1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you Should Know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: from house stuff Works dot Com? Hey, Chuck Joshers, you 4 00:00:17,360 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: were about to be in Guatemala, buddy, correction, dude, we 5 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: are in Guatemala as this is playing. Wow, pretty cool. Huh. 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: It's the magic of technology. So tell them what we're 7 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: plugging here. Well, we're gonna be down in Guatemala finding 8 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: out whether education can actually alleviate poverty or not. Right yep. Uh. 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: And while we're down there, we're going to be blogging 10 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: the whole time. Hopefully as we speak there will be 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: blog posts. Uh. And if we don't have internet access, 12 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: it'll be up next week. Yeah. The internet in Guatemala 13 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: mayor it may not be spotty. We haven't figured it 14 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: out yet, but if not, they'll be out the following week, 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: right indeed. Okay, Well you can check those out at 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: the blogs at house stuff works dot com. Chuck and 17 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 1: I share a blog called stuff you Should Know appropriately enough? Right, Yes, 18 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: that's that. Right, on with the show with the podcast. Hey, 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me 20 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 1: as always as Charles W. Chuck Bryant and Chuck. Yes, 21 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna paint a scene for you. Literally that might 22 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: take a while. And that was my words. What's that 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: canvas and easil doing it here? Thing? This is just 24 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: to help me think. Okay, let's here. I'm just gonna 25 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: trust stick figures right here, so don't expect too much. 26 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: Imagine right that you are tied to a pole. Okay, 27 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: you're far so good. You're bound with your hands behind 28 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 1: your back, less good, and your ankles are also bound 29 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 1: to said pole, which looking up right erect and um, 30 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: you notice that there are there's an awful lot of 31 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: really dry firewood scattered around you around this pole. That's 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: not good. It's really not good. Even uh less good? 33 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: Is uh? You figuring out that there's some guy, probably 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: some sort of priest or official, maybe an executioner, coming 35 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,120 Speaker 1: towards you with a torch. Other people there there are 36 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: tons of people, all of your neighbors, people in your 37 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 1: very small community who you've known your whole life. My 38 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,280 Speaker 1: neighbors would be saying that guy, well, this is in 39 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: a different time. Okay, So well, let's say that you 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: know all of your neighbors and work with them in 41 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: trade with them, and maybe it helped raise their children, 42 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: right right, healed them when they were sick using herbs 43 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: and and maybe incantations. There were better times in the past. 44 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: Right now, everyone in your town is pointing at you 45 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: and laughing at you, and yelling and and calling you 46 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: horrible names and accusing you of doing horrible things like 47 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: um stealing babies and sucking their blood and yeah, just 48 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: doing all sorts of terrible stuff. Right and in front 49 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: of you are your daughters. You have a couple of daughters, 50 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: and they're being forced to watch this man who's approaching 51 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: you with the torch. But not only that, they're being 52 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: whipped in front of you. So you're about to die 53 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: in one of the most horrible ways of human being 54 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: can die, right while you're watching your daughter's being whipped 55 00:03:20,160 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 1: and the entire town pointing at you, calling you horrible 56 00:03:24,320 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: names and just basically lacking any level of humanity whatsoever. 57 00:03:29,480 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: That's pretty I'm not done yet, really. The guy finally 58 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: makes it over and took his sweet ass time. Then 59 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: he finally makes it over with the torch and lights 60 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: the kindling, and all of a sudden, you got the 61 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: hot foot, right the flames start to climb and climb. 62 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: You're having trouble breathing. You're extremely hot, your clothes are 63 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: catching on fire, your your skin is blistering. The pain 64 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: is about as intense as it can possibly be from 65 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: what I understand, Burning to death in this manner can 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 1: take a matter of ours. Wow. Yeah, until I die, yes, 67 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 1: or until I guess you're completely burned up. Josh, that's awful. 68 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 1: It is pretty awful. I can't imagine a worse way 69 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: to die. No, I can't either, Chuck. But do you 70 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,600 Speaker 1: want to know something This actually happened to hundreds of 71 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 1: thousands of people during the Middle Ages in Europe and 72 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: later on in the United States. We are talking about witches. 73 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 1: We are talking about which is perhaps the craft one 74 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: of the most misunderstood or revile groups of all time 75 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: in history. Never think about that. No, you probably would 76 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: have said gypsies. Yeah, but no, which is okay, that's 77 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: my two cents. Yeah, I would agree with that, especially 78 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: after reading this article. Yeah, and hearing that story, which 79 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: is got the the bad end of the stick. Yeah, 80 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: I would agree with that. So where do we go 81 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: from here? Josh? To the beginning? Sure? Do we don't 82 00:04:56,520 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: actually know the very beginning, right, because witchcraft and has 83 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 1: been around since like they were pre humans. Right, sure, yeah, 84 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean you can make you can make the case 85 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: that all pre Christian religions, with the exception of Judaism, 86 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: war um, witchcraft basically yeah, because the article pointed out 87 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,559 Speaker 1: here that witchcraft, like when times were rosy, everything was great, 88 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,159 Speaker 1: but then when plague hit and famine and disease, then 89 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: that's when people said, oh, you know, maybe we should 90 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: get this shaman to cook up a little potion or 91 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: say a spell to the gods and maybe things will 92 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: turn in our favor. And if they didn't turn in 93 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: their favor, then the shaman or the witch or the 94 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: folk deal or whatever usually found the entire town against 95 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: him or her right and perhaps even burned at the stake. 96 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: But this was before before a certain period. Witchcraft is 97 00:05:53,080 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: basically just like whatever. It was normal, commonplace, everyday stuff, 98 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: and there wasn't necessarily anything like evil associated with it 99 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: like we do today. It was magic right with a K. 100 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: Explain Yes, M A G I C K is to differentiate. 101 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: That is a common accepted spelling by modern witches to 102 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:21,840 Speaker 1: differentiate between like let's say, um real witchcraft, David Copperfield 103 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 1: that kind of magic, or an illusionist or John c 104 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: Riley as the illusionist at the end of Boogie Nights. 105 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: Remember he became a magician at the end. No, I 106 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: totally forgot that. Yeah, yeah, that's what he became after 107 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: his porn career. I forgot about that anyway, that kind 108 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: of magician or the other kind of magic, which is 109 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: there's both black and white magic, and they're they're not 110 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: necessarily mutually exclusive as the good and evil as we learned. No, 111 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,919 Speaker 1: at some point though, the tide very much turned, and 112 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: there's actually there's some I should say, uh it turned 113 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 1: at one point, but there were several things that led 114 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: up to the turning of the tide, against which is 115 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: saying saying Augustine had something to do with this. Well, actually, um, 116 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: is it Augustine? Yeah, okay, I know we always say 117 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 1: Augustine and uh you doubt his uh existence at times. 118 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:21,239 Speaker 1: We've gotten some email on that, yeah, um round about uh. 119 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: Augustine argued that only God could suspend the normal laws 120 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: of the universe. Therefore there couldn't possibly any such beasts, 121 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: any such thing as what which is claimed to be 122 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 1: able to do right right, So basically they may as 123 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: well have just been engaged in tooth fairy studies or 124 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 1: something like that. They were totally harmless, possibly wacko, but 125 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: to the Christian Church they had nothing to do with anything, sure, right, okay, 126 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: and that that view was held for a good eight 127 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 1: hundred years, so it's popular. Yeah, So which is where 128 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: they went along? Their mary Wade did their own thing. 129 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: Christianity went along. It's mary Wade at its own thing, 130 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: and um, no real problems right until a d twelve 131 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: oh eight and a pope name Innocent. The third went 132 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: to war with the Cathers. You heard of these guys, No, 133 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 1: but I've heard of the innocent, have you? Yeah? And 134 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: the third had nothing on junior Just let me say that. 135 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: Who the second? Yeah, innocent too, No, no, no, we 136 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: don't need to get into that ahead anyway. Innocent, the 137 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: third not junior? Innocent the third? Did they use junior 138 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: to denote popes? Okay um? Innocent? The third declared war 139 00:08:35,880 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: and the Cathers. The Cathers were this kind of um 140 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 1: Christian sect who lived in France, I think northern France 141 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: and long doc okay okay um. And they were very 142 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: much convinced that on Earth and throughout the universe, there 143 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 1: was a very real war going on between God and 144 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: the devil, good and evil, right and dark night and 145 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: day right, and there was very clear division and there 146 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: was a power struggle going on. The Cather's also clearly 147 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: um believed that the Roman Church, the Roman Catholic Church, 148 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:19,320 Speaker 1: was actually the Church of Satan. Okay, yeah, yeah, and 149 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: they were very much opposed to the Roman Church. The 150 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 1: Roman Church had more power. Led by Innocent the Third said, 151 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: you know what, Cather's, we decided that you guys worshiped 152 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: the devil. And not only that, we're going to create 153 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 1: propaganda that shows that our wood carving showing your people 154 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: kissing the anus of the devil in person, because you 155 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: guys are devil worshipers. Take that. Wow, that was not 156 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: a good day. The Cather's were persecuted, they were yeah, yeah, 157 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:49,480 Speaker 1: and to this day they're called the cather heretics. I'm 158 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: sure they could have gotten by with like kissing the 159 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: hand of the devil or something. I saw a wood 160 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: It's like the devil with the clovenhusts and he's bent over, 161 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 1: like kiss my ass, kiss my devil butt. Actually can 162 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:06,160 Speaker 1: I go on. Yet, well, it doesn't get better for witches. 163 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: So now we have people who oppose the church worship Satan. 164 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: That division has just been created. Okay um. And the 165 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: whole reason the pope went after the Cather's the idea 166 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: that there was a war between good and evil going 167 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 1: on was actually like, eighty years later adopted by St. 168 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: Thomas Aquinas for him, and he's like, Okay, there is 169 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: such a thing as demons, and they're here on earth, 170 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: and not only are they involved in pleasuring themselves, they 171 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 1: really really like to lead human beings astray from God. 172 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: So this is going on. There is real evil, it's 173 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: really tangible, and it's all around us all the time. 174 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: We have to protect ourselves as Christians. We have to 175 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: be suspicious of other people who aren't Christians because they're 176 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: probably being led astray by these demons. Now we start 177 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: to have everyday people who can possibly be in league 178 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: with the devil because it's all around us. Right, And 179 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: this when this was first taking root, right, this is 180 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: the real start of it. But everything's been leading up 181 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 1: to this boy right, and then finally Chuck in fourteen 182 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 1: eighty four, we have the real seed of how we 183 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: view which is and the which scare which led to 184 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 1: the witch executions and persecution. Um. Fortunately for a pair 185 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:25,719 Speaker 1: of German friars took two years to write the Malleus Maleficarum. Okay, right, 186 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: it's a basically a witch finding handbook. This is how 187 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: we get out, how to seek them out, how to 188 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: try them, how to execute them. Basically, these two German friars, Um, 189 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: remember the vow of abstinence. We're not very happy with women. 190 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: And they basically made all this stuff up. Most whitches 191 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: were women, um to tell which anyone who was suspected 192 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,680 Speaker 1: of it, any woman who was suspected of it should 193 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: be stripped down and search for moles. Right. And then 194 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 1: um also which is like to steal penises from men, 195 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: collect them, keep them in a box where they would 196 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: move by themselves, and eat oats and corn. Pretty awful idea, right. 197 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: And um also like which is when you're trying a witch, 198 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 1: you have to lead her in backwards so she doesn't 199 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 1: have a chance to cast spells on everybody when she's 200 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 1: killing in the room. Makes sense? Just stupid stupid like that? Right, 201 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: that's probably gonna get bleaped out, Okay, And that led 202 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: to the witch scare of the witch persecution and the 203 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 1: witch executions that we know and love today. Hundreds of 204 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: thousands of people, chuck, hundreds of thousands of people were 205 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: killed because these two German friars wrote this book and 206 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: just made it up. I feel like we could stop there. 207 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 1: I have more. I'll try to interject it later. So, Josh, 208 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: should we talk about one of the most famous of 209 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: those persecutions. Yes, not single persecution, a set of persecutions 210 00:12:53,920 --> 00:12:58,679 Speaker 1: in in Salem, Massachusetts. Of course you've read The Crucible. 211 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: You know we're talking about Salem witch trials. Yeah. Should 212 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: we go over that real quick? I think we should. 213 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 1: This all started because a couple of precocious teenage girls 214 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: may or may not had have had clinical hysteria or 215 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: been bored or been bored, maybe epilepsy, you never know. 216 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 1: The point is they were having convulsions and screaming like 217 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: as if they were possessing. They were being pinched and poked. 218 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,880 Speaker 1: Is that what it was? Yeah, by an unseen force, 219 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 1: bitten and pinched, not poked by an unseen force. They 220 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: were they were poked by the witch examiners, I'm sure, 221 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,200 Speaker 1: okay uh, and the doctor actually the witch examiner said, 222 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: you know, they are clearly bewitched, right, and how because 223 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: that stupid book. The stupid book, Yes, he probably had 224 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,040 Speaker 1: that in his little doctor physician. He wasn't even a 225 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: witch examiner. The guy was the village physician. He was, 226 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 1: and he was like, I can't come up with any explanation. 227 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,360 Speaker 1: So they're clearly bewitched, right. And so this led to 228 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:56,560 Speaker 1: the one by one these ladies in Salem, Massachusetts. And 229 00:13:56,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: this was clearly before their big liberal influx of liberals 230 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: in Massachusetts. Those days are over. Well yeah, true recently 231 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: and uh, these women became you know, persecuted and accused 232 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 1: of being witches. And a couple of men too, but yeah, 233 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:15,199 Speaker 1: mostly women, women who lived on their own um, which 234 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: was a crime supposedly in um Salem. You know who 235 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:24,360 Speaker 1: didn't help the servant? Was that her name? Yeah, this 236 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: was a West Indian servant of one of the girls. 237 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: And she really cemented the whole deal when she said 238 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 1: that she admitted in court to dealing with the devil 239 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: and flying on sticks and uh said, quote unquote they 240 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: made her hurt those girls. Yeah, she didn't help things. 241 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: So that really sent it into high gear and what 242 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:47,080 Speaker 1: like people were were killed right, put to death. Yeah, 243 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: one guy, um Giles, I can't remember his last name. 244 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: He was pressed to death with a heavy stone. He 245 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 1: was like an old man, an elderly man, and they 246 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: put they laid him on a big stone and put 247 00:14:57,520 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: an even bigger stone on top of his chest and 248 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: the life was pressed out of him. Wow, I've never 249 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: heard of that. I believe he was. He was tortured 250 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: to death like that because he would not confess to 251 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: being a witch. I wonder what they called that was 252 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: that called pressing goodness? Me, that's creative. Uh. And that 253 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 1: was um. That went on for a little while under 254 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: the rule of the General Court, and then that court 255 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: was usurped by the Court of the Judicature and they 256 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 1: basically reversed stance, and not very many witches after that 257 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: took place were persecuted. Right. They basically said, okay, the 258 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: over just pretend it's never happened. That's literally what happened. 259 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: And that was it. No more witchery, Yes, I said. 260 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: Only three more people after that were found guilty of 261 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: witchcraft and they were even pardoned. Yeah. Later on, and 262 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 1: they still don't know what was up with these two 263 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 1: girls like they said they could have been well, you know, 264 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: precocious little girls looking for attention, and they could have 265 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, had some mass or not mass hysteria, but 266 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: clinical hysteria. I wrote an article for the site UM 267 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: about this study this woman conducted, I think in the seventies, 268 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 1: and she proposed that they were actually all poisoned um 269 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: by or God, which is a hallucinogen the canons, and 270 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: that everybody got it from eating rotten grain and um 271 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 1: was basically tripping. Well, that was one of the theories 272 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:21,720 Speaker 1: of the Enlightenment at one point. It's a bad trip? 273 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: Was there a lot of the Enlightenment was because of 274 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: bad bread? Yeah, basically people were hallucinating and coming up 275 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: with all these amazing inventions. That's awesome. Yeah. I don't 276 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: know if that's true though. So where are we, Josh? Well, 277 00:16:34,640 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: we could start to talk about the modern era. Okay, Well, 278 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: pagan religion. Well do you want to talk about the 279 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: different kinds of witchery around the world. Yeah, I've got 280 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:48,120 Speaker 1: a couple of Like the highlight I want to hear it, Chuck. Okay, Josh, 281 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: you know I was going to pick this one. Appalachian 282 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: folk magic so cool, can't you see now now putting 283 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: like a hex on somebody. That was the worst movie ever. 284 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 1: Appleachi folk magic Josh is you know, clearly around this 285 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: area of the southeast, and they have a very much 286 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: Christian based idea of it of a Christian God and 287 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: a devil as the good and evil like you were 288 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: talking about. And they are can use their magic with 289 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: a K for good or evil, and they look to 290 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,119 Speaker 1: nature for omens and like to portent the future and 291 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,399 Speaker 1: their local men. Yeah, I know, we could probably go 292 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: up in North Georgia and round up a couple of 293 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 1: these that would be pretty boss. Actually, yeah, yeah, I'd 294 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: like to go do that. What's yours? Give me something? 295 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 1: One of my favorites, is it? This is the coolest name. 296 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 1: Pennsylvania Dutch hex craft a k A pow wow yeah um. 297 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:45,120 Speaker 1: And it is from the well Pennsylvania Dutch area of Pennsylvania. 298 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:50,880 Speaker 1: German UH and Dutch settlers including the Amish UM but 299 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: also including people who are Reformists like Lutheran's Right Protestants 300 00:17:56,440 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 1: UM believe in this stuff where you can create eight 301 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 1: good will blessings things like that, usually for the home 302 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:11,919 Speaker 1: UM by creating symbols hexes which UM apparently when they 303 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:13,919 Speaker 1: were when they first arrived and they were talking to 304 00:18:13,960 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: the English, they were saying sex is sex, but the 305 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: English herd hex and that's why it's called hex craft. 306 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: It's not the least bit um dark like. Right. You 307 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: know that you know that pineapple welcome flag that people 308 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: like hang outside of their house, that's a Pennsylvania Dutch hecks. Yeah, 309 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: um bless this home, that's a Pennsylvania Dutch hecks. The 310 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: two partridges with a heart, Pennsylvania Dutch hecks. What about 311 00:18:42,920 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: the nice stuff? You know, it's real pleasant witchcraft. What 312 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: about don't tread on me? The rattlesnake? It's a little different, 313 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: and that's not the same thing. No uh. And of 314 00:18:53,040 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: course we gotta talk about Wicka. That's probably where we're 315 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: going to spend most of our time here, because Wicka 316 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 1: is the most widely even though it's the youngest, well 317 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,400 Speaker 1: no, no no about youngest, but only what like sixty years old? 318 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: Yeah about, but it's still what the probably the most 319 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:09,439 Speaker 1: widely accepted form of modern witchcraft. Right, and it's a 320 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: form of paganism. Right, let's talk about paganism because that 321 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: that gets a bad rap. It says um a pagan 322 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: is also often interchangeably called a heathen, and basically it's 323 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 1: a pagan can mean either like someone who doesn't subscribe 324 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: to the Big Three Christianity, Judaism, or Islam, so any 325 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: other religion, including like major established religions like Buddhism, Hinduism, 326 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,439 Speaker 1: that kind of thing technically, or it can be it 327 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: can denote a religion that existed prior to Christianity, Judaism, Islam, 328 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: that kind of thing. And actually the other characteristic of 329 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: it um is that it's it's usually polytheistic, more than 330 00:19:55,400 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: one god exactly. That that is the characteristic, right, Yeah, 331 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: sort of like the rectangle square thing. Huh, Well, if 332 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,200 Speaker 1: if it's if if you have multiple deities, you're definitely pagan. 333 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:09,240 Speaker 1: But if not, does it, I mean necessarily aren't a pagan? 334 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 1: That makes sense? I just blew your mind, isn't it. So? 335 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: Pagan actually means country person though, and and Latin. It's 336 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,159 Speaker 1: sort of the easiest way to put it, sort of 337 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: like just a redneck kind of you know, home and 338 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: hearth I think, or hearth dweller is the Latin the 339 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: Latin translation. Yeah, but they weren't city people and they 340 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: were looked down upon, but it wasn't. They weren't necessarily 341 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: bad or anything, right, they're just kind of like you said, rednecks, pumpkins, Appalachian. 342 00:20:36,560 --> 00:20:39,040 Speaker 1: And it was later on is when they became associated 343 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: with Satan, right, And we've seen why, or we've seen how. 344 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,680 Speaker 1: I'll get to why later on, because that'll blow your 345 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 1: mind too, dude, Okay, okay, but yeah, right now, as 346 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,880 Speaker 1: far as we know, there's pretty much only one form 347 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 1: of witchcraft practiced in the world, seriously practiced in the world, um, 348 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: and that is Wicka. And like you said, Chuck, it's 349 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: only a sixty years old, and it was created by 350 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:07,560 Speaker 1: a guy named Gordon Gardner, right, Gerald, Gerald Gardener. His 351 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: brother Gordon actually was working on a different religion and 352 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: it didn't pan out. It didn't. It's kind of petered out, 353 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: so Gordo fell by the wayside and Gerald took over. 354 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: None of that is true, by the way, because people 355 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 1: are Wickers are gonna rrite and say, I've never heard 356 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: of Gordon. What was his religion? We should make up 357 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: a pamphlet, of course, you actually no, Chuck. That's I'm 358 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: glad you did that though, because that's a great segue. Um. 359 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: There's some real misunderstandings of Wicka and wickens Um. First 360 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: and foremost is that they're devil worshipers. Not true, No, 361 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: it's not true. As a matter of fact, the Wicka 362 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 1: don't even believe that there is a devil. They don't 363 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 1: believe in the Christian concepts of the devil or hell yeah, exactly, so, 364 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,840 Speaker 1: how could you worship the devil if you don't even 365 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,760 Speaker 1: believe in exactly Josh, that's a that's a big one, 366 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: right there. What's another misconception, Chuck? Well, he Gardner actually 367 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: founded it as a life affirming religion that does include 368 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: psychic abilities and magic. But the Wiccan takes an oath 369 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: or is it a Wickan I guess yeah, it takes 370 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: an oath to not do harm. It's like it's only 371 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: for self improvement. It's almost like, well, it's not like 372 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: self help, but it's only meant to uh, to be 373 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: performed on yourself and there right, yeah, and technically there 374 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:26,880 Speaker 1: there is an implied understanding that you could harm other 375 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: people with the power that you come to harness through 376 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: the Wickan rituals. But they they, like you said, they 377 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: take an oath not to harm other people and there's 378 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: also a Wicken belief that if you do harm other people, 379 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: what is it, the rule of three? If you harm 380 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: other people another person, the damage you've inflicted will come 381 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: back on you threefold. So there's kind of that um prohibition. 382 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,360 Speaker 1: Should we talk about. I think this is really cool, 383 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: the life force, cosmic energy. Bet, it is cool. And 384 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: this is pretty much the crux of their whole thing. Yeah, 385 00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: the crux of the whole thing is that Wickens believe, well, 386 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 1: the scientific concepts we all believe is that all matter 387 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: vibrates with its own energy. Wickens believe. You don't believe that. 388 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: I don't believe. Wickens believe that a witch's body has 389 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 1: that same vibration, both physical and spiritual rate of vibration, 390 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: and during these rituals they perform, they vibrate such that 391 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: they can create a pathway for energy to flow through 392 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,200 Speaker 1: them and call on energy from the gods and deities, right, 393 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: rather than I think all of us, in their opinion, 394 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 1: have a physical molecular vibration and a spiritual molecular vibration, 395 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: but that they learn how to meld the two together 396 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: and become suddenly exceedingly powerful and to channel it from 397 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: more powerful thing beings in themselves right and with the 398 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: key and right yes, uh, because you have to invoke 399 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: a deity to carry out one of their rituals. Do 400 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: you want to talk about the Great Right, Chuck, that's 401 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the best one. I think so too. And there's a 402 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: there's a sentence in the description of the Great Right 403 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 1: that I just thought was so cute. Yes, Josh, the 404 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: Great Right is uh one of the main central ceremonies. 405 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: And there's tons and tons of them. Well, they're all 406 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: different and there's all different kinds of ways that you 407 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: can do them, but we're gonna go over just basically 408 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:24,919 Speaker 1: a generic Great Right ceremony. That's our disclaimer. And we 409 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: should say that there are three levels to Wika, and 410 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: each level is learned in a year and a day. 411 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,919 Speaker 1: Starts out as I think, student teacher and high no, 412 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:39,159 Speaker 1: student practitioner and teacher. So you've got which priestess and 413 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: then high priestess or priest Yes, And once you've completed 414 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: all those phases, Josh, you are official and you have 415 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 1: the power to perform these rituals. So the Great Right 416 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: ritual is actually carried out by the coven. And we 417 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,360 Speaker 1: should also say wicker can um performed by themselves. They 418 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: can do rituals on their own, but they also have 419 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: Covin's right COVID. If you're a fan of American movie, 420 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: Um matt Our guests producer clearly as he's laughing. Remember 421 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:12,119 Speaker 1: American Movie. Do you see that in the documentary about Oh? 422 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: Really it's good. You should definitely see American movie. He 423 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 1: makes a short film, this crazy filmmaker guy in Wisconsin, 424 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 1: and he calls it COVID instead of ConA. But he 425 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: thinks he's right funny. Then you're going to see this thing. 426 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:30,679 Speaker 1: Oh it's great. Shall I continue? Yes? So they can 427 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:32,840 Speaker 1: be into COVID or they can be uh, but let's 428 00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 1: say they're in COVID solitary. Sure. Right. For our purposes, 429 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: we're gonna describe a COVID ritual, coven ritual. Now you 430 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:44,119 Speaker 1: have me screech. So you have the high Priest and 431 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 1: the high Priestess of the coven right, yes, and you 432 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: have the what they're the great right ritual is to 433 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: um signify the coming together of Um, the high Priest 434 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: and the High Priestess, the God and the goddess. And 435 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: when you to come together you mean sexually. Yes. Now 436 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 1: this can be done either symbolically using a f M. Yeah, 437 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: sort of like a dull knife. Yeah, it's like a 438 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: pretty wicked looking ceremonial knife. No, and that's that represents 439 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: the fallus and the cau the cauldron represents the womb. 440 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: So the High priest might be like, oh, here comes 441 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,960 Speaker 1: the athom and then like the High Priestess is like, 442 00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,239 Speaker 1: I got the cauldron right here and then boop, you know, 443 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: and then the that's the main part of the ritual. Right, 444 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: I got one word for that, right, uh. And so 445 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: a coven may opt to actually have the High Priest 446 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,399 Speaker 1: and the High Priestess engage in the sexual act to 447 00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 1: really really just kind of I guess the ritual going. Yeah, 448 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: now here's the really cute sentence that I thought came 449 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: up in this article. Leanne Oberinger, who wrote it, points 450 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: out that often the High Priest and the High Priestess 451 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: are married, very cute, and they actually do not perform 452 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: the whole COVID has to agree to the literal interpretation 453 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 1: where the sexual act is performed and they have to 454 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 1: all be in agreement, and it does not actually take 455 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: place like Caligula style in front of everyone. Now, they 456 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: do do that in private. That's another That's another um 457 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: misconception is that they have orgies and things like that. 458 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,600 Speaker 1: They do. They do have the sexual act once in 459 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 1: a while, Um, like say four the Great Right. But 460 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: again Covin's apparently from this article, I've come to learn 461 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 1: that covens are fairly democratic and everyone has to be 462 00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,680 Speaker 1: in agreement that they're either going to do it symbolically 463 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: or they're going to do it literally. Um. Same with 464 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: the sky clad right, Yeah, which I've never heard of 465 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 1: that that means naked. Yeah, that's what Wickens called being 466 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: naked Skyla sky class. I'm gonna use that at home 467 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: next time. Yeah, I'm just sky clad, babe, I'm going 468 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: sky clad. But again, you can perform a ritual skyclad, 469 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,200 Speaker 1: or you can do it clothed in robes. And again 470 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: that's up to the coven as a whole whether they 471 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 1: do that. Um, Chuck, Josh. What's the point of the 472 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: Great Ritual, the Great Right Ritual? Well, it can bring 473 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,280 Speaker 1: good harvest, that's one reason they'll do that, and to 474 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: continue the circle of life so that a new God 475 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: can be born at Yule and Yule y u l e. 476 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 1: We found out is the the first day of the 477 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,440 Speaker 1: wicked year is uh Sabbat or holy day called Yule? 478 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,120 Speaker 1: Is that right? Yeah? And that sounds kind of familiar, 479 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: doesn't it, the Yule log it does, Josh, that's funny 480 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: that something from Christmas would have to do with a 481 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: pagan tradition. Interesting. Um, So you'll is one of the 482 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 1: uh is it Sabbat or Sabbat. I'm gonna say Sabbat. 483 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Sabbat and you say covid, I'll 484 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: say covin. Okay. Um. That way we get our got 485 00:28:58,160 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: our basis cover and no one can write in. So 486 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,560 Speaker 1: we said it wrong, right exactly? We should do that 487 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: for everything. I agree. Okay. So Sabbath Sabbath is one 488 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: of the holy days uh, and the wicka wickens um 489 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 1: observe eight throughout the year. Like Chuck said, Yule is 490 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 1: the celebration of the winter solstice, and it's them the 491 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 1: time when the goddess gives birth to the new God. 492 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: So the great right hastens the Yule birth right? Correct? 493 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: After that, you have in bulk i am Bolc, which 494 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: is celebrated on February second, right, Yeah, and that's when 495 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: the spring crops are planted. Yeah, like with most of 496 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,360 Speaker 1: these things that we've heard they uh not even wickan, 497 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,479 Speaker 1: but there U rights to the gods. Usually he has 498 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: to do with like harvest and growing things, and and 499 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: that's what most religious holidays that we had we still 500 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 1: observe today. That's where they find the roots. It's all. 501 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: It was all um agrarian. That's what I was trying 502 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: to say. You just said it a lot smarter than me. 503 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: Though there saw one right which m had something to 504 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: do with how loween? What was the deal there? Actually, 505 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 1: the Wickul believe that on this night, the the the 506 00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: gauze between life and death is virtually removed, and the 507 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: dead can communicate with the living. But here's what I 508 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:18,200 Speaker 1: find very cool. The dead's not like go get me 509 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: some cigarettes or anything like that. It's a time of 510 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,520 Speaker 1: celebrating with your your dead family members, having a feasting 511 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,120 Speaker 1: with them, having um basically just hanging out with the 512 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: people who in your life who died. So much of 513 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: this gets you know, you think it's some dark satanic ritual. 514 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: Has nothing to do with any of that. No, it doesn't. 515 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 1: Not to say I'm gonna run out and become a 516 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: Wiccan or anything. Back in high school, my friends Stevie 517 00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: Cohen and I started looking into it and that when 518 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,160 Speaker 1: the ninja thing didn't work out. This is after I 519 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: was like, wait, how many rocks do we have to 520 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: paint different colors? And we have to arrange them? And 521 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 1: what this really really involved? Stuff Like there's a this 522 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: article that Obringer wrote, um is pretty detailed. We've only 523 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: kind of hit the surface of it. Um. But there's 524 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,560 Speaker 1: even more detail to it than this. Greatly, there's a lot. 525 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,160 Speaker 1: It's a really detailed religion. Yeah, and they have a 526 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: book you know, what's what's that called the Book of Shadows, Yeah, 527 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: which I gotta say doesn't really help their case to 528 00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:21,600 Speaker 1: you know, people who don't understand what they do. They 529 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,640 Speaker 1: could call it, you know, the Little Wicken Handbook and 530 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: would probably be like a sweeter, the Book of Green 531 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 1: Fairies or the Book of Unicorns. Why not? Well, but 532 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: the Book of Shadows is uh, the witches guide book, 533 00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: and it is COVID specific, so your own covin would 534 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 1: would write like the spells and the hexes and the 535 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: rules and the regulations, what you gotta wear, what time 536 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,360 Speaker 1: you gotta show up, whether you're gonna go skyclad? Whether 537 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna go skyclad, who has to bring the sticky 538 00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: buns in the coffee to the meanings? You guys to 539 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: clean the cauldron, that kind of thing. Uh, cauldron is 540 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:55,840 Speaker 1: a real thing. We should talk about just a few 541 00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: of these um implements, I guess, and whether or not 542 00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: they really use them. Lie the broom, yes, did they 543 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: fly around on it? Why not? Because which is can't fly? 544 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: They do use them to purify the circle where the 545 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: rituals take place. They cast a circle and they have 546 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: to um purify the area first. Sure they're using the 547 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: broom to literally sweep out that. I don't know if 548 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,320 Speaker 1: literally was the right word. They used the broom to 549 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 1: sweep out the energy in the area. Uh. They may 550 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: also use sage or if they want to go from 551 00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: the double way amy, they might use a broom that 552 00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: features sage woven into it. Right, And you just said 553 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: casting a circle. That's a big part of most Wiccan ceremonies, 554 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,239 Speaker 1: and they will cast a circle is very important at 555 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: the beginning with the north, south, east, western points and 556 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 1: at the end of every ceremony they will close that 557 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: circle kind of by reversing what they did when they 558 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,560 Speaker 1: opened it. Or when they cast it, and the points 559 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: represent um, the elements earth, water, fire, and air. Right, Yeah, 560 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: let's talk about the pentagram because you probably think it's 561 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: like the symbol of the devil, right, I don't, Okay, So, Josh, 562 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: let's talk about the pentagram. Okay. Often seeing on you 563 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: know Satanic singer band album covers Judas Priest, Yeah, exactly, 564 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: because you know they worship the devil, right as far 565 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:25,000 Speaker 1: as the courts and the eighties were concerned. Yeah, Turbo 566 00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: Lover clearly is a song about Satan. Dude, Judas Priest 567 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,120 Speaker 1: was bitch and yeah they were awesome. Yeah, still are. 568 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: Uh So the pentacle, Josh, is a five pointed star 569 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: enclosed within a circle, right, And the five pointed star 570 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 1: is called the pentagram, But when you put the circle 571 00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: around it, that's the pinacle, right, yes, And so if 572 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: it's upright, which is the one point up, two points down, 573 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: it is a symbol of witchcraft and represents earth, fire, water, air, 574 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,960 Speaker 1: and spirit. And the circle represents the gods and goddesses 575 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,719 Speaker 1: that allow the energy to be focused on the pentagram, right, 576 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 1: and the circle brings all these things together into a 577 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: cohesive unit. Yeah. So that's like on the cover of 578 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:09,760 Speaker 1: Rusha's upright. If you flip it upside down, that's when 579 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,600 Speaker 1: I think Satan comes into play, because it's like the 580 00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,320 Speaker 1: goats head or something, isn't that right? Yeah, But even 581 00:34:14,360 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 1: that's just propaganda. That's what I thought from the that 582 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: used against the Knights Templar geez. So you know we've 583 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: mentioned they use caldrons, and they do have certain knives, 584 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,360 Speaker 1: but they're never used to like blood let or anything 585 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: like that. They use that one dull knife to like 586 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:34,120 Speaker 1: draw shapes in the sand and things like that, or 587 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:39,680 Speaker 1: to represent the phallus. Yes, and they have wands. They 588 00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: use wands. The wand represents fire and the life force 589 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: of the witch, and it is a symbol of wisdom 590 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: and healing. They can also use a staff, usually about 591 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: shoulder high. Yeah. I guess that's probably like the mega 592 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: wand or something. You know, the I wand is that it? 593 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: You got anything else? I you have something else. I 594 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: was doing a little additional research and I came across 595 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: a book review of um a book called Caliban and 596 00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 1: the Witch by author Sylvia Federici. Basically, she chronicles what 597 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: happened to witchcraft to which is um Why this is 598 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480 Speaker 1: why hundreds of thousands of people were killed. And basically 599 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: she says that it was um part of a larger 600 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: grab for power of the ruling classes from I believe 601 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:37,359 Speaker 1: the fifteen to the eighteen or seventeenth century. All right, 602 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,520 Speaker 1: so it was rooted in money. Well, yeah, she makes 603 00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: the point that um or she she yeah, she believes that. 604 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 1: First of all, Um, women had much more power. Even 605 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,840 Speaker 1: though it was still a patriarchy prior to this, women 606 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:54,480 Speaker 1: still had much more power socially they UM, they had 607 00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: They were basically unionized, They did a lot of the work, 608 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,960 Speaker 1: and without them and their reproductive abilities, things would get 609 00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: all screwed up. So basically to show women who is who, 610 00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 1: the church and state, which were virtually indistinguishable at the time, 611 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: UM said you know what we're going you're a witch. 612 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna kill you. And they did it in that 613 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: way that we described at the beginning, with the whole 614 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: town watching, as much to punish the witch, um as 615 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,960 Speaker 1: to send a message to everybody else, like you don't 616 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: go against the male patriarchy. You don't go against the patriarchy, 617 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: or else we will literally burn you to death at 618 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: the stake and whip your daughter in front of you 619 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: while this is going on, and they did it over 620 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: and over again. And from this brutality they basically, um, 621 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,160 Speaker 1: we're able to consolidate their power. They also simultaneously we're 622 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: exploring the world and subjugating other people. But at home, Um, 623 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: in the Middle Ages, no medieval times, I'm sorry, serves, 624 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: each had their own plot of land. They could do 625 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,279 Speaker 1: whatever they wanted, so even if they worked for somebody else, 626 00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: they still had a certain sense of a certain measure 627 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 1: self sufficiency. This stuff was taken away to wage labor 628 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,560 Speaker 1: was created, and you have the roots of capitalism and 629 00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: basically what Federici calls the housewiving of women going on 630 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: at the same time. So are are the division between 631 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,640 Speaker 1: men and women that we still have today, and the 632 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,759 Speaker 1: roots of capitalism find their their place back at this 633 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,439 Speaker 1: time in the Middle Ages. Right. And then one more 634 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: thing too, I thought this was awesome. She compares the 635 00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 1: which scare to uh, the terrorism scare that we're under today, 636 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: basically saying, like, you know, people a lot of times 637 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: think that, um, that the witch scare was just carried 638 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: out by ignorant hicks. Not true. It may have been 639 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: carried up by ignorant hicks, but it was very much 640 00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,480 Speaker 1: encouraged and supported by the ruling class, which was the 641 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,920 Speaker 1: church in the state. Right, So there were witches everywhere 642 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: which kept people afraid and occupied and kept what you 643 00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,480 Speaker 1: were able to keep them down through this. They were 644 00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: too busy chasing shadows and killing innocent people. Same things 645 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: going on with terrorism. It's not a perfect analogy, because 646 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: there really are terrorists in the world, but the the 647 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 1: amount that it's, the proportion that it's grown too is 648 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,279 Speaker 1: uh is similar. Wow, good stuff, Thanks, And that's a 649 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,920 Speaker 1: new book. I guess I think it's the review I 650 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,839 Speaker 1: read was from early November. Yeah, anything else, John, that's 651 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: it man, Good stuff, Chuck, Josh. Like I said, we 652 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: just kind of glanced the surface. I think there's so 653 00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 1: many more rituals and so many kinds of covids and 654 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,560 Speaker 1: witches and potions and hexes. And we've spent hours talking 655 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,080 Speaker 1: about that. I think we have. You can type witchcraft 656 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: in the handy search bar at how stuff works dot 657 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:51,919 Speaker 1: com to get a lot more information on that. And uh, now, 658 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: I guess then it's time for listener mail. And I 659 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: call this Ninja Tina jeers Hi, Chuck and Josh. Basically, 660 00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: let me set this up because it's kind of long. 661 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: This kid grew up in southern California, Aren't sorry, in 662 00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,680 Speaker 1: the suburbs of California, and he AND's in the eighties 663 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,360 Speaker 1: like we did. He and his buddies were really into ninja's, 664 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,759 Speaker 1: so they decided to do what you did and train 665 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,879 Speaker 1: is a ninja in the suburbs of whatever. I guess 666 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,560 Speaker 1: you were in Ohio at the time. And so they 667 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,120 Speaker 1: had a house next door that was just randomly occupied, 668 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,759 Speaker 1: like people would be there and then they wouldn't be there. 669 00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: They never knew anything about it, but it was usually empty. 670 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: So they decided to go into that backyard ninja style 671 00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: and creep around. So picture this three preteen nerds ninja walking, 672 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: shuffling and crawling silently along the neighbor's side yard with 673 00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:45,239 Speaker 1: homemade weapons in hand. Uh they made like ninchucks and 674 00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,800 Speaker 1: stuff like that. And just as we passed the sliding 675 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,640 Speaker 1: glass door, the lights spring on. We were completely bathed 676 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,680 Speaker 1: in light, locked eyes with this nice Asian family standing 677 00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 1: their suitcases and hand having just drive from their part. 678 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:00,879 Speaker 1: I swear no one moved for at least a five 679 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: count and we all just stood their surprise, and we 680 00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: were frozen in our perfect ninja poses, and then we 681 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 1: jumped up, ran off in a very non assassin like 682 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: panic to our homes and our rooms, waiting for the 683 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,719 Speaker 1: inevitable knock on the door. So it turns out they 684 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: were an Asian family that spent most of their time 685 00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: in Asia, would just come back to the States for 686 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: weeks at a time, and so they came up to 687 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: the three Ninja teens. Uh. He has no idea what 688 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,919 Speaker 1: this poor family must have fought, still none with jet lag, 689 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 1: having just arrived in America to flip on the light 690 00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,840 Speaker 1: and be met with the sight of three diminutive ninja. 691 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:33,920 Speaker 1: And it still makes him laugh. And that's from Jeremy. 692 00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 1: Jeremy also sells tell Josh when he says recidivism is 693 00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,080 Speaker 1: one bone head word, I get it. And Josh, while 694 00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 1: we're on Ninja's I just wanted to bring up during 695 00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: that episode, you said something that you called puda puda 696 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: pooda right, which in Japanese means very fluent, and you 697 00:40:54,680 --> 00:40:56,680 Speaker 1: got a lot of email that they had no idea 698 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: what this meant, and including this email from Juke in Shanghai. 699 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: Shanghai China that is, and Juke was very enthused because 700 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: he works with the Japanese person. Okay, so I was 701 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,440 Speaker 1: gonna say, how does that qualify him? Yeah, he tries 702 00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 1: out these Japanese phrases here. So he went up to 703 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,759 Speaker 1: her and said puda poda puddha, and she followed that 704 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,880 Speaker 1: with impersonating a bird, including elbow movements, telling me she 705 00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:23,680 Speaker 1: thought I was talking about shaky things. And so he 706 00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: wants to know what the heck why did you embarrass 707 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: him like that with puda? I feel like my work 708 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: here is done. Now you have to explain. Actually, pura 709 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,040 Speaker 1: pura pura, as Juke found out, is not exist. I 710 00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,720 Speaker 1: made it up. The real word is pana panta uh. 711 00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:43,279 Speaker 1: It's on a monopeia in Japanese for fluent. The way 712 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: people talked very quickly when they're fluent in something right 713 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: into petic gotcha um. So I just started to call 714 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:53,719 Speaker 1: it pa pa and as a result we got um 715 00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: a couple of self created Japanese pronunciation guys from very 716 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: concerned listeners who are worried like we were either having 717 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:07,319 Speaker 1: or I was having a stroke, or was that off 718 00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:10,960 Speaker 1: or maybe you were a witch? Maybe, So we have 719 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,880 Speaker 1: a phone number for a guy who works with the 720 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,759 Speaker 1: Japanese consulate in San Francisco. Anytime we need pronunciation and 721 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,600 Speaker 1: my long suffering half okay now, and girlfriend is always 722 00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:23,360 Speaker 1: a conserves of information, although I like to learn it 723 00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:28,439 Speaker 1: my own way. So pata put up on your home. 724 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything. I like it. Okay, um porta 725 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,240 Speaker 1: porta porta upon all of your homes. We just decided 726 00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,640 Speaker 1: that that's our own little bit of Pennsylvania Dutch hex craft, 727 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,560 Speaker 1: which means it's a good thing. Right. If you have 728 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,600 Speaker 1: your own little version of hex craft, or a blessing 729 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,800 Speaker 1: for Chuck and I that we can share with other people, 730 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: put in an email and send it to stuff podcast 731 00:42:53,400 --> 00:43:01,040 Speaker 1: at how stuff works dot com. For more on this 732 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 1: and thousands of other topics, visit how stuff works dot com. 733 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: Want more how stuff works, check out our blogs on 734 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: the how stuff works dot com home page. Brought to 735 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 1: you by the reinvented two thousand twelve camera. It's ready, 736 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:16,520 Speaker 1: are you