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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The Wild and Panicked dash.

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Speaker 1: Bodycam footage shows cops storming a teen girls home after

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Speaker 1: her terrified nine one one call. I'm Nancy Grace. This

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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: An independent nineteen year old calls nine one one when

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Speaker 2: an intruder breaks into her apartment. She tells the operator,

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Speaker 2: I've been shot.

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Speaker 1: Hi, I've been shot. Someone gets shot me. What address

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Speaker 1: you have? South corn On the Street apartment.

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Speaker 3: So nineteen twenty five South Coronata Street in Gilbert unit.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please please hurry, please.

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Speaker 4: Please please let.

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Speaker 3: Me get this over paramedics to get you free. Arrival

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Speaker 3: of anyone in the home with you? No, did the

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Speaker 3: person leave? Yes, stay on the phone with me. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to get this over to paramedics.

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Speaker 1: With that much notice the shere had just left the apartment,

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Speaker 1: but still Rachel's murder is unsolved. With me at all

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Speaker 1: Star panel of guests to make sense of what we

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Speaker 1: know tonight, but straight out to a special guest joining

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Speaker 1: us is Kim Hansen. This is Rachel's mother, Miss Hanson.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us, and I want to

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Speaker 1: apologize for what we are going to discuss. I wonder

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Speaker 1: how upsetting it must be to hear her on that

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Speaker 1: nine to one one call.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is. We have never heard anything.

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Speaker 6: We've just seen a transcript, so it is it's difficult

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Speaker 1: Miss Hanson. Tell me how you learned something had gone

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Speaker 1: horribly wrong.

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Speaker 6: Well, I was in Indiana at the time, babysitting two

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Speaker 6: of our grandchildren, and my husband called me about ten

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Speaker 6: o'clock in the morning and told me to sit down.

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Speaker 6: He had to tell me some very disturbing news. He

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Speaker 6: first learned around seven am Saturday morning, when two Gilbert

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Speaker 6: police officers came to our home and knocked on our

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Miss Hansen, what your husband told you he

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Speaker 1: had learned from police.

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Speaker 6: Well, he just said that Rachel's gone. We've lost her,

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Speaker 6: and she had been shot one time. She had been

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Speaker 6: transported to the hospital where they fought for three hours

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Speaker 6: to save her life, and I'm very grateful for that.

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Speaker 6: I was able to speak to the surgeon afterwards for

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Speaker 6: about an hour, and he told me everything they did,

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Speaker 6: and they felt like they were going to be able

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Speaker 6: to save her because she was so young and so strong,

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Speaker 6: but she just was not able to pull through.

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Speaker 1: Was very coherent and I could understand everything she said

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Speaker 1: when she called nine one one. So yes, what did

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Speaker 1: you learn after that, Miss Hanson?

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Speaker 5: Just that she was very coherent.

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Speaker 7: She was able to jump out of bed grab her.

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Speaker 6: Cell phone as she would do because she was just

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Speaker 6: the first to jump in and try to solve it.

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Speaker 5: So that's what she did for herself.

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Speaker 6: And she was coherent until paramedics were there and starting

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Speaker 1: Miss Hanson, what have you learned about the exact nature

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Speaker 1: of the gunshot? Where was she shot?

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Speaker 6: She was shot one time and it entered her lower

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Speaker 1: So lower left abdomen trajectory path going upward exit from

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Speaker 1: the top right shoulder. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: Was she left handed or right handed?

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Speaker 1: That is very critical in the analysis of what happened,

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Speaker 1: Miss Hansen. Tell me about Rachel. We are showing videos

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Speaker 1: and photos of her right now, she's the real life

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Speaker 6: Yes, yes, Rachel absolutely was, and it came very, very

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Speaker 6: was six years old as a child that had been

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Speaker 6: So at six years old, she joined our family in

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Speaker 6: February and was legally adopted in May. And at that

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Speaker 6: and that's where it all started. And we would come

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Speaker 5: Lived on the back of whatever horse we had.

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Speaker 6: We started, obviously with an older, very gentle horse, and

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Speaker 6: mayor that you see her on Mostly We got Dash

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Speaker 6: when Rachel was twelve and Dash was four.

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Speaker 1: Miss Hanson, you mentioned that Rachel was working through the

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Speaker 1: trauma that she suffered being in the foster system, which

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Speaker 1: in my experience can be overwhelming. What trauma to what

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Speaker 1: trauma are you referring?

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Speaker 6: Rachel clearly could speak of this herself, so I know

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Speaker 6: it is the truth.

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Speaker 5: When she was three years old, her biological mother left.

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Speaker 6: The home about ten o'clock at night to get milk

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Speaker 6: she was living in an apartment with who she assumed

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Speaker 6: was her father or grandfather, about a sixty year old

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Speaker 6: then she found him dead.

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Speaker 5: On the floor, so that was a second loss for her.

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Speaker 6: So at that time she was immediately taken to emergency

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Speaker 6: but after about six months changed their mind and told

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Speaker 6: her they were not going to adopt her, but that

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Speaker 6: she could stay there until her forever family was found.

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Speaker 6: So that was her third abandonment in.

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Speaker 5: Just six years. So that's a lot of trauma for

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Speaker 5: a small child. And it was at that time she

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Speaker 1: Us, poor sweet girl. And now this we have learned

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Speaker 1: a lot from the bodycam and you heard our nine

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Speaker 8: It's rather than wanting.

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Speaker 1: To buy her.

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Speaker 8: Things, going to be Rachel, she's there, she's person.

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Speaker 1: You are hearing the officer stating, what's your name, what's

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Speaker 1: your name? Talk to me, Rachel, stay with us, Rachel,

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Speaker 1: stay with me, and more he's good.

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Speaker 9: One more officer, we can at least go down there

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Speaker 9: and clear make sure that's sitting over there.

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Speaker 1: We need to clear down this hall.

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Speaker 4: But there there's nothing there.

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Speaker 1: You can't go any further. Joining me. In addition to

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Speaker 1: Rachel's mom, Kim Hansen is Justin. Yis Justin yis feral

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Speaker 1: defense investigator at Arizona Investigative Associates. Justin. This case is

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Speaker 1: so upsetting because as you hear the officers stating, we

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Speaker 1: got to go clear the building, We got to clear

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Speaker 1: this hall. They're clearing it because they know the shooter

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Speaker 1: has just left. But yet we still don't have the killer.

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Speaker 1: We don't.

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Speaker 4: It's been two two and a half years and correct,

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Speaker 4: we still have no arrests in this case and no

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Speaker 4: finalization for the Hansons.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that the apartment was processed appropriately, Justin

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Speaker 1: yenttez for fingerprints, anything that could lead us to the killer.

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Speaker 4: From my understanding it was unfortunately or you know, just

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Speaker 4: the situation is that it is an ongoing investigation, and

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Speaker 4: so while we have been able to obtain some records

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Speaker 4: from Gilbert Police under the Arizona Public Records Law, there's

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Speaker 4: quite a bit that's been redacted. So we don't know

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Speaker 4: to what extent the SEENO was processed, or what evidence

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Speaker 4: all was found, and what type of testing or follow

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Speaker 4: up investigation was done on that. Most of the indications

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Speaker 4: of that have been redacted.

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Speaker 1: Question, Justin, was the weapon recovered?

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Speaker 4: As far as I know, no, it was not.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace joining me in addition to

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Speaker 1: Kim Hansen and Justin Yentis investigative reporter at ABC fifteen Phoenix,

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Speaker 1: Ashley Holden, Ashley, thank you for being with us. Thank

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Speaker 1: you for having me Nancy Ashley, what can you tell

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Speaker 1: me about the area specifically apartment complex, Well.

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Speaker 10: The area itself and the apartment complex. Gilbert is considered

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Speaker 10: a pretty safe community in the East Valley, and people

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Speaker 10: think of it as a place that they want to

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Speaker 10: raise a family. Many people think of it as like

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Speaker 10: a small town area just outside of Phoenix, so kind

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Speaker 10: of suburbia, if you will. But the apartment that you're

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Speaker 10: looking at this is a gated Gilbert apartment complex that

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Speaker 10: one would think would be very safe. One thing that

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Speaker 10: we noted from that over three hundred and thirty plus

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Speaker 1: That we just got this month was that.

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Speaker 10: When police went and they started asking people for camera footage,

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Speaker 10: some of the neighbors had ring doorbell footage, but this

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Speaker 10: complex told police that they didn't have any working cameras,

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Speaker 10: which is something as you look at this apartment complex,

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Speaker 10: you would think that they would have.

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Speaker 1: Does it never end? Justin yentis joining US investigator at

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Speaker 1: Arizona Investigative Associates. How can any body forget the case

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Speaker 1: of Summer Intern NBC Chandra Levy remember so much timed

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Speaker 1: pass before her case was solved years and it brought

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Speaker 1: down a Congressman Gary Condent, do you recall that, long

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Speaker 1: story short, the building where Seanja lived had repeating video

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Speaker 1: and so by the time police realized they need to

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Speaker 1: look at her leaving in the lobby. Did she have

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Speaker 1: on an evening dress, did she have on a cocktail dress?

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Speaker 1: Did she have on jogging gear? Was she alone? Which

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Speaker 1: way did she head out of the apartment building? Long

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Speaker 1: story short, they lost all that because it repeated over

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Speaker 1: after seventy two hours. And here now we learn that

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Speaker 1: the apartment complex had video cameras that didn't work.

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Speaker 4: every thirty to ninety days, but in this case it

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Speaker 4: just was non existent.

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Speaker 1: So Holden investigative reporter ABC fifteen, Ashley, you stated that

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Speaker 1: some of the neighbors had ring doorbell footage. Yeah, that's what.

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Speaker 10: We can tell in that police report is that they

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Speaker 10: describe seeing some footage that shows Rachel kind of in

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Speaker 10: the hours leading up, walking around with people, doing things

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Speaker 10: like going to the pool. But as justin mentioned, there

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Speaker 10: are major major parts of that police report that has

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Speaker 10: been redacted, and so many things that were in that

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Speaker 10: know exactly what police have when it comes to video,

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Speaker 10: other than what is unredacted in that report.

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Speaker 3: Just after two am, Rachel Hansen calls nine to one

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Speaker 3: one and says someone broke in and shot me. The

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Speaker 3: dispatcher gets Rachel's address and tries to help her stop

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Speaker 3: the bleeding while police and paramedics are on the way.

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Speaker 3: Rachel says she doesn't have any kind of cloth or

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Speaker 3: town near her to use, and the dispatcher notes that

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Speaker 3: Rachel is less and less responsive and it sounds like

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Speaker 3: she's about to pass out. The dispatcher notes that the

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Speaker 3: shooter has left the apartment, but Warren's officers to be vigilant.

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Speaker 2: A compassionate animal lover last seen on a neighbor's ring

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Speaker 1: So what is the motive who murdered this beautiful teen girl?

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Speaker 6: I have to keep going for Rachel, and as hard

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Speaker 7: Life so randomly and so early. So it's been hard.

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Speaker 1: Eesen is joining US certified forensic pathologist. You can find

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Speaker 1: clarify several things that we know so far. Her wound

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Speaker 1: That said, what would have occurred? What would Rachel have suffered?

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Speaker 1: You heard her words on the nine one one call.

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Speaker 1: Why couldn't she be saved?

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Speaker 11: Well, it sounds like if the entrance wound was to

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Speaker 1: Okay, I know it makes perfect sense to you what

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Speaker 11: Well, the bullet did not go through the brain, and

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Speaker 11: And it also did not go through a major blood vessel.

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Speaker 11: That didn't sound like because you can lose blood very quickly,

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Speaker 1: Do you believe her lungs just filled up with blood

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Speaker 11: When a bullet goes through the lung, through any long

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Speaker 1: Another issue that I want to clarify. It would be

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Speaker 1: Hansen's family took her in and gave her a beautiful,

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Speaker 11: Individuals who intention only shoot themselves, they're going to place

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Speaker 1: Well another issue is another issue is that if she

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Speaker 4: It didn't. And I mean, unless there's some information in

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Speaker 1: As she holden with US investigative reporter ABC fifteen Phoenix Ashley.

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Speaker 10: In the police report? It seems like yes, she was

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Speaker 10: Where were they taken? And it is unclear at the

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Speaker 1: Again, it is.

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Speaker 10: A question that we asked police after reading that report,

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Speaker 12: Gilbert PDI investigators check on Rachel's neighbors. No one else

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Speaker 12: Everyone says they didn't hear anything. The complex does not

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Speaker 2: A compassionate animal lover last seen on a neighbor's ring camera.

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Speaker 2: Who shot Rachel.

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Speaker 3: Cops have now released new information in Rachel's case, including

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Speaker 1: That bodycam footage that we are playing for you if

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Speaker 1: we could see that now, show's police storming into Rachel's

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Speaker 1: To Kim Hanson joining us, this is Rachel's mother, Miss Hanson, again,

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Speaker 1: I find probative she was not shot then in the

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Speaker 6: What we know is that she had a king sized bed,

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Speaker 5: And previously you were asking about the clothes that she

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Speaker 6: I believe that when we went to the apartment Tuesday

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Speaker 1: So those clothes were probably taken off her by EMT's

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Speaker 11: was on the other side, of the room and she

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Speaker 11: was lying flat. That would explain the upper jectory paths.

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Speaker 11: We base everything on the anatomic position, so if you

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Speaker 11: have an interest, swing to the left adamant and an

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Speaker 11: exit to the right shoulder, even if you're lying down

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Speaker 11: when the shooting occurred. We assume everybody is injured while

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Speaker 11: they're standing in the anatomic position, and so that woind

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Speaker 11: trajectory would be upward correct.

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Speaker 1: Joining us now a special guest board certified forensic psychologist

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Speaker 1: and you can find her at Veritas Forensic Psychology dot com.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Bree Pelegie, Doctor Bree, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 1: I was thinking about what the neighbors said that we

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Speaker 1: didn't hear a thing. You know, very often when you

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Speaker 1: do hear something, you don't register was that a gunshot?

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Speaker 1: You think, oh, was that a kickback from a car

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Speaker 1: or what was that? Is it? Because we don't want

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Speaker 1: to think it's a gun shot, Well why is that?

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Speaker 1: Because I find it really difficult. Nobody heard it and

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Speaker 1: it absolutely happened. Absolutely.

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Speaker 9: I think a lot of times people want to assume

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Speaker 9: that the place that they're living in is safe, and

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Speaker 9: so they may think it's.

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Speaker 5: A firework, it's a vehicle. That doesn't happen here, you know.

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Speaker 1: Very curious. Kim Hansen, this is Rachel's mom. She was

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Speaker 1: viewed on the neighbor's ring cam. I believe it was

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Speaker 1: around nine pm, and then she was shot a few

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Speaker 1: hours later. And at that time she was with the fiance.

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Speaker 1: Is that correct?

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Speaker 5: Yes, that's correct.

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Speaker 1: So that evening, how do we know the fiance went home?

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Speaker 5: He told us that he did.

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Speaker 7: He left around midnight.

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Speaker 6: We later learned that he was called to come home

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Speaker 6: and so he left, which would not be out of

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Speaker 6: the ordinary. He has a landscaping business and in the

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Speaker 6: Arizona heat, they have to start very early in the morning,

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Speaker 6: so it would make perfect sense for him to leave

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Speaker 6: and go home to be ready to go to work

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Speaker 6: at five am.

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Speaker 1: But wait a minute, what time was the shooting.

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Speaker 7: The shooting was at two am.

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Speaker 1: So Justin Yentez joining us, a renowned investigator, justin explain

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Speaker 1: to me that that timeline he went home at five,

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Speaker 1: but the shooting was it two ish?

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Speaker 4: Well, it's and we don't have the phone records, but

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Speaker 4: we understand that. Yeah, mister Bailey was called home sometime

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Speaker 4: in the late evening on June third, and then or

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Speaker 4: very early, very early in the morning on June fourth,

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Speaker 4: and then the shooting happened a couple of hours later

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Speaker 4: at two o seven.

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Speaker 1: At least the nine one one, Justin hold On called

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Speaker 1: home by him by his father. Okay, So the father

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Speaker 1: calls him home at what time?

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Speaker 4: We believe it's sometime in the late hours of June

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Speaker 4: third or the very early morning of June fourth, and

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Speaker 4: his father is the owner of Valanscape business where he worked.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Kim Hanson, can we nail down what time the

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Speaker 1: dad called him home to get him up for the

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Speaker 1: next morning.

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Speaker 6: I believe it was eleven thirty and he left by midnight.

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Speaker 6: It's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Okay. So obviously, to Ashley Holden, joining US investigative reporter

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Speaker 1: ABC fifteen Phoenix, Obviously that can be corroborated by cell

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Speaker 1: phone data, a NAV system in the car, many many

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Speaker 1: ways to corroborate what time the fiance leaves and what

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Speaker 1: time he gets home.

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Speaker 10: And we would love to know what kind of evidence

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Speaker 10: police looked at. Did they pull that cell phone data?

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Speaker 10: What we do know is that police did talk to

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Speaker 10: Rachel's fiance, did interview him, and I will say in

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Speaker 10: that police report In the days leading up to when

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Speaker 10: Rachel was shot, we did learn about some strange circumstances

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Speaker 10: that her fiance also relayed to police. We learned that Rachel,

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Speaker 10: who had been stuff letting her apartment, had just moved

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Speaker 10: back in, as Kim mentioned, but that neighbors had actually

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Speaker 10: called the apartment office saying that there was a commotion

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Speaker 10: happening at Rachel's apartment. There was yelling, and the apartment

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Speaker 10: complex management went over and they did see that they

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Speaker 10: called police. By the time police got there, all was quiet.

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Speaker 10: We also know that the locks were changed, and this

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Speaker 10: is after Rachel says that someone came into her apartment,

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Speaker 10: looked at her while she was in her bed, and

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Speaker 10: then left. She actually told that to her fiance, and

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Speaker 10: I believe she also told that to her parents as well,

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Speaker 10: So she had changed the lock and all of this

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Speaker 10: in the days leading up to when she was shot

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Speaker 10: and killed.

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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment though, as she holden. The

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Speaker 1: ruckus that people heard was that before she moved in,

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Speaker 1: or after she moved in and the tenants had moved out.

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Speaker 10: It was in the days as she was moving in,

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Speaker 10: and Kim can probably give you the exact date when

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Speaker 10: all of this happened, but I know that apartment management

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Speaker 10: they cited the day as May thirty first, and they

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Speaker 10: actually saw a man leaving her apartment. There was yelling.

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Speaker 10: There were multiple people in Rachel's apartment at that time.

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Speaker 1: What about it? Kim Hanson was the com during the

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Speaker 1: time she moved in, or before she had already moved in, There.

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Speaker 5: Was a lot of commotion.

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Speaker 7: It was all before Rachel had moved in.

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Speaker 6: She did not set foot in the apartment until Thursday,

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Speaker 6: which was I believe June's second The other people that

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Speaker 6: had subleased from her were moving out during that week

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Speaker 6: before Rachel got the keys and was moving back into

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Speaker 6: the apartment.

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Speaker 2: A desperate family begging for answers in the senseless and

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Speaker 2: cowardly murder of their daughter.

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Speaker 13: Rachel Hanson is well known in the Gilbert community as

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Speaker 13: a bona fide horse whisperer. At fourteen, Rachel is teaching

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Speaker 13: younger children to ride and breaking year links. Rachel has

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Speaker 13: away with other animals too, bringing home every stray dog

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Speaker 13: she comes across. Rachel is a great student, the only

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Speaker 13: girl on the football team, and a star soccer player.

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Speaker 13: Rachel is so accomplished she graduates high school early at

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Speaker 13: just sixteen years old.

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Speaker 1: Well she goes straight into taking her love for animals

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Speaker 1: and turning it into a business. At nineteen Listen.

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Speaker 12: Rachel continues to flourish after graduation. Rachel runs a busy

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Speaker 12: horse training business, a Z Hanson Horses, finding and breaking

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Speaker 12: wild horses for clients. Rachel also makes a deal with

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Speaker 12: the ranch owner in Queen's Creek to live and work

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Speaker 12: on the property as a trainer. At the onset of

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Speaker 12: the pandemic, Rachel also commits herself to running a dog rescue.

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Speaker 12: With her family's help, they find homes for over two

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Speaker 12: hundred dogs. In all her free time, Rachel studies to

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Speaker 12: earn her real estate license and has also found love

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Speaker 12: engaged to Mary.

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Speaker 1: I just got to ask you, Kim, who do you

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Speaker 1: think would have done this? And I want to be

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Speaker 1: very clear that the commotion the Ruckus tenant boy friend

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Speaker 1: had been selling marijuana out of the apartment, that bunch

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Speaker 1: was evicted, and then Rachel moves back in, none of

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Speaker 1: that had anything to do with her. But it concerns

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Speaker 1: me in this way, Kim, if any of those people

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Speaker 1: or people connected to them came back into the apartment

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Speaker 1: because the neighbors didn't know she had moved in. They

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Speaker 1: didn't know Rachel was now the tenant. I wonder if

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Speaker 1: other people went back to that apartment not realizing she

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Speaker 1: was the one living there.

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Speaker 7: That is a very real possibility.

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Speaker 6: And something that Ashley referenced was on Thursday night, her

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Speaker 6: first night in the apartment, there was an intruder that

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Speaker 6: had a key that came in and looked over her

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Speaker 6: as she was sleeping, and she said she thought it

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Speaker 6: was somebody that was involved with the people that were subleasing,

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Speaker 6: and saw that it was not those people and left,

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Speaker 6: and that is why she said she hadn't called the police.

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Speaker 1: Well, we know the we know it wasn't a suicide.

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Speaker 1: We know it wasn't the fiance, and Justin Entez joining

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Speaker 1: us a renowned investigator on this case. Justin, it was

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Speaker 1: at night, she was shot in the wee morning hours.

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Speaker 1: And even if the prior tenants have been cleared, what

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Speaker 1: about their dope clients and others. There was a ruckus,

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Speaker 1: there a big fight just before she moved in. Somebody

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Speaker 1: obviously had a key, could have come in into dark

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Speaker 1: and taken a shot, not realizing it was Rachel.

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Speaker 4: Exactly exactly, and that's one of the that's one of

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Speaker 4: the theories that we've been working with as.

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Speaker 1: Well with me Doctor Bree Pelegie, Board certified forensic Psychologists

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Speaker 1: at Veritas Forensics Psychology dot com. Doctor Bree, we immediately

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Speaker 1: have to look at the love interest, the fiancee. Okay,

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Speaker 1: he's ruled out his father at home with the fiance,

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Speaker 1: she's living by herself, and we we know that there

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Speaker 1: have been problems with the previous tenants that were just evicted.

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Speaker 1: In fact, one of them was selling dope. What do

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Speaker 1: you think how do you analyze random shooters?

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Speaker 9: I definitely think that this case appears to have been

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Speaker 9: a targeted attack. However, I don't think Rachel was the

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Speaker 9: intended victim. She's a low risk victim. This didn't appear

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Speaker 9: to be a personal attack. The individual that came into

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Speaker 9: our apartment the day before had keys, brought food, it

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Speaker 9: was dark, the person couldn't see. There's nothing about it

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Speaker 9: that looked like it was intended specifically for her.

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Speaker 1: So it's mistaken identity as to the target in the

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Speaker 1: dark two thirty in the morning after fiance had left.

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Speaker 1: That may explain why we're not getting a match on

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Speaker 1: the fingerprints of the people that lived there before. This

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Speaker 1: could have been someone that was coming after this and

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Speaker 1: they had a track record. Cops have been called to

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Speaker 1: the apartment several times before Rachel moved in. There is

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Speaker 1: a very important fact and that is the Families.

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Speaker 3: Go fund Me Listen Gilbert PD in the Hands and

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Speaker 3: Family is working with Silent Witness to collect tips and

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Speaker 3: offer a reward for information in Rachel Hansen's murder. Tips

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Speaker 3: can be submitted online as silentwitness dot org or called

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Speaker 3: for a zero witness for a zero WITNSS. The reward

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Speaker 3: for information leading to an arrest is up to fifteen

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Speaker 3: thousand dollars thanks to donations made through the Families go

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Speaker 3: fund Me Help the Hands in Solve Rachel's case.

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Speaker 1: The go fundme helping to raise money for the reward

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Speaker 1: that is now up to fifteen thousand dollars. Ashley hold

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Speaker 1: In joining US investigative reporter ABC fifteen Phoenix, Ashley, where

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Speaker 1: does the case stand now?

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Speaker 10: Well, in every page of that police report that we read,

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Speaker 10: it says inactive. And in that police report it says

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Speaker 10: as of February, police exhausted all of their leads and

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Speaker 10: then they took this place, to this case, to Silent Witness,

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Speaker 10: which is a nonprofit organization here in the valley that

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Speaker 10: helps to gather tips for police. Now, when we have

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Speaker 10: reached out to Gilbert Police, they still call this an

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Speaker 10: active homicide investigation, which is why they are being pretty

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Speaker 10: tight to the chest with the details that they tell us.

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Speaker 10: And I know that the Hansons really have told us

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Speaker 10: repeatedly they feel like someone out there knows something.

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Speaker 1: A fifteen thousand dollars reward. The tip line is four

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Speaker 1: eight zero nine four eight six ' three seven seven.

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Speaker 1: Repeat for eight zero nine four eight six ' three

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Speaker 1: seven seven. Kim Hansen is with us. Rachel's mom, Miss Hansen.

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Speaker 1: We cannot let this case go unsolved. What is your

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Speaker 1: message tonight, Miss Hanson?

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Speaker 6: My message is just to anybody out there that might

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Speaker 6: have heard or seen or known anything, or overheard a conversation,

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Speaker 6: just please share any information with the Silent Witness number.

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Speaker 6: We do truly believe that someone out there knows something.

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Speaker 6: We do not believe this was a random act of violence,

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Speaker 6: that it was a planned murder.

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Speaker 1: If you have information, please help us solve this case.

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Speaker 1: For A zero nine four eight six three seven seven.

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Speaker 1: There was a fifteen thousand dollars reward. Nancy Gray signing

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Speaker 1: off goodbye friend,