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Speaker 1: you get to your podcast. Much of today's testimony was
Speaker 1: about the rocky relationship between Hannah Roden and Jake Wagner.
Speaker 1: The two had dated and they also had a daughter together. Okay,
Speaker 1: miss Many, can you tell us who she was afraid of?
Speaker 1: The Wagner family. You know this was an abusive relationship
Speaker 1: between Hannahme and Jake. She talked about Jake chasing her
Speaker 1: down in a vehicle one time. Even though George Wagner
Speaker 1: is the one on trial here, all of this testimony
Speaker 1: about Jake is relevant because prosecutors say a custody battle
Speaker 1: over is the reason four members of the Wagner family
Speaker 1: murdered eight members of the Roden family. One of the
Speaker 1: defense lawyers told the Jersey, every time you hear the
Speaker 1: Wagner keep in mind that George Wagner is the only
Speaker 1: one on trial here. This is the Piked and Massacre.
Speaker 1: Return to Pike County Season four, Episode eight, A family
Speaker 1: Torn m Courtney Armstrong, a television producer at Katie Studios,
Speaker 1: with Stephanie Lydecker and Jeff Shane in the middle of
Speaker 1: George Wagner, the fourth's trial. A typical Ohio fall has
Speaker 1: settled on Piked In. The wind is picked up and
Speaker 1: temperatures are dropping into the thirties. But unlike the vibrant
Speaker 1: autumn leaves springing up all around the Pike County Courthouse
Speaker 1: in Waverley, Ohio, the mood in the courtroom is dark.
Speaker 1: In the biggest murder investigation in Ohio's history. Jake Wagner's
Speaker 1: older brother, George the Fourth, stares down eight counts of
Speaker 1: aggravated murder with death penalty specifications. It's important to note
Speaker 1: that George Wagner the Fourth, currently on trial, has pleaded
Speaker 1: not guilty and has maintained he did not kill anyone.
Speaker 1: His father, Billy Wagner, whose trial is upcoming, has also
Speaker 1: pleaded not guilty to all charges. This episode contains frequent
Speaker 1: mentions of the names of the children impacted by this crime.
Speaker 1: We will continue to avoid exposing their identities. Here's Judge
Speaker 1: Randy Deering. Now there's a state ready to proceeded to
Speaker 1: stop right, is the defense ready? All the state may
Speaker 1: call him on the witness. Of course, this entire trial
Speaker 1: has been gut wrenching, but today's testimony was also deeply
Speaker 1: emotional as Prosecutor Angie Kineppa called friends and family of
Speaker 1: the Rodents to the stand. These relatives and friends were
Speaker 1: forced to relive the day the Rodents had been murdered,
Speaker 1: where they were, when they found out whom they were with,
Speaker 1: and how they handled the harrowing news the state. April.
Speaker 1: The first witness was April Manly, the wife of James Manly,
Speaker 1: Dana Roden's brother. April was Hanname's aunt and extremely close
Speaker 1: to her. She has long blonde hair and wears a
Speaker 1: rose colored Vnex sweater on the stand. Intermittently, April wipes
Speaker 1: tears from her eyes. She lives less than a mile
Speaker 1: to the east of Dana Roden's home. On the morning
Speaker 1: of the murders, April said she rode in the ambulance
Speaker 1: to Adams County Regional Medical Center with Hanname's newborn baby,
Speaker 1: her child with Charlie Gillie. The four day old was unharmed.
Speaker 1: Fighting back tears, April said her husband, James knew something
Speaker 1: was wrong when outside the road and home he heard
Speaker 1: Hanname's infant crying NonStop. They knew Hanname would not let
Speaker 1: her baby cry like that. So your husband comes back
Speaker 1: and tells you that that he believes DNA is dead. Yes,
Speaker 1: what do you do? As result of that? I went
Speaker 1: with you. Master Dad's was an emotional wret. I didn't
Speaker 1: want him to be alike. Did he tell you anything
Speaker 1: about at that time? Jameses, Yeah, they'd hurt cry. Anna
Speaker 1: d wouldn't walked back here. He knew what kinda mother.
Speaker 1: Hannah wasn't she wouldn't be currently okay, So he was
Speaker 1: concerned because he felt Hannah would have been tending to
Speaker 1: the baby. Yes. Then at the hospital, April had what
Speaker 1: she described as an unsettling encounter with Jake. According to April,
Speaker 1: Jake seemed apathetic about hannahme Rodin's death. He seemed more
Speaker 1: concerned with taking custody of her newborn child, who we
Speaker 1: would come to learn was not even his. And while
Speaker 1: you were there, did anybody else show up to the hospital?
Speaker 1: I got recall who all? But I knew when there
Speaker 1: was a couple of my nieces and nephews there and
Speaker 1: a cousin of mine. And then eventually at the end,
Speaker 1: Jake showed up, Jake Wagner. Okay, And where were you
Speaker 1: when Jake Wagner showed up? I was outside? Okay? And
Speaker 1: can you tell us how that interaction went? He was motionless?
Speaker 1: That makes sense to he did? I cried, and I like,
Speaker 1: he wasn't worried about nothing. Wasn't someone that bought, had
Speaker 1: just lost someone that claimed to love, So he was
Speaker 1: not showing emotion in that time. Okay, why was he there?
Speaker 1: He came to checking to see if he could take her.
Speaker 1: Did you inform him that he could not take her? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And did he hug you at all while he was there? Yes.
Speaker 1: April then commented that she wondered whether Jake had Hannah's
Speaker 1: blood on him when he was embracing her. Jake was
Speaker 1: extremely controlling over Hannah me Rodin, April said, and had
Speaker 1: negatively shaped her body image. He was very controlling over Hannah,
Speaker 1: like we wasn't allowed to text check her treat and
Speaker 1: even knows Hannah's week. Hannah was always a chunky little monkey,
Speaker 1: and she had got down so tiny because he would
Speaker 1: tell her that she was fat and tell her not
Speaker 1: to eat. Did Hannah ever tell you that she was
Speaker 1: scared yes, of Jake? Yes? And did she indicate that
Speaker 1: she was afraid of Jake and his family? Yes? Okay?
Speaker 1: And can you tell us what she was afraid of?
Speaker 1: The defense objects to this line of questioning, and Judge
Speaker 1: Daring sustains the objection. According to April, Jake also physically
Speaker 1: threatened Hannah on multiple occasions, even engaging her in a
Speaker 1: dangerous high speed chase. And can you tell us you
Speaker 1: indicated Jake Wagner was the one who would be around
Speaker 1: the most because of Hannah, and then he would sometimes
Speaker 1: be up at that residence that Frankie and Hazel were
Speaker 1: found in, when Dana and Hannah and little Chris lived there.
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what your interactions would have been
Speaker 1: with him? We didn't interact. I didn't like him. He
Speaker 1: didn't like me, Okay, Why not because he thought I
Speaker 1: was noisy and needed just stay in my place because
Speaker 1: I would defend Hannah, Okay. And how do you know
Speaker 1: that he felt that way? Because I was at my
Speaker 1: house one evening and Ned got into it and Hannah'd left.
Speaker 1: She had just got a driver's license, she was a
Speaker 1: new driver, and she called me. He'd left after her,
Speaker 1: and she called me and said he was chasing her
Speaker 1: around at high speeds, and I told her to try
Speaker 1: to get away somewhere, and she got finally got away
Speaker 1: from him and hid behind a church on Union Hill,
Speaker 1: and I called her mom, and her mom caught her dad,
Speaker 1: and then I called Hannah back and stayed home with her.
Speaker 1: That's so Chris Scott to her. April commented that it
Speaker 1: wasn't only Jake she found scary. Hannah was also fearful
Speaker 1: of Billy Wagner, who usually walked around with a gun
Speaker 1: holster to his side. April also described the disturbing experience
Speaker 1: of seeing the Wagners at the Rodents funerals. Did you
Speaker 1: see Billy Wagner there at the funeral? Yes? Did you
Speaker 1: observe any injuries on him at that time? He had
Speaker 1: bruisine only his face. And what about Jake Wagner did
Speaker 1: you see him at the funerals? Yes? Okay? Emotional and raw,
Speaker 1: April Manley was an effective witness for Angie Caneppa's team,
Speaker 1: offering deeper insight into Jake's depravity. Here's Long Crime Network
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Speaker 1: I think April Manly provided some really good testimony for
Speaker 1: the prosecution. She talked about how you know this was
Speaker 1: an abusive relationship between hannahme and Jake. She talked about
Speaker 1: how the Wagner's Billy, George, and Jake attended the funerals
Speaker 1: of the road and family members. I mean, that's pretty
Speaker 1: stunning to think that somebody who was part of killing
Speaker 1: your family members showed up at the funerals with their
Speaker 1: family members who were also accused. Now Billy and George
Speaker 1: maintained they didn't do this. They've pleaded not guilty. But
Speaker 1: just the fact that we actually have photographs and video
Speaker 1: of Jake and George and Billy at the funerals is
Speaker 1: pretty stunning. It's very eerie. But April manly provided some
Speaker 1: testimony that was very damaging to Jake Wagner. It should
Speaker 1: be pointed out that none of an April's testimony incriminates
Speaker 1: George the fourth or puts him at the crime scene,
Speaker 1: nor does it indicate that George Wagner had any motive
Speaker 1: to carry out his brother's grudge against Hannah may Roden.
Speaker 1: But according to Ohio based criminal defense attorney and legal
Speaker 1: analyst Mike Allen, Kneppa is trying to weave a larger
Speaker 1: narrative about the Wagners as a family unit that did
Speaker 1: everything together, including murder. One of the defense lawyers, in
Speaker 1: his opening statement, was very very short, told the jurors
Speaker 1: that every time you hear the Wagners, you know, keep
Speaker 1: in mind that George Wagner is the only one on
Speaker 1: trial here, and you know, we don't know what went
Speaker 1: on in chambers. When the judge talks from the prosecutor
Speaker 1: and defense counsel. I mean, perhaps the judge told all
Speaker 1: the prosecutor, hey, you know, you're getting a little bit
Speaker 1: of field on some of these witnesses. You're going to
Speaker 1: have to narrow it down. That happens all the time.
Speaker 1: But it sure seems though, like he had pretty much
Speaker 1: free reign to tell the tale of the Wagner family,
Speaker 1: even if what the witnesses were saying was not particularly
Speaker 1: relevant to George. A lot of testimony came in that
Speaker 1: was not relevant to George. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: I'd go as far as to say most of it.
Speaker 1: But again, she's telling the story. The judge was letting
Speaker 1: her do it. I would have done the same thing
Speaker 1: if I was prosecuting the case. Judges will permit prosecutors
Speaker 1: to do things like this, telling the tale and setting
Speaker 1: it up like that, But at some point, if it
Speaker 1: gets to be too much, the judge can step in.
Speaker 1: But he didn't feel it appropriate to do that. And
Speaker 1: you know, again, I think it was the prosecutor's desire
Speaker 1: to just weave the tale about how awful this family was.
Speaker 1: Another part of the prosecution strategy is to maintain constant
Speaker 1: sympathy for the victims. Obviously, the prosecutor wants to create
Speaker 1: as much sympathy for the victims that she can, and
Speaker 1: from what I understand, she has been able to do that.
Speaker 1: You know, the roads are obviously their family members were
Speaker 1: brutally murdered and they want to be there. And it
Speaker 1: helps the state too with the jury because again I
Speaker 1: think there was a motion shown at the appropriate time,
Speaker 1: so it helps the state. Were the Wagners, including George,
Speaker 1: the tight knit clan they appeared to be, did they
Speaker 1: always take action as a unit following what's known in
Speaker 1: the Appalachian fringe as the Code of the Hills. So far,
Speaker 1: the prosecution may have fallen short of proving that. Here
Speaker 1: again internet Jake's daughter. Custody of his daughter is really
Speaker 1: what the prosecution says was the motive in this case,
Speaker 1: and they say it's a conspiracy and that four people
Speaker 1: were involved in the conspiracy. So a lot of the
Speaker 1: testimony seems to point more to Jake, and we hear
Speaker 1: way more about Jake and Angela Wagner than we do
Speaker 1: about George. So George seems like in some ways to
Speaker 1: not be that much of a fixture or a feature
Speaker 1: in his own murder trial. At a lot of points
Speaker 1: when we're listening to some of this testimony, it seems strange.
Speaker 1: It's not the first time I've covered a trial where
Speaker 1: it seems like you don't hear that much about the defendant.
Speaker 1: When I've seen this happen in the past, it's always
Speaker 1: been a case that involved more than one defendant, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, Jake Wagner is really the main player in
Speaker 1: this case. And Jake Wagner, of course pleaded guilty and
Speaker 1: admitted it said that this is why the family carried
Speaker 1: out these crimes. But if you're George Wagner's defense attorneys,
Speaker 1: I would think you'd be thinking, you know what, my
Speaker 1: guy's name hasn't been mentioned very often up to this point,
Speaker 1: so I'd be trying to exploit that as much as
Speaker 1: I could, because it's all been about Jake and Hannah
Speaker 1: may Or, about Angela and Hannah may Or, Angela and
Speaker 1: Jake and the child. It hasn't really been that much
Speaker 1: about George. We're going to take a break. We'll be
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Speaker 1: son Cody also takes the stand. He's got short blonde
Speaker 1: hair and glasses and wears a blue checkered button down shirt.
Speaker 1: He is very composed. Please tell me if I am
Speaker 1: correct about this. Your testimony is that you saw George
Speaker 1: Wagner a few times at Chris's fireworks correct, yes, okay,
Speaker 1: And that you knew him enough to recognize him correct correct, okay.
Speaker 1: And in addition to that, you saw him at the
Speaker 1: funeral correct okay. Do you recognize him in the courtroom
Speaker 1: here today? Yes? And can you please tell us where
Speaker 1: he is sitting in what he is wearing over there?
Speaker 1: And at vest and white shirt and black hie. Cody
Speaker 1: and Frankie Rodin were best friends. Frankie lived down the
Speaker 1: road from Cody and rode with him every day to work.
Speaker 1: On the morning of April twenty second, Frankie didn't show
Speaker 1: up at Cody's house like he usually did, so Cody
Speaker 1: drove over to the Rodens to see what was going on.
Speaker 1: Cody described arriving at the scene of the murders and
Speaker 1: seeing his aunt Bobby Joe Manley's car along with the
Speaker 1: police officer's car. He then walked into the scene of
Speaker 1: the crime. I just put alongside the road and walked in.
Speaker 1: And frankis okay, and can you tell us where did
Speaker 1: you see the cop car? Where was Bobby Joe's car in?
Speaker 1: Rodo's car was in the driveway slash yard and the
Speaker 1: cop car was like driveway slashwaard. Okay, so kind of
Speaker 1: half half in the driveway and half in the road,
Speaker 1: right okay. And you walked into Frankie's house, right okay?
Speaker 1: And what happened? I want tweets bedroom and like fruits?
Speaker 1: Why did you freeze? Because I saw things I didn't
Speaker 1: want to see. What he saw was Frankie Rodin and
Speaker 1: Hannah Hazel lying in a pool of blood. Cody testified
Speaker 1: that Chris Senior's dog, Chance probably knew the killers because
Speaker 1: they would have likely attacked them if he didn't. Something
Speaker 1: special about cheese, something different? What was that? What do
Speaker 1: you mean different? Well? Was Chance a gentle dog or
Speaker 1: or not? To me? Yes? He was gentle to you,
Speaker 1: and chance knew you because you had been to that
Speaker 1: proper often, right, right, I was a chance with people
Speaker 1: he didn't know. They wont went in the house. Here's
Speaker 1: Angeinette's overview of Cody's testimony. Cody Manly is Hannah May's
Speaker 1: cousin and the son of James and April Manly, and
Speaker 1: he was close with Frankie Rowden. He ended up actually
Speaker 1: going down to Frankie's house and saw Bobby Joe in
Speaker 1: the driveway, and he walked into the house to see
Speaker 1: what was going on, and he actually found Frankie and
Speaker 1: Hannah Hazel dead in the bed. A deputy came in
Speaker 1: and told him, look, you've got to get out of here.
Speaker 1: He said he was frozen, he just couldn't move. And
Speaker 1: he testified about Hannah May being fearful of the Wagners.
Speaker 1: He didn't say necessarily that Hannah May was fearful of George,
Speaker 1: but that she did fear the Wagoners. She wasn't living
Speaker 1: there with the Wagoners anymore. That's why she broke it
Speaker 1: off with Jake. He had made some threats to her
Speaker 1: in the past as well, and kept her in her
Speaker 1: bedroom for periods of time and wouldn't let her leave
Speaker 1: the house. So listening to Cody Manley talk about how
Speaker 1: Hannah was fearful of the Wagners was pretty telling. First
Speaker 1: of all, can you tell us your name? Kendra Rodin Okay?
Speaker 1: And Kendrick? Can you tell us how would you are
Speaker 1: twenty five? Okay? And where do you work? I currently
Speaker 1: work as a nurse at Brookdale. It's a nursing facility
Speaker 1: for demental residence. Okay? And where is that located? And Inglewood, Ohio.
Speaker 1: Kendra Roden, Kenneth's daughter, also gave heart wrenching testimony. She
Speaker 1: wore a white shirt with lace accents and her long
Speaker 1: blonde hair and a neat braid. She was extremely close
Speaker 1: to Hannah May and witnessed many of Jake's abuses. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned Hannah. Who are you talking about when you
Speaker 1: say Hannah? Hannah Roden? She was Chris's daughter, She was
Speaker 1: my cousin, my best friend. We were like sisters. And
Speaker 1: can you tell us for how long of your life
Speaker 1: that was? Was that? Did that start in early childhood
Speaker 1: or did that start later in life? Early childhood we
Speaker 1: were only a month apart, so we had been together forever.
Speaker 1: Kendra echoed April Manley's claim that Jake was controlling and cruel.
Speaker 1: Did you continue to hang out with Jake and Hannah
Speaker 1: on various occasions? Yes, okay. Was there ever a time
Speaker 1: that you expressed a disliking of Jake? Yes? I told
Speaker 1: Hannah I did not like Jake okay? And can you
Speaker 1: tell us what led you to say that? He would
Speaker 1: constantly try to be controlling? He would follow her anywhere
Speaker 1: we went. She was never allowed to be a loan.
Speaker 1: So give us some examples of that. An example would
Speaker 1: be when we went to the Reared and White Tail
Speaker 1: Deer Festival, Hannah would like need to go to the bathroom,
Speaker 1: or we would say that we were going to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and Jake had attack among and then
Speaker 1: he would wait outside until we were done. And did
Speaker 1: anything happen at the I believe you said, the Cyota
Speaker 1: County Fair, Yes, ma'am okay. At the Sida County Fair,
Speaker 1: Jake had made a demeaning remark to Hannah Roden and
Speaker 1: grabbed her by the arm, in which I turned and
Speaker 1: kicked him in the shin because I didn't like it.
Speaker 1: And then Hannah got in between the both of us.
Speaker 1: She had come to me, She had arranged a little
Speaker 1: day for us to be together, and we had went
Speaker 1: to a man made pond that my family had built
Speaker 1: out on left Work Road. We were swimming and fishing
Speaker 1: in the pond there when she stopped and she told
Speaker 1: me that she was pregnant. I thought she was joking.
Speaker 1: I was hoping she was joking, but she told me
Speaker 1: she was really pregnant with his child and that everything
Speaker 1: was going to be okay. Did you support her through
Speaker 1: that process as much as I could? I wasn't allowed
Speaker 1: to be around. And when you say you weren't allowed
Speaker 1: by who? By Jake Wagner. At one point during her separation,
Speaker 1: Hannah shared with Kendra deeply disturbing voice recordings of Jake.
Speaker 1: It was testimony that ran a gauntlet of objections from
Speaker 1: the defense. At some point, did Hannah end up leaving Jake? Yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: And what do you remember from that? The night that
Speaker 1: she had left Jake, she came to my mother's residency
Speaker 1: where I was staying at seven dollars Lane, and she
Speaker 1: was a little distraught. We light on my bed and
Speaker 1: she had played audio recordings from Jake Wagner phone calls
Speaker 1: that they had had or from when they were in person.
Speaker 1: There are multiple different ones about incidents that had occurred
Speaker 1: between Jake and her. Okay. And do you know what
Speaker 1: occurred between them? Yes, ma'am. She not only told me,
Speaker 1: but had played audio recordings of Jake admitting to hitting her,
Speaker 1: choking her, pushing her against a wall. When he was
Speaker 1: admitting to that stuff, what was the tenor of those
Speaker 1: in the tone of those recordings, was he saying other
Speaker 1: things to her? For instance? And was this before or
Speaker 1: after Hannah had left Jake? It was after she had
Speaker 1: left Jake. How are you able to listen to this conversation?
Speaker 1: Hannah had the phone on speaker phone, that way I
Speaker 1: could be witnessed anything that was said. Okay, And there
Speaker 1: was an intentional act on her part, yes, ma'am. Okay.
Speaker 1: And how do you know that it was Jake Wagner
Speaker 1: on the other end of the phone. I've met Jake before,
Speaker 1: I've talked to Jake before. I know his voice. And
Speaker 1: what was that discussion that you heard? The discussion was
Speaker 1: actually because Hannah had found out she was pregnant with
Speaker 1: her youngest and Jake had believed that was his and
Speaker 1: we were trying to point out to him that she
Speaker 1: absolutely was not his and that he couldn't be a
Speaker 1: part of her life. And at what point do you
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Speaker 1: Rude tannertos on the iHeartRadio Appicable podcasts or wherever you
Speaker 1: get your podcasts and Kneppa asked Kendra to describe the
Speaker 1: moment she learned of the murders and was helped out
Speaker 1: by a quote stadie or state police. Do you stay
Speaker 1: at the church? Upon learning that my father had been
Speaker 1: killed as well? I walked down the hill there until
Speaker 1: a family friend had actually picked me up. Her name
Speaker 1: was Melissa, and I told her that I just needed
Speaker 1: to get across the highway. She took me across the
Speaker 1: highway and I got out. There was a stadi there
Speaker 1: that stopped me. I just I was trying to get
Speaker 1: Tannah because I just wanted to be with her. I
Speaker 1: was crying and the stadi I had dropped to the ground.
Speaker 1: The stadie helped me get back up. At what point
Speaker 1: did you learn that something had happened? My boyfriend at
Speaker 1: the time I had woke me up around eight thirty,
Speaker 1: we had missed a phone call from a family friend,
Speaker 1: Nicole Francis, that had said that my uncle Chris Senior,
Speaker 1: had been shot. She had heard it on a police radio.
Speaker 1: So I called her back, and at that point she
Speaker 1: had told me that Chris had been shot. I tried
Speaker 1: to call Hannah. I can't get a hold of Hannah.
Speaker 1: I can't get a hold of anybody so my brother
Speaker 1: and I, his girlfriend and my ex boyfriend. We drove
Speaker 1: to Union Hill, in which we were stopped just before
Speaker 1: Frankie Driveway, stopped by whom the sheriffs that were there.
Speaker 1: It's a time that you got that call. Was the
Speaker 1: only information you had was that Christinior had been shot? Yes, ma'am.
Speaker 1: At what point did you learn differently? At some point,
Speaker 1: my brother Luke Rowden had obtained some information from one
Speaker 1: of the sheriffs that Hannah had also been shot, in
Speaker 1: which he had come and told me that she had
Speaker 1: been shot as well and she was dead. What did
Speaker 1: you do at that point? I became very upset. I
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that she had also been shot. I cried,
Speaker 1: we age. There was a few of us that had
Speaker 1: actually tried to push past the sheriffs. At this point, George,
Speaker 1: the fourth lawyer, began a flimsy cross asking Kendra if
Speaker 1: she had any knowledge of Chris Senior's drug dealings. The
Speaker 1: line of questioning ran aground, now referring to the information
Speaker 1: which you had provided previously to law enforcement. You had
Speaker 1: given information about an individual you know as Big Mike.
Speaker 1: Is that right? Yes? And Big Mike is someone who
Speaker 1: is from the Cincinnati area to my knowledge, Okay, that's
Speaker 1: information that you had given agents though, right, that I
Speaker 1: had heard from my father. You were asked about drug
Speaker 1: dealing with your family's involvement with drug dealing. Right you
Speaker 1: are asked that question? Yes, okay, And so I'm eventually
Speaker 1: going to ask you about Big Mike. Did you ever
Speaker 1: observe an African American mel with Chris Senior or your father?
Speaker 1: Not a reall? Okay? Do you have personal knowledge of
Speaker 1: Chris Senior preparing to buy a building for a pill mill? No?
Speaker 1: Do you remember providing that information to agents? I provided
Speaker 1: it based on Hairsay, okay. You were also asked about
Speaker 1: Billy Wagner by associate or by agents? Right? Yes, you
Speaker 1: described the relationship between Chris Senior and Billy Wagner as
Speaker 1: business associates. Yes, you're aware of Chris Senior's involvement in
Speaker 1: marijuana traffic right, yes, And you're aware that he was
Speaker 1: in Asian more than just Mariworna traffic. Not firsthand knowledge
Speaker 1: you had told me SEI agents about more than just
Speaker 1: Marimann traffic. Yes, based on what I heard. Thank you?
Speaker 1: Again and again, the defense failed to gain ground and
Speaker 1: George the Fourth's favor, but neither really did the prosecution
Speaker 1: make a clear case against Jake's older brother George. Instead,
Speaker 1: they seem focused on painting Jake, as I said, sociopath
Speaker 1: here again, Mike Allen. It's not all that probitive or
Speaker 1: relevant because George is on trial, not Jake. But I
Speaker 1: think the prosecution had a strategy to paint Jake. It's
Speaker 1: kind of a depraved lunatic throughout the entire trial, and
Speaker 1: I think they were successful in doing it. I mean,
Speaker 1: anytime that they could take a shot at Jake one
Speaker 1: way or the other, they did. I think that was
Speaker 1: probably the strategy there. Oh. I think the jury's picking
Speaker 1: up on that, and the prosecutor has been pounding it
Speaker 1: throughout the trial, and it just shows that this is
Speaker 1: a family like no other family that I've seen before.
Speaker 1: They're depraved and they don't care about anyone other than
Speaker 1: their family, and that is coming through loud and clear
Speaker 1: on this trial. But George's abuse of tendencies will come
Speaker 1: to light soon when his x weft Tabitha takes the stand.
Speaker 1: Here's Mike and Angeanette. Well Tambatha was on the stand
Speaker 1: the next day and gave testimony that she worked at
Speaker 1: the group home that Frederica Wagner owned. It was called
Speaker 1: Crystal Springs. She cheated on George while working at that
Speaker 1: group home. They fired her and took her phone. She
Speaker 1: was allowed to go outside home alone when she was there.
Speaker 1: And it's really frightening too, you know. She talked about
Speaker 1: that night she fled the house. She said that Angela
Speaker 1: and Hannah May had gone out to get some toys
Speaker 1: for the kids and she was home with her son,
Speaker 1: and Angela had told her. She claimed that she needed
Speaker 1: to clean up the dishes from lunch. Well, she didn't
Speaker 1: do it. She laid down to take a nap with
Speaker 1: her son, and she said that when Angela came home,
Speaker 1: she was very upset with her for not completing that
Speaker 1: task or that chore. There was an argument. George got
Speaker 1: upset with her for yelling at Angela. George slapped her
Speaker 1: and hit her with a belt. She escaped living with
Speaker 1: them by hiding under George's truck, then getting a bike
Speaker 1: out of the barn and riding away. She rode the
Speaker 1: bike down to the gas station down the road and
Speaker 1: she had her mom pick her up. She was hiding
Speaker 1: from them because he was scared of being shot. George
Speaker 1: took their son to Alaska when the Wagoners fled, but
Speaker 1: did not let Tabitha know she had no contact with
Speaker 1: her son while the Wagoners were in Alaska. George kept
Speaker 1: making excuses as to why, and one of George's closest
Speaker 1: friends testifies that George wasn't in his usual self after
Speaker 1: the killings. Samantha Staley had also testified though, that after
Speaker 1: the homicides, she was with George and some other people
Speaker 1: and they went fishing, and she said, he wasn't the
Speaker 1: same George. He just different. It wasn't the same George.
Speaker 1: And she brought up the fact that Frankie had been
Speaker 1: killed in the rest of the family and he George,
Speaker 1: she said, told her to shut the f up, which
Speaker 1: sounds like it was pretty out of character for him,
Speaker 1: at least when dealing with her. More on that next time.
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