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Speaker 1: This will be a split episode. We will talk to

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Speaker 1: We'll talk about Dancing with the Stars this season, we'll

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Speaker 1: and just a bit. And also we'll talk to our

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Speaker 1: friend is a program director in California, and so um,

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Speaker 1: people often wonder what in the world does a radio

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Speaker 1: in studio, we'll talk to our buddy Brent, who is

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Speaker 1: And so if you've ever wonder what radio program director does,

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Speaker 1: that's that's what this will be. So UM, I think

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Speaker 1: I was trying to think about what this podcast is about.

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Speaker 1: Like if we were just taking a tag it with

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Speaker 1: and about music. That's basically what we do. We talk

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Speaker 1: to creative people and then we also talk about music.

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Speaker 1: Because I was I was talking to Amy has a

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Speaker 1: great podcast called four Things with Amy Brown, and I said, hey,

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Speaker 1: to put my face on the on the logo too,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise it's just a couple of words. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: So I was talking to Amy check that out Four

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Speaker 1: Things with Amy Brown. I'm gonna go ahead and get

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Speaker 1: Lena and shoot some Dancing with the Star and stuff.

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Speaker 1: But Sharna Burgess and then our friend Brent, who works

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Speaker 1: of catch us up on what a program director does.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing good? Are you in the bathroom

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Speaker 1: or what? No, I hang on, I can take your speaker. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a little better. Okay, what's happening? What are you doing?

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Speaker 1: Not much? I am just currently buried in acting homework.

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Speaker 1: Wait what are you doing there? I've got a c

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Speaker 1: It's a ten minute play. It's called Traces of Memory, um,

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Speaker 1: and I'm one of the characters in it. And she

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Speaker 1: Bring everyone, Bring all the kids. Yeah. I think it's

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Speaker 1: really made for kids. That's my opinion. You know. Well listen, well,

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Speaker 1: you and I have talked a bit since the I

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Speaker 1: think that's where it's It's such a healthy and now

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Speaker 1: With Sasha, I think she's just a fine dancer. She's

427
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Speaker 1: a pop star, but she's not even the best dancer

428
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Speaker 1: on the show, and she's not the most likable. Although

429
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Speaker 1: she is kind of likable, I can't put her forth

430
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Speaker 1: with you. I think she's likable, and I think she's great,

431
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:59,879
Speaker 1: but I think there are other personalities or more men

432
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,520
Speaker 1: rebel if that makes sense. Like, I think she's she's

433
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 1: lovely and I really enjoyed her rumba last week, but

434
00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 1: there are other people that, while they may not be

435
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,400
Speaker 1: as gifted as her out dancing, they're more memorable for

436
00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 1: some reason. Unless she can break through that and find

437
00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,959
Speaker 1: a way to be um you for people to connect

438
00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 1: to her more through the screen than I think that

439
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 1: we might see her go home before the final unfortunately,

440
00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,840
Speaker 1: because she's sweet and talented. But yeah, Max, I could

441
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:32,160
Speaker 1: actually agree with Kate again. I remember her every week

442
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,480
Speaker 1: and I love watching her and she challenged and I

443
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:36,679
Speaker 1: think her partner's doing a great job. I think Pasha

444
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,199
Speaker 1: is doing a really good job this season, and I

445
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 1: think we might have the same top four. Well, there

446
00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,080
Speaker 1: she has star Sharna Burgess Sharna Burgess dot com. But

447
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:45,679
Speaker 1: I want to put in and say, get a message

448
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,159
Speaker 1: from Sharna on cameo and she'll probably her dogs and

449
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,920
Speaker 1: some of the videos she's probably in like yoga clothes

450
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: where she's exposing her middriff. It's all the time, she's

451
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: just rocking it. Well, listen, I will. I'm gonna be

452
00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,719
Speaker 1: back out there a lot obviously once we're we're shooting

453
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,320
Speaker 1: all of our stuff all over the country right now.

454
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Speaker 1: But when it's l a time me and you time again,

455
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: absolutely all right, I need with you. Good talk to

456
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: you Francis soon, alright. So something we do here on

457
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 1: this podcast is sometimes we'll get kind of behind the

458
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 1: scenes of well music for sure with songwriters, but even

459
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Speaker 1: with radio. And Brent Michael's here, who is the program

460
00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,960
Speaker 1: director of a couple of stations in Bakersfield. Yes, so

461
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,280
Speaker 1: your stations are what we've got the bull N three

462
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Speaker 1: that's show you're on, and then also KU's Easy, which

463
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 1: has been a fifty year plus station in Bakersfield. And

464
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Speaker 1: how long have you been a radio program director? Only

465
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Speaker 1: about three and a half years. Yeah, I thought you've

466
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Speaker 1: been doing it for a lot let me, which you're

467
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:51,359
Speaker 1: a compliment by the way, thank you, And how you

468
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Speaker 1: run those stations over there, I thought you've been doing

469
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Speaker 1: it for a long time. I've been in radio for

470
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,399
Speaker 1: about twenty years, and uh just kind of worked my

471
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Speaker 1: way up at the station started and part time on

472
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 1: the weekends and work my way all the way up.

473
00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:05,680
Speaker 1: I started doing promotions until there was a full time

474
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Speaker 1: on airshift and became music director and now program director

475
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: of two stations. Wild that's pretty cool. I didn't know

476
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Speaker 1: that that elevation happened in the last few years. So

477
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Speaker 1: I guess when you became program director. Is that when

478
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Speaker 1: we when we went on to Bakersfield. Yeah, right after

479
00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 1: I became program director. Kaye's Easy had been there for

480
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: fifty years, but we decided to because countries now so diverse,

481
00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,439
Speaker 1: to start a station that really focused on the newer

482
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 1: brand of country, be more aggressive introducing new artists, and

483
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,679
Speaker 1: you and your brand are so synonymous with that that

484
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:42,720
Speaker 1: we thought it was a great fit. So I think

485
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 1: a lot of our listeners wonder, and you know what,

486
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: even I do too. Won the world of program director

487
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 1: does because for me, I was I'm gonna get on

488
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Speaker 1: the radio and I'm gonna be entertaining, And I don't

489
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Speaker 1: want to do the hard stuff, which is what you do.

490
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Speaker 1: I don't want to have to make decisions on how man.

491
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Speaker 1: I don't want to do to management stuff, which is

492
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: what you do. Like you're mostly behind the scenes. You're

493
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,040
Speaker 1: on the air too, I am, yes, um, but you're

494
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: mostly behind the scenes. So as a program director of

495
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: two radio stations, you wake up at the morning and

496
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Speaker 1: what time? So I get up every morning a little

497
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Speaker 1: before five, because I like, why in the world would

498
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Speaker 1: you wake up that earlier if you don't have to

499
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Speaker 1: do a morning show. Well, I like to get to

500
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Speaker 1: the gym so that way I can help my wife

501
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:26,479
Speaker 1: get kids and everything ready for school. And then I'm

502
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: I'm at the office little after seven in the morning.

503
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Speaker 1: And then what do you do right when you get

504
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Speaker 1: to the office as a radio station program director of

505
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Speaker 1: two stations, like, what's the first thing you check on?

506
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Speaker 1: So the first thing I do is I kind of

507
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: take a look at our music logs for the day.

508
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Speaker 1: So for people that don't realize radio stations of all

509
00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:44,600
Speaker 1: their music planned out, and the program director just kind

510
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: of is ultimately in charge of everything. That kind of

511
00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: comes out of the speakers. So we make the music

512
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Speaker 1: decisions and uh, from there, we just kind of make

513
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: sure the music gets played the bigger songs, songs people

514
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,199
Speaker 1: tell us they want to hear more often, you know,

515
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,000
Speaker 1: songs that are just getting star did you know, kind

516
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,880
Speaker 1: of putting that out there in certain times and places.

517
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Speaker 1: And so the first thing I do when I get

518
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Speaker 1: there is kind of go through the music for the

519
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Speaker 1: day and make sure we're all set. Now you bring

520
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,479
Speaker 1: up an interesting thing that you get there and you

521
00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: look at the songs. So I guess, is there a

522
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Speaker 1: day of the week where you kind of decide what

523
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Speaker 1: that week's playlist ish is going to look like? Yeah,

524
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Speaker 1: for us, it's on Thursdays. And so our station also

525
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: has what's called a music director, So he also takes

526
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Speaker 1: a listen to all the different songs that are out there.

527
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Speaker 1: And you know, I just feel one person has so

528
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Speaker 1: much bias. You know, I don't know that one person

529
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: should be making the music decisions in my opinion for

530
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: a station, because everybody likes different things and everybody has

531
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Speaker 1: different wants, and so together we sit down every Thursday

532
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Speaker 1: and we take a look at all the different songs

533
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Speaker 1: that we can choose from for that week, and we decide, okay,

534
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Speaker 1: basic based on the number of songs that we're playing

535
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: that our current songs at any given time, you know, okay,

536
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: we've out one spot to put in a new song

537
00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,719
Speaker 1: this week or two songs, and so we'll go through that,

538
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: and we'll go through the research that people are are

539
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: telling us. We have a mechanism for people to go

540
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: online and tell us what songs they like and what

541
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Speaker 1: they're getting tired of. We go through all that information.

542
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 1: We look at what's streaming, what's being consumed in the market,

543
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: you know, so what people are watching on YouTube, what

544
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: people are buying, and that's how we make those choices.

545
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: So on a Thursday, and we're kind of rewinding now,

546
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Speaker 1: on a Thursday, you go in and decide what the

547
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Speaker 1: playlist is gonna look like. Now, if I'm right, Because

548
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Speaker 1: for a brief amount of time, I was a music

549
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: director and hated it because I just was not for me.

550
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Speaker 1: I just said, I didn't want to get on a

551
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Speaker 1: computer and schedule things. I didn't want to talk to

552
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Speaker 1: record labels. I just wanted to be funny. So on

553
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Speaker 1: a Thursday, you meet and go these are the songs

554
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Speaker 1: that are going to be put in for next week,

555
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Speaker 1: and then is there still kind of like a formula

556
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,359
Speaker 1: in a program where you go, our most important songs

557
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 1: are these six seven How many powers would you have

558
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: for us? We have seven on kuse easy and six

559
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:58,280
Speaker 1: on the bowl. So those six biggest songs are programmed

560
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: to play every x amount of time, so boom there

561
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: in those spots. So you're not going in scheduling every

562
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: song every day. It's kind of a program based on

563
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 1: the songs you pick each week. Yes, we have a

564
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,399
Speaker 1: computer program, and most radio stations do they have a

565
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: computer program. You sort of tell it, Okay, these are

566
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Speaker 1: the most popular songs. These are the songs that are

567
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Speaker 1: after that. These are older songs that are still really popular.

568
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: And you come up what they call a clock, which

569
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: is sort of all the different songs and where they go.

570
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,400
Speaker 1: So two or three songs that maybe people aren't as

571
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: familiar with yet, don't play all in a row. Spread

572
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: them out. It's a good spread them out. So you'll

573
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Speaker 1: do the big, big medium one people don't know, then

574
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 1: a big one again. They don't hear two songs in

575
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Speaker 1: a row, They're like, what the what was that? Right? Okay,

576
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 1: so you go in in the morning. Now we're gonna

577
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: go back to your day of Yes, you've already got

578
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: your songs picked for the week. So now you're you're

579
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,360
Speaker 1: you're looking at the log to make sure the computer

580
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: didn't botch it right and didn't programs with an accidentally

581
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: into in a wrong spot right. How long does that take?

582
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Speaker 1: About fifteen to twenty minutes. I'll just kind of really

583
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: scan through some of that's done the day before, but

584
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: just make sure you know we're not having any technical

585
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 1: problems or anything like that. Want to check in and

586
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 1: then uh, from there, it's onto the email box. So

587
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: when you're in there, are you monitoring your shows because

588
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: you have you know, you have a legendary show at

589
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: kuse E z Um. I love those guys by the way,

590
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: they're They're always so nice to me when I see them. Um,

591
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,760
Speaker 1: at least one of them is. And then uh uh

592
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: then there's us obviously. Are you like monitoring those back

593
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: and forth to make sure their own issues? I do.

594
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: As I drive into work, I flip back and forth

595
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: between both radio shows and even I usually listen to

596
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: some other shows that are in the market in the city.

597
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: Just just to hear what they're doing too. So you're in,

598
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: you've made you the logs cool, you've listened to the shows,

599
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: you make sure there's no fires. Then what's in the

600
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: what's in a program director's email box? So you have

601
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: lots of different things. Um, you know, there are three

602
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: main parts to a radio station. I always tell people.

603
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: There's programming and that's kind of everything you sort of

604
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: hear coming out musically in the DJs and that kind

605
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: of thing, and even the big voice guy that's like

606
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: use right. Yeah. And then there's promotions and promotions kind

607
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: of everything you see. So that's you know, the website,

608
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 1: social media contests or social medias. Now, yeah, I've been

609
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: so out of that game that I didn't realize that

610
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 1: was part of promotions. Oh cool, you know for us

611
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: it is. And with that said, all the different personalities

612
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: they are on both stations, Uh, they all have social

613
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: kind of commitments and requirements that we have them do

614
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: just you know, just so people can kind of see

615
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 1: what goes on behind the scenes or what goes on

616
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: in their life and and all that stuff. But um,

617
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 1: so there's promotions and then their sales. The sales is

618
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: kind of how radio stations make their money. It's the commercials.

619
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Speaker 1: It's the most vital and most annoying part of my job.

620
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 1: And in that order, by the way, most vital part

621
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: of the job. I have really learned to embrace sales

622
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: and at the same time to go, okay, these are

623
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: our boundaries and this is where I can do the

624
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: best for you. And it's a balance for me. It's

625
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: a big balance, like what can I do? How much

626
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: can I do without really jeopard I see the show

627
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: because smartly, a lot of clients like I want everything,

628
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: all that much you can give me, and I gotta go, oh, well,

629
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: I can't give you everything, but why don't we do

630
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: this kind of promotion? Um, So it's a balancing act

631
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: for me. I can't. I don't know what it would

632
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: be like for a program directorcause you have to manage

633
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: all the sales through all the day. Right. It's a

634
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: lot of the same thing. You know. We want to

635
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 1: do things that our customers are our clients, that people

636
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: advertising with the radio station feel they can partner with

637
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: us on. But at the same time, you don't want

638
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: to do things that will alienate the audience or that

639
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: will make the audience tune out. So it is a

640
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Speaker 1: balance of trying to find things that you know sound

641
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: good for the person advertising, but also don't drive people

642
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:45,440
Speaker 1: away from listening that just don't want to hear boring commercials.

643
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: You know, we had an issue today. Did you hear

644
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: about the one today Mike at the commercial drawing on

645
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 1: the podcast? Oh yeah, I heard about that, and can

646
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: you hear Mike years Okay, so you know I'm very

647
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 1: much too. It just can't be off brand with our show.

648
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Like if it's not something that we would we don't

649
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: have to use it. I have to either use it

650
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: for me to talk about it personally, I have to

651
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 1: use it as someone close to me has to use it,

652
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: or I won't put my voice on it. But that

653
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 1: doesn't mean the show can't run things. But there was

654
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: an e cigarette thing on our podcast, and we can

655
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: do target analytic polytics now apparently where but on the

656
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 1: digital part, if they know you're I'll just say a

657
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: seventy year old dude from the Midwest, they can target

658
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: you with specific ads, much like Instagram does it. And

659
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: so one of the ads that was running was an

660
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: e cigarette ad and I had to reach out and

661
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 1: go this isn't our brand, Like nobody on this show smokes.

662
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: I don't feel like that's for me. That's a good

663
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,520
Speaker 1: look for the show. And that was a tough decision

664
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: because whomever that company has is paying money for that,

665
00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: and I never want to say no to money because

666
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: our job, we're brought in so that the bottom line

667
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 1: looked good for the people that are paying us. And

668
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: in my career I've only had to like reach out

669
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: about two or three times and never go I don't

670
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: I know, almost like a porn shot up. At one point,

671
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 1: it was like, mm, I don't know how I feel

672
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: about x x x ding dong, you know, being on

673
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: the show, um, and I don't know what they're gonna

674
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: do and listen you want to have it. I don't

675
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 1: even know what. I don't know what it was. I

676
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 1: was just getting a lot of complaints about it. Did

677
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: you hear the commercial? I never heard it. I just

678
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: saw people talking about it. Who like people on text

679
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: line calling or so I saw an email about it.

680
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 1: Oh good? Were they like Bobby's right or were they

681
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 1: like stupid Bobby's complaining again? They weren't like that? No?

682
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: What were they? Well? I mean I saw initially like

683
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: when they were saying what was running is what I saw?

684
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: I didn'tee anybody, but based on what you said, Mike's

685
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: and um, can you see Mike d And he looks

686
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: like a bumblebee today. He's in a yellow ship with

687
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: black stripes. And he walked up and I was like,

688
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: and he's like, what's what are you doing? Like like

689
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: a bumblebee? Dude, he's rocking it though he looks good.

690
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: And he's like, can't wear stripes at all because he

691
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: wore a black and white striped shirt and he was like.

692
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: People were like, uh, like the hamburglar, anything with stripes

693
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: because people like compare me to something else, cartoon characters

694
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: of thing, I'm a bumblebee, you look like a bumblebee?

695
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: A good like a mumble bee? Um? So, okay, you

696
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: get your emails, you're dealing with sales, you're dealing programming.

697
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: What is that a day you wake up? How many

698
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: work when you go in? What are you looking at?

699
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: Probably over the course of a whole day, I probably

700
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 1: get a hundred to a hundred and fifty emails. Really

701
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: do you ever check out and go? These are my

702
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: hours where I'm not going to check my email. I

703
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: really should, but I don't because the thing is even

704
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: with me, I try, I go, you know what, I

705
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: want to check out for a bit. But the problem

706
00:33:30,160 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: is if you check out for a bit, and we

707
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: should by the way, we should, we should, we should

708
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: set but then we come back to it and there's

709
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 1: like seven hundred you can never catch up well, And

710
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: I think part of it is and you're obviously in

711
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: a big part of the industry. Our our industry is

712
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 1: seven industry. A radio station doesn't shut off. It's always

713
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: going on, it's always happening, and so you always kind

714
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: of have to stay on top of things. Do you

715
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: ever get with your your personalities and sit down and go, okay,

716
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: let's listen to your show and play it back and go,

717
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: this is what you can do better, this is what's good?

718
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: Do you do though? Still, yeah, we do. They're called

719
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: air checks, and so what that is is you sit down,

720
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: as you said, with a personality, and you listen to

721
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: certain segments of the show and talk about different ways

722
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: you can improve or what was great, or you know,

723
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: maybe what missed the mark a little bit, what we

724
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: can do better next time. But you know, I remember,

725
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 1: as I was kind of getting started in radio. There

726
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 1: were program directors with me would would give good advice

727
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: about you know, what's what's going on. In fact, my

728
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: first program director now works on our staff and so

729
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: it's crazy. He's the person that gave me my first

730
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: shot and and now he's on our air staff as

731
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: I am, Oh, how the turn tables have turned? And

732
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: I'll be honest, I thought that was gonna be awkward

733
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: at first, but um, he's he's great. Yeah, yeah, what's

734
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: his name? His name is Ken, Ken McCloud. We've we've

735
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: been friends for a long time, So shout out Ken.

736
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: So you you you play it recording back, which used

737
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,879
Speaker 1: to be on cassette tapes now it's just all digital, yep,

738
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,439
Speaker 1: and you can be like, all right, this is great,

739
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:57,839
Speaker 1: this is great. Maybe I do this a little better.

740
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: Does anyone do that to you since you're on the air,

741
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: You know, no, But I wish I had that as

742
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: a resource. I do. I I've never had a problem

743
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 1: with trying to get better. I believe that in everything

744
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: I did. Check the crap out of you. Well, you

745
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: didn't pronounce this vell. I'm the worst speaker in the

746
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: like me on radio As a broadcaster. Not very good

747
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: me on the radio as a human good, right, But

748
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 1: I would be the worst person to go, you know,

749
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: as a you could do better by saying I say

750
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 1: nothing right, no words are right? No, I don't you

751
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: do that pull up? Who's mine? Not mine? But you

752
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 1: have great ideas, Uh, it depends what you describe great.

753
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Have ideas that give me in trouble sometimes, okay, so

754
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: you work with the personalities. What's kind of the second

755
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: half of the day about as a radio station program director?

756
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because I've had this conversation with

757
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:53,600
Speaker 1: a couple of people lately. You know, the music and

758
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: the radio and the on air shift. I think it's

759
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: about a third of what a program director does. And

760
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: then the other two thirds is is the other managerial

761
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 1: stuff that we've sort of talked about. Um So, working

762
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: with the sales department to help people's you know, commercials

763
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: and promotions get on and green lighting some things, sending

764
00:36:09,360 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: some of the things back to work on a little more,

765
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: working with our promotions department to make sure we have

766
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: the right contests and we're marketing the station in the

767
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: right way. Uh. Just dealing with you know, even internal

768
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: office politics. You know, and when when people work together

769
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: a lot in close confines, sometimes you know, disagreements come up,

770
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: and listening and hearing what people have to say and

771
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,760
Speaker 1: trying to get people on the same page and really

772
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: just just trying to do everything to market the radio

773
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: station and and just make the radio station the best

774
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: it can be. Him Ike, how much more time do

775
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,880
Speaker 1: I have a brand before we In this part of

776
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: the interview, you got like another five cool I got

777
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: because I got some questions. I'm trying to decide when

778
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:49,640
Speaker 1: I want to what I want to get into it

779
00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: with them with and not in a bad way. But okay,

780
00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:54,399
Speaker 1: let's do this. Let's do the power rankings right now

781
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: of contemporary country artists. Okay, um, I was reading website

782
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: and they did like college foot ball, Uh it's Country Now,

783
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: which is a new um country music blog, and they've

784
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: ranked like the top twenty five country artists, which I

785
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,239
Speaker 1: thought was pretty bold them to do to rank them,

786
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: and so much like college football with Clemsons one Alabama's too.

787
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: Whenever we're doing this podcast, who knows what it will

788
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: be by the time people hear this, Um, where who

789
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: would you rank as number one? Right now? And let's

790
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: do this at the same time. We'll both say it.

791
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: But let's just say who we're going to say at

792
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: the same time, so we're not affecting each other's judgment. Okay,

793
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: So I'll go one, two, three, and then we'll say it. Okay,

794
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: number one, one, two, three, Okay, solid the two look

795
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: because you go Luke Brian go ahead, and and I

796
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 1: would say Luke Combs number two, and I would say

797
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 1: Luke Brian number one, I mean number two. Yeah, they're

798
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: both right there. Luke Combs a new number one. He

799
00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 1: just he doesn't miss He hasn't missed yet any like

800
00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: a rocket. And I haven't seen some in my time here.

801
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: I haven't seen someone blow up this fast period. He's

802
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: the biggest. You're right, Luke Brian is the universe only

803
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: big thank you. I've had a lot of something happen

804
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 1: right there. Um, okay, good. So we're gonna go one

805
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: and two and i'd go two and one. Good. Okay,

806
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: think about it. Now, what would you have whatever for him?

807
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 1: I'll just let you do number three, number three. Who

808
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 1: would you have right now? I'll say Jason Aldan solid

809
00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:24,760
Speaker 1: four four. I will say Blake Shelton, m and Blake's

810
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: in California a lot. Yeah, we don't see Blake often

811
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: here number five and five. Right now, I'll say Carrie Underwood.

812
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 1: People love Carrie Underwood. Carry over and right now, carry over, Mirren,

813
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 1: I think so right now. No disrespect to Baron Man

814
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,879
Speaker 1: is great. I like that we're ranking him no, because

815
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: there's no disrespect to anyone. People gotta fall no slots,

816
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: all right, Look at you, I like I like that

817
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: you're making decisions. Um might anything you want to ask him? Can?

818
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: I'll tell you Brent. Brent came out to watch me

819
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: on Dancing with the Stars set in the crowd. Were

820
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: you out there? We hung out? I sat next to Mike. Oh,

821
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: you guys did. Yeah, that's fun. That's that's thank you

822
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: for having us. By the way, because you're in California,

823
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 1: which is my point, you are two hours behind. What

824
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: is it light running our show when it's not exactly live.

825
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 1: They're hearing it when we do it at seven, you're

826
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: hearing it in your station at seven, but it's two

827
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 1: hours back. Yes, is that ever an issue? You know?

828
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: To some degree? I think it works in our favor.

829
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 1: We we try or I do because I get up

830
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: so early as I get up, and once I get

831
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: to the gym, before we start the workout, I'll scroll

832
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: through social media. It's already see what you guys are

833
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: doing on the show, so we can kind of pre promote.

834
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: You know, hey, they're doing the draft on this today,

835
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 1: those kind of things, or so and so is making

836
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: an appearance on the show today. So it works to

837
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: our advantage. Um the one part, I think maybe it's

838
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: a disadvantage, and you know, maybe sometimes it happens later

839
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: in the morning, I don't hear it. It's harder for

840
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 1: maybe a California listener to call in and get on

841
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: the show. But I think with the text thing and

842
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: other social media avenues, there's ways they can interact with

843
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: the show. But that's probably anything the only drawback that's

844
00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: a good one. It's a good point to make. And

845
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: that's why we don't do national contests where you can

846
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,760
Speaker 1: call in, because your people don't have a chance, and

847
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: and Mountain people don't have a chance, like a fair

848
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: chance because I'm hearing in an hour or two hours later, right, so,

849
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: and then another but I think I benefit two of

850
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Speaker 1: you guys being behind is when I come in and

851
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Speaker 1: do liners. Every morning and cut like before the show

852
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: even starts. You've got all my stuff, you know, it's

853
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,760
Speaker 1: like you gotta before anybody does, like you know, according

854
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: to time. Any Um, we'll end on this. There is,

855
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Speaker 1: as you know, and as you are one of the

856
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: guys that's really working to combat the issue with females

857
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: on the radio and country music. Where do you see

858
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: it now and where it's going? Such an open ended question.

859
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,520
Speaker 1: I don't want to paint you in a corner. I

860
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Speaker 1: go ahead, No. I think two things. One. I think

861
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: the comment that to me gets made a lot about

862
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,319
Speaker 1: this issue is women don't want to hear women, and

863
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: I think that's false. I think women do want to

864
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: hear women. I think in certain occasions we have factor

865
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: will data that shows they want to hear certain songs

866
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: by male artists more at a certain time. But I

867
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 1: think it's also the responsibility of people that put music

868
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:12,320
Speaker 1: on radio stations for for people to hear and discover.

869
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: I think it's important for radio to still be a

870
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: place where you can find an artist for the first time.

871
00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:19,720
Speaker 1: And there's more ways to listen to music now than ever,

872
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: between streaming services and watching videos on YouTube and the

873
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: radio that you know, if we want to keep up

874
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: with with everything else that's out there, we have to

875
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: be able to break artists, and we have to be

876
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: able to expose artists. And so I do feel that

877
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,839
Speaker 1: as a radio programmer, you have a responsibility to get

878
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: artists that you believe in out to your audience. And

879
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: sometimes it's gonna work. And maybe sometimes you'll love a

880
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: song and and your audience doesn't get to it or

881
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,520
Speaker 1: love it as much as you do. But I think

882
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: it's important that we do it. And so I can't

883
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,479
Speaker 1: speak for every radio program director, but but we make

884
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: an effort to try to get female artists on the radio,

885
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 1: and just even lately, I mean, I think Ingrid Andrew's

886
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: is great. I think Ashley McBride is great. Um, you

887
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: know on the Bowl we've we've kind of highlighted all

888
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: of the women that you've put onto your class of

889
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,600
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. It's just, you know, we do have a

890
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Speaker 1: responsibility to get female artists exposure. And still, you know,

891
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: make sure people are hearing the songs from the artists

892
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: you know that are male, that are doing really well too.

893
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: I think there's a way to do it all. He

894
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 1: has a great voice, how am Mike. He's here talking,

895
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 1: and I know he's talking about stuff that is cool

896
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: and relevant. I like it and I'm agreeing with it,

897
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: but I just started drifting away, going into God, I

898
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 1: wish I had a voice like that. I've never heard

899
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: the mic like pick up, so it's like, like, that's

900
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 1: what a broadcaster ship sound like. Not me, like a

901
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: pre pubescent fourteen year old. He's got like three pubicated See,

902
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: sometimes I feel I sound to announcery. So I think

903
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: there's there's there's gotta be a middle ground. Well, it

904
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: ain't us. It ain't. Brent Michael's your name on Twitter

905
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: and Instagram is what Let's see. On Twitter it's at

906
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Brent Michael's and then on Instagram it's at Brent Michael's

907
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: radio because somebody has Brent Michael so they don't even

908
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:17,439
Speaker 1: use it. But that's like at Bobby Bones on both

909
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: of them. The same guy. Hey, there's there, he is. Okay, listen,

910
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: thanks for the talk. I appreciate you coming by and

911
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:25,879
Speaker 1: thanks for having me giving us a little feedback behind

912
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: the scenes. What happens are my listeners, especially on this podcast,

913
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: like to know, you know, what's like a song meeting

914
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:33,080
Speaker 1: like what's that You guys get in a room and

915
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: go what do we like? What's the research say? And

916
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: you look at other things, not just research that listeners do,

917
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 1: but also what they're doing, not just what they're saying,

918
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: what they're doing. And I like that. I think it's

919
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: cool that because people go ahead, want did this song

920
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: get played? This song from Blake Should's boot song? Warn't

921
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 1: you playing that well because it's not a single. It's

922
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 1: because the record label is not promoting it. They don't

923
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: want to played. Then they black Wood like all the

924
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 1: songs played, but the record label focuses on one song

925
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: because they know they have a shot to get everybody

926
00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: to pay attention to one song better than they do

927
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: everybody to pay that to eleven songs. And I think

928
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: it makes for a concert experience. Now you can go

929
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 1: and you know a specific song versus you know, everybody

930
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: knows a couple, but they don't know them all. And

931
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Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason they do it too.

932
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 1: There is a lesson in radio. I don't have the

933
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Speaker 1: patients to do any of that. I wouldn't sit and

934
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: do sales and I don't have the like you know what,

935
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 1: screw it we're playing classic rock today. Know all those

936
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Speaker 1: Freebird all day brand Michael's good to see you by, Hey,

937
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: thanks for having me. I appreciate it.