1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Hey, guys, ready or not, twenty twenty four is here, 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: and we here at breaking points, are already thinking of 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: ways we can up our game for this critical election. 4 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:11,760 Speaker 2: We rely on our premium subs to expand coverage, upgrade 5 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 2: the studio ad staff, give you, guys, the best independent coverage. 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 3: That is possible. 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,319 Speaker 2: If you like what we're all about, it just means 8 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 2: the absolute world to have your support. 9 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 3: But enough with that, let's get to the show. 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: Speaking of I guess expanding the math, Kamala Harris was 11 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: down in Texas for a big rally with Beyonce and 12 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,680 Speaker 1: also with Michelle Obama trying to boost Colin Alright's chances 13 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 1: in the Senate against Ted Cruz. 14 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 4: Michelle Obama, kind of following. 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: In our husband's footsteps, had some very specific messaging towards men. 16 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to a little bit of that. 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 5: But see anyone out there thinking about sitting out this 18 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 5: election or voting for Donald Trump or a third party 19 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 5: candidate in protests because you're fed up. 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: Let me warn. 21 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 5: You, your rage does not exist in a vacuum. If 22 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,640 Speaker 5: we don't get this election right, your wife, your daughter, 23 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,680 Speaker 5: your mother, we as women will become collateral damage to 24 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 5: your rage. 25 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 4: Are you, as men prepared. 26 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 5: To look into the eyes of the women and children 27 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 5: you love and tell them that you supported this assault 28 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 5: on our safety and to the women listening, we have 29 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 5: every right to demand that the men in our lives do. 30 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:32,320 Speaker 4: Better by us. 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 5: We have to and how it will affect every single 32 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 5: woman in your life. Your girlfriend could be the one 33 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 5: in legal jeopardy if she needs a pill from out 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 5: of state or overseas, or if she has to travel 35 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 5: across state lines because the local clinic closed up. Your 36 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 5: wife or mother could be the ones at higher risk 37 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 5: of dying from undiagnosed cervical cancer because they have no 38 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 5: access to. 39 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 4: Regular gynecological care. 40 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 5: Your daughter could be the one too terrified to call 41 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 5: the doctor if she's bleeding during an unexpected pregnancy. And 42 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 5: this will not just affect women, It will affect you 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 5: and your sons. The devastating consequences of teen pregnancy won't 44 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 5: just be born by young girls, but also by the 45 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 5: young men who are the fathers. They too will have 46 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 5: their dreams of going to college, their entire future is 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 5: totally upended by an unwanted pregnancy, her pressure dropping as 48 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 5: she loses more and more blood or some unforeseen infection spreads, 49 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 5: and her doctors aren't sure if they can act. You 50 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 5: will be the one praying that it's not too late. 51 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 5: You will be the one pleading for somebody, anybody, to 52 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 5: do something. And then there is the tragic but very 53 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 5: real possibility that in the worst case scenario, you just 54 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 5: might be the one holding flowers at the funeral. You 55 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,920 Speaker 5: might be the one left to raise your children alone. 56 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 6: Do not put our lives in the hands of politicians, 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,080 Speaker 6: mostly men who have no clue or do not care 58 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 6: about what we as women are going through. 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: So there were kind of two parts of that message. 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:25,640 Speaker 1: The first part where she's very like, you know, you 61 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:29,000 Speaker 1: have every reason women to expect your men to do better, 62 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: and then you need to do better. The second part, 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: I think much more effective, where she's like personalizing it 64 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: and talking about some of the most dire consequences of 65 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: losing the right to abortion care. But I mean, listen, 66 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that when you're out there tell it 67 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: on this issue, right, we know that this is not 68 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: the number. 69 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 3: One she's for men, right, literally not the number. 70 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: One, And so I don't even know if this message 71 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: really is for men. But it comes off it's similar 72 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: to Obama's of like, you know, lecturing. 73 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 3: Hectoring and lecturing this Las Obamas. 74 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: Like you're thinking about this wrong, et cetera, and so, 75 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: like I said, the second part of that, I think 76 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: is actually very effective. I think it's consistent with like 77 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: the way Kamala Harris has talked about abortion, how some 78 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: of the most effective surrogates have talked about these specific 79 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: consequences which we have seen, and the way that yes, 80 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: if you're a man, this could affect somebody you love 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: in your life. 82 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: I think that's effective. 83 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: I think anytime you go on on the direction of 84 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: like could even be construed as lecturing, I think you're 85 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: on very shaky grounds. 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's why I was, like, I was honestly 87 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 2: so pissed off by it, because I just hate this 88 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: hectoring and lecturing, specifically from the Obamas, where you have 89 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,160 Speaker 2: these people who are in charge of the country for 90 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 2: eight years and then this, you know, as the male 91 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 2: shift has happened, and there's a lot of reasons as 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,040 Speaker 2: to why, but abortion is a key reason why a 93 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 2: lot of women are voting, and there's absolutely nothing wrong 94 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 2: with that. But this whole like we have reason to 95 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 2: expect better from the men in our lives, and it's 96 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 2: you know what, does she say, the consequences of your rage? 97 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: The thing is, and we just had a whole conversation 98 00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: about this with the Trump thing. Whenever people are mad, 99 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 2: validating why they are, specifically in a small deed democratic 100 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 2: context is really important. Dismissing and saying you're wrong is 101 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: quite literally one of the most least effective political strategies 102 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 2: that is out there. So in general, being in the 103 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,360 Speaker 2: position of lecturing people, especially from the heights of people 104 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: were in charge of the country, just completely like counterproductive. Now, 105 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 2: the latter part of that message, I agree. I mean, 106 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,840 Speaker 2: that's one of those where the most effective abortion ads 107 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: I've seen is when it's a couple and was that 108 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: I forget the people who work spoke at the DNC 109 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: and there was a man and wife and she had 110 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: she needed like an abortion or something, and then the 111 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 2: doctors denied her one. 112 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 3: She was left with consequences for that. 113 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 4: And he's it was a Texas. 114 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: One and he's all the husbands up there being like 115 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 2: my wife and I wanted more children, and this is 116 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: a I mean, that's a powerful ad. That's a family 117 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 2: ad that's one that looks at you know, as a unit. 118 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 2: This was very much like kind of both pitting men 119 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: and women against each other, but more importantly it was 120 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: lecturing against the men. And so I think that the 121 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 2: most effective is to message like to that unit as 122 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 2: a family specifically people were in a marriage, and you know, 123 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 2: it really also celebrated this this this like hyper individualism, 124 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: which is connect you know, that whole teen pregnancy message. 125 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: I don't even necessarily disagree. It's more just like putting 126 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 2: it in that way is I think quite gross, and 127 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,840 Speaker 2: it's like all of them which part, just the part 128 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 2: was like, oh, their lives will be ruined by having 129 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: a baby. I just think that's I don't know that 130 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: to me, that one it reads wrong just because it 131 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: very much looks at as like as as something that 132 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,479 Speaker 2: will quote ruin your life, and there are a lot 133 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: of consequences teen pregnancy, et cetera. But I just think 134 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: talking about it in that way very much like centering 135 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 2: the teenager and the teenage girl and boy and like 136 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 2: their ability to go on and like do whatever they 137 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 2: want and this like individualism that kind of does validate 138 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 2: some of the pro life way that people criticize. 139 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: But I don't know the whole thing to me just 140 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 3: read wrong. 141 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: The best part of their message is just trying to 142 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 2: message to people as a unit and why it's consequential 143 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 2: for you. But outside of that, lecturing and putting people 144 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 2: against each other I always think is the wrong move. 145 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Kalin Harris actually did a very good job at the 146 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: debate talking about this, and you know she she had 147 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: those specifics. I mean, one of the most effective ads 148 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: we've ever seen on the topic of abortion was the 149 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: young woman in Kentucky who had been raped repeatedly by 150 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 1: her stepfather and who said, listen, I would not have 151 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: had the ability to have choices if it was you know, 152 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: Daniel Cameron, who was the one who was running for governor, 153 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 1: and you end up with a Democrat winning the state 154 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: of Kentucky focused on an issue of abortion. So so yeah, 155 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: that part of the message I do think is very effective, 156 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: but the other part not so much. The same time, 157 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: we got a little hot mic moment from Kamala Harris. 158 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: She's at a bar with Gretchen Whitmer and seems to 159 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: get caught saying something like, you know, we need to 160 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: make up ground with male voters. And then she says like, oh, 161 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: there's microphones around ship. Lol, let's take a listen to 162 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:03,960 Speaker 1: how this all went down. 163 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, oh we have microphones and listening to everything. 164 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 5: I didn't realize that, Okay, Weds, I just told the 165 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 5: family secret ship. 166 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 7: Anyway. 167 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, so the audio is muffled. But yeah, basically we 168 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 3: need to move. 169 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 4: Ground, move ground among that. 170 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: Okay. 171 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, so anyway, some indication that they which I mean 172 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: we've seen. Actually she's doing a podcast. 173 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: It's no secret. It makes it's not a secret. 174 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:43,559 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean to hear her acknowledge it. 175 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: Whatever. 176 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 4: It's a thing. Right, she got caught saying something she 177 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 4: didn't mean to say publicly. This is the thing. 178 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: But yeah, she's doing the Shannon Sharp podcast today Club 179 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: Club Chase. So we'll take a listen to that tonight. 180 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 1: And she's you know, enlisted. I guess Tim Walls is 181 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: playing mad Football on Twitch. 182 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, although that was a bomb only they didn't have 183 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,320 Speaker 2: that many streamers on it. Really, this isn't like Tim 184 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,920 Speaker 2: Wall's derangements and so subjectively it was like ten thouts, 185 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:11,520 Speaker 2: which I mean we you know, we get more. 186 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:12,679 Speaker 3: On that than our live streams. 187 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 4: It's not impressed those are not impressed it. 188 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: She's made a number of conservative efforts to try to 189 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: go into more mail spaces and you know, put out 190 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: surguts that she thinks will be effective, et cetera. So 191 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: clearly they realize this is an area that they've got 192 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 1: to shore up in order to be to prevail on 193 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 1: election day. 194 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 2: Yes, either, I don want to get to a clip 195 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 2: to talking of so many I referenced earlier. Here is 196 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 2: John Fetterman talking to a New York Times reporter on 197 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: their podcast specifically about that cultural phenomenon I referenced earlier, 198 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 2: and explaining to her what truck nuts are. 199 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. 200 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 8: You know, I I'll never forget. I lived directly across 201 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 8: the street from the steel Mill and we were doing 202 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 8: an event there for Clinton, and I asked the Union President. 203 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 8: I'm like, hey, where we are on Trump? And he's like, yeah, 204 00:10:05,280 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 8: probably half or sixty percent two thirds are voting for him. 205 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 8: And I was like, Oh, that sucks. And then immediately 206 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 8: there was a guy getting off and he had a 207 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 8: truck and he had truck nuts on it. You know 208 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 8: what truck nuts are? 209 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:21,319 Speaker 9: Do? 210 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 3: I look like I know what? 211 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's ball hung on the hitch of a truck 212 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 8: and he honked and he was like, oh Trump as 213 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 8: he drove by, and it's like, hey, we're in trouble. 214 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it does not surprise me that the truck nuts 215 00:10:37,120 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 1: guys are for Trump. I actually respect the fact that 216 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:42,839 Speaker 1: she was like, do I look like do I look 217 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: like the kind of person who knows. 218 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 4: What truck nuts? 219 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I weur suit every day. 220 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 2: I don't know what trucknuts are, right, I guess I 221 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 2: was raised in Texas. You know, I remember the first 222 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 2: time I ever saw a pair. I don't know, I 223 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 2: mean to me culturally, I think that was important. And look, 224 00:10:58,520 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: you can give it to Fetterman and he did win 225 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: state by five. He says that they're in trouble. What 226 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: else did he say? He said, he's like the level 227 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 2: of Trump support is astonishing. I believe that was the 228 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:09,559 Speaker 2: word that he used specifically where he lives, you know, 229 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh so or in that in the Steel area, 230 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: which is interesting. I'm curious, like there's been a this 231 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: is pure Pa politics. Yeah, Harris just recently released an 232 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 2: ad like centering herself around the city of Philadelphia. Yeah, 233 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:27,599 Speaker 2: and it was like celebrating Philly and I was like 234 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 2: an Eagles game, but I was like, you know, culturally, 235 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,160 Speaker 2: this is very interesting because there is like such a 236 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 2: massive cultural divide between Philly the mainline suburbs. You know, 237 00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 2: you've got the urban population, you've got the white college educated, 238 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: the celebration of the city of Philadelphia, and then you've 239 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 2: got Pittsburgh and all the other areas so they're a 240 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,480 Speaker 2: rural and pa that are much more like culturally conservative. 241 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,480 Speaker 2: So it does seem like there are picking sides. I'm 242 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 2: not sure which way it's going to go. 243 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: Well, Pittsburgh is also quite democratic. The city itself and 244 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: the surrounding suburbs are quite you know democratic in general. 245 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean between Philly and Pittsburgh, you have 246 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: a lot of rural, very conservative areas. 247 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: They call it like Pencil Tucky. 248 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: And yeah, remember after when Hillary was running in twenty sixteen, 249 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: wasn't it Schumer that said that thing about like for 250 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: every person we lose in rural Pennsylvania, were going to 251 00:12:18,400 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: pick up two in the suburbs and didn't work out 252 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: for Hillary, but a it worked out for Joe Biden 253 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 254 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:25,679 Speaker 4: It may well work out for Kalma Harris this time. 255 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 9: Around. 256 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 1: We'll see if that electoral calculation has has blossomed for them. 257 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:34,079 Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess a real cultural divide on display 258 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 1: there between the New York Times lady and John Fetterman. 259 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 2: Absolutely all right. Last part is Beyonce also was at 260 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: that event. Let's take a listen to what she had 261 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: to say. 262 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 7: I'm not here as a politician. I'm here as a mother, 263 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 7: a mother who cares deeply about the world. My children 264 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 7: and all of our children live in a world where 265 00:12:56,320 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 7: we have the freedom to control our bodies. 266 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 2: A world war. 267 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 7: We're not divided. Our past, our present, our future merge and. 268 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 9: We need you. 269 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 7: It's time to sing a new song, a song that 270 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 7: began two hundred and forty eight years ago. 271 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 4: The old notes of. 272 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 7: Downfall, discord, despair no longer resonate. Our generations of loved 273 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 7: ones before us are whispering a prophecy, a quest, a calling, 274 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 7: an anthem. 275 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 4: I don't know. 276 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: It makes me nervous. All the selection makes me so nervous. 277 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: Does remind me so much of Hillary? 278 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 2: Leo came out to endorse Kamala Leo DiCaprio, Oh jokes 279 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 2: about that else. 280 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the first time me back to a woman 281 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 4: who was over twenty five. 282 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 3: No, it's he saw twenty twenty four and got confused. 283 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 3: Just a joke, Leo, like, I love you. 284 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 2: Of age, But yeah, yeah, exactly, will see it does 285 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:08,839 Speaker 2: seem very twenty sixteen. And she got the tweet the 286 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 2: Springsteen rally with Obama, the exact same thing that happened 287 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. 288 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 7: So I don't know. 289 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: Going to Houston, I mean, both of these candidates now 290 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 2: it's Kamala, why are in Houston? 291 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 3: Trump? Why are you going to New Mexico? 292 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: Yes, going on here. 293 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 1: I mean Texas makes a little bit of sense because 294 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 1: of coloradulright as one of their best chances to steal 295 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: a seat from Republicans. And I think they also liked 296 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: the backdrop of Texas has been the site of some 297 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: of the most horrifying stories of women, you know, women's. 298 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 4: Health, and so I think I think they liked that 299 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 4: backdrop as well. But yeah, I mean, Comma's not gonna 300 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 4: win tex right exactly. 301 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 2: You know, every time somebody talks about the Senate races, 302 00:14:47,760 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 2: I just always think your job's not to get the 303 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 2: Senate elected. 304 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 3: Your job is to you know, be president. So anyway, 305 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. 306 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 4: She probably she maybe had some fund raisers. There's a 307 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: lot of money there too, because that's fun. Razors. 308 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 2: When Trump flies all the way to Montana to do 309 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: a rally, I'm it's fucking Montana. 310 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 3: Like, less than a million people live in Montana. What 311 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: are you doing? You know, it's like or Coachella in California. 312 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 2: It's the same thing. Yeah, I mean, but you know, 313 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 2: we just talked about the nationalization. That's certainly part of it. Okay, 314 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: we've talked way too much today, so we can't do 315 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 2: Michigan today tomorrow, promise. Sorry, everybody, don't freak out, don't 316 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: leave any for crazy comments. What happened to Michigan. It's 317 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 2: not being censored. Let's get to endorsement. Turning down to endorsements. 318 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: Huge story here in Washington. The Washington Post, the local 319 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: hometown paper, has decided not to endorse in this year's 320 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: presidential election. 321 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen. 322 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 2: This decision was announced by the Post internally somewhat nine 323 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: days before the election. The decision was made by this 324 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 2: new editor. His name is will Lewis, a former Rupert 325 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: Murdoch employee from the UK. Calling back to the history 326 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 2: of the Washington Post pre nineteen sixty and they're not 327 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 2: making presidential endorsements. 328 00:15:57,840 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: Now. 329 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: There has been quite a lot of discussion about this, 330 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: certainly because you may have noticed. But at the very 331 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: top of the Washington Post there's a little line on 332 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 2: beneath it it says democracy dies in the darkness. And 333 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 2: I seem to recall, you know, millions of dollars and 334 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 2: lots of people here in DC signing up for the 335 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: Washington Post for democracy dies in the darkness, and lots 336 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 2: of resistance liberalism and columnists there who signed up for 337 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: that vision under Jeff Bezos, and then Bezos himself deciding 338 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 2: nine days before the election is like, yeah, you. 339 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 3: Know what, We're not gonna endorse here. So there's quite 340 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,160 Speaker 3: a lot to say about it. 341 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: I think it really just comes down to the capriciousness 342 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: of a billionaire owned media and you know, a lot 343 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: of people I don't know, Tell me if you agree 344 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 2: with me. There's been a big thing online about people 345 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 2: who are canceling the Washington Posts and journalists and others 346 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 2: their subscriptions, yeah, are like, please don't cancel the Washington Post. 347 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 2: It hurts journalists. I'm go go you know what, let 348 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 2: me defend these folks. These people signed up for freaking 349 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:58,560 Speaker 2: democracy dies in the darkness their resistance lives. These are 350 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 2: the people who made millions selling an annotated copy of 351 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 2: the Mulla Report. Okay, some people Pepperig Farm remembers. So 352 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: when those same people don't see a COMMA endorsement, what 353 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 2: do you think is going to happen? 354 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,640 Speaker 3: You took their money gladly. 355 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 4: I agree. 356 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 3: When it was anti Trump, I agree with you. Sorry, 357 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:18,120 Speaker 3: you can't have it both ways. 358 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,479 Speaker 4: Also, like it's owned by a billions. 359 00:17:20,560 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 360 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,960 Speaker 4: If he wants to kick in some more money, it 361 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: will be nothing. 362 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 2: He lost one hundred millions last year on the post. 363 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: He's not gonna chap his ass to lose four thousand subscribers. Sure. 364 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, So like if he wants to fill in that gap, 365 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,080 Speaker 1: then that's on him. That's not on you know, the 366 00:17:34,119 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: people who are disgusted with this decision. And I don't 367 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,480 Speaker 1: care how you feel, abou Kama Harris or Donald Trump. 368 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: You should be disgusted with this decision because it's pretty clear. 369 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 1: The Washington Posts reported that the decision did come directly 370 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: from Jeff Bezos, and we all know why he's a 371 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: big government contractor. Blue Origin has massive contracts with the 372 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: federal government, and Trump did cancel some of his contracts 373 00:17:56,840 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: last time around two. So he's looking at this and 374 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 1: he's putting his own like class capitalist interests ahead of 375 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 1: the way of the the journalistic integrity of the Post. 376 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: That's what's going on here. He's he and by the way, 377 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: we can put E two up on the screen. Friday's announcement, 378 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: based right at the Guardian didn't mention Amazon and didn't 379 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: mention Blue Origin, but within ours, high ranking officials of 380 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: Blue Origin met with Trump after a campaign speech in Austin, Texas, 381 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: as the Republican omni seeks a second presidency, Trump met 382 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,120 Speaker 1: with Blue Origin CEO and vice president of government relations. 383 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 4: That means lobbying, according to the AP. 384 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, CNN reported the Amazon CEO, Andy Jasse had also 385 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: recently reached out to speak with the former president by phone. 386 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: Those reported overtures were eviscerated by Washington Post Editor at 387 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 1: large and longtime columnist Robert Kagan, which TLDR. He calls 388 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: it a clear quid pro quote, and I think that's 389 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: fairly obvious. 390 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 2: Right. 391 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,880 Speaker 1: Bezos doesn't want to have his government contracts canceled. 392 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 4: Again. 393 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: He doesn't want to be crosswise with Trump. He wants 394 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:10,679 Speaker 1: to make nice with him because he thinks Trump may 395 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 1: well be back in the White House and he knows 396 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: there'll be no punishment from the Kamala Harris people if 397 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: they win. They're not gonna, you know, go out for 398 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: quote unquote retribution. So yeah, that's what's going on. And again, 399 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,439 Speaker 1: like I said, this is not to try to make 400 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: a partisan point. This is to say you should be 401 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: very very leary a billionaire influence in politics, billionaire influence 402 00:19:30,600 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: in media, billionaire ownership. 403 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 4: And I will also say when Bernie. 404 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: Sanders made this point back in twenty twenty about how 405 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,680 Speaker 1: the Bezos Washing Post maybe wasn't too friendly towards him 406 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: because of his class politics, he was smeared as a 407 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 1: conspiracy theorist by the same people who now like you 408 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: should be. You owe Bernie Sanderson apology because obviously he 409 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:54,239 Speaker 1: was right. 410 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 3: I did so many monologues. 411 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: Act some of my most viral monologues initially over at 412 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 2: Rising were specifically about this billionaire ownership of the Washington Post. 413 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 2: I remember, remember when Bloomberg was in the race and 414 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News was like, we're still objective. 415 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,880 Speaker 3: I go, yeah, you're definitely still objective whenever the guy 416 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: of your namesake is in the goddamn race, that's right sure. 417 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: And by the way, the guy justifying that, Mikelthwaite, is 418 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 2: the same British moron who was on stage with Trump 419 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,360 Speaker 2: talking about tariffs. Just so people know for who exactly 420 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 2: are like the most corrupt people in this country. 421 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: And that's the point. 422 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 2: The point though, and the irony is when democracy dies 423 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,920 Speaker 2: in the darkness. These people didn't give a damn about 424 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: billionaire ownership because it was fine for them, and yet 425 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 2: now it's oh my god, you know he's he's like 426 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,800 Speaker 2: playing with our lives and giving up on our values. 427 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,959 Speaker 2: And look, I have some sympathy because Jennifer Rubin, right, 428 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean, these brain dead resistance people, to be fair, 429 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,040 Speaker 2: they were courted on this basis, they were employed on 430 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 2: the very like real idea. Even Robert Kagan, right, Okay, 431 00:20:58,400 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: So for people who don't know who, Robert Kagan is 432 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,959 Speaker 2: literally one of the chief voices for war in Iraq, 433 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: neo conservative, unreconstructed, married to Victoria Newland, who is one 434 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: of the most psychotic former members of the State Department 435 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 2: of NATO, expansion, etc. I have nothing nice to say 436 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:16,480 Speaker 2: about these people, but they were hired on the basis 437 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: of being anti Trump for these quote unquote like principal reasons. 438 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,280 Speaker 2: So even though I disagree with them, it's not like 439 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: they don't have a coherent worldview. And so for Bezos 440 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,640 Speaker 2: to just change the rules of the game, which he can, 441 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: is deeply disingenuous to his readers and to his employees. 442 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 2: And that's the problem, is that when it's capricious and 443 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 2: it's totally up to him, it's just a ludicrous position 444 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 2: that puts, you know, it just tells. 445 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 3: Us what the whole game is about. Yeah, and I 446 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 3: don't want everybody to know that. 447 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 2: And also why nobody billionaire or whatever owns a slice 448 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 2: of this company and the only people who control it 449 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: are the vast majority of our previous describers. 450 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: It is also I mean, it is also like capitulation 451 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: advance because they do know that Trump will, you know, 452 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: will look to punish his political enemies because he's done 453 00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: it in the past. And there's a more reporting for 454 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: the Washington Post this morning. 455 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 4: I'm just reading. Jeff Stein tweeted this out. 456 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,200 Speaker 1: Some billionaires who Trump targeted are now hedging their bets 457 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: as the president former president vous retribution against enemies if elected. 458 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,880 Speaker 1: Bezos block Swappo endorsement. Zuckerberg is promising neutrality. Warren Buffett 459 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: is staying out. The Google chief reportedly called Trump to 460 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 1: praise his McDonald's stuff. CEO's rushing to back channel to 461 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: Team Trump. 462 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 4: Quote. 463 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: Trump has not had no issue calling out political enemies 464 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: by name, threatening to use the force of government for retribution. 465 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: Apparently that is intimidating a lot of wealthy targets. Is 466 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: a very scary sign that government intimidation works is the 467 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 1: take of one individual. 468 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 4: So, you know, I do think this is part of 469 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 4: a pattern of people who fear that. 470 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: Trump is going to end up back in the White 471 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,639 Speaker 1: House and don't want to be on his bad side 472 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 1: because they want their companies to continue to flourish. They 473 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: don't want to be made, you know, an example of 474 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 1: by Trump even by just turning them into a partisan name, 475 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: et cetera. 476 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 4: So that's part of what you see going on. 477 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: Lumped into this conversation, potentially unfairly was the La Times, 478 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: which also decided not to endorse in this race, and 479 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: I think you could similarly make a point about, like, 480 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's the billionaire owner of the La Times 481 00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:14,920 Speaker 1: who was also making the decisions for the newsroom about 482 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: not endorsing, but seems to have a more principled reason 483 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 1: for doing so. We can put this up on the 484 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: screen with regards to La Times. So their billionaire owner 485 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:31,040 Speaker 1: says that they are protesting calmless support of Israel's war 486 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:35,080 Speaker 1: in Gaza. This is according to his daughter, a thirty 487 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,919 Speaker 1: one year old political activist who has been They've been 488 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:45,439 Speaker 1: consistently anti genocide in terms of the Israeli assault on Gaza, 489 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: anti apartheid. She's been a consistent activist on the you know, 490 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: pro Palestine side of this equation. So she said, quote, 491 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: our family made the joint decision not to endorse a 492 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: presidential candidate. This was the first and only time I've 493 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: been involved in the process, and point to commeless support 494 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: for Israel's war in Gaza. So you know, like I said, 495 00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: more principled. Certainly, you know, a direction I support a 496 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: lot more in terms of the rationale behind it, although 497 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,800 Speaker 1: you still have to say, like you know, the billionaire 498 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 1: influence part, even if it is a cause that I support, 499 00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: it's still a troubling direction. 500 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: Well, and this, look, the whole point is to me, 501 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,159 Speaker 2: this just goes against the idea of the news business 502 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 2: in the first place. I'm like, these endorsements, and specifically 503 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: in the more partisan age, they're not swaying anybody. They're 504 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 2: purely cultural signifiers, and I think that's fundamentally wrong with 505 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 2: the way that this all should be in the first place. Like, notice, 506 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 2: you know, nobody's been endorsing anybody over here. I did 507 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 2: a whole monologue where I said how you should vote, 508 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 2: and specifically it was like, how you should think about 509 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 2: voting based on the issues that are important to you, 510 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: because you're the one who. 511 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: Should make that decision. Outsourcing your thinking to somebody else 512 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 3: is frankly ridiculous. 513 00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 2: But that is the mainstay of a lot of current 514 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 2: Republican out a lands and a lot of these democratic ones. 515 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: So there's a meta conversation, I guess, yeah, to be had, 516 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 2: But broadly, what I really come back to is these 517 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 2: journalists who are constantly tutting everybody who's canceling their Washington 518 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 2: Post subscription. I'll be like, hey, I hate to break 519 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: it to you. The people who subscribed to it. They 520 00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 2: didn't do it for the News. They did it for 521 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 2: this democracy dies in the darkness. Mullershit. And so you 522 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,159 Speaker 2: cannot be mad at them when they cancel, because they 523 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,720 Speaker 2: you renegged on the vision that they sold. 524 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 3: That's the whole point. 525 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: Bethos is in general, even just from a business, has 526 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: been a horrendous owner of the Post. They have been 527 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: bleeding subscribers. You know for a while now New York 528 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: Times has been able to very successfully, like. 529 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 4: They rolled it up their business. 530 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they have all these different verticals, the cooking 531 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 1: and the sports and the games and all this stuff 532 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: that's very popular that doesn't isn't just reliant on opposition 533 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,920 Speaker 1: to this one political figure. But you know, I'm sure 534 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: the Post is going to be fine because, like I said, 535 00:25:55,480 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 1: they've got a billionaire owner. Who to make up that 536 00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:02,080 Speaker 1: lost thousands of subscriptions is absolutely nothing. But I still 537 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: someone tweet this, and I think this is probably correct 538 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:07,880 Speaker 1: that there will likely be a lot less I think 539 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 1: these are indications that there will be a lot less 540 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 1: institutional resistance. 541 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 4: To Trump this time around. 542 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: That more the mo is Let's try to be neutral, 543 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: let's try to placate him, Let's try not to earn 544 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 1: his iire, let's try not to, you know, tank like 545 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: have our government contracts canceled, et cetera, et cetera. And 546 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: you know, we had already seen this in terms of 547 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: Wall Street and Finance warming up to Trump. You know, 548 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: the number of donors that he's getting from the institutional 549 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: finance much larger than they were back in twenty sixteen 550 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: or even in twenty twenty. He has gone out of 551 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,800 Speaker 1: his way to make explicit promises to billionaires in the country. 552 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,959 Speaker 1: Obviously is backed by the wealthiest person on the planet. 553 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: But I do think that that this is an indication 554 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 1: that the strategy of lockstep institutional resistance to Trump is 555 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: has basically disintegrated into no, we're going to try to 556 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: appease him, try to go along, to get along, so 557 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: that we don't end up in his targets. 558 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I also just think there's like a cultural 559 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,560 Speaker 2: difference at this point. If Trump has been around for 560 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 2: a long time, like the shock of his win in 561 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, and that level of like employee walk out out, 562 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 2: this stuff is gone, you know at this point, and 563 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 2: if I don't see it coming back in that way, 564 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,040 Speaker 2: whatever resistance to Trump what form that will take. It 565 00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 2: will not be the cringe twenty seventeen version. I would 566 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: hope it's much more of a deep, like actual assessment 567 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: within the party about like, hey, why didn't we have 568 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 2: a primary? 569 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 3: Why did we prop up Biden for such a lot? 570 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 2: Actually, I'm curious with you, do you think that'll happen 571 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: or do you think they're going to go rush Agate 572 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 2: again or like some similar like cope, what do you 573 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 2: think the cope. 574 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 3: It's going to be cope of course, just racism. 575 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 1: No, I think probably they'll blame like it depends on 576 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: how the election results go down, but it's certainly possible 577 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: they'll blame people who you voted for Jill Stein or 578 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: sat out because they were disgusted with the support for genocide. Yeah, 579 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: I think that's you know, that's a pretty clear trajectory. 580 00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: You already see the ads that are you know, against 581 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 1: Jill Stein. You see those efforts under way, So that 582 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: will be that will be a big part of it. 583 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 1: But I think also secretly they'll just decide like, oh, 584 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 1: it's sexism and we could just never run a woman. 585 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 2: Again, right, which is so dumb. Again, like Greshen Whitmer 586 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 2: would be way more competitive. 587 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 4: In this race. But don't you think that's true? 588 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: If Hillary and both lose to Trump, the secret assessment, 589 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: the public assessment will be, you know, the public to 590 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,200 Speaker 1: racist b I mean, sexist, blah blah blah, and the 591 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: secret assessment will be like, that's why we must only 592 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 1: run men year on out. 593 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 2: I think it won't be an elite assessment, unfortunately. I 594 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 2: think a lot of it will come to voters. Democratic 595 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: voters care a lot about winning, and they're less ideological 596 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 2: in terms of. 597 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: They're willing to go along with a lot and they 598 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: want to win. 599 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 2: And so if that is the assessment from elite media 600 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 2: and others that is kind of pumped out there, then 601 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 2: they may internalize it. 602 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: Again, I think that's totally incorrect. I mean, she's not 603 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 3: that far away. 604 00:28:55,640 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: From she's doing way better than Yeah, she's so much will. 605 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 3: You know, kind of a dumb thesis, but I could 606 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 3: see it. I don't know. 607 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: I really do hope when Biden is gone and we 608 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 2: can all talk, honestly, they we'll just talk about how 609 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 2: insane it was to prop them up for as long 610 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 2: as we did, how insane it was not that going 611 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 2: to happen. 612 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,560 Speaker 1: That's not going to happened because they were. They're all 613 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,880 Speaker 1: complicit in it, you know, so they can't they can't. 614 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: It can't be that, I mean the yeah, the in fact, actually, 615 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,160 Speaker 1: actually it's. 616 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 4: Much more likely. The conversation you get is should have 617 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 4: stuck with Biden. 618 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,640 Speaker 1: I'm telling I already see people on Twitter are like, 619 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: I'm not convinced that she's better than the mind. 620 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 4: It's like you are. 621 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: Insane, you are in like, go back and watch that 622 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: debate and tell me that this was the guy that 623 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: Democrats should have run. No, Obviously, the much better direction 624 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: would have been to actually have a primary process where 625 00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: voters actually got to vet these candidates, where you know, 626 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: even if it doesn't end up being Kamlers, at the 627 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,000 Speaker 1: end of the day, she has to go through the 628 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: rigors of that and is strengthened by that process. That's clear, 629 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,120 Speaker 1: like very obvious taken. Then there's you know, I'm sure 630 00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: there'll also be a she loses Pennsylvania, They'll be that 631 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 1: she should have picked jos Shapiro to Oh yeah, right, 632 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,240 Speaker 1: that'll be a big one as well. So it just 633 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: still depends on the flavor of what goes down. But 634 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: I think you are much more likely to see the 635 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: we should have stuck with Biden than the we should 636 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: have actually had a democratic process. 637 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 3: Very possible. All right, guys, we got treat to Parsi 638 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 3: standing by. Let's get to it. 639 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: So, as we're usual, we have huge updates coming out 640 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: of the Middle East, and to break down the very 641 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: latest with regard to Israel retaliating against Iran, we've got 642 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: doctor Treta Parsi of the Quincy Institute for Responsible state Craft. 643 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:33,000 Speaker 4: Great to see you, sir, Good to you. 644 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 9: Good to be with you guys again. 645 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, so let's put this Wall Street Journal 646 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: article up on the screen. You know, I refer to 647 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,120 Speaker 1: these in a shorthand as retaliatory attacks. Of course, we 648 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: know that that's not exactly accurate, since this is just 649 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,320 Speaker 1: retaliation to the latest Iranian attacks, which were retaliation for 650 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: Israeli attacks. 651 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 4: But in any case, we've. 652 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: Got a Wall Street Journal article here arguing that Biden 653 00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: pushed Israel to limit their attacks on Iran, yet still 654 00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: inflict a heavy blow. Based on what we know about 655 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: the sites that Israel did strike, what can we say 656 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: about the level of these attacks and the potential response. 657 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 9: Well, the interesting thing is we actually cannot say that much. Clearly, 658 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,160 Speaker 9: the Israelis struck. Clearly, they were successful in striking at 659 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 9: least twenty sites. They left about five people killed. That 660 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 9: number may increase. There's definitely been some damage. The extent 661 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 9: to which that damage has occurred, however, is unclear. The 662 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 9: Israelis are saying that they've essentially taken out all of 663 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 9: Yvan's long range anti defense missiles and systems. The iranis 664 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 9: of course downplaying it. I think the Israelis are exaggerating. 665 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 9: The truth may be somewhere in between, but we frankly 666 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 9: just don't know quite yet. But this is very important 667 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 9: because if the Israeli narrative turns out to be true, 668 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 9: and I'm personally skeptical, part of the reason I'm skeptical 669 00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 9: is because it actually serves the interests of those in 670 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,479 Speaker 9: Israel or in power. We want to see further escalation 671 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,720 Speaker 9: because the argument they're essentially making is see Yran no 672 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 9: longer has long range anti defense missiles. As a result, 673 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 9: it is going to be relatively easy now to strike 674 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 9: the nuclear program. What are we waiting for? Let's just 675 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 9: go for it and then hoping that either the Bide 676 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 9: administration or the Trump admonstration would go along with it. 677 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,040 Speaker 9: I'm very skeptical of this for several reasons. A because 678 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 9: we don't know quite yet the extent of the damage. 679 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 9: We don't know how long it will take Vanians to 680 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 9: recuperate from whatever that damage is. But also no one 681 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 9: thought that the danger with striking Van's nuclear program was 682 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 9: Yvon's anti defense missiles. That has not been the reason 683 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 9: as to why the strikes have not taken place. The 684 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,719 Speaker 9: reason why the strikes hasn't taken place is because it's 685 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 9: quite clear if the nuclear sites are struck, the Ivanians 686 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 9: will weaponize their program, they will leave the MPT. And 687 00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 9: given how deeply much of the program is underground, the 688 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 9: US it's self has made the assessment that whe or 689 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 9: without anti defense missiles in place, the ability to actually 690 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 9: take out the facilities underground is very very limited. If 691 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 9: the US has that calculation, restitualt Israeli simply cannot do it. 692 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,080 Speaker 9: So there's a lot of fog and a lot of 693 00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 9: smoke right now, and it is all about establishing various narratives. 694 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 9: And from the Israeli side, of course, the narrative they 695 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 9: want is see this was easy. The Iranians couldn't do 696 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 9: that much about it. What are we waiting for unleash 697 00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 9: us and allow us to take out everything? 698 00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, doctor Parsi, in terms of the Iranian regime 699 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 2: and just the way they have reacted to this, what 700 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: does it tell us? Is it similar to last time 701 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: around where we consider the matter closed? How is the 702 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 2: message that is currently coming out of media and others 703 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 2: in response to this. 704 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 9: So initially, almost even before any real assessment could be 705 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 9: made of what the damage was, they were downplaying it, 706 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 9: which sent a clear signal they don't want to see 707 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520 Speaker 9: further escalation. They're not the ones who started this exchange 708 00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 9: of direct fire between Israel and Yvon. That's what the 709 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 9: Israelis started on April first, when they struck the Ivanian 710 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,439 Speaker 9: consular section of the embassy in Damascus. But as time 711 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 9: has passed, and as we have seen, most importantly that 712 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,800 Speaker 9: there has been casualties, you are seeing things happening in 713 00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 9: the Ivanian debate in which there is a lot of 714 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 9: anger and a lot of belief that not responding may 715 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 9: actually be a mistake. What they don't want to see 716 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 9: is the idea of striking Tehran becoming normalized in the 717 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:39,000 Speaker 9: same way that striking Damascus or striking Beirut has become 718 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,120 Speaker 9: normalized for these Raelis. They do it regularly. It's hardly 719 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 9: news any longer, certainly not in the mainstream American media. 720 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 9: They almost never report on those things. The Ivanis don't 721 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,440 Speaker 9: want to end up in that situation in which Israel 722 00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880 Speaker 9: striking Tehran will become a normalized issue, and that is 723 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 9: one of the pressures internally for them to do something. 724 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 9: The question, of course is what could they do without 725 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,839 Speaker 9: sparking the larger ward that the Israelis want and these 726 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 9: Iranians do not want. 727 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,399 Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, that's such a great point. I hadn't thought 728 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 1: about about the normalization of those Israeli attacks on Bayvorud 729 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: and on Damascus. I wanted to ask you what you 730 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: made of this reporting inside of the Wall Street journal 731 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,359 Speaker 1: piece we just had at They say that the White 732 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: House use Israel's request for that anti missile battery as 733 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:27,239 Speaker 1: leverage after the Pentagon indicated Israel wanted the system to 734 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:30,840 Speaker 1: bolster its defenses against Iran. Tony Blinkin recommended at a 735 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,839 Speaker 1: meeting with Biden. The US agreed to send it only 736 00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 1: if Israel promised to strike only military sites. 737 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 4: What do you make of that assertion of the use of. 738 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,320 Speaker 1: That anti missile battery basically to sort of coerce the 739 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: Israelis into not striking nuclear sites. 740 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 9: I think this whole thing is a bit of a fallacy. 741 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 9: I don't doubt that the story is true, and I 742 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 9: wouldn't doubt that Blincoln would have agreed to the fads 743 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 9: even if he got nothing from these Raelis. The bottom 744 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 9: line is the fact that they didn't strike the nuclear 745 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 9: facilities may not be that relevant if this continues to escalate, 746 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 9: And there's much to indicate that, even though the Vanians 747 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 9: may not respond quickly, that this is not the end 748 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 9: of this story. This may be the end of one chapter. 749 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 9: But unfortunately, as long as the United States helps Israel 750 00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,239 Speaker 9: reduce the cost of its own escalations by rushing in 751 00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,279 Speaker 9: and protecting it every time it happens, and every time 752 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:29,400 Speaker 9: these Raelis want to escalate, instead of saying no, we 753 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 9: don't want to war in the region, they can drag 754 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,640 Speaker 9: us in. Instead, we say we'll just strike here, just 755 00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,719 Speaker 9: strike there, and we'll give you more missiles so you 756 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 9: don't have to be the cost of it. If that 757 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:41,400 Speaker 9: is our approach, all we're doing is that we're ensuring escalation, 758 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,520 Speaker 9: We're just ensuring it at a slower pace than if 759 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,760 Speaker 9: we didn't provide those if we didn't push back against 760 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,440 Speaker 9: those initial targets, this may very well end up with 761 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,960 Speaker 9: strikes against the nuclear sides and a complete war. So 762 00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,960 Speaker 9: just slowing it down, which is what the Bid demonstration 763 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 9: at best have done, is simply not good enough. If 764 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,360 Speaker 9: we believe that the US is interest in all of 765 00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 9: this is for us not to get dragged into another war, individual. 766 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:09,480 Speaker 2: Which I think we all do at least here, And 767 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 2: that's my question. My last question really is how do 768 00:37:12,600 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 2: you think that the Israelis will calibrate and will they 769 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: escalate if Donald Trump does win the election in eight days. 770 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 9: I think there's a degree of nervousness in Israel. Israelis 771 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:28,400 Speaker 9: I've spoken to. They're not saying that they don't prefer Trump, 772 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 9: but there is a degree of nervousness because they know 773 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 9: very well that if Trump changes his mind and doesn't 774 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 9: want to see discontinue, there's going to be a high 775 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:40,359 Speaker 9: cost for the Israelis to do to Trump what they 776 00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 9: have done to Biden. They have disregarded almost every red 777 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,960 Speaker 9: line that Biden has put forward, Biden himself has clearly 778 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 9: not been serious about those different things, but the Israelis 779 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 9: have taken pleasure in humiliating Biden publicly. I don't think 780 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 9: the Israelis would do that easily with Trump. They know 781 00:37:57,440 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 9: that the reactions can be quite unpredictable. I think it's 782 00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 9: also very interesting that as much as the Trump administration 783 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 9: is saying things such as, you know, you got to 784 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 9: do what you got to do, go do the job, etc. 785 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 9: They're not saying anything about what the US would do 786 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,040 Speaker 9: in terms of supporting Isrum. And one line that I 787 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,160 Speaker 9: think is coming out of the Trump camp is we 788 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,799 Speaker 9: don't want to restrain these Ralis, but we also don't 789 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,800 Speaker 9: want to help them do what they're doing because we 790 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 9: don't want to get into a war. Jdvans themselves said 791 00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 9: in an interview that it's a clear interest with you 792 00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,279 Speaker 9: as not to get into a war with you. Blan. 793 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 9: So I think you may end up seeing a policy 794 00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:35,279 Speaker 9: in which the pretense of restrictions that I think the 795 00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,440 Speaker 9: Bidendmistration has put forward will simply not be there. They 796 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,080 Speaker 9: may even be active encouragement, but perhaps without a very 797 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 9: large part, if not all, of the materials supported the 798 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,440 Speaker 9: Biden demonstration has provided the how does. 799 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: That square with some of the significant interest groups on 800 00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,640 Speaker 1: the Republican side, Not only you know, the evangelical base, 801 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,359 Speaker 1: which has been Trump's largest, most core supporters, highest level 802 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 1: of support, who actually they have a higher favorability rating 803 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,840 Speaker 1: for bb net Yahoo than American Jews do. Miriam Addilson, 804 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,880 Speaker 1: being one of his largest donors, know a commitment to 805 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: Israel being her largest issue. Reporting suggests that, you know, 806 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,319 Speaker 1: one of the things that she wants out of Trump 807 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 1: is for him to allow Israel to annex the West Bank. 808 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,800 Speaker 4: You know, officially within. 809 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,440 Speaker 1: The Republican Party you have versus the Democratic Party of 810 00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: much stronger support for Israel, for shipping weapons to Israel, 811 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: much more hawkish views visa vi Iran. So how does 812 00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:37,320 Speaker 1: that Trump assessment square with some of those critical interest 813 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: groups and donors on the Republican side. 814 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,640 Speaker 9: You're absolutely right, Chryst that that is a critical element 815 00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,480 Speaker 9: within the Trump camp as well, that you have those 816 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,320 Speaker 9: who not only want to continue to do this, but 817 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 9: also want to see even greater American support for it. 818 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 9: And I don't think that the battle within the Trump 819 00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 9: administration has been entirely square it out when it comes 820 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,160 Speaker 9: to this, I'm just judging it based on what Trump 821 00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 9: himself has said so far, which is going quite far 822 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 9: out there and in terms of expressing support for Israel 823 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 9: but saying very little about what the US role would be. 824 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,600 Speaker 9: And then you listen to Jdvans and there you have 825 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 9: a bit more detail in terms of even being more 826 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,080 Speaker 9: in favor of not putting restrictions on Israel, but also 827 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 9: even more clear about the US not necessarily being part 828 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,960 Speaker 9: of it and not getting involved in the war. I 829 00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:27,360 Speaker 9: think at the end of the day, we have to 830 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 9: be very frank we do not know what the Trump 831 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:33,960 Speaker 9: administration would do because it is quite unpredictable, particularly mindful 832 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 9: of the very elements that you mentioned. And this is 833 00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 9: going back to Stargar's question. Part of the reason why 834 00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 9: there's a degree of nervousness in Israel about Trump as well. 835 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,840 Speaker 9: They know that in many ways he may actually be 836 00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 9: much better for them, but they also know that if 837 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 9: Trump were to change his mind and decide to go 838 00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,200 Speaker 9: on a path that they're not happy with, it probably 839 00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:53,520 Speaker 9: cannot do too much about it. 840 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,800 Speaker 1: Very interesting, doctor Parci. Always great to have your analysis. 841 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining us. 842 00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 9: Thank you so much for having me. 843 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:00,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's our play too. 844 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,560 Speaker 3: Thank you guys so much for watching. We appreciate you. 845 00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 2: Thanks to all our premium subscribers breakingpoints dot com if 846 00:41:05,120 --> 00:41:07,000 Speaker 2: you want to become one otherwise, We'll see you all 847 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,480 Speaker 2: tomorrow