1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:09,920 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome to another edition of Cardinal Territory 2 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:14,160 Speaker 1: Jim Hayes with Kyle Gibson and Lancelynn. And if you 3 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: like Cardinal Territory, do us a favor, reach out, hit 4 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: that subscribe button. And here's the thing, Kyle pointed out. 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: If you're already subscribed, tell a friend, tell two friends, 6 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: because we're trying to grow this thing, because we're trying 7 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: to get to seven thousand subscribers. All right, gentlemen, Cardinals 8 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: are out of the blocks at two and one Sunday's game. 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: They fought back. We've seen that, at least from this 10 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: ball club in the first two They came back to win. Yesterday, 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:45,560 Speaker 1: had a lead and gave it away and gave it 12 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,239 Speaker 1: back whatever. But they keep punching back. Kyle does that 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: it's early in the season. But does that tell you 14 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,000 Speaker 1: something about the ball club or too early to tell? 15 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think it tells you about, excuse me, 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 2: their mindset right now, tells you about how they're feeling 17 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 2: right now in the locker room and how their culture 18 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: has started off. You know, I think there's times on 19 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 2: just about every team you feel like you're never out 20 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,199 Speaker 2: of a game. For one week and then you feel 21 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: like you can't win unless you score seven, or you 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 2: can't win unless you give up zero. You know, you 23 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 2: know there there's there's certain ups and downs that go about, 24 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 2: you know, go on through a season. But certainly right now, 25 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: this Cardinals offense is confident and they're not worried about 26 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: being down. They're not worried about a league giving up, 27 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 2: and they fight right back. And as a pitching staff, 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 2: it's a good feeling because I'm sure the bullpen, which 29 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: I think we're going to touch on, you know, they're 30 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,320 Speaker 2: not throwing as well as they'd like. But man, when 31 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 2: when your offense is firing like that really makes up 32 00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:44,119 Speaker 2: for some for some discrepancies on the mound. But there's 33 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 2: gonna be times where the offense goes cold for five 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 2: or six days, and if the bullpen can or a 35 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 2: bullpen and the starters can pick it up, then you 36 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 2: can win three or four of those games where you 37 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: don't score more than you know, twelve runs in those 38 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 2: five games. 39 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 1: Lance, if this is who the Cardinals are and they 40 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: they will get runs, I mean, does that change the 41 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: approach for a starting pitcher. 42 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it gives you the feel that you don't have 43 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 3: to be perfect, right, So every time you go out 44 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 3: you have your job. It's hey, I'm trying to give 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 3: up the least amount of runs as possible. And if 46 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 3: you feel like you go out there and throw up 47 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 3: zeros every time, mistakes seem to happen a little bit more, 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:23,679 Speaker 3: every pitch has a little more emphasis and means a 49 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:25,920 Speaker 3: lot more. But when you're free, knowing, hey, if I 50 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 3: give up one, it's gonna be all right. I'll give 51 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 3: up a couple. They're going to bail me out next thing, 52 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 3: you know, you can make some pitches. You don't have 53 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 3: to be perfect. Like I said, pitch counts stay low, 54 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 3: and then you can get deeper into games, and then hopefully, 55 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: you know, starters can start doing that as a season 56 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 3: goes on, and then the bullpen can find their stride 57 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 3: by putting people in you know, less of the in 58 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 3: the game later and finding their roles where they can 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: tend to sit and not have to do too much 60 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 3: and cover too many ants. 61 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: One of the guys that's hitting right now is three 62 00:02:56,440 --> 00:03:00,160 Speaker 1: games into is a big league career, JJ weatherholding. He's 63 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: already piling up a bunch of first first game first 64 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,799 Speaker 1: hit was a homer. Then they had his first walk 65 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:11,760 Speaker 1: off Kyle to me, and there's that description II uses 66 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: a lot. He is a slow heartbeat, but this is 67 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: a young guy who doesn't seem to be overcome by 68 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: the big moments. 69 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: Well, really cool when you hear talking about his walk 70 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 2: up moment and right before that of Bat and he's like, 71 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 2: you know, I really wasn't thinking about much other than 72 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:27,959 Speaker 2: singing my walkout song. 73 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: You know. 74 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: I think it's just fans probably think there's certain of 75 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 2: those things that we lie about or that really don't matter, 76 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 2: But there's something about that that can relax. You know. 77 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 2: Certain people pick a walk up song to pump you up, 78 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 2: certain people pick a walk up song to pump the 79 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: crowd up maybe, and JJ obviously wants a song that 80 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 2: he can sit there and jam to a little bit, 81 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 2: you know, get a little bit of rhythm and maybe 82 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: find a little happy place. So I just think those 83 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 2: are the cool things that when players are able to 84 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 2: share it at the right time and talk about it, 85 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 2: it adds a little bit to this situation. But yeah, 86 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: it sure seems like for right now that Harpy is 87 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 2: slow and he's able to slow the game down. Now 88 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 2: at some point he's gonna go through a hard time here, 89 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: so let's excuse me. And sometimes he's gonna go through 90 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: a hard part here and face some adversity and hopefully 91 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: he can figure out here in the first few weeks 92 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:20,599 Speaker 2: who he is as a big league player and then 93 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 2: you know, fall back on that when when the slump 94 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:23,800 Speaker 2: or the hard time comes. 95 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: Let's you see a young guy like that who who 96 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,039 Speaker 1: so far, so good, but he looks like it's not 97 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: this third major league game, looks like he's been there. 98 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 1: He's on a young team, so maybe there's not a 99 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: ton of pressure, but being the number one prospect comes 100 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: with pressure. How was he handled it so far? In 101 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: your eyes? What impresses you? 102 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:44,919 Speaker 4: No? 103 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 3: I mean, he's done a good job, right, But we 104 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: have to remember it is three games, so it's gonna 105 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: be there's gonna be a lot of ups and downs. 106 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 3: He knows what he's trying to do, he knows what 107 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: he's about, So that's a good thing, right. I don't 108 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,320 Speaker 3: think he's gonna have to Uh, we're gonna have the 109 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 3: ups and downs of searching who he is is and 110 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 3: what he's trying to accomplish, you know, not only on 111 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 3: the field, but in the dugout and in the clubhouse, 112 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 3: he seems to have that head on his shoulder, So 113 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: I think that's why you're seeing him kind of jump 114 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: in and go. Now, as a year goes on, it's 115 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: going to be, hey, they have the book on you, 116 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:18,800 Speaker 3: you have to learn the book on them, and then 117 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 3: what the counters are going to be as you get 118 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 3: going here. But he seems to, uh, you know, right 119 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 3: out of the gate, have a plan. So that's good. 120 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: It doesn't seem to be too Hey, I'm just kind 121 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: of going up there and and doing whatever. He's got 122 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:38,599 Speaker 3: an idea what he's trying to do offensively and defensively, 123 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 3: seems to have some energy. He seems to know the 124 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,960 Speaker 3: right thing to do. So those are all positives. But 125 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 3: like we said, there's three games in so there's gonna 126 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 3: be some negatives and then, you know, how can we 127 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: understand those negatives when they happen, learn from them, and 128 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,400 Speaker 3: then be better for him as a year goes on, 129 00:05:56,520 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 3: because you know, the talent alone and the head on 130 00:05:59,000 --> 00:06:00,880 Speaker 3: his shoulders has got a chance to be really good. 131 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 3: And then now it's how he's gonna do with deal 132 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 3: with failure and be better for it once he once 133 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 3: they see what is you know, maybe his things that 134 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 3: are are not not ready yet, or you know what 135 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: his weak spots are. All Right, how's he gonna how's 136 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: he gonna hide those? And how's he gonna, you know, 137 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 3: not not go down a rabbit hole when they start 138 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: when they start exploiting them. So it's gonna be an 139 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:24,159 Speaker 3: interesting season, But it is like that for every rookie. 140 00:06:24,240 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: It'll it'll be interesting to see how big league pitchers 141 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 1: adjust to him and try to find out maybe where 142 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: the weak spots are. But I feel like there should 143 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 1: be a giant asterisk on the on the screen because 144 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: we are just three games in. But the show is 145 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: talking about what's going on, and one of the things 146 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: going on, Kyle is Jordan Walker is off to a 147 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: really good start. Three hit Sunday, got his first home run, 148 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 1: just one strikeout over those first three games. Are we 149 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 1: seeing a different version of Jordan Walker at this point 150 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: three games in? 151 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think there's a couple of guys 152 00:06:58,160 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: who you got to be excited about. How the looking 153 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 2: at the plate, you know, to start, and in general, 154 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 2: I feel like April's a little bit slower offensive month. 155 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 2: You know we've talked about on the past previous shows 156 00:07:08,560 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: on that. So to see Walker Gorman as well cutting 157 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:14,720 Speaker 2: down on the strike ups through his first ten play appearances, 158 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 2: Victor Scott really doing well. But yeah, man, I think 159 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 2: Walker making contact and catching the ball at the right 160 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: contact point I think is interesting or am exciting, you know, 161 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:30,800 Speaker 2: interesting to see some of the swing changes he's made 162 00:07:30,840 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 2: and how they're possibly playing into that as well. I 163 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 2: think we all have heard about the hard work that 164 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 2: he's put into this swing and some of the adjustments, 165 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 2: and you just gotta love and you I feel for 166 00:07:42,400 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: a player because this is what I went through in 167 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen when I made major changes. I got off 168 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 2: to the worst start of my career in ten starts 169 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 2: and got sent down. I really get excited when a 170 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 2: guy puts in the hard work, sees some improvement, and 171 00:07:55,240 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: see some results right away, so that you get that 172 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 2: confidence like, Okay, whatever I did, this is where I 173 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: can be and this is this is the new me. 174 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: So as players were always changing, we're always getting better, 175 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: and it really looks like a couple of the guys 176 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 2: that went into the offseason trying to make adjustments feel 177 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: really good about him right now. 178 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: Now, The question is how does Jordan Walker, whatever's working 179 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: now hold on to it. When he went down last 180 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: year to double A came up, then he seemed to 181 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 1: have found it, then he kind of regressed. Isn't that 182 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: one of the skills that these guys have to learn 183 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 1: is how to, as you guys say, maintain when things 184 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 1: aren't going your way, follow the process. Is that a 185 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 1: difficult thing, lance. 186 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially if if it starts not working and you 187 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 3: and you aren't totally bought into it, right. I think 188 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 3: last year at times it was working and then it wasn't, 189 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 3: so he would fall back to some old habits. So 190 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 3: hopefully these new things that he did in the offseason, 191 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 3: kind of the trial airon spring training has him ready 192 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: to go to understand what he's got to do daily, 193 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,679 Speaker 3: week in and week out in the big leagues to 194 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 3: be able to you know, have it happened for one 195 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: hundred and sixty two games. So hopefully the last year's 196 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 3: back and forth kind of going in between and this 197 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: year you can kind of have a true plan, true 198 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,960 Speaker 3: daily you know, routine, true you know cage work and 199 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,680 Speaker 3: all that, because a lot of that stuff goes a 200 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:18,319 Speaker 3: long way and then when you go through your little downtimes, 201 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: it's not oh, well it's not working because it's new 202 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: or this and that. It's like, no, this is my process, 203 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: here's how I'm going to get through it. I think 204 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: a lot of times these young hitters, when they start 205 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 3: like having failure, they don't realize that they're not swinging 206 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,080 Speaker 3: at balls in their zone and there in the in 207 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: the counts that they want to be in. There they 208 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 3: are getting outside of the strike zone. There's a lot 209 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 3: of different things that go into it, and they go 210 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: straight to, oh, my swing's not right. It's like, no, 211 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: you're chasing, you're not getting in good counts, You're you know, 212 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: you're in between because you're you're thinking too much. So 213 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: simplify the process. Know your daily routine, get it ready, 214 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: and then know what the pitcher is trying to do 215 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 3: to you, and then make the adjustments as you go. 216 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:59,719 Speaker 3: But this whole thing, with this whole lineup is a 217 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 3: lot of these guys know what they're trying to do. 218 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:02,959 Speaker 3: The question is are they going to be able to 219 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: keep doing what they're trying to do when when pictures 220 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 3: make adjustments to what they're trying to do and then 221 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 3: not coming out of things and not giving into what 222 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 3: the picture's doing. So that's gonna be the back and 223 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 3: forth as this season goes on, because these guys are talented, 224 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 3: But hey, how am I going to know my zone 225 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 3: what I'm trying to do and not let the picture 226 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:23,120 Speaker 3: get me out of my thing just because I feel 227 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 3: like I have to go get it. It's like, no, 228 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 3: be patient, let it come to you and and do 229 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 3: your things you need to do. And I think by 230 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 3: not trying to hit home runs will help them not 231 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 3: come out of their their zones. Just hit the have 232 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 3: hard contact, try to hit doubles and the home runs 233 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 3: will come, and don't strike out. I think that will 234 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 3: help them as a year goes on. 235 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: Kyle is here, right if I ask a follow up 236 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,959 Speaker 1: to Lance and it has nothing to do with what. 237 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 2: He yeah, I mean, don't let it happen too often, 238 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: because I mean, if you don't need me on the show, 239 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:53,839 Speaker 2: I won't show up. But no, I mean just that's fine. 240 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: Back and forth that having to so Lance, I've been getting. 241 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,640 Speaker 2: I'll just take a drink of coffee. I'll I'll just 242 00:10:58,679 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 2: take a drink coffee. 243 00:10:59,360 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 4: I'll be here. 244 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: I got some tweets about the beard. Folks want to know, 245 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: and I think I saw it on the on the 246 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: feed for our for on YouTube. Are you gonna let 247 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: the grow the beard grow out fully? They some folks 248 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: would like to see that, or at some point are 249 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 1: you gonna trend it? What's going on with the beard? 250 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: I mean, how full do you need it to grow out? 251 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: In all lot of. 252 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 3: That's pretty much it. If I go in, I mean 253 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 3: you're gonna go down here. No, I don't like the 254 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 3: beard like laying on your chest when you're when you're 255 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: sleeping at night. So this is about as about as 256 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,959 Speaker 3: long as it's you get. I'm probably gonna take it 257 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,560 Speaker 3: up on the side this weekend. Maybe I'm gonna go 258 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 3: to my summer mullet. Maybe Kenny Powers. So I'm gonna 259 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:44,559 Speaker 3: look majestic as a motherfucker on a jet ski this summer. 260 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: Ah, there it is. 261 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 2: Are we gonna fade this up? Is it gonna be? 262 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: We're gonna We're gonna fade it for my hero. 263 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: Get the bullet going. We're gonna get the mullet going. Oh, 264 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: just Kenny Power. So I'm not even just American flag 265 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 3: it just holding it across the right across. 266 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would I would love to see I would 267 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: love to see the beard on the guy on the 268 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 2: YouTube chat who wanted to know if you were going 269 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:10,000 Speaker 2: to let it get full. I would love to see 270 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: the beard on that guy, right. I love the follow 271 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: up question. What's the follow up question on my facial hair? 272 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 3: Have you had any? 273 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: No? But I do have a follow up to what 274 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,040 Speaker 1: you were saying. And since we're off track, I might 275 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: as well just run the bus right off the road. 276 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned your first big league start and getting hit around. 277 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: My kid made his varsity debut this week and got 278 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: the snot what do I tell him? 279 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,960 Speaker 2: Well, I don't want to I don't want to correct 280 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: you here, but you're talking about my first opening day 281 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 2: start I got from my first big league start, I 282 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:51,160 Speaker 2: got to win against Cans, Royals and and through really well. 283 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 2: But that's that's fine. Just well, I just want to clarify. 284 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: What do you what do you say to him? Well, 285 00:12:58,840 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 2: I would ask you this question when you played sports 286 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:07,480 Speaker 2: or when you did something as how old is he sixteen? 287 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: Seventeen, sixteen? 288 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: All right, what would you want your coach or your 289 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,480 Speaker 2: dad to tell you at the age of sixteen? After 290 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: you had a bad one. That's what I would ask 291 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,400 Speaker 2: you and think about that and go to him with 292 00:13:21,400 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: that comment. But he's going to have another start. Hopefully, 293 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 2: he's going to get a play again here. And that's 294 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: what I would hammer home. It's like, hey, you got 295 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: a twenty five thirty game season here, and you're going 296 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 2: to get six or seven more starts, so be ready 297 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 2: for the next one. And Mama said, there's gonna be 298 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 2: days like this. I think that's the old one. 299 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,440 Speaker 1: He came out of the pen and he got knocked around. 300 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: My dad used to tell me work hard. That was 301 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:49,800 Speaker 1: his answer for everything. Hey, Dad, I think man, work hard. 302 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 1: Let's talk. Let's talk. Let's talk cardinal pitching lance. We've 303 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: seen three starts, right, let's be very good. McGreevy really good, 304 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: no hit ball for six innings, then may not so good. 305 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 1: Probably not the kind of start to his cardinal career 306 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: that he wanted. How tricky is the first start of 307 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: the season for starters? 308 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 3: You know, everybody's a little different, right, Some guys are 309 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 3: are locked in a little bit different. Some guys it 310 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 3: takes them with some flow. So here's what I've got 311 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 3: on the way. The first three starts when I think 312 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 3: you're looking at Libby new his catcher and comfortable with McGreevy, 313 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 3: new his catcher's comfort with May's gonna get a rhythm 314 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 3: with catcher the catcher, and then they're gonna start figuring 315 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 3: out what he likes to do. That's like a in 316 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 3: spring training, you don't game plan like you do in 317 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 3: the regular season. McGreevy and Libby have been in the organization, 318 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: they have all that, and I think May's first start 319 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,920 Speaker 3: was like a, hey, now we can figure out our 320 00:14:53,960 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 3: way to work together, our flow for game planning, catching, 321 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 3: pitch calling, all of the thing. And that comes with 322 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,680 Speaker 3: the process. When you're first with an organization, everyone's gonna say, oh, well, 323 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 3: that's what spring training's for. But in spring training, you 324 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: you know, I think a couple of times in spring 325 00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 3: training I didn't throw to the my starting catcher until 326 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 3: like the last start of spring training. So you're when 327 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 3: you have multiple catchers in spring training, multiple things like that, 328 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: you don't always get the work you need to, especially 329 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 3: in game planning and like feel and pitch calling. So 330 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: I think what we saw is two starters that knew 331 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: the program and knew the catchers well and knew Dusty well. 332 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: And then a start where maybe not on this a game, 333 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 3: maybe we're you know, we're we're learning the process of 334 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: what our game planning and our game preparation and our 335 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 3: game pitch calling is going to be and that comes 336 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 3: with the territory. 337 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: What about for you, Kyle, Like, were you unsure exactly 338 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 1: how it was going to go? Or you pretty locked 339 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: in for that first start because of all the things 340 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: Lance mentioned. 341 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 2: I was just trying to find it. But I'm pretty 342 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: sure my first two starts or three starts with the Cardinals, 343 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: I give them like ten percent of my season runs 344 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: in the first six innings. I mean, just every now 345 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 2: and then, you just have a couple of bad games, 346 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:07,920 Speaker 2: you know. I think the Marlins put up six or 347 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 2: seven in the first three innings. I don't remember who 348 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:14,840 Speaker 2: the first start was against, but I'm the Padres maybe, 349 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 2: But yeah, every now and then you just have a 350 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 2: couple of rough ones early. And I think Lanspick's a 351 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: good point. You know, game planning in the season is 352 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,359 Speaker 2: a whole lot different than game planning in spring. And 353 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 2: I look to Destin may to be fine, but also 354 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 2: just as good as Libby and McGreevy were we can't 355 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 2: also expect every start to go the same way. If 356 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 2: they did, the Cardinals are gonna win the division. It's 357 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,760 Speaker 2: gonna be great, you know. And Sunday games, This is 358 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: not an excuse for anybody. Sunday games, third game of 359 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,160 Speaker 2: a series. You've already won the first two. The other 360 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: team is scrapping, trying to make sure they have a 361 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 2: happy flight. You got a really good lineup over there. 362 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 2: That is a scrappy lineup. They got shut down the 363 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: first couple of days early in the season. Early in 364 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 2: the series I'm guessing Cash and those guys were saying, hey, 365 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 2: let's get on the board early, and let's get after 366 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 2: May here and say kind of set the tone for 367 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: the game, so nobody wants to get swept the first 368 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 2: series of the year and just kind of one of 369 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 2: those weird Sunday getaway games. 370 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 1: Probably Klea he set to make his first start since 371 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: he was a minor leaguer. We'll talk about that after 372 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: the break. You're watching Cardinal Territory on the Foul Territory Network. 373 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 4: This episode is brought to you by Fox One. 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He has six pitches predominantly fastball, 394 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 1: suited to start, but he hadn't started since I think 395 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three when he was with Memphis. He wanted 396 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: to start. He's going to get his opportunity. Kyle, what 397 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: do you think about Leahy? 398 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 2: I think his stuff is nasty. Just like you said, 399 00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 2: I think he sets up well to be a starter 400 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: for his team and really looking forward to seeing how 401 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 2: he runs with this opportunity. You know, there's a time 402 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,639 Speaker 2: in everybody's career. I feel like as a pitcher, the 403 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 2: ones that have been bounced to the bullpenning back bolt 404 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 2: bullpen backs starting is you just want to have one, 405 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 2: and you want to pick one and go with it 406 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 2: and say this is what I'm gonna be. I'm gonna 407 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 2: sink or swim just like this. So I'm glad he's 408 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,360 Speaker 2: getting the opportunity. He really earned it after last year 409 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 2: and another good series for the Cardinals here. I mean, 410 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 2: I know it's early, three games, but you know these 411 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 2: early games really can kind of set the tone for 412 00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 2: the rest of the year, kind of give the team 413 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 2: some confidence and see how they can succeed against good teams. 414 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: And you know, here we are the Mets coming in town, 415 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 2: and this is a big three games here. If we 416 00:19:31,160 --> 00:19:33,560 Speaker 2: can see him win the first couple of series of 417 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,959 Speaker 2: the year, and I think it's a really big confidence builder. 418 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: What about Leahy To me, he's old school because he's like, 419 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: any time they want me to have the ball, I'm 420 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: taking it like he's not, oh I'm tired, or you know, 421 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,359 Speaker 1: I pitched two in a row. You know him a 422 00:19:48,359 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: little bit lance, is he? I mean he seems to 423 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: be that old school type pitcher to me. Yeah. 424 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:57,679 Speaker 3: No, when we were with him, you know, he was 425 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 3: trying to make sure that he was a major leaguer, 426 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 3: put in the time and the work. I think in 427 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 3: the off season before he got taken off the roster, 428 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 3: no one picked him up. So you're seeing a guy 429 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: that you know takes failure well because he turns it 430 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 3: into hey, what he's turning himself into now right? And 431 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: then he's seeing what he's able to do out of 432 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,920 Speaker 3: the bullpen multiple innings with his arsenal now being able 433 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: to take that to the rotation, it's going to be 434 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 3: I think it's gonna be fun for him. I think 435 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: there's going to be some interesting moves that he's going 436 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 3: to have to make with you pitch usage, how he's 437 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 3: going to you know, show certain things and not show 438 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 3: certain things. Because as a reliever you can come in 439 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: and just kind of do everything. As a starter, he's 440 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,359 Speaker 3: going to have to pick and choose, you know, different 441 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 3: pitches to protect and use on different sides of the 442 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: play throughout the game. But he's got the ability to 443 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 3: do all that and he's not afraid. Right the old 444 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 3: school mentality is Hey, I'll take the ball if you 445 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 3: give it to me, because I don't want to go down. 446 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 3: That was his mindset. Now it's hey, give me the ball. 447 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 3: I don't want to go back to the bullpen. So 448 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 3: I think he's going to keep that same mindset as Hey, 449 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:02,240 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go get as many hitters out as I 450 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 3: can for as long as they're going to let me, 451 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 3: and I'm gonna try to do everything I can because 452 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: this is what I want to do and I know 453 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,760 Speaker 3: I'm capable of doing it. So I think that's the 454 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 3: main thing with him. He knows what he's about, he 455 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 3: knows what he can do, he knows that he's a 456 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: big leaguer, and then now he just wants the opportunity, 457 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 3: keeps showing people, and I think he's got all the 458 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:21,440 Speaker 3: tools to do it, and I'm looking for him how 459 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 3: he I'm looking to see how he incorporates all of 460 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 3: his pitches and to each side of the plate, different 461 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: hitters with their with their weaknesses, his strength. So that's 462 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 3: going to be the cat and mouse that he gets 463 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 3: to do now, and it's gonna be fun because he's 464 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 3: very smart too and everything he does, so I'm excited 465 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: to see what he's got. 466 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 1: And I mean it's a huge adjustment for anyone that's 467 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 1: had even success out of the bullpen. And he knows that. 468 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: He talked about having to build up his endurance during spring. 469 00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:50,480 Speaker 1: But also you guys know this because you are two 470 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 1: old school pitchers. Is knowing that you can't show all 471 00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 1: your stuff early and also saving something for the for 472 00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: the middle innings. That's like night and day when you're 473 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: in a leverage situation in the bullpen, isn't it. 474 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 2: Well, I mean, what a beauty, What a beauty to 475 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: have five pitches that you can do that with. You know, 476 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: it's a I think that's the one thing that you know, 477 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 2: made Lance so much fun to watch pitches. You know, 478 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:18,120 Speaker 2: he wouldn't throw a slider or curveball until the third 479 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,440 Speaker 2: or fourth inning, but he used three different fastballs and 480 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: and the hitter just wasn't sure which way I was 481 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: gonna go, And then all of a sudden, now he's 482 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,120 Speaker 2: got his off speedback. You know. I think that's something 483 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 2: that Pedro Ravon is gonna be really low. Aposo who's 484 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,679 Speaker 2: ever back there? But I mean I haven't seen a lineup, 485 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: but I would look for Pedro to really kind of 486 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 2: help him get through the first and the second time 487 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 2: through the order, using you know, three of the five 488 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,399 Speaker 2: of the six pitches unless he gets into trouble, and 489 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 2: then figuring when to incorporate h you know, those last 490 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: couple in assuming he can get you know, through that 491 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 2: second time and still throwing the ball well and get 492 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 2: a chance at the third time. So it's something that 493 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,439 Speaker 2: you learn and and I'm sure those guys will be 494 00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 2: prepared to do it. 495 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: Also. The stress the bullpen so far, Lance hasn't been great. 496 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: Some new faces in there, but it's early and if 497 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: you look at Roycroft, what's happened to him? I mean 498 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: he was danked and dunked all over the place, a 499 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 1: lot of soft contact. But that can happen early in 500 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: the season, right, especially when you have younger pitchers or 501 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: guys new to an organization. So far, the bullpen hasn't 502 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: been good. 503 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: Lance, No, bullpen hasn't been good, but they've not been 504 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,080 Speaker 3: put in the situations that they hopefully will be put 505 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 3: into as the year goes on and you're getting a 506 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 3: rhythm early in the season, you know there's gonna be 507 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 3: times where well, here's the truth of the matter. A 508 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 3: lot of those guys it's their first opening day, first 509 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: opening series of their career. They've been either called up 510 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 3: in the middle of the year or or not have 511 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 3: been on an open day roster. So there's some jitters there. 512 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:50,280 Speaker 3: You gotta find your rhythm as the year goes on, 513 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,199 Speaker 3: kind of where you spot in if you're gonna be 514 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 3: the guy that gets us out of the sixth seventh 515 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,640 Speaker 3: inning fireman, or you gonna be a leverage guy. There's 516 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 3: a lot of different things that are are kind of 517 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 3: crazy the first, you know, week or two of the season, 518 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,880 Speaker 3: and then once you find roles, the starters start going, 519 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 3: you know, ninety five to one hundred pitches where you 520 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 3: know they're gonna get through hopefully the sixth and. 521 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: Then everything kind of calms down. 522 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 3: But in the beginning of the season, that's usually what 523 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,440 Speaker 3: you see. I mean, you're seeing it all over the 524 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 3: place with guys giving up runs and stuff like that. 525 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:20,120 Speaker 1: Is the bullpen. 526 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 3: Early one gets abused because it gets out there early 527 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 3: and gets put in situations it might not be put 528 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 3: in as a year goes on. So the bullpen, I mean, 529 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 3: I've seen it a lot of times where a guy 530 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 3: has a twenty and to start the year and then 531 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:35,719 Speaker 3: ends the year with a sub three and everyone's like, oh, 532 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 3: what happened. It's like, you just find a rhythm spring training. 533 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,119 Speaker 3: You know when you're gonna pitch, you know what inning 534 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: and this and that, and then it speeds up a 535 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 3: little bit on you right when the scene starts. So 536 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,120 Speaker 3: now they need to need to say, hey, first series over, 537 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 3: take a deep breath. Everything's new here we go. 538 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: All right, We've covered the Cardinals, We've covered Lance's beer, 539 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: Kyle has given me some parental advice on how to 540 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: handle my son and his blow up in his varsity debut. 541 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: We've covered it all, gentlemen. Good job. That's going to 542 00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory. We'll see 543 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,960 Speaker 1: you for the next episode. Hopefully that one won't suck.