WEBVTT - A Family Torn 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:03.920 The cheerleaders at a gym in Buffalo have been recording 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:09.240 themselves to make a new documentary where the news reporters 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:13.160 because one year ago a mass shooting changed their lives. 0:00:13.200 --> 0:00:15.400 He just walked around shot all the black people. The 0:00:15.480 --> 0:00:18.440 cheer squad, most of whom are black, had to figure 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:21.160 out how to go on and how to compete. I 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:23.840 wanted to win for them more than anything this season. 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:28.640 Listen to the embedded podcast from NPR within the iHeartRadio app, 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:32.720 or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carol Fisher and 0:00:32.760 --> 0:00:36.800 I'm hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends. It's Las Vegas, 0:00:36.960 --> 0:00:40.200 it's the nineteen nineties, and it is time to find 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:44.560 a husband. There were four Jewish doctors who were felt 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:48.040 to be eligible bachelors. One of them was of the 0:00:48.640 --> 0:00:53.239 Baron bat On paper he was perfect, but in reality, 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:58.080 this guy's a wacko. He shouted to the point went unconscious. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.560 I would call him and I would say, I know 0:01:00.600 --> 0:01:03.480 you killed my sister. You can listen to The Girlfriends 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:07.680 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.919 your podcasts. This is the story of a man who's 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:15.280 fascinated me. His name was Sweet Daddy Grace, and that's 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:18.600 a name you don't forget. 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Listen to the Acadienstry 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:07.120 Show on the iHeart Radio app, Apple podcast or whenever 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:13.480 you get to your podcast. Much of today's testimony was 0:02:13.520 --> 0:02:17.560 about the rocky relationship between Hannah Roden and Jake Wagner. 0:02:17.960 --> 0:02:22.440 The two had dated and they also had a daughter together. Okay, 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:26.280 miss Many, can you tell us who she was afraid of? 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:31.920 The Wagner family. You know this was an abusive relationship 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:36.840 between Hannahme and Jake. She talked about Jake chasing her 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:42.040 down in a vehicle one time. Even though George Wagner 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:44.800 is the one on trial here, all of this testimony 0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:48.720 about Jake is relevant because prosecutors say a custody battle 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.720 over is the reason four members of the Wagner family 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:55.240 murdered eight members of the Roden family. One of the 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.120 defense lawyers told the Jersey, every time you hear the 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.040 Wagner keep in mind that George Wagner is the only 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:12.040 one on trial here. This is the Piked and Massacre. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:17.640 Return to Pike County Season four, Episode eight, A family 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:23.320 Torn m Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios, 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.800 with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane in the middle of 0:03:26.840 --> 0:03:30.200 George Wagner, the fourth's trial. A typical Ohio fall has 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:33.040 settled on Piked In. The wind is picked up and 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:36.680 temperatures are dropping into the thirties. But unlike the vibrant 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:39.480 autumn leaves springing up all around the Pike County Courthouse 0:03:39.520 --> 0:03:42.840 in Waverley, Ohio, the mood in the courtroom is dark. 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:47.600 In the biggest murder investigation in Ohio's history. Jake Wagner's 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:50.960 older brother, George the Fourth, stares down eight counts of 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:56.520 aggravated murder with death penalty specifications. It's important to note 0:03:56.560 --> 0:03:59.960 that George Wagner the Fourth, currently on trial, has pleaded 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.480 not guilty and has maintained he did not kill anyone. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:07.960 His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also 0:04:08.000 --> 0:04:12.920 pleaded not guilty to all charges. This episode contains frequent 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:15.880 mentions of the names of the children impacted by this crime. 0:04:16.320 --> 0:04:20.480 We will continue to avoid exposing their identities. Here's Judge 0:04:20.520 --> 0:04:23.960 Randy Deering. Now there's a state ready to proceeded to 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:28.920 stop right, is the defense ready? All the state may 0:04:28.960 --> 0:04:32.839 call him on the witness. Of course, this entire trial 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:37.040 has been gut wrenching, but today's testimony was also deeply 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.640 emotional as Prosecutor Angie Kineppa called friends and family of 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:46.480 the Rodents to the stand. These relatives and friends were 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.880 forced to relive the day the Rodents had been murdered, 0:04:49.760 --> 0:04:52.039 where they were, when they found out whom they were with, 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:57.360 and how they handled the harrowing news the state. April. 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:04.480 The first witness was April Manly, the wife of James Manly, 0:05:04.640 --> 0:05:09.200 Dana Roden's brother. April was Hanname's aunt and extremely close 0:05:09.240 --> 0:05:12.039 to her. She has long blonde hair and wears a 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:16.480 rose colored Vnex sweater on the stand. Intermittently, April wipes 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.600 tears from her eyes. She lives less than a mile 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.560 to the east of Dana Roden's home. On the morning 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:25.120 of the murders, April said she rode in the ambulance 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:29.080 to Adams County Regional Medical Center with Hanname's newborn baby, 0:05:29.600 --> 0:05:33.440 her child with Charlie Gillie. The four day old was unharmed. 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.480 Fighting back tears, April said her husband, James knew something 0:05:37.560 --> 0:05:40.520 was wrong when outside the road and home he heard 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:45.680 Hanname's infant crying NonStop. They knew Hanname would not let 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:49.200 her baby cry like that. So your husband comes back 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:53.760 and tells you that that he believes DNA is dead. Yes, 0:05:55.200 --> 0:05:57.960 what do you do? As result of that? I went 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:02.640 with you. Master Dad's was an emotional wret. I didn't 0:06:02.680 --> 0:06:07.279 want him to be alike. Did he tell you anything 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:16.120 about at that time? Jameses, Yeah, they'd hurt cry. Anna 0:06:16.279 --> 0:06:20.080 d wouldn't walked back here. He knew what kinda mother. 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:27.600 Hannah wasn't she wouldn't be currently okay, So he was 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:32.000 concerned because he felt Hannah would have been tending to 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:38.360 the baby. Yes. Then at the hospital, April had what 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:43.040 she described as an unsettling encounter with Jake. According to April, 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:47.520 Jake seemed apathetic about hannahme Rodin's death. He seemed more 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.000 concerned with taking custody of her newborn child, who we 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:57.760 would come to learn was not even his. And while 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:01.760 you were there, did anybody else show up to the hospital? 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.520 I got recall who all? But I knew when there 0:07:04.600 --> 0:07:06.640 was a couple of my nieces and nephews there and 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.400 a cousin of mine. And then eventually at the end, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:15.240 Jake showed up, Jake Wagner. Okay, And where were you 0:07:15.360 --> 0:07:20.040 when Jake Wagner showed up? I was outside? Okay? And 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.880 can you tell us how that interaction went? He was motionless? 0:07:25.520 --> 0:07:28.360 That makes sense to he did? I cried, and I like, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:34.680 he wasn't worried about nothing. Wasn't someone that bought, had 0:07:34.720 --> 0:07:37.560 just lost someone that claimed to love, So he was 0:07:37.640 --> 0:07:41.760 not showing emotion in that time. Okay, why was he there? 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.680 He came to checking to see if he could take her. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.120 Did you inform him that he could not take her? Yes? Okay? 0:07:53.160 --> 0:08:00.400 And did he hug you at all while he was there? Yes. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.400 April then commented that she wondered whether Jake had Hannah's 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:11.680 blood on him when he was embracing her. Jake was 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:15.440 extremely controlling over Hannah me Rodin, April said, and had 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:19.920 negatively shaped her body image. He was very controlling over Hannah, 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.320 like we wasn't allowed to text check her treat and 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:28.000 even knows Hannah's week. Hannah was always a chunky little monkey, 0:08:28.560 --> 0:08:31.600 and she had got down so tiny because he would 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:33.360 tell her that she was fat and tell her not 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:37.199 to eat. Did Hannah ever tell you that she was 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:42.439 scared yes, of Jake? Yes? And did she indicate that 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:48.160 she was afraid of Jake and his family? Yes? Okay? 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:55.240 And can you tell us what she was afraid of? 0:09:02.000 --> 0:09:04.720 The defense objects to this line of questioning, and Judge 0:09:04.800 --> 0:09:09.559 Daring sustains the objection. According to April, Jake also physically 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.000 threatened Hannah on multiple occasions, even engaging her in a 0:09:13.120 --> 0:09:17.839 dangerous high speed chase. And can you tell us you 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.440 indicated Jake Wagner was the one who would be around 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.200 the most because of Hannah, and then he would sometimes 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:25.880 be up at that residence that Frankie and Hazel were 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:28.920 found in, when Dana and Hannah and little Chris lived there. 0:09:29.640 --> 0:09:33.360 Can you tell us what your interactions would have been 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.400 with him? We didn't interact. I didn't like him. He 0:09:37.440 --> 0:09:42.240 didn't like me, Okay, Why not because he thought I 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.760 was noisy and needed just stay in my place because 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:49.040 I would defend Hannah, Okay. And how do you know 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:52.040 that he felt that way? Because I was at my 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:57.360 house one evening and Ned got into it and Hannah'd left. 0:09:57.400 --> 0:09:59.199 She had just got a driver's license, she was a 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:03.080 new driver, and she called me. He'd left after her, 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.840 and she called me and said he was chasing her 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.760 around at high speeds, and I told her to try 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:11.319 to get away somewhere, and she got finally got away 0:10:11.360 --> 0:10:13.560 from him and hid behind a church on Union Hill, 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.760 and I called her mom, and her mom caught her dad, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.079 and then I called Hannah back and stayed home with her. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:24.920 That's so Chris Scott to her. April commented that it 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:29.040 wasn't only Jake she found scary. Hannah was also fearful 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:31.719 of Billy Wagner, who usually walked around with a gun 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:36.439 holster to his side. April also described the disturbing experience 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.959 of seeing the Wagners at the Rodents funerals. Did you 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:44.480 see Billy Wagner there at the funeral? Yes? Did you 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.560 observe any injuries on him at that time? He had 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.400 bruisine only his face. And what about Jake Wagner did 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:56.240 you see him at the funerals? Yes? Okay? Emotional and raw, 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:59.320 April Manley was an effective witness for Angie Caneppa's team, 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:04.200 offering deeper insight into Jake's depravity. Here's Long Crime Network 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:08.120 reporter a Jeanette Levy. She's been following the case for years. 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.400 I think April Manly provided some really good testimony for 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.920 the prosecution. She talked about how you know this was 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:23.440 an abusive relationship between hannahme and Jake. She talked about 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.719 how the Wagner's Billy, George, and Jake attended the funerals 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:32.280 of the road and family members. I mean, that's pretty 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:36.600 stunning to think that somebody who was part of killing 0:11:36.720 --> 0:11:39.600 your family members showed up at the funerals with their 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.440 family members who were also accused. Now Billy and George 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:46.160 maintained they didn't do this. They've pleaded not guilty. But 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:49.800 just the fact that we actually have photographs and video 0:11:50.160 --> 0:11:53.079 of Jake and George and Billy at the funerals is 0:11:53.120 --> 0:11:57.439 pretty stunning. It's very eerie. But April manly provided some 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:07.800 testimony that was very damaging to Jake Wagner. It should 0:12:07.840 --> 0:12:10.720 be pointed out that none of an April's testimony incriminates 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:12.920 George the fourth or puts him at the crime scene, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:16.480 nor does it indicate that George Wagner had any motive 0:12:16.559 --> 0:12:19.199 to carry out his brother's grudge against Hannah may Roden. 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.320 But according to Ohio based criminal defense attorney and legal 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.839 analyst Mike Allen, Kneppa is trying to weave a larger 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:29.760 narrative about the Wagners as a family unit that did 0:12:29.840 --> 0:12:36.679 everything together, including murder. One of the defense lawyers, in 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:41.280 his opening statement, was very very short, told the jurors 0:12:41.320 --> 0:12:45.600 that every time you hear the Wagners, you know, keep 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.599 in mind that George Wagner is the only one on 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.959 trial here, and you know, we don't know what went 0:12:52.040 --> 0:12:55.000 on in chambers. When the judge talks from the prosecutor 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:58.560 and defense counsel. I mean, perhaps the judge told all 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.600 the prosecutor, hey, you know, you're getting a little bit 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:03.839 of field on some of these witnesses. You're going to 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.600 have to narrow it down. That happens all the time. 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.760 But it sure seems though, like he had pretty much 0:13:09.880 --> 0:13:13.560 free reign to tell the tale of the Wagner family, 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.400 even if what the witnesses were saying was not particularly 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.920 relevant to George. A lot of testimony came in that 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.120 was not relevant to George. As a matter of fact, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.480 I'd go as far as to say most of it. 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.360 But again, she's telling the story. The judge was letting 0:13:32.400 --> 0:13:34.720 her do it. I would have done the same thing 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:39.120 if I was prosecuting the case. Judges will permit prosecutors 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:43.000 to do things like this, telling the tale and setting 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.439 it up like that, But at some point, if it 0:13:45.559 --> 0:13:48.640 gets to be too much, the judge can step in. 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.920 But he didn't feel it appropriate to do that. And 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:55.000 you know, again, I think it was the prosecutor's desire 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:59.400 to just weave the tale about how awful this family was. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:04.800 Another part of the prosecution strategy is to maintain constant 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:10.520 sympathy for the victims. Obviously, the prosecutor wants to create 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.599 as much sympathy for the victims that she can, and 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:16.760 from what I understand, she has been able to do that. 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.880 You know, the roads are obviously their family members were 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:23.840 brutally murdered and they want to be there. And it 0:14:23.960 --> 0:14:27.600 helps the state too with the jury because again I 0:14:27.720 --> 0:14:31.320 think there was a motion shown at the appropriate time, 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:36.920 so it helps the state. Were the Wagners, including George, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:40.120 the tight knit clan they appeared to be, did they 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.800 always take action as a unit following what's known in 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:47.920 the Appalachian fringe as the Code of the Hills. So far, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.400 the prosecution may have fallen short of proving that. Here 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:56.320 again internet Jake's daughter. Custody of his daughter is really 0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.920 what the prosecution says was the motive in this case, 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.920 and they say it's a conspiracy and that four people 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:04.680 were involved in the conspiracy. So a lot of the 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:09.000 testimony seems to point more to Jake, and we hear 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.360 way more about Jake and Angela Wagner than we do 0:15:13.640 --> 0:15:18.400 about George. So George seems like in some ways to 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:21.560 not be that much of a fixture or a feature 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:24.040 in his own murder trial. At a lot of points 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:27.560 when we're listening to some of this testimony, it seems strange. 0:15:28.000 --> 0:15:30.160 It's not the first time I've covered a trial where 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.520 it seems like you don't hear that much about the defendant. 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.440 When I've seen this happen in the past, it's always 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.680 been a case that involved more than one defendant, right. 0:15:40.360 --> 0:15:44.040 I mean, Jake Wagner is really the main player in 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.680 this case. And Jake Wagner, of course pleaded guilty and 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:51.440 admitted it said that this is why the family carried 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:55.720 out these crimes. But if you're George Wagner's defense attorneys, 0:15:55.840 --> 0:15:57.920 I would think you'd be thinking, you know what, my 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:01.040 guy's name hasn't been mentioned very often up to this point, 0:16:01.160 --> 0:16:04.040 so I'd be trying to exploit that as much as 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:06.720 I could, because it's all been about Jake and Hannah 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.920 may Or, about Angela and Hannah may Or, Angela and 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:14.360 Jake and the child. It hasn't really been that much 0:16:14.400 --> 0:16:19.640 about George. We're going to take a break. We'll be 0:16:19.720 --> 0:16:25.440 back in a moment. Oh. I'm Carol Fisher and I'm 0:16:25.480 --> 0:16:29.000 hosting a podcast called The Girlfriends Back in the nineteen 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:31.880 nineties in Las Vegas, A few of us dated the 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:37.880 most eligible bachelor in town, Bob. He spoke several languages, 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:43.120 he did medical missionary work, and he was Jewish. He 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:47.720 was perfect on paper, but he wasn't. He really wasn't. 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:52.360 He shouted into the point she went unconscious. Bob could 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.280 lie about anything, but only takes the one time when 0:16:56.520 --> 0:17:00.440 somebody ends up dead. Unfortunately for Bob, us girl friends 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:02.960 know how to fight back. I wanted him to pay 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.080 for his crime. He needed to be put to justice. 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:07.879 I'll be honest with you. If I saw him right now, 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.159 I'd spit on him. I would call him and I 0:17:10.240 --> 0:17:13.040 would say, I know you killed my sister. I will 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:16.080 always hound you and haunt you. You can listen to 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:20.280 the girl Friends on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:25.240 wherever you get your podcasts from iHeart podcasts. Whitney Hill 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.760 is going on here. Everyone has their limits. I'd never 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:31.200 confronted a situation like this. I just thought it was 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:34.679 just a really terrible immoral thing, a line they won't cross. 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:38.359 I was stunned, and I just said, no, we're killing people. 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.560 You may never have to face that decision. When you 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.320 find yourself at that line. It's ricin ORNs ricin and 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.040 somebody needs to just for once give everybody the whole truth, 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.639 like this is evil and the only person who can 0:17:53.720 --> 0:17:56.960 sound the alarm is you. I wasn't just going to 0:17:57.040 --> 0:18:02.600 sit silently. 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We're just trying to 0:20:07.119 --> 0:20:10.359 get bought. I think I was just freaking out because 0:20:10.800 --> 0:20:14.240 I'm scared by connecting with each other. I'm going to 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:19.840 be a father. Yes? Are you feeling this? A fiction podcast? 0:20:19.920 --> 0:20:23.720 Mixtape about love? Listen to it on the iHeartRadio app, 0:20:24.040 --> 0:20:35.240 Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. April Manley's 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:39.480 son Cody also takes the stand. He's got short blonde 0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:42.480 hair and glasses and wears a blue checkered button down shirt. 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:48.479 He is very composed. Please tell me if I am 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:52.960 correct about this. Your testimony is that you saw George 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:58.560 Wagner a few times at Chris's fireworks correct, yes, okay, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:04.080 And that you knew him enough to recognize him correct correct, okay. 0:21:04.440 --> 0:21:06.159 And in addition to that, you saw him at the 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:10.520 funeral correct okay. Do you recognize him in the courtroom 0:21:10.600 --> 0:21:14.120 here today? Yes? And can you please tell us where 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.240 he is sitting in what he is wearing over there? 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:21.800 And at vest and white shirt and black hie. Cody 0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.879 and Frankie Rodin were best friends. Frankie lived down the 0:21:24.960 --> 0:21:27.120 road from Cody and rode with him every day to work. 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.760 On the morning of April twenty second, Frankie didn't show 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:33.840 up at Cody's house like he usually did, so Cody 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.960 drove over to the Rodens to see what was going on. 0:21:37.040 --> 0:21:39.520 Cody described arriving at the scene of the murders and 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.359 seeing his aunt Bobby Joe Manley's car along with the 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:46.200 police officer's car. He then walked into the scene of 0:21:46.240 --> 0:21:53.000 the crime. I just put alongside the road and walked in. 0:21:53.119 --> 0:21:57.879 And frankis okay, and can you tell us where did 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.680 you see the cop car? Where was Bobby Joe's car in? 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:06.359 Rodo's car was in the driveway slash yard and the 0:22:06.440 --> 0:22:12.000 cop car was like driveway slashwaard. Okay, so kind of 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:14.160 half half in the driveway and half in the road, 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:17.720 right okay. And you walked into Frankie's house, right okay? 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:20.600 And what happened? I want tweets bedroom and like fruits? 0:22:21.760 --> 0:22:25.640 Why did you freeze? Because I saw things I didn't 0:22:25.680 --> 0:22:31.639 want to see. What he saw was Frankie Rodin and 0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:36.480 Hannah Hazel lying in a pool of blood. Cody testified 0:22:36.560 --> 0:22:40.040 that Chris Senior's dog, Chance probably knew the killers because 0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.719 they would have likely attacked them if he didn't. Something 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:48.879 special about cheese, something different? What was that? What do 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:53.320 you mean different? Well? Was Chance a gentle dog or 0:22:54.000 --> 0:22:56.960 or not? To me? Yes? He was gentle to you, 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:59.560 and chance knew you because you had been to that 0:22:59.640 --> 0:23:03.240 proper often, right, right, I was a chance with people 0:23:03.320 --> 0:23:09.480 he didn't know. They wont went in the house. Here's 0:23:09.520 --> 0:23:14.800 Angeinette's overview of Cody's testimony. Cody Manly is Hannah May's 0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:19.399 cousin and the son of James and April Manly, and 0:23:19.920 --> 0:23:23.920 he was close with Frankie Rowden. He ended up actually 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:29.040 going down to Frankie's house and saw Bobby Joe in 0:23:29.160 --> 0:23:33.920 the driveway, and he walked into the house to see 0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:37.119 what was going on, and he actually found Frankie and 0:23:37.320 --> 0:23:43.200 Hannah Hazel dead in the bed. A deputy came in 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.000 and told him, look, you've got to get out of here. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:50.520 He said he was frozen, he just couldn't move. And 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.639 he testified about Hannah May being fearful of the Wagners. 0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:59.080 He didn't say necessarily that Hannah May was fearful of George, 0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.120 but that she did fear the Wagoners. She wasn't living 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.720 there with the Wagoners anymore. That's why she broke it 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.639 off with Jake. He had made some threats to her 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.560 in the past as well, and kept her in her 0:24:11.640 --> 0:24:14.480 bedroom for periods of time and wouldn't let her leave 0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.919 the house. So listening to Cody Manley talk about how 0:24:18.040 --> 0:24:26.040 Hannah was fearful of the Wagners was pretty telling. First 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.960 of all, can you tell us your name? Kendra Rodin Okay? 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:32.600 And Kendrick? Can you tell us how would you are 0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:38.919 twenty five? Okay? And where do you work? I currently 0:24:38.960 --> 0:24:42.760 work as a nurse at Brookdale. It's a nursing facility 0:24:42.840 --> 0:24:48.400 for demental residence. Okay? And where is that located? And Inglewood, Ohio. 0:24:49.680 --> 0:24:54.119 Kendra Roden, Kenneth's daughter, also gave heart wrenching testimony. She 0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:56.960 wore a white shirt with lace accents and her long 0:24:57.000 --> 0:25:00.359 blonde hair and a neat braid. She was extremely close 0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:04.040 to Hannah May and witnessed many of Jake's abuses. And 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.760 you mentioned Hannah. Who are you talking about when you 0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:11.280 say Hannah? Hannah Roden? She was Chris's daughter, She was 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:15.560 my cousin, my best friend. We were like sisters. And 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:17.720 can you tell us for how long of your life 0:25:17.800 --> 0:25:20.440 that was? Was that? Did that start in early childhood 0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:24.119 or did that start later in life? Early childhood we 0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:27.520 were only a month apart, so we had been together forever. 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:32.439 Kendra echoed April Manley's claim that Jake was controlling and cruel. 0:25:32.840 --> 0:25:36.679 Did you continue to hang out with Jake and Hannah 0:25:37.000 --> 0:25:42.040 on various occasions? Yes, okay. Was there ever a time 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:47.840 that you expressed a disliking of Jake? Yes? I told 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:51.879 Hannah I did not like Jake okay? And can you 0:25:51.960 --> 0:25:55.800 tell us what led you to say that? He would 0:25:55.960 --> 0:25:58.479 constantly try to be controlling? He would follow her anywhere 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:00.280 we went. She was never allowed to be a loan. 0:26:00.960 --> 0:26:03.920 So give us some examples of that. An example would 0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:05.400 be when we went to the Reared and White Tail 0:26:05.480 --> 0:26:09.080 Deer Festival, Hannah would like need to go to the bathroom, 0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:10.320 or we would say that we were going to go 0:26:10.320 --> 0:26:12.879 to the bathroom and Jake had attack among and then 0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:16.680 he would wait outside until we were done. And did 0:26:16.800 --> 0:26:19.840 anything happen at the I believe you said, the Cyota 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:24.000 County Fair, Yes, ma'am okay. At the Sida County Fair, 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:28.240 Jake had made a demeaning remark to Hannah Roden and 0:26:28.440 --> 0:26:30.399 grabbed her by the arm, in which I turned and 0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:31.960 kicked him in the shin because I didn't like it. 0:26:32.000 --> 0:26:33.520