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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Peanut Tillman and this is the NFL Players Second

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Speaker 2: Acts Podcast with me as always as my trusty co host,

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Speaker 2: Roman Harper. What's up?

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Speaker 1: What's up? You have not called me any weird nicknames today,

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Speaker 1: so it must be at below average day for you.

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Speaker 1: So I'm really excited about our next guest, though. I've

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Speaker 1: got to watch this guy a ton on TV and

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Speaker 1: my wife hates it because she does not watch politics.

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Speaker 1: So you bring the intro, you bring our Geoper super

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Speaker 1: excited about this guy.

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Speaker 2: He's been talking about this guy all day. He was like, man,

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Speaker 2: I forget Tim Brown and all these other casts out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was all right. He was a linebacker for

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Speaker 1: fourth season with the Tennessee Titans, and after football, he

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Speaker 1: became a civil rights attorney. He served three terms in

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Speaker 1: the US House of Representatives for the state of Texas.

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Speaker 1: He was also voted most likely to succeed in high school.

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Speaker 1: Shout out to my man Thomas doing his research on

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Speaker 1: the side. Guys, everybody give a warm welcome to mister

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Speaker 1: Colin already d allright, So did you live up to

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Speaker 1: most likely to succeed.

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Speaker 3: In our own man? So y'all that's a deep cut.

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Speaker 1: I just want to know I didn't win that award,

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Speaker 1: So did I what best all around? I didn't even

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Speaker 1: win most Athletics. I got a class.

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Speaker 2: Clown, I believe, mister athletics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't know if I've done it yet, right,

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm still going. But I was. I

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Speaker 3: was raised by a single mother, and my goal was

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Speaker 3: to be a good father, right, and so among all

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Speaker 3: the things that we talked about, you know, being the

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Speaker 3: rights lawyer, playing the NFL, being in Congress, I think

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Speaker 3: I'm proudest of that. I got two boys who I'm

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Speaker 3: raising the right way, and you know, so to me,

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Speaker 3: that that is success. Right. So I don't know if

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Speaker 3: my high school would have marked that as my as

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Speaker 3: what it would be, but that that makes me feel

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Speaker 3: like I'm doing something right.

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Speaker 2: So if you were in high school, let's go back

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Speaker 2: to high school. If a coach or teacher or principal

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Speaker 2: would have said you're going to be an NFL player,

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Speaker 2: for one person said you're going to be a civil

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Speaker 2: rights attorney, and the other person said you're going to

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Speaker 2: be a congressman. Which one would you have believed?

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Speaker 3: You know, I was class president, right, So I think

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Speaker 3: it might have thought maybe at some point I go

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Speaker 3: into public service. Right. And my mom was a teacher,

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Speaker 3: and she didn't care at all about how I did

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Speaker 3: in sports. She just wanted to see what the report

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Speaker 3: cards said, right, that's right. So she so I think

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Speaker 3: she would have been like, Okay, you're going to go

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Speaker 3: to law school. So I actually think the most unlikely

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Speaker 3: one was to play in the NFL. Really, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean for me, it was not my plan. Uh can

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Speaker 3: talk about this a little bit, but I was. I had,

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Speaker 3: I had applied to law school. An agents started calling

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Speaker 3: me really and saying they wanted to represent me. And

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Speaker 3: I was like, in what you know, like, I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: going to law school. And they're like, no, no, you're gonna

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Speaker 3: have a shot to play in the NFL. And they

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Speaker 3: had to send me my pre draft reports. You believe it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they said it was a likely fifth to seventh round pick.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't like you guys, right, you know, And so

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Speaker 3: they were saying you might even get it in the

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, really, I guess I'll give it

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Speaker 3: just to go try out, you know. And so that

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Speaker 3: was the more unlikely I think of the three.

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Speaker 2: Now, had you already gotten a letter into law school

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Speaker 2: or were you just applying.

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Speaker 3: I was applying, right, because I like the way it works.

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Speaker 3: You take your your l SAT and I took that

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Speaker 3: it goes. And then I took my house, said, and

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Speaker 3: So it was a different big swerve there.

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Speaker 1: So tell me this, were a lot of guys, a

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Speaker 1: were they all going to the NFL because sometimes, like

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Speaker 1: with me when I was at Alabama, we were there

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Speaker 1: So I wasn't in a place where I was thinking,

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Speaker 1: Like it was not like that, and so it's really

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Speaker 1: hard to imagine yourself in those places unless you know

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Speaker 3: Right, we had like one guy who'd been like a

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Speaker 3: undrafted free agent. Like, we just didn't have very many

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Speaker 3: that's a player to my immediate orbit. Like this is

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Speaker 3: rough year as a Baylor, right, And we were playing

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Speaker 3: seem like a likely outcome. And I do think that

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Speaker 3: you're right though, then, having not seen that path. I

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Speaker 3: was just thinking, well, I'll just give my degree, and

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Speaker 3: you know, I'll do my best and then I'll say

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Speaker 3: and go to law school.

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Speaker 1: So all those things all right. Peanut asked you which

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Speaker 1: one you would have chose? Yeah, what did you learn

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Speaker 1: from all these different roles from football to being a

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't know what kind of athletes my

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Speaker 3: you know, and play sports, because for me, everything has

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Speaker 3: And I never really lifted weights, and I was just like,

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Speaker 3: I was just a natural athlete, and that's what I enjoyed.

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Speaker 3: But you know, to me, the determination and the understanding

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Speaker 3: how did you get here? You know, what would you do?

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Speaker 3: And I said, I was just the hardest worker in

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Speaker 3: little differently, right, So I didn't just do the team workouts.

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Speaker 3: I didn't do my own workout. And you know during

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Speaker 3: training camp, you know we'll go three strings deep, right,

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Speaker 3: So I was playing every position. I was practicing more,

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Speaker 3: has put me in good set and everything else. In

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Speaker 3: law school, I wasn't the smartest. I had a neck

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Speaker 3: in law school and I'm sitting there in these classes

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Speaker 3: with all these kids who are younger, seems so younger.

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Speaker 3: I'm six years older than all of them at least,

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Speaker 3: you know. And I've been playing football, and I felt

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Speaker 3: And I thought these they're they're all smarter than me.

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Speaker 3: But I thought, well, you know, I bet I can

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Speaker 3: And I've always been somebody like that where if I

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Speaker 2: Now, how different was it for you going into your

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Speaker 2: second year because you just said special teams. I was

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Speaker 2: you know, Mike will Sam he had played all those positions.

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Speaker 2: Did you do anything like that when you're in when

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Speaker 2: you're in college having to play all through positions? Did

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Speaker 2: you have to work that hard to get what you

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Speaker 2: had to get to Baylor or just even in the league, Like,

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Speaker 2: what what was the difference?

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Speaker 3: Now? I mean in college, I was like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't do that. Don't don't do that, don't do that.

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Speaker 1: That's why that question in there.

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Speaker 2: Like I know that's why he put that question in there,

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Speaker 2: because stop laughing.

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Speaker 1: Stop. I'm not a special team.

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Speaker 2: He didn't play not a damn special teams. I played

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Speaker 2: thirteen years. I played all thirteen years on well I played,

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Speaker 2: I remember you were on. But I played special teams

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Speaker 2: like my whole entire career.

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Speaker 3: And he was just like, yes, stop stop, Sean b

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Speaker 3: you have been good at special teams too. It was

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Speaker 3: never asked me.

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Speaker 1: To say it's overrated. It was. It was not asked me.

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Speaker 3: I never oh man, did it come.

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Speaker 2: Natural for you in college to where you was just like, no,

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Speaker 3: Well you know no, it wasn't. I would have done

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Speaker 3: if they'd ask me, right, but then they were having

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Speaker 3: when I got to the NFL, I just realized it's

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Speaker 3: I can't just be a miclimbacker because you know my

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Speaker 3: value is not gonna be that high there. I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: be as you said, Sam and Will and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: learn every position so that if anybody has a question

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Speaker 3: gonna do every special team. I'm gonna be a core

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Speaker 3: special teamer to where when cut time comes, they're gonna say, well,

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Speaker 3: all Read's dumb and slow. But we can't get rid

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Speaker 3: And we see guys who were talented who bounced around,

432
00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 3: you know, because people don't want to keep them on

433
00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,119
Speaker 3: the team, and we know why oftentimes. Right, it's the

434
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,160
Speaker 3: same thing in the House, and it's the same thing

435
00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:32,399
Speaker 3: in the Congress, where you'll see there's people who are

436
00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 3: actually grinding away trying hard to pass responsible laws to

437
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 3: help people, to help the people they represent, but also

438
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: the country as a whole. And there's some other folks

439
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,399
Speaker 3: who are just out there just you know, just lobbing grenades,

440
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:48,120
Speaker 3: you know, trying to get attention on social media, trying

441
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:49,760
Speaker 3: to go on the on the cable shows and say

442
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: the most outrageous thing they can, right, and they know,

443
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 3: they talk about it that I'm gonna say this, and

444
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:58,280
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get them all riled up, right, and it's

445
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 3: all game for them. Unfortunately, it's not a game for

446
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 3: real people, absolutely, right, you know. And when you grow

447
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 3: up the way I did, you know that these decisions

448
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 3: are going to have a downfill, downhill effect, right, And

449
00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:14,280
Speaker 3: so I figured out that pretty quickly that there was

450
00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: two different types, and I wanted to associate myself with

451
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 3: the working folks who were really putting in that effort.

452
00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 3: And you know, I did the best it could. Yeah,

453
00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,159
Speaker 3: And I think that's that's all I can ask for.

454
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 2: So I know, at one point, I've been to a

455
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,720
Speaker 2: bunch of schools in different classes and things like that,

456
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,520
Speaker 2: and I sit down at these tables and I'm sitting

457
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 2: next to someone who is a Harvard grad and then

458
00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 2: I'm sitting next to someone someone who's a lawyer, and

459
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,200
Speaker 2: I'm just like, man, I'm sitting between these two smart casts.

460
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 2: And then you start they start teaching the the pro

461
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,119
Speaker 2: of the information, and you're like, oh, I got this, Yeah,

462
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:55,840
Speaker 2: that's right, I got I got a ninety five, you

463
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 2: got a ninety four, you got a ninety that's right.

464
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 2: I'm just as smart, that's right, as everybody else. At

465
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 2: what point, yeah, did you realize I'm just as smart

466
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 2: as this legend or this raw person.

467
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,600
Speaker 3: That's right. You know, that's such a good question, brother,

468
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 3: because you know what I remember during your career, I'd

469
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 3: see you sitting on a route, you know, and we

470
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 3: played against the Bears. Actually my old college coach. Brickley

471
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: was a D line coach. Yeah. Remember, Yeah, he was

472
00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,800
Speaker 3: a good, good dude country guy. Yeah, he was definitely.

473
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:36,440
Speaker 2: Always he might have been from Alabama.

474
00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 3: Right, right, And I still remember playing. I still remember

475
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:47,680
Speaker 3: playing when Edrie we were watching tape and uh it

476
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,639
Speaker 3: was because we played the Colts twice a year, right,

477
00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 3: And so Peyton versus Ad and the ball snapped and

478
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 3: you appreciate this, you know, it's too high a safety

479
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 3: look and that doesn't move like the first five seconds

480
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,320
Speaker 3: of the play, and I'm like, why isn't he moving?

481
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: And he's just waiting, waiting, And as soon as as

482
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 3: soon as Peyton comes out like this, he's breaking and

483
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 3: he takes it to the house for six. And what

484
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 3: I'm what I mean by that is we're smart, right,

485
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,320
Speaker 3: these guys, You guys are smart. We were making adjustments

486
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 3: on the fly to a blitz. Right, We're doing two

487
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 3: different coverages on any given play, right, you know, we

488
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: got a blitz coming this way, but if they motioned

489
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,080
Speaker 3: that way, were to change the whole thing. And we're

490
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: doing it on the fly like that, and everybody gets it, right,

491
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 3: and everybody gets it, even Albert Hansworth. Right, I've tapping it,

492
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: get over, get over. But I mean, like we're all

493
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,879
Speaker 3: so like we have that ability. But I think sometimes

494
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: what football players in particular would do is we'll just

495
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: leave it there and say, well, I was good at that.

496
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: It's like, no, you can be good at all those

497
00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,119
Speaker 3: other things too, right, And I do think that it

498
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,439
Speaker 3: took me a little time in law school before I

499
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: realized that where I sit there and thought I'm not

500
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 3: getting this. I was like, why didn't get the defense

501
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,480
Speaker 3: at first? Either, you know what I mean, Like I

502
00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:02,880
Speaker 3: didn't under stand you know, some of the zone concepts

503
00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: concepts that we were doing at first either. But if

504
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 3: you work at it, you will And I do think that,

505
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 3: you know, especially with the athletes, I try and tell them,

506
00:24:10,680 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 3: you know, carry over that determination and that work ethic

507
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 3: to whatever you're doing next. You're gonna be fine. Trust me,

508
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 3: You've been working harder than everybody around you. Because we

509
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,479
Speaker 3: went to school and we did sports in the afternoon,

510
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:23,199
Speaker 3: and then we'd had a game on the weekend, and

511
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 3: then we did our homework, you know what I mean,

512
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 3: And so it took me. I remember, I had a

513
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 3: little bit of an identity crisis coming out of the

514
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 3: league and going to law school, because like I said,

515
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 3: it was so abrupt, like I hurt my neck and

516
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: I was I was in law school very quickly, and

517
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: so it felt just so so fast, and I still

518
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 3: felt like an athlete. And I kind of tell people

519
00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: I felt like I wasn't like a normal person, you

520
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like you know what I mean,

521
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 3: you feel you're walking around.

522
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: I went back to school, so I totally get it right.

523
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 3: You didn't feel like everybody else there. But I did

524
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: finally realize, oh, I just got to treat this like

525
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: it's my playbook, you know, and I just got to

526
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 3: dive into it and it'll be okay to make my

527
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 3: stakes right. And once I figured that out, I thought, actually,

528
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: I think I have an advantage on them, Yeah, because

529
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 3: I've had to do some of this that they haven't

530
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: had to do under pressure. And I do think that,

531
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,679
Speaker 3: you know, and that's how it worked out.

532
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: So you I want to talk about coming in, leaving

533
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: the league, and then going into law school. So you

534
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,159
Speaker 2: hurt your neck, yeah, two thousand I think it was

535
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,959
Speaker 2: two thousand, October of twenty ten. Yeh, you're playing a linebacker.

536
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: I was actually playing Cowboys, right, was it a Mary

537
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 2: and Barber? That's right, Martella's been in. My old teammate

538
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 2: comes through. I don't know what the play was.

539
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 3: The power running play, power running play and pull the guard,

540
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 3: you know yeah, tight end blocks down. Yeah. So I've

541
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 3: been having stingers, yeah, you know, And I mean we

542
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 3: call them stingers, but it's really kind of nerve damage, right,

543
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 3: I mean it's true football. It's funny, you know, it's

544
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 3: it's true your nerves. Nerves is the problem. And so

545
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,879
Speaker 3: I would always be doing like this on the sideland

546
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 3: because once I get a stinger, I couldn't feel my fingers,

547
00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:10,760
Speaker 3: you know. And I remember the first time it happened,

548
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 3: I couldn't close my hand and I was like, this

549
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,640
Speaker 3: is not good, you know. And it had been going

550
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 3: on for about a year and a half. Uh, and

551
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:19,120
Speaker 3: I had missed all of training camp pretty much because

552
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 3: I had had a severe stinger. And I was just

553
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 3: I was really happy that they had kept me because

554
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 3: my fifth years, well fourth year playing a fifth year

555
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,560
Speaker 3: with them, uh, you know, as an undrafted guy. But

556
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 3: they still thought I had the value, you know, and

557
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,439
Speaker 3: so I was it was our fifth game and it

558
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 3: had just been bothering me the whole year, and I

559
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: did have a bad feeling about it going into the

560
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,040
Speaker 3: game because my family was going to be there, and

561
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 3: I thought this would be really bad. It was my

562
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: last game. And then Martellos was blocking me into the tackle,

563
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: so I made the tackle. But for me, I was

564
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 3: getting stingers when I had a certain way, My head

565
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,160
Speaker 3: was a certain way, and so it went that way

566
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: and it just shut down my whole right side and

567
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,000
Speaker 3: it was it was like it was on fire. And

568
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 3: Martellas was actually on top of me and the bile

569
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: and he was like, are you okay? And I was

570
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 3: like I don't. I don't think so, you know. And

571
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: after the game, my mom came up to me and

572
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 3: she was like, so what about next week? And I

573
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: was like, I don't think it's gonna be in next week, mom,

574
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: because I think I need to get this this looked

575
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: at and so we had the MRI and everything, and

576
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 3: it showed what I thought I showed, you know, which

577
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 3: was a bulging disk pressing on the nerve. I had

578
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: some bone spurs in the nerve canal, so my nerve

579
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 3: was kind of snaking its way out. So every time

580
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: I did this, I could give myself a stamper, you know,

581
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: and they said, you're gonna need a surgery, and so

582
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,040
Speaker 3: I got the surgery. But that was the year of

583
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: the lockout, yeah, and we had so we didn't have

584
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,920
Speaker 3: an off season program and I so you couldn't rehab there, right,

585
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: So I was crewhabbing at home, working on my own

586
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 3: and I decided to just go ahead and reapply to

587
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 3: law school. And then the Titans didn't re up me.

588
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 3: I my contract had expired that and they didn't resign me.

589
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: But the Vikings called and they basically offered, if you

590
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 3: want to come and try and make the team, you can.

591
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: You know, it's one of those kind of like one

592
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,439
Speaker 3: year and show if you still can make it. But

593
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: I kind of felt like a linebacker of the bad neck,

594
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 3: a little bit like a pianist or a bad hand,

595
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 3: you know, like it's not really all the word. Yeah,

596
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 3: And my aunt again was like you've already had the neck,

597
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 3: what else is it going to take? And I was like, well, okay,

598
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: she's right, And so I decided to go to law school.

599
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,639
Speaker 3: And so that was that was how it went, you know,

600
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 3: and I felt at peace with it though I really did,

601
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 3: because I had proved that I could play in the league,

602
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 3: which I wanted to prove, and I felt like I

603
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 3: had started games in the league, I had played in

604
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 3: playoff games, like none of that has been guaranteed to me,

605
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 3: you know, and I didn't want to have something worse

606
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: happened to where, you know, my life afterwards would be impacted.

607
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: I want to know this because you talked about feeling

608
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: comfortable in these spaces, and you've been in a lot

609
00:28:55,560 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 1: of really cool rooms where there's NFL being a lawyer

610
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,560
Speaker 1: or an attorney to where you know where now you

611
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: served our country as a congressman as well. At what point,

612
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: because you didn't feel comfortable in any of these rooms

613
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: at first? Yeah, at what point or how did you

614
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: learn to give yourself grace to be able to give

615
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 1: you enough time to all of a sudden feel comfortable.

616
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I think that's one thing is a lot of males

617
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: we struggle with, is you know, we do a lot

618
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: of self blaming, a lot of beating our own selves down.

619
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: And at some point you got to be able to

620
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 1: give yourself grace to be able to mess up.

621
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 2: That's right, pick myself up and continue.

622
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: That's so and so, how have you been able to

623
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 1: do that and at all these different points in your life.

624
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 3: That's such a good point point because I can still

625
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 3: tell your mistakes I made my sophomore year in college,

626
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 3: you know, the play, the down, the distance, everything, you know.

627
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 3: I can tell you what you know, how I messed

628
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: up that and coverage right, you know. And I think

629
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 3: that's natural for us. We're self critical. Uh, we have

630
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: a lot of accountability in our sport, which we're gonna

631
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: watch the tape the next day and everybody's gonna see it, right.

632
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 3: Coach might even put it on in front of everybody,

633
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 3: you know, laser point, you know. And I do think

634
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 3: that I learned just to kind of sit in my

635
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: uncertainty and to not react to everything and to kind

636
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: of let it come to me. And I kind of

637
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: think about it like in baseball, where if you're just

638
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,440
Speaker 3: trying to find your pitch right, and you might not

639
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 3: swing at the first one, you might not like the

640
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 3: off speed stuff, but then you know the pitch is

641
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 3: gonna come to you, and then that's when you swing right.

642
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 3: And you have to be confident enough in yourself to

643
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: think that's not my pitch, right. I could throw myself

644
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: into that, but I don't know as much about it

645
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 3: as i'd like to. I'm gonna come back to that, right,

646
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 3: I'm gonna wait for the right opportunity. And I think

647
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: that's something that with maturity is kind of I've arrived

648
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,960
Speaker 3: at where I don't feel anymore I have to prove

649
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: anything anybody, you know, And I'm sure you guys feel

650
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 3: the same way. Like I've done the hardest things I

651
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 3: could do, right, and if you don't like it, that's fine.

652
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't have to prove anything to you, right, Uh.

653
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 3: And I do think for young people, for athletes, we

654
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 3: spent our whole lives, you know, being on uh you're

655
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 3: working at something and being under so much scrutiny that

656
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: we think that everything in life is gonna be like that,

657
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: and it's not. We've already been through the most scrutinized

658
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 3: thing you're gonna do, right. I Mean, I remember had

659
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 3: a whine lineber coach would on the on the first

660
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 3: first play, He'd always look at your first step, right,

661
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 3: He'd say, why do you step that way? And he'd

662
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 3: rewind it forward, rewind it for of you stepping this way,

663
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,240
Speaker 3: stepping this way, stepping this way one hundred times.

664
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: Like, why are we watching that already?

665
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: You saw it, it was yesterday, you know, But they're

666
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 3: trying to drill those details into you, and I just

667
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 3: think that, uh, we've we've done that, so there's nothing

668
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: else that we can't do, right, And so you just

669
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 3: got to be comfortable with it and sitting that uncertainty

670
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 3: and say, come away from my pitch.

671
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: You're an awesome attorney. You're a great civil rights attorney,

672
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: you got slaw degree, and you're helping people. At what

673
00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: point did you decide to get into politics verse is

674
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: just helping people in the courtroom.

675
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it was when I started to feel

676
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: like I couldn't do enough just as a lawyer, that

677
00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 3: I was still having to apply the law instead of

678
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: helping him make it. Yeah, and that if the law

679
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 3: was being written unfairly, that there's nothing I could do

680
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: to overcome it, you know. And so I started to

681
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: feel like that, Okay, well maybe an inter ticket this

682
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: is a step further, and see what we can do

683
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 3: about getting the law in the right place from the beginning.

684
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 3: And I'll be honest with you, I'm just not a

685
00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: very political person, like I'm not very partisan. I think

686
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 3: a lot of athletes were not. You know, we don't.

687
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: I would vote for anybody who I think I share

688
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: values with and who I appreciate, right, you know, but

689
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 3: politics is you know what I mean, And so I've

690
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 3: always been a little bit mismatched with that right to

691
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 3: where you got to run in in a setting in which, yeah,

692
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 3: in which it's very delineated and divided up right, And

693
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 3: that's not my personality. But I do think there are

694
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,000
Speaker 3: people out there who that's what they're looking for, that

695
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 3: they also don't wake up every day thinking about things

696
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,760
Speaker 3: from a Democratic or Republican perspective, but from their own

697
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 3: family's perspective. I think they're out there, and I think

698
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 3: they're hoping that there'll be a return to people who

699
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 3: are thinking about them first instead of just whatever the

700
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: partisan issue of the moment is. Right. And so actually,

701
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 3: once I got elected, that helped me be more effective

702
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: in Congress because my Republican colleague sense that I didn't

703
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: think that they were the devil, you know, that I

704
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: wasn't going to try and you know, put them on blast,

705
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 3: and that they could work with me and that we

706
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 3: could actually get things done. And so I ended up

707
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: being the most bipartisan Texan in the entire Congress, and

708
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 3: that just was to me, that was just about trying

709
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 3: to get things done. Right. I still have my values

710
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 3: and I'm not going to sacrifice those, right, but not

711
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 3: everything has to be a fight, right at some point,

712
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 3: training camp in at some point, and then become the

713
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: same team, and then we're on the same team exactly, right,

714
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 3: you know, like, yes, we competed hard, but now we're

715
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 3: on the same team, and the other teams are around

716
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,439
Speaker 3: the country, around the world, as I see it, right,

717
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 3: and we gotta look out for team you know, America. Right.

718
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 3: I just think, unfortunately, and I say this all time,

719
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,600
Speaker 3: I wish that every member of Congress had played team sports,

720
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 3: because not all of them did. And it's very evident.

721
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: You know, I can only imagine when you get in

722
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: that room because the same exactly the example that you

723
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: gave about. You know, I just couldn't do enough. I

724
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: didn't feel like I was being able to help enough people,

725
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,799
Speaker 1: you know, me and my boys joke. But that's how

726
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,479
Speaker 1: villains are created. Yeah, you know what I mean, not wrong,

727
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean that's how that's how villains are creating.

728
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: It's like, man, I can't.

729
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 3: It's like it's like kill Monger, Right, Bruce Wayne became

730
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 3: Batman because he was just like something happened to his

731
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 3: parents and you just go over and next thing, you know,

732
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 3: And so.

733
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 1: How what would you tell the average listener of view

734
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: that has that that's what they think every congress person is.

735
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:06,720
Speaker 1: They have a bad taste in everybody in our government

736
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 1: right now. They think they're all. They see them all

737
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: the same, they're all And I don't believe that that's right?

738
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: And so what would you do to help me sell

739
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: to everybody else that they're not.

740
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we got to fix the kind of

741
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 3: the incentive structure. What's the incentive structure we have as athletes? Right,

742
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: we work hard, we're going to see that show up

743
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 3: on the field and a win in our pocketbook in

744
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: terms of what the money we're able to make, what

745
00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 3: we're able to provide for our family. Right, and so

746
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 3: we then think I'm gonna work even harder. You think

747
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 3: you saw me work hard, I'm gonna show you I

748
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 3: can do even more. But the incentive structure has gotten

749
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 3: now to where we're not incentivizing public servants. And you

750
00:35:48,520 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 3: know that we want to see people, you know, reach

751
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 3: across the aisle and lower the temperature and not pit

752
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 3: people against each other. We're given the most attention to,

753
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 3: you know, the loudest voices and the ones who are

754
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:01,280
Speaker 3: sometimes the most destructive.

755
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: That's on both sides.

756
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 3: It's on both sides, absolutely one percent. So I would

757
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 3: just say that to everybody, you know, incentivize what you

758
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 3: want to see, like, reward what you want to see,

759
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: you know, support the people who are trying to not

760
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 3: be part of the problem, right, and if you don't

761
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 3: like it, get involved. You know. President Bama used to

762
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 3: tell us that the most important office in the country

763
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: isn't president or senator or congressman, it's citizen. Right. Democracy

764
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 3: is not a spectator sport. You're not watching two teams

765
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: play it out. You're actually one of the players on

766
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 3: the field, right, And you can either choose to sit

767
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 3: it out or you can get involved. And I know

768
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 3: it's and I know it's ugly. I mean, I you know,

769
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 3: trust me, I know it is. Like you know, my

770
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 3: last campaign it called me everything but the Son of God, right,

771
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: you know, but so I get it. But uh, we

772
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: can check out. Because I had a coach who used

773
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,319
Speaker 3: to always say and I never knew that I said

774
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 3: what he meant. Really, when all the good and leave,

775
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 3: all we have left is a badons because they're not

776
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 3: leaving right, you know what I mean? So you can't

777
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: check out? And I would just say, you know, I

778
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 3: just think it's still within reach for us to fix this, right.

779
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 3: And we're a great country. We got a lot of

780
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 3: great people, y'all know through your own charitable work. You know,

781
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: like these unsung heroes, people are doing amazing things in

782
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: their community. Right you come across them and you think,

783
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 3: this is an incredible person. You should be lifting this

784
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 3: person up. Right, More people should know about this. That's

785
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: who we are, right And I think we just have

786
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: to incentivize what we want to see and fix this

787
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 3: kind of structure that we have right now, where you know,

788
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: the worst things get the most attention.

789
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 2: Is that hard to do? In the sense of specifically

790
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: speaking about the running your campaign? Is it hard? Like

791
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:46,920
Speaker 2: you came into this room, Oh pena wants a room?

792
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: Was like we dab each other up, we kick it,

793
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: we cool, we eat steaks, we play golf. But I'm

794
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 2: a Republican, your Democratic vice versus whatever, and we get

795
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 2: in front of the camera.

796
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 1: And now it's like, well Collins.

797
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 2: You know, Colin slept with seventy two women his first

798
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 2: year and now he's.

799
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: Trying to be a son of you know, he had

800
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: he he loves abortion. He's had seventeen.

801
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,799
Speaker 2: And then the campaign's over and it's like, oh man,

802
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 2: that was great. You want to grab a beer and

803
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: we all buddy, buddy.

804
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,800
Speaker 1: We friends now like to me, that has had happened.

805
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: It happens all the time. But I just don't know,

806
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: like I don't even know.

807
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 2: My question is because it's so frustrating to see how.

808
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: The showhorse and they're just so.

809
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,040
Speaker 2: Rah rah rah rah rah. I'm saying, really, now, you

810
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: want to be my friend, but you put me on

811
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 2: blast and you're making all this stuff up. It's a

812
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:46,319
Speaker 2: little difficult, is it to be around that atmosphere or

813
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: that culture.

814
00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 3: It's tough, man, It's tough because because you don't.

815
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: You don't strike me as you strike me. It's just like, hey, look,

816
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm here to do a job. I want to do

817
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 2: my job. I want to do what's right. If I

818
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 2: side with the Democrats, cool, if I side with the Republicans,

819
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: and it makes its cool let's get the job done.

820
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 2: Like you you're very just black or white. This is

821
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: what it is. Let is get it done.

822
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: I mean, what are we really doing, Like we're funding

823
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 3: like roads and bridges and like the military and like

824
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: health insurance or people like this is not you're not

825
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: having like your culture war, right, you know what I mean,

826
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: like would leave that you know out. But I agree

827
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 3: with you, man, I think you'd see these people who

828
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,760
Speaker 3: had been a part of who campaigned with your opponent

829
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: or something, and then they want to come and talk

830
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 3: to you, and it's like, you know, I saw what

831
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: you said, you know what I mean. But I also

832
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: would think to me at least, and I think some

833
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 3: people take it much more personally. I think what they

834
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: really wanted was the power, right. They didn't really care

835
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 3: about me. I was in the way of them getting

836
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 3: that power, right, and that would kind of free me

837
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 3: from seeing it as personal. I do think that some

838
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: things that would cross the line at times, and you

839
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 3: know how we are, like don't across the line, right.

840
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 3: But by and large, most of what I've experienced has

841
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 3: just been a bunch of nonsense, right, Like you know,

842
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 3: like just kind of like make up stuff. It's not,

843
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 3: and it's like, okay, you're just trying to get power.

844
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: And I can at least put that into a kind

845
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 3: of a side bucket and say, I'm not gonna we're

846
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 3: not gonna be friends, right, like we're not gonna be cool,

847
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 3: but we can work together, yeah, you know. And I

848
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 3: that's one thing that is different of course about football,

849
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 3: like you know, and especially in the league, like yeah,

850
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: I would. I would just never try and hurt one

851
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: of our guys, right like I might be playing with

852
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 3: them next week, you know. And I would see some

853
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 3: guys who were I thought, we're trying to do that,

854
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,399
Speaker 3: and I think, what are you doing? Like we're playing

855
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,160
Speaker 3: a sport like we are professionals. We're not trying to

856
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 3: take people out, you know what I mean. And of

857
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 3: course we're aggressive, of course we want to put that

858
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,839
Speaker 3: big hit on you. But okay, come on, get up,

859
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 3: get up, let's go, you know. And I think that politics,

860
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: as I said, is gotten to a place to where

861
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 3: it's all about just pushing an agenda. IN said about

862
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 3: the people. And if we can get it back a

863
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 3: little bit more, and I know it's not gonna it's

864
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 3: not really possible to just reset things then you can

865
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: just have a slign adjustment to where people feel like

866
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 3: it's more about the people than the politicians. Then I

867
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,800
Speaker 3: think you'll see people be less cynical and more interested too,

868
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: and that I think will help the whole democracy.

869
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: So I got to know this because you've brought up campaigning. Yeah,

870
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 1: number one, are you running for the USC in twenty

871
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 1: twenty six?

872
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah?

873
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:40,280
Speaker 1: Number two. What is the hardest part about campaigning for you?

874
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: Or is it harder on your family? Because I can

875
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: only imagine that's right, like what gets heard and told

876
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: to the kids, which is what you said you're most

877
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: proud of. Yeah, so far as being a father your

878
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: most best accomplishment.

879
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 3: That's right. The truth is I haven't decided, okay on

880
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 3: the center run and I've been like, yeah, that's right,

881
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 3: you did good, you did good. I've been like the

882
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: primary parent, you know, since I left the Congress. And

883
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: because my wife's a lawyer, she's way smarter than me.

884
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 3: You know, I all kicked my coverage, you know what

885
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 3: I mean, like like a lot of us, we all did, yeah, exactly,

886
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 3: and uh. And so I've just been just loving my

887
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 3: time with my boys, that's all. And because every election season.

888
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 3: We can't watch TV, you know why because every commercial

889
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 3: is gonna be about me, right, you know. Yes, And

890
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 3: then they messed up because then they started being on

891
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: YouTube too, so we couldn't even watch YouTube, you know.

892
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, man, we're gonna pop up.

893
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:38,319
Speaker 1: Yeah.

894
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: It's like, man, there's no safe have it, you know.

895
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,200
Speaker 3: And my boys like, oh, I see data, you know,

896
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: And I'm like, that's an attack. AD don't look so

897
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 3: yeah right right? Uh. And so the hardest part for me, though,

898
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 3: there's the time away from the kids, you know. And

899
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 3: I went five weeks in the last campaign without seeing

900
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:01,120
Speaker 3: my kids, and that was hard for me. You're just

901
00:43:01,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 3: all over, just traveling, and it just didn't work out

902
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 3: with I couldn't get back to see him, and you know,

903
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 3: and I that was hard for me, and I and

904
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do that again. That was as long as

905
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 3: I've gone without seeing them. But I mean, the real

906
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,439
Speaker 3: work is being done by my wife at home where

907
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 3: she's largely a single parent, while I'm out campaigning. And

908
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 3: we do this together though. We decided to run together,

909
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 3: and so it's it's a partnership and she believes in

910
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 3: what we're doing and she knows that this is her

911
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 3: way of serving too, right, is that she's gonna make

912
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 3: sure that these kids are getting to school and getting

913
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 3: their meals and getting their paths in and all that.

914
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 3: And so you know that to me, I think, since

915
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 3: a group without a father, that's been the one thing

916
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: I constantly think, Am I balancing this right? Right? You

917
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: know what I mean? And I think if I'd had

918
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: kids in the LEGA would have felt the same way, like,

919
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 3: am I balancing this right? Because I was so obsessed, yeah,

920
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: in the league, Like you know, you go home and

921
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 3: watching and you know at that time tape you know,

922
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,280
Speaker 3: uh film, I mean, but and you come in, I'm

923
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,960
Speaker 3: the first one of the building, you know, when the

924
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: last one is leaving, right, That's how I made it,

925
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,479
Speaker 3: you know. But I didn't have kids at the time,

926
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:15,720
Speaker 3: you know, And so now I do. And I'm constantly

927
00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 3: think of my balancing this right, because when I'm when

928
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:21,439
Speaker 3: I when I finally go, I don't think the first

929
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 3: thing on at least for me that I think. The

930
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 3: last thing I think I think about is going to

931
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 3: be the campaigns and the hands I shook or whatever

932
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 3: it's going to be about my family, you know, And

933
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 3: I just I don't want to regret that, and I

934
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: think I'm getting it right. But I'm constantly making that calculation.

935
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 3: It's constantly exactly exactly right.

936
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 2: We're gonna take a short break and we'll be right back.

937
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: I got a sidebar question. Let's do it when when

938
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,439
Speaker 2: you when you shake hands and you shake you hands

939
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: and kissing babies, when you shake a white guys saying

940
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: is it is it like this? Hey as a going

941
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: shake your vote, and then when there's a black guy

942
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: just like.

943
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: Bring it in right here? Is there any of that

944
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: going on? The best person to ever do it? Though?

945
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 3: You know what? You know what the peanut I think,

946
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: I actually think it's just that's the way they put

947
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 3: their hand out. Okay, Yeah, I'm just saying put it

948
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 3: on you start like this, Yes, but there'll be some

949
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 3: straight out, there'll be some some guys with some flavor

950
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: to them, you know what I mean, And they'll come

951
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: in like that too, like all right, we're good, let's go.

952
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh. I love that.

953
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:45,640
Speaker 2: So obviously playing football, I had my kids when I played,

954
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,160
Speaker 2: and the majority of my kids were born during the season,

955
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 2: so it made it kind of hard for me to

956
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: stay up all night and do the night feedings and whatnot.

957
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 2: And players aren't getting paternity to leave, like it's tiny

958
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 2: to date, Like, no, you don't get off on Thanksgiving.

959
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: You know, you're working on Christmas? Yes, you're working.

960
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 3: That's right.

961
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 2: They don't care.

962
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: Is it true.

963
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: Were you the first congressman to take paternity Yeah?

964
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: I was.

965
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 2: That's dope.

966
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 3: It's funny you said my first start was on Christmas.

967
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:17,920
Speaker 3: That's my first ever story. I did. Sit there, you know,

968
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,319
Speaker 3: I'm out here with the data, Thomin said, and they're like, lt,

969
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 3: he's from Waco, you know. Anyway. Uh, No, I was

970
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 3: the first one to ever take paternity leave, which is

971
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 3: really weird because I did it.

972
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 2: Oh, they didn't have it.

973
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,320
Speaker 3: No, I just I just took it. You just took it. Yeah.

974
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm my own boss, you know what

975
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 3: I mean? Like my boss is the people, Right. So

976
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 3: I wrote a op ed and the Dallas More News

977
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 3: saying this is what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna take

978
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: some time to be with my child. Uh And I

979
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 3: think every man should because there's there's a lot of

980
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 3: research out there actually about this. It says that when

981
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: men have time with their babies, it's better outcomes for

982
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:59,359
Speaker 3: the man themselves, for their children and for their spouses. Right,

983
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 3: there's more sharing of the workload, but they also get

984
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:06,560
Speaker 3: an appreciation for their child and it's really important bonding time, right,

985
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 3: And I wanted to I was working on trying to

986
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 3: make sure that everybody in the country could have paid

987
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: leave time to take off to be with their family, right,

988
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 3: And that was what And it was actually working with

989
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 3: the Trump administration at the time. Ivanka Trump was interested

990
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 3: in this, and I went to the White House. Didn't

991
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 3: event with her, you know, Democrat there, but hey, they're

992
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 3: trying to work on what I wanted to work on,

993
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 3: So let's do it. You know, we're here. And so

994
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 3: I wrote an up ed and I was worried a

995
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 3: little bit, but the reaction was going to be real

996
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 3: negative and so well, you didn't have the baby, you

997
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 3: know what I mean, like what you need time off for.

998
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: But it was very positive. It was very positive, and

999
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 3: people would come up to me and say thank you

1000
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: so much for highlighting you know, men's working this, for

1001
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 3: men's role in this, and I was. I was really

1002
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 3: impressed by it because I think there were a lot

1003
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 3: of people who in some ways in their professions, even

1004
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:56,399
Speaker 3: though it's not football, might feel like they can't take

1005
00:47:56,400 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 3: time off too, right, but they want to. And I

1006
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,919
Speaker 3: think we have to build kind of a culture where

1007
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: it's expected that an addition to your family like this

1008
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 3: is a big disruption. You're gonna be a better worker

1009
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:10,759
Speaker 3: if you've had time to get that right before you

1010
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: come back to work, right. And companies that do this

1011
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 3: see more productivity from their workers, they retain their workers better.

1012
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 3: It's a good idea. It's a idea, right, you know.

1013
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 3: And actually every country developed country in the world has

1014
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 3: some formulist except for us, right, So it's something we

1015
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 3: should do. But I was surprised the press had to

1016
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 3: tell me I was the first because I didn't. I

1017
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 3: wasn't trying to be the first. I just thought, well,

1018
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:36,360
Speaker 3: you know, let's just do it. And the reaction, like

1019
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 3: I said, was surprising.

1020
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think my dad took time off. That's

1021
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 2: why we're not close. He doesn't like me, Dad. I'm joking.

1022
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 2: Th was a joke.

1023
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: We'll call it, man, dude. We I kind of want

1024
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: to ask one more and to let you get the

1025
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: last one. Is that okay?

1026
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 2: Yes, it's okay. Thomas didn't say nothing.

1027
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: Okay, good, Well we're just not going to have a

1028
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: lot of Congress people and like we don't get to

1029
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: do this. I'm over it. Take it, take it, thank you,

1030
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So what has what when you when

1031
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: you were in the Congress and what when did you

1032
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: see somebody? Were you? And I don't want you don't

1033
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: have to say names, please don't please don't let us guess.

1034
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:23,719
Speaker 1: But did you ever see like man that was like real.

1035
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 3: Theater, like were you impressed?

1036
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: Were you like wow?

1037
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: Like?

1038
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: And then maybe somebody because you know in football you

1039
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: see somebody ahead of you that does something like, dude,

1040
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:33,840
Speaker 1: I need to model my game.

1041
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:35,359
Speaker 3: After That's right, that's right, that's right.

1042
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: Could you get could I get one of each of

1043
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: those examples?

1044
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's such a good that's good. Bro. Uh

1045
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 3: So one time and I won't say the name, but

1046
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: I kind of want to, but say it. So Matt Gates,

1047
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:52,640
Speaker 3: uh huh uh. He's on the House floor and he's

1048
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 3: talking to some this other Republican and he said, that's

1049
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 3: why you're not going to be in the A block tonight.

1050
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: What does that mean? You do TV? You know what

1051
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 3: this means? A block is the first part of the show, right,

1052
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 3: that's also the part of the show if you're on

1053
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 3: a political show where you're the star of the night right.

1054
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: And he said, well, that's why you're He's like talking

1055
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 3: smack to this other guy, being like, that's why you

1056
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,719
Speaker 3: ain't gonna be on the A block tonight, right, And

1057
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 3: I will. You know, I did look at this stunt

1058
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 3: that I did, right, you know. And so they're actually

1059
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 3: thinking about how could I get this attention. It's not

1060
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 3: about if it's a good idea to do or not, right,

1061
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: you know, it's just now, this is why this is

1062
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 3: how IM gonna get that chance theater. It's just theater.

1063
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 3: And I was like, wow, you're really here for that.

1064
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 3: I don't think it's worth it, you know what I mean,

1065
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 3: Like the pay you ain't worth it, Like the travel

1066
00:50:43,400 --> 00:50:46,760
Speaker 3: is worth it. I think that would be a strange

1067
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: decision to make, you know. But then there are also

1068
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: people you'd see who would take a principal stand on

1069
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 3: something and even though it's going to be tough for

1070
00:50:56,680 --> 00:51:01,919
Speaker 3: them or really even at least politically for them to say,

1071
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,759
Speaker 3: I'm not I'm not cool with that. And I saw

1072
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 3: that from Liz Cheney, another Republican. On January sixth, the

1073
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,719
Speaker 3: mob was attacking the Capitol. You know, I'm the only

1074
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 3: former NFL linebacker in the room. Everybody's like, what do

1075
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,719
Speaker 3: you go do college? Like, you know, I'm like, okay, well,

1076
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, so I took up by a suit jacket.

1077
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 3: I'm like, I guess I'll hold this door, y'all try

1078
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 3: and get out that one. This is real, yeah, you.

1079
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 1: Know, And why did we not ask him about this yet?

1080
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 3: And I'm you know, because I remember several people were like,

1081
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 3: I'm behind you, like, okay, I would do that's a

1082
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: good dow a lot of good you know. I could

1083
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 3: take out one or two at a time. That's about it.

1084
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 3: And we got out of there thanks to the bravery

1085
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: of the police that day. And some of a lot

1086
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 3: of them were hurt real bad. And I knew some

1087
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 3: of those guys because they defend us, and you know,

1088
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:53,319
Speaker 3: you know, we got relationships with our security folks, and

1089
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 3: and so we got into this room and Liz Chaney

1090
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,600
Speaker 3: came up to me and the King Jefferies, and she said,

1091
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: we need to we need to impeach tomorrow for this.

1092
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 3: She's a Republican. This is death for her politically speaking.

1093
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 3: She didn't care and she didn't change on that. She

1094
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: lost her Lex election because of that, but she didn't

1095
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: change the whole time, and she kept saying the same thing,

1096
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 3: which is, I'm a Republican. I'm conservative as anybody. My

1097
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 3: dad is Dick Cheney, you know what I mean. Like,

1098
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: you find somebody more conservative.

1099
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:28,239
Speaker 1: And don't find it voted on in their career, right

1100
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 1: reflected you know.

1101
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: Like in the Dave Chappelle's get were playing against Prince

1102
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:34,200
Speaker 3: you like, find them, I'll show I'll beat them too,

1103
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 3: you know, she was like, find them, find somebody working, serr,

1104
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: you go find them, right, right, She's like, but what

1105
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 3: I don't agree with is this that we're gonna have

1106
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:43,280
Speaker 3: you mob attack in the capital and trying to overturn

1107
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,399
Speaker 3: elections that I can't. I can't go with you on that.

1108
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: And I saw that. And you think there's something worse

1109
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 3: than losing an election. That's losing your dignity. Right. You

1110
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 3: can lose an election, just don't lose your your spirit,

1111
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 3: your soul, dignity, right, And so there's examples of both. Nice.

1112
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,839
Speaker 3: I appreciate that. Thanks, that's the first time I told

1113
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 3: that story. By the way, it's.

1114
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 2: A great story you told. So last last question, Mount Rushmore. Yeah,

1115
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 2: you get four people of influence from the time you

1116
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 2: were born till today. Who would those four people be.

1117
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,160
Speaker 3: I'd love to know y'all's But I mean my mom,

1118
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,000
Speaker 3: you know, she it was tough, right, Like we don't

1119
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 3: pay our teachers enough, right, I agree, you know, And

1120
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 3: she's working full time as a teacher and still having

1121
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 3: to pick up a second job, you know, and like

1122
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 3: that's this is not right, right, you know. And that's

1123
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,560
Speaker 3: something I just carried with me always is these teachers

1124
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,799
Speaker 3: are taking care of our kids. And we can all

1125
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 3: think about our favorite teacher when you close your eyes

1126
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:43,839
Speaker 3: and he or she was important to you in in

1127
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 3: some way in your life. And then we're not, you know,

1128
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 3: we're not treating them right right when they retire, the

1129
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,360
Speaker 3: retirement isn't good enough, right. So my mom, you know,

1130
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 3: she put in those hard years and you know I

1131
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: helped buy her a house when I was you know,

1132
00:53:57,680 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 3: so I helped she had rented the house for twenty

1133
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 3: years that I helped her buy. Right. I got to

1134
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,400
Speaker 3: the league, and that's something I'm proud of. I had

1135
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,239
Speaker 3: a principal who just for for whatever reason, she had

1136
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: crossed over from middle school to high school with me.

1137
00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 3: So she had me for six years as and you know,

1138
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 3: I was class president, but I was also a little

1139
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 3: bit of goofball.

1140
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: Uh And did she drive you to school?

1141
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:27,359
Speaker 3: No? She did, Okay, moms in school, I would take

1142
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:29,279
Speaker 3: so I had I took the bus or I had

1143
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 3: it like a carpool thing. Okay, yeah. But my principal

1144
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: it was Vicky Richie. And I got to see her

1145
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,720
Speaker 3: again the other a few months ago, uh at church,

1146
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 3: and she still looked the same. Actually, but she had

1147
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 3: me for six years, and she usually give me a

1148
00:54:42,760 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 3: look sometimes when I was acting up. Miss Richie saw,

1149
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 3: you know, and she, I mean, she was somebody who

1150
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 3: I just didn't want to disappoint, you know what I mean.

1151
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 3: And she was one of these, you know, kind of

1152
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:57,799
Speaker 3: strong black women who just kind of made you feel like,

1153
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 3: all right, I'm I'm what I I do. I can't

1154
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 3: get on Miss Richie's bad side. And I really think

1155
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 3: that part of why I'm here is because Miss Richie. Right,

1156
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:10,719
Speaker 3: you know, I got to give Coach mac who's my

1157
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:17,000
Speaker 3: coach Magott at Titans, who was my linebacker. Coach Dave

1158
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 3: McInnis is his full name, but we always called him

1159
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 3: coach mac. You know. He he believed in me when

1160
00:55:25,880 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 3: you know, I think no one else did. And he

1161
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 3: saw some value in me. And he wasn't like the

1162
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: mentor type. He wouldn't say as much to you, but

1163
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 3: then he sometimes he would do things that you just

1164
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 3: knew how much he cared, you know, and it made

1165
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 3: you feel like, Okay, I'm you know, you can run

1166
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,719
Speaker 3: through a wall for this guy, right. Uh. And he

1167
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: was funny as anything. I mean, the film room was hilarious.

1168
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: You know, he get that laser pointer and just anything

1169
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: you would be And he would use me sometimes to

1170
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 3: tell like Keith Bullock what to do because I would

1171
00:56:01,160 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: be like behind Keith, you know.

1172
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: Yes they all do. Yeah, I mean I go coach

1173
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 1: at the vent I coached the VET by talking to the.

1174
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,040
Speaker 3: Talking to the guy. Right. But you see you see

1175
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 3: this college like he's talking to Keith, he talking to

1176
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,600
Speaker 3: you know, talking to me, you know, but he you know,

1177
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 3: he gave me a shot and I really appreciate that.

1178
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: And the last one there was a counsel at the YMCA.

1179
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 3: I went to after school care program, right so I

1180
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:27,719
Speaker 3: go to school in elementary. My mom couldn't get me

1181
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 3: till later. So I went after school and there was

1182
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:34,359
Speaker 3: a six foot six inch former college basketball player named

1183
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 3: Derek Smith who was a counselor at the Y. And

1184
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be just like him, you know.

1185
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, seven, eight nine, I didn't

1186
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 3: know my dad, right, and I just thought this is

1187
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 3: that would be the coolest thing ever, just be able

1188
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 3: to dunk, you know, Like I was like, he'd just

1189
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:50,719
Speaker 3: be out there dunking on us, you know. And he

1190
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: was a good athlete, you know, and I was like,

1191
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: this is exactly what I want to be. And we

1192
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: stayed friends. I've met him. I think I met Derek

1193
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,239
Speaker 3: I was eight or nine. We're still friends right now, right,

1194
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 3: we still text, right, And uh, he was in my

1195
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 3: when I first ran for congress. It was in my

1196
00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: launch video, like you the video when I launched my campaign.

1197
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:13,360
Speaker 3: And you know, I'm he never made any money but

1198
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:15,160
Speaker 3: work at the Y m c A right, you know,

1199
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,960
Speaker 3: but it meant a lot to me. Yeah, you know. Uh,

1200
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 3: and I did finally get the dunk at one point

1201
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,600
Speaker 3: there it is, I can't do it anymore. I don't

1202
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 3: know about you wrote.

1203
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 2: I'm still dunking at forty four.

1204
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: I played pick up. I'm still dunking pick up like

1205
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: six months ago. Bro, I'm not dunking no more.

1206
00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a finger roll guy. Figure out.

1207
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: I have a figure out, Okay, man, figure guy.

1208
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. So that's my that's my right, Mat Rushmore.

1209
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: That's a good man.

1210
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: That is man.

1211
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 2: Appreciate you coming on the part.

1212
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:46,400
Speaker 1: Thank you, brothers. Stories and great stories, great times. Y'all

1213
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: were great players. I just love that here such great players.

1214
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,120
Speaker 3: You know. I was someone who just contributed what I could.

1215
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,480
Speaker 3: But I watched y'all and you know we have defense.

1216
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 3: You know we watched defense. Yeah, and you played the

1217
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 3: right way. Brothers. I'm glad to be here with you.

1218
00:58:02,480 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 1: We really appreciate that.

1219
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 3: Man.

1220
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,120
Speaker 1: Look, I loved your Mount Rushmore because it was I'll

1221
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,800
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I don't think we've ever had

1222
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: anybody talk about from a principle to a person that

1223
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: worked at the wire that they just happened to look

1224
00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: up to. Nobody that's just a superstar of somebody that

1225
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: you would immediately know. And so that kind of tells

1226
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: me who you are as a person. The people that

1227
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: poured into when you were a young man. You never

1228
00:58:25,600 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 1: forgot them. You've never forgetten who you were, and it's

1229
00:58:27,960 --> 00:58:29,800
Speaker 1: kind of led you down this path or wherever your

1230
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: life is. It's kind of taken you to all these

1231
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: different walks of life in these different rooms, and great,

1232
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: great stories Man, continue to pour into the rest of

1233
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:37,640
Speaker 1: the world.

1234
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: We need it.

1235
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,800
Speaker 1: We need people like you to continue to do what

1236
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: you've been able to do and accomplish the things that

1237
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: you've been able to accomplish.

1238
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 3: So thanks continue to do that.

1239
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: Sure came vote in Texas, but if I could, I would.

1240
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 2: You got my vote.

1241
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,439
Speaker 3: Now you're coming back.

1242
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:50,320
Speaker 2: I'm coming back.

1243
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,760
Speaker 1: That's how you people get locked up now, can't be

1244
00:58:52,840 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 1: voting in multiple.

1245
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: Studies, voting none that.

1246
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:01,640
Speaker 1: I can't vote. You got it.

1247
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

1248
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 1: Okay, I appreciate what spiritual. We're going to decide if

1249
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: he's gonna run for anything else soon, Kyle, Hopefully you

1250
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 1: share with us. If you do, we'll put out there,

1251
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: make sure we will continue to promote Man because you

1252
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: are one of us as a former NFL alumni all

1253
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:16,600
Speaker 1: the same.

1254
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 2: You know, and when I see you in the house,

1255
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 2: I'm adapting.

1256
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put it up here. I'm coming out here.

1257
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: We learned something new today too. It's all about how approach,

1258
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:29,919
Speaker 1: how you approach it is everything shout out.

1259
00:59:30,040 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 2: So this is I'm p s A to all the

1260
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 2: Caucasian congress men out there. If you want the Obama

1261
00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 2: bring it out.

1262
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:39,400
Speaker 3: Don't do this.

1263
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: You gotta come out like this.

1264
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 2: And then the fellow brother congressman or whoever politician, he gonna.

1265
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: Give you that that love. So I'm just throwing it

1266
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: out there.

1267
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, that's beautiful. Man.

1268
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: All right, I learned something new every day, all right. Man.

1269
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: For all of our listeners and viewers out there, man,

1270
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 1: thank you so much for always tuning it. Make sure

1271
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 1: you give us a five star rating review, give us

1272
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 1: a leave a couple of comments, Share like, share like,

1273
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: subscribe all the things wherever you pick me your podcast at,

1274
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: whether it's iHeartRadio or the Apple podcast app. Please please

1275
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,280
Speaker 1: please please tell a friend to tell a friend to

1276
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:13,560
Speaker 1: do what Peanut tell a friend.

1277
01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:14,000
Speaker 3: Then we go.

1278
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: Man, get us up out of here, bro.

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