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Speaker 3: Welcome back our number two more action packs sports news

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Speaker 3: happening seemingly every sixteen minutes. I don't know, maybe it's

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Speaker 3: just the luck of Rachel Nichols and I fill again

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Speaker 3: for Colin. There's just a lot happening now. Rachel, you

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Speaker 3: know during the show, I can't be on Twitter because

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Speaker 3: it gets in your brain and messes you up.

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Speaker 4: And I've got this flow, yes.

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Speaker 5: Yesterday, what would argue Twitter message with your brain at

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Speaker 5: all times?

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Speaker 3: But yes us, less is more when it comes to

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Speaker 3: social media. Anyways, we'll have that shortly, Yogi Roth, really

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Speaker 3: good dude. Those colleges will as well as anybody. He's

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Speaker 3: coming up in like five minutes. But first I wanted

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Speaker 3: to go on a little riff about Dabo Sweeney. Now listen,

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Speaker 3: him and Colin have a checkered history. Remember after he

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Speaker 3: won a national championship.

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Speaker 4: He was kneedling him.

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Speaker 3: Listen, there was a moment where Dabbo was the man

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Speaker 3: in college football.

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Speaker 4: Has he taken over for Nick Saban?

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Speaker 3: Obviously they had Taj Boyd, and then they had Deshaun

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Speaker 3: Watson and then went Totatoe with Bam. It was an

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Speaker 3: awesome era. Enter Let's say Trevor Lawrence like they had

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Speaker 3: a great run. But then the game done changed and

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Speaker 3: this thing called the transfer portal came out of COVID

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden boom, everybody's building their team

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Speaker 3: in different ways.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 3: As I've said multiple times here on my podcast, I'm

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Speaker 3: obsessed with team building.

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Speaker 4: You guys don't coach my kids in youth sports. So

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Speaker 4: knowing the.

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Speaker 3: Kids and the parents through school and stuff, I know

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Speaker 3: who to avoid. I know that he's really good. He's

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Speaker 3: a nightmare at practice. And oh, by the way, his

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Speaker 3: parents are gonna be texting me about playing touff.

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Speaker 4: I don't need that headache.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna I'm gonna pass on that the transfer

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Speaker 3: portal does not totally allow you to dive deep the

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Speaker 3: way you can with recruiting.

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Speaker 4: You can track a kid for.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, two, three, four, five years right through middle.

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Speaker 4: School and high school. You could get you another family.

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Speaker 3: Like the recruiting process is slow and can bear a

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Speaker 3: lot of fruit. The transfer portal is fast expensive, and

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Speaker 3: ye buyer beware with caveat emptor you don't know what

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Speaker 3: you're getting. Why is that guy leaving the team? You

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Speaker 3: year at wherever school? Why is he looking to leave?

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Speaker 3: he be for teammates?

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Speaker 6: You guys do?

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Speaker 3: them against Leonel Messi in Miami, and I'm yucking it

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Speaker 3: up with the GM in the front office and I'm asking, oh, so,

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Speaker 3: what happened with this guy? And then you start to

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Speaker 3: find doubt the internal stuff that's not in the media.

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Speaker 3: And like, my daughter currently plays volleyball, so we've been

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Speaker 3: playing for a few years, and you know, the local coaches.

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Speaker 4: Now there are some success stories.

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Speaker 3: Right TCU, SMU Indiana, some of these guys pop. Dabbo

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Speaker 3: So Dabo got a couple guys, and all of a

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Speaker 3: what we how loaded is Clemson?

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Speaker 3: What four of the top fifteen players in an athletic

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Speaker 3: no to the portal, building it his way and he

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Speaker 4: So we're gonna bring in Yogi Roth, a law time

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Speaker 3: He was with the he's currently with the Big Ten Network.

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Speaker 3: I know Yogi personally. We had a dinner four months ago.

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Speaker 7: Well, I think everybody who's in college football kind of

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Speaker 7: was curious what they're not going to play in that space.

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Speaker 7: If you go back in the history of when the

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Speaker 7: Vanderbilt like these high academic institutions, like you couldn't just

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Speaker 7: Lincoln Riley in year two after kaya Williams wins the Heisman,

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Speaker 7: You rarely, if ever, have seen teams go to the

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Speaker 6: Now you can supplement. Ohio State was a beautiful.

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Speaker 7: Example like that lock Weathers, will Howard, quinch On Junkins like,

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Speaker 7: there's some key players on their team last year that

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Speaker 7: come and accept that? I've got to sit and wait

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Speaker 7: it doesn't slow down. But I think that's a really

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Speaker 7: hard thing to navigate in this era. So we'll see, like,

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Speaker 7: did they role this year with a veteran leaden team

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Speaker 7: be paid like NFL players, You could argue even better

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Speaker 7: We're not going to do it.

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Speaker 6: We're just going to supplement.

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Speaker 7: Like you've got to navigate this thing because you're also

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Speaker 7: You're also going to navigate one hundred and five scholarships now,

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Speaker 7: which is real. Like there's a lot of I think

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Speaker 3: So, I mean, it's a phenomenal discussion to have. And

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Speaker 3: you said something smart players now don't want to sit anymore.

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Speaker 3: What do you think changed? Was it social media? Was

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Speaker 3: I remember Quinn Youwers went to Ohio State early, remember,

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Speaker 3: When did that change? Can you pit in point like

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Speaker 7: Well, I don't think anybody ever wanted to sit. And

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Speaker 7: I think back when I was playing. You remember Tyler

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Speaker 6: He didn't want to sit at pitt.

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Speaker 7: You think about big time recruits, these are lit eleven

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Speaker 7: I get to thankfully call a day job every day

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Speaker 7: of my life is you can dip, you can leave,

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Speaker 7: you can leave easily, you can leave without penalty, you

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Speaker 6: And to me, I think the biggest challenge of let's

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Speaker 6: just stay on the quarterback thing for a minute.

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Speaker 7: In high school, well, it's being developed at the greatest

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Speaker 6: I think in college it's a challenge.

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Speaker 7: Now to your point of all right, I'm going to

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Speaker 7: come in and I'm the guy, Okay, what do I

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Speaker 7: need to do if I'm the head coach and I

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Speaker 7: need to win let's just be very vanilla right now.

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Speaker 6: I'm going to give you twelve concepts.

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Speaker 7: Half field reads, read one defender and you're going one

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Speaker 6: Or you're running like that.

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Speaker 7: That's really how it starts, because you want to get

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Speaker 7: these guys on the field. You're paying high legit quarterbacks.

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Speaker 7: You're making over two million dollars. Like one point five

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Speaker 7: that's just what it is. So what matters most? I'd

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Speaker 7: love that phrase. The best leaders to me and your

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Speaker 7: reference leadership and coaching. I've done those studies too. The

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Speaker 7: best ones have clarity around the things that matter most.

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Speaker 7: So to a quarterback, you've got to give them that clarity.

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Speaker 7: You're the man, and all of a sudden, you get

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Speaker 7: So I just love what the Manning family did. Arch

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Speaker 6: I wasn't going to let him. He just wasn't going

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Speaker 6: Now he's at Ohio State. I called their spring game

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Speaker 7: Let's not get to you know, games and non conference

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Speaker 6: Like it's always ridiculous.

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Speaker 6: And of course the dialogue flows with that. I heard you,

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Speaker 6: So I love this book.

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Speaker 7: I think they're great examples for all the young quarterbacks

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Speaker 7: But that's what you signed up for. No on's Scott Woodward,

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Speaker 3: on the road. Here your thoughts on the game can't wait.

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Speaker 7: You know, no one Mario Cristobal watching him build this thing, right,

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Speaker 7: who doesn't remember if you're our age the Canes. And

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Speaker 7: then you look at this game and you know we've

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Speaker 7: all seen the thirty for thirty, it's going to be

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Speaker 7: awesome to watch the environment in the game. Like the

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Speaker 7: build up for these games might be better than the

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Speaker 7: games in the three games that we just referenced. Man

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Speaker 7: to be honesty because it's so big and it's going

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Speaker 7: to be a great game. But I think Notre Dame

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Speaker 7: to me is tracking, I think under Marcus Freeman of

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Speaker 7: how he's adjusted this program to whether it's accepting more

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Speaker 7: guys in the transfer portal, whether it's just recruiting at

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Speaker 7: a higher clip. You saw that they played with a

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Speaker 7: sense of freedom last year. I mean a couple snaps

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Speaker 7: away you could argue from. I don't know if they

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Speaker 7: were ever the better team than Ohio State, but what

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Speaker 7: a valiant comeback that they had in that game to

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Speaker 7: make it a four quarter ball game. I think Notre

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Speaker 7: Dame is tracking, but I think he's going to be

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Speaker 7: off the hook. Like the only thing that would better

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Speaker 7: if this was that the old Orange Bowl in a

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Speaker 7: place that very few of us can probably remember, but

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Speaker 7: it would just go absolutely bonkers every time the old

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Speaker 7: school early two thousand Schames would play. I hope it's

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Speaker 7: that energy. And I think for Carson to your point,

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Speaker 7: that's the world that we're in, Like that's the nuanced

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Speaker 7: part of the portal and the nil of you are

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Speaker 7: catching like legitimately targeted negativity at you, you know, just

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Speaker 7: kind of catching strays on the back of a radio show,

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Speaker 7: like you're getting it all day long, and I get

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Speaker 7: it like sometimes you got to wear it. That's part

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Speaker 7: of being a pseudo professional athlete, especially at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 7: But I don't know, man, I think I'll have a

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Speaker 7: big season. I think this offense, what they did last

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Speaker 7: year in Miami was really impressive, of course with cam

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Speaker 7: Warden and all the success he had in that program

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Speaker 7: at a coach Chryst Wall.

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Speaker 6: So I think we'll get another classic, and I think

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Speaker 7: The more of these every week in a non conference play,

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Speaker 7: the better for the game.

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Speaker 3: Amazing, all right, Yogi Roth, author, filmmaker, Big ten Network,

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Speaker 3: He does it all, Yogi great stuff is always thanks

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Speaker 3: Yogi Roth really knows college football has me geeked for

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Speaker 3: the weekend? Oh my gosh, three really good games. You

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Speaker 3: know what else has me geeked? Apparently there's another record

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Speaker 3: Back here on the Herd. Great stuff from Yogi row Listen.

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Speaker 3: College football is very excited, guys. This weekend has to

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Speaker 3: be amazing. Games cannot wait. But let's go to Rachel

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Speaker 3: Nichols with the news. Turn on the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herd Line.

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Speaker 5: News, Jason, some breaking news. This is what we promised

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Speaker 5: earlier in the hour. In Baltimore, Kyle Hamilton and the

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Speaker 5: Ravens have just agreed to a four year, one hundred

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Speaker 5: point four million dollar extension. Get this, eighty two million

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Speaker 5: of it is guarantees. The previous mark in guaranteed money

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Speaker 5: for safety forty five million to Antoine Winfield Junior.

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Speaker 12: What in Tampa.

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Speaker 5: So we are talking about a nearly forty million dollar

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Speaker 5: leap in guaranteed money over the previous standard.

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Speaker 12: It's just insane.

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Speaker 4: Why would they do that?

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Speaker 12: Well, he's so valuable.

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Speaker 5: Right because he's kind of a chess piece that I mean,

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Speaker 5: he can't play defensive line, but pretty much any other

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Speaker 5: position on the field they can slot him into if

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Speaker 5: they need to. I mean, you already had these guys

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Speaker 5: this Super Bowl contender. Yeah, what do you think it

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Speaker 5: does to lock a down guy like this down.

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Speaker 3: So what do you think they're doing paying him like

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Speaker 3: a hybrid linebacker slash safety, because forty million more than

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Speaker 3: the previous record is insane. That just resets the market

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Speaker 3: for I mean, that screws a lot of teams.

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Speaker 5: Right, I mean it's forty more million guaranteed total for

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Speaker 5: the package. It's not forty million more year, but still

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Speaker 5: it's it's a huge number. And I think it's about

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Speaker 5: four and a half million more year overall than any

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Speaker 5: other safety. So they are resetting the market that way

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Speaker 5: a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I'm looking at a pro football focus.

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Speaker 3: So as a rookie, he was the top graded safety

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Speaker 3: in the league. Then he was.

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Speaker 4: Sixth, and then he was second. So he's a superstar.

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Speaker 3: And like he is that chess piece who can guard

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Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey yep and tackle Cemac in space. And then

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Speaker 3: if he asked the match up with a receiver, so

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Speaker 3: be it.

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Speaker 11: You know.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And look, this is a team that had the

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Speaker 5: best injury luck of any defense in the NFL last year,

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Speaker 5: so you can't count on that again.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, right, so you might need him to plug some

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Speaker 12: of those holes.

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Speaker 3: And they went out and who did they drafted Malachi

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Speaker 3: starts the kid out of Georgia.

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Speaker 4: So there they got two safeties.

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Speaker 3: They're doing it differently, like people don't really invest in safety.

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Speaker 3: They do the edge rushers in the corners. Yeah, they're

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Speaker 3: going linebacker in safety. It's an interesting experiment, smart stuff.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 12: Look, it's like buying a house, right.

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Speaker 5: It doesn't have to be the price that anyone else

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Speaker 5: in the world wants to pay. It's what does one

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Speaker 5: buyer want to pay for it? Well, the Ravens want

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Speaker 5: to buy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah on Kyle.

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Speaker 2: So there you go.

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Speaker 13: I like it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there you go.

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Speaker 12: All right, let's say about the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 5: You know they traded for Brian Robinson Junior earlier in

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Speaker 5: the week that added him to the backfield with the

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Speaker 5: say right now, healthy Christian McCaffrey. Those two guys have

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Speaker 5: got some reps together and Robinson has made a bold

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Speaker 5: claim about their future together in Kyle Shanahan's office.

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Speaker 14: My job right now it's just to compliment him the

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Speaker 14: best way I can. And we're gonna be the best

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Speaker 14: duo in the league. I see opportunities for myself. No regardless,

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Speaker 14: you know, I know, no c mac gonna do his

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Speaker 14: thing you know, and I'm gonna be ready to do

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Speaker 14: my thing for sure. You know, Like I told, you know,

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Speaker 14: mister Lynch before I got here. I'm like, look, you know,

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Speaker 14: I respect you know, everybody. I respect the room, I

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Speaker 14: respects he Mac. But I'm a competitor. I come here

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Speaker 14: to compete.

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Speaker 12: Best backfield duo in the game.

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Speaker 4: I had to give that some thought.

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Speaker 3: But listen, this guy was big time. Do you remember

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Speaker 3: him at Alabama as a senior thirteen hundred yards rushing,

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Speaker 3: fourteen touchdowns. I thought he was good in Washington. I

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Speaker 3: was surprised they moved off in my guess it's because

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Speaker 3: he wants the bag and then like we're not doing that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: No, I mean last year, if you look, he had

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Speaker 5: a career high eight Russian touchdowns four point three yards

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Speaker 5: to carry overall in his first three NFL seasons, ty

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Speaker 5: three hundred and nineteen rush yards fifteen rushing touchdowns. So

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Speaker 5: he's got the numbers built up.

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Speaker 12: I mean I would say that.

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Speaker 5: Detroit, Detroit, Yes, that's the team, Tampa, Tampa. These all

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Speaker 5: have strong running back duos. But I love that he's

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Speaker 5: putting himself out there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, Saquon's backup is what will Shipley. Yeah, No, Detroit.

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Speaker 4: I think you're right.

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Speaker 3: Detroit has probably the best backfield with Montgomery and Gibbs.

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Speaker 12: Yeah, but this.

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Speaker 4: Is a really good one.

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Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I like how you're.

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Speaker 3: Wedging a lot of former Washington or current Washington player.

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Speaker 12: I'm just saying I do that with the jest. Say, although,

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Speaker 12: let's not bring up the Washington defense again. You've put

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Speaker 12: me done that once a show. You have to.

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Speaker 5: It's the fight club rule of being a commander's fan.

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Speaker 5: We don't talk about defense, yes, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Just offense. Just offense.

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Speaker 12: It's very happy around here. All right, college football.

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Speaker 5: You just had a great interview there, and let's talk

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Speaker 5: about Bill Belichick said to play his first game since

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Speaker 5: taking over the program, the Tar Kills both TCU Monday

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Speaker 5: Night and Jason.

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Speaker 12: As we know, Colin is off this.

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Speaker 5: Week, but his presence never far away. He was just

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Speaker 5: on the Joel Platt Show making an interesting comparison for

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Speaker 5: North Carolina.

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Speaker 8: Take a listen, forty transfers. I mean, come on, I mean,

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Speaker 8: I mean, I mean Bill was hard on his first

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Speaker 8: and second round draft picks to start, like, he liked

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Speaker 8: the draft guys, sit him, learn the system, and then

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Speaker 8: play them year two, and those were like twenty four

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Speaker 8: year old guys, and you know, like Bill rarely went

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Speaker 8: and spent big money in free agency until like that

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Speaker 8: one of those final years.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's.

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Speaker 6: Got a Colorado feel to it.

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Speaker 2: That's why it's so ironic.

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Speaker 8: They're opening with TCU, which is who Dion opened with

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Speaker 8: at Colorado.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, Dean did some amazing things his first

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Speaker 5: year right at Colorado in terms of off the field

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Speaker 5: or around the program. Got so much more excitement there,

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Speaker 5: television presence, merch ticket sales.

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Speaker 12: I think enrollment for the entire university.

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Speaker 5: System went up, you know, but he was only four

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Speaker 5: and eight.

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Speaker 12: So well, you look, it's.

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Speaker 3: About the pump and circumstances.

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Speaker 4: You get the record, right, yeah.

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Speaker 5: Whatever, Well, for Belichick, I got to think the standard's

667
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Speaker 5: a little bit higher. I mean, there were six and

668
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Speaker 5: seven without him last year. So where do you think

669
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Speaker 5: they've got it hit in his first season for him

670
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Speaker 5: not to get any four?

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Speaker 3: I mean, if they win the opener, the schedule's favorable

672
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Speaker 3: if they have Clemson. But I don't see why they

673
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 3: can't win nine games, like other than the Clemson game,

674
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 3: where are they.

675
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Speaker 4: Going to be you know, maybe going to cal Well.

676
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 3: Now they get a week off before that trip, but

677
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 3: it's not like there's even any brutal road trips there.

678
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Speaker 4: Syracuse lost their quarterback. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't see why they can't. If they go nine

680
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Speaker 3: and three or ten and two, that's a huge six huge,

681
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Speaker 3: absolutely what would be a failure?

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Speaker 4: Five five hundreds?

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00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Collin's talking about in such a huge

684
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 5: number of transfers, can you integrate them into the team.

685
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 5: And then there's the off field distractions too. This is

686
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Speaker 5: my favorite news item of the day. Non Football Division.

687
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 5: Belichick and Jordan Hudson, his lovely white young girlfriend, have

688
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Speaker 5: filed for a trademark for the phrase gold digger, what

689
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Speaker 5: specifically tell me a new line of jewelry and gold

690
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Speaker 5: related products.

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Speaker 4: Wait, come on you, it's real for.

692
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Speaker 5: Other young women who might want to bag an NFL

693
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Speaker 5: coach fifty.

694
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Speaker 12: Years older than them. She's got the jewelry for you.

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Speaker 4: Ju Wait, it's a joint They filed it jointly.

696
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,239
Speaker 5: Well, so he now has a company that she is

697
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Speaker 5: I believe the president of, or some you know, the

698
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Speaker 5: management of, and that company under her has filed for

699
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Speaker 5: the trademark gold digger, and you have to file sort

700
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Speaker 5: of what you want that expression for, right, You can't

701
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 5: just trademark gold digger in general, it's been around for

702
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 5: great exactly, but they are the first people to trade

703
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 5: get to and trademark for a jewelry line.

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Speaker 12: And you know it would.

705
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 5: Appeal to the young woman who might want to be.

706
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Speaker 12: A gold digger. I guess I don't know.

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00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 4: Wait, so you're choosing your words careful.

708
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Speaker 12: I am take a deeper recoize.

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Speaker 3: I want to hear your real thoughts because I feel

710
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 3: like you're about to unload. Listen, So how many how

711
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: many houses did he buy this one?

712
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 12: I think it was three, so festing.

713
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 3: And now he's helping her get gold jewelry.

714
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 5: I mean, there's there's been a whole bunch of sort

715
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Speaker 5: of side projects that she's financially been benefiting from.

716
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Speaker 12: Here.

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Speaker 5: Her argument would be that she is leading a charge

718
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Speaker 5: business wise for him, since he's him her.

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Speaker 12: Well again, she.

720
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Speaker 5: Would argue, yeah, so it's actually happening.

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Speaker 12: Might be a different story, That's all I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: I don't I don't know anybody who knows anybody in

723
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: a similar situation with a fifty year age gap.

724
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Speaker 4: I don't there can't be a lot of that.

725
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: But at what point did the Belichick family have to

726
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 3: be like, we need to call what's it called when

727
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 3: you call? Like the family in and surprise intervention?

728
00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: Intervention?

729
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? Could I not remember? I have Dylan McKay from

730
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 3: Nino Tuoto in my head for some reason, the Nino

731
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: Tuoto intervention from thirty years ago anywhere.

732
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Speaker 12: And Donna Martin graduates.

733
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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, classic. I just at some point do they

734
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Speaker 3: have to like get him in and be like, yo, Bill,

735
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 3: I know you you're what is it the saying you

736
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 3: can't read the in you can't read the bottle label

737
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: from inside the bottle. He's like inside this thing and

738
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 3: he doesn't really see what's going on. And Julian Edelman

739
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 3: pops in here sometimes and I'm not going to say

740
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Speaker 3: his stuff, but.

741
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Speaker 4: You know, off air, he's definitely talked about this story.

742
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 4: I'll just leave it at that. And this is a

743
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Speaker 4: tough one, man.

744
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 5: There's there's certainly been reporting without specific quotes coming from

745
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 5: family and friends, but there has been reporting with people

746
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 5: with well placed sources who have known these either high

747
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 5: ranking Patriots players or family members for a long time,

748
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 5: saying that there is concern. I mean, look, even once

749
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 5: you just first came on the scene, there's the huge

750
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 5: age difference, as you said.

751
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 12: Nearly fifty years.

752
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: Her mom is a sex shop owner. Great, the dad

753
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 5: is a retired fisherman.

754
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 12: It's just the whole, you know.

755
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 5: She, as you pointed out the other day, graduated from

756
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 5: cosmetology school as her qualification to run this business. So

757
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 5: there is to say there's some concerns as an understatement.

758
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 5: But look, Belichick, he clearly seems very happy.

759
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

760
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 3: Listen, if they get smashed by what TC, Let's say

761
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,120
Speaker 3: say they lose thirty eight ten, Oh boy, that's gonna

762
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 3: get tough for Bill. Yeah, because the obvious where's his focus?

763
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: He's always he's filing trademarks. You're going to where's the

764
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 3: football part? Yeah?

765
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Speaker 4: That Monday night? You said Monday eight o'clock. Oh boy,

766
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Speaker 4: that's it.

767
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Speaker 3: I need to make check the calendar and make sure

768
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Speaker 3: I put that in. So I'm not anywhere no basketball

769
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Speaker 3: or Monday night.

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Speaker 5: I don't like to quote Kanye these days, but you

771
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Speaker 5: know the lines holes I hate West.

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Speaker 4: I forgot about that.

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Speaker 12: I'm not saying she's a gold digger.

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Speaker 4: Ye oh, oh, we're still live on air.

775
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Speaker 3: Rachel, Oh my god, oh damn okay, Rachel with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news and thanks for stopping by the Herd.

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Speaker 3: All Right, I gotta be careful with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to.

816
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 3: Say he's fragile at the moment, but the guys had

817
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 3: a lot going on.

818
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 4: Rough rookie year.

819
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 3: There were reports that like he was watching film by himself,

820
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: Like it's just it was not a good introduction to

821
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 3: the NFL. He took sixty eight sacks last year with

822
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 3: tracks with what happened to him at USC his final year.

823
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 4: He's just trying to play backyard football, you.

824
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 3: Know, just run around and try to make a play

825
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,400
Speaker 3: Like that doesn't work in the NFL.

826
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: It just doesn't.

827
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:56,720
Speaker 3: You need to be sorry, brock perty drop back process

828
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: and fire away, like you gotta do that. Now you

829
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 3: can say, hey, party had Shanahan. This guy had a

830
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 3: clown car of coaches. Okay, fine, enter Ben Johnson. Well,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna be real with you, guys. I know Ben

832
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Speaker 3: Johnson was one of the most highly acclaimed offensive coordinators

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Speaker 3: in the last fifteen years.

834
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Speaker 4: He's certainly up.

835
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Speaker 3: There in rarefied air. He was amazing in Detroit. We

836
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,359
Speaker 3: don't know what he's like as a head coach. And

837
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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, he's doing these radio interviews, he's going

838
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 3: to the podium, and I don't see a lot of positivity.

839
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Speaker 3: So here's Ben Johnson on six seventy the score in

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Speaker 3: Chicago this week talking about the development of Killabilliams.

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Speaker 13: The standard has been set, the bar has been set high.

842
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 13: He has said that he wants to be not just

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Speaker 13: one of the best top five quarterbacks in this league,

844
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Speaker 13: but he wants to have a legacy that lasts for

845
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Speaker 13: a long time. And so we're coaching him that way.

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Speaker 13: We're approaching it that way. That's not going to change.

847
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Speaker 13: Is he going to be a finished product here year

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Speaker 13: two now. He's going to continue to get better year

849
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Speaker 13: in and year out, and and it's a process. And

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00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 13: so we're very clear on that. You know, there is

851
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 13: a little bit of great here as we as we

852
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Speaker 13: go through it. We know he's learning, he's gonna take

853
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Speaker 13: his bumps. But at the same time, as long as

854
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 13: we're not making the same mistake twice, we're gonna be

855
00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 13: right on track and we'll be just fine.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, guy, as long as we're not making

857
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,879
Speaker 3: the same mistake twice. That sounds like a message to Caleb, like, dude,

858
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: you keep making the same mistake over and over and again.

859
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm becoming body language guy or parsing words. Because

860
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 3: we're now going on nine months without football. That kind

861
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,719
Speaker 3: of thing happened on nine but close to nine months.

862
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 3: And I want Caleb to succeed. But guys, look at

863
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: like the last six years, look at how many elite

864
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 3: top ten picks I've just totally flopped. I mean, Trey

865
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: lance Is on how it has been on how many teams,

866
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson, these guys were.

867
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Speaker 4: Top five picks.

868
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: Bryce young Is, I don't want to say borrowed time,

869
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 3: but like, if he doesn't deliver, he's gonna be done.

870
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield founce around the league after a few years

871
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,760
Speaker 3: in Cleveland, Like a lot of the top picks.

872
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: Don't pan out.

873
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 3: Maybe it's not gonna be until stop two. Then you

874
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 3: add on this seth Wickersham book seth Wickersham, close to

875
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, did a book on quarterbacks, and none of

876
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 3: that stuff sounds good at all. Caleb and his family

877
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: clearly had wanted nothing to do with Chicago. They don't

878
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 3: know how to deal with quarterbacks there. They just have

879
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 3: never had a great quarterback. Who's the best quarterback in

880
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 3: Chicago Bear's recent history, Rex Grugzman, you have to go

881
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 3: back to Jim McMahon in the eighties. So like I mean,

882
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 3: I get it, but you add all this stuff up

883
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Speaker 3: the pressure of Chicago.

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Speaker 4: Listen, if he was in Jacksonville, nobody cares.

885
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Speaker 3: There's no media there, no media crush descending. And now

886
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Speaker 3: you've got a reporter, like an actual guy who covers

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Speaker 3: the team, saying Caleb is in danger of being benched

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Speaker 3: early in the season.

889
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Speaker 4: That doesn't happen.

890
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Speaker 3: Here's Steve Weisch's last hour on our show, talking about

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Speaker 3: tough love maybe between Caleb and Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 15: I didn't see Bill Belichick ever very happy. I know

893
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Speaker 15: Andy Reid's a nice guy, but he's not the most

894
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Speaker 15: jovial dude.

895
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Speaker 3: Things.

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Speaker 15: So, you know, in terms of how guys appear at

897
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Speaker 15: the press conference, I don't really know, you know, having

898
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Speaker 15: been in these situations. It's like the meeting rooms and stuff.

899
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Speaker 15: If a coach is like glazing you up or are

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Speaker 15: beating you down in front of the team in the

901
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Speaker 15: meeting rooms and really humiliating you in front of your peers,

902
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Speaker 15: that's where things really tend to ruffle feathers now. Some guys,

903
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Speaker 15: you know, get bent out of see it by what

904
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Speaker 15: you said.

905
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Speaker 6: In the media.

906
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Speaker 15: But and I don't know Ben Johnson, I've been around him,

907
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Speaker 15: but he's just an intense guy. There are intense coach

908
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Speaker 15: you've been around Sean McVay, that dude never relaxes. Now

909
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Speaker 15: he is kind of captain positive. But you know, there's

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Speaker 15: just different coaches with different styles.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a quote phrase publicly criticize privately or

912
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Speaker 3: something like that.

913
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Speaker 12: Damn it.

914
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Speaker 3: I wish i'd re memorize that. But I don't hear

915
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Speaker 3: a lot of pray from Ben Johnson. He doesn't seem happy,

916
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Speaker 3: and again, Jay, you're over exaggerating. But to Steve's point

917
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Speaker 3: about Belichick, I mean we've read stories for years about

918
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Speaker 3: how in the film room with the quarterbacks, he would say,

919
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Speaker 3: look at Tom Batch, this drow, I can get the

920
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Speaker 3: local quarterback from Foxborough High School to come out and

921
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Speaker 3: make that throw. He would say that about Brady. Now,

922
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Speaker 3: Brady ate it up and it drove him to be

923
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Speaker 3: better right and thrive as a superstar.

924
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Speaker 4: But remember Giselle, the ex wife.

925
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Speaker 3: She was getting ticked off, and there's reports, you know, hey,

926
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Speaker 3: Bell's got to lay off Tom.

927
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Speaker 4: I mean that's public.

928
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of different ways. When I hear

929
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Speaker 3: this relationship about Caleb and Ben, I think to my kids,

930
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Speaker 3: and Rachel obviously, you know, you have kids and we're

931
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Speaker 3: both you.

932
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Speaker 4: Know, dealing with the kids that are growing up.

933
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Speaker 3: And I don't.

934
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Speaker 4: Want to call Caleb Williams a kid, but he's a

935
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Speaker 4: young guy.

936
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean, look, also, Ben Johnson, I have faith in

938
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Speaker 5: him of how he's going to do as a head coach.

939
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Speaker 5: I think there's just a lot of crossover with being

940
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Speaker 5: an OC. But he is very precise. The reason we

941
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: call him the mad Scientist is because he concocts these

942
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Speaker 5: very specific plays and.

943
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Speaker 12: Very specific offensive sets.

944
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Speaker 5: So the idea that someone like Caleb, who right now

945
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Speaker 5: is much more improvisational, probably drives him crazy a little

946
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Speaker 5: bit in a way that isn't necessarily Caleb Williams's fault,

947
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Speaker 5: but it's just a clash of styles that is probably

948
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Speaker 5: adding to the fact that, as he himself pointed out,

949
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Speaker 5: Caleb is far from a finished product. And I thought

950
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Speaker 5: it was very interesting. I don't know what you thought

951
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Speaker 5: that he held Caleb Williams out of the first week

952
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 5: preseason game, and it almost seemed like, from reading between

953
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Speaker 5: the lines of what he said, he said a version

954
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Speaker 5: of a nicer version of it'd be more embarrassing for

955
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Speaker 5: him to go out there and failed than to be benched,

956
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Speaker 5: even though there was a lot of fervor around the

957
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Speaker 5: fact that he wasn't playing and a lot of people

958
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Speaker 5: accusing saying, oh, he must be terrible.

959
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Speaker 12: Oh you know. Clearly Ben Johnson thought.

960
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Speaker 5: That level of criticism was better than the little criticism

961
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Speaker 5: he would have got if he had already if he

962
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Speaker 5: had actually got on and played. So this is all

963
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Speaker 5: kind of swirling together.

964
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Speaker 3: And we saw the one video of Caleb unable to

965
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Speaker 3: throw it into a net from like what five feet away? Yeah,

966
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Speaker 3: that goes viral. People are crushing the kid. Can you

967
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Speaker 3: imagine if in week one of the preseason he vomits

968
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Speaker 3: all over himself and it's like, oh, but you know,

969
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Speaker 3: we talked about it this morning. If memory serves, Jared

970
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Speaker 3: Goff started out horribly with the Rams. Now he had

971
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Speaker 3: Jeff Fisher, who was the other Oh, Eli Manning with

972
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Speaker 3: the Giants had tough, terrible go look at the stats

973
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Speaker 3: in this first year. Yeah, he was like boot off

974
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Speaker 3: the field in New York and they were like, oh,

975
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Speaker 3: you've ruined Eli Manning.

976
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Speaker 4: These guys are tough and mentally they can bounce back.

977
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean William Williams has plenty of talent. There's

978
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Speaker 5: a reason he went where he did in the draft right,

979
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Speaker 5: and so much in professional sports, it's about that matchup

980
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 5: of fit right. Are you with the right coach at

981
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Speaker 5: the right time in your career? Are there the right

982
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 5: players around you? Talked about Jaden Daniels getting those vets

983
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Speaker 5: around him and why Washington thought that was so important.

984
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Speaker 12: With a guy like Cale Williams.

985
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Speaker 5: I think a big part of it is, is this

986
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Speaker 5: fit right with Ben Johnson.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna find out, probably sooner than later. Coming up

988
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Speaker 3: Final Hour, breaking news out of Kansas City and Brock

989
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Speaker 3: Purdy rules