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Speaker 2: Well, it's our first off season episode.

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Speaker 4: I guess last time we talked was very late night

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Speaker 4: now we start awards week, so we're gonna do all

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Speaker 4: MLB's second team today. Then you got all MLB First

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Speaker 2: Second Team.

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Speaker 4: I've got some candidates that I got to run past

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Speaker 4: you at a couple of positions. There were some shoe ins,

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Speaker 4: like Matt Olsen was the shoe in second team first baseman,

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Speaker 4: and we'll dive into him a little bit in a moment,

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Speaker 4: but you know, Freddie Freeman was crazy. Matt Olsen was

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Speaker 2: Yeah, second base is a fun one. I thought a

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Speaker 2: as well as some guys that disappointed that won't be

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Speaker 2: it's also a philosophical conversation because based on what you

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Speaker 2: just be an yeah, exactly exactly, and it should just

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Speaker 4: Before we get into it, how is the fall league?

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Speaker 2: Fall League was great? Man, I'm excited to break that

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Speaker 4: You want to talk about Yoshiobu Yamamoto not really know anymore?

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Speaker 2: Geez, yeah I do. I'm I'm I'm really excited for

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Speaker 2: I know Otani is the story, but there's something unique

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Speaker 2: No, that's an eighty grade split that Sanga rolls out.

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Speaker 2: think all of us would have kind of set the

433
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Speaker 2: line at what he did offensively. Right. If I told

434
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Speaker 2: you one twenty four wrs plus for William Contreras, I

435
00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 2: think you probably would have said over under. What would

436
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,920
Speaker 2: you've said? I would have said, like push almost, Yeah,

437
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:08,040
Speaker 2: that would have been right there.

438
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,200
Speaker 4: I would have said like slightly under, like a one.

439
00:21:10,119 --> 00:21:13,679
Speaker 2: Seven eight, But you know, within within a shouting distance.

440
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: What I would have one hundred percent not taken the

441
00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 2: over on is his defensive run saved or really his

442
00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,959
Speaker 2: cat stealing, any any defensive metric. You want to look

443
00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:25,080
Speaker 2: at his framing and overall receiving has been better. Like

444
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,159
Speaker 2: he was really good, and I'd love to know what

445
00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:33,359
Speaker 2: he found, what he worked done, and who he was

446
00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,400
Speaker 2: able to specifically work with to find this and maybe

447
00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 2: that story's out there. I just wasn't taking too hard

448
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,240
Speaker 2: for it. But it's remarkable what he's been able to

449
00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 2: do as a guy that graded out in terms of

450
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 2: defensive run saved negative seven and four hundred and fifteen

451
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Speaker 2: innings with with the Braves in twenty twenty one, negative

452
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Speaker 2: four and five hundred and eighteen innings in twenty twenty two,

453
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Speaker 2: and then five defensive run saved in nine hundred and

454
00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,800
Speaker 2: forty two innings this year. But again, across the board

455
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 2: was just better and every single way. And this is

456
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Speaker 2: a guy that's still very young. This was his age

457
00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:03,480
Speaker 2: twenty five seasons. So not only did he make a

458
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: massive gains defensively, I think he's really solidified himself as

459
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: one of the best catchers in the game, which is,

460
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,639
Speaker 2: you know, really exciting, and I think you got to

461
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 2: feel really good if you're the Brewers, and it.

462
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 4: Was a thin group three months ago, and now it's

463
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Speaker 4: a lot less than when we talk about best catchers

464
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:22,440
Speaker 4: in baseball because Gabby Moreno has you know, shoved himself

465
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:26,119
Speaker 4: into that conversation. Jonah Heim is fully in that conversation.

466
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 4: Now going into this year, it was all right, Adley

467
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 4: j Tirio, Muzzo, Alejandro Kirk who fell out of the conversation,

468
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,119
Speaker 4: Will Smith. But after that it's like, is Jose Travino sixth?

469
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 4: Like now you can say that Travigno, even though he

470
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,240
Speaker 4: is a goal Glove caliber catcher, is like tenth or

471
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 4: eleventh on that list, which is great for catching. And

472
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,200
Speaker 4: there are some really good catchers in the minor leagues

473
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Speaker 4: that are set to come up in the next year

474
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 4: and a half two years.

475
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:56,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, how about cal Rally like thirtys another.

476
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 4: Great sneaky, great defense.

477
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we're four to seven f four and

478
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: then you know you got Francisco Alvarez, who's gonna, I think,

479
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: continue to ascend. Pat Bailey's a defensive wizard that you

480
00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,480
Speaker 2: have to put in that like Travino conversation, with the

481
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 2: ability to potentially give you a little bit more offensively

482
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Speaker 2: at this position. I think you hit the nail on

483
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,360
Speaker 2: the head there. And we haven't imagine Sean Murphy who

484
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 2: in the first half was arguably the best catcher in

485
00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: baseball and then just really fell off. It's turned into

486
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 2: a position where there's finally a fair amount of talent.

487
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 2: Yaner Diez is gonna be the di Astro's primary catcher

488
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: next year. I guarantee he kind of catapults himself into

489
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 2: the top ten consideration. Bo nail Or, I know a

490
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,800
Speaker 2: guy that you're really excited about. That's a guy that

491
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: I think is gonna have a really nice year and

492
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 2: settled in nicely. I see he got more big leag

493
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: reps this past season. This is finally turning into a

494
00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: deep position in Major League Baseball. And you know, we

495
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,680
Speaker 2: saw this coming when we were covering prospects. You know,

496
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: in the call up, a lot of these guys were

497
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 2: notable prospects, but some of them aren't and they're guys

498
00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 2: that are just late bloomers and have made a big leap.

499
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Speaker 2: And like Interrerist, it's it's really exciting. Five point four four.

500
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 2: I mean I again, I would have taken the under

501
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:09,159
Speaker 2: on that, yeah, without hesitation. And that's looking like a

502
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 2: really good deal for the Brewers.

503
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Speaker 4: If he put up a one to twenty four WRC plus,

504
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 4: I would have said three and a half win player, Yeah,

505
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 4: like three and a half and that's that. Like the

506
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 4: defense is league average at best, but the defense was

507
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 4: really good. First base, Yeah, Matt Olsen of the Atlanta

508
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,400
Speaker 4: Braves is the second team first baseman.

509
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Speaker 2: This was very easy.

510
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:34,080
Speaker 4: He was one point two wins behind the leader, which

511
00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 4: is crazy because matt Olsen played all one sixty two,

512
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,399
Speaker 4: which gives you big time bonus points. But slash two

513
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:45,560
Speaker 4: eighty three, three eighty nine, six oh four at fifty

514
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 4: four homers and one hundred and thirty nine driven in

515
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 4: it's a one sixty WRC plus. Best offense in recent memory.

516
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 4: Had a lot of guys on base, and there was

517
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 4: always somebody that was up with those men on base,

518
00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 4: and they scored a lot of runs because Matt Olsen

519
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: hit third for them.

520
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,760
Speaker 2: You know when I knew Matdilsen was gonna have a

521
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 2: good year this year, so I pulled a Matt Olson

522
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: autograph card. It wasn't as rookie, but it was a

523
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 2: refractor auto like definitely a solid card to have. I

524
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 2: I was excited about it, got it out of a

525
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 2: random pack. I had it sitting on my desk and

526
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: this was before the season, almost a price right a

527
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Speaker 2: month or two before the season. And my girlfriend has

528
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,920
Speaker 2: a wonderful German shepherd named Kona and ConA likes to

529
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: nibble on a lot of different things, but usually didn't

530
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 2: go after the baseball cards. And I had a bunch

531
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: just sitting on my desk, and only one of them

532
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: was autographed, which was the Matt Olson one. She went

533
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: right for that one. I didn't know. I got out

534
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,360
Speaker 2: of the shower, I walk out and I just see

535
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: it sitting between her paws, and she's just nibbling on it.

536
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: And obviously the card was toast. I tweeted it out

537
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: like way way back when it happened, and I was

538
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 2: looking at that and I'm like, this guy's gonna go

539
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: nuclear this year. I know it. This card's gonna just

540
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: continuously go up and value. And of course it wasn't.

541
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: It's not like his first Bowman Chromados. It's not a

542
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,600
Speaker 2: big deal. But you know, it probably was a fifteen

543
00:26:08,600 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 2: dollars card when I pulled it. Probably a forty dollars

544
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: card now. But I just knew the second that I

545
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 2: walked out in that card was getting nought up by

546
00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 2: that beautiful German shepherd that Matt Olsen was gonna go

547
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: nuts this year. And fifty four home runs later, here

548
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 2: we are.

549
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,119
Speaker 4: She could smell the sharpie, right, do you think it must.

550
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: Have been that? Right? Like, I don't know what drew

551
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,879
Speaker 2: her to the autograph, Like there was dude, there was

552
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 2: like some garbage right right next to those cards that

553
00:26:32,119 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 2: I was like using just to take up space, like

554
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: she couldn't have eaten you know, my there was there

555
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 2: was some random ask like there was a Rodolfo Castro

556
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: like bass card right there. They like, why couldn't she

557
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 2: go after that? Well?

558
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 4: I gave away the Ridolfo Castro base. I think they

559
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 4: only made one.

560
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you said the first person that went up

561
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Speaker 2: to you and said you did, and it was awesome. Yeah,

562
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: look who's doing it now?

563
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Speaker 4: Okay, man full circle on the podcast ready.

564
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: I was just waiting on that.

565
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: I love that you stored it and you deployed it

566
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: really well.

567
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, now I feel better. I'm I'm all good.

568
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: Now good second team, second basement. We've got a couple

569
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: options here to tell Martea the Diamondbacks, Nico Horner of

570
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 4: the Cubs, Luisa Rise of the Marlins, gonna add has

571
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 4: Sung Kim. Yeah, didn't make the cut for utility. We're

572
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 4: gonna get to utility in a moment. And I do

573
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 4: think that this guy in the narrative surrounding this guy

574
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 4: that was second team utility, Trump's Kim, but Marte, Horner, Arise,

575
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 4: and Kim all have very different arcs. This year, Kim

576
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 4: burst onto the scene and was one of the top

577
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 4: war accumulators of all these guys, probably the highest war

578
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 4: of all these guys. Luisa Rise was on four hundred

579
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 4: watch all year. Nico Horner is a gold glove second

580
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 4: basement that took a big offensive leap and now he

581
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 4: looks like an appropriate rock been to dance by Swanson's Batman.

582
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 4: Moving forward in the Cub's middle infield, Katl Marte at

583
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 4: a twenty game postseason hitting streak, and it's I don't

584
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 4: know if we should account for postseason.

585
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 2: No, that was what I was gonna say.

586
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I guess we should probably eliminate Marte. I'm

587
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,159
Speaker 4: also gonna eliminate Nico Horner.

588
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: I think Jazzi Albi's hit thirty three bombs.

589
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, But in terms of the one nine Jesus God,

590
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:29,120
Speaker 4: this is tough.

591
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 2: Who are you voting for?

592
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 4: Because I have Ryan Finkelstein's vote here, So dude, it's.

593
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 2: Tough because I mean you got to think about, like

594
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: what do you What do you want from second base?

595
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: I want, I want a little bit of everything. Gotta

596
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: hit three sixty. Yeah, I also like a guy hitting

597
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: three fifty four, like you said, But I think I

598
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 2: honestly have to eliminate Oriyas because yes, the batting average

599
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 2: is great and and the on bass is great and

600
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: all that good stuff, But if you boil it down

601
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 2: to the wr RC plus, yeah, I mean one thirty

602
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 2: two versus a one to twenty seven from Kadtel Marte,

603
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: versus a one twenty four from asie Albis versus a

604
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 2: one to twelve, even from Hassung Kim. Those guys are

605
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: all doing much more outside of the bat to ball department. Uh,

606
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot more that you're getting there. Personally,

607
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 2: I have this affinity for Hasung Kim because I just

608
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 2: I love his game. Right, A guy that's tapped into

609
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more power, hits the seventeen home runs,

610
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 2: steals thirty eight bags, could play a great defense at

611
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 2: short ends up playing great defense at second base. But again,

612
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 2: what does it boil down to, Like Katel Marte, eight

613
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 2: more home runs, thirty less bags. Nico hornerott, I'm surprised

614
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:48,440
Speaker 2: you're ready to eliminate forty three bags as efficient as

615
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 2: possible one of the best defenders of the position. It's really, really, really,

616
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 2: really hard. I wish Josiao Tuove played the whole year

617
00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 2: so we could just easily pick him. Yeah, man, it's

618
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 2: I'm kind of oscillating between the three guys, but again,

619
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: and I think they all check different boxes that I

620
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: kind of weigh equally at the position between Albi's, Marte

621
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Speaker 2: and Kim, And again, I think Horner could be right

622
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: there too. The lesser power. I don't you know, I

623
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 2: don't value defense as much as I would if it

624
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:25,240
Speaker 2: was shortstop, so I do want to see a little

625
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: bit more offense at the position. I don't want to

626
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 2: tell Marte's postseason to give me recency bias. Ozzi Albi's

627
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: does have the best counting stats, but also was in

628
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 2: the best situation to hit. But zero point four f

629
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 2: four for Hassan Kim doesn't really make that much of

630
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,240
Speaker 2: a difference. I think you got it. You might have

631
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: to go Ozzie Albi's.

632
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 4: Here, So hasun Kim thirty eight bags compared to Horner's

633
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 4: forty three. The point four in war is like, really

634
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 4: kind of getting me. And also a ten percent jump

635
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,480
Speaker 4: in WRC plus from Kim or from Horner to Kim.

636
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 4: Thirty three and one o nine is so hard to

637
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 4: argue with.

638
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 2: It's so hard thirty three and one oh nine because

639
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: I want to go Kim.

640
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I do give bonus points for a team

641
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 4: being really good. But the thing is Kim played one

642
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: fifty two, always played one forty eight.

643
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: That's a wash too, and and you know that again

644
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: the fource out of it. I think there's some interesting

645
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 2: aspects to that because the defense helps. Kim also played

646
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 2: thirty two games at third and twenty games at short,

647
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 2: which is always going to give you that especially short

648
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 2: that f or bump. I I lean Ozzie Albi's here, Yeah,

649
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 2: because and not just the thirty three pumps also hit

650
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 2: for a higher average than than could tell and Kim,

651
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: I wish he walked more. Sure, I wish he was

652
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 2: a little bit better of a defender, but I mean

653
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: in terms of just being a producer. And I think

654
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: that that's kind of what the position demands now in

655
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 2: a lot of ways, is they want you to hit.

656
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 2: You know, what's what's a glove first, second, basement going

657
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,479
Speaker 2: to do for you. You know, I like it. It's

658
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 2: a great bonus, and it may help in the f

659
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: war department, but you know, I want guys to drive

660
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: and runs and produce and and then Albi's did that

661
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 2: with the best of them this year. I thought it

662
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: was one of the better second basement seasons. You know,

663
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: we've seen in the last few years up there with

664
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 2: Semion and several others. So I'm gonna go. I'm gonna

665
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: go Albi's with my vote, just because it's hard to

666
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 2: argue against thirty three and one oh nine and mixing

667
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 2: in thirteen or fourteen on stolen bases and hitting two eighty.

668
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: It's just goood across the board.

669
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think our managing editor went with Katel Marte,

670
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: but you know there's probably some playoff recency there and

671
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 4: that wasn't specified and we're emailing back and forth.

672
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:49,760
Speaker 2: So all right, yeah, I'll con see. I'll be's nice.

673
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 4: Thirty three and one oh nine is impossible, you win, uh,

674
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 4: short stop.

675
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: I went with.

676
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: Francisco Lindor of the New York Mets. The other option

677
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 4: was Bobby Witt Junior, and I went with Lindor because

678
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 4: this guy played one hundred and sixty games. He had

679
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 4: a six point f four slash two fifty four to

680
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: three thirty six four seventy. He was as sneaky of

681
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: a thirty thirty season as you can imagine, because the

682
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 4: Mets were out of contention entirely, but hey, so were

683
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: the Royals. Witt was swiping billions of bags, so I

684
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 4: think people were paying attention when they turn on a

685
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 4: Royals game. They were like, Hey, what's Bobby Witt up to.

686
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: I'm not sure how many people were turning on Royals

687
00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 4: games at the end of the year, but Lindor, in

688
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 4: a year that was just showered with mediocrity and disappointment

689
00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: for the Mets, this guy busted out thirty one homers,

690
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 4: ninety eight driven in and thirty one bags with a

691
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 4: one twenty one WRC plus. And we know he's one

692
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 4: of the better defenders at the position, if not the

693
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 4: best consistently.

694
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is a position where, yeah, it's turned

695
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: into an offensive it's a premium offensive spot, so you

696
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: got to swing any air and it gives you that.

697
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: It gives you that. But I'm weighing the defense a

698
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 2: little bit more over here. This is where you can

699
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 2: really separate yourself. And when you look at defensive runs saved,

700
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 2: he's it wasn't the top this year, but you'll get

701
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 2: some other metrics. He was one of the best. And

702
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: as you said, he just just watched this guy play shortstop.

703
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 2: I think he's just day in and day out one

704
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 2: of the most consistent and strong defenders and we saw that.

705
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 2: But to your point, to see what he did offensively

706
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: to go thirty thirty, it is something that we thought

707
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: might not happen again for him outside of Cleveland's. It

708
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 2: was pretty fun to watch him do what he did

709
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 2: and it would have got a lot more fanfare. Yeah,

710
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: if if the Mets were not a team that was

711
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: very quickly out of it and you know, had a

712
00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 2: lot of extracurriculars just kind of going around with them

713
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 2: and the narrative around that team, I think you gotta

714
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 2: go with Lindor from from the f fur perspective. Again,

715
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 2: one more home run than Bobby Wit, and he was

716
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 2: kind of in a position to, you know, maybe not

717
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 2: motor as much, maybe not have the green light as

718
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 2: much as a Bobby Wit. I think that this was

719
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: just a well rounded, almost as good of a season

720
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: as you can have. I love what Bobby Wood did,

721
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: and I think this guy could compete for MVPs in

722
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 2: the coming seasons. But you give me a little bit

723
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 2: more in the WRC plus department. You gave me a

724
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 2: little bit more in the f war, you give me

725
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: a little bit more. I think defensively, I'm going to

726
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: lean towards Lendor. Though Bobby Wit again is turning into

727
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: a superstar. It wouldn't surprise me if he overtakes him

728
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: next year.

729
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 4: And credit to Bobby Witt, you got to shout him

730
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 4: out because this guy like this shouldn't have been a

731
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 4: conversation if we saw the twenty twenty two defense from

732
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 4: Bobby Witt, with the fact that he had that one

733
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 4: year turnaround just because there was consistency. He pretty much

734
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 4: split his time between third and short in twenty two.

735
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 4: In twenty three, he was given the reins a shortstop

736
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 4: and he turned into one of the better defenders at

737
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 4: the position when he was one of the worst defenders

738
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 4: on the left side of the infield in twenty twenty two.

739
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 2: So which broke my brain, by the way, because that

740
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: was one of the easier sixes I've put on a glove.

741
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: You know, when we were doing our top one hundred

742
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 2: list for twenty twenty one and going into twenty twenty two,

743
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: like that was one of the easiest plus gloves I

744
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: was able to give out and then that first year,

745
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, WHOA, where did I go wrong here? So

746
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: it's nice to see, uh, you know what, tapping into

747
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 2: that defensive and I still think there's more in there.

748
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: I do think that he can progress and continue to

749
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 2: become I think one of the better defenders of the

750
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 2: position as well, which is gonna make him one of

751
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: the best players in baseball.

752
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: And I feel like so much of that came from

753
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: asking him to bounce back and forth.

754
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: So oft yeah, definitely, definitely, And I just think just

755
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 2: asking him to do a lot of hitting at the

756
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,760
Speaker 2: top of the order and yeah, moving back and forth,

757
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: and I think there was a lot of moving parts

758
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 2: of that. I do want to shout out JP Crawford

759
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: as well, not in this conversation, but I think another

760
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 2: guy that could very easily get lost in the shuffle

761
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: and had a phenomenal season A one four WRC plus

762
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 2: from JP Crawford talk about over unders going into the year,

763
00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: I want to crush that under. He's one of the

764
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 2: best hitters in baseball. In the second half, you know

765
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: that you're going to get a good glove there. I

766
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 2: think the metrics sometimes do him already. He's a great

767
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: glove and anybody, anybody that watches him consistently would tell

768
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: you that. But I was Florida how good he was

769
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: offensively this year, walking a ton. He looks like one

770
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: of the better shortstops now in the game, and that's

771
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: been really fun to see him continue to progress this way. Yep.

772
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 4: Last infielder Isak Paradis, was a very fun story. I

773
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: was campaigning for him, but ultimately, Jose Ramirez is your

774
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 4: second team third baseman. It had to be Jose Ramirez,

775
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 4: who put up a five point one war season, one

776
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty six games, thirty six doubles, twenty four homers,

777
00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 4: eighty driven in. He's steal twenty eight bags. Again, that

778
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,040
Speaker 4: guy doesn't look like he should be stealing twenty eight bags.

779
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: But death taxes and Jose Ramirez putting up a five

780
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:48,839
Speaker 4: win season, this is what this guy does. Every year.

781
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 2: You can you can just feel so good every year

782
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 2: going and just knowing that you've got pretty much the

783
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: top of your order, taking care of whoever you want

784
00:37:57,800 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 2: to plug him. You could justify him almost in any

785
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: spot and he'd be great there. The way he walks

786
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 2: and gets on base, he can put him in the

787
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 2: lead off spot. The way he hits and drives and runs,

788
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:06,279
Speaker 2: he can put him in the three spot, or the

789
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 2: four spot, or the two spot. Like he's a switch hitter.

790
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 2: You can kind of put him wherever, and I just

791
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,799
Speaker 2: it's impossible to poke a hole in this guy's game.

792
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:16,719
Speaker 2: He struck out the least he has struck out since

793
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,360
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. He walked the exact same amount that he

794
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 2: punched out. You mentioned the bags. The home runs were there.

795
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 2: He's always a solid defender. I'm not sure exactly what

796
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 2: the metrics graded out to this year, but you can

797
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: always count on him to be solid. It looks like

798
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 2: he's above average in both the outs, above average and

799
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: defensive runs safety perspective. I mean this is is we

800
00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 2: were talking about best contracts in baseball from a pitcher's perspective,

801
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,280
Speaker 2: but in terms of a hitter's perspective, he was already

802
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: on one of the better deals, and even even now

803
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:49,920
Speaker 2: looking at the rest of his deal that he got,

804
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: he's still one of the better contracts in baseball twenty

805
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: million AAV one hundred percent.

806
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,680
Speaker 4: Luis Roberts also on that list. He's one of the

807
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: three second team outfielders. Three outfielders Juan Soto, Luis Robert

808
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 4: and Kyle Tucker. We're gonna go through one by one

809
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 4: in the outfield and DH utility in some pitchers. To

810
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 4: wrap it first a quick break. Let's start with Soto,

811
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 4: who is a five and a half win player. Soto

812
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 4: played all one sixty two, Sneaky played all one sixty

813
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 4: two a one fifty five WRC plus you forget about

814
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 4: this guy when he's on a five hundred team and

815
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:35,359
Speaker 4: on an underwhelming team, you should never forget about him.

816
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 4: And okay, defensive questions have knocked him down from five

817
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 4: hundred million to four hundred million. This cat's gonna get

818
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 4: three hundred and fifty maybe four hundred million dollars when

819
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:49,319
Speaker 4: he does hit free agency. And I think I had

820
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 4: some doubts coming into this year, but it really feels

821
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 4: inevitable now.

822
00:39:54,040 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 2: I think seeing him go through the struggle that he

823
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: struggle quote unquote in the first half and then the

824
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: a couple of months and then come out of it

825
00:40:02,400 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 2: the way he did and be Juan Soto as we

826
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 2: have become accustomed to, and then some that would almost

827
00:40:09,200 --> 00:40:11,959
Speaker 2: give me more comfort. This was the guy that entered

828
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball just having it right, just knowing how

829
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: to hit. And we saw that at nineteen years old,

830
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 2: and we saw it in the World Series and all

831
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 2: that good stuff. But sometimes these guys that just always

832
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 2: had it, when they lose it, they don't know how

833
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: to find it again. And he was doing some funny drills,

834
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 2: he was doing some things to try to get those

835
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,359
Speaker 2: feels back. Everyone's talking about how he was pulling off

836
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 2: in some of the little mechanical things that crept into

837
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: his swing and he found it again. And when a

838
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:36,840
Speaker 2: guy's able to do that, we talked about that with

839
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 2: Bellinger as well, and seeing him find it again, that

840
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,239
Speaker 2: gives me so much more confidence. And of course that

841
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: was way more extreme. But when It'swan Soda, we never

842
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: expected him to go through any kinds of swamps. He

843
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 2: seemed almost impervious to that kind of thing. So to

844
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: see him come out of the other side of what

845
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: was the toughest stretch quote unquote of his career thus far,

846
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: I feel really confident that this guy's just going to

847
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: be this every single year. He's going to be a

848
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: one sixt WRC plus just about every single year. And

849
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 2: he did it again this year, even with the slow start,

850
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: thirty five homers, and you can kind of ignore the

851
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,080
Speaker 2: defense at this point when when he does what he

852
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 2: does with the bat, doesn't make sense that he's so

853
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 2: bad defensively, but who cares.

854
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, guy where it's way less reliable. We did get

855
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 4: a full season of Luis Robert. You played one hundred

856
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 4: and forty five games, and he was who we expect

857
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 4: him to be. He was a five win player. He

858
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 4: had a three point fifteen on base and he was

859
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: a five win player. That doesn't happen. Thirty eight homers,

860
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 4: eighty ribies, twenty bags, a one to twenty eight WRC plus.

861
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: It's so hard to have a one twenty eight WRC

862
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 4: plus when you walk like six percent of the time.

863
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 4: But this guy has so much talent in the tank.

864
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:49,240
Speaker 4: We just got to see that talent over one sixty

865
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 4: two and he was the saving grace on that team

866
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 4: this year.

867
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 2: I mean it's just here's what he does when he's healthy.

868
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 2: I like, that's that's it. And we've talked about this

869
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 2: guy's a superstar, and it's just it's been so frustrating

870
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 2: because we haven't been able to see what a full

871
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 2: suit of Louise Robert can really look like. And this

872
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: year was it was one of the pretty much only

873
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: reason to tune into a White Sox game for the

874
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 2: most part was Louise Robert. And I'm interested to see how,

875
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: you know, how he looks on this team as they

876
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 2: hopefully start to give him some decent pieces around him.

877
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 2: And I mean, why would you pitch to Louise Robert?

878
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: Next Year's kind of my thing, and I think that

879
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: was part of the problems. He's one of the more

880
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: aggresive hitters in baseball, but he's also proven that despite

881
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 2: walking at a five percent clip, despite swinging at everything,

882
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 2: he can still be incredibly productive and pretty consistently productive.

883
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,280
Speaker 2: And then the defense is good and all the other stuff.

884
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,280
Speaker 2: But I mean, Robert, if he can walk a little

885
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 2: bit more, this guy could be one of the better

886
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 2: players in the game. But I thought this was as

887
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: exciting and as encouraging of a season as you could

888
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: ask for from just the game's played perspective. And then

889
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 2: you know that the production across the board.

890
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:07,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if they do, if they are tracking to

891
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 4: be a sixty five win team next year and we

892
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:12,479
Speaker 4: hit the deadline and they entertained the Robert move again,

893
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 4: his contract can change their franchise. It is so team friendly.

894
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 4: He's so good. If he's healthy and they want to

895
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 4: move him. I mean, it's it's not Soto package, but

896
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: it's closer to it than you would think.

897
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: It's real close. The given the years of control and

898
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 2: how cheap it's it would be very close, very close.

899
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,000
Speaker 4: Kyle Tucker is our second team right fielder. Kyle Tucker

900
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: led the American League in RBIs this year. He had

901
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 4: one hundred and seven or one hundred and twelve of them,

902
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 4: thirty seven doubles, twenty nine homers, thirty backs. He was

903
00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 4: a homer shy of a thirty thirty season. He had

904
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 4: one forty WRC plus and he was a four point

905
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 4: nine win guy. Kyle Tucker almost had a thirty thirty

906
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 4: season while leading the American League in RBIs.

907
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: There are other guys that you can point to. Hey, A.

908
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 4: Doles Garcia was amazing throughout the post earth throughout the season,

909
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 4: and we know who won the postseason battle between Tucker

910
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 4: and a Duleys Garcia. One of them disappeared, one of

911
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 4: them showed up and want to see SMVP. But Kyle

912
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 4: Tucker's regular season might have been the most underappreciated regular

913
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 4: season that we had in baseball this year.

914
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that doesn't it kind of feel like he's

915
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 2: just always going to be that guy though. Yeah, he's

916
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: always going to be the guy that we say, oh

917
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 2: if people don't.

918
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 4: When is he underrated? Like when is he too underrated

919
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 4: to be underrated?

920
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: That kind of thing. Yeah, And it's funny because like,

921
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: look right here, I'm for those watching on YouTube, I'm

922
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: holding up a Kyle Tucker Bowman Chromado. I've just been

923
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 2: scooping up his cards because I'm like nobody, they're way

924
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: too cheap and it's weird, but it also makes sense

925
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,960
Speaker 2: when one, no one likes the asterisk, but two, he's

926
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: just one of those players that you're gonna look back

927
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: in ten years say, holy shit, he's on a Hall

928
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: of Fame track. I really think he's in that conversation.

929
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 2: He's gonna have to continue to do it right, but

930
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 2: you look at what he's already done, and if he

931
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 2: maintains I mean it was thirty home runs in twenty

932
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 2: twenty one, thirty home runs in twenty twenty two, twenty

933
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 2: to nine home runs in twenty twenty three. If he's

934
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,320
Speaker 2: averaging thirty home runs in twenty five to thirty steals

935
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 2: every single year, he's while hitting for average while playing

936
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 2: pretty good defense. He's took a little bit of a

937
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,719
Speaker 2: step back this year metrically, but four to seven more

938
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: four eight war, four to nine f war the last

939
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: three years, I mean, you can pretty much pencil him

940
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 2: in for that. He's mised you consistency. He might not

941
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: have the flashes, he might not have the forty five

942
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 2: home run season, but if he does this for a

943
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 2: decade plus moving forward, he's gonna be in a really

944
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 2: good spot in a lot of the counting stats, and

945
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna be comfortably one of the best players. You know,

946
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 2: I think of the last decade just by what his

947
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:46,480
Speaker 2: body of work, and I don't see him slowing down,

948
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 2: like I just think there's a guy that's always going

949
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 2: to be solid.

950
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 4: Do you think his card price shoots up and his

951
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,720
Speaker 4: overall appreciation shoots up after he signs his deal because

952
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 4: he's yes talked about it. He's a three hundred million

953
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,320
Speaker 4: dollar guy. Yes, so yes, But if he's signs with

954
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 4: the Astros, does it shoot up too? I feel like

955
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 4: if you sign for that gaudian number, people are gonna

956
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:06,520
Speaker 4: be like whoa, yeah you're yeah.

957
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,839
Speaker 2: I think it does regardless, because again, I think it's

958
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 2: one of those things where it's like people are Kyle

959
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 2: Tucker like, pretty good player. Yeah. I think when he

960
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 2: gets paid, it's like I didn't realize he was that.

961
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: Oh shit, three hundred million for him, and then you

962
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 2: go look at the Fangrafts page or the Baseball Reference

963
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 2: page and you're like, oh, well, look at some of

964
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 2: the other deals guys have gotten. I mean, what's who's

965
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,720
Speaker 2: better than that? You can count on one hand probably

966
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: at that position. So now I'm with you. I think

967
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: once that deal comes in, the thing is the Astros

968
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: never give those deals out, so maybe it comes from

969
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: another team. I could see him being like a Dodger

970
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: or something.

971
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: Can be great Marlin. He's gonna be such a good Marlin.

972
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when when do you have Bruce Sherman when

973
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 2: in the power Ball.

974
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,359
Speaker 4: He's going to be such a good Cincinnati Red. There's

975
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 4: so many options and.

976
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:49,839
Speaker 2: He could hit forty five there.

977
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 4: Yes, he's gonna be such a good Rocky that one they.

978
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 2: Could actually see they could give him three fifty. Oh

979
00:46:56,200 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 2: he just got it a day. Oh yeah, that would

980
00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:58,439
Speaker 2: be sick.

981
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 4: Second team d H is his teammate Jordan Alvarez, who

982
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 4: did not qualify. Didn't qualify one hundred and fourteen games.

983
00:47:05,560 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 4: But here's what he did in one hundred and fourteen games.

984
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 4: Four and a half wins, slash two ninety three, four

985
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,439
Speaker 4: oh seven, five eighty three, thirty one homers ninety seven

986
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 4: driven in a one to seventy WRC. Plus he's the

987
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 4: best hitter in baseball next year?

988
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 2: Is he the best hitter in baseball? I think so.

989
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 4: Who's like Judge, But I'll take Jordan's overall numbers over Judge.

990
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 2: I do think it's I wish we got a full

991
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,920
Speaker 2: Judge slate this year, just because it looks like he

992
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:39,080
Speaker 2: was on pace to do it again.

993
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, if he did it again, then we're not having

994
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:41,840
Speaker 4: this conversation.

995
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 2: But regardless, I mean, he's he's there right and and

996
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I think it's Akunya. I think it's

997
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: in no order Judge, and I think it's Jordan. I

998
00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 2: think those guys are kind of in a league of

999
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 2: their own, uh in a lot of ways. With Sieger

1000
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: knocking on the door now too. I think his his

1001
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: swing is just about the platinum standard. And I'll nerd

1002
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: out about that another time, but yeah, I mean we

1003
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: saw him in the playoffs. But to your point to

1004
00:48:06,040 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: what he did in one hundred and fourteen games, if

1005
00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 2: if he didn't get banged up and plays a full

1006
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 2: slate like we're talking about with Judge, he's probably at

1007
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: fifty home runs he's I think what really wows me though,

1008
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: is the batting averaging on base skills as well. I

1009
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 2: mean hitting two ninety three and getting on basil a

1010
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,960
Speaker 2: four h seven clip with the power that he has.

1011
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: I mean, it just they don't come much better than

1012
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 2: you are hunt at the play That's my thing.

1013
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 4: Like, So, his stature says twenty five percent krate, but

1014
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 4: it's under twenty?

1015
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 2: Is it under fifteen? It's close to fifteen. I think

1016
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 2: it was eighteen and a half this year, but I

1017
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,560
Speaker 2: think he said other years where it's closer to fifteen.

1018
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, Judge, like it's always going to be around

1019
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 4: twenty five percent, it's always going to be higher like

1020
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 4: in terms of Kray, Judge will always be upper echelon,

1021
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 4: which is not a good thing. But Judge always.

1022
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 2: Walks like he is the Judge is probably the perfect

1023
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 2: power hitter.

1024
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 4: He fits the power hitting mold. Akuna is a physical specimen,

1025
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 4: and so is your Gun, so is Judge. But Acunya

1026
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 4: is just kind of different in that regard where it's

1027
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,239
Speaker 4: one of the fastest guys in baseball. He's just kind

1028
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 4: of an alien life form. But the way I kind

1029
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 4: of view yourd On is this guy is built to

1030
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 4: be something, and he's that, but he's also the other thing.

1031
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 4: He's built to be this power hitting menace, and he's that,

1032
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 4: but he's also a great batting, average, back to ball

1033
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 4: guy protect the entirety.

1034
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: Of his own. You shouldn't there shouldn't be such thing

1035
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: as a pure power hitter, and he is right, that's

1036
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: the best. Yeah, I think the best way to describe

1037
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 2: is like I'm always when I'm writing up prospects, it's

1038
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 2: always like, WHOA, this guy has plus power in an

1039
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: above average field to hit like that, guy's probably gonna

1040
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 2: be real good.

1041
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 5: That usually ends up being a top prospect when you

1042
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 5: got plus plus power and that take borderline plus plus

1043
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 5: field to hit like that, sometimes you almost have to

1044
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 5: zoom out and be like, imagine a prospect with seventy

1045
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:04,600
Speaker 5: hit seventy power or almost eighty power, Well, like, what

1046
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:05,239
Speaker 5: the fuck is that?

1047
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy?

1048
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: That are Yeah, he's a seventy hit eighty power guy.

1049
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 4: So and I want I want to allow pushback on

1050
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 4: the eighty power thing because he consistently I think he's

1051
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 4: what third and exit velocity like average exit velocity consistently

1052
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 4: like Judge's eighty power. I think you probably got to

1053
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 4: hand out three eighties to.

1054
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,640
Speaker 2: The think yeah, yeah, and today's gaming now like three eighties. Yeah,

1055
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:33,600
Speaker 2: and yeah, Jordan's one hundred and ten miles per hour

1056
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 2: ninetieth percentile this past year. I mean you can say

1057
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 2: like seventy, it's like seventy five. So it's like you're

1058
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: you're pretty much just towing the line there max this

1059
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 2: year of one eighteen, Like, yeah, that's damn near a eighty. Yeah.

1060
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 4: Utility guy, Second team utility Cody Bellinger had to make

1061
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 4: this team. The redemption that Cody Bellinger had this year,

1062
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 4: he was a four win player in one hundred and

1063
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 4: thirty games. Bellinger twenty nine doubles, twenty six homers, ninety

1064
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 4: seven driven in twenty bags in a one thirty four

1065
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 4: WRC plus he's going to get paid like the shit

1066
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 4: years didn't happen, and this year kind of debunked that

1067
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 4: and said, hey, you might have just needed a change

1068
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: his scenery. Cody was too good to not make this

1069
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,479
Speaker 4: list somehow, and he split his time relatively evenly between

1070
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,279
Speaker 4: the center field and first base because he banged up

1071
00:51:27,280 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 4: his knee.

1072
00:51:28,320 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: And played excellently at both. You know when he was

1073
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 2: in the lineup, and I mean so many improvements right

1074
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,799
Speaker 2: and so many things that he was just much more

1075
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 2: like the old Cody's Bellinger. But I think he also

1076
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 2: got his swagger back a little bit too, where of

1077
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,320
Speaker 2: course that's going to come when you succeed, but you

1078
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: just saw it in the box. You saw the confidence.

1079
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 2: It wasn't this guy where it's like, oh, I hope

1080
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: everything times up perfectly and he connects with one. Finally,

1081
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:57,600
Speaker 2: it was like you're expecting him to hit the ball again.

1082
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:02,440
Speaker 2: You're expecting that uppercuts swing to just crush one, you know,

1083
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 2: straight away to center field or into the right center gap. Yeah,

1084
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 2: you're visualizing it while he's in the box. Hadn't done

1085
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,000
Speaker 2: that in a while. You know, I was usually visualizing whiffs,

1086
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: you know, at the top of the zone when I

1087
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:16,440
Speaker 2: saw him up there. And it's crazy how that can

1088
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 2: change so quickly. When you watch these at bats and

1089
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 2: you see just a comfortable Cody Bellinger six percent jump

1090
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:25,839
Speaker 2: or seven percent jump in his in zone contact, I mean,

1091
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: you don't see that year over year with major league kitterers.

1092
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 2: You rarely see that with minor league hitters. To see

1093
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 2: a seven percent jump in his in zone contact is absurd,

1094
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 2: I mean, and that shows you just how much more

1095
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,320
Speaker 2: confidence he has. It's obviously found something with his timing.

1096
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 2: Cut his swinging strike rate, which is just the amount

1097
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 2: you swing and miss at everything down by three percent.

1098
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: I mean, that's substantial. He just the underlying metrics backet.

1099
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 2: I know people talk about, like some of the other

1100
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: underlying metrics in terms of like you know, predictive measures, saying, oh,

1101
00:52:58,080 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: you know, you may have ever performed a little bit maybe,

1102
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: but you look at a lot of the even beneath that, right,

1103
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 2: these are like the underlying metrics, But beneath the underlying metrics,

1104
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 2: there's a lot of massive gains that I think point

1105
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: towards Cody Ballinger being at least close to what he

1106
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: wants was. And if he's seventy percent of what you

1107
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: know he once was at his peak, that's a guy

1108
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 2: that's perennial All Star almost.

1109
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's worth one hundred million dollars for sure

1110
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 4: because his peak was MVPs easily. So all right, we're

1111
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,919
Speaker 4: going to go rapid fire through the pitchers. And here's

1112
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 4: how we're gonna do it. I'm going to give the name,

1113
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: season numbers, my one prevailing thought. You follow with your

1114
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 4: one prevailing thought, and we'll go. We'll kind of go

1115
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 4: rapid fire. I also have some decisions that we have

1116
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 4: to make at the end the starting pitchers and the

1117
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 4: end of the bullpen.

1118
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: Arms.

1119
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 4: Five starters, two relievers on the second team. Logan Webb

1120
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 4: in the San Francisco Giants thirty three starts, two hundred

1121
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 4: and sixteen innings, a three two five era, a whip

1122
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 4: at one oh seven, nine case per nine, two and

1123
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 4: a half walks per nine, and a whip at one

1124
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,319
Speaker 4: oh seven or a fit pardon it, three to one six.

1125
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,759
Speaker 4: Logan Webb threw way more innings that you would anticipate,

1126
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 4: and this guy is always going to have an ERA

1127
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 4: in the low threes. He's always going to be a

1128
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 4: second team all MLB guy.

1129
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 2: That's my thought. That was litally my prevailing thought was

1130
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 2: just gonna say, he's mister consistency, I think. And you know, again,

1131
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: we talked about to our ability like knock on wood,

1132
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: it's what is our ability on the mound. But if

1133
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:31,360
Speaker 2: there is such thing, logan web looks like something along

1134
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 2: those lines. And yeah, for me, the prevailing dot is

1135
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,520
Speaker 2: consistent as they come right now in this in this game, yep.

1136
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 4: Zach Gallen the Arizona Diamondbacks is second team two and

1137
00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 4: ten innings across thirty four starts. He was seventeen and

1138
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 4: nine with a three and a half the RA nine

1139
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 4: and a half k's per nine, two walks per nine.

1140
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 4: Gallen was first team until the very end and a

1141
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 4: couple of blow up starts.

1142
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like you just ran out of gas a

1143
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,919
Speaker 2: little bit, right. I'm a guy that's had a little

1144
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,560
Speaker 2: at a history of elbow issues arm issues over the

1145
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: last couple of years. I think twenty twenty two was

1146
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:09,280
Speaker 2: kind of the first time we really saw him build, build, build,

1147
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,200
Speaker 2: and even at one eighty four. Think about it from

1148
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,240
Speaker 2: this lens. Okay, you threw one hundred and eighty four innings,

1149
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:18,280
Speaker 2: start to fade right around then, because that's thirty more innings.

1150
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: Now we're talking about here where more than thirty, where

1151
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: that's what four or five starts maybe six where you

1152
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 2: start to fade. I think that was kind of the

1153
00:55:28,360 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 2: difference here. So you know, at the end of the day,

1154
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,680
Speaker 2: you are what you were on the field. But my

1155
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 2: prevailing thought was this guy was, like you said, a

1156
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: first team or until he reached new heights in terms

1157
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,840
Speaker 2: of his innings, and that's also still a positive and

1158
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 2: so big step forward in terms of usage and durability.

1159
00:55:44,760 --> 00:55:46,960
Speaker 2: And then we saw him finish strong in the postseason.

1160
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 2: I think we're going to see a lot more first

1161
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 2: half Gallon next year.

1162
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what thirty plus innings in the postseason to

1163
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,320
Speaker 4: add on top of the two ten, this guy was

1164
00:55:56,920 --> 00:56:00,279
Speaker 4: flirting with two point fifty, which nobody does more.

1165
00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1166
00:56:01,239 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 4: I was trying to spin z on my way into

1167
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 4: a Gallon cy Young candidacy, but there were a couple

1168
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 4: of blow up starts at the end. It just I

1169
00:56:06,480 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 4: couldn't do it anymore. Uh, Jordan Montgomery is our next

1170
00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 4: guy with the Texas Rangers slash Saint Louis Cardinals. It's

1171
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 4: not just the postseason, folks. Jamon one hundred and eighty

1172
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 4: eight and two thirds innings three two era a one

1173
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,359
Speaker 4: to two, whip three and a half, fifth, punched out

1174
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 4: eight per nine, walk two and a half. He was

1175
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 4: so under the radar all regular season, and then they

1176
00:56:28,160 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 4: realized the get outs guy is really good in the postseason.

1177
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 4: So I think the baseball world kind of latched on.

1178
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's gonna get himself paid, right. It's

1179
00:56:37,200 --> 00:56:40,359
Speaker 2: it's funny because I thought when yord on when time

1180
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: out would makes him so good. When Yordon kind of

1181
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 2: talks about how it's just one of the more uncomfortable

1182
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 2: at bats for him, just shows you sometimes it's hard

1183
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 2: to fully be able to understand how somebody's stuff works,

1184
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: and with him, its deception and everything looks the same

1185
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 2: out of his hand. He repeats his release point. And

1186
00:56:57,080 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: I love pitchers like that because you could pretty mu

1187
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:02,160
Speaker 2: count on consistency. He's going to fill up the strike zone,

1188
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 2: he's going to give you quality starts pretty much every

1189
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:07,800
Speaker 2: fifth day, and I think he just leaned into it

1190
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: even more this year and just was able to take

1191
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: that command to another level, use that deception to his

1192
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 2: advantage a little bit more. And this was the best

1193
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: season of his career three two ERA. And then as

1194
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 2: you mentioned what he did in the postseason, I think

1195
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: this guy's as safe as they come when you're looking

1196
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: at potential candidates that you can give a five year,

1197
00:57:26,920 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: four to five year yeal even though he's already thirty

1198
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,360
Speaker 2: and free agency and say, hey, this guy will aged

1199
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 2: pretty well. I thought this year was a perfect example

1200
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 2: of how he can age very well moving forward. That said,

1201
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 2: his velocity is average. Fastball velocity was higher than ever

1202
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 2: this year, which is overall encouraging.

1203
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:44,880
Speaker 4: Rom thing get up to one hundred and two at

1204
00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:45,760
Speaker 4: thirty three years old.

1205
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 2: You never know, No, if he did, he'd be it'd

1206
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,160
Speaker 2: be over. But ninety three and a half this year.

1207
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: He never really averaged. I think over the course of

1208
00:57:55,120 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 2: his career averaged about ninety two and change.

1209
00:57:57,400 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 4: Damn, Kyle Bradish is on the second team. Kyle Bradish

1210
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 4: of the Baltimore Orioles. On narrative alone, Bradish is on

1211
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 4: the second team. They needed an ace and Kyle Bradish

1212
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:11,920
Speaker 4: threw like an ace this year one hundred and sixty

1213
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 4: eight and two thirds innings, a two to eight three ERA,

1214
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 4: one of the best whips among qualified starters at one

1215
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 4: oh four, one of the best batting average against among

1216
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 4: qualified starters nine k's p nine two and a half

1217
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 4: walks per nine. Grayson Rodriguez wasn't consistent all year. They

1218
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: needed a frontline guy, and Bradish being the front line

1219
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 4: guy for the second best team in baseball gets you

1220
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:36,240
Speaker 4: on this list.

1221
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 2: I was, I mean, this has gotta be number one

1222
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 2: least expected, right, yeah, Holy, And I kept waiting for

1223
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,840
Speaker 2: the shoe to drop, and it never did because he

1224
00:58:48,120 --> 00:58:50,960
Speaker 2: was really good all year. So, I mean, Bradish is

1225
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: far from traditional and throws his slider more than he

1226
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: throws any other individual, pitch mixing, cutter, sinker like it's

1227
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: it's interesting. But it worked pretty much all year long,

1228
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,680
Speaker 2: and we talk about that consistency. He was a walking

1229
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 2: quality start. He really only had one blow up and

1230
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,960
Speaker 2: that came on the twenty fifth of May, and other

1231
00:59:12,080 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 2: than that, I mean pretty much as worst starts were

1232
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 2: like four and runs and he'd still give you six

1233
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 2: or seven innings like that was the remarkable thing about him.

1234
00:59:18,960 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: So I thought he was. I thought he was phenomenal

1235
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:24,960
Speaker 2: this year. It's just a great story and a much

1236
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 2: needed fine for Baltimore big time.

1237
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 4: All right, pick one for the final starting pitcher Kodai Sanga,

1238
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 4: Luis Castillo, George Kirby, Zach Wheeler, Spencer Streyder got to

1239
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:46,120
Speaker 4: pick one. Ryan Finkelstein's vote was Stryder because he blew

1240
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 4: everybody else out of the water punch out wise, And

1241
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 4: I get it, I totally get it. Like the k

1242
00:59:51,560 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 4: leader should probably be all MLB.

1243
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, my vote's got to probably go Strider. I think,

1244
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 2: you know, a couple couple blow ups hurt him too,

1245
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean, if you're striking out thirty seven

1246
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: percent of batters like and haven't so and I know

1247
01:00:08,200 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 2: he had a three eight six, but it has to

1248
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: be him. Yeah, But it's it's interesting because he, yes,

1249
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 2: there's a value to being consistently like consistently solid like

1250
01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 2: a J. Mott. But Spencer Strider single handedly who won

1251
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:26,680
Speaker 2: them games on several occasions. Yeah, and I think I

1252
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: think that's an important thing. Like, no, no pitcher really

1253
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 2: took over games the way Spencer Strider did when he

1254
01:00:31,600 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: was on this year and nobody was within five percent

1255
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 2: of his strikeout rate. Think about that. Yeah, and the

1256
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: only guy that was within five percent of him is

1257
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,680
Speaker 2: Blake Snell, and Blake Snell walked near with twice as

1258
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,680
Speaker 2: many batters for a time out, like k to bb.

1259
01:00:45,360 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 2: No one's within shouting distance of Spencer's Shrider, So yeah,

1260
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:51,680
Speaker 2: it's got to be him. But it's really tough to

1261
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 2: leave off some of those names that you mentioned.

1262
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 4: I mean a lot of internal pressure, a lot of

1263
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 4: internal pressure from me noting a Mariner on this, like

1264
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 4: Gilbert Castillo, Kirby, none of them are top ten this year.

1265
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,200
Speaker 2: Really hard to leave Castillo off specifically, I get three three,

1266
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,240
Speaker 2: four struck out more than ten per nine. It just

1267
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 2: just was was good all year. That one. That's probably

1268
01:01:19,880 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 2: the one that stings the most. Yeah, it doesn't. And

1269
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:26,040
Speaker 2: then Kirby too, I mean in terms of pitcher f ward,

1270
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:29,200
Speaker 2: he was what eleventh in the game, Yeah, three three,

1271
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: five hundred ninety innings. Yeah, it definitely feels bizarre leaving well.

1272
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 2: And I think you can make a really sound case

1273
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,880
Speaker 2: that one of them deserves it over Strider. But I mean,

1274
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 2: their jobs to get to get guys out and when

1275
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 2: Strider's doing it. I mean he won again. I know

1276
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 2: we don't like to talk about like wins losses are

1277
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 2: not that important. The guy went twenty and five this year,

1278
01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 2: and I know he played for the Braves, but it's

1279
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 2: because his bad starts. Brave We're still in it is

1280
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 2: good starts. He single handling won him for him, and

1281
01:01:57,960 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 2: you got to put some value in that. The underlying

1282
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 2: Patricks love him with the second highest staff war in

1283
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 2: the game.

1284
01:02:03,720 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 4: All right, relievers to wrap, I've got my choice of two,

1285
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Speaker 4: but I'm asking you to pick two. Joan Durant, the Twins,

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Speaker 4: David Bednar, the Pirates, Josh Hater, the Padres, Brian Abray,

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Speaker 4: you of the Astros, pick two.

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Speaker 2: Pick two.

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Speaker 4: Hater, Bednar A bray you Durant, what are yours? Hater?

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Speaker 4: And Bednar hater and Bednar hater because he had a

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Speaker 4: one two eight, Like I can't argue with the one

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Speaker 4: two eight. That's insane. Bednar. If I'm not mistaking, Bednar

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Speaker 4: led the National League in saves and this guy shouldered

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Speaker 4: a heavier load than anybody out of a bullpen, like

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Speaker 4: sixty seven innings is crazy, And.

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Speaker 2: I think leverage has to matter too, right, because I'd

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Speaker 2: love to talk about a bruised are Gradol. Yeah, which which.

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Speaker 4: Before this year, which makes me eliminate a Brian A

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Speaker 4: bray you too, because he wasn't closing game like Presley

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Speaker 4: was the closer. Grattarol wasn't the closer. Phillips was like,

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Speaker 4: it's it's tough.

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Speaker 2: I needed Kobe Milner with a one eight two. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, you gotta you gotta talk about the guys

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Speaker 2: that I think we're putting tougher positions. A bray you

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Speaker 2: I I again, this is a little bit of like

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Speaker 2: the recency bias because what he did to close the

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Speaker 2: season out and then what he did in the postseason,

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Speaker 2: it's just hilarious. Like I don't know if I can

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Speaker 2: remember a guy being more unhittable than Brian abray you,

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Speaker 2: Like it was just a joke. And Harris as well.

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Speaker 2: I mean, geez, he's astros relievers. But the names I'm

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Speaker 2: picking from again, who is it?

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Speaker 4: It's it's hater Bednar, Duran a braid.

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Speaker 2: Where's Duran in the e R A conversation here?

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Speaker 4: I think it was like low twos, Oh yeah, there is.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how anyone hits. That motherfucker. I don't

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Speaker 2: understand it.

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Speaker 4: I don't get at how like it's not a zero everything.

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Speaker 2: It should be zero everything. Yeah, I gotta go Bednar. Hater, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: hater at a one two eight Yeah, a one two eight.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm. He's just annoying that you want to like

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Speaker 2: four outs and you know, pitch like back to back

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Speaker 2: days and all that stuff. Yeah, it's got to be

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Speaker 2: Hater and it's got to be Hater and Bednar. I'm

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, which sucks because credit Brian a Bray you credit

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Speaker 4: you want Duran. I think those are two of the

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Speaker 4: I think those guys are are both more unhittable than

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Speaker 4: the other two. Yes, and I would rather have at

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Speaker 4: this point in their careers a Bray you and Duran

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Speaker 4: over Hater and Bednar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but but it important note though, I mean, Josh

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Speaker 2: Hater still still striking out a full batter per nine. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's crazy, it is.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's our second team. Shout out the gold Glovers.

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Speaker 4: I saw the passing tweet came through. I didn't see

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Speaker 4: it yet.

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Speaker 2: I hope literally don't even care. I couldn't care less

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Speaker 2: about goal Glovers now, it's crazy. It was a goal glover.

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Speaker 2: Shut up, he should be. I mean, he's he's insane,

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Speaker 2: Yeah he's but yeah, I guess we'll talk about that.

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Speaker 4: Nathaniel Lowe won a Gold Glove, which is crazy.

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Speaker 2: Like I just it's good for him, Like I I

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Speaker 2: love him as a dude, but this award makes no sense. Well,

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Speaker 2: every link and neat is in the episode description.

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Speaker 4: Get your merch, read arms article on Yoshinoba Yamamoto, and

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Speaker 4: we'll be back with the first team on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, guys.