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Speaker 2: You guys, ap prose bests, relentless, refusing to give up.

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody, and welcome to the Fantasy Flex Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Versus Raybon here at one of

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Speaker 2: the top rankers in the game. Actually two are the

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Speaker 2: top rankers in the game. Because not only do we

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Speaker 2: got my boy, Sean Kerner here, but we got a

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Speaker 2: special guest today. My dude. He's at FTN. He's an

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Speaker 2: award winning serious XM host. He's on CBS Sportsnet, Jeff Ratcliffe, ladies,

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Speaker 2: and we're gonna be talking wide receivers today. Jeff, Thanks

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Speaker 2: for doing this, man. How you doing?

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Speaker 4: I'm excited?

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Speaker 2: Man.

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Speaker 3: It's August like July flew by like blinked for the July.

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Speaker 3: Then boom, here we are in August this Fantasy draft season.

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Speaker 3: It's like nothing has ever changed. Everybody in all of

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Speaker 3: Fantasyland has forgotten everything that has happened last year, and

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Speaker 3: we're falling for all of the same things. This rookie

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's puff pe season. I mean there's way too

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Speaker 2: I love it. Though we're recording this on a Thursday.

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Speaker 2: That means the first football game of the year is

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Speaker 2: I want to we're gonna so we're gonna be talking about,

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Speaker 2: you know, the top twelve wide receivers and ADP. So

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Speaker 2: this should be a just because I think people tend

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Speaker 2: earlier round approach this year in general? Are you targeting

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Speaker 3: I actually just wrote up a piece over at Ftnfantasy

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Speaker 3: dot Com that is a comprehensive draft strategy piece. It's

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Speaker 3: a piece I think has been in my brain for

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Speaker 4: I call it pun RB two. There's so many different

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Speaker 3: That approach or you know, going robust tight end, early

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Speaker 2: So I think that's a good good way to kind

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Speaker 5: Yeah, so he still pops out number one. You know,

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Speaker 5: So I'm much more willing to spend up to get

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think you know you mentioned you know,

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Speaker 3: Scary is he was that good in an offense that

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Speaker 3: We should see a lot of eleven personnel with three

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Speaker 2: Wait, so, jeff what you're saying is that Matthew Stafford

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Speaker 4: No more playing video games?

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Speaker 5: Well, first of all, I can't believe you let any

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Speaker 2: Well, well because he I thought we were getting sim

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Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean you're putting out the spy here.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm going to just make up a number

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Speaker 5: He's only twenty three years old, and as jeff mentioned,

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Speaker 5: There's reason to be bearish on them this year because

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Speaker 2: I like Justin Jefferson a lot. Let's go to Jamar,

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Speaker 2: Chase and jeff You know, Sean just mentioned you know,

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Speaker 4: The world needs number three receivers for sure.

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Speaker 3: I just think that the fantasy masses though, like you,

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Speaker 4: This guy's the guy. I'm gonna draft.

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Speaker 4: So you know, I just I try to be real.

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Speaker 4: So where do we go from here?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, I think that's I'm glad you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I will say out of those seven games, he

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Speaker 5: especially deep. To having better protection, I think we'll just

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00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 5: get Chase eve more targets.

438
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,119
Speaker 2: Hey, I'll take the nine sacks if it means Jamar

439
00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 2: Chase can go over two hundred yard every game. I mean,

440
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 2: so from a guy who is a little bit inconsistent

441
00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:29,080
Speaker 2: to a guy that seems like he's been consistent for

442
00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: every game for the better part of the last three

443
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,760
Speaker 2: four years now, Davante Adams. But he does, you know,

444
00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 2: make this to jump from green Bay, you know, from

445
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer to Hall of Famer, from green Bay

446
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,360
Speaker 2: to Vegas. But in all seriousness, I mean he does

447
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,840
Speaker 2: have experience playing with Derek Carr before, so that that

448
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,360
Speaker 2: is a positive. Jeff, do you think Adams's numbers take

449
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 2: any type of meaningful hit without Rogers and what I

450
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 2: say meaningful as in meaningful enough to like bump him

451
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:02,959
Speaker 2: out of you know, this top four, top five, because

452
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: I mean the prop market it still has him at

453
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 2: you know, twelve hundred yards, nine and a half touchdowns,

454
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 2: which I mean, I think anyone would be happy with that.

455
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if it's a sizeable drop off.

456
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: Maybe the one area might be touchdowns. We know, Rogers,

457
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: you know, it's weird. Jared Goff has more seasons over

458
00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 3: forty six hundred passing yards in his career than Rogers Doanzo,

459
00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,480
Speaker 3: which is almost mind boggling, But he's always so hyper efficient.

460
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 3: He can throw for forty two hundred yards and throw

461
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 3: for forty passing touchdowns, which that's really you know, that's

462
00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 3: pretty much out of the realm for most quarterbacks. Part

463
00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,119
Speaker 3: isn't efficient like that, But last year we saw it

464
00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 3: could be high volume, and I don't think that Josh

465
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,560
Speaker 3: McDaniels is going to shy away from that. Plus the

466
00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:48,520
Speaker 3: fact this team made a sizable investment, The organization made

467
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 3: a sizable investment. They are going to want return from

468
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 3: that investment. So it's challenging when you do have Darren

469
00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 3: Waller and Hunter Renfro on the field. But I think

470
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 3: that the ball will be force fed to his old

471
00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,560
Speaker 3: college buddy. And yes, these guys it's been a while,

472
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 3: but in presdo state thirty eight passing touchdown connections in

473
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,439
Speaker 3: two seasons between these two whatever college numbers or whatever.

474
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,639
Speaker 3: But what that does display is they had a very

475
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 3: real connection. Then they've been trying behind the scenes to

476
00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,600
Speaker 3: make this thing happen. He took less money to go there,

477
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 3: which is to me almost mind boggling, But all of

478
00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,680
Speaker 3: it adds up to Yeah, he's gonna be heavily used,

479
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 3: And honestly, what I like is, yeah, ADP might be

480
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 3: at four I've seen him slip to the middle of

481
00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,480
Speaker 3: the second round and if DeVante Adams is there, like,

482
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to tackle me on my way up

483
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 3: to the board to get his sticker on there because

484
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 3: I can't get it up there fast enough.

485
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's hard. There's Davante Adams,

486
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 2: maybe even more so than a goy like Jamar Chase.

487
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,880
Speaker 2: It's really hard to find any host to poke in him.

488
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,240
Speaker 2: You know, Sean do you you know you when you

489
00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 2: put him on Vegas and you put him with car

490
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 2: and now he's running routes with ren Throne Waller, I mean,

491
00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 2: what is the drop off, like.

492
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Speaker 1: You know to Green Bay.

493
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think you know, his target share is gonna

494
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 5: take a bit of a hit, but there should be

495
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 5: more passing arns to go around, which can help offset

496
00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,160
Speaker 5: that a bit. Plus Let's remember, I mean, I think

497
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:14,320
Speaker 5: Adams with Aaron Rodgers, there's no denying that we would

498
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 5: love to see that again. But you know, Adams himself

499
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 5: is no slouch. Back in twenty seventeen when Rogers missed

500
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,919
Speaker 5: six or eight games, you know, Devanta Adams put up

501
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,560
Speaker 5: wide receiver five numbers with Brett Hunley at under center,

502
00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 5: and you know, I would say Derek Carr is a

503
00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 5: much better quarterback than Brett Hunley. So you know, DeVante

504
00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 5: Adams is a guy that's QB proof. He's just an

505
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 5: elite receiver. So just in this offense, he's gonna make

506
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 5: Derek Carr better.

507
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 1: So I don't I.

508
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 5: Obviously there's gonna be a slight drop off in his production,

509
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 5: but I don't think it's enough to you know, move

510
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 5: him outside of the top four. I still think he's

511
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 5: one of the top whiteouts in the game. And like

512
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,679
Speaker 5: Jeff mentioned, you know they're paying the money and you

513
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 5: know they put in a significant, you know, investment into him,

514
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 5: So I.

515
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Speaker 1: Think he's still gonna get his this season. Yeah.

516
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,160
Speaker 2: I always, like, you know, I look at the target

517
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 2: at per route numbers, and DeVante Adams always at the

518
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: top of the league. It was thirty thirty percent last

519
00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: year targets per route. Now, no one in Green Bay

520
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,000
Speaker 2: was anywhere near to that, partly because Devonte Adams was there.

521
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,919
Speaker 2: In Vegas, you had Renfro at twenty three percent and

522
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 2: you had Waller at twenty four percent. But when you

523
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:22,760
Speaker 2: had like I think they are going there, what usually

524
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: happens when you have a guy like Adams coming, is

525
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,399
Speaker 2: the other guys bumped down, Like it's not just necessarily

526
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 2: taking away from Devonte Adams. So I don't know, I'm

527
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: not saying he hits thirty percent again, you know, I

528
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: obviously factor that into my model. I think I have him,

529
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:39,280
Speaker 2: you know, a few ticks lower than that, maybe in

530
00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: the high twenties, but he still comes out as the

531
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 2: wide receiver for so I don't think we have anything

532
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,440
Speaker 2: to worry about. I think the floor is there and

533
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,880
Speaker 2: it's DeVante Adams, so the ceiling will always be there.

534
00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: And Jeff, like you said, we could get a five

535
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: thousand yard passing season out of Derek car just because

536
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,840
Speaker 2: the Raiders. He's kind of done that with volume, you know.

537
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 2: And and I you know, I really I'm not shying

538
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 2: away from Adams at all. I love I would, you know,

539
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,920
Speaker 2: like I would take him in the first round.

540
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: Two.

541
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: It's just you don't have to a lot of the time.

542
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 2: So great value there. Let's go to number five. Now

543
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 2: we start getting into you know, probably start making arguments

544
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 2: for different guys here. Stefan Diggs has been the player

545
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 2: that's most consistently I've seen go number five, Jeff, you know,

546
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 2: is Diggs like a kind of dark horse candidate to

547
00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 2: lead the NFL catches and yards again like he did

548
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty. I mean they did lose some some

549
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 2: some volume guys like Standards and Beasley.

550
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 3: I think that's a great call out on your part

551
00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 3: because the common widespread perception is that Diggs is coming

552
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 3: off of a down here. What seriously, people like he

553
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 3: had a jumble touchdown season, triple digit catches and that

554
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,520
Speaker 3: was somehow disappointing to people out.

555
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 4: There, and the way the brain works right.

556
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 3: Gave Davis had the Al Bundy like feet of scoring

557
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,359
Speaker 3: four touchdowns in a single football game.

558
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 4: So of course that's what we care about.

559
00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that, you know, this is dramatically impacted

560
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 3: Diggs draft stock, but we also have to acknowledge the

561
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: fact that, you know, people in our position impact where

562
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 3: he's going in drafts more so than the people out

563
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 3: there in the backyards doing the drafts. But hey, you know,

564
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: you definitely could see him lead the league in catches.

565
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 3: That wouldn't surprise me at all. We definitely could see

566
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 3: another double digit I'm not going to project them with

567
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 3: double digit touchdowns, but we could certainly see that, we

568
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 3: could certainly see another heavy yardage year. And it's not

569
00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: like he's he's that like, he's not young at this

570
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:43,520
Speaker 3: point in screer, but he's still only age twenty nine season,

571
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 3: he's locked in as the top receiver. Yeah, Gave Davis,

572
00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,399
Speaker 3: will will take a step forward. Who's the number three? Like,

573
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: we have a couple contenders. Jamison Crowder, who is experiencing

574
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 3: general soreness. I just don't know what that is, but

575
00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 3: it's something. Isaiah McKenzie, who he's a gadget player, which

576
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 3: I don't use that in a derogatory way.

577
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, Holy look at him. He's a gadget player.

578
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 3: No, he's a guy who serves a better role for

579
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,479
Speaker 3: a football team than he does for fantasy purposes. And

580
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 3: then you know Khalil secure Sequira. He's an interesting young player,

581
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 3: but he may not be ready to be a number

582
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 3: three just yet. So yeah, the targets should be there

583
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 3: in abundance. I mean, yes, James Cook. I know somebody's

584
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 3: gonna yell at me on Twitter, what about James Cook,

585
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: James Coco get his share targets out of the backfield,

586
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 3: But yeah, it should be targets in abundance for Diggs,

587
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,199
Speaker 3: which means a nice high floor, and he comes with

588
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,400
Speaker 3: that nice high ceiling as well.

589
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really liked me some Diggs. I didn't even

590
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: realize how much I like Diggs until I just I

591
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 2: started to see him, you know, slip into the mid

592
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: second round. He's still ADP, is still twelfth overall. So

593
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 2: it's not like I'm not saying that people are way

594
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 2: down and him, but he just seems to be flying

595
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:52,479
Speaker 2: under the radar for the number one, clear, number one receiver.

596
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: Because even as much as we love Gave Davis, you know,

597
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,880
Speaker 2: he's I don't look at Gave Davis like a volume guy,

598
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: right Like I look at Gave Davis like a guy

599
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 2: who's gonna you know, open up the downfield for a

600
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 2: guy like Diggs and he's gonna catch, you know, like

601
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 2: he'll have games recatches like three for one hundred and

602
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 2: one in two touchdowns. But Diggs is the guy to

603
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: go for like ten for one fifty. So yeah, I

604
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 2: like to be some Digs. And this is he's He's

605
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 2: connected to the number one overall quarterback in fantasy, and

606
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 2: I feel like people are are just forgetting about Stefan Diggs. Sean,

607
00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: where are you on on Diggs heading into twenty twenty six?

608
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: You know where I am.

609
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 5: I'm always you know, having Digs in my top five,

610
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,080
Speaker 5: So I still love this here. He led the league

611
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 5: in endone targets last season with nineteen, so I think

612
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:37,479
Speaker 5: that touchdown for you know, he scored ten touchdowns last year.

613
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 5: I think that should stay. Although that that would be

614
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 5: my only concern where Gabe Davis might eat into his

615
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 5: touchdown chair. You know, Gabe is obviously a red zone weapon,

616
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 5: but I think the weapons around him are very similar.

617
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 1: You know, I think Gabe is probably an upgrade.

618
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 5: Well, he definitely is an upgrade over Manny Sanders, and

619
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 5: I think Jamison Crowder should be able to fill in

620
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 5: the cold easy role. Although Jeff I will say general

621
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 5: soreness is a real thing. Experience it, so it's it's

622
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 5: a been concerning that James people started experiencing that, so

623
00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 5: I don't have to downgra him a bit. But overall,

624
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 5: I think this offense could be even better this year.

625
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually I did like Crowder. I thought Crowder

626
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 2: was a little undervalued at one point because I you know,

627
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 2: if you kind of project him for that Beasley role,

628
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,520
Speaker 2: he would be way undervalued. But now you know he's

629
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: missing time, and we're hearing that Mackenzie could be a

630
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 2: real threat to at least kind of split that role

631
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 2: with him a little bit more. And they did use

632
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: Mackenzie more going down to stretch last year, so something

633
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: to monitor. But let's go to Ceedee Lamb and uh

634
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 2: Ceedee lam I mean, he's another one of those guys.

635
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 2: I mean, you talk about a dark horse to lead

636
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 2: the league in targets. Every Cowboys pass catcher seems to

637
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 2: be there seems to be some type of malady going

638
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: on with them, and so like you know, Gallup is

639
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 2: probably gonna miss a few games. Now you just had

640
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 2: James Washington get hurt as well, Uh jaym and Tober,

641
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: as much as I like him for the opportunity, still

642
00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: a rookie, maybe they signed a veteran. But you know, Jeff,

643
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: you know, what do you think about Lamb heading into

644
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: heading into this year, You're just having all these targets

645
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: to himself.

646
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, when you took over one hundred targets

647
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: off the table with Themari Cooper going to Cleveland, He's

648
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 3: not gonna get all those targets because that would be

649
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: a record, but he'll get.

650
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 4: A good chunk of them.

651
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 3: Dalton Schultz really is the number two target right now

652
00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 3: until Michael Gallup is back and healthy. And we've seen

653
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 3: guys come back from acls and not be one hundred

654
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 3: percent for another full season, so there's no guarantee that

655
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: Gallup is just the old Gallop. Right away, you mentioned

656
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 3: Jalen Tolvert, Jalen Tolbert. I thought that pick, Like my

657
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 3: predraft comp for Jalen Tolvert was Michael Gallup, So it

658
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 3: was like, Wow, Dallas has a type here and they're

659
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 3: trying to fill this role in the long term James Washington.

660
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 4: That just sucks.

661
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 3: But James Washington, let's be honest, is probably better suited

662
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: to be like a number four who occasionally gets number

663
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: three reps as opposed to just a number three.

664
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: So yeah, the sign here.

665
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: This should be a more run heavy team that's gonna

666
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 3: lean on Zeke and Pollard, but the signs are here.

667
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: The NFL will often tell us these things without directly

668
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 3: telling us that Lamb should have a massive volume season.

669
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 3: He is, you know, back to back, but the first

670
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 3: two years in the league were as far as I'm concerned,

671
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,200
Speaker 3: rock solid. He played a lot and the slot that

672
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 3: rookie season, but really got his feet wet, went out

673
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 3: nine hundred and thirty five yards. Okay, not massive, but

674
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: you know we're kind of spoiled now with like Justin

675
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 3: Jefferson and Jamar Chase rookie seasons. By the way, to

676
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:34,960
Speaker 3: all the people out there, look at Deavonte Smith's numbers

677
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 3: from last year, not a bad rookie season. Then he

678
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: goes and improves on those numbers last year. We've seen

679
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,840
Speaker 3: this many times before in the history of the NFL,

680
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 3: where receivers continue to move up and up and up,

681
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, boom they hit. Vante

682
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: Adams is a prime example of that earlier.

683
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 4: In his career.

684
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: So yeah, I love CD Lamb right now where we

685
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: are getting him, I don't. I would never say, oh

686
00:31:57,320 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 3: I love him, take him in the first round, no

687
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 3: where he's going in the mid or even towards the

688
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: back half of that second round. Love every bit of

689
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 3: that given the volume potential.

690
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: And Sean, I'll ask you this about Lamb. You know

691
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: we kind of hit on the volume. You know, where

692
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 2: are you with the touchdowns? The touchdowns is just gonna

693
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 2: come as the volume increases, because I think that's really

694
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: the only thing. You look at Lamb and you say, Okay,

695
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: you know he had six touchdowns. That's kind of underwhelming

696
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: in this offense. You know, in the red zone, he's

697
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: only yeah, it only had ten red zone targets each

698
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 2: of the first two years. So do you have that

699
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: kind of increasing naturally or is this kind of like

700
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 2: a Julio Jones situation where he's so good that defenses

701
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 2: are just like, let anybody else do it.

702
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 4: Oh God, I hope this is a weird situation.

703
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: But no.

704
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 5: He ranked seventeenth in end zone targets last year with ten.

705
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 5: He's also very good after the catch, so he doesn't

706
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 5: necessarily need an inZone target to score. But you know,

707
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 5: when it comes to Lamb, when he was drafting in

708
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 5: the first round, you know a few years ago, this

709
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 5: is the season we were waiting for when Amari's gone,

710
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 5: and it looked like Lamb's going to be the bona

711
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 5: Fie number one target in this offense. He's only twenty

712
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 5: four years old, he's entering year three. All signs are

713
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 5: pointing to a breakout. So something like his touchdown rate

714
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 5: could spike this season. And plus you know last season

715
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 5: even he ran around eighty three percent of the time,

716
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: so let's get that up closer in ninety five percent

717
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 5: this year, Cowboys. So he even has room to grow

718
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 5: and just playing time. So you know, I'm all in

719
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 5: on Lamb. Unfortunately the market is too. It's it's a

720
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 5: shame how sharp the market is when it comes to

721
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 5: Lamb because wide receiver six is about where he should go.

722
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 5: I was hoping going in this season he'd be closer,

723
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 5: you know, wide receiver eleven and we get a steal there.

724
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 5: But I like where he's going, you know, like Jeff said,

725
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 5: like he's in the second round, So that's that's the

726
00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 5: perfect time to take a guy like Lamb who could

727
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 5: absolutely finish as a you know, top three, top five

728
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: wide receiver this season.

729
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know he's he's one of those

730
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 2: dark horses to lead the league in targets, catch his

731
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: yards as well, and and a touch Like I don't

732
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: there's nothing that like, even though he hasn't had the

733
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: red zone production, there's nothing in his game that says

734
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: this guy can't score touchdown. So I really, I really

735
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 2: like him. I don't think you're going wrong with him.

736
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: And you know, I think maybe, like Jeff, you said,

737
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: you know, the Cowboys could probably should be able to

738
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: run heavier. But I mean, this is a team that

739
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,879
Speaker 2: threw for nearly five thousand yards and forty touchdowns last year.

740
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 2: I think, you know, they could lose a little volume

741
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 2: and Lamb being a target hog, could still be you know,

742
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 2: could still justify as ADP and even more. Okay, so

743
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 2: now now it starts to get a little diceier. I

744
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 2: think you could make a case for a number of

745
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 2: different players at wide receiver for seven ADP at Fantasy

746
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: pros and half PPR has Deebo Samuel is the one.

747
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 2: It's a it's a you know, a few sources that

748
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,880
Speaker 2: they're getting this from. So, Jeff, what do you think

749
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: about Deebo? I mean, do you do you want him

750
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: to continue being like the wide back at their possible

751
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 2: expense of you know, seeing some of the receiving work.

752
00:34:58,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: You know, that's kind of what happened last year. But

753
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: he just it's like an outlier running the ball. I mean,

754
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:02,920
Speaker 2: every every time he touched the ball, it's like a

755
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 2: rushing touchdown. And like part two of that question is

756
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 2: what also, what do you think the impact is of going,

757
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 2: you know, to to Trey Lance at quarterback for debo?

758
00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:12,360
Speaker 4: Well, real quick.

759
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 3: Historically, the complaint of Julio Jones was that he did

760
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 3: not score touchdowns last year. The complaint of Kyle Pitts was, oh, yeah,

761
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: he didn't score touchdowns.

762
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:25,360
Speaker 4: What's the freaking common denominator? It wasn't Julio Jones.

763
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 3: I hope Julio Jones scores fifteen touchdowns for the Buccaneers

764
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 3: this year and shows everybody it was Matt freaking Ryan

765
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,839
Speaker 3: that was the common denominator.

766
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 4: With all of that, I'm not saying put that on anybody.

767
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 3: I'm not on anybody right now, but we shall see,

768
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,880
Speaker 3: you know, we shall see there. So let's go to

769
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: Deebo the challenge. Let's say Deebo isn't a wide back role,

770
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,720
Speaker 3: and I don't know, he carries the ball what eight

771
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 3: times for Let's give him sixty yards like because he

772
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,319
Speaker 3: can rip off some long runs, all right, So that

773
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 3: is six points?

774
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he catches one ball for twelve yards.

775
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:16,880
Speaker 3: He has just scored what eight point two points because

776
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: he didn't score a touchdown. You know, I often talk

777
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: about what I call the Derek dilemma. It's Derek Henry.

778
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: Derek Henry can go out and have twenty carries for

779
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 3: ninety five yards. That's a solid NFL day, right, it

780
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 3: is a terrible Fantasy day if he doesn't score a

781
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: touchdown and does nothing in the passing game, the Derek dilemma,

782
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: the depot dilemma. If he is used in the wide

783
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,720
Speaker 3: back role and doesn't score touchdowns at a historically high.

784
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 4: Rate, we're gonna be pretty upset.

785
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping with this investment follow the money right,

786
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: that they are not going to use him as much

787
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 3: there because it does open him up to injury. They

788
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 3: do have those incentives in the contract. Six hundred and

789
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 3: fifty K if he goes for three hundred and eighty yards,

790
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 3: it's one hundred and fifty K if he scores three

791
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,600
Speaker 3: Rutching touchdowns. It's not all a lot for the forty

792
00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 3: nine ers, really a drop in the bucket. But it

793
00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 3: obviously was a concern on Deebo's side or else that

794
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,480
Speaker 3: language would not be in the contract. So while I

795
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 3: think you know Shanahan coming out saying yes, he's still

796
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: gonna be a wide back, I don't see Like, I

797
00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 3: don't see a hundred carries for debo. I say, you know,

798
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 3: fifty carries is what three per game roughly, so maybe

799
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 3: it's fifty carries, but I just don't I don't see that.

800
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: So I think this is a fine place to take him.

801
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 3: And I do think Trey Lance is is the next

802
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 3: man up, and I do think that he's going to

803
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: take a big step forward and surprise the masses this year.

804
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I love me some Tray. Like Trey Lance

805
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 2: is just like it's like every year, I feel like

806
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 2: there's this sexy quarterback that's like going like a little

807
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 2: too eight that people are still like worried about, like

808
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: it was. I remember it was Mahomes one year. I

809
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,879
Speaker 2: think they were like they're like ten people. Fantasy pros

810
00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: tweeted something like there were only ten people that ranked

811
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,760
Speaker 2: Mahomes inside the top ten that year, like before his rookie,

812
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: like for his second year, and it's like twenty eighteen.

813
00:37:57,320 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but when through the Yeah, it's like Trey

814
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 2: Lance has those same kind of signs. I mean, he's

815
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: not Andy Reid's offense, but I wouldn't doubt him, especially

816
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 2: for Fantasy. But Sean, Like, what are you projecting as

817
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 2: far as how the usage breaks down for Debo because

818
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: as you pointed out last year, a lot, a lot,

819
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 2: you know, as good as Debo was running the ball,

820
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: it did kind of you know, hurt his receiving production.

821
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 2: I mean, it wasn't always one catch for twelve yards,

822
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 2: but it was like three catches for thirty four yards

823
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 2: and just kind of underwhelming compared to you know, where

824
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: he started. And we also got to keep in mind

825
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 2: he did have an outlier in terms of his yards perception.

826
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 2: He led the week at eighteen point two, which is great,

827
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 2: but still an outlier.

828
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I think, you know, deebo I would say

829
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 5: three carries the game would be optimal for him for

830
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,240
Speaker 5: fantasy purposes. Now, last season, when he started that five

831
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 5: to eight rush attempts a game role starting in Week ten,

832
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 5: he was the wide receiver three the rest of the season,

833
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 5: but as Jeff alluded to, does mainly do a touchdown look,

834
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 5: he had eight rushing touchdowns, So you know, something around

835
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 5: three carries the game where he's mainly just get think

836
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 5: goal line work would be optimal because you know, a

837
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 5: guy like him getting goal line carries on top of

838
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 5: you know, possibly catching touchdowns were massive for a ceiling,

839
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 5: So I think having that you know role will be

840
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 5: good for his floor because this this offense could be

841
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 5: a little bit more run heavy with Trey Lance, so

842
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 5: guaranteeing a few you know, carries will help his floor.

843
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 5: But either way, I am a little bit worried about it.

844
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: So I think the way I invest in Debo, George

845
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 5: Kittle or Brandon Ayk is just by taking Trey Lance.

846
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 5: So I think that's that's the way I cover all

847
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 5: my bases, where every week, you know, one of those

848
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 5: guys might have a dud, one of them might go off,

849
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 5: but you know, Trey Lance will be benefiting either way.

850
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 5: So that's kind of how I've been hailing the foreigner

851
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 5: situation in general.

852
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually have Debo ranked nine.

853
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 4: Oh wow, you're usually yeah, I'm.

854
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 2: Because you know again it's it's it's as good as

855
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: Debo is. I think we all kind of alluded to. Again,

856
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,360
Speaker 2: we're not saying don't draft them, and a lot of

857
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 2: times Deebo, even with being at eighty P seven will

858
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: slip to nine. There's a standard deviation in eightyp folks.

859
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 2: It's an average, it's an average, with an average comes

860
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 2: to standard deviation. So but that being said, it's like

861
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 2: you can't project you can't project him to score uh,

862
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: you know, one rushing touchdown every like it carries.

863
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 5: Again, how many rushing touchdowns do you have projected?

864
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: Ye?

865
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me put it up. I have him at uh.

866
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 1: I'm at three and a half.

867
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:29,640
Speaker 2: Okay, I think three point five? Yeah, we all we're

868
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 2: in latchtep. Yeah, I got six point four yards to

869
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,920
Speaker 2: carry uh three point five rushing touchdown. So and listen again,

870
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 2: like like Jeff hammered, this is this progression to the

871
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 2: mean Like this, there's no way that you can you know,

872
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: project this guy for eight rushing touchdown. So that just

873
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: worries me because I think there are some signs for

874
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 2: concern where Debo just statistically can take a step back.

875
00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: Number one, now you have Trey Lance on the field

876
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 2: every play. The reason Deebo was getting a lot of

877
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: rushing work is because Elijah Mischel was great, but he

878
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 2: could barely make it. Like like he was struggling. He

879
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: was always getting banged. I mean, at what point he

880
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,319
Speaker 2: got hurt, left the game and had to come back

881
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: because every other running back got hurt like that was.

882
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 2: That was a lot dimneal season in a nutshell. So

883
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 2: now you have another option. You have Trey Lance as

884
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: another option. In addition to you drafted ty David Davis Price,

885
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: you have Jeff Wilson healthy for now, you know, like

886
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: there are more options to hand the ball to than

887
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: there was last year. So now I think you do

888
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 2: go back to Debo being mostly a receiver, right, but

889
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: you have Trey Lance a quarterback. And as much as

890
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: I like Trey Lance, like dude, like, it's not a

891
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: guarantee that they have the same amount of pass volume

892
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: that they even had with Jimmy last year. There's no

893
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: guarantee that he's like a guy who's gonna throw a

894
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,439
Speaker 2: ton of touchdowns or you know, maintain that like eight

895
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 2: yards and a tent type of thing like Jimmy did.

896
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: So you know, they're just concerns there where I could say, Okay,

897
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 2: you know, maybe a guy like Tyreek Hill. I feel

898
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: a little better about even a guy like Keenan Allen.

899
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, we know what we're getting here,

900
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 2: whereas Debo, it could go a lot of ways, That's

901
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,399
Speaker 2: that's all I'm saying. And we could get some of those,

902
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 2: we could finally see some of those inconsistencies pop up

903
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 2: for DIVA that really weren't there last year because he

904
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: was able to score a rushing touchdown in those games

905
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 2: where you know he didn't he didn't really do well

906
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 2: catching the ball. So that's the only reason I have

907
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: him a little bit lower. But it's not like a

908
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: major downgrade. It's just I don't have him at seven.

909
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: Tyreek Tyreek is, you know, he's he's going from the

910
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: best quarterback to I don't know, Jeff, I mean, Tyreek

911
00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: is just like you mentioned it, He's this generational talent

912
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 2: that could go for three point fifty and five and

913
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 2: we wouldn't blink, But like, can you do that to us?

914
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 3: So everybody was widely off base when this went down

915
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 3: because a lot of folks pointed to Tyreek Hill essentially

916
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: being a downfield threat. Well, that may have been true

917
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, it was decidedly not true last season.

918
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 3: He was a lower a guy who really functions best.

919
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: He becomes the most dynamic punt returner ever in the

920
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,720
Speaker 3: history of creation when he gets the ball in his hands,

921
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 3: So let him make plays in space, and when we

922
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: look at where Tua came from Tua came from obviously Alabama,

923
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 3: all those receivers coming out of Alabama every year. Who

924
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: was the comp for at least one of those receivers

925
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: Tyreek Hill, Right, Mike McDaniel, who not only seems like

926
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: he's one of the coolest dudes in the NFL, but

927
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 3: on top of it very bright mind is smart enough

928
00:43:35,400 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 3: to think, Okay, let's just get the archetype, like, let's

929
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: let's not get all these cheap and imitations, let's get

930
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 3: the just get the dude. And where where does to

931
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 3: excel with a deep ball? No, but he doesn't need to.

932
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 3: He is an extremely accurate player who can hit the

933
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 3: the receivers in stride to allow them to then create

934
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,760
Speaker 3: after the catch. So now he has that with Tyreek

935
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 3: Hill and Jalen Waddell on the field as well. But

936
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: I think that this actually sets up very well in

937
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 3: that offense, which also, you know, we know it's going

938
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,839
Speaker 3: to be some kind of version of what we've seen

939
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,799
Speaker 3: with from Kyle Shanahan, which puts these receivers in a

940
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 3: position to make plays after the catch.

941
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 4: So I think it's.

942
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 3: Actually not bad at all, And I like the Tyreek

943
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:21,400
Speaker 3: kill discount, especially right now, I'll let the people doubt

944
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 3: on on Tyreek Hill and I'll scoop him up wherever

945
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 3: I can.

946
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: Yeah.

947
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 2: And and by the way, Mike McDaniel, you know who

948
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: he coached last year, Deebo Stamuel.

949
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 3: And he told Deebo Samuel, if you have a great year,

950
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 3: you will get paid check and I will become a

951
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 3: head coach check. Like he was prophetic with it and

952
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 3: exactly right. So yeah, awesome. Apparently the quote the thing

953
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: that was going around yesterday that he didn't realize it

954
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 3: was yeasy day Mike, like all the Mike Jones, like

955
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 3: all the rap quotes from from him.

956
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 4: I just love him.

957
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,439
Speaker 3: He's way up in my coaching rankings. But I also

958
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 3: think he's a very bright mind. And I did to

959
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 3: see what this Dolphins offense does.

960
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 2: Did you did you enter any draws for any easies?

961
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 2: Did you win any?

962
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:10,359
Speaker 3: I did not worry about any easy I didn't.

963
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 2: I didn't get any either I want, so I'm gonna

964
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 2: have to pay restale now I didn't get I don't

965
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,400
Speaker 2: win any draws. So Sean, what are your thoughts on Tyreek?

966
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I've taken Tyreek over Debo in at some

967
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: spots just because again, like I like the Tyreek discount too.

968
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 2: Like I know people are gonna say, like Jeff Alutletu,

969
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: though two is not a good downfield thrower, one, he

970
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 2: actually was a good downfield throw he just didn't attempt

971
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: a lot of downfield passes. Uh, and two, I don't

972
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,800
Speaker 2: think he needs to really throw downfield to maximize Tyreek

973
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 2: because of what Jeff alluded to. But where are you

974
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: on Tyreek Hennant his first year with the with this

975
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: new offense.

976
00:45:47,840 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would, I would agree with all that.

977
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 5: And you know, it's certainly a downgrade going from a

978
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 5: Homes to two, there's no denying that. But Tyreek himself,

979
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 5: you know, is a generational talent, so he will make

980
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 5: two a better. And we saw a glimpse of Irek

981
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 5: playing without Mahomes already. He played two and a half

982
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 5: games with Matt Moore under center, and he posted wide

983
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:08,240
Speaker 5: receiver five numbers.

984
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:08,879
Speaker 1: So there you go.

985
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 5: I would say two is better than Matt Moore. So

986
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 5: I hope that, Yeah, we hope. I think Trek exploring

987
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 5: Seeland might be a little bit lower in this offense,

988
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 5: like we might see some musical chairs with you know,

989
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 5: Hill Wattle, Gasiki maybe where two of those guys go

990
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 5: off and one has a dud. But Tyreek, I think

991
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 5: they're gonna guarantee touches for Tyreek weekend week out. And

992
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 5: I think that the improved offensive line should help too.

993
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,800
Speaker 5: You know, they brought in Connor Williams and Toront Armstead.

994
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 5: You know, last year's offensive line was one of the

995
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 5: worst league. That's why too did it throw deep. You know,

996
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 5: they just had to get it out quick. So I

997
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,399
Speaker 5: think this year, if the offensive line improves certainly under

998
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 5: the scheme, like the scheme itself will help the offensive

999
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 5: line as well. You know, that's gonna benefit Tyreek as well.

1000
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 5: So you I think wide receiver eight, Yeah, you're getting

1001
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 5: a pretty good discount there. I would have him around

1002
00:46:56,000 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 5: wide receiver six just based on his talent alone. So yeah,

1003
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 5: I think, yeah, taking him over Deebo makes a ton

1004
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 5: of sense.

1005
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's again, I'm not trying to knock Debo people.

1006
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: Everyone who's listened to this pod knows, like I was

1007
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 2: given Sean shit for like like not having Debo in

1008
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: his top five. Yeah there's only five guys. Yeah, but no,

1009
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 2: I I like the fact that, like this, there's like

1010
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: this Mike McDaniel upside. You know what he did with Deebo.

1011
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 2: I think, I think, you know, Tyreek might get used

1012
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 2: in ways that he wasn't even using in Casey, or

1013
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 2: he wasn't used since his rookie year maybe in Casey.

1014
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 2: So it's putting hairs. But I I don't really worry

1015
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 2: too much about a guy like Tyreek Hill in this

1016
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,879
Speaker 2: kind of offense. I just see more regression coming from Deebo.

1017
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 2: I guess it's the way I should put it. All Right,

1018
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:43,959
Speaker 2: these next two guys, I want to go a little

1019
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 2: quicker because I want to spend a lot more time

1020
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,160
Speaker 2: on the last two. So these next two I'm gonn Jeff,

1021
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna kind of group them together. And it's just

1022
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: so damn consistent. Mike Evans, Keenan Allen, I mean, just

1023
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 2: speak words on them, because I don't really have any

1024
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 2: like thing to like poke about or like I think

1025
00:47:57,760 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 2: you're happy where you get them, but like, what is

1026
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:02,359
Speaker 2: you know? Just tell you talk to me about this too.

1027
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 3: Do very different types of players obviously, Yeah, Mike Evans

1028
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: has been I hate the Mike Evans disrespect that is

1029
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: widespread out there. This guy now eight seasons in a

1030
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: row with one thousand receiving yards, which is unreal. And

1031
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: then add Brady to the mix and you're talking twenty

1032
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,600
Speaker 3: seven receiving touchdowns over the last two years. Yeah, Godwin's back,

1033
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 3: but I still you know, Evans to me with his

1034
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 3: ceiling is the obvious preferred to the two. And we

1035
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,279
Speaker 3: don't know where Godwin exactly is in this return, just

1036
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 3: that he managed to avoid the preseason pup. As far

1037
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: as Allen is concerned, the floor is massive, Like this

1038
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 3: is a guy he's like, he's like a hunter catch ink,

1039
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 3: you know, just ant get in Hunter catches. But is

1040
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 3: he gonna have more than six or seven touchdowns? That's

1041
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: the thing, is the touchdown upside there? I mean perhaps

1042
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 3: like we don't know what this is a scary thing.

1043
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: We don't know what Justin Herbert's ceiling is yet that's

1044
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 3: freaking scary. We don't know what Joe Burrow's ceiling is.

1045
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 3: I don't even think we know what Josh allen ceiling is.

1046
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 3: Like this is this is a great generation of quarterbacks.

1047
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: I'm excited for it. But Alan is up there in

1048
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 3: age more of a higher volume, but not as much

1049
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 3: touchdown upside guy, and I actually don't have him inside

1050
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 3: my top twelve. I have him as a front end

1051
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 3: wide receiver too, for that very reason. But I'm not

1052
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 3: gonna fauld anybody for taking him.

1053
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think the reason I like Allen

1054
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 2: is because, like you you mentioned, if the flour is there,

1055
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 2: justin Herbert's the favorite to lead the league and touchdown passes,

1056
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 2: Who's he gonna throw the most passes to? Keenan Allen? Like,

1057
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,799
Speaker 2: It's just like the upside is still there. I know

1058
00:49:34,840 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 2: he hasn't realized it yet, but the upside is there

1059
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 2: for him to score touchdown. So like, I don't you know,

1060
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 2: I'm not really too worried about it, Sean. Where are

1061
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 2: you on Evans and Alan? Two of them more? I

1062
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 2: think they're just the more boring just guys. Yeah, that

1063
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about exactly. We know exactly what

1064
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,439
Speaker 2: we're gonna get. The thing with Evans that I love

1065
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,359
Speaker 2: is he's never gonna have two bad games in a row.

1066
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: Raybaund you always yes during the season if he has

1067
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 2: a bad game. Tom Brady's a oologizing to the media

1068
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 2: to Evans. Unfortunately, we won't get Bruce Arians saying, I

1069
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: fd up, we need to get Mike Evans the ball

1070
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 2: next week, and then they scores three touchdowns next week,

1071
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 2: so you never have two bad games in rowth. Evans

1072
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: love Evans in the spot, especially in best ball. He's

1073
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: obviously the best ball monster. Whereas Keen Allen, he's the

1074
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: perfect re draft league head to head guy, you know

1075
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: exactly you're going to get. You guys were debating what

1076
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,400
Speaker 2: he's going to get, you know, in the touchdown department,

1077
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 2: just marking down for one hundred catches, eleven hundred yards,

1078
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 2: six touchdowns. Yeah, that's what.

1079
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: You're going to get.

1080
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,040
Speaker 5: No thinking about it, just write it down. So that's

1081
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 5: perfect for you know, re draft leagues.

1082
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. So you know the reason I wanted

1083
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: to go quick through those two is because I think

1084
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 2: this next guy number eleven and ADP, I think he

1085
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 2: has a wide range of outcomes. I love the talent,

1086
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 2: you know, but there's questions about the quarterback. There's even

1087
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 2: questions about you know, his prior production. I mean, this

1088
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: is a guy who's never even you know, he's never

1089
00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 2: had one hundred catches, he's never had more than I

1090
00:50:58,280 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 2: believe it, he's never even had one hundred and ten

1091
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 2: targets in a year. I believe it is, and that

1092
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 2: is AJ Brown. Jeff, where are you on Aj Brown?

1093
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:08,319
Speaker 1: Like?

1094
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:12,360
Speaker 2: Is the move from Tennessee to Philly? Is it an upgrade?

1095
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 2: Is it a downgrade? Is it a lateral move?

1096
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: Like?

1097
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:16,680
Speaker 2: How are you kind of forecasting this?

1098
00:51:17,719 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 3: I view it mostly lateral, going from a run heavy

1099
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 3: offense to what likely will still be a run heavy offense. Like,

1100
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: obviously those carries are coming slightly differently. It's not just

1101
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry averaging thirty carries in game or you know what,

1102
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 3: it was just under thirty, sorry over those first eight

1103
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 3: last year, it's Miles Sanders.

1104
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 4: It's a little bit of canny game.

1105
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 3: Well, and obviously it's Jalen Hurts and maybe some Boston

1106
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 3: Scott in that run heavy approach. But I expect Jalen

1107
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 3: Hurts to take a step forward as a passion. Last

1108
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 3: year was his rookie season. You know, yes, he played

1109
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 3: the season before, but last year was really his rookie season.

1110
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 3: He got to learn this offense. And now the team

1111
00:51:59,400 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: why is realized, oh we suck at drafting wide receivers.

1112
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: Let's just go and trade for one and got a

1113
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:10,920
Speaker 3: true alpha in there. Who again, we don't really know

1114
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 3: what he is fully capable of, and it's not like

1115
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 3: he's on the back nine of his career just yet.

1116
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 3: You know, just the fourth season in the NFL, got

1117
00:52:19,160 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 3: his contract, got his GAT fully guaranteed money, and he's

1118
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 3: going to get forrest fed the football. So I'm fine

1119
00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:30,240
Speaker 3: with this because you know, if you're wide receiver eleven,

1120
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 3: you just said standard deviation, so that means there's probably

1121
00:52:33,160 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: a good shot you're spilling into the third round. So

1122
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 3: you're getting a guy with the ceiling potential of AJ

1123
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 3: Brown maybe in the early third round.

1124
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 4: Don't mind that at all.

1125
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: Sean, what about you? How you doing with aj this?

1126
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 1: Yere? Yeah?

1127
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,600
Speaker 5: So AJ, I mean he's going from a run heavy

1128
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 5: offense to run heavy offense, So I think it is

1129
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 5: more of a literal move. I think, you know, Hurts

1130
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,000
Speaker 5: is probably a little bit more inaccurate than Tannehill. But

1131
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: either way, they brought Brown in because they probably.

1132
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: Do want to throw more.

1133
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 5: If you look at weeks one through seven last year,

1134
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:04,440
Speaker 5: they were the eighth heaviest passing team on early downs

1135
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: and they started off two and five and then you

1136
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 5: had Nick Seranny doing his bizarre or something about potted

1137
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:12,880
Speaker 5: plants and fertilizer and whatever, and they became an extreme

1138
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,359
Speaker 5: run heavy team. So it shows that he is good

1139
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,320
Speaker 5: at adjusting to his personnel. So I think brand Brown,

1140
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 5: they'll probably want to be a little bit more pass heavy.

1141
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, it's similar to

1142
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 5: Trey Lance, where I'm investing in him to get Debo

1143
00:53:26,760 --> 00:53:29,760
Speaker 5: vicariously through Trey Lance. I'm doing that with Jalen Hurts

1144
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 5: and AJ Brown. I'm not really getting AJ Brown at

1145
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 5: wide receiver eleven. I'm drafting Jalen Hurts wherever I can,

1146
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 5: and I think A J. Brown's gonna, you know, make

1147
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurts the league winner. So that's kind of how

1148
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 5: I'm approaching it, where I think, you know, wide receiver

1149
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 5: eleven is probably closer to his ceiling in this offense.

1150
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 5: But like you said, you know, A J. Brown has

1151
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 5: never been a large volume guy. Anyway, He's been super efficient,

1152
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 5: so I think that's going to continue this year, but

1153
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 5: just in this offense, his ceiling is a bit cap.

1154
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 2: Yes, that's kind of where I am. I think those

1155
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 2: top ten and you know, I have like you could

1156
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,319
Speaker 2: you could kind of split hairs about okay, who should

1157
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 2: be seven, who should be eight? Who should be nine?

1158
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: I think there is And I know, Jeff, I know

1159
00:54:09,320 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: you have you have a J higher than Keenan Allen.

1160
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 4: Right, what did you say, A Brown?

1161
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 2: A J Brown higher than Keenan Allen?

1162
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 3: Do you have h Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1163
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I I actually I would I have Allan

1164
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 2: above Brown. I think there's a tear drop after those

1165
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,160
Speaker 2: top ten, including Allen, because I just think there's more

1166
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: questions about Brown that bring with it a low a

1167
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: potential lower floor. One of them is, you know, it

1168
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: always going to a new team. I think for somebody

1169
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 2: that what isn't like a DeVante Adams who is going

1170
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 2: to rely on pure volume. I think there's always a

1171
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 2: chance that, you know, just variants wise, things could go

1172
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 2: a little left. I think number two and Jeff you

1173
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:50,799
Speaker 2: kind of you kind of alluded to this, but like

1174
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 2: we have no idea how good Davonte Smith really is.

1175
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:57,319
Speaker 2: Like he had a very good rookie year, So there's

1176
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 2: a like I'm not saying like this is the media outcome,

1177
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: but I'm saying it's in the realm of possibility that

1178
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,439
Speaker 2: Davonte Smith is the number one receiver at this time

1179
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 2: next year. I'm I'm not trying to be a hot

1180
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 2: take artist. I'm just saying like, like this is it's

1181
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 2: not out of the question, where for pretty much every

1182
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 2: other guy we mentioned, it's out of the question, like

1183
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 2: they're gonna lead their team in catches and yards, like

1184
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 2: for this Philly teams, Like there's a chance that it's

1185
00:55:22,400 --> 00:55:23,280
Speaker 2: Devonte Smith.

1186
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: A J.

1187
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: Brown is very good, Devonte Smith could be very good.

1188
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: So like to me, there's just there's a more floor

1189
00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,759
Speaker 2: with Brown. And that's why I kind of I'm with

1190
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 2: Sean and like I think Jaylen Hurts is a is

1191
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: a great way to invest in this offense and in

1192
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 2: this passing offense because he's gonna make Brown's gonna make

1193
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 2: Hurts more efficient. We know that for a fact. But

1194
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 2: like will Brown go for like, you know, twelve hundred

1195
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 2: yards to ten touchdowns or will we go for like

1196
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 2: one thousand yards and seven touchdowns? Like there's there's a

1197
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 2: wider range of outcomes with I think a lower floor

1198
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 2: for Brown in my opinion going and it's just a

1199
00:56:01,719 --> 00:56:04,399
Speaker 2: new quarterback, you know. So that that's kind of why

1200
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm a little I'm a little more down on Brown

1201
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 2: where he's going, you know, than than maybe ADP Uh

1202
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 2: and uh. The last guy is T Higgins, Jeff, I mean,

1203
00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 2: is the way I'll kind of asked this question, does

1204
00:56:18,400 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 2: is he deserve to be the only non number one

1205
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 2: guy at the top twelve and ADP like he's he's

1206
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: that first guy that's really not a number one receiver

1207
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 2: that's in the top twelve.

1208
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 3: It's tricky, isn't it, because again, that recency bias is

1209
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: going to come into play and people are gonna remember

1210
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 3: T Higgins over the final half or the second half

1211
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,719
Speaker 3: of the season, final league games, roughly the season last year,

1212
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 3: or he was incredible, and they're gonna forget the first

1213
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 3: half of the season when he was a bit of

1214
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: a fantasy liability for a good chunk of that time.

1215
00:56:49,160 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 3: One would think the way that Joe Burrow is going though,

1216
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 3: that you know, ultimately he Higgins is just going to benefit.

1217
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 3: You know, Joe Burrow is the tide for everybody else,

1218
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: all the other votes in that offense.

1219
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:03,080
Speaker 4: So it's tricky.

1220
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 3: I've really grappled with this one because there are other

1221
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:08,799
Speaker 3: guys who could be in and around that range, Like

1222
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 3: do you put DJ Moore up there? There's a debate,

1223
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,719
Speaker 3: debate to be made, right, eleven hundred plus yards each

1224
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 3: the last four or three years, only four touchdowns in

1225
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: each of those seasons, but hopefully an upgrade with Baker

1226
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 3: Mayfield hopefully. Do you put Deontay Johnson, who just apparently

1227
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 3: got paid in that group or does he even have

1228
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 3: a quarterback like Mitchell Trubisky apparently is not performing well,

1229
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: surprise surprise, Mason Rudolph is in the mix for the

1230
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 3: starting job. Legitimately, that's where we are at this point

1231
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: in the year. So that's rough. Do you put Michael Pittman,

1232
00:57:42,200 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 3: who we just talked about in that category? It to

1233
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 3: me almost as if once you get outside of you know,

1234
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 3: and again, like to further your point, once you gets

1235
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 3: out outside of that top ten or maybe I might

1236
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,919
Speaker 3: throw Brown in at eleven, you do have a tear

1237
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: drop and then those guys clump together. So it is

1238
00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 3: it's really tricky. I do, admittedly actually have him ranked

1239
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 3: at twelve. But I've been back and forth about this

1240
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: over and over for for the reasons I just outlined

1241
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 3: about the inconsistency over the first part of the season,

1242
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 3: all off season.

1243
00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that that's very eloquent way to put it,

1244
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,600
Speaker 2: because I'm in the same boat. It's like the way

1245
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: I do my projections are. You know, I'm starting, I'm

1246
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: taking a top down approach. I'm projecting quarterbacks first and

1247
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:25,439
Speaker 2: kind of tinkering with that, and then then I'm doing

1248
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 2: you know, the market shares and all that stuff for

1249
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: the receivers, and you know, just based on my optimism

1250
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: for or just not even optimism, but it's kind of

1251
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: just my projection for Joe Burrow. You know, I think

1252
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:39,960
Speaker 2: I have him at the highest yards per tenth in

1253
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 2: the league. Like it's just that's where Higgins comes out

1254
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: for me, is wide receiver twelve. But there is I

1255
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 2: think this tear dropping. I think the DJ More point

1256
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 2: was good because you know, sometimes it's like there is

1257
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:53,440
Speaker 2: It's just there's kind of like, you know, do I

1258
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:55,360
Speaker 2: just take the number one receiver because he's a target,

1259
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 2: He's going to be a target. I would you know,

1260
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: even guys like going with a further down the list,

1261
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 2: like I could see Terry mclaurr and even like jumping

1262
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,560
Speaker 2: into that category, you know, at clear number one guy.

1263
00:59:03,560 --> 00:59:05,919
Speaker 2: I mean Michael Thomas, does he come back into that role?

1264
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: Brandon Cooks is gonna get all the time. They're just

1265
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: a lot of guys here. So I mean, Sean, like,

1266
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:12,800
Speaker 2: where are you on T Higgins? Is this a guy?

1267
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 4: First of all?

1268
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: Do you have him ranked where he's going? And secd

1269
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: of well, are you as comfortable taking him here? Or

1270
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 2: is this way you're trying to get your tight end

1271
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: or you're running back or something like that.

1272
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 5: Well, obviously I'm always gonna be a little bit higher

1273
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 5: on T. Higgins than consensus. That's just my mo. So yeah,

1274
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:29,880
Speaker 5: I have him wide receiver eleven. And to answer your

1275
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:32,680
Speaker 5: previous question, does he deserve to be the only non

1276
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 5: number one wide receiver in the top twelve? And my

1277
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 5: answer is of course. And I've seen a guy like

1278
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,240
Speaker 5: Jay and Waddle sneak into the top twelve.

1279
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:42,000
Speaker 1: He does not fit that doll like that.

1280
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:46,439
Speaker 5: Yeah, because the Bengals offense can absolutely support two top

1281
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 5: twelve wide receivers, So I think yeah. The problem with

1282
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:52,840
Speaker 5: Higgins though, is he's closer to his ceiling, so wide

1283
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 5: receiver twelve, you're not getting that much value with him there. Plus,

1284
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 5: as Jeff alluded to, he sits on top of a

1285
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 5: massive tier. I have a le wide receivers within ten

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01:00:01,640 --> 01:00:04,600
Speaker 5: projected points from him. So this is a time where

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Speaker 5: I'm going to probably wait at wide receiver, get one

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01:00:06,840 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 5: of these later guys that you can get Brandon Cooks

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01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:12,000
Speaker 5: way later and I'm only projecting for like six fewer points.

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01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 5: So this is when I like to attack, you know,

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01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 5: running back, tight end, maybe quarterback, whatever else is going on,

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01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 5: because there are going to be comparable receivers, you know,

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01:00:21,360 --> 01:00:24,200
Speaker 5: one or two rounds later. So although I love Higgins,

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01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 5: this is probably the top of a tier for me

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01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 5: where I'm probably going to be not getting as many

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01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 5: shares as I would like.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you know, early on the year when

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01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: when you know, kind of doing best Ball drafts, I

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01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: was going a lot more running back heavier in the

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01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: early rounds because there's just there's so much uncertainty in

1301
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 2: those with those other running back because you don't know

1302
01:00:41,240 --> 01:00:43,280
Speaker 2: who's going to be who, who's getting hurt, who's who's

1303
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: going to get the job. Now that we're starting to

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 2: get into camp and we're getting more information, I think

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01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 2: Jeff your point that you started the pie with about

1306
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: like you need one of those top receivers early now

1307
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 2: because there there is a tier job and it's really

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01:00:56,200 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 2: like once you start getting outside that top ten, it's

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01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 2: like it sounds actually like oh yeah, wide receiver eleven,

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01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:04,959
Speaker 2: wide receiver twelve, but like there's only like a few points,

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01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 2: like a tenth of a point between like that wide

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01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 2: receiver eleven and twelve and that like that number twenty

1313
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 2: twenty two, twenty three guy. So yeah, that's that that's

1314
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: kind of where I am on Higgins. Don't love the guy.

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01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: I mean, it still sticks. Somebody brought it up on

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01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: Twitter today.

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01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: Oh no, don't do this to me.

1318
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 2: I got to because I already went through it. So

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01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:24,200
Speaker 2: so Jeff, I don't know if you know, but Sean

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01:01:24,280 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 2: and I had we both had fifty to one MVP

1321
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:29,800
Speaker 2: tickets on T Higgins, and like we were watching the

1322
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 2: game together and like we were like, yeah, we got

1323
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,320
Speaker 2: this in the bag, and then we and then we didn't.

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01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:37,640
Speaker 5: Especially when Joe Mixing threw the touchdowns. Yeah for the MVP,

1325
01:01:38,120 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 5: that was like you couldn't draw it up any better

1326
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 5: than that to have the running back throw one of

1327
01:01:42,640 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 5: his touchdowns.

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01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 1: And then samaj p Ryan.

1329
01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now we're hearing all this friction, you know,

1330
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 2: like Mixing is like I should have just checked my

1331
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 2: myself back.

1332
01:01:53,240 --> 01:01:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no shit.

1333
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,240
Speaker 2: Hopefuls about that, oh man, But no, this is a

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01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:00,640
Speaker 2: great pot Jeff. We we really thank you for doing this.

1335
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,240
Speaker 2: You know, let the people know all the great work

1336
01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:05,160
Speaker 2: you're doing where they can find you what you're up

1337
01:02:05,200 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 2: to and any other party. Where's wisdom?

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01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, absolutely so ftnfantasy dot Com Serious XM. Monday

1339
01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: through Friday, ten and noon Eastern. We have a real

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01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,120
Speaker 3: original name for the show. It's called the Jeff Ratcliffe Show.

1341
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: We workshop that thing. Hard to figure that out. And

1342
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,360
Speaker 3: you know, I guess on Twitter as well at Jeff Radcliffe.

1343
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 3: If you hate, I'm gonna mute. So there's that. But

1344
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 3: you know, I mean generally speaking, going into your drafts.

1345
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 3: One of the things that I think has helped me

1346
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:40,000
Speaker 3: the most over the years and becoming a better drafter

1347
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:43,400
Speaker 3: is on draft day, keep it simple stupid.

1348
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 4: Now I'm stupid.

1349
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 3: I'm the one who I talk about when I say

1350
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: keep it simple stupid, because I used to go into

1351
01:02:48,080 --> 01:02:50,960
Speaker 3: drafts with like this master plan and the three ring

1352
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,200
Speaker 3: binder and in the laptop with fifteen different tabs open,

1353
01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,800
Speaker 3: and I was there and especially if I got maybe

1354
01:02:56,920 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 3: three adult beverages into the draft. I would be lost

1355
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: with all that information, so I like to do all

1356
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,600
Speaker 3: the preparation now and then on draft day.

1357
01:03:06,680 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 4: It's just like an NFL game.

1358
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,840
Speaker 3: We don't want to be thinking, we want to be reacting,

1359
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:13,680
Speaker 3: so I keep it as simple as possible on draft

1360
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 3: day so that I can make my opponents pay for

1361
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:16,560
Speaker 3: the mistakes.

1362
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 4: It's advice that has helped me. Hopefully it'll help the

1363
01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 4: listeners of this podcast.

1364
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 2: Well Put, Well Put. Jeff Radcliff again, thanks for doing this.

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01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:30,440
Speaker 2: We really enjoy your work and we'll look forward to

1366
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 2: to everything you're putting out. Guys can find Sean on

1367
01:03:32,840 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 2: Twitter at the Underscore Odds Maker. You can find me

1368
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,200
Speaker 2: on Twitter at Chris Raybond. You can find us at

1369
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: those same handles in the free award winning Action Network app. Also,

1370
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 2: be sure to check out actiondework dot com for our

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01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: fantasy rankings and content. And if you enjoy the pod,

1372
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 2: leave us a review. We'll be choosing our favorite five

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01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:53,680
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01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:56,640
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01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:06,080
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