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Speaker 1: about Cowboys versus Panthers.
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Speaker 1: A lot of interesting things storylines to follow there, as
Speaker 1: far as some of the players that you will see
Speaker 1: this weekend. Facing your Dallas Cowboys, we'll talk a little
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Speaker 1: how many we can get to. At some point during
Speaker 1: the show. Let's start first with a couple injuries I
Speaker 1: want to I want to talk about first, give me
Speaker 1: kind of a status on what you heard at this point.
Speaker 1: For demarveon Overshown, we already know that he's going to
Speaker 1: have to have surgery. Do we know anything more about
Speaker 1: what the actual injury is and kind of the prognosis
Speaker 1: of what that looks like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, torn ACL, torn MCL, torn PCL's. You have five
Speaker 2: major ligaments in your knee and he tore three of them.
Speaker 2: The bright side is there's no nerve damage and there's
Speaker 2: no may your structural damage aside from the ligaments. If
Speaker 2: there is a bright side to that, to that type
Speaker 2: of injury, I say.
Speaker 5: Bright side real quick. The bright side is like Jalen
Speaker 5: Smiths about to get the nerve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, and you hit it right
Speaker 2: on the head. At Jalen Smith. He had nerve damage
Speaker 2: whenever he suffered that knee injury that he had at
Speaker 2: Notre Dame right before getting drafted here. So, you know,
Speaker 2: is it something that he's going to deal with his
Speaker 2: whole career. You would have to say so, just because
Speaker 2: with the with the nature of the injury and the
Speaker 2: rehab that's going to go into it. But as far
Speaker 2: as surgery goes, I think they were trying to get
Speaker 2: surgery this week. I don't think the swelling is going
Speaker 2: to be down in time to get surgery done this week,
Speaker 2: but something that will probably happen in the coming weeks.
Speaker 2: And then once that surgery happens, you're looking at about
Speaker 2: a twelve month rehab best case scenario. Now, with it
Speaker 2: being Demarve and Overshown, I wonder how he kind of
Speaker 2: pushes the limits there on his own account and is
Speaker 2: able to get on the field a little bit earlier
Speaker 2: than maybe anticipated. You know, Mike McCarthy said yesterday that
Speaker 2: it's very realistic he missed the entire season next year.
Speaker 2: Knowing to Marvin Overshown, I'm betting on that not happening,
Speaker 2: though I wouldn't be surprised if we look up week eleven,
Speaker 2: Week twelve next year and hey, is overshown getting close
Speaker 2: and so it wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 4: But there's a lot of steps to get there. Obviously.
Speaker 4: It's it's awful.
Speaker 2: It's my first time talking about the h the injury
Speaker 2: on this show, and it's it's he's such a good dude.
Speaker 2: He helps out so many people in that locker room,
Speaker 2: he helps out us in the media, and obviously he
Speaker 2: had a fantastic season. He was on a he was
Speaker 2: on a Pro Bowl pace in my opinion. Wishing the
Speaker 2: best for him and hope that my beast Texas Brethren
Speaker 2: can can get back on the field soon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's just unfortunate.
Speaker 7: But we've seen this with him and then Britt Brown
Speaker 7: working together before and they you know, unfortunately, you know,
Speaker 7: I was watching Britt, you know, help him off the field,
Speaker 7: and I guarantee you that Britt was talking to him
Speaker 7: the whole way as they were walking, and you know,
Speaker 7: and and you know, and and I'm sure the young
Speaker 7: man had emotions and he was probably talking to Britt like, okay,
Speaker 7: here we are. This thing is probably not good. You know,
Speaker 7: we need to get a plan and and Britt will
Speaker 7: have a plan. The kid will have a plan. He's
Speaker 7: a hard worker, he's dedicated, he doesn't mistreatments. It's important
Speaker 7: to him.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: It's it's just so unfortunate that early in his career
Speaker 7: that he's had that dealt with these two types of injury.
Speaker 7: This one, this one is they call it the unhappy triad,
Speaker 7: and it is.
Speaker 3: It is tough.
Speaker 7: Uh, But you know with Britt and with his uh,
Speaker 7: with overshown's uh toughness and desire. Yeah, that they will
Speaker 7: they will find a way to get back on the field.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 3: Listening to you know, Nick and the other.
Speaker 7: Reporters asked questions yesterday, you know, they the question was
Speaker 7: talked to about Mike McCarthy. Asked Mike McCarthy about you know,
Speaker 7: do you think this that they could miss the twenty
Speaker 7: twenty five season then, you know, and Mike was you know,
Speaker 7: Mike was honest about it. He said, there's a possibility
Speaker 7: of that. But I like what Nick's saying. I like
Speaker 7: what the kid's attitude is and hopefully it's a be
Speaker 7: more sooner than later.
Speaker 2: Here we'll say one thing that he's already asking about
Speaker 2: his rehab and like what he can do to get
Speaker 2: ready for surgery and how how he can take these
Speaker 2: next few days. And he's already on top of this rehab.
Speaker 2: So that's that's that's good to hear. That's really good
Speaker 2: to hear.
Speaker 7: I think this injury happened in Navara Bowman for the
Speaker 7: for the forty nine ers linebacker at what point in
Speaker 7: his career?
Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, early on? Was this something happened?
Speaker 7: It was something in the middle, something towards the end
Speaker 7: of his career. But he he did miss the entire
Speaker 7: season and then came back for seasons after. But I
Speaker 7: was trying to think exactly, but I knew this was
Speaker 7: and I remember this being an injury that he had
Speaker 7: similar and you know, but he he did miss the
Speaker 7: entire next season but came back.
Speaker 5: And was that the one he hit that happened in
Speaker 5: the Super Bowl playoffs?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was.
Speaker 3: I think it was late, very late, very late, and yeah,
Speaker 3: very late, yeah, very late in the year.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, So I'm looking at it right here.
Speaker 2: He had he had torn his uh A CL, MCL,
Speaker 2: PCL and meniscus, so it was an added lookment that
Speaker 2: was torn for.
Speaker 5: Him and then missed the entire next year.
Speaker 2: He missed the entirety of twenty fourteen, and then in
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen he returned and was still a first team
Speaker 2: All Pro.
Speaker 5: So yeah, we go, yeah, we go.
Speaker 3: That's that. Yeah, I remember this being the injury. I
Speaker 3: didn't remember all four. I thought it was three.
Speaker 1: But yeah, And I guess the other part to that
Speaker 1: is you you like the fact, at least if you're
Speaker 1: looking for silver linings, he's a young guy. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a you know, he's a guy that attacks, you know,
Speaker 1: everything the right way. So all those things considered, there's
Speaker 1: no reason to believe that he can't come back from
Speaker 1: this and be.
Speaker 7: The I hope this is the last thing he ever
Speaker 7: has in his career. Then, yeah, he's had He's had
Speaker 7: two major injuries and very early in his career. You
Speaker 7: hate that for anybody, but maybe this is the you know,
Speaker 7: maybe this is I think this is why everybody was
Speaker 7: really emotional in the locker room. Yeah, it was a
Speaker 7: tough loss, but they also understand what that kid's gone
Speaker 7: through to get back on the field, you know, especially
Speaker 7: in that linebacker room.
Speaker 3: Mate.
Speaker 7: You know, I listened to going back and listening to
Speaker 7: Michael Parsons talk. I just felt like that the whole
Speaker 7: It was like everything that he said was.
Speaker 3: Like the whole emotion of the season.
Speaker 7: It's just coming, you know, like you know, and he's
Speaker 7: the one guy that stood up there and said, Okay,
Speaker 7: you don't believe in us, don't you know? Don't he
Speaker 7: He really put it on the line that hey, we're
Speaker 7: a good football team. You know, keep you know, if
Speaker 7: you want to jump off the bandwagon, jump off, but
Speaker 7: we're a good football team. And then when how that
Speaker 7: game went down the other night, you could just feel
Speaker 7: the injury, the loss, really the emotion of what else
Speaker 7: can go wrong in this season? It all just came out.
Speaker 7: And I think that's the point when you start to
Speaker 7: realize that no matter how hard we play or how
Speaker 7: hard do we try, this is something we're always going
Speaker 7: to have to deal with in this sport. Like I say,
Speaker 7: look at the look at the injury report for the
Speaker 7: two Super Bowl teams. There's not a person on that
Speaker 7: damn thing. You know, no one, no, everybody wants to play.
Speaker 7: Everybody wants to know you. You could be severely banged
Speaker 7: up and go play in that game. But that's sometimes
Speaker 7: how things work when you're a team that's struggling and
Speaker 7: you're losing games, and man, it just seems like the
Speaker 7: injuries do pile up on you.
Speaker 8: Well, it's very unfortunate for a guy like him, who's
Speaker 8: so liked on and off the field and everything that
Speaker 8: he was able to accomplish this year and looking at
Speaker 8: next year, such a big loss for the cowboy, especially
Speaker 8: on a year that you're struggling with cap money, you're
Speaker 8: struggling with having to fill or going to have to
Speaker 8: fill all those other needed positions, and now you're looking
Speaker 8: at the linebackers with a guy like Eric Kendricks running.
Speaker 8: I think this is his last. It was a one
Speaker 8: year deal, so again just the adding to the need
Speaker 8: of such a key player that he has been for
Speaker 8: this defense this year, and I'm just I hope that
Speaker 8: he's able to maintain the right support around him because mentally,
Speaker 8: he's shown that he's mentally tough and when you're recovering
Speaker 8: from that, I think that's something that contributes. I would
Speaker 8: contribute his fast return this year because of the mental
Speaker 8: toughness that he has and the mental like the positivity
Speaker 8: that he brings. And not to turn this back to
Speaker 8: Micah Parsons, but I thought it was very telling the
Speaker 8: way that he reacted with so many emotions and gearing
Speaker 8: teary eyes and all of that. Because we're often we
Speaker 8: often hear how so many people address Micah as someone
Speaker 8: that only cares about himself and nobody else on the team.
Speaker 8: And it just goes to show again credit to Overshown
Speaker 8: how he's been, but also impressive to see Micah in
Speaker 8: his role kind of as a leader alongside with him.
Speaker 8: Because you talk about someone that plays a similar position
Speaker 8: has started doing something similar that Micah has been doing.
Speaker 8: Sometimes you can see that as a threat, you know,
Speaker 8: but it hasn't been any of that. He has embraced
Speaker 8: that change in Overshown's game. So I thought it was
Speaker 8: very sweet and emotional to see a reaction like that
Speaker 8: and just to hear the amount of support that a
Speaker 8: guy like Overshow has.
Speaker 7: This, you know, and Nick and I will get into
Speaker 7: this in about a month with the draft. This kind
Speaker 7: of puts linebacker in a situation right now where all
Speaker 7: of a sudden, linebacker might have been something you had
Speaker 7: on the back burner, and now linebacker even with lea
Speaker 7: foul and you know, you mentioned Kendrick's being on a
Speaker 7: what you need to bring. Yeah, there's there's some things
Speaker 7: that you're probably looking at right now of whether that
Speaker 7: pick's thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, wherever that pick is, you know
Speaker 7: that there off ball linebacker is going to be in
Speaker 7: play there, you know, I mean there are a lot
Speaker 7: of positions in play. But now you're like, okay, where's
Speaker 7: the depth of this linebacker room. I mean, we've seen
Speaker 7: Dmoon Clark has been really inactive, a non factor, you know,
Speaker 7: is he part of what you're going to do? You
Speaker 7: know it doesn't appear that way, but you know, we'll
Speaker 7: see with marys Leef I having to play these these
Speaker 7: next four games, how he's going to.
Speaker 3: Play and if you know, if the play there is
Speaker 3: not what.
Speaker 7: It needs to be, I think I think off ball
Speaker 7: linebacker is clearly in the sites for Dallas Cowboys when
Speaker 7: we're picking in the first round.
Speaker 9: John Campbell, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. They can find you one. We'll
Speaker 3: find you one. This became very.
Speaker 1: A very tough, tough injury for the Cowboys in so
Speaker 1: many ways, Like you said in the locker room, as
Speaker 1: a teammate, what the play is that you get on
Speaker 1: the field, and then what you have to do next year,
Speaker 1: and it makes you really tough because, Brian, let's say,
Speaker 1: for example, you were going to go the route of
Speaker 1: we're gonna we're gonna try to address this in a
Speaker 1: draft and even take a high pick. You're using a
Speaker 1: high pick on a position that may be only a
Speaker 1: one year thing. He may come back in twenty six
Speaker 1: and he's back to normal and Marris is playing well.
Speaker 5: But you don't know.
Speaker 1: You so now you're having to use resources on something
Speaker 1: that could be over using the resources because you just
Speaker 1: don't know what it'll be like a year out.
Speaker 7: Right, Nick, we feel better right now if Zach Martin
Speaker 7: were to retire, right, we feel we all feel better
Speaker 7: about maybe the right guard position.
Speaker 3: Might be Okay, I don't think we feel this way
Speaker 3: about linebacker right now.
Speaker 5: Agreed, I don't.
Speaker 3: And that's and the depth is better.
Speaker 7: All of a sudden, everybody's like going, well, hey need
Speaker 7: an offensive lineman.
Speaker 3: Got to get it.
Speaker 7: You know you're probably gonna lose your guard, what about
Speaker 7: you know, oh this move guys right now. But the
Speaker 7: way that the depth has kind of shown up for
Speaker 7: the offensive line position since Martin has been out gives
Speaker 7: you a little bit more of a feeling of like, Okay,
Speaker 7: this could be all right. I think running backs another position.
Speaker 7: That's the same way with what you've seen from Rico Dowda.
Speaker 7: You're like, Okay, get another guy. If you want to
Speaker 7: get another guy. Maybe it doesn't have to be a
Speaker 7: first round guy. Maybe it could be a second or
Speaker 7: third round guy. But I mean, I feel better linebacker.
Speaker 7: I can't say that I feel better about the position
Speaker 7: the way it's looking right now, I can't say that.
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the Carolina Panthers. They are coached by
Speaker 1: Dave Canalis. Their record right now is three and ten,
Speaker 1: but do not be fooled by that. Uh these stats
Speaker 1: are also pretty.
Speaker 5: Bad, but do not be fooled by them.
Speaker 1: Right now point four, I'm just saying they've they've only
Speaker 1: had scored on average seventeen point nine points per game.
Speaker 5: They are twenty eighth in the NFL.
Speaker 1: Points against twenty nine point eight is what they're giving
Speaker 1: up per game. That's dead last in the NFL and
Speaker 1: points against. What for you guys stands out most about.
Speaker 4: This team their offensive line.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's not a ton of names that you
Speaker 2: might know. If you're a draft nerd, you might you
Speaker 2: might know that they're left top was the first round
Speaker 2: pick a couple of years ago, and Ekam Mgwuonu. But
Speaker 2: I you look, it's most of the kind of a
Speaker 2: ragtag group of guys, and they are nasty, they're dirty,
Speaker 2: they get after it and run block. I think a
Speaker 2: couple of them are better than others in past block.
Speaker 2: But this offensive line, I think is the strength of
Speaker 2: this team. You've seen how Chuwba Hubbard has been able
Speaker 2: to run the ball this season, and I give a
Speaker 2: lot of credit to the offensive line for him being
Speaker 2: able to do that. He's a talented runner, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't running like this whenever Carolina had these lines of
Speaker 2: the past. And they've even dealt with injuries up front
Speaker 2: and they've still gotten better as the season has gone on.
Speaker 4: I think this offensive line is a real challenge for
Speaker 4: anybody that goes up against it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's got size to it, Yeah it is. It's
Speaker 7: kind of a bully offensive line. And you mentioned there's
Speaker 7: only been really you know, three of the draft picks
Speaker 7: have been on it though. You know the first round
Speaker 7: is Nick was talking about a sixth round and then
Speaker 7: the second round. You know, Moten has played the longest
Speaker 7: there since twenty seventeen. I kind of feel like they're
Speaker 7: a little bit of a slow footed group, you know
Speaker 7: when you watch them play. I mean because they're big,
Speaker 7: but you know, when you and I've seen some like
Speaker 7: people kind of move them a little bit and make
Speaker 7: them work, you know when it comes to the quickness,
Speaker 7: and I think that's something that this group wants to
Speaker 7: beat up on you. They're going to play in condensed formations.
Speaker 7: You know, we talk about the width of formations. This
Speaker 7: team gets real tiny, and I mean they get real
Speaker 7: tiny and then they push on you, is what they do.
Speaker 7: They play a lot of bunch formations, which are the
Speaker 7: three wide receivers. There's a lot of movement to it.
Speaker 7: They've kind of figured out. It was kind of fun
Speaker 7: to watch him play. I did not go and watch
Speaker 7: when he got benched. I didn't take any of those
Speaker 7: early games. I didn't watch any of those early games
Speaker 7: they played. What's the last five games that are playing
Speaker 7: Kansas City, Tampa, Philly, you know they played much better
Speaker 7: as an offense. Hubbard running the football is going to
Speaker 7: be a challenge, especially on the edge. He's one of
Speaker 7: these guys that kind of will take the ball and
Speaker 7: move it to the outside and try and get around
Speaker 7: the corner. He's had his best games against teams that
Speaker 7: don't play very good run defense. For example, you could
Speaker 7: go back and look at him and I wrote these
Speaker 7: downs because I said, Okay, I need to see this
Speaker 7: because I went back and looked at all his carries
Speaker 7: and like he's averaging four point seven yards of carry, right,
Speaker 7: but he's bullied teams like the Giants, the Bears, Bengals, Chargers,
Speaker 7: and Vegas. These are all teams that are that are
Speaker 7: in the top ten when it comes to the worst
Speaker 7: for yards per carry. But when he's played Philadelphia, Kansas City, Tampa,
Speaker 7: the yards per carry has gone to like three and
Speaker 7: a half. So teams that are teams that all have
Speaker 7: a little bit better front seven, he's kind of struggled
Speaker 7: against the teams. Dallas is fourth worst than the league
Speaker 7: right now in yards per cary. I think it's four
Speaker 7: point eight. So now if that trend holds. You know,
Speaker 7: here it goes toop Hubbard. Could he bully a Dallas
Speaker 7: defense that's played better in the last few weeks when
Speaker 7: it comes to playing run defense. But I'll tell you
Speaker 7: where I really worry about Hubbard is after what we
Speaker 7: saw last week was Cincinnati throwing the ball to the back,
Speaker 7: I worry about this guy gets involved in the passing
Speaker 7: game too, and that's where I have some concern, not
Speaker 7: only handing him the football, but also them splitting them out.
Speaker 7: They go empty formation, split him out there, run routes
Speaker 7: with him. You know, Cincinnati kind of gave you a
Speaker 7: little bit of a blueprint of like, hey, maybe throw
Speaker 7: the back here and you can have some success.
Speaker 1: Well, but is would you say that part of the
Speaker 1: reason why maybe they had so much success Cincinnati with
Speaker 1: the running back is because they're dealing with on the
Speaker 1: back end these wide receivers that are crazy good that
Speaker 1: can kill you. Oh no, and you don't deal with
Speaker 1: that level of wide receiver this week.
Speaker 3: Listen, You're absolutely right.
Speaker 7: I just know throwing to a back is throwing to
Speaker 7: a back to me, you know, I mean, if guys
Speaker 7: can get open and separate and catch the ball, and yeah,
Speaker 7: you're right, Cincinnati's got some crazy guys. I'll say this, though,
Speaker 7: I don't know what you think about Adam. It's it's
Speaker 7: wild to watch. And Adam Thielen is a veteran guy.
Speaker 7: But they play in these condensed formations. They play bunch formations.
Speaker 7: They'll like do crazy things like with him, like they'll
Speaker 7: like bunch and they'll delay like he's gonna like he's
Speaker 7: waiting on the line, waiting the line, and things start
Speaker 7: to develop, and then you lose him and then he's
Speaker 7: running wide open across the field and then they throw
Speaker 7: him the ball and you're like going, damn, you know,
Speaker 7: we got to cover this guy. But they they've they've
Speaker 7: got some guys with Like I say, there's this Tompkins
Speaker 7: kid that they have number thirteen. Now they've thrown him
Speaker 7: four balls. He's four for four on catches in run.
Speaker 7: But he's like the pop pass guy. He's like the
Speaker 7: turpin dude, you know, like he comes in motion, he goes,
Speaker 7: he goes out, he comes back in They book pop
Speaker 7: pass it to him.
Speaker 3: He got Kansas City a couple of times on that
Speaker 3: and you're wondering, like.
Speaker 7: Okay, if misdirection pop pass misdirection, wide wide receiver delay.
Speaker 7: Their offense seems to be a little bit more comfortable
Speaker 7: now kind of doing and I don't call it tricks,
Speaker 7: but it's ways to kind of to make the quarterback.
Speaker 7: He's thrown for like two hundred and fifty yards in
Speaker 7: these last three games, you know, throwing the ball down
Speaker 7: the field. He's been more accurate. There's the yards per attempt,
Speaker 7: He's handled pressure better. There's a lot of things the
Speaker 7: last several weeks about Bryce Young in this offense that
Speaker 7: I think Carolina has to be.
Speaker 3: They like to be, have to be. Okay, that's what's
Speaker 3: kept him in some of these games.
Speaker 2: I think that time off did a lot for him,
Speaker 2: and you see kind of a different layer of understanding
Speaker 2: for Bryce Young. It seems to be a lot slower
Speaker 2: for him since coming off that break that he had
Speaker 2: as a starter. I think he's starting to stamp his
Speaker 2: place back as.
Speaker 4: Being the guy there.
Speaker 2: But you're talking about the receiver group. I feel like
Speaker 2: I've been saying this every week. There's probably two guys
Speaker 2: that I think would be the second best receiver on
Speaker 2: this team right now, and that's Adam Theelen and Xavier Languet.
Speaker 2: And I would almost factor Jalen Cocher into that equation
Speaker 2: as well. Jalen Coker an undrafted guy out of Holy Cross.
Speaker 2: He was a Shrine Bowl guy. I hear it here
Speaker 2: in Frisco last year, and he's been he has been
Speaker 2: banged up a little bit. He's becoming a fan favorite
Speaker 2: for the Panthers. I mean, he's he's made big plays,
Speaker 2: he's a he's one of the guys that talks more
Speaker 2: in the locker room than anybody. Also, the Panthers just
Speaker 2: have a ton of media access as well.
Speaker 4: A lot of these guys.
Speaker 2: It feels like they talked during the week, just kind
Speaker 2: of going back and looking at what they do. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a no, no, no, it's a little bit uh yeah.
Speaker 2: They are able to h they are able to uh
Speaker 2: video in the locker room.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, damn, but yeah, but I think, yeah,
Speaker 4: exactly exactly. I think, uh.
Speaker 2: I think with this receiver group though, I think I
Speaker 2: think you keep an eye on a few of these guys.
Speaker 4: And then Jatavian Sanders.
Speaker 2: I hate to do this to you, Derek, but I'm
Speaker 2: not a huge fan of Datavian Sanders. I loved his
Speaker 2: potential in college. I just don't think he's an NFL athlete.
Speaker 2: You see him be able to bully guys at the
Speaker 2: tighten position, and I think in those in that close range,
Speaker 2: within like the five to ten yard range, he can
Speaker 2: really make Uh, he can really pick up some yardage.
Speaker 2: But he's not going to be that run after the
Speaker 2: catch guy. He's not going to be the guy that
Speaker 2: separates on routes. Uh, he's just gonna be He's gonna
Speaker 2: try to over physical you and try to try to
Speaker 2: basically man balls away from you.
Speaker 4: Out It is as it is it is. And then
Speaker 4: you know, I have I have to talk about Jonathan
Speaker 4: Brooks to tearing his a c L once again. He's
Speaker 4: another Texas guy.
Speaker 2: Overshon is not the only one that's that's dealing with
Speaker 2: back to back torn a c L. So, uh, shout
Speaker 2: out to Jonathan Brooks as well.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 7: You know, David Moore too, has been a guy they
Speaker 7: got from Tampa Bay and he thought he was a writer. Yeah,
Speaker 7: this one, this one can make contests to catches. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 7: this one right here can make no. But they've got
Speaker 7: it's kind of a sneaky group, it really really and
Speaker 7: they and they have played better. I was watching the
Speaker 7: games I the first part of that season that that's
Speaker 7: a train wreck what was going on there. And but
Speaker 7: they are, they are playing better football offensively, and they're
Speaker 7: going to they're going to to challenge you because of
Speaker 7: I always say this, how tight they play the condensed formations,
Speaker 7: and they're gonna make you chase guys. If you're gonna
Speaker 7: play man coverage, they're gonna make you chase them. And
Speaker 7: they're gonna they're gonna test you a little bit with that,
Speaker 7: with the way that they play their routes or use
Speaker 7: their routes.
Speaker 1: When you talk about chub Chewba Hubbard, Yeah, what makes
Speaker 1: him so tough as a running.
Speaker 2: Back, He's built low on the ground, He's he's tough
Speaker 2: to bring down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's really tough.
Speaker 2: If he gets lower than you at the at the
Speaker 2: point of attack, he's gonna he's gonna power through you.
Speaker 2: And uh, he's just a tough guy to bring down.
Speaker 2: The veteran presence that he brings. You're starting to see
Speaker 2: what the experience in the league has done for him
Speaker 2: over the last couple of years, because I think early
Speaker 2: in his career he underwhelmed quite a bit. But I
Speaker 2: think these last couple of years, he's starting to really
Speaker 2: put it together, so much so that they've given him
Speaker 2: a contract, even despite drafting Jonathan Brooks in the second round.
Speaker 2: I think experience has done so much for him. But
Speaker 2: he's just a physical guy. He's tough to bring down.
Speaker 2: It's really good between the tackles and with this offensive line,
Speaker 2: it makes a lot of sense why he's having the
Speaker 2: year he's having.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Like I say that between the tackles outside, it's
Speaker 7: the Cowboys have faced some of his very similar tight backs,
Speaker 7: the mixing guys like that that play. You know, they're powerful.
Speaker 7: They when you hit them, they can bounce off them.
Speaker 7: You know, you got to wrap this guy up. I
Speaker 7: just think that to me when and usually with these
Speaker 7: backs I kind of look and see, Okay, how are
Speaker 7: they in blitz pick up?
Speaker 3: How are they passed protect? This guy didn't give up
Speaker 3: any sacks, you know.
Speaker 7: So that just tells you right there that either they
Speaker 7: get him involved with the routes, but when he has
Speaker 7: to blitz protect or pass protect, can could be a
Speaker 7: complete guy. Catch the football, run the ball, block those
Speaker 7: kinds of guys you absolutely love to.
Speaker 1: Have every offensive line, no matter how good has a
Speaker 1: weak point. Obviously, you guys like this offensive line. If
Speaker 1: you were going to attack them defensively and figure out
Speaker 1: where you can get pass rush, where would you attack them?
Speaker 2: I would say the interior. But I I really do
Speaker 2: feel like there's a way to attack and pass rush
Speaker 2: with just about all these guys I'm confident in and
Speaker 2: being able to get around the right tackle Taylor Motone.
Speaker 4: How you say it, Moto Moton, But I think you're.
Speaker 5: Saying you don't think they can get around him.
Speaker 7: He's given up the most sacks. Oh you can't get
Speaker 7: around Yeah he has. He's given up five.
Speaker 2: Man pff and next gen they need to have like
Speaker 2: a merger because this is the social zero for ye know.
Speaker 4: He's moo.
Speaker 7: They say that he's given up the most sacks is
Speaker 7: what is what he said? But you, like I said,
Speaker 7: and I think where you're absolutely right about this. This
Speaker 7: this this offensive line is big and there and there.
Speaker 7: That's where I think to me, you know, Robert hunt
Speaker 7: inside has had some he's had some issues. Like you're watching,
Speaker 7: like quickness gets him. I think movement and I think
Speaker 7: the one thing Dallas does have with their with their
Speaker 7: defensive line is movement with with Osa, you know with
Speaker 7: micah uh even even Golston has a little bit of
Speaker 7: movement to him. I would not be surprised if you see,
Speaker 7: like the Dallas get their twist game going back with this,
Speaker 7: you know, trying to find some.
Speaker 3: Ways maybe they're they're they're way of funny. And you
Speaker 3: know when teams now.
Speaker 7: Have the way they blocking Dallas with they have the
Speaker 7: the you know, the the the double a gap blitz.
Speaker 7: You know, teams were putting tight ends and stuff and
Speaker 7: backs and setting them up, you know, tight to the
Speaker 7: line and protect. Carolina does it a little bit different way.
Speaker 7: They put the two tight ends in the backfield and
Speaker 7: then they put the back like an epistol formation, and
Speaker 7: so they have like three in the backfield like an
Speaker 7: inverted wishbone, and then what happens at snap They just
Speaker 7: step up, they go play action off it, and then
Speaker 7: but they have the guys to kind of yeah, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 7: I mean, but but it's like that, it's like two
Speaker 7: tight ends and then the back and the pistol and
Speaker 7: then they step up and protect.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's saying Carolina.
Speaker 7: Does something very similar, and I think that's how teams
Speaker 7: are handling Dallas's double a gap. Look, so this is
Speaker 7: where now I feel like that, Okay, if people are
Speaker 7: trying to block you that way, that means that they're
Speaker 7: they're they're worried about uh, they're worried about UH. When
Speaker 7: you get Kendricks and at the time overshown in those
Speaker 7: I just really think, yeah, I feel like that. I
Speaker 7: feel like that any one of these spots at the
Speaker 7: tackle spot could be really really good for the couch.
Speaker 7: But I would say the movement is going to be
Speaker 7: the most important. How do you get how do you
Speaker 7: get these guys going one way and take them back
Speaker 7: the other with a rush or make these guys want
Speaker 7: they leave their tackles one on one eighty percent of
Speaker 7: the game I went back. I'm like, it doesn't like
Speaker 7: they're getting any help. I think it was eighty one
Speaker 7: eighty two percent of these tackles. So they're trying to
Speaker 7: help inside more than they are on the outside. So
Speaker 7: try and find a way to win one on one
Speaker 7: to get some of these slower footed these offensive linemen.
Speaker 5: All right, let's take our final break.
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Speaker 5: All right, I have a question for you, guys. Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: Back when he was in college, his legs for you,
Speaker 1: he was and that's where I was going. It was
Speaker 1: like back then his legs were a problem. Yeah, Is
Speaker 1: that as much of a problem at this point in
Speaker 1: the NFL, or is that something where he's kind of
Speaker 1: calmed that a little bit and then it's more about
Speaker 1: him trying to throw from the pocket and maybe move
Speaker 1: around some But is he is he really as dynamic
Speaker 1: running the ball as he was in college.
Speaker 2: Just from my perspective, I feel like last year he
Speaker 2: tried early on to carry that athleticism over and defenses
Speaker 2: were just attacking him. He really have the offensive line
Speaker 2: around him to be able to accommodate for that, and
Speaker 2: he got swarmed as a result, and I think it
Speaker 2: kind of killed his confidence from an athleticism standpoint, because
Speaker 2: I think you saw him earlier in the year being
Speaker 2: not necessarily an entire statue, but more of a statue
Speaker 2: than what he had been in the past, and then
Speaker 2: you see That's what I more so say about. I
Speaker 2: think that time off did a lot for him because
Speaker 2: he went back to the sideline, and I think since
Speaker 2: he's come back into the game, he started to be
Speaker 2: a little bit more athletic. Granted, I don't think he's
Speaker 2: going to be that guy that takes off for a
Speaker 2: thirty yard run. I don't think he's necessarily that right now,
Speaker 2: but I think he is a guy that can get
Speaker 2: outside of the pocket, throw on the run, and make
Speaker 2: some really impressive throws downfield like he did at Alabama.
Speaker 4: He's on the upper trajectory.
Speaker 2: I think he came into the league and just went down, down, down,
Speaker 2: And I think he's starting to come back up a
Speaker 2: little bit. You're starting to see the bright spots of
Speaker 2: Bryce Young and his athleticism. His mobility will always have
Speaker 2: to be a part of that because of the size
Speaker 2: that he is. If his athleticism and his mobility is
Speaker 2: taken out of the equation, he is not the quarter
Speaker 2: that was selected first overall last year.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I think the thing when you watch him play that
Speaker 7: there's now a little bit more of a willingness too
Speaker 7: if things. Especially watching the Kansas City game, they were
Speaker 7: the way they played, like man coverage and stuff, and
Speaker 7: he was he was seeing like he would go back
Speaker 7: and then he would see a gap and he would
Speaker 7: just take off. You know, It's like okay, then you know,
Speaker 7: get what you can get down on the ground. I
Speaker 7: think they're kind of encouraging him to use his legs more. Uh,
Speaker 7: he does have the ability. He's a slippery player though
Speaker 7: when you watch him play, you know, I mean at Alabama.
Speaker 3: He was amazing.
Speaker 7: We were just joking about the the Texas game and
Speaker 7: how he saved that game in Austin one time. Just
Speaker 7: duck it, you know, just he's dead to rights and
Speaker 7: he ducks it and then next thing you know, he's
Speaker 7: up the sidelines and there in field goal range. But
Speaker 7: that's he he has that kind of ability. He is
Speaker 7: so small though when you watch him play, I mean
Speaker 7: he is like you look at Joe Burrow and others
Speaker 7: of the guys that they play and he and then
Speaker 7: you watch this guy and he's just like so small
Speaker 7: out there, but you know they're he's throwing the ball better.
Speaker 7: He's he's he's more confident in him throwing the ball.
Speaker 7: He's confident what he's seeing. He is a different quarterback
Speaker 7: than what the Cowboys you know, faced last year at
Speaker 7: this time.
Speaker 8: Yeah, quick question, since I'm trying to wrap my head
Speaker 8: around like what this matchup or how this matchup is
Speaker 8: going to look like.
Speaker 3: You're winning a half point dogs in this.
Speaker 8: One, especially with like overshown being out and how the defense,
Speaker 8: how that's going to affect the defense. I feel like
Speaker 8: we never really got a chance to talk about Trevon
Speaker 8: and Duran Blam back together and how they looked on
Speaker 8: the field like after the game, and that was something
Speaker 8: we were waiting for for a while, so we kind
Speaker 8: of mentioned it a little bit. But how'd you feel
Speaker 8: about like their coverage overall and working together.
Speaker 4: I think they had a Jamar Chase problem, yeah, but
Speaker 4: other than that, it was.
Speaker 5: By the way the NFL has Chase.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 7: No, he was ten to twelve against all receipt all
Speaker 7: cornerbacks that played against Smith this past weekend.
Speaker 2: I think whatever you look at Deron Bland, I was
Speaker 2: getting ready postgame to write about how his coverage skills
Speaker 2: have just taken off this year and it's been significantly
Speaker 2: better than when he was, you know, being that pick
Speaker 2: six machine last year, because I think it was more
Speaker 2: so boom or bust with Deron Bland at times last year,
Speaker 2: whereas I feel like this time around, we're not calling
Speaker 2: his name as much for a good reason because he's
Speaker 2: not getting thrown at that often. I was getting ready
Speaker 2: to do that until he gave up the game winning
Speaker 2: touchdown and then I was like, Okay, maybe we'll save
Speaker 2: that for next week. So it's all that timing with
Speaker 2: Trayvon Diggs that he played a ton of snaps.
Speaker 4: He looked healthy doing so.
Speaker 2: I think this Jamar Chase issue was just I didn't
Speaker 2: see them playing bad on him. I really didn't see
Speaker 2: them having bad coverage on Jamar Chase. I just saw
Speaker 2: a better quarterback receiver connection. I mean, those two guys
Speaker 2: are so locked in. It felt like every time that
Speaker 2: Chase got a reception that he had a corner draped
Speaker 2: over him each time. It wasn't like the run after
Speaker 2: catch really came until that very last catch that was
Speaker 2: a bad play by Deron Bland. He oversold it and
Speaker 2: then he got turned around and it was gone from there.
Speaker 2: You take that play out of the equation. The run
Speaker 2: after the catch wasn't really there for Chase because he
Speaker 2: had a corner on him each time. I think Burrow
Speaker 2: is just so precisely accurate, and Chase has strong hands,
Speaker 2: and that connection is so good that it would have
Speaker 2: been really difficult to stop Jamar Chase from so good
Speaker 2: practice for.
Speaker 8: The receivers you're gonna face this week.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and this receiver crew is definitely not as good,
Speaker 2: but I think there are still some guys good.
Speaker 1: Your defensive backs can match up with it.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, Okay.
Speaker 7: I think Cincinnati went into this game playing these guys
Speaker 7: thinking they could not play.
Speaker 3: The out routes.
Speaker 7: I think I think I think I think Cincinnati said
Speaker 7: Dallas cannot will not drive on the ball on the outside,
Speaker 7: because you look at all the routes, you know, it
Speaker 7: was the next gen had it the most most receptions
Speaker 7: on out routes in years was in.
Speaker 3: This football game. That his ability.
Speaker 7: And then it's like when they were playing zone, they
Speaker 7: were running out routes. When they went man, they took
Speaker 7: him inside. It's like Cincinnati had a plan for how
Speaker 7: they were going to attack Dallas in this game. They
Speaker 7: probably I can say, look at the number of routes
Speaker 7: that he caught, there were out routes, because that's that's
Speaker 7: really That's how it was.
Speaker 15: Like.
Speaker 7: When I went back, I'm like, God, it's it is.
Speaker 7: You watched the Tate out and out and out silent out.
Speaker 7: You know, it's like Dallas would lose him and and
Speaker 7: it's and it they they've obviously felt like that.
Speaker 3: I'd love to be able to talk to somebody.
Speaker 7: In Cincinnati and say, did you guys feel like that
Speaker 7: Dallas could not defend the outs? And I would be
Speaker 7: interesting to see because the majority of his catches were
Speaker 7: the out routes and stuff like that. Dallas did not
Speaker 7: play those very very well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a question from Dave Diagostino. He says,
Speaker 1: what happened in to Montclark.
Speaker 4: Lost confidence with the coaching staff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he lost confidence with the coaching staff. His snap
Speaker 2: started getting taken away and overshown. Emergence was obviously very notable.
Speaker 2: And then Leah foul passed him up as well, and
Speaker 2: at that point there wasn't really a spot to keep
Speaker 2: him around. And if John Fossil was gonna get either
Speaker 2: Nick Vigil or Damont Clark on special teams, he would
Speaker 2: have taken Vigil ten times out of ten. So he
Speaker 2: lost confidence early on. He was missing run gaps. His
Speaker 2: gap discipline was not strong early in those games we're
Speaker 2: talking about in those first three games, whenever they were
Speaker 2: giving up mountains of rushing yards. You look at de
Speaker 2: Moont Clark and where he was in those situations. It
Speaker 2: wasn't great. Granted he wasn't he wasn't benefited by the
Speaker 2: defensive line in front of him.
Speaker 4: They were not helping him by any means. But he
Speaker 4: lost confidence with his coaching staff very very soon, very
Speaker 4: early on.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be very telling as we
Speaker 1: go over the next few games. If da Mont Clark
Speaker 1: is either inactive or active and not playing very much
Speaker 1: on defense, that's gonna tell you a whole.
Speaker 5: Bunch about it.
Speaker 1: At this point, where he is this team and what
Speaker 1: the expectations are for the offseason.
Speaker 2: I would assume he'd be active since overshown is now
Speaker 2: out of the equation. I would assume that they would
Speaker 2: bring up a linebacker from the practice squad that they
Speaker 2: would sign, and he would be the new inactive guy
Speaker 2: just to be around. I brock Mugenson as a guy,
Speaker 2: he's undrafted out of South South Dakota.
Speaker 4: He's he's around.
Speaker 2: But you also have Darius Harris that's that's still on
Speaker 2: the practice squad as well.
Speaker 4: Maybe he's the guy that gets assigned.
Speaker 2: Actually, Okay, but Dumont Clark, Yeah, yeah, You're gonna learn
Speaker 2: a lot about where he stands with this coaching staff
Speaker 2: in the next cus.
Speaker 7: Circle back real quick about the Chase conversation. I found
Speaker 7: the clip Jamar Chase hauled in nine of his eleven
Speaker 7: targets on outbreaking routes for one hundred and twenty two
Speaker 7: yards and two touchdowns, the most receiving yards on outbreaking
Speaker 7: routes over the last seven seasons.
Speaker 4: I'm writing that down. Good stuff Brian brought us.
Speaker 7: There's there's something that they clearly felt like that Dallas
Speaker 7: could not defend balls that were going going outside. Now,
Speaker 7: maybe things going inside breaking routes, driving on the ball
Speaker 7: and stuff, but nine of his nine of his eleven
Speaker 7: targets and.
Speaker 3: He had he had fourteen targets overall.
Speaker 7: Uh so you know that are actually fourteen receptions for
Speaker 7: one hundred and seventy seven yards, So nine of the
Speaker 7: fourteen work came on those on those routes.
Speaker 3: So there there was clearly something.
Speaker 7: That they saw that Dallas couldn't handle that way.
Speaker 5: Ye all right, that is a rap. We will be
Speaker 5: back on. Yeah, I got too.
Speaker 1: This is we'll be back tomorrow. We will get into
Speaker 1: the Carolina. Yeah, we get Carolina. We'll get to the
Speaker 1: Carolina defense versus the Cowboys offense. Until then, for Nick Harris,
Speaker 1: Brian brought us a We're gonna see I'm Derek Heiltson.
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