1 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:06,960 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newtsworld. My guest today is a 2 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: good friend who served as the twenty eighth White House 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: Press Secretary and is the author of the best selling 4 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: book The Briefing. He is the host of Spicer and 5 00:00:16,040 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: Company on Newsmax TV. He previously served as communications director 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: and chief strategist of the Republican National Committee and worked 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: for several members of Congress. He serves on the Board 8 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: of Visitors of the US Naval Academy and holds a 9 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: master's degree from the US Naval War College and served 10 00:00:34,360 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: twenty two years in the US Navy. And, perhaps most importantly, 11 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: he was a quarter finalist on ABC's Dancing with the 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: Stars in season twenty eight, which I must confess, in 13 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: all the years I knew Sean, I wasn't quite sure 14 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: that that was his genre, but he assures me it's 15 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: one of the most fun things he's ever done. However, 16 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: he is joining me today to discuss his new book, 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: Radical Nation, Joe by Kamala Harris's Dangerous Plan for America. 18 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 1: I'm really pleased to welcome my guest and good friend, 19 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: Sean Spicer man the speaker. Thank you, it's an honor 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: to be with you. And before I forget, thank you 21 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: for your support of the book. You obviously are right 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: there under President Trump as an endorser of the book, 23 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,399 Speaker 1: and it means the world to me having come to 24 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill to work as you took over and led 25 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: the Republicans. So I couldn't tell you what a great 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: honor it was to me to have your support in 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: this endeavor. So thank you. Well listen, I'm delighted to 28 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: do it. But before I get to the book, I 29 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: have to ask you about a recent quote where he 30 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: said I walked into the lions Den every day, and 31 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: Biden's press secretary walks into a bunch of kittens. I 32 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: happen to agree with it, but would you explain that 33 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: for our audience. So the New York Times, who's doing 34 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: a profile on Jensaki, the current White House Press secretary, 35 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: and they I bet you you'd have something to say 36 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: about that, and I did. And my issue with Jen look, 37 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: I think with any press secretaries you know you've had several, 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 1: is they speak in lieu of the principle when the 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: principle themselves can't speak, so to the extent that if 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: they're conveying the messages that the principle wants or the pronunciations, etc. 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: Then they're doing a good job and they're doing fine. 42 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: They can only work with what the principle gives them. 43 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: My issue is generally with the White House Press Corps 44 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,760 Speaker 1: and the fact that Jen walks in every day makes announcements, 45 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: They write them down, they shake their head, and they leave. 46 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: Isn't her fault. They don't push back, they don't acknowledge 47 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 1: the double standards of hypocrisy, the policy failures. You know, 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: I got a lot of pushback for that comment, but 49 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, look at the video. I don't 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: know how you can deny it. When I walked in, 51 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,240 Speaker 1: you had a bunch of Hyaenas jumping up and down, 52 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: like Jim Accosta and others that were trying to make 53 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: a YouTube clip for themselves. What Jen has is a 54 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 1: bunch of well behaved prep school kids that are sitting 55 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: there with their hands folded, raising their hands until they're 56 00:02:53,800 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: called upon. Andre's somebody do a prencing book from Hyaenas 57 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: to Kittycats. I like it because it often it's the 58 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: very same person, which is what makes it amazing. Well, 59 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. Jen was a colleague of there's 60 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: at CNN. She worked at CNN prior to come into 61 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: the White House and between her stints at the Obama 62 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:16,360 Speaker 1: administration to him, and she's friends and colleagues with a 63 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: lot of these folks, and it's understandable. I mean, you 64 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: know that when you have a personal relationship with someone, 65 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: sometimes it can you overcome, you know, a lot of 66 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: other indifferences. I think most of those folks in the 67 00:03:26,840 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: room agree with their agenda to begin with, their friendly 68 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 1: and their prior colleagues with her, So it's not a 69 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: hostile relationship as it was with the Trump administration, where 70 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: they didn't like Trump, they didn't like his policies, and 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: they didn't like the people who work for him. I thought, 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: when you were doing that, I admired you because no 73 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: matter how hostile they got, you had an ability to 74 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: sort of roll with the punches and continue to smile 75 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: and hang in there. Was that a difficult challenge? Well, first, 76 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: I want to say thank you, because there are days 77 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: when I look back on the tape and I feel 78 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: like I'm looking at like an angry leprechron Yell it, folks, 79 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: But you know, every once in a while, Yeah, I 80 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: got my irish up, but you realize that when you 81 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: let them do that, that's what they wanted. And so 82 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: there were moments when I realized that the best answer 83 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: was to turn the temperature down to try to deflect it, 84 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: and then to recognize that their number one goal was 85 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 1: to get a clip or a sound bite that they 86 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: can then use to promote themselves. And so the less 87 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: that I took the bait and gave it to them, 88 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: the better. You know. We interviewed Keith Kellogg recently, who 89 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: you know, Will and General Kellog com into the Trump 90 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: you saw in private was different than the Trump that 91 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,600 Speaker 1: was portrayed in public. Would you agree with that? I 92 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: remember a couple of times I was actually in either 93 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 1: the Oval Office or that little dining room off the 94 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: Oval office, and you'd come in to prepare the press briefing, 95 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 1: and you and he would interact and it was a 96 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: very candid kind of back and forth. And did you 97 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: find Trump in that sense in those settings different than 98 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: the Trump you see at a rally. It's a great question, 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: because I think he's a very genuine For the most part, 100 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,240 Speaker 1: what you get is what you see, right, So as 101 00:05:08,279 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 1: you saw, I mean, he'll rip you apart you never 102 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: don't know where you stand with Donald Trump. I mean, 103 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: he will make it very clearly. He's either really pleased 104 00:05:15,680 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: with you, he's fine, or he's indifferent, or he's mad. 105 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: But you don't walk away thinking, you know, gosh, I 106 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: did a good job today and he's really upset. He 107 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: tells you where you are. That being said, there are 108 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: moments where Trump was unbelievably compassionate or empathetic. I look 109 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: back on the time when Chief Ryan Owens was killed 110 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:39,719 Speaker 1: in action and he was calling his wife Karen after 111 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: she had been notified of his death, and the comfort 112 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: that he provided to her and her kids was unbelievable, 113 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: and I was in awe at the time. And I've 114 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: watched him do that with individuals in private settings, and frankly, 115 00:05:54,560 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: I've always said I wish he would show that more 116 00:05:56,839 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: to people. I've seen him with staffers who have had 117 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: a horrible situation of some sort, comfort them and reach 118 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 1: out to them. So, in one sense, you know, the 119 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: Trump that you interact with that I would get talked 120 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: to about, you know, the briefing, whatever, it's the same 121 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,479 Speaker 1: Trump that you would see, you know, interacting with the 122 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: media whatever. He's straightforward but there are times where I 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: think he was very understanding and empathetic and caring to 124 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: individuals that I don't think people got to see. I know, 125 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: when my own father passed away, and my father died 126 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: December first, the election was November. You know, one of 127 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: the first calls I got was Donald Trump saying, hey, 128 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: you know, sorry for your loss, if I can, I mean, 129 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: just went on and on, and you know, I mean, 130 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 1: he'd just become President elect of the United States. So 131 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: I think for the most part, what you see is 132 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: what you get. But there are those moments where he 133 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: has a side of caring and compassion and empathy that 134 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: I don't think it's out as much. By contrast upon 135 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:57,119 Speaker 1: and Biden. I think probably for almost forty years, I guess, 136 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: and he's not the person I remember. I mean, I 137 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 1: can't quite figure out who the guy in the White 138 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: House is. I don't know him. I've met him a 139 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: handful of times. I don't know him like you do. 140 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: But I will say that from the outside, I think 141 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: I have the same assessment when I wrote this book. 142 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 1: You know, the guy who was elected at twenty nine 143 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: years old is not the guy that you see now. 144 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 1: Both in terms of positions and interactions. I think that 145 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: what happened was his lifelong dream was to be president 146 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: and he was willing to do whatever was necessary position 147 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: wise to achieve that goal. And the person that you 148 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: see in the Oval office, I mean him saying I 149 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: want to be the most progressive president ever. Three fridays ago, 150 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: he said, if we passed my one point two and 151 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 1: three point five pieces of legislation, will fundamentally transform the 152 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: structure in nature of our economy. I'm like, WHOA, that's 153 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: not the Joe Biden from Delaware that we came to 154 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 1: know as a senator. My sense, as we've moved from 155 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:56,800 Speaker 1: liberalism to sort of big government socialism as the core 156 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: model of the Democratic Party today, and that they're sort 157 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: of caught in enough. The pieces that are coming together, 158 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: like in the House and the Senate, are really so 159 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: deeply dedicated to creating a radically different world. Which is 160 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: why I want to come back to the title of 161 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: your book. You call it Radical Nation. What do you 162 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: mean by that? I don't think there's any other word 163 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: to describe what they are trying to do. I mean 164 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: the previous quote that I just shared. If you are 165 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: fundamentally trying to transform the structure and nature of economy. 166 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 1: I don't know any other word but radical that that fits. 167 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: If you are leaving Americans in a foreign country after 168 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: we've been there for decade and change and not thinking 169 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: that that's a radical change from US policy, I don't 170 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: know what is. If you want to let people flow 171 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: over our southern border with reckless and band and not 172 00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,680 Speaker 1: think that that's not a crisis, that's radical. And the 173 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: one thing that's interesting in the book is that it 174 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 1: was Joe Biden as a candidate that said I want 175 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: to be and will be the most progressive president ever. 176 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: That's not my word, that's not your words, that's not 177 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: the RNC, that's not Trump. I mean, that's him. He 178 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: has dedicated himself to being the most progressive president ever. 179 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: So we've had Democrats and Republicans fit within guardrails in 180 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: the past. I would argue Bill Clinton, you know, George Bush, 181 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: all of them. You go further to write a little 182 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: further to left, but there were guardrails. Joe Biden understands 183 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 1: that in order to outdo FDR and cement his legacy 184 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,040 Speaker 1: as the most progressive president in history, he needs to 185 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: go outside those guardrails and advocate and fight for policies 186 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: that would fundamentally transform the country in a world that 187 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: he would be remembered as doing. You understand a great 188 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,719 Speaker 1: deal about the media and a great deal about how 189 00:09:57,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: the White House words. How do you think those of 190 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: us who don't want radically change America? How do we 191 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 1: effectively fight against this radical agenda. The last chapter in 192 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: the book, Chapter twenty, is literally twenty different ways in 193 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: which you can get involved. Things that you can read. 194 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 1: I remember when I got involved in my first paid 195 00:10:18,440 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 1: campaign in nineteen ninety three. It was ed Munster in Connecticut. Two. 196 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: You actually came up and visited us. We were one 197 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 1: of the contract signers of Contract with America. But we 198 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,520 Speaker 1: used to drive around listening to go pack tapes. We'd 199 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:32,080 Speaker 1: put them in at night as we're going around and 200 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: putting up signs, and we got ideas. We got excited. 201 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: We heard about how we could channel our energy and 202 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: our passion for conservative principles and ideals into action. I 203 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: think we need to have that again. I think you're 204 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: seeing it at school boards where parents are going out 205 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: to express their displeasure to make sure that school board 206 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,040 Speaker 1: members and administrators and superintendents are held accountable. But people 207 00:10:53,080 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 1: have to understand that if they don't take action, we lose. 208 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: If they don't engage in the system, we lose. If 209 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: they don't push back, we lose. You know you mentioned 210 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 1: the introduction. I was appointed to the Board of Visitors 211 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: the US Naval Academy for a term or three years 212 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen by President Trump. I don't know what 213 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 1: is three four wednesdays ago, President of Biden staff sent 214 00:11:12,000 --> 00:11:14,080 Speaker 1: me an email in saying that UF till six o'clock 215 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: to resign or we're going to terminate you. I said no, 216 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: and then we filed a lawsuit. It wasn't easy, as 217 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 1: you know from past history going up against the administration. 218 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Filing a lawsuit takes money, takes time, but it's the 219 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: right thing to do. And I guess my point is, 220 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: if we don't choose to engage in our country, in 221 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: our political process, the left controls everything. They control the media, 222 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: they control Hollywood, late night shows, academia, big tech, corporate America. 223 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,560 Speaker 1: If we don't get involved in fight back, they win 224 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:48,760 Speaker 1: and we will never recognize our country again. Well, I 225 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: think that's right. I think the dangers are that great. 226 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: I found it interesting by the way, that what may 227 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: ultimately kill them is that it just doesn't work. But 228 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: you know this better than anyone. Here's my concern. Once 229 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: government has its hands in it, it won't let it go. 230 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: They'll say, how can we reform this, how can we 231 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,559 Speaker 1: put more money into it? But once they pass all 232 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:11,599 Speaker 1: of these systems, in these programs and build up these agencies, 233 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,320 Speaker 1: you know better than anybody what it takes to get down. 234 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 1: And I also think, frankly, I remember, and I tell 235 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: this story all the time that after ninety four, you know, 236 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: you had gotten rid of ice delivery to members houses, 237 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: and you probably remember how long that went back to. 238 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: But it was so symbolic of the Republicans commitment to 239 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: be good stewards of tax dollars. And Republicans now need 240 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: to reclaim that mantle and understand that even though that 241 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 1: was a small gesture, it was unbelievably symbolic of the 242 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: attitude that Republican House members in nineteen ninety four we're 243 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: going to go into that one hundred and fourth Congress 244 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: with and I think that we need to recommit ourselves 245 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: to that kind of principle of saying we get it 246 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: if we're given the honor and privilege of taking back 247 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: the majority again. We're not going to just let small 248 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 1: things go by the wayside. We're gonna get rid of programs. 249 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: We're going to make sure the government's effective and efficient 250 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: for you. But I think we've got to be willing 251 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 1: to fight. Too many folks are willing to roll over. 252 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: And I get it. It's tough. I've been at the forefront. 253 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: I know you were for a while. It's not fun 254 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: to come home watching your name get lappooned all over 255 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: Twitter or on a show. But that's what they want. 256 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 1: They want to intimidate you and cancel you out so 257 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: that you won't say anything again. But there's too much 258 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: at stake right now not to fight. Yeah, I mean, 259 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: it's interesting that ultimately, in a free society, you only 260 00:13:31,840 --> 00:13:35,199 Speaker 1: are as free as the courage of your citizens. And 261 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: we're in a real fight right now. But what I'm 262 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: struck with. The New York Times today had a story 263 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: that this will be the most expensive Thanksgiving dinner in history. 264 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: First of all, for the New York Times to have 265 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: printed it, I thought was a breakthrough. But in addition, 266 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,200 Speaker 1: Biden and his people are trying to pass these huge 267 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,679 Speaker 1: spending bills as people pay more and more for gasoline, 268 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: more and more for heating oil, more and more for food. Essentially, 269 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: there's a collision coming between the average American and their 270 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: pocketbook and the ideology of the people in the White House. 271 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, first of all, of all the years that 272 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 1: my wife agreed to host Thanksgiving for the entire family, 273 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: it's the one that's going to be the most expensive. 274 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: You know, that shows you what kind of luck we had. 275 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: And I'm being serious, Like she finally was like, you know, 276 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: we should have everyone down to Virginia this year. Of course, 277 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: of course, Sean, the good news maybe that they can't 278 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 1: afford the gasoline so they can't come. Well, they're car pooling, 279 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: so that's unfortunate. They're going to save money there. But 280 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny you watch the administration right now 281 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: talk about the fact of Jen Sock you're gonna be 282 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: a short term that this was a made up crisis, 283 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: and the reality is that the Americans are smart people. 284 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: They're walking into stores and seeing shelves empty, and what's 285 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: left on the shelves is costing the more, as you 286 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 1: pointed out, whether it's filling your car up with gas 287 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: or buying that turkey of the gallon of milk or 288 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 1: orange juice or whatever. Things are just costing more. And 289 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: the funny thing is a lot of people middle classing 290 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: up it probably a little bit, they can absorb it. 291 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: But for those people who are on the lower end 292 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: of the wage skille, that's an unhidden tax. I mean, 293 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,120 Speaker 1: if things go up fifteen twenty percent and you're still 294 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: making the same amount of money, you're cutting other things 295 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: out of your budget. And I think that's the irony 296 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: of this, is that their policies are hurting the people 297 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: that they claim to help the most. And I think 298 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: people being to realize that, you know, Biden promised nobody 299 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 1: under four hundred thousand dollars would pay higher taxes, but 300 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: in a very real sense, the inflation tax is as 301 00:15:28,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: long as you don't eat or heat your house, or 302 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: drive a car, or you know, you go down the list, 303 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: then you're fine. But if you have to do any 304 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: of those things, Biden is charging you a lot more 305 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: money than you used to the thing that upsets me, 306 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: and this is from a guy who got a d 307 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: in economics. Let's just get all the cards on the table. 308 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 1: Here is it doesn't take much to fix it. Right. 309 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: You have government disincentivizing people going to work. You have 310 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: a bunch of government policies actually inhibiting economic growth, job creation. 311 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: So we don't need more government spending in government action. 312 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: We need last we have a government problem, not a 313 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: labor problem. Yeah. I think that's right. I do have 314 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: to ask you, by the way, among all the different 315 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 1: things you did as presidential spokesperson and then emerging as 316 00:16:28,920 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 1: a national figure, which is one of the side effects 317 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: if you're really good at what you're doing, one of 318 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: the things you had to live through was Melissa McCarthy 319 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 1: playing you. And I know you've been asked this a 320 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: thousand times on Saturday Night Live. I happen to be 321 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: a big fan of hers. I think she's a terrific 322 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: comedian and actress. But I do remember vividly her riding 323 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: down I think Fifth Avenue dressed as you. What was 324 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 1: your reaction to all that? Well, first, let me start 325 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: with the ladder, because my brother worked not far from there, 326 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: and you know, obviously they taped it before they showed it, 327 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 1: and my brother calling goes, you're not going to believe 328 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: what's coming down the street. I mean literally is like 329 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: five blocks away, and it had caused quite a commotion, 330 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,160 Speaker 1: so he saw it. Look the first time it happened, 331 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: it was funny. I was getting up my wife and 332 00:17:11,160 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: I had gone to bed earlier. She got up, she said, Hey, 333 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: by the way, did you see Saturday eight Live. We 334 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: were getting the kids ready to go to church. Didn't 335 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: have time. In the middle of the church. I could 336 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: tell in my personal cell phone, not my white house, 337 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: like I keep getting buzzed. Hey, that was funny. I 338 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: get home, I watch it and I thought, Okay, the 339 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: first one was pretty funny, and if I'm being honest, 340 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 1: it was a little well deserved, like I had had 341 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,120 Speaker 1: a tough first week, and every once in a while 342 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: you got to take your medicine, and you know what, 343 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: I can laugh at myself a little. The subsequent ones, 344 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I think got a little personal and mean. I agree 345 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: with your assessment. I think Melissa is a talented actor. 346 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, she played a role and she was given 347 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: lines and she executed them. But I do think that 348 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: they went from being funny to mean, and that's up 349 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: to them. Like I said, the first one, I could 350 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 1: laugh at myself and I said, okay, this is kind 351 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 1: of funny the super Soaker, and you know, so I 352 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: actually thought it was a good idea. Maybe I should 353 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: get all the press soaking wet and push them out. 354 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: But the other ones were a little over the top. 355 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: Well you know, I noticed that Saturday night they had 356 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: three different people playing Biden in the opening, and I thought, 357 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: given how left winning the show is, that was not 358 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: a good sign if you're the Biden administration. Well, I 359 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 1: also thought the funny thing is maybe they would disagree 360 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:25,800 Speaker 1: with this, but I thought it was funny. I mean, 361 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,919 Speaker 1: and it wasn't personal. It's just, hey, your poll numbers 362 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: are sinking, and those are all facts. It wasn't mean 363 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,479 Speaker 1: about Joe Biden or his staff or his family. And 364 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: I think that was the difference. I think it went 365 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: back to the Chevy Chase days with Gerald Ford, which 366 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: is it was a funny skit that I think even 367 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: the subject of it could probably get a chuckle out of. 368 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 1: During the Trump administration, it just really did become more 369 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: of an attempt to achieve a goal and to undermine 370 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,280 Speaker 1: the folks. Again, I think it lost its edge about 371 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: being funny and just became an opportunity to really go 372 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: after everybody yeah, man, the left has gotten and you 373 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: see this happening with comedians and with all sorts of people. 374 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: The left has gotten into sort of a search and 375 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,920 Speaker 1: destroy model. That's amazing. But I had some affection for 376 00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: us Saturday Life because at one point John Bayner, as 377 00:19:10,880 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 1: the conference chair, got Chris Farley to come down. All 378 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden, they told me to sit down on 379 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 1: one of our conferences and Farley walks out dressed as me, 380 00:19:20,600 --> 00:19:24,400 Speaker 1: takes over the conference pounds away with his gavel. It's 381 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 1: actually on YouTube. It's a very funny skit, but it 382 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: was done in a kind of happy, positive way. It 383 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: wasn't done with a whole lot of hostility, which is 384 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: unfortunately we seem to be in a cycle whether it's hostility. 385 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:39,200 Speaker 1: You know. One of the things you do point out 386 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: where I agree with you one hundred percent is that 387 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: as you write, the fate of the world hinges on 388 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: whether the Biden Harris administration gets it right on communist China, 389 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: and you go on to say it's incredibly dangerous for 390 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: an American president to be so naive about the intentions 391 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: of coming to cher. Could you explain that I think 392 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: this is the greatest single threat to our survival, and 393 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm very curious to get your thoughts about it. Well. 394 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 1: I mean, I would start by associating my comments with yours. 395 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Right now, I think China is so underestimated, both on 396 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: an economic and military perspective, that we don't have time 397 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: to get it wrong. I think coddling them, trying to 398 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: appease them. John Kerry say saying that he thinks that 399 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: somehow that he can go have a conversation with them 400 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 1: and they're gonna suddenly reduce their greenhouse cast emissions, like 401 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: they haven't been told this before. There is a naivete 402 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: that comes along right now with underestimating China, both in 403 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: the economic sense and then from a military sense. The 404 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: sad thing about the pandemic is this, they sent us 405 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: a virus, and then we turn around about all of 406 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 1: our ppe and pharma drugs and equipment from them, and 407 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 1: we haven't done anything to bring manufacturing home. We haven't 408 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 1: learned any lesson from this, we haven't found the source 409 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: of the virus. I mean, if I'm China, I look 410 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: at what's going on here, and I'm going, holy smoke, 411 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 1: I didn't think it would be this easy. They present 412 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: an unbelievable existential threat. And I think the thing that 413 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: Trump is there are apps like TikTok and everything else 414 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 1: that I think everybody loves to play with. I get it, Huawei, 415 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,879 Speaker 1: why do you think they're giving this stuff away? China 416 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: gets it? And Trump understood the threat that China posed. 417 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 1: Wouldn't let Whahwei sell understood the nature of what TikTok 418 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: was all about. And then the Biden administration comes in 419 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: and rolls back all of these things. These folks are 420 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: creating a dossie on every single person. And I think 421 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: for most Americans, go, you know what, I'm not important, 422 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: No one cares about me. I'm like, that's not what's 423 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,399 Speaker 1: going on here. Their goal is to create a DOSSII 424 00:21:31,520 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: on every single individual. And I don't think people appreciate 425 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: the extent and the threat that China poses to our nation, 426 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: frankly to the world. And I don't think that this 427 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: administration gets it either, and that worries me both militarily 428 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: and economically. I concluded watching the Left with China, they 429 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: can't appreciate that in the real world, communist China's usun 430 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: pays vision of the future is a dominant China with 431 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: the America basically as a supplicant to China, and exactly 432 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: the tradition of the earlier historic Chinese Empire, which had 433 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 1: other countries which could come and be subservient, but they 434 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,480 Speaker 1: were never the equal of China. And I think that 435 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: that's a real challenge for us to realize. And I'm 436 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: afraid that the Biden administration may be a gigantic step 437 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: back in the wrong direction. I couldn't agree more. And 438 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: the problem is, we don't have the time to lose 439 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,480 Speaker 1: four years. That's what's troubling about this is that every 440 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: time that they advance and we don't, they get that 441 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: much further head And at some point, I just don't 442 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: know that we're gonna have the ability to turn the clock. 443 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 1: I mean, and frankly, we are so dependent. I mean, 444 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: I use this phrase on our show all the time 445 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: we have guests and we're talking about Chinese. I really 446 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: think China is too big to fail. They own too 447 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: much of us, They are too intertwined in our economy. 448 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: You saw the administration walk back the other night that 449 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,199 Speaker 1: Taiwan comment. They walked it back for a reason. The 450 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 1: idea that a man who's eight years as Vice President 451 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,479 Speaker 1: chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, doesn't understand US policy 452 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 1: with respect to Taiwan. That's a concern, But the bigger 453 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 1: point is is that they immediately sent Jensaki out the 454 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: next day to walk it back because I think that 455 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,439 Speaker 1: they're worried that they might have to right. That's right. Listen, 456 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: I know you've got a really busy schedule launching your 457 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: new book, Radical Nation, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris's Dangerous 458 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Plan for America. I want you to know that I'm 459 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 1: both very grateful you took the time out of your 460 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 1: busy book launch schedule to be with us, and I 461 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: want our listeners to know that they can purchase your 462 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: new book by going to newsworld dot com and we'll 463 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: have a link to purchase your book. And Sean, I 464 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: look forward in the future. You're very productive and you're 465 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 1: very thoughtful, and I hope we'll be able to do 466 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: some more podcast in the future. I would love it. 467 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: And the speaker, you've honored me with your time and 468 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,119 Speaker 1: your endorsement, and I can't say enough your leadership is 469 00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: why I am where I am today. As I said, 470 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: my first campaigns were getting ready for the contract of America. 471 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: I still have them framed. Also to my wife's stagrant 472 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 1: is I am a political hoarder. So if you ever 473 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: need any documents from nineteen ninety four stickers, buttons, polling, 474 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: I have it all all right. 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