WEBVTT - New Perspectives 0:00:00.920 --> 0:00:03.640 I've heard that there's a house that has some bodies 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:04.240 in the basement. 0:00:04.440 --> 0:00:07.440 Somebody told you that Shakaia was a victim of human trafficking. 0:00:07.600 --> 0:00:08.479 I'm come to find out. 0:00:08.560 --> 0:00:12.120 This is like it exploded into this huge thing. 0:00:12.440 --> 0:00:14.560 I knew, I just knew something was wrong. 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:17.320 Police say thirty three year old Jared Bride Again was 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:17.919 shot dead. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:20.280 I kept calling his phone during the drive. 0:00:20.520 --> 0:00:22.800 Gunned down in front of his two year old daughter. 0:00:22.920 --> 0:00:25.160 It's a murder of the stun Jack Speach neighbors. 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:28.880 His murder has attracted national attention, with the investigators saying 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.840 he was targeted. Eventually a police officer answered and told 0:00:31.840 --> 0:00:33.320 me to come to the police station. 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.760 Justice is something that takes different shapes or forms. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.280 If you know something, heard something, please it's never too 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:43.760 late to. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:44.400 Do the right thing. 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.080 So I'm Dana Thompson aka Body Movin, and. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.519 I'm John Green. For about a decade, Deanna and I 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:54.400 spent a lot of time on the Internet, especially in 0:00:54.440 --> 0:00:57.480 the underbelly of the Internet, trying to identify and get 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.120 animal abusers arrested. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:05.560 We spent countless hours scouring the dark web helping catch predators. 0:01:05.800 --> 0:01:07.600 We spent over a year and a half trying to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.360 get law enforcement to take us seriously about a man 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:12.880 that was killing cats online and he was threatening to 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.440 move on to kill humans. And that was Luca mcnatdah. 0:01:15.760 --> 0:01:18.559 Yeah, you might have heard about the Netflix special called 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:19.640 Don't Fuck with Cats. 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:24.360 That's us. Well, now we're turning our online investigator skills 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:28.520 to some of the most unexplained, unsolved, and just ignored cases. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:35.360 This is True Crimes, the production of iHeartRadio and Kat's Studios. 0:01:36.400 --> 0:01:39.000 So in our last episode, we got some really good news. 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:41.640 Police in Florida have made an arrest for the murder 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:44.559 of Jared Bright, again, charging sixty two year old Henry 0:01:44.600 --> 0:01:45.680 Tennen for the murder. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:48.000 But there are still a lot of unanswered questions to 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:51.040 this case, mainly who is Henry Tenyan and why did 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:54.240 he plan, plot and kill Jared And what's Henry's connection 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.800 to Jared to begin with, or to Jared's ex wife 0:01:56.800 --> 0:01:59.520 Shana and her new husband Mario. I mean, it still 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:01.720 feels like there's a lot of unknowns in this case, 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:03.960 and I think we need to continue digging. We need 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:06.200 to go look through some social media and other publicly 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.280 available on information. 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:09.920 But while we do that, we also got a massive 0:02:09.919 --> 0:02:12.480 win in Shokaia's case. We've been waiting for her father 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:15.880 to sign the FBI DNA Forum so Shakaia's information can 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:19.840 be uploaded into a national database. According to Yellowstone County 0:02:19.840 --> 0:02:23.720 Sheriff's Office Detective Fritz, he said that he's been trying 0:02:23.720 --> 0:02:26.840 to get this DNA from the family since the case started. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:28.480 So for us to be able just to make a 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:30.679 phone call and get this look at he split in 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.560 a couple of days, I mean, it definitely highlights some 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:36.720 problems in the system. So now we finally got our 0:02:36.760 --> 0:02:39.400 hands on this key piece of the puzzle that we've 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.440 been waiting on, and it's very exciting. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:49.919 Mike's on the line, Mike, Hey, did you get any snow? 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:52.119 Oh yeah, we got a bunch of snow and it's 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.040 like ten degrees out. 0:02:53.200 --> 0:02:57.040 I saw the pictures, you said, absolutely gorgeous. Last time 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.800 we talked, you had sent us the FBI form, right, yep, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.600 So get this. I called because I wanted to tell 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.680 her about the form, right, and that what you had 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:11.119 found you had, called Detective Fritz, and she her mom 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.280 was there, and so her mom put me on speakerphone 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.760 and we just kind of chatted, right she said, we 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:22.240 will definitely get Chikaia's dad to sign this form. So 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.000 I got I was out last night. I was out 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.680 for dinner and I got a ping on my phone 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:30.520 and it was an email from Shawnee and she got 0:03:31.400 --> 0:03:34.600 I got the form signed. Nice, and so I have it. 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.119 I'm gonna send it to you tonight, okay, and then 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:40.400 we'll go from there. I thought you would be more. 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.480 Excited, No, I am. I was just going to ask, like, 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:43.720 how long is it going to take when you get 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.400 that farm's ligned? Because the sooner the better. So that's awesome. No, No, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.200 it's really cool, excellent. 0:03:49.520 --> 0:03:49.760 Nice. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.440 Yeah, And I'll call you know, sometime mid morning, give 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:55.960 them time to get in the office. I'll call him 0:03:55.960 --> 0:03:58.800 and let him know that we got it, yeah, and 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:02.040 then I'll email it to him. I'll email, but once 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:03.640 I get it, yeah, I'll get it. I'll send it 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:06.080 right to him and then he'll get that submitted to 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.680 the FBI, he said right away. And we'll know right 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.560 away if any law enforcements, you know, found a body, 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:15.880 God forbid, maybe they don't get one that no hit is. 0:04:16.200 --> 0:04:19.560 That's info too, so you know no hit is good 0:04:19.600 --> 0:04:20.160 in FO two. 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:24.359 So Yeah, that's so true. No hit is good. Yeah. 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.720 So the following night we talked to Mike Talk again. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.280 So hey, Mike, the last time we talked, we had 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.360 gotten that form that needed to be signed and we 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:37.279 got it in your hands, right, yes, and then you 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:41.200 are going to contact Yellowstone County Sheriffs that we got 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.560 the form correct. 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:47.880 And I called the detectives and he was surprised, like, 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.200 oh wow, you get in and I was like, yeah, 0:04:49.360 --> 0:04:51.160 we got her. So today I'm gonna email it to 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.039 you right now, and he says great. He goes, I 0:04:53.160 --> 0:04:55.880 will send it next week with the DNA to the 0:04:55.960 --> 0:04:59.760 FBI and that'll be entered into their their database to 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:02.279 see if we get a hit, and if we don't 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.160 get a hit, it'll distain the database in case somebody 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.840 submits some DNA, you know that it would show that her. 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:11.599 This will be submitted to their database like kind of 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:14.280 like a fingerprint, submitting fingerprints to see if we get 0:05:14.279 --> 0:05:17.080 a hit. They'll submit it in case her body was found, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:21.120 that's say in Arizona with no identification Arizona would submit 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:25.400 DNA to the FBI trying to identify her. So by 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.520 us now by the Yelson County now submitting her DNA. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:32.240 It'll be on file. God forbid, it's found that way. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:33.920 But at least, you know. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.880 We've got the needle moving in a direction that wasn't 0:05:36.920 --> 0:05:38.039 there before we started. 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:39.960 So we've got that accomplishment. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:42.640 The most important thing is that the FBI gets a DNA, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.320 and we were able to facilitate that. So that's the 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.520 most important thing, and I'm happy about that. After talking 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:52.760 to Mike Talk, we reconnected with Michael Streied from SketchCop 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:53.640 dot com. 0:05:53.800 --> 0:05:56.800 SketchCop was working on an age progression of Choicaia so 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:00.000 we could make an updated missing person poster for her family. 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:04.800 I Danna sketch Cop, our favorite cop. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.200 Thank you, thank you. 0:06:07.279 --> 0:06:07.720 How are you? 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:11.040 I'm doing fine. How are you guys doing so? 0:06:11.520 --> 0:06:14.960 Mike, the last time Deanna spoke with you on the phone, 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:17.960 provided you with some pictures and kind of gave you 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.800 a general idea what maybe she looked like. So what 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:22.279 have you been up to in that time? 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:26.120 Just working on the photograph itself, amongst other crimes and 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:29.080 other and sundry things I've been dealing with and working on. 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:31.839 So that's why it's and I you know, and I 0:06:31.880 --> 0:06:33.279 really took a lot of time to look at it, 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.000 because every time I do these, I try to get 0:06:36.040 --> 0:06:38.919 myself into the mindset of, you know, this is a 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:42.400 just a just a very pretty young lady, and some 0:06:42.480 --> 0:06:45.080 of the stuff that you're describing to me that you know, 0:06:45.120 --> 0:06:47.880 the lifestyle is she might be engaging in now you know, 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:50.119 some of the dangerous stuff that she was doing before 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.240 she disappeared. And then then of course you know, we're 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.239 we're thinking the worst of course, because she hasn't turned 0:06:57.320 --> 0:07:01.120 up voluntarily or otherwise, you know, danger her lifestyle, drugs, 0:07:01.120 --> 0:07:03.839 possibly human trafficking. It's going to take a toll on 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:08.520 someone like her. So I just wanted to be very 0:07:08.560 --> 0:07:11.520 careful to ride that fine line of trying to keep 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.520 her look while at the same time show the ravages 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.200 of that sort of lifestyle. So it was there was 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:21.080 still that sweetness in there. You can still tell just 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:23.560 a proud young woman, but at the same time it 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:27.320 reflects that just the wear and tear of what happens 0:07:27.360 --> 0:07:31.120 with folks that are out there. I'm gonna push saying 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:32.920 that it's yikes, no way here we come. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:38.120 I've got it. Oh wow, she looks like her mom. Wow, 0:07:38.240 --> 0:07:42.280 that looks like Tamera. She's still beautiful, and you still captured, 0:07:42.320 --> 0:07:43.880 like you said, that sweetness, right. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:46.520 Yeah, I tried to keep that, and I elevated her 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:48.800 chin just to I turned her face a little bit, 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.960 and I elevated the chin so she didn't look so 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.840 beaten down, so to speak. And then then just a 0:07:54.920 --> 0:07:56.880 burder her gaze just a bit, just kind of get 0:07:56.880 --> 0:07:57.640 that wistful look. 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.280 Still very beautiful, but you can see just a little 0:08:02.320 --> 0:08:05.760 bit of age, you know, nothing crazy. She still looks 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:06.400 like Shakaia. 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:07.680 Wow. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:11.640 I got the chills, dude, all right, I'm gonna download 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.760 that one. I got the chills, like for real. 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:17.840 I like it because it captures that still looks innocent 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:20.440 kind of look that she had, you know, and but 0:08:20.800 --> 0:08:24.440 I think it captures her overall character. Her overall look 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:27.360 isn't there. So I'm ready to go to the second version. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.160 Is this going to be the short hair version? 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:29.480 Mike? 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:33.320 Yes, okay, Oh that looks different. Oh wow, you know, 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:35.160 I have to tell you, if she had short hair, 0:08:35.160 --> 0:08:37.280 I don't know that I would recognize her looking at 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:37.800 this photo. 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:40.920 That's the first thing that yeah, it's the first thing 0:08:40.960 --> 0:08:41.920 that came across. 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:44.200 My mind, right, and I've looked at all of her 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.280 pictures like one hundred times, and if I saw her 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.400 this woman walking down the street, I don't know that 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.000 I would look twice. Wow, that makes such a big difference. 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.120 Holy well, I mean, I'm I'm very impressed with your work. 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.719 First of all, Like obviously you're very talented. I mean 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:05.040 this is like forensic artistry, right, like this is this 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:09.920 is very talented. But I'm stunned at how different V 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.560 two looks like she would be what she would be 0:09:12.640 --> 0:09:18.040 twenty four now, living possibly a hard life, and I 0:09:18.080 --> 0:09:23.080 think this really captures that while still keeping her sweetness. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.920 I think this is so well done. I was really 0:09:26.920 --> 0:09:29.680 nervous because I didn't want to upset her family while 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:32.760 still respecting the concept that we, you know, we want 0:09:32.800 --> 0:09:35.600 her to be recognized, right, That's that's the fine balance, 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.160 like you were saying. And I think that they're going 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.079 to see that sweetness in her still and I appreciate 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:46.600 that for them. So now let's give Shakai's mom Tamora. 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:50.199 I'll call these new updated photos from SketchCop and getting 0:09:50.240 --> 0:09:53.760 Shakaia's DNA into the FBI database are huge steps in 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.280 the right direction, and they may help solve this missing 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:57.040 person case. 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:04.600 We gave Detective Fritz Dwight's DNA release, thank you guys 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:06.760 for doing that, so he's gonna send it off to 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.360 the FBI. So she turns up like in a hospital 0:10:10.160 --> 0:10:12.960 or somewhat even jail even and doesn't know who she is, 0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:15.480 you know, because that could happen. You know, that could happen. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:18.000 They'll be able to identify her anywhere in the country. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:20.520 So that's a big deal. We're really happy about that. 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:23.480 Yes, I'm I'm excited because it's been about a year 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:24.640 since you've been trying to get that. 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:25.600 Going for her DNA. 0:10:25.800 --> 0:10:28.760 Yeah, yeah, so that's a really good thing. 0:10:29.600 --> 0:10:31.960 Do I really appreciate you and I have hope, Like 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:34.800 I've always wanted to know somebody who was out there 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:35.480 helping me, you know. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.160 And it's a blessing to know that you guys are 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:38.480 out there. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:42.520 And I really appreciate you, guys, I do, Camra. 0:10:42.320 --> 0:10:42.640 Thank you. 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.640 That means a lot. That means more to me than 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.440 you know. Yes, I know, it really does, And I 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.920 really I am holding out hope that I'll be able 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.200 to meet her, do you know what I mean? I 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.120 don't care who I don't care who finds her. I 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:00.840 just want her to get found. Don't care if it's me. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:02.960 I just want to give her a hug and. 0:11:03.440 --> 0:11:04.440 With her birthday. 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:05.280 Oh baby. 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.280 But I'm so thankful for you guys, and I appreciate it. 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.960 God bless you guys. 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.679 So, like this is everything that we would need to 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.640 create like a missing person's poster. 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:17.280 And I have like a like a lot. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:21.160 I have like some calculations running, like today's date versus 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:23.079 the date she went missing, how long she's. 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:24.880 Been missing, how old she is now? 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.920 You know it's all calculated, right, so you're not going 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.640 to mess with the forms and stuff. So she's been 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:33.640 missing for fifty four months, you know that whole thing, 0:11:34.040 --> 0:11:37.480 and then all like her social media when she was 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:38.480 reported missing. 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.120 So let's do let's go get some older photos of her. 0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:46.560 Let's go look, let's go here, and I go to 0:11:46.640 --> 0:11:50.679 y'all and I go to her social media and we'll 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.359 just pick a couple of different pictures of her uploads, 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:59.800 upload files, may. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.000 Short hair. 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:02.440 You know what we could do. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:04.040 And I was going to ask you about this. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:08.679 So there's a website like link tree, let's say, and 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.680 there are permanent links on a permanent website that have 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:16.199 like different things like our ocent page right, permanent link 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:19.280 you get it. What if we made one of these 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:24.720 from Shikaya and put links for Shakaya that people can 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:29.520 scan with their que like for instance, yes, right, let's 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:32.000 say you know one that we create that we can 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:35.880 constantly add an update. Right, So there's a QR code 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:37.719 people can scan it. It takes them to a link 0:12:37.760 --> 0:12:40.920 tree that we can give anybody access to. Shawne, I 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.319 don't care, you know what I mean, Like, we'll turn 0:12:42.360 --> 0:12:45.400 it over. It doesn't matter. That can constantly be updated 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.480 with new links like the phone number for Yellowstone PD. 0:12:50.400 --> 0:12:52.040 You know, I like it, I get it. 0:12:52.120 --> 0:12:53.120 Let's do it, Okay. 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:54.440 So that's what it looks like right now? 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.440 Perfect, all right, sweetheart, I think we're good. I'll upload 0:12:57.760 --> 0:13:02.160 and I'll finish the rest tomorrow and this weekend, and 0:13:02.200 --> 0:13:04.240 then maybe we can schedule a call with the family 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.640 they took over all of this next week. 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:15.280 Sounds good to me. But just because we finished with 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:18.079 the poster doesn't mean we were done with Shakaia's case. 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.800 So if you remember, we spoke with Darla and as 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:25.000 a reminder, Darla's daughter was assaulted by Rico, and that's 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:29.199 why he's currently in Yellowstone County Jail. He's facing charges 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:32.760 for that assault. He has not been convicted. Well, Darla 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.640 has become like a grassroots activists locally in Billings and 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:38.240 she really wants to help fight Shakaya. 0:13:38.800 --> 0:13:42.800 Darla made some unbelievable discoveries about Rico and the people 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.640 likely behind Shakaia's disappearance, so. 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:47.160 We connect with her once again. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.520 I went to the crisis center here in town. 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.200 There's crisis centers, and one of the security guards that 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:56.720 works there, it said that he knows exactly who Rico is. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.880 One of the ladies knew who Rico was to and 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.200 Rico would just hang out. He did the same thing 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.640 at Tumbleweed until he was kicked out. Yes, he would 0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:06.080 go and wait outside of these types of. 0:14:06.000 --> 0:14:07.559 Places to look for girls. 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:09.640 Security guards said that the girl that had been there, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.680 and he wouldn't identify to me who she was, but 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:13.760 he said Rico taken off with the girl. They went 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.199 to Great Falls and the girl never came back, but 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:16.839 Rico did. 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:18.840 Oh, he said Great Falls specifically. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:22.920 Yes, And I've heard from other people that Rico or 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:27.840 this particular circuit runs women from here to Great Falls, 0:14:27.880 --> 0:14:30.680 down to Phoenix into San Diego and then across the 0:14:30.720 --> 0:14:32.600 border if they live that long. 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:35.960 Oh shit, so we have a sighting of Chakaya in 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.560 Great Falls. I mean, if what we suspect is true, 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:42.920 then he's a very small piece in the much bigger puzzle, right, Yes, And. 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:46.240 I've heard that there's people above Rico. He's not top dog. 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.280 He didn't live in a really fancy apartment or drive 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:50.560 a nice car. I think most of what he did 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:51.440 was low level. 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:53.840 So anyway, as time goes on, I start going out 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.880 into the public and asking people about Rico. Lots of 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.000 people know who Rico is. No one wants to talk 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.720 about Rico. One we'll talk about Rico. Law enforcement told 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.920 me to be very very careful because he or his 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:08.200 people could come after me or my kids. You know, 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:09.840 I think that's white targeted my daughter. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.200 He didn't. He thought she was like every other runaway. 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:15.200 I thought she was vulnerable, right, and her parents wouldn't care, 0:15:15.280 --> 0:15:17.080 you know, they wouldn't look and they wouldn't do anything. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:18.880 And I'm not that person. What do you mess with 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:22.280 the wrong mom? Cammy's no different from me, like she's 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:24.360 her culture is a little different you know, but I 0:15:24.640 --> 0:15:27.240 want to understand it. There are people like me. There's 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:29.880 groups of people like me who do care, who do 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.280 want to see this change, not just for their culture, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:38.600 but everybody, all women to be treated equally, all of us, 0:15:39.040 --> 0:15:42.480 every no matter what. The thing that really pissed me off, though, 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:44.920 was the difference between how they treated and a white 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.240 girl and how they treated Shakaia. I don't get paid 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:51.160 for this, but yet I spend so many hours of 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:54.040 my day, like I just hyper focused on I'm going 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.360 to find everything I can about Rico. As soon as 0:15:57.400 --> 0:15:59.360 I realized that, like I mean, I was gonna fight 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.320 for my daughter, but I was going to fight even 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.720 harder when I found out that, you know, there's a 0:16:03.760 --> 0:16:06.680 mother whose daughter was last seen with the same man that. 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:09.400 Hurt my baby. I almost feel like Shikaia is my 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.800 child too in a way, you know, like I'm fighting 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:12.440 for her. 0:16:12.760 --> 0:16:15.360 I want Tammy to be there, to be able to 0:16:15.400 --> 0:16:18.840 see that some sort of justice has been done. It 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:20.880 may not have been for Shakaia, wish it was. I 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.720 would do anything for it to be for Shakaya. I 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:26.120 wish that every day, but at least I can do this. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:28.440 I was loud about it. I'm not going to shut up. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:36.680 Hi, Shawnee, Hello, how are you darling? 0:16:37.320 --> 0:16:37.560 Good? 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:38.880 How about you? Guys? All right? 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.920 Doing pretty good? Trying to get everything kind of tied 0:16:43.040 --> 0:16:46.160 up to get this out there to the public. So 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:49.560 we wanted to get some new posters made for social 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:55.120 media Instagram, tiktoks, you know that kind of stuff, Twitter, Facebook, 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:58.440 and then also printable if we wanted to hang poster 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:01.480 her somewhere. And so we had that done and I 0:17:01.520 --> 0:17:05.760 spent all weekend creating four new posters. So I said, 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:07.920 I emailed them to you. I don't know if you 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:09.320 can open them up while we're on the phone. 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.040 Yeah, I can. Okay, there it is okay. 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:17.040 Wow, she looks like your mom. Doesn't she look like 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:17.440 your mom? 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:18.840 Yeah? 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.120 And I saw it. I was like, ash, she looks 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.920 like Tammy. So Shawnee, just so you know, we talked 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.080 to Darla. Do you know who Darla is? Darla Oh, 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:30.040 Darla May Watkins. Yeah, we talked to her last week 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:32.920 and she gave us a bunch of information on on 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:36.080 Rico and like, you know, what happened to her daughter 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:39.119 and how that all worked out, and how there was 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.560 like a middleman which we think is in your in 0:17:41.640 --> 0:17:44.199 Chicaya's case, we think is Romelo Big Day, And it 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:47.120 was like the same kind of situation, right, and then 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:49.280 she gave us a bunch of names to look into, 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.159 so we're looking at those. So while they're doing the 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:55.560 production for the podcast and all that, that's fine, John 0:17:55.600 --> 0:17:57.800 and I are still going to be looking for Chicaya, 0:17:57.920 --> 0:17:59.760 just so you know, we're not giving up just because 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.919 the podcast is done and you have you have my 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.639 contact info in my email if you ever, you know, 0:18:05.720 --> 0:18:08.639 want to reach out with any new information or whatever. 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:12.080 But we're still looking at like YouTube videos of people 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:15.720 that there's like a couple of content creators that interview 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.080 like street kids kind of thing in different cities, and 0:18:18.119 --> 0:18:20.200 we're watching through those to see if she pops up, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.639 you know, because we don't know, we don't know what 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:26.400 our situation is. We don't know if she's maybe homeless 0:18:26.480 --> 0:18:29.520 or if she's you know, living some in like a 0:18:29.520 --> 0:18:31.800 an apartment with you know, six other girls. We have 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.600 no idea, so we're we're we're watching for her on 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.840 social media, We're watching for her on you know, all 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.240 those YouTube channels and stuff. And then we're also looking 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:42.000 into a bunch of names that your mom gave us, 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:44.760 which we found a couple of connections, and then with 0:18:44.880 --> 0:18:49.240 Darla too, so we're still well, we're still on the hunt. Basically, 0:18:49.240 --> 0:18:51.160 I just wanted to let you know, you know, kind 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:52.720 of what we've been up to and that we haven't 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:54.360 given up. Even though we haven't talked in a while, 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:55.080 we haven't given up. 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:55.920 Yeah. 0:18:56.080 --> 0:18:59.399 Is there is there anything new that we need to 0:18:59.520 --> 0:19:03.680 know about or anything you can share with us, Sonny, but. 0:19:05.560 --> 0:19:08.639 Case, yeah, Rico's case. We talked to Darla about that. 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.600 I guess it got moved, yeah, and she told us yeah, 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:12.840 it got yeah. 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:15.800 So it keeps getting pushed back, and then they're a 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:17.840 thing that he might get a sea deal. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.160 I mean, he might not know where Shakaia is at 0:19:20.240 --> 0:19:22.480 this moment, but I think he knows where she went 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:23.920 because I think he took her there. 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:26.800 Yeah, who do I There's not a doubt in my mind. 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:29.080 So I'm just having a hard time with it all 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.800 because they offered him the pay deal and there's possibly 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:36.679 reducing his bun and but there's not a down in 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.399 my mind, Deanna that he knows where she wins. 0:19:39.600 --> 0:19:42.040 I agree, Tammy, Yep, not a down in my mind 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:44.240 that they all know, not a doubt. We still have 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:46.439 so much to do. That's why we're not giving up. 0:19:46.440 --> 0:19:48.520 We're not Just because we're not recording the podcast doesn't 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.400 mean we're going to give up. And you guys can 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:54.000 of course email me whatever anything you have at any time. 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:56.160 Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you. 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:57.920 I appreciate you guys so so much. 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.280 Let's stop here for a break. We'll be back in 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:02.720 a moment. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.879 So as we keep digging into Charicaia's disappearance, yet another 0:20:17.960 --> 0:20:25.600 bombshell in Jared's case drops. So Henry Tennen, we know, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:30.400 was arrested, right, and he was arrested for the murder 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:33.480 of Jared Bardian. Then there was a press conference and 0:20:33.560 --> 0:20:36.280 they said we're not going to be releasing the affidavit 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:39.720 for thirty days, and we all assumed that it was 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:42.640 because they didn't want to play their hand publicly. Right 0:20:42.920 --> 0:20:45.480 because as soon as the arrest the probable cause of 0:20:45.720 --> 0:20:48.720 David is released, we can read it and know how 0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:53.920 they linked Jared's murder to Henry. Right, and we learned 0:20:54.440 --> 0:20:58.600 that Henry rented a house from Mario right. 0:20:59.000 --> 0:20:59.400 Correct. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.480 Mario had a business where he owned rental properties and 0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:07.760 at one of them. Henry Tennan just happened to be 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:08.240 one of his. 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:13.919 Tenants, right, And then on February thirteenth, Henry Tennan pled 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:17.879 not guilty to all four counts, so we were like, okay, 0:21:17.880 --> 0:21:23.400 well that's interesting. On March sixteenth, Henry changes his plea 0:21:23.480 --> 0:21:26.320 to guilty. So at that moment, you know he's cooperating. 0:21:26.800 --> 0:21:31.359 You know he's cooperating, right if he pleads guilty, they're 0:21:31.359 --> 0:21:35.280 offering him a deal for information. The same day, Mario 0:21:35.480 --> 0:21:38.280 Enrique Fernandez Seldana is arrested. 0:21:38.960 --> 0:21:42.119 Mario Fernandez Seldana is charged in the twenty twenty two 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.600 shooting death of Bride Again. The suspect is married to 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.560 Bridigan's ex wife, Shauna Gardner Fernandez. 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:52.320 So Mario has been arrested for the murder of Jared Bridigan, 0:21:52.640 --> 0:21:55.960 Shana's husband, and Shana is the ex wife of Jared. 0:21:56.160 --> 0:21:58.119 So Shana and Mario are the two that we've kind 0:21:58.160 --> 0:21:59.399 of been looking at this whole time. 0:21:59.800 --> 0:22:02.960 And I think it should also be highlighted that what 0:22:03.000 --> 0:22:08.080 we've heard is Shana and Mario had separated. In January 0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.600 of this year. She relocated with the kids all across 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:15.520 the country to Washington, Mario stayed behind in Florida and 0:22:15.680 --> 0:22:18.639 was living with his brother for a while. The house 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:23.200 that they were living at was listed for sale, was unlisted, 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:27.600 but recently was listed again. So it appears Shana was 0:22:27.640 --> 0:22:31.200 trying to distance herself from Mario and by distance, moved 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.679 all the way to the other side of the United States. 0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:36.679 I wonder if that was by design, though, Like I know, 0:22:37.320 --> 0:22:40.400 I know that people say that the separation was sort 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:43.680 of planned prior to the murder of Jerry Broad Again, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:48.480 but it just seems awfully convenient, right, correct? Was a 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.680 separation for appearances? Like, look, I'm not even with him. 0:22:52.160 --> 0:22:54.200 If you're going to arrest him, that's got nothing to do. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:55.840 With me, right, that's all on him. 0:22:56.400 --> 0:22:59.760 I don't know, So I guess the question is was 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:02.560 more Mario's lawyer appointed to him by the courts or 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:03.720 did he hire a lawyer? 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:07.600 No? I looked him up. So Mario's attorney and he's 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.520 like a really respected, like criminal trial attorney in Jacksonville Beach. 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.159 So in my mind that costs some money. 0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.560 Do you think because it's a high profile case, he 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:18.439 took it pro bono? 0:23:19.119 --> 0:23:19.320 No? 0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:21.879 I do not, So who do you think is paying 0:23:21.920 --> 0:23:22.880 the attorney bill. 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.800 I'm wondering if there's some sort of Chad Day bill 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.800 in Idaho is paying for his attorney through like the 0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:32.040 sale of his properties and they're doing like a lean 0:23:32.440 --> 0:23:35.480 kind of situation. I wonder if the properties that Mario owns, 0:23:35.560 --> 0:23:37.959 if there's some sort of negotiation. 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:39.119 There put him up as collateral. 0:23:39.520 --> 0:23:44.640 Yeah, or either that or they're still married like happily 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.280 and you know the gardeners are taking care of it. 0:23:47.520 --> 0:23:50.640 I doubt that. But and the lawyer that Mario has 0:23:50.640 --> 0:23:54.200 for his criminal defense, his name is not Henry Zox. 0:23:54.320 --> 0:23:55.719 It's Jason Nolan Dracer. 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:57.800 Jason, Yeah, it's Jesse Nolan Dracer. 0:23:57.920 --> 0:23:58.520 Oh, Jesse. 0:23:58.880 --> 0:24:01.560 So he's already filed like a motion for discovery, Like 0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:03.760 he is like on it right now, like he's going, 0:24:03.840 --> 0:24:05.560 He's like, I want to know what you've got. So 0:24:05.600 --> 0:24:08.480 he filed the motion of discovery, he filed emotion for 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:12.120 a bill of particulars, and filed his notice of appearance 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:14.640 with the court already and he did that today, correct. 0:24:15.000 --> 0:24:18.399 So that's what's going on. But there's also other news 0:24:18.600 --> 0:24:19.680 that Shana front right. 0:24:20.119 --> 0:24:20.600 Yeah. 0:24:20.640 --> 0:24:23.680 On Reddit, there's like a lot of discussion about the children. 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:27.359 There's a lot of discussion about the theory that Shana 0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:31.920 has given custody of her children, which are also Jared's children, 0:24:32.200 --> 0:24:36.320 to her parents, the Gardener's, and there's like a supposed 0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:40.080 family friend or somebody who's close with the family who 0:24:40.080 --> 0:24:43.280 has been spilling sort of these anonymous secrets. I don't 0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.520 know how credible they are. I have no idea who 0:24:45.520 --> 0:24:47.600 they are. I haven't even tried to look into it, 0:24:47.680 --> 0:24:51.000 but they are saying that Shana has given custody of 0:24:51.040 --> 0:24:53.959 the kids, and you know, family court is all sealed, 0:24:53.960 --> 0:24:55.800 you're not going to be able to get anything, so 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.879 we can't like look this up to verify it. But 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:02.240 apparently the grandparents have custody of the twins. I would 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:06.560 imagine that that would be an issue, especially with the 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:10.480 young boy having the health issues and being in Utah. 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:13.520 So I don't know if if it's true. Did you 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:17.720 know Shelley Gardner go to Washington to take care of them? 0:25:17.720 --> 0:25:21.280 I don't know, but the talk on Reddit that's been 0:25:21.320 --> 0:25:24.680 discussing this quite a bit has been that Shelley is 0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:28.400 in Washington and then their company is getting like blasted 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:29.320 all over social media. 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:32.959 And that's the one thing we do know the family 0:25:33.000 --> 0:25:36.720 owned company, released an email to their employees and staff 0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:40.360 talking about kind of saying we know nothing about this. 0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.720 You know. And it's interesting how that the letter is worded. 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:44.280 Right. 0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:46.960 They didn't say he was arrested for the murder of 0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.240 Shane's ex husband. They worded it like he was involved 0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.280 in like some white collar crime. So I'm going to 0:25:53.320 --> 0:25:56.119 read it real quick, Okay. Stamping Up is aware that 0:25:56.160 --> 0:25:59.960 Mario Fernandez, Shana Gardner's current husband, has been a rest 0:26:00.280 --> 0:26:05.800 in conjunction with an ongoing investigation. Shana, Shelley and Sterling's daughter, 0:26:06.080 --> 0:26:09.160 and Mario have been separated for an extended period of time. 0:26:09.480 --> 0:26:11.920 We have no further details about the situation other than 0:26:11.920 --> 0:26:14.800 what has been reported by the media. We understand that 0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:18.240 some demonstrators now they call their employees demonstrators. It's important 0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.400 to know that it's not like picketers, like people aren't protesting. 0:26:22.119 --> 0:26:25.760 We understand that some demonstrators have received troubling comments about 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:29.240 this matter on their social media platforms. Please feel free 0:26:29.240 --> 0:26:32.760 to delete those comments of an inappropriate nature and block 0:26:32.840 --> 0:26:36.120 slash report those commenters on your personal accounts. You may 0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:39.080 also share this email with your teams if needed. Stamping 0:26:39.200 --> 0:26:41.159 Up's long standing commitment to you and all of our 0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:46.000 demonstrators is unwavering. Thank you for concern and continue to support, Sincerely, 0:26:46.119 --> 0:26:49.960 stamping Up. So, they neglected to mention that he was 0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:53.440 arrested for the murder of Shane's ex husband. They just said, oh, 0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:56.679 he's been arrested. It's just an ongoing and investor. You know, 0:26:56.800 --> 0:26:58.879 it's probably some white collar card. I mean, that's what 0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:02.560 it sounds like, like he was doing something fraudulent banking 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:07.000 or something. They make sure to mention specifically, Shana and 0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.680 Mario have been separated for an extended period of time. 0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:12.480 What they failed to mention is that they were very 0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:16.280 much together when Jared was murdered. And so that letter 0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:20.960 spurned off the Jared Bright Again or the Justice for 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.679 Jared by Instagram account man oh Man. I was like 0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:27.480 cheering it on the other night. It was just going 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:33.600 wild with amazing memes and you know and thinking, now, listen, 0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:36.080 I'm not here to judge how anybody grieves, you know 0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.480 what I mean, Like when my mom died, I I 0:27:39.880 --> 0:27:42.040 cracked jokes, you know what I mean, Like, you can't 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:44.480 sit there and judge how anybody grieves or how somebody 0:27:44.520 --> 0:27:48.440 celebrates like justice and the Justice for Jared by Instagram 0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:51.920 account was on fire that night. I mean, they were 0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.560 just making the greatest memes and also like really neat 0:27:55.680 --> 0:27:59.560 stories about how Kirsten and Jared met and like, you know, 0:28:00.320 --> 0:28:04.399 Jared just wasn't murdered. Their entire family was murdered, you 0:28:04.440 --> 0:28:08.840 know what I mean, like he was there, the entire center. Anyway, 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.600 it was it was fantastic to see that on social media. 0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:14.879 But anyway, Yeah, there was a big uproar was stamping 0:28:14.960 --> 0:28:16.840 up and I listen, I don't think they're gonna go 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:19.320 out of busess or anything like that. But it is 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.760 interesting that in the state of Utah there's only been 0:28:22.840 --> 0:28:24.800 one news article written about this, and it was only 0:28:24.840 --> 0:28:27.639 a couple of days ago. The power that these people 0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.880 have in the state of Utah is quite scary. It's 0:28:30.960 --> 0:28:33.920 quite scary. And Shelley just got elected to some big 0:28:33.960 --> 0:28:36.960 hoody hoity toity thing in the church, so that makes 0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:41.840 it even more frightening. So that's the update that I have, 0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:43.840 which was a lot, I think. 0:28:44.200 --> 0:28:49.000 So imagine your Jared's two kids. One of them is 0:28:49.040 --> 0:28:51.400 in the car that he had with Kirston, but the 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.440 two kids he had with Shana. They're finding out that 0:28:54.680 --> 0:28:59.320 the man their mother married after she left Jared is 0:28:59.360 --> 0:29:03.880 now responsible for the death of their father. That's gotta 0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.480 be a difficult conversation you have with those kids. 0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:11.000 There really is no press about this in Utah, like none. 0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.880 It's been a big controversy. So I don't know what 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:16.720 they're being told. They might not even know. I hope 0:29:16.760 --> 0:29:19.880 they don't know. I mean, I really do. We don't 0:29:19.920 --> 0:29:22.200 know what they're being told. But if they are being 0:29:22.240 --> 0:29:25.120 told what's going on, I can't imagine what they're going through. 0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:28.640 I honestly can't imagine. And you know, with the Markel 0:29:28.760 --> 0:29:32.440 Act in Florida being passed, it would be very interesting 0:29:32.440 --> 0:29:34.720 to know what's going to end up happening if Shana 0:29:35.280 --> 0:29:35.840 is charged. 0:29:36.360 --> 0:29:39.080 So we touched on this in one of our previous 0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:43.200 conversations with Kirsten about is Jared's parents still alive and 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:45.360 do they have access to the kids, And right now 0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:50.000 they don't. But if Shana was somehow implicated in all 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:53.560 this and proven that she had some was guilty of 0:29:53.680 --> 0:29:56.200 what happened to Jared, then the Mercle Act could go 0:29:56.240 --> 0:29:59.280 into effect and then Jared's parents would be able to, then, 0:29:59.640 --> 0:30:02.120 I think, go to court and ask for access to 0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.560 their grandchere children and be able to see them again. 0:30:04.800 --> 0:30:07.760 Not only that they could access for custody, they could 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:09.760 ask for custody and get it. 0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.960 So do you think the Gardeners are going to try 0:30:12.960 --> 0:30:15.479 and fight that in court considering what we know happened 0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:16.800 to the child custody? 0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:20.200 Yeah, I don't know. I don't know that's gonna work. 0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:22.840 I don't know. You know, I see a lot of 0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.360 people saying what a wonderful woman Shelley is and that 0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:29.480 she really does have a lot of a big heart, 0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:33.040 but that she's blind when it comes to Shana. So 0:30:33.160 --> 0:30:35.680 maybe in her defense, you know, I just got to 0:30:35.680 --> 0:30:38.760 play devil's advocate. She doesn't know. She does believe Shane 0:30:38.800 --> 0:30:40.240 is an ascent and doesn't have anything to do with this, 0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:43.520 and Shane is a victim too, and so anyway, that's 0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:46.480 the update, and it's a big update. 0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.520 The good thing is is that arrest are being made. Obviously, 0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.800 the case is moving forward, and it looks like there 0:30:53.840 --> 0:30:57.080 will finally be some gusted for Jared and his family 0:30:57.120 --> 0:31:00.000 members and his kids. That's that I mean. We were 0:31:00.120 --> 0:31:02.440 talking about how this has been going on for almost 0:31:02.440 --> 0:31:04.760 a year and then almost to the date to announce 0:31:04.800 --> 0:31:06.120 the arrest of Henry Tanyans. 0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:09.080 But I think it's I think it's telling because sometimes 0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:12.560 you can tell things by what the court doesn't do, right, 0:31:12.680 --> 0:31:16.360 Like they haven't released the probable cause euvidata yet. Why 0:31:16.400 --> 0:31:21.520 would that be because they're still instigation. They're still looking 0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:25.880 at Shana one hundred percent, like I guarantee they are 0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:29.840 still they need to talk to Mario right and see 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.800 what he decides to turn over right correct, see what 0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.880 he starts to say. And it took a month. It 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:39.600 took a month for Henry Tennant to do it, you know, 0:31:39.640 --> 0:31:41.720 to say, Okay, fine, I'll plead guilty and I'll give 0:31:41.720 --> 0:31:43.920 you all this information. So it's it's going to be 0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:46.000 interesting to see now. You know. There's a lot of 0:31:46.160 --> 0:31:49.360 there's a lot of talk about can't testify against your what? Yes, 0:31:49.400 --> 0:31:52.160 you can, it's an option. Okay, let's get that. Let's 0:31:52.160 --> 0:31:55.160 make that clear. It's an option. You don't have to, 0:31:55.520 --> 0:31:58.000 but you absolutely can. You know what I mean. People 0:31:58.000 --> 0:31:59.960 are like, no, it's his wife, he can't test Yes 0:32:00.120 --> 0:32:01.800 he can, Yes, he fucking can. 0:32:02.240 --> 0:32:02.920 Big update. 0:32:03.120 --> 0:32:05.640 I just think it's interesting sometimes, look at what's been redacted? 0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:07.000 Right, yeah? 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.600 Why did they redact this? And why did they redact? 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.520 You can you know what it says? Why did they? 0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:13.760 So sometimes you can read between the lines, and with 0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:17.200 them not releasing the PCA or the probable cause abbidavit, 0:32:17.600 --> 0:32:20.520 we know they're still building the case against somebody else. 0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.640 So I think we are both surprised and not surprised 0:32:26.640 --> 0:32:28.000 that Mario's been arrested, right. 0:32:28.200 --> 0:32:31.040 Yeah, I think we all saw the connection, and we've 0:32:31.040 --> 0:32:34.840 always suspected Henry Tennon probably didn't act alone, and given 0:32:34.920 --> 0:32:38.520 Mario now that we know he was Henry's landlord, there's 0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:39.960 the clear connection right there. 0:32:40.280 --> 0:32:43.480 But there's another question, right, does this in any way 0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.040 connect to Shana? And you know Kirsten has always suspected 0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.400 Mario's involvement, so what is she thinking? 0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.240 I think we should talk with her. 0:32:51.560 --> 0:32:52.840 I think we have to talk to her. 0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.720 Hey, Kirsten, I guess this is that moment to kind 0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.480 of hear how you're feel and what you're thinking. And 0:33:01.560 --> 0:33:03.400 I'm sure it's a lot you've been going through, So 0:33:04.120 --> 0:33:06.400 if you don't mind, can you kind of share how 0:33:06.400 --> 0:33:08.640 things have been going with you and what you think 0:33:08.680 --> 0:33:10.640 about the arrest? Of Mario and what you think will 0:33:10.640 --> 0:33:11.600 happen next. 0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:15.960 Yeah, Honestly, when Henry Tennen was arrested and I was 0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.560 able to see his photo, it was such a weird, 0:33:19.240 --> 0:33:22.360 weird thing to process because here you see this photo 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:26.160 of someone that you know, according to law enforcement, was 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:28.240 the one that ended your husband's life, and you've never 0:33:28.280 --> 0:33:30.160 seen him before in your life, and you know your 0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:33.880 husband had never seen him until the day he died. 0:33:34.200 --> 0:33:36.760 And what made it even more strange to me is 0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.960 that I didn't hate him. Like when I saw his photo, 0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:42.520 what I thought I would just be filled with like 0:33:42.640 --> 0:33:44.959 anger and hate, And yeah, there was a little bit 0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:48.760 of anger, but I also just like felt some pity almost. 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.440 I don't know if that's the right way to describe it, 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:53.680 but you know, looking at the photo that I was 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:57.000 provided of him and hearing a little bit about his background, 0:33:57.000 --> 0:33:59.560 I'm just like, what got him to a point in 0:33:59.560 --> 0:34:02.719 his life life where he would agree to end the 0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:05.680 life of someone he didn't know. And so I'm very 0:34:05.720 --> 0:34:10.200 grateful that despite all the wrong he has done to us, 0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:16.200 he decided to do something right and confess and agree 0:34:16.200 --> 0:34:19.600 to testify against co conspirators. And then that's how we 0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:25.080 got to Mario Mario's arrest. Mario's a different story. You know, 0:34:25.200 --> 0:34:28.719 my feelings for Mario. I have no pity for him. 0:34:28.840 --> 0:34:31.080 He knew exactly what he was doing. He knew who 0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:34.239 Jared was, He knew that Jared was a father, that 0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:38.400 he would be leaving children, multiple children, including two that 0:34:38.480 --> 0:34:44.319 lived with Mario and Shanna without Jared. That he would 0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:46.520 be leaving a six month old and a two year 0:34:46.520 --> 0:34:50.000 old without a father for their entire lives. So my 0:34:50.080 --> 0:34:53.440 feelings towards Henry and towards Mario were very different, despite 0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.600 them both being involved in Jared's murder. It was just 0:34:56.680 --> 0:34:58.520 kind of a took me by surprise. 0:34:58.960 --> 0:35:01.000 Well, I think that's there's a lot of grace on 0:35:01.040 --> 0:35:04.640 your part. I mean, you definitely walk the walk Kriston 0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:08.279 with your faith and when I find that very commendable. 0:35:08.320 --> 0:35:10.560 And I don't know that I would have shown the 0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:13.200 same amount of grace to Henry, but I definitely understand it. 0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:15.880 The fact that he is cooperating, you know, and is 0:35:15.920 --> 0:35:19.200 able to turn over hopefully you know, evidence that can 0:35:19.239 --> 0:35:22.560 help convict Mario in the murder of Jared, because you know, 0:35:22.760 --> 0:35:25.319 you're right, he did know that Jared was, you know, 0:35:25.400 --> 0:35:28.520 part of a very loving family, four beautiful children. He 0:35:28.560 --> 0:35:32.359 knew all that. So hopefully, hopefully anything that Henry can 0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:34.359 do to help that, I'm sure you're grateful for. 0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:36.480 If you don't mind, I'm going to go back a 0:35:36.520 --> 0:35:39.400 little bit. So the first opportunity we had to speak 0:35:39.440 --> 0:35:42.360 with you, you kind of walked us through the day of 0:35:42.400 --> 0:35:45.080 the incident and how you had gotten a phone call 0:35:45.120 --> 0:35:48.680 from the Jacksonville Police and you had this gut feeling 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:53.040 you knew what happened. Eleven months later, Jacksonville police arrest 0:35:53.120 --> 0:35:56.960 Henry Tenon State Attorney General chargism with the murder of Jared. 0:35:57.320 --> 0:36:00.880 A few months later, Mario gets arrested. Here we are, Now, 0:36:01.200 --> 0:36:02.520 what's your gut feeling telling you? 0:36:02.600 --> 0:36:02.799 Now? 0:36:04.200 --> 0:36:08.680 This one I'm struggling with. I felt pretty certain about 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.799 what Henry would do, which is why I addressed part 0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:15.480 of my remarks to him and his family Mario. I 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:21.040 don't have as clear feelings on Mario's in my experience. 0:36:21.360 --> 0:36:24.200 Mario's a very prideful person, and I don't know if 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:29.040 his pride will allow him to plea guilty or if 0:36:29.080 --> 0:36:31.880 he will want a trial and he will be convinced 0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:35.680 that he can make twelve jurors believe him. 0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.960 Need to convince twelve, he needs to convince one. 0:36:39.520 --> 0:36:42.120 Yeah, exactly, So that's even easier for him. You know, 0:36:42.160 --> 0:36:45.360 we have to convince twelve. He only convinced one. But 0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:49.400 at the same time, hypothetically, if someone that he was 0:36:49.440 --> 0:36:53.200 involved with was the real brains behind the operation and 0:36:53.640 --> 0:36:56.560 has left him out to dry, would his pride care 0:36:56.600 --> 0:37:00.040 more about bringing that person down than about continuing the 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:02.680 pain for me and my family. Right, I'm not sure. 0:37:02.800 --> 0:37:04.000 I don't know which way we'll go. 0:37:04.520 --> 0:37:06.440 I wondered when the state was saying they were going 0:37:06.520 --> 0:37:09.320 to do the death penalty. I thought, Okay, well, maybe 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.799 this will be the push for him to, you know, 0:37:11.880 --> 0:37:14.359 start talking, and maybe that's why you know, this is 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:16.320 this is happening in the way it's happening. I'm just 0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:19.640 surprised it hasn't happened yet. I honestly, I'm surprised. And 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:22.040 maybe it is and I don't know about it, and 0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.640 that's fine, But I am surprised that he because I 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:29.200 do believe, just in like reading about him and his 0:37:29.320 --> 0:37:32.239 narcissism and you know whatnot, that that he would try 0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.719 to save himself literally try to save himself and throw 0:37:35.760 --> 0:37:39.080 her under the bus with evidence, obviously, but it hasn't 0:37:39.080 --> 0:37:40.080 happened yet as far as I know. 0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.040 Yeah, and so when we're at the recent court hearing 0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:46.920 where they filed the death notice, he even walked in 0:37:47.560 --> 0:37:49.799 kind of seeming like he was cocky, like you can't 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:51.520 a little strut, and then he did this like half 0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.920 smile smirk at his newest attorney, And part of me 0:37:55.040 --> 0:37:57.960 just wonders, has it sunk in yet? Like do you 0:37:58.040 --> 0:38:01.480 realize that there's a high chance you will be put 0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:03.720 to death for what you've done? And are you willing 0:38:03.760 --> 0:38:08.120 to go that far to protect someone that you are 0:38:08.160 --> 0:38:11.680 no longer involved with. I wouldn't if I were in 0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:14.560 his shoes, Like, I don't know, but part of me 0:38:14.600 --> 0:38:16.160 wonders if it's even sunk in yet. 0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:22.600 Yeah. So, just so everybody's aware, Shanna took the twins 0:38:22.719 --> 0:38:26.719 and moved across country. Mario stayed behind in Florida, and 0:38:26.760 --> 0:38:31.040 it doesn't appear that they're still together. There was rumors 0:38:31.160 --> 0:38:35.719 that they may be divorcing. We don't know, but it 0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:40.040 seems very odd that she would leave him go across country. 0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:44.240 He stays there. Now he's arrested, he's been charger's first 0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.920 degree murder, so therefore the death penalty applies. So how 0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:49.880 far is he willing to go with this before he 0:38:49.960 --> 0:38:52.799 decides I better, in order to save myself and get 0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:56.120 a life sentence with maybe a possibility a prol twenty 0:38:56.120 --> 0:38:58.719 five thirty years, I need to start cooperating. 0:38:58.840 --> 0:38:58.880 That. 0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.280 That's basically where we're at right now. We're all waiting 0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.839 for to hear that Mario is now cooperating and he's 0:39:03.880 --> 0:39:07.799 turning over information that implicates a third person. So, I mean, 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:10.720 it's got to be very worrisome on your part. Why, 0:39:10.880 --> 0:39:12.959 like Deanna is saying, why hasn't he done it yet? 0:39:13.400 --> 0:39:15.680 Obviously we've been keeping up to date on what's been 0:39:15.680 --> 0:39:18.080 going on, even though we haven't really been talking and whatnot, 0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:20.040 but we've been keeping up to date. And of course 0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:22.160 I follow the Instagram and the tiktoks and all that. 0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:25.080 And I noticed that a big part of this was 0:39:25.120 --> 0:39:26.800 this new judge that got assigned. 0:39:27.480 --> 0:39:29.800 Right, Yes, we finally have a judge. 0:39:30.120 --> 0:39:33.680 Yeah, and she seems like a great judge. Through everything 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.200 that you've been through, do you have faith in the 0:39:36.320 --> 0:39:39.520 justice system working the way it should? And I know 0:39:39.560 --> 0:39:42.840 there's still possibly real quick. I know there's possibly still 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:46.840 an outlier, right that we don't know what's going to 0:39:46.880 --> 0:39:50.920 happen there. Yeah, but do do you feel with this judge? 0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:53.400 And I looked her up and I saw the post 0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:55.520 that you had made about her and how wonderful she 0:39:56.160 --> 0:40:00.120 seems to be. It's a good thing, but still, well, 0:40:00.160 --> 0:40:01.839 the justice system has to do what the justice system 0:40:01.880 --> 0:40:05.320 has to do. Do you have faith in that coming 0:40:05.320 --> 0:40:05.800 to fruition? 0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:09.080 Yeah, that's honestly something I kind of go back and 0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.080 forth on. On one hand, I feel like there is 0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:15.400 justice being done so far, and hopefully it's not just 0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:18.279 an arrest, it's a conviction and a sentencing whatever that 0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:21.560 may be, and that not only falls on the judge 0:40:21.600 --> 0:40:24.680 but ultimately a jury. So there's gonna be twelve strangers 0:40:24.680 --> 0:40:27.239 that I've never met, who never knew Jared, never knew more, 0:40:27.360 --> 0:40:30.719 who never knew Henry, and justice is going to be 0:40:30.760 --> 0:40:33.920 in their hands as well. And that's a little it 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.239 makes my stomach suring because you just don't know, you 0:40:36.239 --> 0:40:38.640 don't know what people are going to think about the evidence. 0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:40.520 Or right, how a jury's going to take it right. 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:44.240 Yeah, So that is a little bit scary for me. Honestly, 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.319 thinking about sitting through a trial, that part I don't 0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:51.319 think is justice, you know, like that just traumatizes the 0:40:51.440 --> 0:40:55.440 victim's family more, which is one reason I'm also grateful 0:40:55.480 --> 0:40:57.920 that Henry decided to please rather than put us through 0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:02.120 a trial. So that's one trial saved and hopefully, you know, 0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:06.799 who knows what other people will do, right, So I 0:41:06.800 --> 0:41:09.600 feel like justice is happening. But honestly, if it was 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:13.960 true justice, and this is where you know, obviously things 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.279 are set up in place to prevent any people from 0:41:16.320 --> 0:41:20.000 being punished, but if it was true justice, we wouldn't 0:41:20.040 --> 0:41:22.640 have to go through all of these hearings, all of 0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:26.600 these court dates of oh we're not gonna set a trial, now, 0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:28.759 we're gonna bump it another thirty days. Oh we're gonna 0:41:28.800 --> 0:41:31.200 bump it another forty days and draw it out. It 0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:35.200 just it doesn't allow that wound to fully close. Whereas 0:41:35.239 --> 0:41:36.920 you know, like back in the olden days. 0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:41.320 The guilty or just right, it happened very quickly, right. 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:43.680 Yeh, Which I get why we've put systems in place 0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.360 to protect people who are wrongfully arrested. But in this case, 0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:50.360 where everything in my being knows who did it, it 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.520 seems a little injust that we have to. 0:41:52.600 --> 0:41:56.759 Go through all the hoops, right right, I totally understand that. 0:41:57.200 --> 0:41:59.520 Yeah, mixed emotions on on that. 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:02.920 Well, let's see, you got the gunman who is willing 0:42:02.960 --> 0:42:06.560 to testify. You have the new or the ex husband 0:42:06.680 --> 0:42:08.879 or the husband the second husband who might be willing 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:11.080 to testify. I don't see that case going to trial. 0:42:11.400 --> 0:42:15.960 I think a truly narcissistic person who has unlimited funds 0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:17.400 would take trial. 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:20.879 I did too. In fact, I think that somebody that's 0:42:20.880 --> 0:42:24.920 truly narcissistic would believe that they really haven't done anything 0:42:24.960 --> 0:42:27.120 wrong and that they have the power to do that. 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.799 I mean, anybody who kills somebody is a little bit 0:42:29.840 --> 0:42:32.759 of a narcissist. Let's be honest. I mean, you're you're 0:42:32.800 --> 0:42:35.600 acting as God at that point. You have the power 0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.600 to take somebody's life. So, I mean, we can sit 0:42:38.640 --> 0:42:40.759 here and say there won't be a trial, but I 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:43.000 mean it happens all the time the narcissist, So I 0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:43.600 don't know. 0:42:44.360 --> 0:42:47.120 It's a dependent upon the state to prove a person guilty. 0:42:47.160 --> 0:42:50.000 So everybody has a legal right to have a fair trial. 0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:52.919 So yeah, you're probably more than likely one of these 0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:53.279 will go. 0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:57.359 Is everybody doing okay in the family, because Jared's family too, 0:42:57.400 --> 0:42:59.800 like his how is his brother and you know Adam, 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:01.960 And is everybody doing okay? 0:43:02.920 --> 0:43:05.759 I think we all have ups and downs. Like I 0:43:05.800 --> 0:43:08.840 talk to Adam the most. He and I are probably 0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.960 the most involved in Jared's case and keeping things updated. 0:43:12.000 --> 0:43:14.440 Then he loops and everybody else on his side. But 0:43:15.840 --> 0:43:18.480 he and I definitely do have hard days. And thankfully 0:43:18.480 --> 0:43:21.960 it seems like when he's having a really downer time, 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:24.480 I'm okay, and when I'm having a super downer time, 0:43:24.560 --> 0:43:28.359 He's okay. So we're able to help each other through it. 0:43:28.440 --> 0:43:31.520 His wife I talk to a lot, you know, she 0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.680 tells me how Adam's doing. I vent to her, cry 0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:36.759 to her. You know, I have my brothers that I've 0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.719 cried to. So it's hard, but we're pushing through. 0:43:40.840 --> 0:43:43.080 Good's that's good. Where do you think all this is 0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:43.480 going to go? 0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:43.880 Do? 0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:46.560 You obviously are going to implicate people who are innocent 0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:49.080 or whatever, But where do you think all this is going? 0:43:49.880 --> 0:43:53.560 Every day I check Washington, you know, and what's going 0:43:53.600 --> 0:43:55.560 on there, and you know, a lot of it is 0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:58.640 all rumor and speculation and stuff like that. So you know, 0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:00.400 I know there's things that you probably can't say, and 0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:02.320 please don't feel any pressure to do so, But what 0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:04.480 do you think is gonna happen? Like, where do you 0:44:04.480 --> 0:44:08.160 think all this is going? I still can't imagine, I'm 0:44:08.160 --> 0:44:11.200 going to say it. I still cannot imagine that she 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:15.399 didn't know about this, And I also still can't imagine 0:44:15.520 --> 0:44:19.640 that any money that was paid to Henry was done 0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.000 so without her knowing about it, just her personality type. 0:44:23.040 --> 0:44:25.279 I just know that she had the purse strings right, 0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:29.520 So I just it's frustrating for me as an outsider, 0:44:30.080 --> 0:44:32.840 I can't imagine, and I never want to be in 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.560 your position, but I just can't imagine the frustration that 0:44:36.560 --> 0:44:40.840 you're dealing with it because it's like everybody knows. Everybody knows. 0:44:41.400 --> 0:44:44.680 Yeah, it's it's honestly frustrating knowing that you know, as 0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.600 they say, it's an open investigation, so we know that 0:44:47.680 --> 0:44:52.000 it's not fun with Henry and Mario. It is frustrating 0:44:52.560 --> 0:44:56.440 trying to be patient. But though you look at other 0:44:56.520 --> 0:45:01.319 cases and having two people behind bar within I think 0:45:01.480 --> 0:45:05.480 thirteen or fourteen months, it's actually pretty remarkable. So I 0:45:05.560 --> 0:45:11.160 am grateful that according to usual crime timelines, we are 0:45:11.200 --> 0:45:15.239 pretty quick, but does it feel quick when you're you're 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:18.200 the family that's been hurt and are waiting for justice 0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.919 to be done. It feels like an eternity. So where 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.200 I think it's going, I think, well, Henry's kind of 0:45:24.239 --> 0:45:29.520 wrapped up, so he's in jail until sentencing. Mario as 0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:33.680 of now is intending to go to trial, which likely 0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:37.279 will not take place until at least next spring at 0:45:37.320 --> 0:45:40.520 the earliest, and then it's still an open investigation. So 0:45:40.600 --> 0:45:43.200 I would assume that there will be another arrest at 0:45:43.239 --> 0:45:46.759 some point and then who knows how long until that 0:45:46.840 --> 0:45:47.840 trial takes place. 0:45:54.120 --> 0:45:57.799 Have you guys had any contact with Shanna or any 0:45:57.840 --> 0:46:00.839 discussions about the kid or being the twins and being 0:46:00.880 --> 0:46:03.480 able to see them or have any access to them 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:03.799 at all. 0:46:04.920 --> 0:46:07.560 So I have not seen or spoken to Liam and 0:46:07.600 --> 0:46:10.359 Abbey since April of twenty twenty two, so it's been 0:46:10.400 --> 0:46:14.800 over a year. I have asked for visitations via FaceTime 0:46:14.880 --> 0:46:17.920 now that they are no longer here regularly. It was 0:46:18.200 --> 0:46:20.640 multiple times a month, then I took it down to 0:46:20.680 --> 0:46:23.600 once a month because I was just getting no response. 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.600 I've asked Shanna until she blocked my phone number. I 0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:29.920 was texting her. Then I started emailing her and her attorney. 0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:34.320 No response except an accident or reply from her attorney 0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:36.240 that was supposed to be to her that just basically 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:38.680 said I don't think you need to respond. And I 0:46:38.680 --> 0:46:42.560 also have texted her dad, Sterling Gardner because I had 0:46:42.600 --> 0:46:45.960 his phone number, asking for help just allowing the kids 0:46:46.000 --> 0:46:50.280 to talk, and he has also ignored me, thankfully. Jared's 0:46:50.320 --> 0:46:53.960 sister Ashley contacted Shanna. I gave her her phone number 0:46:54.160 --> 0:46:56.160 at the end of last year and asked to be 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:59.480 able to contact them. Shanna did allow her to have 0:46:59.520 --> 0:47:02.000 a face time with them, so she was able to 0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:07.600 talk to them, and then just recently Jared's parents. They 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:10.480 had reached out to Shanna's attorney last summer asking to 0:47:10.520 --> 0:47:13.440 talk to the twins before he went through cancer treatments 0:47:13.480 --> 0:47:17.320 and was ignored, but they reached out again in April 0:47:17.400 --> 0:47:19.360 asking if they could talk to them for their birthday, 0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:25.759 and Shelly, Shanna's mother, actually facilitated a call with them 0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:29.880 and the twins for fifteen minutes. She limited it fifteen 0:47:29.920 --> 0:47:32.799 minutes and kind of said some boundaries on things they 0:47:32.800 --> 0:47:35.400 couldn't say, so she couldn't tell them about they couldn't 0:47:35.440 --> 0:47:38.240 tell them about me and the girls, or mentioned Jared, 0:47:38.320 --> 0:47:41.040 nothing of that nature. Just keep it. What are you 0:47:41.040 --> 0:47:43.839 guys up to? And that's all the contact that I 0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:45.240 am aware of that has been allowed. 0:47:48.200 --> 0:48:03.759 Let's stop here for another quick break. Every single time 0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:07.280 we spoke to Kirsten, we have been struck by her grace, 0:48:07.400 --> 0:48:09.320 her determination, and her resilience. 0:48:09.680 --> 0:48:12.640 She's turned this awful tragedy in her life, the murder 0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:15.560 of her husband, into something positive and it's giving back 0:48:15.600 --> 0:48:19.239 to the community by creating the Bexley Box initiative. 0:48:23.880 --> 0:48:27.760 So we started the Britdigan Foundation in order to further 0:48:27.880 --> 0:48:32.239 spread our Bexley Box initiative. The Bexley Box started just 0:48:32.520 --> 0:48:35.120 as an idea that I had after reflecting back on 0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:39.960 Bexley's experience at the Jacksonville Beach Police Department. They did 0:48:40.000 --> 0:48:42.080 their best with what they had, but they really didn't 0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:45.040 have essentials for kids that were there for hours. You know, 0:48:45.120 --> 0:48:48.960 she didn't have a correct sized diaper, no sippy cup, 0:48:50.080 --> 0:48:52.920 very limited toys to keep her entertained for the amount 0:48:52.960 --> 0:48:56.040 of time she was there, and nothing comforting like, you know, 0:48:56.080 --> 0:48:59.720 a stuffed animal or a blanket. So the Bexley Box 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:03.320 is a refillable resource that we provide to law enforcement 0:49:03.360 --> 0:49:08.440 agencies that contains those essentials, so premixed formula, bottles, allergy 0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:16.319 friendly snacks, blankets, coloring supplies, anti anxiety relieving toys, lots 0:49:16.320 --> 0:49:19.680 of things that we worked with people in the community 0:49:20.120 --> 0:49:23.760 to compile that would be beneficial to kids. We have 0:49:24.640 --> 0:49:27.759 place twenty four of these boxes to date, and we 0:49:27.880 --> 0:49:31.080 have a whole list of agencies to go that have 0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:34.200 already asked for them, and we're gonna be working our 0:49:34.200 --> 0:49:37.319 way down. But we are always looking for people who 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:39.680 either want to help us place one in their local 0:49:39.760 --> 0:49:43.239 law enforcement agency if they have connections there, or donations 0:49:43.320 --> 0:49:46.759 that go to help us build and deliver these boxes. 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:51.360 I love that the thought of a child sitting in 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.640 the police station without any comfort is upsetting. 0:49:55.040 --> 0:49:57.520 Honestly, that was like one of those things that just 0:49:57.719 --> 0:49:59.640 ate at me. In addition to like people didn't know 0:49:59.640 --> 0:50:03.880 who it was, and like Bexley's experience could have been better, 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:07.759 Like she went through the worst, it could have been 0:50:07.800 --> 0:50:10.960 better for her right after that and no fall of 0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:14.319 the officers, but right right and now, when I've met 0:50:14.360 --> 0:50:18.719 with you know, sheriffs or police chiefs or victims advocates. 0:50:19.440 --> 0:50:21.600 They said, we hadn't even thought about this, Like, this 0:50:21.680 --> 0:50:24.759 isn't something we think about as officers. It takes a 0:50:24.840 --> 0:50:29.840 parent to be like, my child would need this. Yeah. 0:50:29.880 --> 0:50:31.960 And that's one of the really beautiful things that came 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.160 out of the instagram is when I shared that idea, 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:38.160 the outpouring of support was amazing. Boxes just kept showing 0:50:38.200 --> 0:50:41.560 up at my house. Mostly mothers were messaging me with 0:50:41.640 --> 0:50:45.080 have you thought of this? One of them suggested the formula. 0:50:45.160 --> 0:50:47.480 I didn't formula feed my kids. That wasn't even in 0:50:47.480 --> 0:50:49.960 my brain. I was like, you know what, that's a 0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:53.160 great idea. Another one had seen the snacks that we 0:50:53.160 --> 0:50:55.880 were putting in and said, what about you know, allergy 0:50:55.960 --> 0:50:58.560 sensitive children. I was like, we should just make them 0:50:58.560 --> 0:51:00.640 all allergy friendly as much as we can, you know, 0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:03.440 like gluten free, peanut free. So it was just a 0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:05.719 beautiful thing that came out of the social media of 0:51:05.800 --> 0:51:09.200 people coming together to make an idea even better for 0:51:09.320 --> 0:51:11.480 children who might find themselves in that situation. 0:51:14.480 --> 0:51:15.960 I mean, I hate to even say this, but it's 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:19.360 kind of like the blessing in disguise right with her experience, 0:51:19.680 --> 0:51:23.560 that her legacy will be helping other children that are 0:51:23.560 --> 0:51:27.839 going through something traumatic be just find a tiny bit 0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:31.240 of comfort. And I think that I think that's really special, 0:51:31.640 --> 0:51:34.680 and I hope that it's successful and it's spread throughout 0:51:34.680 --> 0:51:38.759 the whole country. I mean, kids don't deserve any of this. 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:41.759 Well yeah, and you certainly don't. And and I'm not 0:51:41.840 --> 0:51:44.160 putting you on a penesilal or whatever, but I every 0:51:44.160 --> 0:51:46.400 time I talk about this case with like my friends 0:51:46.400 --> 0:51:49.000 in real life or you know, people who I'm work 0:51:49.040 --> 0:51:51.920 with or whatever, I always say, you, guys don't understand 0:51:51.920 --> 0:51:55.440 miss Bride Again. She is a force. She is a force. 0:51:56.080 --> 0:51:59.960 And I will say too, you have been the stamp 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:05.200 of care for your family in dealing with a traumatic event. 0:52:05.880 --> 0:52:08.480 You have been relentless in the pursuit of justice for 0:52:08.560 --> 0:52:14.200 your family. And I'm so proud of you. And I 0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.640 know Jared is too. Like I didn't know Jared, clearly 0:52:16.640 --> 0:52:18.319 I didn't, but I feel like I did through you, 0:52:18.440 --> 0:52:21.000 and I know he is just so proud of you. 0:52:21.600 --> 0:52:23.640 Thank you means a lot, honestly. 0:52:25.320 --> 0:52:29.520 True Crimes is executive produced by Stephanie Leidecker, Deanna Thompson, 0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:34.120 Courtney Armstrong, Jeff Shane, Andrew Arnaut, and me John Green, 0:52:34.520 --> 0:52:38.600 additional producing by Connor Powell and Gabe Castile, Editing by 0:52:38.640 --> 0:52:41.120 Jeff Twi, music by vanikor Music. 0:52:41.640 --> 0:52:44.640 True Crimes is a production of iHeart Radio and Katie Studios. 0:52:44.840 --> 0:52:47.239 For more podcasts from my heart Radio, please visit the 0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.359 iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your 0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:51.560 favorite shows.