WEBVTT - How Witchcraft Works 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:02.880 Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:07.480 It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:17.279 from house stuff Works dot Com? Hey, Chuck Joshers, you 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.240 were about to be in Guatemala, buddy, correction, dude, we 0:00:20.280 --> 0:00:24.200 are in Guatemala as this is playing. Wow, pretty cool. Huh. 0:00:24.200 --> 0:00:26.440 It's the magic of technology. So tell them what we're 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:29.240 plugging here. Well, we're gonna be down in Guatemala finding 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:33.159 out whether education can actually alleviate poverty or not. Right yep. Uh. 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:34.919 And while we're down there, we're going to be blogging 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.479 the whole time. Hopefully as we speak there will be 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:40.720 blog posts. Uh. And if we don't have internet access, 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:43.320 it'll be up next week. Yeah. The internet in Guatemala 0:00:43.360 --> 0:00:45.519 mayor it may not be spotty. We haven't figured it 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:47.920 out yet, but if not, they'll be out the following week, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:50.159 right indeed. Okay, Well you can check those out at 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:52.760 the blogs at house stuff works dot com. Chuck and 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:56.520 I share a blog called stuff you Should Know appropriately enough? Right, Yes, 0:00:56.880 --> 0:01:10.000 that's that. Right, on with the show with the podcast. Hey, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.240 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:17.960 as always as Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Chuck. Yes, 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:22.319 I'm gonna paint a scene for you. Literally that might 0:01:22.360 --> 0:01:24.640 take a while. And that was my words. What's that 0:01:24.760 --> 0:01:27.240 canvas and easil doing it here? Thing? This is just 0:01:27.280 --> 0:01:30.319 to help me think. Okay, let's here. I'm just gonna 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.160 trust stick figures right here, so don't expect too much. 0:01:33.520 --> 0:01:40.160 Imagine right that you are tied to a pole. Okay, 0:01:40.319 --> 0:01:42.680 you're far so good. You're bound with your hands behind 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:46.160 your back, less good, and your ankles are also bound 0:01:46.160 --> 0:01:50.400 to said pole, which looking up right erect and um, 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:54.200 you notice that there are there's an awful lot of 0:01:54.800 --> 0:01:59.480 really dry firewood scattered around you around this pole. That's 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.640 not good. It's really not good. Even uh less good? 0:02:03.960 --> 0:02:08.240 Is uh? You figuring out that there's some guy, probably 0:02:08.320 --> 0:02:12.120 some sort of priest or official, maybe an executioner, coming 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:16.120 towards you with a torch. Other people there there are 0:02:16.200 --> 0:02:19.440 tons of people, all of your neighbors, people in your 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.400 very small community who you've known your whole life. My 0:02:22.400 --> 0:02:25.280 neighbors would be saying that guy, well, this is in 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:28.280 a different time. Okay, So well, let's say that you 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.120 know all of your neighbors and work with them in 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:33.720 trade with them, and maybe it helped raise their children, 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:38.120 right right, healed them when they were sick using herbs 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.200 and and maybe incantations. There were better times in the past. 0:02:42.440 --> 0:02:46.040 Right now, everyone in your town is pointing at you 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:48.880 and laughing at you, and yelling and and calling you 0:02:48.919 --> 0:02:51.680 horrible names and accusing you of doing horrible things like 0:02:52.040 --> 0:02:55.720 um stealing babies and sucking their blood and yeah, just 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.680 doing all sorts of terrible stuff. Right and in front 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.200 of you are your daughters. You have a couple of daughters, 0:03:03.000 --> 0:03:06.600 and they're being forced to watch this man who's approaching 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.520 you with the torch. But not only that, they're being 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:12.840 whipped in front of you. So you're about to die 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:14.839 in one of the most horrible ways of human being 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:19.840 can die, right while you're watching your daughter's being whipped 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:24.200 and the entire town pointing at you, calling you horrible 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:28.520 names and just basically lacking any level of humanity whatsoever. 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.560 That's pretty I'm not done yet, really. The guy finally 0:03:33.600 --> 0:03:35.880 makes it over and took his sweet ass time. Then 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.800 he finally makes it over with the torch and lights 0:03:38.840 --> 0:03:40.840 the kindling, and all of a sudden, you got the 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:44.840 hot foot, right the flames start to climb and climb. 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:47.560 You're having trouble breathing. You're extremely hot, your clothes are 0:03:47.600 --> 0:03:51.240 catching on fire, your your skin is blistering. The pain 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:55.040 is about as intense as it can possibly be from 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.480 what I understand, Burning to death in this manner can 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:04.240 take a matter of ours. Wow. Yeah, until I die, yes, 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.560 or until I guess you're completely burned up. Josh, that's awful. 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.000 It is pretty awful. I can't imagine a worse way 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:13.200 to die. No, I can't either, Chuck. But do you 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:17.600 want to know something This actually happened to hundreds of 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:21.960 thousands of people during the Middle Ages in Europe and 0:04:22.160 --> 0:04:25.360 later on in the United States. We are talking about witches. 0:04:25.560 --> 0:04:28.400 We are talking about which is perhaps the craft one 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.640 of the most misunderstood or revile groups of all time 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.440 in history. Never think about that. No, you probably would 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:41.560 have said gypsies. Yeah, but no, which is okay, that's 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.440 my two cents. Yeah, I would agree with that, especially 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.480 after reading this article. Yeah, and hearing that story, which 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:50.560 is got the the bad end of the stick. Yeah, 0:04:50.640 --> 0:04:52.919 I would agree with that. So where do we go 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:56.520 from here? Josh? To the beginning? Sure? Do we don't 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.640 actually know the very beginning, right, because witchcraft and has 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.960 been around since like they were pre humans. Right, sure, yeah, 0:05:04.000 --> 0:05:07.040 I mean you can make you can make the case 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:14.080 that all pre Christian religions, with the exception of Judaism, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:19.240 war um, witchcraft basically yeah, because the article pointed out 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.559 here that witchcraft, like when times were rosy, everything was great, 0:05:22.600 --> 0:05:27.159 but then when plague hit and famine and disease, then 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.560 that's when people said, oh, you know, maybe we should 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.560 get this shaman to cook up a little potion or 0:05:33.600 --> 0:05:36.560 say a spell to the gods and maybe things will 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.000 turn in our favor. And if they didn't turn in 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:42.120 their favor, then the shaman or the witch or the 0:05:42.160 --> 0:05:45.680 folk deal or whatever usually found the entire town against 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:48.640 him or her right and perhaps even burned at the stake. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:53.040 But this was before before a certain period. Witchcraft is 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:57.520 basically just like whatever. It was normal, commonplace, everyday stuff, 0:05:57.880 --> 0:06:01.680 and there wasn't necessarily anything like evil associated with it 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:05.000 like we do today. It was magic right with a K. 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:11.160 Explain Yes, M A G I C K is to differentiate. 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:15.120 That is a common accepted spelling by modern witches to 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:21.840 differentiate between like let's say, um real witchcraft, David Copperfield 0:06:21.880 --> 0:06:26.360 that kind of magic, or an illusionist or John c 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:29.320 Riley as the illusionist at the end of Boogie Nights. 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.520 Remember he became a magician at the end. No, I 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:35.000 totally forgot that. Yeah, yeah, that's what he became after 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.720 his porn career. I forgot about that anyway, that kind 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.240 of magician or the other kind of magic, which is 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:44.400 there's both black and white magic, and they're they're not 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:48.440 necessarily mutually exclusive as the good and evil as we learned. No, 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.919 at some point though, the tide very much turned, and 0:06:52.960 --> 0:06:56.719 there's actually there's some I should say, uh it turned 0:06:56.760 --> 0:06:58.839 at one point, but there were several things that led 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.200 up to the turning of the tide, against which is 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:07.040 saying saying Augustine had something to do with this. Well, actually, um, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.240 is it Augustine? Yeah, okay, I know we always say 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:14.680 Augustine and uh you doubt his uh existence at times. 0:07:15.280 --> 0:07:21.239 We've gotten some email on that, yeah, um round about uh. 0:07:21.280 --> 0:07:26.040 Augustine argued that only God could suspend the normal laws 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:30.240 of the universe. Therefore there couldn't possibly any such beasts, 0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:33.840 any such thing as what which is claimed to be 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:37.480 able to do right right, So basically they may as 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.280 well have just been engaged in tooth fairy studies or 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.120 something like that. They were totally harmless, possibly wacko, but 0:07:44.200 --> 0:07:49.480 to the Christian Church they had nothing to do with anything, sure, right, okay, 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.120 and that that view was held for a good eight 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:55.880 hundred years, so it's popular. Yeah, So which is where 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:58.000 they went along? Their mary Wade did their own thing. 0:07:58.080 --> 0:08:00.720 Christianity went along. It's mary Wade at its own thing, 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:05.680 and um, no real problems right until a d twelve 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:10.080 oh eight and a pope name Innocent. The third went 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.480 to war with the Cathers. You heard of these guys, No, 0:08:13.640 --> 0:08:16.360 but I've heard of the innocent, have you? Yeah? And 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:19.560 the third had nothing on junior Just let me say that. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:23.400 Who the second? Yeah, innocent too, No, no, no, we 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.840 don't need to get into that ahead anyway. Innocent, the 0:08:26.880 --> 0:08:30.840 third not junior? Innocent the third? Did they use junior 0:08:30.920 --> 0:08:35.800 to denote popes? Okay um? Innocent? The third declared war 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:39.360 and the Cathers. The Cathers were this kind of um 0:08:39.600 --> 0:08:43.439 Christian sect who lived in France, I think northern France 0:08:43.480 --> 0:08:48.319 and long doc okay okay um. And they were very 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:52.840 much convinced that on Earth and throughout the universe, there 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:56.880 was a very real war going on between God and 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:01.520 the devil, good and evil, right and dark night and 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.760 day right, and there was very clear division and there 0:09:04.840 --> 0:09:09.720 was a power struggle going on. The Cather's also clearly 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:14.000 um believed that the Roman Church, the Roman Catholic Church, 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:19.320 was actually the Church of Satan. Okay, yeah, yeah, and 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:21.960 they were very much opposed to the Roman Church. The 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:25.559 Roman Church had more power. Led by Innocent the Third said, 0:09:25.640 --> 0:09:28.640 you know what, Cather's, we decided that you guys worshiped 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.760 the devil. And not only that, we're going to create 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:34.880 propaganda that shows that our wood carving showing your people 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.440 kissing the anus of the devil in person, because you 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:43.000 guys are devil worshipers. Take that. Wow, that was not 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:46.640 a good day. The Cather's were persecuted, they were yeah, yeah, 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.480 and to this day they're called the cather heretics. I'm 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.200 sure they could have gotten by with like kissing the 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:54.480 hand of the devil or something. I saw a wood 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.920 It's like the devil with the clovenhusts and he's bent over, 0:09:57.000 --> 0:10:01.760 like kiss my ass, kiss my devil butt. Actually can 0:10:01.760 --> 0:10:06.160 I go on. Yet, well, it doesn't get better for witches. 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:10.360 So now we have people who oppose the church worship Satan. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.760 That division has just been created. Okay um. And the 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:18.520 whole reason the pope went after the Cather's the idea 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:20.960 that there was a war between good and evil going 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:25.600 on was actually like, eighty years later adopted by St. 0:10:25.640 --> 0:10:29.160 Thomas Aquinas for him, and he's like, Okay, there is 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:30.920 such a thing as demons, and they're here on earth, 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:34.640 and not only are they involved in pleasuring themselves, they 0:10:34.760 --> 0:10:38.680 really really like to lead human beings astray from God. 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:41.120 So this is going on. There is real evil, it's 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:43.839 really tangible, and it's all around us all the time. 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.600 We have to protect ourselves as Christians. We have to 0:10:46.640 --> 0:10:49.480 be suspicious of other people who aren't Christians because they're 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.319 probably being led astray by these demons. Now we start 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:57.160 to have everyday people who can possibly be in league 0:10:57.200 --> 0:10:59.760 with the devil because it's all around us. Right, And 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.520 this when this was first taking root, right, this is 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:05.240 the real start of it. But everything's been leading up 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.120 to this boy right, and then finally Chuck in fourteen 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:12.480 eighty four, we have the real seed of how we 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:15.680 view which is and the which scare which led to 0:11:15.720 --> 0:11:20.040 the witch executions and persecution. Um. Fortunately for a pair 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:25.719 of German friars took two years to write the Malleus Maleficarum. Okay, right, 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.560 it's a basically a witch finding handbook. This is how 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:32.800 we get out, how to seek them out, how to 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:37.440 try them, how to execute them. Basically, these two German friars, Um, 0:11:37.559 --> 0:11:41.400 remember the vow of abstinence. We're not very happy with women. 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:44.400 And they basically made all this stuff up. Most whitches 0:11:44.440 --> 0:11:48.400 were women, um to tell which anyone who was suspected 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:50.680 of it, any woman who was suspected of it should 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:54.800 be stripped down and search for moles. Right. And then 0:11:55.080 --> 0:11:58.840 um also which is like to steal penises from men, 0:11:59.320 --> 0:12:01.320 collect them, keep them in a box where they would 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.280 move by themselves, and eat oats and corn. Pretty awful idea, right. 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.680 And um also like which is when you're trying a witch, 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:10.320 you have to lead her in backwards so she doesn't 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.520 have a chance to cast spells on everybody when she's 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:17.199 killing in the room. Makes sense? Just stupid stupid like that? Right, 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:22.840 that's probably gonna get bleaped out, Okay, And that led 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.200 to the witch scare of the witch persecution and the 0:12:25.200 --> 0:12:29.080 witch executions that we know and love today. Hundreds of 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:32.560 thousands of people, chuck, hundreds of thousands of people were 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.360 killed because these two German friars wrote this book and 0:12:36.440 --> 0:12:39.360 just made it up. I feel like we could stop there. 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:45.280 I have more. I'll try to interject it later. So, Josh, 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:48.280 should we talk about one of the most famous of 0:12:48.280 --> 0:12:53.840 those persecutions. Yes, not single persecution, a set of persecutions 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:58.679 in in Salem, Massachusetts. Of course you've read The Crucible. 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:02.480 You know we're talking about Salem witch trials. Yeah. Should 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:04.240 we go over that real quick? I think we should. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.320 This all started because a couple of precocious teenage girls 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.520 may or may not had have had clinical hysteria or 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.640 been bored or been bored, maybe epilepsy, you never know. 0:13:15.120 --> 0:13:18.480 The point is they were having convulsions and screaming like 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.840 as if they were possessing. They were being pinched and poked. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.880 Is that what it was? Yeah, by an unseen force, 0:13:25.040 --> 0:13:28.200 bitten and pinched, not poked by an unseen force. They 0:13:28.200 --> 0:13:30.600 were they were poked by the witch examiners, I'm sure, 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:34.200 okay uh, and the doctor actually the witch examiner said, 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:38.000 you know, they are clearly bewitched, right, and how because 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.920 that stupid book. The stupid book, Yes, he probably had 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:44.040 that in his little doctor physician. He wasn't even a 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:46.880 witch examiner. The guy was the village physician. He was, 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:49.439 and he was like, I can't come up with any explanation. 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:52.360 So they're clearly bewitched, right. And so this led to 0:13:52.559 --> 0:13:56.560 the one by one these ladies in Salem, Massachusetts. And 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:00.760 this was clearly before their big liberal influx of liberals 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.720 in Massachusetts. Those days are over. Well yeah, true recently 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:08.840 and uh, these women became you know, persecuted and accused 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:11.160 of being witches. And a couple of men too, but yeah, 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.199 mostly women, women who lived on their own um, which 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.480 was a crime supposedly in um Salem. You know who 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.360 didn't help the servant? Was that her name? Yeah, this 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.440 was a West Indian servant of one of the girls. 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.000 And she really cemented the whole deal when she said 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:32.480 that she admitted in court to dealing with the devil 0:14:32.640 --> 0:14:36.440 and flying on sticks and uh said, quote unquote they 0:14:36.480 --> 0:14:39.840 made her hurt those girls. Yeah, she didn't help things. 0:14:40.160 --> 0:14:42.560 So that really sent it into high gear and what 0:14:42.600 --> 0:14:47.080 like people were were killed right, put to death. Yeah, 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.600 one guy, um Giles, I can't remember his last name. 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.040 He was pressed to death with a heavy stone. He 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.200 was like an old man, an elderly man, and they 0:14:55.520 --> 0:14:57.520 put they laid him on a big stone and put 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.600 an even bigger stone on top of his chest and 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.080 the life was pressed out of him. Wow, I've never 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.200 heard of that. I believe he was. He was tortured 0:15:07.240 --> 0:15:09.200 to death like that because he would not confess to 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:10.920 being a witch. I wonder what they called that was 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:16.080 that called pressing goodness? Me, that's creative. Uh. And that 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.280 was um. That went on for a little while under 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:20.960 the rule of the General Court, and then that court 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:26.240 was usurped by the Court of the Judicature and they 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:30.160 basically reversed stance, and not very many witches after that 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.920 took place were persecuted. Right. They basically said, okay, the 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:40.760 over just pretend it's never happened. That's literally what happened. 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:42.960 And that was it. No more witchery, Yes, I said. 0:15:42.960 --> 0:15:45.000 Only three more people after that were found guilty of 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.880 witchcraft and they were even pardoned. Yeah. Later on, and 0:15:47.920 --> 0:15:49.360 they still don't know what was up with these two 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.520 girls like they said they could have been well, you know, 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.840 precocious little girls looking for attention, and they could have 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.880 you know, had some mass or not mass hysteria, but 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.920 clinical hysteria. I wrote an article for the site UM 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:03.880 about this study this woman conducted, I think in the seventies, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:08.000 and she proposed that they were actually all poisoned um 0:16:08.080 --> 0:16:11.960 by or God, which is a hallucinogen the canons, and 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:16.440 that everybody got it from eating rotten grain and um 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:19.720 was basically tripping. Well, that was one of the theories 0:16:19.760 --> 0:16:21.720 of the Enlightenment at one point. It's a bad trip? 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.480 Was there a lot of the Enlightenment was because of 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:28.200 bad bread? Yeah, basically people were hallucinating and coming up 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.840 with all these amazing inventions. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:34.280 know if that's true though. So where are we, Josh? Well, 0:16:34.640 --> 0:16:38.600 we could start to talk about the modern era. Okay, Well, 0:16:38.600 --> 0:16:40.800 pagan religion. Well do you want to talk about the 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.680 different kinds of witchery around the world. Yeah, I've got 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:48.120 a couple of Like the highlight I want to hear it, Chuck. Okay, Josh, 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:49.960 you know I was going to pick this one. Appalachian 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:55.440 folk magic so cool, can't you see now now putting 0:16:55.480 --> 0:16:58.000 like a hex on somebody. That was the worst movie ever. 0:16:59.440 --> 0:17:03.080 Appleachi folk magic Josh is you know, clearly around this 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:06.560 area of the southeast, and they have a very much 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:09.480 Christian based idea of it of a Christian God and 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.719 a devil as the good and evil like you were 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:15.560 talking about. And they are can use their magic with 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:19.000 a K for good or evil, and they look to 0:17:19.200 --> 0:17:23.119 nature for omens and like to portent the future and 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:25.399 their local men. Yeah, I know, we could probably go 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:27.240 up in North Georgia and round up a couple of 0:17:27.280 --> 0:17:29.960 these that would be pretty boss. Actually, yeah, yeah, I'd 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:32.359 like to go do that. What's yours? Give me something? 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:35.120 One of my favorites, is it? This is the coolest name. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:41.240 Pennsylvania Dutch hex craft a k A pow wow yeah um. 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:45.120 And it is from the well Pennsylvania Dutch area of Pennsylvania. 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:50.880 German UH and Dutch settlers including the Amish UM but 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:56.000 also including people who are Reformists like Lutheran's Right Protestants 0:17:56.440 --> 0:18:00.320 UM believe in this stuff where you can create eight 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:04.440 good will blessings things like that, usually for the home 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:11.919 UM by creating symbols hexes which UM apparently when they 0:18:11.920 --> 0:18:13.919 were when they first arrived and they were talking to 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:18.560 the English, they were saying sex is sex, but the 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:21.399 English herd hex and that's why it's called hex craft. 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.480 It's not the least bit um dark like. Right. You 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:30.080 know that you know that pineapple welcome flag that people 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:34.480 like hang outside of their house, that's a Pennsylvania Dutch hecks. Yeah, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:38.320 um bless this home, that's a Pennsylvania Dutch hecks. The 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:42.879 two partridges with a heart, Pennsylvania Dutch hecks. What about 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:47.040 the nice stuff? You know, it's real pleasant witchcraft. What 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:49.679 about don't tread on me? The rattlesnake? It's a little different, 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:53.000 and that's not the same thing. No uh. And of 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:55.160 course we gotta talk about Wicka. That's probably where we're 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.320 going to spend most of our time here, because Wicka 0:18:57.400 --> 0:19:00.200 is the most widely even though it's the youngest, well 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:02.400 no, no no about youngest, but only what like sixty years old? 0:19:02.840 --> 0:19:05.160 Yeah about, but it's still what the probably the most 0:19:05.160 --> 0:19:09.439 widely accepted form of modern witchcraft. Right, and it's a 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.399 form of paganism. Right, let's talk about paganism because that 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.960 that gets a bad rap. It says um a pagan 0:19:17.119 --> 0:19:21.680 is also often interchangeably called a heathen, and basically it's 0:19:21.720 --> 0:19:26.280 a pagan can mean either like someone who doesn't subscribe 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:30.719 to the Big Three Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, so any 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:35.480 other religion, including like major established religions like Buddhism, Hinduism, 0:19:35.520 --> 0:19:38.439 that kind of thing technically, or it can be it 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:47.919 can denote a religion that existed prior to Christianity, Judaism, Islam, 0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:51.359 that kind of thing. And actually the other characteristic of 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:55.360 it um is that it's it's usually polytheistic, more than 0:19:55.400 --> 0:20:00.000 one god exactly. That that is the characteristic, right, Yeah, 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:03.320 sort of like the rectangle square thing. Huh, Well, if 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.200 if it's if if you have multiple deities, you're definitely pagan. 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.240 But if not, does it, I mean necessarily aren't a pagan? 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:14.280 That makes sense? I just blew your mind, isn't it. So? 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.440 Pagan actually means country person though, and and Latin. It's 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:19.159 sort of the easiest way to put it, sort of 0:20:19.240 --> 0:20:23.000 like just a redneck kind of you know, home and 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.199 hearth I think, or hearth dweller is the Latin the 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:28.800 Latin translation. Yeah, but they weren't city people and they 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.199 were looked down upon, but it wasn't. They weren't necessarily 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:35.720 bad or anything, right, they're just kind of like you said, rednecks, pumpkins, Appalachian. 0:20:36.560 --> 0:20:39.040 And it was later on is when they became associated 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:43.320 with Satan, right, And we've seen why, or we've seen how. 0:20:43.440 --> 0:20:45.680 I'll get to why later on, because that'll blow your 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:49.320 mind too, dude, Okay, okay, but yeah, right now, as 0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:51.880 far as we know, there's pretty much only one form 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:56.879 of witchcraft practiced in the world, seriously practiced in the world, um, 0:20:57.119 --> 0:20:59.720 and that is Wicka. And like you said, Chuck, it's 0:20:59.720 --> 0:21:02.920 only a sixty years old, and it was created by 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:07.560 a guy named Gordon Gardner, right, Gerald, Gerald Gardener. His 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.679 brother Gordon actually was working on a different religion and 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:12.840 it didn't pan out. It didn't. It's kind of petered out, 0:21:12.920 --> 0:21:15.360 so Gordo fell by the wayside and Gerald took over. 0:21:16.480 --> 0:21:18.480 None of that is true, by the way, because people 0:21:18.480 --> 0:21:20.120 are Wickers are gonna rrite and say, I've never heard 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:23.080 of Gordon. What was his religion? We should make up 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:28.400 a pamphlet, of course, you actually no, Chuck. That's I'm 0:21:28.440 --> 0:21:31.600 glad you did that though, because that's a great segue. Um. 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:39.200 There's some real misunderstandings of Wicka and wickens Um. First 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.119 and foremost is that they're devil worshipers. Not true, No, 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.119 it's not true. As a matter of fact, the Wicka 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:47.360 don't even believe that there is a devil. They don't 0:21:47.400 --> 0:21:51.359 believe in the Christian concepts of the devil or hell yeah, exactly, so, 0:21:51.640 --> 0:21:53.840 how could you worship the devil if you don't even 0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:56.760 believe in exactly Josh, that's a that's a big one, 0:21:56.880 --> 0:22:00.720 right there. What's another misconception, Chuck? Well, he Gardner actually 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.840 founded it as a life affirming religion that does include 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.800 psychic abilities and magic. But the Wiccan takes an oath 0:22:09.640 --> 0:22:11.800 or is it a Wickan I guess yeah, it takes 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:14.480 an oath to not do harm. It's like it's only 0:22:14.520 --> 0:22:16.760 for self improvement. It's almost like, well, it's not like 0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:20.280 self help, but it's only meant to uh, to be 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:24.119 performed on yourself and there right, yeah, and technically there 0:22:24.160 --> 0:22:26.880 there is an implied understanding that you could harm other 0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:31.040 people with the power that you come to harness through 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.760 the Wickan rituals. But they they, like you said, they 0:22:34.800 --> 0:22:38.040 take an oath not to harm other people and there's 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:40.480 also a Wicken belief that if you do harm other people, 0:22:40.680 --> 0:22:42.760 what is it, the rule of three? If you harm 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:46.600 other people another person, the damage you've inflicted will come 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:51.440 back on you threefold. So there's kind of that um prohibition. 0:22:52.119 --> 0:22:54.360 Should we talk about. I think this is really cool, 0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:57.000 the life force, cosmic energy. Bet, it is cool. And 0:22:57.000 --> 0:22:59.080 this is pretty much the crux of their whole thing. Yeah, 0:22:59.119 --> 0:23:03.240 the crux of the whole thing is that Wickens believe, well, 0:23:03.280 --> 0:23:06.119 the scientific concepts we all believe is that all matter 0:23:06.240 --> 0:23:09.760 vibrates with its own energy. Wickens believe. You don't believe that. 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:14.440 I don't believe. Wickens believe that a witch's body has 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:19.080 that same vibration, both physical and spiritual rate of vibration, 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:23.320 and during these rituals they perform, they vibrate such that 0:23:23.400 --> 0:23:26.760 they can create a pathway for energy to flow through 0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:30.200 them and call on energy from the gods and deities, right, 0:23:30.320 --> 0:23:33.560 rather than I think all of us, in their opinion, 0:23:33.720 --> 0:23:39.040 have a physical molecular vibration and a spiritual molecular vibration, 0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.080 but that they learn how to meld the two together 0:23:42.200 --> 0:23:46.240 and become suddenly exceedingly powerful and to channel it from 0:23:46.240 --> 0:23:49.359 more powerful thing beings in themselves right and with the 0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.320 key and right yes, uh, because you have to invoke 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.800 a deity to carry out one of their rituals. Do 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.760 you want to talk about the Great Right, Chuck, that's 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:01.600