1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: Hey guys, we're back. Normally the show was normally it 2 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 1: takes for when the news gets weird. 3 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: I'm there to sell him him and I'm Carol Markowitz 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: plus going over there, Mary Catherine. 5 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: It's all right. 6 00:00:15,480 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 3: I don't know. 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,720 Speaker 1: I don't think I mentioned this, but my kids did 8 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:18,799 Speaker 1: me so dirty this week. 9 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: Oh what they do? 10 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: They posed really nicely for our picture and now I 11 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: have to do a Christmas card. 12 00:00:23,120 --> 00:00:26,640 Speaker 2: Oh yay. Great. Because I'm still suffering with what I'm 13 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 2: writing on. 14 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: Mine, I decided not to write anything. I was like, yeah, Sela. 15 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 2: Vi, I don't know. I did that last year and 16 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 2: a lot of people were like, oh, I missed the 17 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 2: little story about your kids, and I don't know. 18 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, writing is hard. 19 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: Writing is very hard. And we were just saying that 20 00:00:44,520 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: right before the show began, talking far easier than writing. 21 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 2: Writing is difficult, and it's yeah hard. So we're not 22 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: going to get totally into this because this isn't one 23 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:57,480 Speaker 2: of our topics. But a lot of people are asking 24 00:00:57,720 --> 00:01:01,880 Speaker 2: what we think about the Myami mayoral race going to 25 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,720 Speaker 2: a Democrat, and we had talked about it on the 26 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: show before, and I think we should just get into 27 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 2: it a little bit, so I would just say what 28 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: I've said previously on the show is the Miami mayor 29 00:01:14,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: is not like the New York mayor. It's not like 30 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 2: this huge, you know, big deal mayor. It's a few neighborhoods. 31 00:01:21,520 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: It's Miami City. Nevertheless, it's not great that a seat 32 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: that had been Republican for a very long time, and 33 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 2: again fairly liberal republican, but still Republican, has now gone 34 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,480 Speaker 2: to a Democrat. Two things about this One, it's an 35 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: off year election. Democrats are more motivated. We talk about 36 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 2: that on here all the time. Two, they don't actually 37 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,399 Speaker 2: run under a party, so it's not even like you 38 00:01:45,440 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: could say, oh, there was a party line thing, although 39 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: you know, maybe Democrats came out and voted for her anyway, 40 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: But Eileen Higgins is the new going to be the 41 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 2: new mayor of the City of Miami. Now, again, this 42 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 2: is only a few neighborhoods. It does not include. For example, 43 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: people think of Miami, they think of South Beach they 44 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: have a Republican mayor. Surfside they have a Republican mayor. 45 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: It's just you know, Sunny Isles they have a Republican mayor. 46 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:11,560 Speaker 2: Bay Harbor they have a Republican mayor. These are all 47 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 2: the different areas of Miami under the Miami Dade umbrella. 48 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 2: So this is just one part of it. 49 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: There are many Miamis. 50 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,639 Speaker 2: There are many many Miamis who knew. 51 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,799 Speaker 1: I do think this is like, you know, it doesn't 52 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: portend great things. Right. There was also another special election 53 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: for this is a state based House representative in Georgia, 54 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: not a US House representative, but he the Republican lost 55 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: a seat there that in twenty twenty four he had 56 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:45,000 Speaker 1: won by some twenty plus points. Yeah, and it was 57 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: a district that was plus twelve in twenty twenty four 58 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: and he was just edged out by the Democrats. So 59 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,839 Speaker 1: that is you know, there's obvious energy here from Democrats. 60 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: There are obvious issues for Republicans that if they are 61 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 1: not on top of addressing and if they are intent 62 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: on pretending don't exist, yes, you'll get more of this. 63 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 2: Right. The message of these races has to be the 64 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: Republican Party has to get the voters more motivated. There 65 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 2: is something to be said for we just had a 66 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: presidential election last year. The Republican candidate won. Republican candidates 67 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 2: are on cruise control a little bit not candidates. Republican 68 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,680 Speaker 2: voters are on cruise control a little bit. The party 69 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 2: needs to work on that, The president needs to work 70 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 2: on that. We need to have the messaging bee. We 71 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 2: need you to come out and vote again. It's time 72 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: to come back out. Let's go. 73 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 1: Let's make it happen every two years. Guys, that's how 74 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 1: it works. So but you got I look, it is 75 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: the business of convincing people over and over and over again. 76 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 2: Over and over again. Hard we do. Yeah, all right, 77 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: let's get back into what our first topic of the 78 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: day is. It's actually a combination of two of our things. 79 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 2: Now it can be told and still mad Bro's it's 80 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 2: a topic made for us. So it turns out that 81 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 2: youth mental health health suffered because schools stayed closed and 82 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 2: improved when schools reopened. No way, who could have guessed this. 83 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 1: I can't imagine who figured this out. Yeah, I'm glad 84 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: we have this new evidence. As if we didn't know that, 85 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: like there were very real social costs to social isolation 86 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 1: before this. Like this is the thing that bothered me 87 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: about COVID is that no one did risk analysis. Instead, 88 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 1: they went all in just in uninfection. As if that 89 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:33,360 Speaker 1: were the only risk in the world. And it's as 90 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: if we knew nothing about human behavior up until that moment. Yeah, 91 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: so then they were just like, no screens for seven 92 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:41,640 Speaker 1: hours a day is fine for kids, and in your 93 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: house all day is totally fine. We don't have any 94 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 1: refuting evidence for that. It's like your brain. Your brain's 95 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:48,360 Speaker 1: the refuting evidence. 96 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 2: But also it was evidence that they themselves had produced 97 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 2: before that. That's it's really crazy. It's that the same 98 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: people who had made the evidence to say this stuff 99 00:04:57,520 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: is bad, like screens or not seeing faces for or 100 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: that kind of thing, then reverse themselves because they were 101 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 2: told to. Basically, it was like, no, now you have 102 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 2: to change what you thought before, and they they it 103 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,359 Speaker 2: was just a big lie. And when you have a 104 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 2: result that you want and you change the evidence to 105 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: get to that result, that is not science. And that's 106 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 2: what we were saying the whole time, is that none 107 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 2: of this is science based. None of this has any 108 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: basis and anything factual. You're just telling us what the teachers' 109 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 2: unions want you to say, and that doesn't fly. This 110 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 2: is also this was a study of nearly two hundred 111 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 2: thousand California school children who have private insurance. So this 112 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 2: is already not The poorest segment of the population is 113 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 2: who I think has been absolutely ignored throughout this whole process. Actually, 114 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 2: I was on America's newsroom today and I felt myself 115 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 2: getting angry talking about this time, like I am still mad, bro, 116 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:58,840 Speaker 2: and I really I like started getting like, you know, 117 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 2: the poorest kids were held back from going to school. 118 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 2: I just remember all the rich parents around me sending 119 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 2: their kids to private school or going to their beach 120 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: house and sending the open public schools there or whatever, 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 2: and the poorest kids had nobody saying anything, and the 122 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 2: teachers union stopped those schools from opening the longest, you know, 123 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 2: going back to California, the truth is that the private 124 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 2: schools opened months and months before the public schools. Gavin 125 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 2: Newsom's kids got to go to school, well before the 126 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 2: public school kids got to go to school. So it 127 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 2: just it really still pisses me off, and I don't 128 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 2: know if I'm ever going to get over that. 129 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like also, they continue to give themselves an 130 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: out right. So the headline on this New York Times 131 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: coverage of this study, which was produced by the journal Epidemiology, says, 132 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: youth mental health improved when schools reopened. Study finds with 133 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 1: the end of school shutdowns, children's mental health appointments fell sharply, 134 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 1: though other factors may have contributed. There's also inside here 135 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: a quote from one of the doctors who was involved 136 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: in this. This is definitely a piece of evidence that 137 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 1: I wish we'd have at the beginning of the pandemic 138 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: to inform the conversations we were having a lot of 139 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 1: people knew that we knew badly. We were saying it. Yeah, 140 00:07:10,760 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: we were saying it. There was evidence, as you point out, 141 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,880 Speaker 1: that the very same elite organizations had studied in the past. 142 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: There was also specific study of kids who missed school 143 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: for a long period of time due to Katrina when 144 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: they were displaced that the NPR reporter who famously wrote 145 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: the Now It Can Be Told book on school closings 146 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: that she didn't report on very much while she was 147 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: at NPR, oh education reporter, She noted that there was 148 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: a study available for this that was like, oh, yeah, 149 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: this is real bad for students. Yes, yes, And by 150 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: the way, this cop out where they're like, I wish 151 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: we'd had this information, had we known. Yeah, you could 152 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: check Georgia or Texas or Florida or Europe. 153 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 2: Or say right, Europe opens in the summer of twenty twenty. 154 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: Come on, do the CARDI b ies the you know, 155 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: you can see with your eyes the European children were 156 00:08:01,960 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: not dropping dead. And that we knew, we knew. And 157 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: the other thing, I'm it's gonna continue to be angry 158 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 2: about this, and another thing, and one more thing. We 159 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: knew since the beginning that older people were at most 160 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 2: at risk for this virus. We knew that March twenty twenty. 161 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 2: I have evidence that I was saying that in March 162 00:08:23,320 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, and I'm nobody. So we knew that the 163 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: kids were out of school. When the elderly population went 164 00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 2: back to like seeing shows and going to restaurants and 165 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 2: just you know, being right up in each other's faces, 166 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: and the kids still stayed out of school. It was 167 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: a political calculation. It was all about politics. It was 168 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 2: all about what Randy Winingarten wanted. And that's what went 169 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: wrong here. I do appreciate that the author of this 170 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: New York Times piece about the study does mention that 171 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 2: by fall of that year, many private and public schools, 172 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 2: mostly in Republican led states, reopened. So it was a 173 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 2: political thing. And guess who thinks that somebody else is 174 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 2: responsible for this, Mary Catherine, here's Randy Weingarten looking for 175 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 2: somebody to blame. 176 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 4: I do wonder what you think, like looking back to 177 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 4: that tumultuous period of time, do you think that teacher 178 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 4: unions and Democrats have done enough self examination in the 179 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 4: role they played in pandemic school closures? 180 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 1: Like were their mistakes made? 181 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? Of course there were, and there were mistakes made 182 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 3: by everyone. There was huge mistakes made by the Trump 183 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 3: administration to not be clear, to not focus on safety 184 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 3: as they were focusing on reopening it. Reopening became political, 185 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 3: not became something that we all should have prioritized. 186 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,959 Speaker 2: Reopening became political. It was you, ma'am. It was you. 187 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: It was you. She does this dance every time where 188 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: she as they all did. She's like, I wanted to open. 189 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: I just I wanted to open safely. The safely meant 190 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: give me many, many, many billions of dollars. Yeah, me 191 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:11,599 Speaker 1: first place in the vaccine line. Then I won't go 192 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: back to school. Also give me more billions. And the 193 00:10:15,679 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 1: safety that I'm going to set the bar for cannot 194 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: possibly be reached by ninety percent of schools. 195 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 2: Will never be met. 196 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, was what she did. That was what she did. 197 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: If you look at the map that she offered, under 198 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 1: the strictures that she offered when they came and wrote 199 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: policy for the Biden administration, it was unattainable. The point 200 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 1: was to say we want to open and to not 201 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 1: allow reopening. That's what she did. And by the way, 202 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: can I read some of the specifics here. The study 203 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: published on Monday, tracked medical claims for one hundred and 204 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: eighty five thousand privately ensured children from ages five to eighteen. 205 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Nine months after school's reopened. The probability that a child 206 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: would be seen by a provider for a mental health 207 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: condition was reduced by forty three percent. The authors found 208 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: spending on mental health medications decrease by seven point five percent, 209 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: and spending on other treatments like therapy decreased by ten percent. 210 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:06,680 Speaker 1: The improvements were more striking among girls, which is something 211 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: we always hear about mental health challenges. These are the 212 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,199 Speaker 1: prices we paid for, frankly, the ransom that Randy Winingarden wanted. 213 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: And God, by the way, in your taxpayer money. Because 214 00:11:19,320 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: while this was happening. It's not just mistakes were made. 215 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: People like us who were pointing out that the NPR 216 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:28,679 Speaker 1: reporter had written in June. Anya Kamenets is her name, 217 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: She had written in June about kids of essential workers 218 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: gathering at YMCA's and ways they had mitigated spread, and 219 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: that there hadn't been not a dang infection that came 220 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: from the kids of essential workers in these spaces. We 221 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: all knew if you wanted to figure it out, you 222 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: could have figured it out. And we're pointing out that 223 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: this is real and it's happening in Europe and Britain, 224 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 1: and they're calling us like human sacrifice people. 225 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,599 Speaker 2: That's what they wanted teachers to die. Yeah, that was 226 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 2: the other thing, Like, you know, Andy Winegarden doesn't have school, 227 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:04,680 Speaker 2: doesn't have kids in the public school system. We did, 228 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,720 Speaker 2: you and I did. What did we not care if 229 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 2: our kids were going to die? Of course we cared, 230 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 2: you know, I think we cared maybe a little bit 231 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 2: more than Randy Winegarden did. So the fact that we 232 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: had seen the data, seen what Europe was doing, seeing 233 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 2: what was happening in certain states, we didn't make a 234 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: ridiculous decision to want our kids to go back to school, 235 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 2: and you know, for both of us it changed a 236 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 2: lot of things going forward and the way that we 237 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,440 Speaker 2: looked at the public school systems where we lived. So 238 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 2: you know, we're not alone in that. Randy Winegarden, as 239 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 2: people like to say, is the biggest school choice advocate 240 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: in the country. 241 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: She really is. 242 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: It really does push people out of public schools and 243 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: into private schools and they end up, you know, petitioning 244 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 2: their governments to have school vouchers and all of that. 245 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 2: She's at the forefront of that, you know revolution. Congratulations 246 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: Randy Winerarten. 247 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: I would say she's done far more than I have 248 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,520 Speaker 1: for the cause, and I guess in that way I 249 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: appreciate her. But this, the gas lighting continues to this 250 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: day about what they did, which is say we want 251 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:07,560 Speaker 1: schools open, make it impossible for them to open. And 252 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,079 Speaker 1: the very credulous allies in the press were like. 253 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know they want them open, they want them open. 254 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: No another thing they did, by the way, I just 255 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: can end again one more thing. Another thing they did 256 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: was was say, well, the communities, the marginalized communities that 257 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: you're talking about, that we are allegedly disadvantaging by having 258 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: schools closed, they don't want to open. And you did 259 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: see in polling that many minority families were more worried 260 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 1: about infection than others, perhaps because they had generational households, 261 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: all sorts of things. But what you also found is 262 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: once schools opened in an area and you saw that 263 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: no one was dropping dead, everyone wanted to go back. Yea. 264 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:46,280 Speaker 2: So it was right. 265 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: It was a spiral created and sustained by school boards 266 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: and teachers unions. 267 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, they're not going to get away with this, 268 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 2: not on normally, not on this show. No, we're going 269 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 2: to keep talking about it. We'll be right back with 270 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 2: more on normally. 271 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: All right, we are back with the media's newest line 272 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: of attack on Donald Trump, which woo it's a doozy. Yeah, 273 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: he's old, Carola. They're gonna do the investigation on an 274 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: old president. 275 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: Now have we had an old president before? I can't remember. 276 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: It's never happened, right, it never happened. 277 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: So The Atlantic has a piece called the Enfeebling of 278 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: the President. Trump is showing signs that he's lost the 279 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 2: physical stamina to do the job. And our friend Tom 280 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 2: Bevan at RCP tweeted this and said unbelievable balls by 281 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,400 Speaker 2: media orgs to push this stuff after four years of 282 00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 2: gaslight in the public over Joe Biden. There's another piece 283 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: in the New York Times by Frank Bruney, is sleepy 284 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 2: Donald to the new sleepy Joe? Was there an old 285 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 2: sleepy Joe? I missed the story on that. 286 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yo, did you guys do that? Don't worry 287 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 1: does Frank have an op ed on that? Because I 288 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: don't think he does. He yes, Frank says at a 289 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: cabinet meeting last Tuesday, President Trump didn't merely close his 290 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: eyes and achieve a dreary stillness universally recognized as a 291 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: vertical net. He did so during a gathering convened at 292 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: least in part so he could bathe in his acolytes flattery. 293 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,760 Speaker 1: They batted their eyes at him. He might want to 294 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 1: think twice about letting the television cameras in next time. 295 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 1: And he says it's giving us presidential deja vu. He's 296 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:32,640 Speaker 1: starting to give President Joe Biden vibes. I of all 297 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: the criticisms you can make of don I know, Yeah, 298 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: there are many, Yeah, the one about his energy level, 299 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: than that's not it. 300 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: He actually has more vigor than I do often, and 301 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 2: like this guy, he really doesn't sleep and I really 302 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: like sleep. So he and I just can't align on this. 303 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 2: They keep talking about the MRI that he had in October. 304 00:15:56,880 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 2: The Atlantic piece goes over it again that we don't 305 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 2: know what he had the MRI on, and I don't know. 306 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 2: He seems more than fine, Like, get him on something else, 307 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 2: get him on being abrasive, get him on you know, 308 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: being rude, any of any of those things fine, but 309 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: fun lack of energy is just something I don't see 310 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 2: them pinning on him, especially again after ignoring the last 311 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: guy completely and telling us that we were crazy for 312 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 2: thinking that that guy wasn't qualified or wasn't up to 313 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 2: the run. 314 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: No, it's a it's a classic media ploy, right, which 315 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: is like, oh no, we're on the case, just only 316 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: for the people who we dislike. That's it, that's the rule. 317 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: And this is why, you know, many conservatives get understandably 318 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: extremely frustrated with this double standard, because the media will 319 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 1: suddenly pretend that this very big issue, the fitness of 320 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: the president, the mental fitness of the president, is a 321 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: very big and important issue that they cannot ignore. It 322 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: would be irresponsible, and it's like, where were why are you? 323 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: Where were you? We know exactly where you were. You 324 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: were hiding, Yeah, for four years, and you lied to everybody. 325 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: And this trust deficit has a lot of downstream, really 326 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: bad effects, not just with the media trust deficite, but 327 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: every major institution that insisted on lying to us about 328 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: many things in twenty twenty. 329 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: Yep, and those lies are still reverberating now because nobody 330 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 2: believes anything anymore. Nobody believes anyone anymore. The conspiracy nutty 331 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: culture that we're in right now is a direct result 332 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: of that. I think back to all the lies we 333 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: were told, and this is why nobody believes anything anymore. 334 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 2: But okay, the Atlantic piece, you know, the writer is like, 335 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 2: the meeting was really boring. I'm also not interested in 336 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 2: sitting through several hours worth of secretaries delivering absequious praise. 337 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 2: But they're doing it for his benefit. If he wants 338 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 2: more efficient meetings, he has the power to make it so. 339 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 2: During one and the thing is, it's written so like 340 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 2: how much he hates these people. During one moment, Secretary 341 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 2: of State Marco Rubio prattled on about how only Trump 342 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,640 Speaker 2: could achieve a ceasefire in Gaza, which by the way, 343 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,520 Speaker 2: is true. Trump himself slumped slowly forward with his eyes closed, 344 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 2: and sat up before his eyelids fluttered again. The President 345 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: did rouse himself at the end of the meeting, finding 346 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: the energy for a racist rant about Somali's I'm sorry, 347 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:27,359 Speaker 2: like it's just, you know, the idea that everything that 348 00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:30,480 Speaker 2: these people do is bad and you need to constantly be, 349 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 2: you know, pummeling them for Rubio prattled on Marco. Rubio 350 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 2: prattled on, I've noun prattle. 351 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: Ever, I actually watched that meeting and he definitely didn't prattle. 352 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: It is again, even if you hate Donald Trump, yeah, 353 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: and they do, having media availabilities and open cabinet meetings 354 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: on a regular basis is greater than not doing those things. 355 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,720 Speaker 1: Even if you don't like the way that people talk 356 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: in the meeting, guess what you're in the room, you 357 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: get to report on it. These are things that Biden 358 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: did not offer, period. 359 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 2: And they didn't care. They didn't care that Biden never 360 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: talked to them. Ever, he was never allowing media to 361 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 2: be anywhere near him because then they would know the truth, 362 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 2: which they already knew because we could all see it. 363 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 3: Again. 364 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: I mean, you want to do the eyes again, we 365 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 2: could do two Cardi eyes in one and one I 366 00:19:26,400 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 2: got see with the eye. 367 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: Well, so that's my thing. My thing too, is like 368 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: you could see this in polling where like eighty five 369 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,120 Speaker 1: percent of voters six months before the press ever dealt 370 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 1: with it, were like, yeah, he's too old for a 371 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:44,320 Speaker 1: second term. Yep, everyone could see it. It was majorities 372 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: of Democrats. I want to say, sixty five to seventy 373 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: percent of Democrats said this, and the press was just like, 374 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: la la la la la. That is not true and 375 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 1: that doesn't work. And I do love to watch Nate 376 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 1: Silver periodically lose his mind at near a Tanden over this. 377 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 1: Near a Tanden was a Biden administration, highly placed official 378 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: who no doubt hit all of this, no doubt knew 379 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 1: about it. And yet she will be on X like, ooh, 380 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: that president is looking quite old? Can you tell from 381 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: a distance now near when you couldn't tell in the 382 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: room before. 383 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. I had a twenty twenty one column called there's 384 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 2: something wrong with the President. 385 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 1: We all knowed it. 386 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 2: Come on, everybody called it. Though I don't even feel 387 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: like I was unique among that. I think we were 388 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: all like, there's something really wrong with this guy? 389 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, should we call this podcast? 390 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: We all knew, We all knew all. 391 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: Along many things. We knew many things. 392 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 2: We'll be right back with more on Normally and widow defense. 393 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: We are still on it, all right. 394 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: We're back on Normally with an occasional segment which I 395 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: wish wasn't necessary, and that is widow Defense. Erica Kirk 396 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:57,120 Speaker 1: is once again taking criticism because she is in public, 397 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:04,720 Speaker 1: out and about, talking, smiling, quoting things, defending Turning Point USA, 398 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: the legacy of her husband, and people don't like that. 399 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: They don't like it. They think it portends that she 400 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: didn't really care. It's unsreely. Yeah, I hate this argument. Widows, 401 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: as I know very well having been widowed myself, function, 402 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: They raise their children, they smile, they go out, they 403 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: do things, and they should because you want them learning 404 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: to go about life again. I think that Erica Kirk 405 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: has done it in a really kind of stunningly strong way. 406 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: And I almost think this happened with me a bit too. 407 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: I almost think strength, which by the way, I think 408 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: is a gift of her faith and was with me. 409 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: Strength sort of works against you because if you're not 410 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: looking crushed all the time. For people they think that 411 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 1: that's somehow suspicious. I want to note this guy, John 412 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: Pavlovitz tweeted today, I've had paper cuts that took longer 413 00:21:57,760 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: to heal than Erica Kirk. 414 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 2: Ah what a jerk and. 415 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:06,879 Speaker 1: Hold on, wait for it. His bio is this author 416 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: of If God Is Love, Don't be a jerk? 417 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 2: Like, seriously, dude, book my friend. Hey, I have a 418 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 2: book recommendation for you. 419 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,240 Speaker 1: It is especially for someone who claims to be religious 420 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 1: as he does. It's really the bar is solo not 421 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: to publicly castigate a widow with two young children. 422 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 2: Right. It's like, if you're going to judge someone, just 423 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 2: do it in your head, Like why do you need 424 00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 2: to tell everybody this? And that's another thing. I think 425 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 2: that people just have stopped having inside thoughts, like sometimes 426 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: you can just think something and not share it with 427 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 2: your followers. It's really possible. It's been done, it is. 428 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: I spoke to some of this on America's newsroom the 429 00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:51,719 Speaker 1: other day, particularly the argument you get from some people 430 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: that Erica Kirk is a public figure, therefore everything is 431 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: in bounds. Here's what I had to say about that. 432 00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:58,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 433 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 1: I think it's really fitting that Charlie's message that he 434 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: left behind is not bare knuckle politics or even ideology, 435 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 1: but pointing people toward God and toward a practical way 436 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: of practicing their faith. I think that's what he was 437 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: very much into, particularly at the end of his life, 438 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: and Erica is stepping into those shoes to communicate that 439 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: as well. When she notes that people don't know you, 440 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: people don't know what's going on behind the scenes, I 441 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: just want to note when she takes incoming and takes 442 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,119 Speaker 1: criticism about how she's living her life because she is 443 00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:29,679 Speaker 1: out there and she is a public figure. She's a 444 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,400 Speaker 1: public figure now because her husband was murdered in cold 445 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: blood and because she believes in his legacy, and because 446 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 1: she wants to speak about it, because she smiles or 447 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: speaks well, that means she's powerful. She's a powerful woman 448 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: of faith, and she is being given power to do 449 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: this from a God who loves her. And people don't 450 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: understand that many the life she lives behind the scenes, 451 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: she's probably shielding us from a lot of her innermost feelings. 452 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: And I really, as somebody who was widowed myself with 453 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 1: two young children, I admire the strength she's showing and 454 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: the way that she's had to step into these shoes 455 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: and to do this, and I frankly, to do battle 456 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 1: against darker forces who are trying to speak about Charlie's 457 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: legacy themselves. She's the person to do it, and she's 458 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,400 Speaker 1: doing a great job. 459 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 2: She really is. That's the thing. Like I root for her, 460 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 2: I root for TPUSA. And it's like if Charlie could 461 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 2: see that some of the people that he considered friends 462 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:27,160 Speaker 2: are taking a sledgehammer to his organization and criticizing his 463 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 2: wife and throwing her under the bus like this, Like 464 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: I just I can't believe what he would say. I 465 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: just imagine him seeing this and just being devastated at 466 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: how this all turned out. 467 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: No, it's really shocking. And I think the trust deficit 468 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: that we talked about earlier, where many people have been 469 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,160 Speaker 1: betrayed by major institutions and media, and frankly, the AI 470 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: world is going to make it even harder for us 471 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,680 Speaker 1: to know what is true and what is not. Combined 472 00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: with the attention economy, has created some of the worst 473 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,639 Speaker 1: incentives and actors I have ever seen my life. I 474 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: have known many widows, many of them are treated very badly. 475 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 1: They people get in legal fights, they get in fights 476 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 1: over property and legacy and all sorts of things. They're 477 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,160 Speaker 1: shunned from their former families. Like all sorts of bad 478 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: stuff happens, because grief is really hard for people. But 479 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: I've never seen what the Candace Owens and at all 480 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: are pulling with Erica Kurkin. And it's really really wrong. 481 00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: And we have to use our discernment to decide when 482 00:25:27,560 --> 00:25:30,440 Speaker 1: asking questions isn't just asking questions. 483 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 2: Right, asking really stupid questions is not actually the way 484 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 2: to get to the bottom of anything. Yeah, you know 485 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: my own shirts and Egyptian planes and I don't know 486 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: French and Masade agents and just it's stupid. It is stupidity. 487 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: And if you're falling for it, I urge you to 488 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 2: get help, talk to somebody, Go to people you care 489 00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: about and say, I've been following Candace Owens, and she says, 490 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,920 Speaker 2: and see what they say about it. If they really 491 00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 2: care about you, they're going to try to talk you 492 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:00,439 Speaker 2: down from it. 493 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,360 Speaker 1: Well, and as Erica notes, and I think she's right. 494 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: She says, she follows Charlie's rule on this by not 495 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: always answering each charge and I think that's probably the 496 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,199 Speaker 1: correct spiritual decision for her that she doesn't have to 497 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: get She's been admirably above the fray this entire time, 498 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: whether the left or the former friends of the Right 499 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:22,280 Speaker 1: are talking about her, I think she's done the right thing. 500 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 1: So she talks about that, but she also noted what 501 00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: she wants is justice, and one way to achieve that 502 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: is not to taint the jury pool with a giant 503 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory flood that makes it harder to get justice. 504 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: So I pray for her just in her daily life 505 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: and everything she's doing, and we will always be on 506 00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 1: Wido defense hear it normally. 507 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 2: Well, thanks for joining us on Normally Normally airs Tuesdays 508 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,160 Speaker 2: and Thursdays, and you could subscribe anywhere you get your podcasts. 509 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,520 Speaker 2: Get in touch with us at normallythepod at gmail dot com. 510 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 2: We're going to have a special ask us Anything episode 511 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 2: two of them at the end of the year, so 512 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 2: please send us your question anything you want answered on 513 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,800 Speaker 2: those shows. 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