Speaker 1: I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies
Speaker 1: in the basement.
Speaker 2: Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking.
Speaker 3: I'm come to find out.
Speaker 1: This is like it exploded into this huge thing.
Speaker 4: I knew, I just knew something was wrong.
Speaker 5: Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was
Speaker 5: shot dead.
Speaker 4: I kept calling his phone during the drive.
Speaker 5: Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter.
Speaker 6: It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors.
Speaker 4: His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying
Speaker 4: he was targeted. Eventually a police officer answered and told
Speaker 4: me to come to the police station.
Speaker 6: Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms.
Speaker 7: If you know something, heard something, please it's never too
Speaker 7: late to.
Speaker 4: Do the right thing.
Speaker 8: So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and.
Speaker 6: I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I
Speaker 6: spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in
Speaker 6: the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get
Speaker 6: animal abusers arrested.
Speaker 8: We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators.
Speaker 8: We spent over a year and a half trying to
Speaker 8: get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man
Speaker 8: that was killing cats online and he was threatening to
Speaker 8: move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called
Speaker 6: Don't Fuck with Cats.
Speaker 8: That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills
Speaker 8: to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases.
Speaker 6: This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios.
Speaker 8: So in our last episode, we got some really good news.
Speaker 8: Police in Florida have made an arrest for the murder
Speaker 8: of Jared Bright, again, charging sixty two year old Henry
Speaker 8: Tennen for the murder.
Speaker 6: But there are still a lot of unanswered questions to
Speaker 6: this case, mainly who is Henry Tenyan and why did
Speaker 6: he plan, plot and kill Jared And what's Henry's connection
Speaker 6: to Jared to begin with, or to Jared's ex wife
Speaker 6: Shana and her new husband Mario. I mean, it still
Speaker 6: feels like there's a lot of unknowns in this case,
Speaker 6: and I think we need to continue digging. We need
Speaker 6: to go look through some social media and other publicly
Speaker 6: available on information.
Speaker 8: But while we do that, we also got a massive
Speaker 8: win in Shokaia's case. We've been waiting for her father
Speaker 8: to sign the FBI DNA Forum so Shakaia's information can
Speaker 8: be uploaded into a national database. According to Yellowstone County
Speaker 8: Sheriff's Office Detective Fritz, he said that he's been trying
Speaker 8: to get this DNA from the family since the case started.
Speaker 8: So for us to be able just to make a
Speaker 8: phone call and get this look at he split in
Speaker 8: a couple of days, I mean, it definitely highlights some
Speaker 8: problems in the system. So now we finally got our
Speaker 8: hands on this key piece of the puzzle that we've
Speaker 8: been waiting on, and it's very exciting.
Speaker 2: Mike's on the line, Mike, Hey, did you get any snow?
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, we got a bunch of snow and it's
Speaker 9: like ten degrees out.
Speaker 8: I saw the pictures, you said, absolutely gorgeous. Last time
Speaker 8: we talked, you had sent us the FBI form, right, yep,
Speaker 8: So get this. I called because I wanted to tell
Speaker 8: her about the form, right, and that what you had
Speaker 8: found you had, called Detective Fritz, and she her mom
Speaker 8: was there, and so her mom put me on speakerphone
Speaker 8: and we just kind of chatted, right she said, we
Speaker 8: will definitely get Chikaia's dad to sign this form. So
Speaker 8: I got I was out last night. I was out
Speaker 8: for dinner and I got a ping on my phone
Speaker 8: and it was an email from Shawnee and she got
Speaker 8: I got the form signed. Nice, and so I have it.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna send it to you tonight, okay, and then
Speaker 8: we'll go from there. I thought you would be more.
Speaker 9: Excited, No, I am. I was just going to ask, like,
Speaker 9: how long is it going to take when you get
Speaker 9: that farm's ligned? Because the sooner the better. So that's awesome. No, No,
Speaker 9: it's really cool, excellent.
Speaker 6: Nice.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I'll call you know, sometime mid morning, give
Speaker 9: them time to get in the office. I'll call him
Speaker 9: and let him know that we got it, yeah, and
Speaker 9: then I'll email it to him. I'll email, but once
Speaker 9: I get it, yeah, I'll get it. I'll send it
Speaker 9: right to him and then he'll get that submitted to
Speaker 9: the FBI, he said right away. And we'll know right
Speaker 9: away if any law enforcements, you know, found a body,
Speaker 9: God forbid, maybe they don't get one that no hit is.
Speaker 9: That's info too, so you know no hit is good
Speaker 9: in FO two.
Speaker 8: So Yeah, that's so true. No hit is good. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So the following night we talked to Mike Talk again.
Speaker 2: So hey, Mike, the last time we talked, we had
Speaker 2: gotten that form that needed to be signed and we
Speaker 2: got it in your hands, right, yes, and then you
Speaker 2: are going to contact Yellowstone County Sheriffs that we got
Speaker 2: the form correct.
Speaker 10: And I called the detectives and he was surprised, like,
Speaker 10: oh wow, you get in and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 10: we got her. So today I'm gonna email it to
Speaker 10: you right now, and he says great. He goes, I
Speaker 10: will send it next week with the DNA to the
Speaker 10: FBI and that'll be entered into their their database to
Speaker 10: see if we get a hit, and if we don't
Speaker 10: get a hit, it'll distain the database in case somebody
Speaker 10: submits some DNA, you know that it would show that her.
Speaker 10: This will be submitted to their database like kind of
Speaker 10: like a fingerprint, submitting fingerprints to see if we get
Speaker 10: a hit. They'll submit it in case her body was found,
Speaker 10: that's say in Arizona with no identification Arizona would submit
Speaker 10: DNA to the FBI trying to identify her. So by
Speaker 10: us now by the Yelson County now submitting her DNA.
Speaker 10: It'll be on file. God forbid, it's found that way.
Speaker 9: But at least, you know.
Speaker 10: We've got the needle moving in a direction that wasn't
Speaker 10: there before we started.
Speaker 9: So we've got that accomplishment.
Speaker 8: The most important thing is that the FBI gets a DNA,
Speaker 8: and we were able to facilitate that. So that's the
Speaker 8: most important thing, and I'm happy about that. After talking
Speaker 8: to Mike Talk, we reconnected with Michael Streied from SketchCop
Speaker 8: dot com.
Speaker 6: SketchCop was working on an age progression of Choicaia so
Speaker 6: we could make an updated missing person poster for her family.
Speaker 8: I Danna sketch Cop, our favorite cop.
Speaker 7: Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 8: How are you?
Speaker 7: I'm doing fine. How are you guys doing so?
Speaker 2: Mike, the last time Deanna spoke with you on the phone,
Speaker 2: provided you with some pictures and kind of gave you
Speaker 2: a general idea what maybe she looked like. So what
Speaker 2: have you been up to in that time?
Speaker 7: Just working on the photograph itself, amongst other crimes and
Speaker 7: other and sundry things I've been dealing with and working on.
Speaker 7: So that's why it's and I you know, and I
Speaker 7: really took a lot of time to look at it,
Speaker 7: because every time I do these, I try to get
Speaker 7: myself into the mindset of, you know, this is a
Speaker 7: just a just a very pretty young lady, and some
Speaker 7: of the stuff that you're describing to me that you know,
Speaker 7: the lifestyle is she might be engaging in now you know,
Speaker 7: some of the dangerous stuff that she was doing before
Speaker 7: she disappeared. And then then of course you know, we're
Speaker 7: we're thinking the worst of course, because she hasn't turned
Speaker 7: up voluntarily or otherwise, you know, danger her lifestyle, drugs,
Speaker 7: possibly human trafficking. It's going to take a toll on
Speaker 7: someone like her. So I just wanted to be very
Speaker 7: careful to ride that fine line of trying to keep
Speaker 7: her look while at the same time show the ravages
Speaker 7: of that sort of lifestyle. So it was there was
Speaker 7: still that sweetness in there. You can still tell just
Speaker 7: a proud young woman, but at the same time it
Speaker 7: reflects that just the wear and tear of what happens
Speaker 7: with folks that are out there. I'm gonna push saying
Speaker 7: that it's yikes, no way here we come.
Speaker 8: I've got it. Oh wow, she looks like her mom. Wow,
Speaker 8: that looks like Tamera. She's still beautiful, and you still captured,
Speaker 8: like you said, that sweetness, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I tried to keep that, and I elevated her
Speaker 7: chin just to I turned her face a little bit,
Speaker 7: and I elevated the chin so she didn't look so
Speaker 7: beaten down, so to speak. And then then just a
Speaker 7: burder her gaze just a bit, just kind of get
Speaker 7: that wistful look.
Speaker 8: Still very beautiful, but you can see just a little
Speaker 8: bit of age, you know, nothing crazy. She still looks
Speaker 8: like Shakaia.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 8: I got the chills, dude, all right, I'm gonna download
Speaker 8: that one. I got the chills, like for real.
Speaker 11: I like it because it captures that still looks innocent
Speaker 11: kind of look that she had, you know, and but
Speaker 11: I think it captures her overall character. Her overall look
Speaker 11: isn't there. So I'm ready to go to the second version.
Speaker 2: Is this going to be the short hair version?
Speaker 3: Mike?
Speaker 8: Yes, okay, Oh that looks different. Oh wow, you know,
Speaker 8: I have to tell you, if she had short hair,
Speaker 8: I don't know that I would recognize her looking at
Speaker 8: this photo.
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that yeah, it's the first thing
Speaker 2: that came across.
Speaker 8: My mind, right, and I've looked at all of her
Speaker 8: pictures like one hundred times, and if I saw her
Speaker 8: this woman walking down the street, I don't know that
Speaker 8: I would look twice. Wow, that makes such a big difference.
Speaker 8: Holy well, I mean, I'm I'm very impressed with your work.
Speaker 8: First of all, Like obviously you're very talented. I mean
Speaker 8: this is like forensic artistry, right, like this is this
Speaker 8: is very talented. But I'm stunned at how different V
Speaker 8: two looks like she would be what she would be
Speaker 8: twenty four now, living possibly a hard life, and I
Speaker 8: think this really captures that while still keeping her sweetness.
Speaker 8: I think this is so well done. I was really
Speaker 8: nervous because I didn't want to upset her family while
Speaker 8: still respecting the concept that we, you know, we want
Speaker 8: her to be recognized, right, That's that's the fine balance,
Speaker 8: like you were saying. And I think that they're going
Speaker 8: to see that sweetness in her still and I appreciate
Speaker 8: that for them. So now let's give Shakai's mom Tamora.
Speaker 6: I'll call these new updated photos from SketchCop and getting
Speaker 6: Shakaia's DNA into the FBI database are huge steps in
Speaker 6: the right direction, and they may help solve this missing
Speaker 6: person case.
Speaker 8: We gave Detective Fritz Dwight's DNA release, thank you guys
Speaker 8: for doing that, so he's gonna send it off to
Speaker 8: the FBI. So she turns up like in a hospital
Speaker 8: or somewhat even jail even and doesn't know who she is,
Speaker 8: you know, because that could happen. You know, that could happen.
Speaker 8: They'll be able to identify her anywhere in the country.
Speaker 8: So that's a big deal. We're really happy about that.
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm I'm excited because it's been about a year
Speaker 5: since you've been trying to get that.
Speaker 3: Going for her DNA.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, so that's a really good thing.
Speaker 6: Do I really appreciate you and I have hope, Like
Speaker 6: I've always wanted to know somebody who was out there
Speaker 6: helping me, you know.
Speaker 5: And it's a blessing to know that you guys are
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 8: And I really appreciate you, guys, I do, Camra.
Speaker 6: Thank you.
Speaker 8: That means a lot. That means more to me than
Speaker 8: you know. Yes, I know, it really does, And I
Speaker 8: really I am holding out hope that I'll be able
Speaker 8: to meet her, do you know what I mean? I
Speaker 8: don't care who I don't care who finds her. I
Speaker 8: just want her to get found. Don't care if it's me.
Speaker 8: I just want to give her a hug and.
Speaker 2: With her birthday.
Speaker 8: Oh baby.
Speaker 5: But I'm so thankful for you guys, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 7: God bless you guys.
Speaker 12: So, like this is everything that we would need to
Speaker 12: create like a missing person's poster.
Speaker 8: And I have like a like a lot.
Speaker 12: I have like some calculations running, like today's date versus
Speaker 12: the date she went missing, how long she's.
Speaker 8: Been missing, how old she is now?
Speaker 12: You know it's all calculated, right, so you're not going
Speaker 12: to mess with the forms and stuff. So she's been
Speaker 12: missing for fifty four months, you know that whole thing,
Speaker 12: and then all like her social media when she was
Speaker 12: reported missing.
Speaker 8: So let's do let's go get some older photos of her.
Speaker 13: Let's go look, let's go here, and I go to
Speaker 13: y'all and I go to her social media and we'll
Speaker 13: just pick a couple of different pictures of her uploads,
Speaker 13: upload files, may.
Speaker 3: Short hair.
Speaker 13: You know what we could do.
Speaker 8: And I was going to ask you about this.
Speaker 14: So there's a website like link tree, let's say, and
Speaker 14: there are permanent links on a permanent website that have
Speaker 14: like different things like our ocent page right, permanent link
Speaker 14: you get it. What if we made one of these
Speaker 14: from Shikaya and put links for Shakaya that people can
Speaker 14: scan with their que like for instance, yes, right, let's
Speaker 14: say you know one that we create that we can
Speaker 14: constantly add an update. Right, So there's a QR code
Speaker 14: people can scan it. It takes them to a link
Speaker 14: tree that we can give anybody access to. Shawne, I
Speaker 14: don't care, you know what I mean, Like, we'll turn
Speaker 14: it over. It doesn't matter. That can constantly be updated
Speaker 14: with new links like the phone number for Yellowstone PD.
Speaker 6: You know, I like it, I get it.
Speaker 1: Let's do it, Okay.
Speaker 4: So that's what it looks like right now?
Speaker 8: Perfect, all right, sweetheart, I think we're good. I'll upload
Speaker 8: and I'll finish the rest tomorrow and this weekend, and
Speaker 8: then maybe we can schedule a call with the family
Speaker 8: they took over all of this next week.
Speaker 6: Sounds good to me. But just because we finished with
Speaker 6: the poster doesn't mean we were done with Shakaia's case.
Speaker 8: So if you remember, we spoke with Darla and as
Speaker 8: a reminder, Darla's daughter was assaulted by Rico, and that's
Speaker 8: why he's currently in Yellowstone County Jail. He's facing charges
Speaker 8: for that assault. He has not been convicted. Well, Darla
Speaker 8: has become like a grassroots activists locally in Billings and
Speaker 8: she really wants to help fight Shakaya.
Speaker 6: Darla made some unbelievable discoveries about Rico and the people
Speaker 6: likely behind Shakaia's disappearance, so.
Speaker 8: We connect with her once again.
Speaker 3: I went to the crisis center here in town.
Speaker 1: There's crisis centers, and one of the security guards that
Speaker 1: works there, it said that he knows exactly who Rico is.
Speaker 1: One of the ladies knew who Rico was to and
Speaker 1: Rico would just hang out. He did the same thing
Speaker 1: at Tumbleweed until he was kicked out. Yes, he would
Speaker 1: go and wait outside of these types of.
Speaker 3: Places to look for girls.
Speaker 1: Security guards said that the girl that had been there,
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't identify to me who she was, but
Speaker 1: he said Rico taken off with the girl. They went
Speaker 1: to Great Falls and the girl never came back, but
Speaker 1: Rico did.
Speaker 8: Oh, he said Great Falls specifically.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I've heard from other people that Rico or
Speaker 1: this particular circuit runs women from here to Great Falls,
Speaker 1: down to Phoenix into San Diego and then across the
Speaker 1: border if they live that long.
Speaker 8: Oh shit, so we have a sighting of Chakaya in
Speaker 8: Great Falls. I mean, if what we suspect is true,
Speaker 8: then he's a very small piece in the much bigger puzzle, right, Yes, And.
Speaker 3: I've heard that there's people above Rico. He's not top dog.
Speaker 3: He didn't live in a really fancy apartment or drive
Speaker 3: a nice car. I think most of what he did
Speaker 3: was low level.
Speaker 1: So anyway, as time goes on, I start going out
Speaker 1: into the public and asking people about Rico. Lots of
Speaker 1: people know who Rico is. No one wants to talk
Speaker 1: about Rico. One we'll talk about Rico. Law enforcement told
Speaker 1: me to be very very careful because he or his
Speaker 1: people could come after me or my kids. You know,
Speaker 1: I think that's white targeted my daughter.
Speaker 3: He didn't. He thought she was like every other runaway.
Speaker 1: I thought she was vulnerable, right, and her parents wouldn't care,
Speaker 1: you know, they wouldn't look and they wouldn't do anything.
Speaker 1: And I'm not that person. What do you mess with
Speaker 1: the wrong mom? Cammy's no different from me, like she's
Speaker 1: her culture is a little different you know, but I
Speaker 1: want to understand it. There are people like me. There's
Speaker 1: groups of people like me who do care, who do
Speaker 1: want to see this change, not just for their culture,
Speaker 1: but everybody, all women to be treated equally, all of us,
Speaker 1: every no matter what. The thing that really pissed me off, though,
Speaker 1: was the difference between how they treated and a white
Speaker 1: girl and how they treated Shakaia. I don't get paid
Speaker 1: for this, but yet I spend so many hours of
Speaker 1: my day, like I just hyper focused on I'm going
Speaker 1: to find everything I can about Rico. As soon as
Speaker 1: I realized that, like I mean, I was gonna fight
Speaker 1: for my daughter, but I was going to fight even
Speaker 1: harder when I found out that, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: mother whose daughter was last seen with the same man that.
Speaker 3: Hurt my baby. I almost feel like Shikaia is my
Speaker 3: child too in a way, you know, like I'm fighting
Speaker 3: for her.
Speaker 1: I want Tammy to be there, to be able to
Speaker 1: see that some sort of justice has been done. It
Speaker 1: may not have been for Shakaia, wish it was. I
Speaker 1: would do anything for it to be for Shakaya. I
Speaker 1: wish that every day, but at least I can do this.
Speaker 3: I was loud about it. I'm not going to shut up.
Speaker 8: Hi, Shawnee, Hello, how are you darling?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 3: How about you? Guys? All right?
Speaker 8: Doing pretty good? Trying to get everything kind of tied
Speaker 8: up to get this out there to the public. So
Speaker 8: we wanted to get some new posters made for social
Speaker 8: media Instagram, tiktoks, you know that kind of stuff, Twitter, Facebook,
Speaker 8: and then also printable if we wanted to hang poster
Speaker 8: her somewhere. And so we had that done and I
Speaker 8: spent all weekend creating four new posters. So I said,
Speaker 8: I emailed them to you. I don't know if you
Speaker 8: can open them up while we're on the phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I can. Okay, there it is okay.
Speaker 8: Wow, she looks like your mom. Doesn't she look like
Speaker 8: your mom?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 8: And I saw it. I was like, ash, she looks
Speaker 8: like Tammy. So Shawnee, just so you know, we talked
Speaker 8: to Darla. Do you know who Darla is? Darla Oh,
Speaker 8: Darla May Watkins. Yeah, we talked to her last week
Speaker 8: and she gave us a bunch of information on on
Speaker 8: Rico and like, you know, what happened to her daughter
Speaker 8: and how that all worked out, and how there was
Speaker 8: like a middleman which we think is in your in
Speaker 8: Chicaya's case, we think is Romelo Big Day, And it
Speaker 8: was like the same kind of situation, right, and then
Speaker 8: she gave us a bunch of names to look into,
Speaker 8: so we're looking at those. So while they're doing the
Speaker 8: production for the podcast and all that, that's fine, John
Speaker 8: and I are still going to be looking for Chicaya,
Speaker 8: just so you know, we're not giving up just because
Speaker 8: the podcast is done and you have you have my
Speaker 8: contact info in my email if you ever, you know,
Speaker 8: want to reach out with any new information or whatever.
Speaker 8: But we're still looking at like YouTube videos of people
Speaker 8: that there's like a couple of content creators that interview
Speaker 8: like street kids kind of thing in different cities, and
Speaker 8: we're watching through those to see if she pops up,
Speaker 8: you know, because we don't know, we don't know what
Speaker 8: our situation is. We don't know if she's maybe homeless
Speaker 8: or if she's you know, living some in like a
Speaker 8: an apartment with you know, six other girls. We have
Speaker 8: no idea, so we're we're we're watching for her on
Speaker 8: social media, We're watching for her on you know, all
Speaker 8: those YouTube channels and stuff. And then we're also looking
Speaker 8: into a bunch of names that your mom gave us,
Speaker 8: which we found a couple of connections, and then with
Speaker 8: Darla too, so we're still well, we're still on the hunt. Basically,
Speaker 8: I just wanted to let you know, you know, kind
Speaker 8: of what we've been up to and that we haven't
Speaker 8: given up. Even though we haven't talked in a while,
Speaker 8: we haven't given up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 11: Is there is there anything new that we need to
Speaker 11: know about or anything you can share with us, Sonny, but.
Speaker 8: Case, yeah, Rico's case. We talked to Darla about that.
Speaker 8: I guess it got moved, yeah, and she told us yeah,
Speaker 8: it got yeah.
Speaker 13: So it keeps getting pushed back, and then they're a
Speaker 13: thing that he might get a sea deal.
Speaker 8: I mean, he might not know where Shakaia is at
Speaker 8: this moment, but I think he knows where she went
Speaker 8: because I think he took her there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, who do I There's not a doubt in my mind.
Speaker 5: So I'm just having a hard time with it all
Speaker 5: because they offered him the pay deal and there's possibly
Speaker 5: reducing his bun and but there's not a down in
Speaker 5: my mind, Deanna that he knows where she wins.
Speaker 8: I agree, Tammy, Yep, not a down in my mind
Speaker 8: that they all know, not a doubt. We still have
Speaker 8: so much to do. That's why we're not giving up.
Speaker 8: We're not Just because we're not recording the podcast doesn't
Speaker 8: mean we're going to give up. And you guys can
Speaker 8: of course email me whatever anything you have at any time.
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys so so much.
Speaker 6: Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in
Speaker 6: a moment.
Speaker 8: So as we keep digging into Charicaia's disappearance, yet another
Speaker 8: bombshell in Jared's case drops. So Henry Tennen, we know,
Speaker 8: was arrested, right, and he was arrested for the murder
Speaker 8: of Jared Bardian. Then there was a press conference and
Speaker 8: they said we're not going to be releasing the affidavit
Speaker 8: for thirty days, and we all assumed that it was
Speaker 8: because they didn't want to play their hand publicly. Right
Speaker 8: because as soon as the arrest the probable cause of
Speaker 8: David is released, we can read it and know how
Speaker 8: they linked Jared's murder to Henry. Right, and we learned
Speaker 8: that Henry rented a house from Mario right.
Speaker 5: Correct.
Speaker 6: Mario had a business where he owned rental properties and
Speaker 6: at one of them. Henry Tennan just happened to be
Speaker 6: one of his.
Speaker 8: Tenants, right, And then on February thirteenth, Henry Tennan pled
Speaker 8: not guilty to all four counts, so we were like, okay,
Speaker 8: well that's interesting. On March sixteenth, Henry changes his plea
Speaker 8: to guilty. So at that moment, you know he's cooperating.
Speaker 8: You know he's cooperating, right if he pleads guilty, they're
Speaker 8: offering him a deal for information. The same day, Mario
Speaker 8: Enrique Fernandez Seldana is arrested.
Speaker 13: Mario Fernandez Seldana is charged in the twenty twenty two
Speaker 13: shooting death of Bride Again. The suspect is married to
Speaker 13: Bridigan's ex wife, Shauna Gardner Fernandez.
Speaker 8: So Mario has been arrested for the murder of Jared Bridigan,
Speaker 8: Shana's husband, and Shana is the ex wife of Jared.
Speaker 8: So Shana and Mario are the two that we've kind
Speaker 8: of been looking at this whole time.
Speaker 6: And I think it should also be highlighted that what
Speaker 6: we've heard is Shana and Mario had separated. In January
Speaker 6: of this year. She relocated with the kids all across
Speaker 6: the country to Washington, Mario stayed behind in Florida and
Speaker 6: was living with his brother for a while. The house
Speaker 6: that they were living at was listed for sale, was unlisted,
Speaker 6: but recently was listed again. So it appears Shana was
Speaker 6: trying to distance herself from Mario and by distance, moved
Speaker 6: all the way to the other side of the United States.
Speaker 8: I wonder if that was by design, though, Like I know,
Speaker 8: I know that people say that the separation was sort
Speaker 8: of planned prior to the murder of Jerry Broad Again,
Speaker 8: but it just seems awfully convenient, right, correct? Was a
Speaker 8: separation for appearances? Like, look, I'm not even with him.
Speaker 6: If you're going to arrest him, that's got nothing to do.
Speaker 8: With me, right, that's all on him.
Speaker 6: I don't know, So I guess the question is was
Speaker 6: more Mario's lawyer appointed to him by the courts or
Speaker 6: did he hire a lawyer?
Speaker 8: No? I looked him up. So Mario's attorney and he's
Speaker 8: like a really respected, like criminal trial attorney in Jacksonville Beach.
Speaker 8: So in my mind that costs some money.
Speaker 6: Do you think because it's a high profile case, he
Speaker 6: took it pro bono?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 6: I do not, So who do you think is paying
Speaker 6: the attorney bill.
Speaker 8: I'm wondering if there's some sort of Chad Day bill
Speaker 8: in Idaho is paying for his attorney through like the
Speaker 8: sale of his properties and they're doing like a lean
Speaker 8: kind of situation. I wonder if the properties that Mario owns,
Speaker 8: if there's some sort of negotiation.
Speaker 6: There put him up as collateral.
Speaker 8: Yeah, or either that or they're still married like happily
Speaker 8: and you know the gardeners are taking care of it.
Speaker 8: I doubt that. But and the lawyer that Mario has
Speaker 8: for his criminal defense, his name is not Henry Zox.
Speaker 6: It's Jason Nolan Dracer.
Speaker 8: Jason, Yeah, it's Jesse Nolan Dracer.
Speaker 6: Oh, Jesse.
Speaker 8: So he's already filed like a motion for discovery, Like
Speaker 8: he is like on it right now, like he's going,
Speaker 8: He's like, I want to know what you've got. So
Speaker 8: he filed the motion of discovery, he filed emotion for
Speaker 8: a bill of particulars, and filed his notice of appearance
Speaker 8: with the court already and he did that today, correct.
Speaker 8: So that's what's going on. But there's also other news
Speaker 8: that Shana front right.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: On Reddit, there's like a lot of discussion about the children.
Speaker 8: There's a lot of discussion about the theory that Shana
Speaker 8: has given custody of her children, which are also Jared's children,
Speaker 8: to her parents, the Gardener's, and there's like a supposed
Speaker 8: family friend or somebody who's close with the family who
Speaker 8: has been spilling sort of these anonymous secrets. I don't
Speaker 8: know how credible they are. I have no idea who
Speaker 8: they are. I haven't even tried to look into it,
Speaker 8: but they are saying that Shana has given custody of
Speaker 8: the kids, and you know, family court is all sealed,
Speaker 8: you're not going to be able to get anything, so
Speaker 8: we can't like look this up to verify it. But
Speaker 8: apparently the grandparents have custody of the twins. I would
Speaker 8: imagine that that would be an issue, especially with the
Speaker 8: young boy having the health issues and being in Utah.
Speaker 8: So I don't know if if it's true. Did you
Speaker 8: know Shelley Gardner go to Washington to take care of them?
Speaker 8: I don't know, but the talk on Reddit that's been
Speaker 8: discussing this quite a bit has been that Shelley is
Speaker 8: in Washington and then their company is getting like blasted
Speaker 8: all over social media.
Speaker 6: And that's the one thing we do know the family
Speaker 6: owned company, released an email to their employees and staff
Speaker 6: talking about kind of saying we know nothing about this.
Speaker 8: You know. And it's interesting how that the letter is worded.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 8: They didn't say he was arrested for the murder of
Speaker 8: Shane's ex husband. They worded it like he was involved
Speaker 8: in like some white collar crime. So I'm going to
Speaker 8: read it real quick, Okay. Stamping Up is aware that
Speaker 8: Mario Fernandez, Shana Gardner's current husband, has been a rest
Speaker 8: in conjunction with an ongoing investigation. Shana, Shelley and Sterling's daughter,
Speaker 8: and Mario have been separated for an extended period of time.
Speaker 8: We have no further details about the situation other than
Speaker 8: what has been reported by the media. We understand that
Speaker 8: some demonstrators now they call their employees demonstrators. It's important
Speaker 8: to know that it's not like picketers, like people aren't protesting.
Speaker 8: We understand that some demonstrators have received troubling comments about
Speaker 8: this matter on their social media platforms. Please feel free
Speaker 8: to delete those comments of an inappropriate nature and block
Speaker 8: slash report those commenters on your personal accounts. You may
Speaker 8: also share this email with your teams if needed. Stamping
Speaker 8: Up's long standing commitment to you and all of our
Speaker 8: demonstrators is unwavering. Thank you for concern and continue to support, Sincerely,
Speaker 8: stamping Up. So, they neglected to mention that he was
Speaker 8: arrested for the murder of Shane's ex husband. They just said, oh,
Speaker 8: he's been arrested. It's just an ongoing and investor. You know,
Speaker 8: it's probably some white collar card. I mean, that's what
Speaker 8: it sounds like, like he was doing something fraudulent banking
Speaker 8: or something. They make sure to mention specifically, Shana and
Speaker 8: Mario have been separated for an extended period of time.
Speaker 8: What they failed to mention is that they were very
Speaker 8: much together when Jared was murdered. And so that letter
Speaker 8: spurned off the Jared Bright Again or the Justice for
Speaker 8: Jared by Instagram account man oh Man. I was like
Speaker 8: cheering it on the other night. It was just going
Speaker 8: wild with amazing memes and you know and thinking, now, listen,
Speaker 8: I'm not here to judge how anybody grieves, you know
Speaker 8: what I mean, Like when my mom died, I I
Speaker 8: cracked jokes, you know what I mean, Like, you can't
Speaker 8: sit there and judge how anybody grieves or how somebody
Speaker 8: celebrates like justice and the Justice for Jared by Instagram
Speaker 8: account was on fire that night. I mean, they were
Speaker 8: just making the greatest memes and also like really neat
Speaker 8: stories about how Kirsten and Jared met and like, you know,
Speaker 8: Jared just wasn't murdered. Their entire family was murdered, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean, like he was there, the entire center. Anyway,
Speaker 8: it was it was fantastic to see that on social media.
Speaker 8: But anyway, Yeah, there was a big uproar was stamping
Speaker 8: up and I listen, I don't think they're gonna go
Speaker 8: out of busess or anything like that. But it is
Speaker 8: interesting that in the state of Utah there's only been
Speaker 8: one news article written about this, and it was only
Speaker 8: a couple of days ago. The power that these people
Speaker 8: have in the state of Utah is quite scary. It's
Speaker 8: quite scary. And Shelley just got elected to some big
Speaker 8: hoody hoity toity thing in the church, so that makes
Speaker 8: it even more frightening. So that's the update that I have,
Speaker 8: which was a lot, I think.
Speaker 6: So imagine your Jared's two kids. One of them is
Speaker 6: in the car that he had with Kirston, but the
Speaker 6: two kids he had with Shana. They're finding out that
Speaker 6: the man their mother married after she left Jared is
Speaker 6: now responsible for the death of their father. That's gotta
Speaker 6: be a difficult conversation you have with those kids.
Speaker 8: There really is no press about this in Utah, like none.
Speaker 8: It's been a big controversy. So I don't know what
Speaker 8: they're being told. They might not even know. I hope
Speaker 8: they don't know. I mean, I really do. We don't
Speaker 8: know what they're being told. But if they are being
Speaker 8: told what's going on, I can't imagine what they're going through.
Speaker 8: I honestly can't imagine. And you know, with the Markel
Speaker 8: Act in Florida being passed, it would be very interesting
Speaker 8: to know what's going to end up happening if Shana
Speaker 8: is charged.
Speaker 6: So we touched on this in one of our previous
Speaker 6: conversations with Kirsten about is Jared's parents still alive and
Speaker 6: do they have access to the kids, And right now
Speaker 6: they don't. But if Shana was somehow implicated in all
Speaker 6: this and proven that she had some was guilty of
Speaker 6: what happened to Jared, then the Mercle Act could go
Speaker 6: into effect and then Jared's parents would be able to, then,
Speaker 6: I think, go to court and ask for access to
Speaker 6: their grandchere children and be able to see them again.
Speaker 8: Not only that they could access for custody, they could
Speaker 8: ask for custody and get it.
Speaker 6: So do you think the Gardeners are going to try
Speaker 6: and fight that in court considering what we know happened
Speaker 6: to the child custody?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that's gonna work.
Speaker 8: I don't know. You know, I see a lot of
Speaker 8: people saying what a wonderful woman Shelley is and that
Speaker 8: she really does have a lot of a big heart,
Speaker 8: but that she's blind when it comes to Shana. So
Speaker 8: maybe in her defense, you know, I just got to
Speaker 8: play devil's advocate. She doesn't know. She does believe Shane
Speaker 8: is an ascent and doesn't have anything to do with this,
Speaker 8: and Shane is a victim too, and so anyway, that's
Speaker 8: the update, and it's a big update.
Speaker 6: The good thing is is that arrest are being made. Obviously,
Speaker 6: the case is moving forward, and it looks like there
Speaker 6: will finally be some gusted for Jared and his family
Speaker 6: members and his kids. That's that I mean. We were
Speaker 6: talking about how this has been going on for almost
Speaker 6: a year and then almost to the date to announce
Speaker 6: the arrest of Henry Tanyans.
Speaker 8: But I think it's I think it's telling because sometimes
Speaker 8: you can tell things by what the court doesn't do, right,
Speaker 8: Like they haven't released the probable cause euvidata yet. Why
Speaker 8: would that be because they're still instigation. They're still looking
Speaker 8: at Shana one hundred percent, like I guarantee they are
Speaker 8: still they need to talk to Mario right and see
Speaker 8: what he decides to turn over right correct, see what
Speaker 8: he starts to say. And it took a month. It
Speaker 8: took a month for Henry Tennant to do it, you know,
Speaker 8: to say, Okay, fine, I'll plead guilty and I'll give
Speaker 8: you all this information. So it's it's going to be
Speaker 8: interesting to see now. You know. There's a lot of
Speaker 8: there's a lot of talk about can't testify against your what? Yes,
Speaker 8: you can, it's an option. Okay, let's get that. Let's
Speaker 8: make that clear. It's an option. You don't have to,
Speaker 8: but you absolutely can. You know what I mean. People
Speaker 8: are like, no, it's his wife, he can't test Yes
Speaker 8: he can, Yes, he fucking can.
Speaker 6: Big update.
Speaker 8: I just think it's interesting sometimes, look at what's been redacted?
Speaker 6: Right, yeah?
Speaker 8: Why did they redact this? And why did they redact?
Speaker 8: You can you know what it says? Why did they?
Speaker 8: So sometimes you can read between the lines, and with
Speaker 8: them not releasing the PCA or the probable cause abbidavit,
Speaker 8: we know they're still building the case against somebody else.
Speaker 8: So I think we are both surprised and not surprised
Speaker 8: that Mario's been arrested, right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think we all saw the connection, and we've
Speaker 6: always suspected Henry Tennon probably didn't act alone, and given
Speaker 6: Mario now that we know he was Henry's landlord, there's
Speaker 6: the clear connection right there.
Speaker 8: But there's another question, right, does this in any way
Speaker 8: connect to Shana? And you know Kirsten has always suspected
Speaker 8: Mario's involvement, so what is she thinking?
Speaker 6: I think we should talk with her.
Speaker 8: I think we have to talk to her.
Speaker 6: Hey, Kirsten, I guess this is that moment to kind
Speaker 6: of hear how you're feel and what you're thinking. And
Speaker 6: I'm sure it's a lot you've been going through, So
Speaker 6: if you don't mind, can you kind of share how
Speaker 6: things have been going with you and what you think
Speaker 6: about the arrest? Of Mario and what you think will
Speaker 6: happen next.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Honestly, when Henry Tennen was arrested and I was
Speaker 4: able to see his photo, it was such a weird,
Speaker 4: weird thing to process because here you see this photo
Speaker 4: of someone that you know, according to law enforcement, was
Speaker 4: the one that ended your husband's life, and you've never
Speaker 4: seen him before in your life, and you know your
Speaker 4: husband had never seen him until the day he died.
Speaker 4: And what made it even more strange to me is
Speaker 4: that I didn't hate him. Like when I saw his photo,
Speaker 4: what I thought I would just be filled with like
Speaker 4: anger and hate, And yeah, there was a little bit
Speaker 4: of anger, but I also just like felt some pity almost.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the right way to describe it,
Speaker 4: but you know, looking at the photo that I was
Speaker 4: provided of him and hearing a little bit about his background,
Speaker 4: I'm just like, what got him to a point in
Speaker 4: his life life where he would agree to end the
Speaker 4: life of someone he didn't know. And so I'm very
Speaker 4: grateful that despite all the wrong he has done to us,
Speaker 4: he decided to do something right and confess and agree
Speaker 4: to testify against co conspirators. And then that's how we
Speaker 4: got to Mario Mario's arrest. Mario's a different story. You know,
Speaker 4: my feelings for Mario. I have no pity for him.
Speaker 4: He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew who
Speaker 4: Jared was, He knew that Jared was a father, that
Speaker 4: he would be leaving children, multiple children, including two that
Speaker 4: lived with Mario and Shanna without Jared. That he would
Speaker 4: be leaving a six month old and a two year
Speaker 4: old without a father for their entire lives. So my
Speaker 4: feelings towards Henry and towards Mario were very different, despite
Speaker 4: them both being involved in Jared's murder. It was just
Speaker 4: kind of a took me by surprise.
Speaker 8: Well, I think that's there's a lot of grace on
Speaker 8: your part. I mean, you definitely walk the walk Kriston
Speaker 8: with your faith and when I find that very commendable.
Speaker 8: And I don't know that I would have shown the
Speaker 8: same amount of grace to Henry, but I definitely understand it.
Speaker 8: The fact that he is cooperating, you know, and is
Speaker 8: able to turn over hopefully you know, evidence that can
Speaker 8: help convict Mario in the murder of Jared, because you know,
Speaker 8: you're right, he did know that Jared was, you know,
Speaker 8: part of a very loving family, four beautiful children. He
Speaker 8: knew all that. So hopefully, hopefully anything that Henry can
Speaker 8: do to help that, I'm sure you're grateful for.
Speaker 6: If you don't mind, I'm going to go back a
Speaker 6: little bit. So the first opportunity we had to speak
Speaker 6: with you, you kind of walked us through the day of
Speaker 6: the incident and how you had gotten a phone call
Speaker 6: from the Jacksonville Police and you had this gut feeling
Speaker 6: you knew what happened. Eleven months later, Jacksonville police arrest
Speaker 6: Henry Tenon State Attorney General chargism with the murder of Jared.
Speaker 6: A few months later, Mario gets arrested. Here we are, Now,
Speaker 6: what's your gut feeling telling you?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 4: This one I'm struggling with. I felt pretty certain about
Speaker 4: what Henry would do, which is why I addressed part
Speaker 4: of my remarks to him and his family Mario. I
Speaker 4: don't have as clear feelings on Mario's in my experience.
Speaker 4: Mario's a very prideful person, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: his pride will allow him to plea guilty or if
Speaker 4: he will want a trial and he will be convinced
Speaker 4: that he can make twelve jurors believe him.
Speaker 6: Need to convince twelve, he needs to convince one.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, So that's even easier for him. You know,
Speaker 4: we have to convince twelve. He only convinced one. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, hypothetically, if someone that he was
Speaker 4: involved with was the real brains behind the operation and
Speaker 4: has left him out to dry, would his pride care
Speaker 4: more about bringing that person down than about continuing the
Speaker 4: pain for me and my family. Right, I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I don't know which way we'll go.
Speaker 8: I wondered when the state was saying they were going
Speaker 8: to do the death penalty. I thought, Okay, well, maybe
Speaker 8: this will be the push for him to, you know,
Speaker 8: start talking, and maybe that's why you know, this is
Speaker 8: this is happening in the way it's happening. I'm just
Speaker 8: surprised it hasn't happened yet. I honestly, I'm surprised. And
Speaker 8: maybe it is and I don't know about it, and
Speaker 8: that's fine, But I am surprised that he because I
Speaker 8: do believe, just in like reading about him and his
Speaker 8: narcissism and you know whatnot, that that he would try
Speaker 8: to save himself literally try to save himself and throw
Speaker 8: her under the bus with evidence, obviously, but it hasn't
Speaker 8: happened yet as far as I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and so when we're at the recent court hearing
Speaker 4: where they filed the death notice, he even walked in
Speaker 4: kind of seeming like he was cocky, like you can't
Speaker 4: a little strut, and then he did this like half
Speaker 4: smile smirk at his newest attorney, And part of me
Speaker 4: just wonders, has it sunk in yet? Like do you
Speaker 4: realize that there's a high chance you will be put
Speaker 4: to death for what you've done? And are you willing
Speaker 4: to go that far to protect someone that you are
Speaker 4: no longer involved with. I wouldn't if I were in
Speaker 4: his shoes, Like, I don't know, but part of me
Speaker 4: wonders if it's even sunk in yet.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So, just so everybody's aware, Shanna took the twins
Speaker 6: and moved across country. Mario stayed behind in Florida, and
Speaker 6: it doesn't appear that they're still together. There was rumors
Speaker 6: that they may be divorcing. We don't know, but it
Speaker 6: seems very odd that she would leave him go across country.
Speaker 6: He stays there. Now he's arrested, he's been charger's first
Speaker 6: degree murder, so therefore the death penalty applies. So how
Speaker 6: far is he willing to go with this before he
Speaker 6: decides I better, in order to save myself and get
Speaker 6: a life sentence with maybe a possibility a prol twenty
Speaker 6: five thirty years, I need to start cooperating.
Speaker 12: That.
Speaker 6: That's basically where we're at right now. We're all waiting
Speaker 6: for to hear that Mario is now cooperating and he's
Speaker 6: turning over information that implicates a third person. So, I mean,
Speaker 6: it's got to be very worrisome on your part. Why,
Speaker 6: like Deanna is saying, why hasn't he done it yet?
Speaker 8: Obviously we've been keeping up to date on what's been
Speaker 8: going on, even though we haven't really been talking and whatnot,
Speaker 8: but we've been keeping up to date. And of course
Speaker 8: I follow the Instagram and the tiktoks and all that.
Speaker 8: And I noticed that a big part of this was
Speaker 8: this new judge that got assigned.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, we finally have a judge.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and she seems like a great judge. Through everything
Speaker 8: that you've been through, do you have faith in the
Speaker 8: justice system working the way it should? And I know
Speaker 8: there's still possibly real quick. I know there's possibly still
Speaker 8: an outlier, right that we don't know what's going to
Speaker 8: happen there. Yeah, but do do you feel with this judge?
Speaker 8: And I looked her up and I saw the post
Speaker 8: that you had made about her and how wonderful she
Speaker 8: seems to be. It's a good thing, but still, well,
Speaker 8: the justice system has to do what the justice system
Speaker 8: has to do. Do you have faith in that coming
Speaker 8: to fruition?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's honestly something I kind of go back and
Speaker 4: forth on. On one hand, I feel like there is
Speaker 4: justice being done so far, and hopefully it's not just
Speaker 4: an arrest, it's a conviction and a sentencing whatever that
Speaker 4: may be, and that not only falls on the judge
Speaker 4: but ultimately a jury. So there's gonna be twelve strangers
Speaker 4: that I've never met, who never knew Jared, never knew more,
Speaker 4: who never knew Henry, and justice is going to be
Speaker 4: in their hands as well. And that's a little it
Speaker 4: makes my stomach suring because you just don't know, you
Speaker 4: don't know what people are going to think about the evidence.
Speaker 8: Or right, how a jury's going to take it right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So that is a little bit scary for me. Honestly,
Speaker 4: thinking about sitting through a trial, that part I don't
Speaker 4: think is justice, you know, like that just traumatizes the
Speaker 4: victim's family more, which is one reason I'm also grateful
Speaker 4: that Henry decided to please rather than put us through
Speaker 4: a trial. So that's one trial saved and hopefully, you know,
Speaker 4: who knows what other people will do, right, So I
Speaker 4: feel like justice is happening. But honestly, if it was
Speaker 4: true justice, and this is where you know, obviously things
Speaker 4: are set up in place to prevent any people from
Speaker 4: being punished, but if it was true justice, we wouldn't
Speaker 4: have to go through all of these hearings, all of
Speaker 4: these court dates of oh we're not gonna set a trial, now,
Speaker 4: we're gonna bump it another thirty days. Oh we're gonna
Speaker 4: bump it another forty days and draw it out. It
Speaker 4: just it doesn't allow that wound to fully close. Whereas
Speaker 4: you know, like back in the olden days.
Speaker 8: The guilty or just right, it happened very quickly, right.
Speaker 4: Yeh, Which I get why we've put systems in place
Speaker 4: to protect people who are wrongfully arrested. But in this case,
Speaker 4: where everything in my being knows who did it, it
Speaker 4: seems a little injust that we have to.
Speaker 8: Go through all the hoops, right right, I totally understand that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, mixed emotions on on that.
Speaker 6: Well, let's see, you got the gunman who is willing
Speaker 6: to testify. You have the new or the ex husband
Speaker 6: or the husband the second husband who might be willing
Speaker 6: to testify. I don't see that case going to trial.
Speaker 4: I think a truly narcissistic person who has unlimited funds
Speaker 4: would take trial.
Speaker 8: I did too. In fact, I think that somebody that's
Speaker 8: truly narcissistic would believe that they really haven't done anything
Speaker 8: wrong and that they have the power to do that.
Speaker 8: I mean, anybody who kills somebody is a little bit
Speaker 8: of a narcissist. Let's be honest. I mean, you're you're
Speaker 8: acting as God at that point. You have the power
Speaker 8: to take somebody's life. So, I mean, we can sit
Speaker 8: here and say there won't be a trial, but I
Speaker 8: mean it happens all the time the narcissist, So I
Speaker 8: don't know.
Speaker 6: It's a dependent upon the state to prove a person guilty.
Speaker 6: So everybody has a legal right to have a fair trial.
Speaker 6: So yeah, you're probably more than likely one of these
Speaker 6: will go.
Speaker 8: Is everybody doing okay in the family, because Jared's family too,
Speaker 8: like his how is his brother and you know Adam,
Speaker 8: And is everybody doing okay?
Speaker 4: I think we all have ups and downs. Like I
Speaker 4: talk to Adam the most. He and I are probably
Speaker 4: the most involved in Jared's case and keeping things updated.
Speaker 4: Then he loops and everybody else on his side. But
Speaker 4: he and I definitely do have hard days. And thankfully
Speaker 4: it seems like when he's having a really downer time,
Speaker 4: I'm okay, and when I'm having a super downer time,
Speaker 4: He's okay. So we're able to help each other through it.
Speaker 4: His wife I talk to a lot, you know, she
Speaker 4: tells me how Adam's doing. I vent to her, cry
Speaker 4: to her. You know, I have my brothers that I've
Speaker 4: cried to. So it's hard, but we're pushing through.
Speaker 8: Good's that's good. Where do you think all this is
Speaker 8: going to go?
Speaker 3: Do?
Speaker 8: You obviously are going to implicate people who are innocent
Speaker 8: or whatever, But where do you think all this is going?
Speaker 8: Every day I check Washington, you know, and what's going
Speaker 8: on there, and you know, a lot of it is
Speaker 8: all rumor and speculation and stuff like that. So you know,
Speaker 8: I know there's things that you probably can't say, and
Speaker 8: please don't feel any pressure to do so, But what
Speaker 8: do you think is gonna happen? Like, where do you
Speaker 8: think all this is going? I still can't imagine, I'm
Speaker 8: going to say it. I still cannot imagine that she
Speaker 8: didn't know about this, And I also still can't imagine
Speaker 8: that any money that was paid to Henry was done
Speaker 8: so without her knowing about it, just her personality type.
Speaker 8: I just know that she had the purse strings right,
Speaker 8: So I just it's frustrating for me as an outsider,
Speaker 8: I can't imagine, and I never want to be in
Speaker 8: your position, but I just can't imagine the frustration that
Speaker 8: you're dealing with it because it's like everybody knows. Everybody knows.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's honestly frustrating knowing that you know, as
Speaker 4: they say, it's an open investigation, so we know that
Speaker 4: it's not fun with Henry and Mario. It is frustrating
Speaker 4: trying to be patient. But though you look at other
Speaker 4: cases and having two people behind bar within I think
Speaker 4: thirteen or fourteen months, it's actually pretty remarkable. So I
Speaker 4: am grateful that according to usual crime timelines, we are
Speaker 4: pretty quick, but does it feel quick when you're you're
Speaker 4: the family that's been hurt and are waiting for justice
Speaker 4: to be done. It feels like an eternity. So where
Speaker 4: I think it's going, I think, well, Henry's kind of
Speaker 4: wrapped up, so he's in jail until sentencing. Mario as
Speaker 4: of now is intending to go to trial, which likely
Speaker 4: will not take place until at least next spring at
Speaker 4: the earliest, and then it's still an open investigation. So
Speaker 4: I would assume that there will be another arrest at
Speaker 4: some point and then who knows how long until that
Speaker 4: trial takes place.
Speaker 6: Have you guys had any contact with Shanna or any
Speaker 6: discussions about the kid or being the twins and being
Speaker 6: able to see them or have any access to them
Speaker 6: at all.
Speaker 4: So I have not seen or spoken to Liam and
Speaker 4: Abbey since April of twenty twenty two, so it's been
Speaker 4: over a year. I have asked for visitations via FaceTime
Speaker 4: now that they are no longer here regularly. It was
Speaker 4: multiple times a month, then I took it down to
Speaker 4: once a month because I was just getting no response.
Speaker 4: I've asked Shanna until she blocked my phone number. I
Speaker 4: was texting her. Then I started emailing her and her attorney.
Speaker 4: No response except an accident or reply from her attorney
Speaker 4: that was supposed to be to her that just basically
Speaker 4: said I don't think you need to respond. And I
Speaker 4: also have texted her dad, Sterling Gardner because I had
Speaker 4: his phone number, asking for help just allowing the kids
Speaker 4: to talk, and he has also ignored me, thankfully. Jared's
Speaker 4: sister Ashley contacted Shanna. I gave her her phone number
Speaker 4: at the end of last year and asked to be
Speaker 4: able to contact them. Shanna did allow her to have
Speaker 4: a face time with them, so she was able to
Speaker 4: talk to them, and then just recently Jared's parents. They
Speaker 4: had reached out to Shanna's attorney last summer asking to
Speaker 4: talk to the twins before he went through cancer treatments
Speaker 4: and was ignored, but they reached out again in April
Speaker 4: asking if they could talk to them for their birthday,
Speaker 4: and Shelly, Shanna's mother, actually facilitated a call with them
Speaker 4: and the twins for fifteen minutes. She limited it fifteen
Speaker 4: minutes and kind of said some boundaries on things they
Speaker 4: couldn't say, so she couldn't tell them about they couldn't
Speaker 4: tell them about me and the girls, or mentioned Jared,
Speaker 4: nothing of that nature. Just keep it. What are you
Speaker 4: guys up to? And that's all the contact that I
Speaker 4: am aware of that has been allowed.
Speaker 8: Let's stop here for another quick break. Every single time
Speaker 8: we spoke to Kirsten, we have been struck by her grace,
Speaker 8: her determination, and her resilience.
Speaker 6: She's turned this awful tragedy in her life, the murder
Speaker 6: of her husband, into something positive and it's giving back
Speaker 6: to the community by creating the Bexley Box initiative.
Speaker 4: So we started the Britdigan Foundation in order to further
Speaker 4: spread our Bexley Box initiative. The Bexley Box started just
Speaker 4: as an idea that I had after reflecting back on
Speaker 4: Bexley's experience at the Jacksonville Beach Police Department. They did
Speaker 4: their best with what they had, but they really didn't
Speaker 4: have essentials for kids that were there for hours. You know,
Speaker 4: she didn't have a correct sized diaper, no sippy cup,
Speaker 4: very limited toys to keep her entertained for the amount
Speaker 4: of time she was there, and nothing comforting like, you know,
Speaker 4: a stuffed animal or a blanket. So the Bexley Box
Speaker 4: is a refillable resource that we provide to law enforcement
Speaker 4: agencies that contains those essentials, so premixed formula, bottles, allergy
Speaker 4: friendly snacks, blankets, coloring supplies, anti anxiety relieving toys, lots
Speaker 4: of things that we worked with people in the community
Speaker 4: to compile that would be beneficial to kids. We have
Speaker 4: place twenty four of these boxes to date, and we
Speaker 4: have a whole list of agencies to go that have
Speaker 4: already asked for them, and we're gonna be working our
Speaker 4: way down. But we are always looking for people who
Speaker 4: either want to help us place one in their local
Speaker 4: law enforcement agency if they have connections there, or donations
Speaker 4: that go to help us build and deliver these boxes.
Speaker 8: I love that the thought of a child sitting in
Speaker 8: the police station without any comfort is upsetting.
Speaker 4: Honestly, that was like one of those things that just
Speaker 4: ate at me. In addition to like people didn't know
Speaker 4: who it was, and like Bexley's experience could have been better,
Speaker 4: Like she went through the worst, it could have been
Speaker 4: better for her right after that and no fall of
Speaker 4: the officers, but right right and now, when I've met
Speaker 4: with you know, sheriffs or police chiefs or victims advocates.
Speaker 4: They said, we hadn't even thought about this, Like, this
Speaker 4: isn't something we think about as officers. It takes a
Speaker 4: parent to be like, my child would need this. Yeah.
Speaker 4: And that's one of the really beautiful things that came
Speaker 4: out of the instagram is when I shared that idea,
Speaker 4: the outpouring of support was amazing. Boxes just kept showing
Speaker 4: up at my house. Mostly mothers were messaging me with
Speaker 4: have you thought of this? One of them suggested the formula.
Speaker 4: I didn't formula feed my kids. That wasn't even in
Speaker 4: my brain. I was like, you know what, that's a
Speaker 4: great idea. Another one had seen the snacks that we
Speaker 4: were putting in and said, what about you know, allergy
Speaker 4: sensitive children. I was like, we should just make them
Speaker 4: all allergy friendly as much as we can, you know,
Speaker 4: like gluten free, peanut free. So it was just a
Speaker 4: beautiful thing that came out of the social media of
Speaker 4: people coming together to make an idea even better for
Speaker 4: children who might find themselves in that situation.
Speaker 8: I mean, I hate to even say this, but it's
Speaker 8: kind of like the blessing in disguise right with her experience,
Speaker 8: that her legacy will be helping other children that are
Speaker 8: going through something traumatic be just find a tiny bit
Speaker 8: of comfort. And I think that I think that's really special,
Speaker 8: and I hope that it's successful and it's spread throughout
Speaker 8: the whole country. I mean, kids don't deserve any of this.
Speaker 8: Well yeah, and you certainly don't. And and I'm not
Speaker 8: putting you on a penesilal or whatever, but I every
Speaker 8: time I talk about this case with like my friends
Speaker 8: in real life or you know, people who I'm work
Speaker 8: with or whatever, I always say, you, guys don't understand
Speaker 8: miss Bride Again. She is a force. She is a force.
Speaker 8: And I will say too, you have been the stamp
Speaker 8: of care for your family in dealing with a traumatic event.
Speaker 8: You have been relentless in the pursuit of justice for
Speaker 8: your family. And I'm so proud of you. And I
Speaker 8: know Jared is too. Like I didn't know Jared, clearly
Speaker 8: I didn't, but I feel like I did through you,
Speaker 8: and I know he is just so proud of you.
Speaker 4: Thank you means a lot, honestly.
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