1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,039 Speaker 1: It's where games are won and lost in the trenches. 2 00:00:07,320 --> 00:00:10,400 Speaker 1: Welcome Birg Gang. On today's show, Zach Kershman joins me, 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: we spent a good portion of the show talking about 4 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, both the offensive line and defensive line. 5 00:00:16,320 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 1: Who do the Cardinals have coming back? Who might they 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: be losing? And then what's the level of need when 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: looking ahead the free agency and the draft? But first, 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:28,560 Speaker 1: JJ Watt is just like us. It's Cardinals Cover two, 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: Episode seven nine, and it starts now. 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two. 11 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 3: Who to Baker? What Heart? 12 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: What rent? 13 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 3: This guy's unbelievable. 14 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 2: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of 15 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: the Arizona Cardinals, and by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts. Visit Acycardinals 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 2: dot com Slash Podcasts. 17 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 3: He's at the ten half of five. He's it again 18 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,200 Speaker 3: so far Harry Magic. 19 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 2: Whow Here's I agree a little? 20 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 1: So I think we can all relate to this young 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 1: Zach Gershman. And sometimes it's hard to relate to professional athletes. 22 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: But in this case, I'm gonna say I'm right there 23 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: with JJ Watt, former Cardinal defensive lineman who posted on 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: Wednesday of the following, does unsubscribe secretly mean send me 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: more emails please? 26 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:27,319 Speaker 2: I read that. 27 00:01:28,120 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: I laughed, and then I said, he's not wrong, because 28 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: my email inbox is always full daily despite hitting that 29 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: unsubscribe or going to that link and hitting please unsubscribe 30 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: me put your email address in and then hit enter. 31 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I get a lot of emails from, you know, 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 3: like accounts and companies that I never even looked up 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 3: to begin with, So I don't. I looked the way 34 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 3: technology works. Everybody's got our information. It's all in some 35 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 3: cloud and some is just running said cloud, and it's yeah, 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 3: everyone's got it. 37 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: But if you want something sent to you and you subscribe, 38 00:02:09,040 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: then okay. But once you're done, or it's the emails 39 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: that you get that you have no idea how they 40 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: wound up with your email address, and then you're getting 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:23,399 Speaker 1: unsolicited information products and all of a sudden, what was what? 42 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: Maybe twenty five thirty emails a day doubles darn near's 43 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: triples daily. 44 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:31,919 Speaker 3: But do you even open them up? 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: No? 46 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: I don't. I just I just right away delete, delete 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: or delete, send a junk. 48 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:35,919 Speaker 2: Know it's fun? 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 3: Does it still doesn't work? I know? We had the 50 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: cards cam, and I was watching some of our employees 51 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: and some of our coworkers and how they were, you know, 52 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 3: walking up to the camera. And some are saying, I 53 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 3: mean I was walking with Kevin, and Kevin had thirty 54 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,880 Speaker 3: nine thousand emails. I had zero. And I literally stopped him. 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 3: I go show me your phone right now. He wasn't kidding, 56 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,120 Speaker 3: But that's somebody, for example, that won't clear out his 57 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 3: email right away. I just the bubbles and just seeing 58 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,959 Speaker 3: that it's there, I'm afraid that I'm gonna miss something, 59 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:02,160 Speaker 3: so I write away it. Just look and then when 60 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: I see that it has absolutely zero relation to anything, 61 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:07,919 Speaker 3: and I just write away, delete it. 62 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 1: They are content and creative team set up a camera 63 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: video camera for employees to walk into the building with 64 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: a question underneath, and we're supposed to read it and 65 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: answer the question. And the one was the most recent 66 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: one was how many unread emails do you have? And yeah, 67 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: thirty nine? I just what do you think it's at now, 68 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: don't I don't know that would see that that. I 69 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: promise we'll get the cardinal talk here in a little bit, 70 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: But see that that would bother me anytime I have 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: unread emails of more than thirty or forty, because sometimes 72 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: you save an email and the highlights and then you 73 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 1: can find it easier if it's unread versus red. But yeah, 74 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: that would that would annoy me to no end. 75 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, now that's I ride away, like I just because 76 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 3: I when I look at my emails, I automatically assume 77 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 3: going back to what you're bringing up. There's just gonna 78 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 3: be the subscriber emails that I you know, I know 79 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 3: I pressed unsubscribed to and suddenly, you know, just keeps reappearing. 80 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 3: So like, I know that's a right way. I just 81 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 3: look at it. I just want to get those red 82 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 3: red dot in the corner out the way so that 83 00:04:15,160 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 3: when I do have at least one or two or 84 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 3: three or however many unread emails, at least I know 85 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 3: that I have to go back and check them out. 86 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,440 Speaker 1: Now I should clarify I read all work emails. Oh yeah, 87 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: Now we're talking about the non work the personal emails 88 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: and different email accounts versus your work accounts. So yes, 89 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: I can relate. We all can relate to JJ. 90 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 3: Okay, now, serious question here, how many emails do you. 91 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,920 Speaker 1: Have email addresses? 92 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 3: Yes? 93 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: Only two? 94 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: You only have two like one one personally, see, I 95 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:50,880 Speaker 3: have like a few different Like I have a Gmail 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 3: that's just like my Gmail that I kind of have 97 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 3: towards one thing, and then I have like a spam 98 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: one that I just put all my different like if 99 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 3: I'm going out to a store and they're like, do 100 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: you want to become a member, and I'm like, of 101 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,719 Speaker 3: course I do, please put on this email. So I 102 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 3: do that. I've not thought about that. Those are the 103 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 3: ones I write away delete though, because I know that 104 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 3: it's coming in. You know that's the category it's going 105 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 3: to be. 106 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: That's that's pretty ingenious right there. 107 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: It's an AOL account that I don't believe I have 108 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 3: the password two anymore. So regardless, I don't know if 109 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 3: I'm gonna be able to get out of it since. 110 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: You mentioned AOL, which I did have an AL account 111 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: a long time ago. But am I dating myself letting 112 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: everyone know here on Cardinals Cover two that I have 113 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: a Yahoo account versus a Gmail account or any other 114 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: email account? 115 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: Really? So, I mean now I know, so I don't 116 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:39,919 Speaker 3: look at it as a matter of dating yourself. I 117 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: just don't look at it as like, you know, you 118 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 3: could become a little bit more like modernized. 119 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:45,840 Speaker 1: I'm dating myself. 120 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: No, you're just not. 121 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,719 Speaker 1: You're being a lot more polite than just saying yes, 122 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 1: you're old. Craig has you. 123 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 3: Said it, though not me. I'm not saying I agree 124 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 3: with that. I'm just saying that I got a Gmail. 125 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 3: A lot of other people have gmails. You know, let's 126 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: get to some Cardinals football talk before I dig myself 127 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 3: into a whole good idea. 128 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: Speaking of work, you've been at work a lot recently 129 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 1: and that works. Oh yeah, that's true because remember we 130 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 1: read all work emails out here, but on Azycardinals dot com. 131 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: We have put young Zach to work here this offseason 132 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 1: because we've established that there is no such thing as 133 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: an off season, and the National Football League case in point, 134 00:06:30,360 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: scouting combine is one week away. Then you have free agency, 135 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: which is less than a month away, and then the draft, 136 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: which comes at the end of April, and then we 137 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 1: get into off season workouts. So ta's mini camping. Before 138 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: you know it, training camp is right around the corner. 139 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: And I say that out loud, like what happened to 140 00:06:47,520 --> 00:06:48,159 Speaker 1: my off season? 141 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: But you just had it? 142 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 1: Considering we just had our first Sunday without any football. Yeah, 143 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: sometimes you wish you could hit that fast forward button 144 00:06:57,120 --> 00:07:00,159 Speaker 1: on the off season to get to some action on 145 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:00,480 Speaker 1: the field. 146 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 3: What did you do on your Sunday if there was 147 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: no football? 148 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: What did I do? I don't think I did a 149 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: whole heck of a lot chores. Yard work, No, no 150 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: yard work. 151 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 3: Although it was nice out I heard it, I was 152 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 3: stuck in rainy Orlando for a few days. 153 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: Well that's your problem for leaving the state of Arizona 154 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 1: for a quick getaway. 155 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: I know, I really thought going back from like warm 156 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 3: weather to supposedly warm weather just turned into cold drain. 157 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: So that stunk a little. 158 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: Bit, all right. As we were talking Cardinals football, Zach 159 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: has been hard at work free agent primers because, as 160 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: we mentioned before, you know it, free agency will be 161 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,239 Speaker 1: upon us. Everyone likes talking about the draft, which we will, 162 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: but we kind of forget even though the scouting combine 163 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,280 Speaker 1: is in one week and Cardinals covered two will be 164 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. More on that momentarily, but we'll kind of forget. 165 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:53,160 Speaker 1: Everyone talks draft and free agency kind of sometimes gets 166 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 1: lost a little bit as far as the headlines are concerned. 167 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: Unless it's a big name free agent but free. 168 00:07:58,000 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 3: Agency is. 169 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: First the new league year March thirteenth, and all of 170 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,480 Speaker 1: a sudden, the Cardinals now can go shopping. The question 171 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: that we pose here is looking at different position groups, 172 00:08:10,520 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: and you have gone through eleven different position groups. We'll 173 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: talk about two here on this Wednesday, and that would 174 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: be the line of scrimmage, offensive line, and defensive line. 175 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 1: Both of these free agent primers, by the way, have 176 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: already been posted on easycardinals dot com. 177 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 3: I mean to go back a little bit. I think 178 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 3: that one of the reasons why the free agency might 179 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 3: be I don't use the term in afterthought, but it 180 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 3: might not be. The first thing at the front of 181 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 3: people's minds is because the Cardinals do hold two first 182 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 3: round picks, and that's exciting, and when when you look 183 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,319 Speaker 3: at the top one hundred picks, no team in the 184 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:46,199 Speaker 3: NFL has more top one hundred picks than the Arizona 185 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 3: Cardinals do with six. So there's a lot of different 186 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: options there within those first four rounds. Truly for a 187 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,439 Speaker 3: new player to come in and make an impact. Those 188 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 3: are players that you have control over truly of bringing in. 189 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 3: You draft them, you bring them in, you say we're 190 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 3: bringing you into the Valley, you're going to become the 191 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: newest Arizona Cardinal free agency. There's got to be a 192 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:06,560 Speaker 3: lot of mutual components that got to go into play 193 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 3: with that one. So when it comes to the defensive 194 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,559 Speaker 3: line the offensive line, both areas are really I put it, 195 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,680 Speaker 3: we have a kind of like a rating like is 196 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 3: this a medium level need, a high level need, a 197 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 3: low level need. Both of them are very high up 198 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 3: because that defensive line, you're losing a lot of different 199 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 3: pieces truly that you didn't really have much to begin with. 200 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 3: And an Ljkylierre and Carlos Watkins, both of them scheduled 201 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: to hit the free agency market. Both of them were 202 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 3: out in the beginning half of the season. LeKi Fo 203 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 3: two as well, he was out. So that defensive line, 204 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: there were a lot of injuries. They were lasting the 205 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 3: league and rushing defense allowing over one hundred and forty 206 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: yards a game. That's you know that that's an area 207 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 3: certainly of need. And on offensive side, that left side 208 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 3: of the offensive line, what do you do with DJ Humphries. 209 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: Is he going to be your guy when he does 210 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:52,839 Speaker 3: come back healthy? Do you draft somebody? Do you keep 211 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: Calvin Beacham in that left spot, what about a left guard. 212 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: Both Elijah Wilkinson and Tristan Cologne are scheduled to be 213 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 3: free agents, and that was a evolving door. So I know, 214 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 3: I'm just spitballing a lot because it's on the top 215 00:10:03,200 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 3: of the mind. But both areas are certainly high with need. 216 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: If there was a level above high, which we don't have, 217 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: But if there was a level above high, I would 218 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 1: put defensive line at that level and then offensive line 219 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 1: below it, at least in my opinion. But you look 220 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 1: at defensive line, and this is what you wrote on 221 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: Easycardinals dot com, showing up the defensive front will be 222 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,960 Speaker 1: one of the first boxes Austin Ford will look to 223 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: check off. And I don't think you're inaccurate in any 224 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: way now, whether that's free agency or the draft, the 225 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: defensive line I think has a lot of depth rotation players. 226 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: And it's nothing against the players who are under contract 227 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: or the players who are set to become unrestricted free 228 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,839 Speaker 1: agents who may be brought back. But you do not 229 00:10:51,080 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: have that star stud Pro Bowl All Pro within your roster, 230 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: within your Arizona card covered if you will, at least 231 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: not yet now, can maybe one of these younger players 232 00:11:05,320 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 1: develop into that perhaps, But when you look at the 233 00:11:08,480 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: defensive line and what this team did not have in 234 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, I'll go to this stat the team's 235 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: three starting d lineman in Week eighteen, we're not on 236 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: the roster to begin the season. Again, week eighteen, you're 237 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: starting three defensive linemen not on the roster to begin 238 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: this season. One. That's a sign of a number of injuries, 239 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: a number of players who just didn't pan out, and 240 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: you're trying to find something to work and you found 241 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: it at least in Week eighteen with Phil Hoskins, Roy 242 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 1: Lopez and Nakwon Jones. Now those players are under contract, 243 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: they'll be back next season as long as the Cardinals 244 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: want them back. But it's a starting point, it's not 245 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 1: an end point. When you talk about the defensive line. 246 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 3: I think Cardinals fans got, you know, they got I 247 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: got a taste of what it could look like when 248 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:03,600 Speaker 3: you have a Zach Allen and JJ Watt on that 249 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 3: defensive line, players that are able to get beyond the 250 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 3: offensive line and get to a quarterback and get those sacks. 251 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: I mean, we talked a little bit about how in 252 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:14,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty two outside of those two, your leading sack 253 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 3: getter on that defensive line was Jonathan Ledbetter, who had 254 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: one sole sack at this point. Yes, you had a 255 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: lot of those rotational pieces, and you need them. You 256 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 3: need rotational pieces that you could just rotate in because 257 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 3: that's something they talk about, is that rush and cover, 258 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 3: cover and rush, that rush component of it. Nick Rollis 259 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:34,320 Speaker 3: likes to rotate his guys on that defensive line and 260 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: within his edge rushers as well those outside linebackers. But 261 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 3: when you have six different players that have missed extensive 262 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: amount of games, I mean the thing about it, Dante Stills, 263 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 3: Dante kind of became the premier player on that defensive line. 264 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 3: He was kind of the standout. He was a rookie, 265 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: and he was also a healthy scratch in that Week 266 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 3: one game against the Washington Commanders. It truly does show 267 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: how this defensive line they did pretty well if you 268 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 3: all things considered with the pieces that they do have. 269 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 3: As you mentioned, though, there isn't that star player on 270 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: that defensive line that you could guarantee, or you kind 271 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 3: of hope to guarantee, you know, is going to get 272 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 3: their licks. Stills ended the season on IR with a 273 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 3: knee injury, but more of a knee sprain, so know 274 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 3: any long term effects in speaking with him after the season. 275 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 3: Your other concern, potentially because he's a restricted free agent, 276 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 3: is Jonathan Ledbetter, who underwent acl surgery in January. Again 277 00:13:28,600 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 3: restricted free agent. He'll be back as long as the 278 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 3: Cardinals want him back, and I would find the general manager, 279 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: which I am not, I would love to see Ledbetter back. 280 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 3: I would like to see maybe one or two of 281 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 3: the following beck who are set to become unrestricted free agents, 282 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 3: Carlos Watkins, LJ. Collier, Lucky Fotsu again, all very good players, 283 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 3: but I wouldn't put them in the category of greats. 284 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:57,320 Speaker 3: And in the case of Collier and Watkins, we saw 285 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,439 Speaker 3: so little of them on the field before biceps injuries 286 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 3: cost them the balance of the regular season. But when 287 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 3: they were on the field, they were effective. Now, are 288 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 3: they going to show up in the status sheet all 289 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 3: the time? Probably not? But are they doing their job? 290 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: Are they handling their role within the defense that Nick 291 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 3: Rowlis wants to run, so that sometimes you don't show 292 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 3: up on the stat sheet, but you're taking on your block, 293 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 3: maybe you're taking on a double team to allow the 294 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 3: guy next to your teammate to get the tackle or 295 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 3: tackle for loss or hopefully a takeaway. When LJ and 296 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: Carlos Watkins were both brought in, they were brought in 297 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: on one year proven deals basically, and that's what LJ. 298 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: Kylier said when he sat in front of the media 299 00:14:39,080 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: ahead of the season and he said, Hey, like my 300 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,400 Speaker 3: time in Seattle really did not go the way I 301 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:47,640 Speaker 3: wanted it to go. This is my chance to prove myself. Obviously, 302 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 3: injuries are part of the games, and you don't expect 303 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 3: or ever hope or wish for a player to tear 304 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 3: their bicep let alone, both Carlos Watkins and LJ. Kylier 305 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: being your one in one a truly as your starting 306 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: defensive tackle, your defensive ends. And then they both go 307 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: down week after week with or a week back to 308 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 3: back weeks with injuries in the way that they did, 309 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: and the same injury at that. So I'm sure those 310 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: conversations in the rehab room were probably quite fascinating between 311 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 3: the two because of the fact that they both were 312 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 3: brought in to do the same exact thing, and they 313 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 3: both unfortunately landed on ir with the same injury, with 314 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 3: one of those players, if not both, you kind of 315 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: you might not know what they were going to be 316 00:15:25,880 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 3: able to bring. You could only speculate. But I think 317 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,440 Speaker 3: going into the season, realizing that those are your two 318 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 3: starting defensive ends, that kind of gives you an understanding 319 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 3: of how and what the coaching staff truly thought of 320 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:38,920 Speaker 3: them during their first offseason donning the Cardinals Red. 321 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: If you look at you project here Dante Stills, Roy Lopez, 322 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: those two immediately come to mind as far as being 323 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: rotation pieces. Jonathan ledbetter depending on how quickly he's able 324 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: to heal from an ACL injury. And then you bring 325 00:15:54,520 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: back a Watkins, a Collier, a Foe two, maybe all 326 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,880 Speaker 1: three or one of the three or two of the three, 327 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: or you look elsewhere again, as I mentioned, also have 328 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,800 Speaker 1: Phil Hoskins, Nakwon Jones, and Ben Stilly as well. But 329 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: it is a position on that side of the ball 330 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: that really needs an upgrade. You can't account for injuries 331 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: that's gonna happen, but you do need to address the 332 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: defensive line because as you mentioned in the free agent 333 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 1: primer on Asycardinals dot com, and it's not all on the 334 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: defensive line, but that's where it starts. And that is 335 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: the rush defense. Cardinals dead last against the run. Six 336 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: teams allowed better than four and a half yards per play, 337 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 1: and the Cardinals ranked twenty ninth at four point six seven. 338 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: They allowed the fifth most rushing touchdowns in the league, 339 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: not all on the defensive line, but that's that first 340 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 1: wave of attack, and you don't want that running back 341 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: ball carrier to get to the second and third level. 342 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,160 Speaker 1: And too many times against the Cardinals defense, that's what 343 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 1: was happening. 344 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 3: And I think more so in the biggest cause of concern, 345 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 3: I guess the biggest red flag is it was really 346 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 3: against your division too. Kyn Williams truly think earned himself 347 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl spot simply based off the fact of 348 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 3: his performance against the Cardinals, not once, but twice. He 349 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: played in Week six when we went to Los Angeles, 350 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 3: all of us went to Los Angeles and we saw 351 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 3: Kyan Williams literally smoke the Arizona Cardinals defense, going from 352 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 3: rushing four yards in that first half to one hundred 353 00:17:19,800 --> 00:17:21,720 Speaker 3: and fifty four in the second half. And then he 354 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 3: comes back from injury Week twelve, they see him again 355 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: in State Farm Stadium and he replicates his exact performance. 356 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 3: Christian McCaffrey. And I understand Christian McCaffrey's the offensive player 357 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 3: of the year for a reason, but you gotta try 358 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 3: to limit and unfortunately, with a player like that, and 359 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 3: because of the rotational pieces you have, you don't have 360 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: that main big man up front that's able to stop, 361 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 3: try to get not even let him get beyond that 362 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 3: first line of defense that you alluded to. To even 363 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,879 Speaker 3: try to let the linebackers or the safeties try to 364 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 3: get in and make a stop. You have to have 365 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 3: those big man up front try to make a stop. 366 00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 3: And unfortunately, within your own division, that was a struggle. 367 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: Williams averaged almost eight and a half yards of Carrie 368 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: McCaffrey almost six yards a carry in the two games 369 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: that both of them play it against the Cardinals defense 370 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,439 Speaker 1: and specifically against the NFC West. The Cardinals' seven worst 371 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: performance as far as stopping the run, four of the 372 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: seven came against teams within the NFC West. And that's 373 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:22,160 Speaker 1: where you have to look when you're upgrading or looking 374 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: to upgrade your roster. All right, who are we playing? 375 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: And we know every single year there are six games 376 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: against your opponents within the division, and everything else fills 377 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: in to get to seventeen. I got a bunch of 378 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: numbers and a bunch of stats. I can tell you 379 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: exactly what's wrong with that Cardinals defensive line. Now it's 380 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: not up to me to figure out the solutions. But 381 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: is that in the draft? Is that in free agency? 382 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: Probably a combination of both. I don't think you need 383 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:53,160 Speaker 1: to spend big money on one particular player. This team 384 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: has too many holes at too many positions to go 385 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: break the bank with one or two players. But I 386 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: would like to see some real dollars spent along that 387 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: defensive line. 388 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 3: Of course, you need somebody that you could count on 389 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:10,479 Speaker 3: on that defensive line that in regardless, like I understand 390 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 3: that there's like a Christian Wilkins, Chris Jones is likely 391 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 3: going to be going back to the Kansas City Chiefs. 392 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,399 Speaker 3: There's a lot of different players that you're able to 393 00:19:17,440 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 3: bring in on that defensive line through free agency, whatever 394 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,679 Speaker 3: that whoever that may be. Yeah, justin Adobuku from the 395 00:19:23,720 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 3: Baltimore Ravens as well. There are going to be a 396 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:28,920 Speaker 3: lot of different options that you can bring people within 397 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 3: the division, like a Leonard Williams, for example, from the 398 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,439 Speaker 3: Seattle Seahawks, and that goes far because you know that 399 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 3: you're taking them away from another team within your division. 400 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,920 Speaker 3: But you just I agree because I think that there 401 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 3: are a lot of different ways you're able to bring 402 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,840 Speaker 3: in some of these defensive these defensive linemen, especially on 403 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: the interior through their draft. There's a to and Andre Sweat, 404 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 3: who's a huge body from the University of Texas. He's 405 00:19:50,760 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 3: somebody that you could get in too. And round two 406 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 3: or round three. Once again, as we started this off 407 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 3: with more, there's no team in the NFL that has 408 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 3: more out top one hundred picks than the Arizona Cardinals 409 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: do with six. There are a lot of different options 410 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 3: you're able to bring in, but you also want to 411 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 3: have somebody that's a little bit more established. So I agree. 412 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 3: You don't want to throw the entire bank at a 413 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 3: defensive linement, and you don't really have much money to 414 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,159 Speaker 3: spend anywhere else, but you have to put some dollars 415 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:19,280 Speaker 3: into bringing in a solid role player, a solid piece 416 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: that isn't just your rotational player that we've come accustomed 417 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 3: to seeing it. 418 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 1: Yeah, you love the youth, but you don't want a 419 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,399 Speaker 1: bunch of young guys at any one particular position and 420 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 1: when you talk about free agency, I know there's a 421 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: bunch of names out there. You listed a handful of them, 422 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: but are they going to be available come March thirteenth? 423 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,919 Speaker 1: When it comes to unrestricted free agency? Do they re 424 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: sign with their current team so they get tagged by 425 00:20:44,320 --> 00:20:47,239 Speaker 1: their current team so they don't go anywhere, And then 426 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: obviously it's okay, Yeah, they might be on the open market, 427 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: but now all of a sudden, all thirty one other 428 00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: teams have the option to pursue and at that point 429 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,679 Speaker 1: it's nine times out of ten. Then the almighty dollar 430 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 1: that sways a player from one team to the next team. 431 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 3: Of course, but I do think a lot of it 432 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:10,880 Speaker 3: also does. And the dollars are most cases the biggest 433 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 3: component as to who you're bringing it, because if dollars weren't, 434 00:21:14,200 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: you know, thought of a lot of these players would 435 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,240 Speaker 3: be staying where they're most comfortable with, or the players 436 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:20,439 Speaker 3: and the coaches they're most comfortable with. But I do 437 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 3: think that also opens up the door because a lot 438 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 3: of these guys in the NFL, they all talk with 439 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 3: one another, and you look at a weekend like the 440 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 3: Super Bowl, where everybody seems to be gutted together. I 441 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 3: don't doubt that a Jonathan Ledbetter would go up and 442 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:34,639 Speaker 3: start talking to other friends that he might have in 443 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,880 Speaker 3: the defensive line and say, hey, we we have here 444 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 3: with the Arizona Cardinals. Not in the tampering type of way, 445 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: but in just a genuine conversational type of way. You 446 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 3: could see the type of fight that the Cardinals had 447 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 3: on the field despite just not even having any of 448 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 3: those those star players. You know the type of coach, 449 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 3: and one of the things I wrote is there's a 450 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 3: better of an idea of what again in Austin fort 451 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,399 Speaker 3: regime looks like, and what a playing style looks like, 452 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 3: the type of players that they want. And I think 453 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: that that might be attractive to free agents because last 454 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 3: year they probably didn't look at the Arizona Cardinals a 455 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 3: first year head coach, first year general manager and say, oh, 456 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:11,119 Speaker 3: I want to start over. Yes, the Cardinals are still 457 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 3: processing and going through that rebuild, but you have a 458 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 3: better idea as to what the end goal is and 459 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 3: what the potential could be. 460 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: There's no greater recruiting tool than your own players touting 461 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 1: how good they like it, whether it's here somewhere else, 462 00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 1: but players speak to your point, especially when you're at 463 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl or a large gathering the Super Bowl 464 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: players do talk, and you hope that they're talking up 465 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: what the Cardinals did despite the four and thirteen record. 466 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 1: All right, so defensive line again a high level of need. 467 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I would even go higher than that, but again that's me. 468 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 1: And just below defensive line, not far below defensive line, 469 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: is offensive line because, as they say, it always comes 470 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: down to the trenches. Games are one and lost at 471 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and the offensive line is another 472 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: high priority. Eleven players are under contract, and that does 473 00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: include four fifths of your starting unit from last season. 474 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:17,439 Speaker 1: DJ humphreyes Paris Johnson, Yelled, Afroholt, Well Hernandez. Now the 475 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: asterisk here is you don't know about Humphries and his 476 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,760 Speaker 1: availability coming off the ACL injury. However, Kelvin Beacham is 477 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,360 Speaker 1: under contract and he may be one of your two 478 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: starting tackles to begin twenty twenty four with Humphreys' uncertainty 479 00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:36,120 Speaker 1: as far as his availability middle of the season later 480 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:40,040 Speaker 1: in the season not at all, who knows. But you 481 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: have more pieces on the offensive line that one. You 482 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: know how good they are at their jobs and in 483 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: not as many holes, it's more of a depth that 484 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: you're looking at. And as far as starting position, okay, 485 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: maybe it's a tackle spot, but definitely left guard. You 486 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: don't know what you have right now. 487 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:02,359 Speaker 3: Yeah, And as I mentioned, it was kind of that 488 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 3: revolving door between Tristan Cologne and Elijah Wilkinson. When Elijah 489 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 3: Wilkinson went on IR for his neck injury, that is 490 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 3: when Tristan Colon came in. He started a handful of games, 491 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,199 Speaker 3: and then Carl o'donald started to come in, and then 492 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 3: it went back to Tristan Colonne, and then it went 493 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: to Elijah Wilkinson again once he was healthy, and then 494 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 3: they both started swapping snaps during games, not even just 495 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,320 Speaker 3: who not even just a matter of who started it was. 496 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 3: I was struggling between putting this out a medium and 497 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 3: a high rating because the right side of the offensive 498 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: line with Paris and Will Hernandez and truthfully with Yell Defroholt, 499 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 3: you have confidence there. You have confidence there, and that's 500 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: why I was like, all right, three out of five 501 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: is that a medium or a high? But I do 502 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 3: think not knowing what you're getting out of a franchise 503 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 3: left tackle because DJ Humphries is going to be injured 504 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 3: and he's going to be out for majority of the season. 505 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: Kelvin Beachum is a great piece to have there. He's 506 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,280 Speaker 3: a veteran, he's consistent. You know exactly what you're going 507 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 3: to be getting out of him. But there are a 508 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: lot of players mo and truthfully, a lot of them 509 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 3: are going to be focused on in the draft process 510 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: free agency. You can bring in a guard. There's a 511 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 3: handful of different ones that you're going to be able 512 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 3: to bring in potentially if they want to come here 513 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 3: and come on that offensive line. I do think a 514 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: big component of it is that rushing game. These offensive 515 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 3: linemen loved the ground and pound game, and when you 516 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,159 Speaker 3: have a running back like James Connor that's able to 517 00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 3: rush for over one thousand yards, that's where a lot 518 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 3: of these offensive linemen a get their paychecks because they're 519 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 3: able to show that we're able to create these gaps 520 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,439 Speaker 3: but be there. That's what they enjoy doing, being in 521 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 3: the trenches. That's when the game is won and lost. 522 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: Top five rushing to Tech number two as far as 523 00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: rushing yards per play, and yeah, credit James Connor and 524 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: the rest of the running backs but they are not 525 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: able to do their jobs unless the offensive line does 526 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: its job. And I do think that was one of 527 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: the more surprising aspects of last season, just how well 528 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:58,199 Speaker 1: that offensive line run rand block as far as opening 529 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:01,800 Speaker 1: up rushing lanes for all the different ballcarriers the Cardinals 530 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: had last season. But left guard's a question mark, and 531 00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: I understand the thinking medium versus high. But even if 532 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:14,600 Speaker 1: even if DJ Humphreys was completely healthy going into this offseason, 533 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 1: offensive line interior and the tackle position would still be 534 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: a talking point with that number four pick, with that 535 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: number twenty seven pick, with a Day two pick in 536 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: the second or third round, because Humphreys last year of 537 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:33,440 Speaker 1: his contract, ro Holt last year of his contract, well, 538 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: Ernandez last year of his contract, So you're also you're 539 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: looking at twenty twenty four. You're also looking at beyond, 540 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 1: and that's where the drafts, free agency there you can 541 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: plug holes. Draft is more about, especially if it's top 542 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: ten pick, the immediacy, but also, okay, where do I 543 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: see this player if I draft late in the first 544 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: round or on Day two or Day three, where do 545 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: I see them in two or three years down the line? 546 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 1: Do they become a starting player for us and here 547 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: talking about the offensive line. 548 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,239 Speaker 3: Truthfully, the one the main reason why I put it 549 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 3: as a high priority is because Kyler Murray's eight games 550 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 3: he was sacked eighteen times. Josh Dobbs in his eight 551 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: games he was sacked seventeen times. The quarterback got hit 552 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,919 Speaker 3: quite a bit throughout the season, regardless of which quarterback 553 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 3: it was. So that offensive line, while they were consistent 554 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 3: at times, they also did let a lot of hits 555 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 3: happen to the quarterback. And you got to keep your 556 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 3: quarterback upright. That's the number one priority, is the health 557 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: and safety of your quarterback. And when you have a 558 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 3: mobile quarterback with the agility and the ability to get 559 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,600 Speaker 3: out the pocket like Kyler Murray, you gotta have somebody 560 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:42,480 Speaker 3: out there that is going to be able to block 561 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: and block for longer periods of times, those eight plus seconds, 562 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: because Kyler Murray is going to be making that Murray 563 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: magic in the backfield, trying to scramble for some extra yards, 564 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 3: try to get his wide receivers open through extra seconds 565 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 3: holding the rock. So that's a big component of it. 566 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 3: With the future of the line, yeah, you mention it. 567 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 3: There's a lot of players that are going to be 568 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: heading the market in the coming years. You have a 569 00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 3: Paris Johnson junior on lock for the future. But we're 570 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,679 Speaker 3: gonna be having this conversation again next year, and the 571 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 3: conversation is going to be, well, who you bringing back? 572 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 3: Which of these offensive linemen are you bringing back? This 573 00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 3: is the year where guards and tackles are at a premium. 574 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 3: It's crazy how this year's draft there's always like that 575 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: one draft where it's like it seems like you can't 576 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 3: go wrong. There's so many different options out there, at 577 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,680 Speaker 3: least on paper, that's what it seems like, whether it's 578 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 3: with the wide receivers or the defensive lineman or the 579 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 3: offensive lineman. In this draft, there's definitely a lot of 580 00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 3: different players to choose From. 581 00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: NFL networks, Daniel Jeremiah his Top fifty, his first listing 582 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: of his fifty best prospects, has seven offensive linemen in 583 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: his top eighteen and many of the big names likely 584 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: to be gone by pick number twenty seven. But if 585 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: you look at some of the mock drafts, Jordan Morgan, Tyler, Geiden, 586 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: JC Latham some of the names that potentially could be 587 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: there for the Cardinals at twenty six. However, if you 588 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 1: like offensive tackle Joe Altz, He's not going to be 589 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,320 Speaker 1: there at twenty seven, and maybe do you invest in 590 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: that fourth overall pick. Certainly wouldn't please the fan base. 591 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: It wouldn't really move the meter as far as get 592 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: people excited, because once again, for the second straight year, 593 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: you're drafting with your first pick at offensive tackle. But 594 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: as we talked about, games are won and loss in 595 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: the trenches, and a quarterback cannot do his job if 596 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: he's on the ground, and to me, offensive line, it 597 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: would not surprise me. Let me put it that way, 598 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: if the Cardinals do go offensive tackle with that fourth pick, 599 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: regardless of Marvin Harrison Junior, or they trade down, get 600 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: some draft capital and still take one of the top 601 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:48,680 Speaker 1: offensive tackles. 602 00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 3: If Marvin's on the board. In my opinion, if Marvin's 603 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 3: on the board, you either are trading and getting a 604 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 3: boatload of stuff coming your way for that number four 605 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 3: selection or your draft Marvin. I think in Marvin's on 606 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 3: the board, he has to be your pick, or you're 607 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,720 Speaker 3: trading out to get a boatload and hopefully going down 608 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 3: maybe to six or seven on the board and still 609 00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 3: getting one of those premier offensive linemen. If Marvin's not 610 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 3: on the board, then I have no issues and I 611 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 3: don't understand why the fan base would have an issue 612 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 3: going off of that point about winning the game in 613 00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,320 Speaker 3: the trenches. Yeah, it might not be the stud player 614 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 3: that's going to be appearing on the stat sheet every 615 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 3: single Sunday, But going back to your point, that's where 616 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,000 Speaker 3: you win and lose the game is within the trenches. 617 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 3: So if Marvin's off the board, I don't see a 618 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 3: reason why you wouldn't want to bring in either Joe 619 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 3: Walt or Oulu or a lot of the other guys 620 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 3: that are starting to pop up on the board. 621 00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 1: And in your scenario, Harrison's off the board, which he 622 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: is on Daniel Jeremiah's most recent mock draft, he has 623 00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: Harrison going number three to the Patriots and then the 624 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,320 Speaker 1: Cardinals taking a wide receiver in the league neighbors not 625 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: going offensive line. But your scenario is not unlike a 626 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: year ago, Cardinals are on the clock, Well Anderson, someone 627 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: wants Will Anderson more so than maybe the Cardinals did. 628 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 1: We found out later that no, they wanted Paris Johnson 629 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:09,040 Speaker 1: Junior even at number three if no trade had materialized, 630 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: and that just kind of leads me to the thinking 631 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: that many austin Ford values that line of scrimmage on 632 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: both sides of the ball to the point where he 633 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 1: would not be afraid or hesitant to pull the trigger 634 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: on an offensive tackle with that fourth overall pick. Again, 635 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: wide receiver. This is a deep draft and wide receiver. 636 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: It's a fascinating conversation leading up to the drafts and 637 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,800 Speaker 1: we've got several more weeks of conversation. We'll have it 638 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 1: all next week in Indianapolis at the scouting combine, and 639 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to go maybe April first, 640 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,200 Speaker 1: or a couple of months after the draft, and whether 641 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: anyone will admit or not, but really dive into that 642 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:54,520 Speaker 1: conversation the difference of opinions, because I do think we'll 643 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,719 Speaker 1: learn more about the general manager and this front office 644 00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 1: and this year's then perhaps a year AGO's draft. In 645 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. 646 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 3: Three, you're able to see the success that Manti austin 647 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 3: Ford was was able to have. But as we talked 648 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 3: about in the beginning, you hope you never hope that 649 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 3: every single one of your rookies are playing the meaningful 650 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 3: snaps that this team was playing. You hope that you 651 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 3: have solidified pieces that are in there, that our veterans 652 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 3: that are able, that you know are a little bit 653 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 3: more consistent than just your young bucks that are coming 654 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 3: in and trying to make an impact right away. Obviously, 655 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 3: you want your first few rounds to be making their 656 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,200 Speaker 3: making their mark and playing meaningful snaps. And that's what 657 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 3: you're able to get out of a Parish Johnston Junior. 658 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: That's what you're able to get out of a b 659 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 3: Jo Jalarian and Michael Wilson. Those are the first few 660 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,080 Speaker 3: rounds that you hope and expect to be playing meaningful snaps. 661 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 3: You don't expect for the sixth and seventh round picks 662 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 3: to be playing as much as this year's Cardinal team 663 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 3: was playing, but it would not surprise me to see 664 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: Monty pull the trigger but personally putting on the Zach 665 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 3: Gershman GM cap. I think that, and we're gonna have 666 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 3: these conversations in the mock draft trackers I'll be having 667 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,560 Speaker 3: over the next couple of weeks on Asycardinals dot com 668 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 3: as we lead into draft season, once free agency starts 669 00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 3: to slow down a little bit, there's going to be 670 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,239 Speaker 3: a lot of differing of opinions as to what you 671 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: take with that number four, And if you take a 672 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: wide receiver at number four, then are you taking that 673 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 3: lineman at twenty seven? If you take that lineman at 674 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,520 Speaker 3: number four, do you take a wide receiver at twenty seven. 675 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: There's a lot of different conversations we're going to be 676 00:33:22,840 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 3: able to have because of it. But knowing that we 677 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: have two first round picks Arizona Cardinals do that definitely 678 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 3: gives you a little bit more options because you're hoping 679 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 3: for a Day one starter or a game one starter 680 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 3: with that twenty seventh overall pick as well. The mock 681 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,800 Speaker 3: draft tracker will first show up on Easycardinals dot Com 682 00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 3: on Thursday, depending on when you're listening to this edition 683 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 3: of Cardinals Cover two persented by Hyundai Pro partner of 684 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 3: the Arizona Cardinals. And right now, many of the mocks, 685 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 3: maybe nine out of every ten, have the Cardinals, barring trades, 686 00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 3: selecting Marvin Harrison with that fourth overall pick because many 687 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 3: will leave quarterbacks go one, two, three. Now, is that 688 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 3: what happens on April twenty seventh or twenty fifth, I 689 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 3: don't know, because between now and then, Zach, we can 690 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 3: talk ourselves in and out of different scenarios. This is 691 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 3: gonna happen. No, this is gonna happen. No one knows. 692 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: It's all in opinion. It's great conversation, it's great content, 693 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: and it's what we have here in the offseason because 694 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,879 Speaker 1: the NFL does a great job of making sure that 695 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,399 Speaker 1: it is top of mind all year long. 696 00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 3: Here's what I'll say. Last year, I was looking through 697 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 3: the mock draft tracker one point zero and two point 698 00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 3: zero did not even have Paris Johnson Junior mentioned. So 699 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 3: a lot of different things are gonna be able to 700 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,760 Speaker 3: come out as the combine rolls on, as we get closer, 701 00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,360 Speaker 3: once free agency starts to get itself figured out a 702 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 3: little bit. If the Cardinals are bringing in a lot 703 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: of defensive interior defensive linemen, you might not be expecting 704 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 3: them to draft that high up a defensive lineman. Same 705 00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 3: with that offensive line. You kind of expect for them 706 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: to draft one or two, but that might not be 707 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: within your first three picks, is what I would say. 708 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 3: A lot's going to change along the way. 709 00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,200 Speaker 1: I brought up Joe Alt and I don't want to 710 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 1: discredit into the other top tier tackles, namely the one 711 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: from Penn State. Because of where you went to school. 712 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 1: But Olu Fashionu, I know that would probably be your 713 00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,680 Speaker 1: preference to flood the locker room with Nitney Lyons. I'm 714 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: just I want to make sure that everyone knows I 715 00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: just brought up Joealt because well, alphabetical, it's the first 716 00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: offensive tackle on the board. 717 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 3: Look, I'm not saying I would be anti having a 718 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 3: Nitney Lion in the locker room. You want the best 719 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 3: piece for this team that's going to be able to 720 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 3: help the Arizona Cardinals get into contention. But selfishly, I 721 00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: wouldn't be against seeing a guy that I come in 722 00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 3: I saw coming as a freshman at Penn State, and 723 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 3: you know, they mispronounced his first name. I had his 724 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,839 Speaker 3: first and last name when they brought him into the room, 725 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:54,520 Speaker 3: and then he kind of solidified himself and he said, look, 726 00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,120 Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you know my name. And this is 727 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,160 Speaker 3: exactly what happened. He could have been a first round selection. 728 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,720 Speaker 3: Last year. I went back to school valued his degree 729 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 3: was up for the academic Heisman out there. Don't believe 730 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,239 Speaker 3: he won it, but he's a smart talent. He's a 731 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 3: good talent. He is starting to slip down in a 732 00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:12,600 Speaker 3: lot of different draft boards. I think mainly because of 733 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 3: the quarterback conversation. When you have a guy like JJ 734 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 3: McCarthy starting to go up on the up in the rakings, 735 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 3: you have a Malik Neighbors, a lot of these different 736 00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 3: wide receivers. There's a lot of different options that a 737 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 3: lot of different teams. I know I'm saying a lot, 738 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 3: but there's a lot of different options that different teams 739 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 3: could bring in. 740 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,360 Speaker 1: The name JJ McCarthy is going to be something to 741 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: keep an eye on, especially next week in Indianapolis. How 742 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,280 Speaker 1: old does he test? How old does the interview? Because 743 00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,840 Speaker 1: as our colleague Paul KALBC likes to say, QB four, 744 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 1: who is that fourth QB not named Caleb Williams, Drake 745 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 1: May and Jayden Daniels? Is there another quarterback that can 746 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: push their way up to that top four? Irregardless if 747 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 1: three quarterbacks go one, two and three, quarterbacks always get 748 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,840 Speaker 1: pushed up the board. And then we hear Daniel Jeremiah 749 00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,879 Speaker 1: believe it was during Super Bowl weekend mention that next 750 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,280 Speaker 1: year's draft class is not nearly as good. So perhaps 751 00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: maybe this year's draft class JJ McCarthy a bow Knicks 752 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: Michael Pennix. Perhaps they get drafted maybe above what they 753 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:22,440 Speaker 1: should be. They're selected higher than maybe they're ranked overall, 754 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:25,920 Speaker 1: but you always value the quarterback higher than any other position. 755 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:27,480 Speaker 3: That's where you got to look at a teammate the 756 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 3: New York Giants. There there's questions about Daniel Jones. I 757 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,319 Speaker 3: don't believe you put you know, Tommy DeVito as your 758 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: QB one. You have those different quarterbacks on the market, 759 00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:39,080 Speaker 3: they're probably going to be looking at to you know, 760 00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,400 Speaker 3: jump in front. Or they could even try to trade 761 00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 3: for number four with the Arizona Cardinals and either they 762 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 3: bring in a JJ McCarthy or they just trade up 763 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,360 Speaker 3: and try to bring in to Marvin Harrison Junior to 764 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 3: try to complement the different types of quarterbacks that they 765 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:51,439 Speaker 3: do have in that room. 766 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: Giants at six, Titans at seven, Will Levis, Falcons at eight, 767 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter, you know, and then you got the Vikings, 768 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,759 Speaker 1: Broncos and Raiders in the early teens, and they're all 769 00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: looking for quarterbacks, at least from the outside looking in. 770 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: It's great to be in this position where you don't 771 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: have to worry about the quarterback. Now, it's just putting 772 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: talents around the quarterback in I do believe it's going 773 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: to be an offensive player with that first round pick, 774 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,720 Speaker 1: whether that's at number four or somewhere on the teams, 775 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 1: but wherever the Cardinals make that first pick, it's my 776 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: opinion going to be an offensive player. 777 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 3: I believe also that the coaching staff and MANI will 778 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,880 Speaker 3: probably talk with Kyler as well and ask him, hey, 779 00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:37,320 Speaker 3: you have your option here. You can have a wide receiver, 780 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,880 Speaker 3: depending also on what you do with Hollywood Brown and 781 00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,480 Speaker 3: Greg George. Beyond that, you really have Michael Wilson in 782 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,399 Speaker 3: your room and he's kind of the euro player at 783 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 3: the moment. Do you want to bring in another offensive 784 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 3: lineman because we know Kyler was very high on having 785 00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 3: Paris Johnson Junior come into Tempe and block for him 786 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 3: on that offensive line on that book end. Now, is 787 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 3: it going to be we want another bookend tackle or 788 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,439 Speaker 3: do you want Marvin Harrison Junior. I think that could 789 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,240 Speaker 3: also be a really big part of their judgment because 790 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 3: they've been convicted and Kyler Murray being their franchise quarterback 791 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,600 Speaker 3: for this go around. 792 00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,800 Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with soliciting in the opinion of your starting quarterback, 793 00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: and that's all it would be. He would be given 794 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: an opinion, he wouldn't be making he wouldn't be a GM. 795 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 1: But you ask for every different opinion, different opinions at 796 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,520 Speaker 1: times as well, just to make sure you're making the 797 00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,480 Speaker 1: best educated guests as possible, because at the end of 798 00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: the day, that's all this is. It's an educated guest. 799 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 1: No one knows for certain. You're not going to know 800 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: until three, four or five years down the. 801 00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,839 Speaker 3: Road, and this will be one of those things that 802 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,520 Speaker 3: even guys right now like bj O Julari has played 803 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 3: quite well his rookie year, but he didn't have a 804 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 3: training camp, he didn't have you know that those those 805 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 3: year two, year three, year four, that's when you're really 806 00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 3: able to see the development of a lot of these 807 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 3: players and kind of have that bust or not bust label, 808 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 3: whatever it could be. But those years are when you 809 00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 3: start getting your feet under you a little bit, and 810 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:02,960 Speaker 3: that's when really determinant if a Parish Johnson junior truly 811 00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:06,080 Speaker 3: does pan out to be an elite tackle who from 812 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 3: this class comes in because we're talking about Marvin Harrison 813 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,120 Speaker 3: Junior could be the next great prospect, but he also 814 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 3: might not be. The game of the college game, doesn't 815 00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 3: always translate to the pros quick programming notes. We don't 816 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520 Speaker 3: do it often, but we are taking Cardinals Cover two 817 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,400 Speaker 3: on the road. We will be in Indianapolis all of 818 00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,200 Speaker 3: next week. Travel day on Monday, so our coverage will 819 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,920 Speaker 3: worly begin, our content gathering will worally ramp up on Tuesday. 820 00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 3: Red Sea Report anticipate being live from Indianapolis. Cardinals Underground 821 00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,560 Speaker 3: in Indianapolis as well. Zach Can'll be back here holding 822 00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 3: down the ford for all of us, starn Urban, myself, Danny, Surrek, 823 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 3: will All and I believe it's a total of seven 824 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160 Speaker 3: of us heading to Indianapolis. Paul and I will have 825 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:51,959 Speaker 3: a lot of fun. 826 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 1: You can get a lot of work done. It'll be quiet. 827 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 3: I'm gonna we have the rest of the primers to 828 00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,000 Speaker 3: get through. We got the rest of the primers to 829 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,760 Speaker 3: get through, and so a lot of potential knock drafts 830 00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,919 Speaker 3: to continue to look at. 831 00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:09,920 Speaker 1: By the way, the primer schedule daily correct essentially quarterback back, 832 00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:14,040 Speaker 1: after defensive line, offensive line. We've got quarterback, inside linebackers, 833 00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,480 Speaker 1: special teams, wide receiver, cornerback, running back, safety, tight end, 834 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:18,840 Speaker 1: and outside linebacker. 835 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll have a break while you guys are at 836 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 3: the Combine, so we could get the appropriate amount of 837 00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,640 Speaker 3: Combine coverage because that's the week where all eyes are 838 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:29,480 Speaker 3: set on the future of the NFL, not the present 839 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,959 Speaker 3: day of the NFL. So we'll let you guys gather 840 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 3: all the coverage there from Indye, Paul and I will 841 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,799 Speaker 3: be holding down the ship here in Tempe and we'll 842 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,360 Speaker 3: be preparing for what the future of the Arizona Cardinals 843 00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 3: could look like with those cornerbacks, the running backs, the safeties, 844 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:45,920 Speaker 3: the tight ends, and the outside linebackers. I think the 845 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:48,359 Speaker 3: outside linebackers is going to be a really interesting room 846 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 3: as to who you're bringing in. 847 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: Looking forward to next week in Indianapolis, and again more 848 00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,800 Speaker 1: details on Easycardinals dot Com throughout the days and weeks 849 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,400 Speaker 1: to come as we get ready for the start a 850 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:03,440 Speaker 1: free agency and of course the draft as well at 851 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: the end of April. On that note, we'll put a 852 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: lid on this edition of Cardinals Cover two, presented by Hyundai, 853 00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 1: proud partner of the Arizona Cardinals. As always, special thanks 854 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 1: to those behind the scenes, our executive producer Joe Mamahudre, 855 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,040 Speaker 1: our associate producer Coddy Fincher for Zach Kershman. I'm Craig Raildo. 856 00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,640 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time here on Cardinals cover two.