Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to this episode of the
Speaker 1: Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Uh These are.
Speaker 1: Some of our favorite segments from this week, all edited
Speaker 1: together into one NonStop infotainment laugh stravaganza. Uh yeah, So,
Speaker 1: without further ado, here is the Weekly Zeitgeist.
Speaker 2: Miles Colors.
Speaker 1: You are thrilled to be joined in our third seat
Speaker 1: by a very funny media critic, talented musician, just all
Speaker 1: around artists who you know from YouTube, where her work
Speaker 1: has been viewed millions of times and hailed by The
Speaker 1: New York Times.
Speaker 2: Please welcome, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Am I supposed to sing a song now?
Speaker 2: Yes? You got to your musician. You are duty bound.
Speaker 3: I didn't Preparis song. I didn't Preparis song.
Speaker 2: Will allow it this once.
Speaker 3: I'm just.
Speaker 2: Watch walking on the moon. Cat, there you go. My
Speaker 2: legs don't break. Yeah, see, I brought it all together
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 3: I'm just not hearing in awe, How on it you
Speaker 3: guys are so early in the morning.
Speaker 2: Right now, eleven fifty two.
Speaker 3: That's early in the morning for me. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we shouldn't be awake right now, frankly, quite frankly, Cat,
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be awake right now.
Speaker 2: And you're welcome.
Speaker 3: Look, you have lunch yet, and you're on it on it.
Speaker 2: I have not had lunch yet. Usually, like as soon
Speaker 2: as we're done recording, I'm like, I am fucked inside out.
Speaker 2: I'm so dumb about my food intake. Like I will
Speaker 2: let myself get angry hungry.
Speaker 1: And then yeah and then just be like god and
Speaker 1: then finally eat And it's like I was holding my
Speaker 1: breath like that's how hungry.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, damn you know that point like
Speaker 2: you were your stomach's empty, and like your breath smells
Speaker 2: bad because your stomach's so empty. My breath never smells bad.
Speaker 2: Well ship between drinking and baby.
Speaker 3: Well, I've never tried the sniff test when I'm about hungry.
Speaker 3: I probably should.
Speaker 2: I think you're probably responsible enough to probably eat when
Speaker 2: it's time to And we're just like just three more
Speaker 2: recordings and then I will have two twenty pieces of
Speaker 2: bread or whatever the you. But anyway, thank you so
Speaker 2: much for coming on. Moons. Can I call you moon cat,
Speaker 2: moon cat cat?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: People call me moon, people call me moon cat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody calls you moons, So I'm just gonna cut that.
Speaker 3: No one's ever called me moons.
Speaker 2: No, like, my mouth keeps wanting to do that, but
Speaker 2: that's a very I think that's like an American thing,
Speaker 2: like throwing as on dude moons. What's up, Moon? Yeah,
Speaker 2: moons came through. Dude Moons came through the pod. It
Speaker 2: was really fantastic. Yeah, but yeah, it's so great to
Speaker 2: have you here. Like like I was saying before, huge
Speaker 2: fans of your work, so it's really great to have
Speaker 2: you on to talk about this topic because it's Yeah,
Speaker 2: we just felt like, wait, we like this video, we
Speaker 2: love this creator. Let's have a conversation with them, and
Speaker 2: everyone wins. Everyone wins because I'm sure many of our
Speaker 2: listeners are also big fans too.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: This is definitely the guests that when I've told people.
Speaker 6: Everyone's like, oh hell yeah really, Oh damn, oh damn,
Speaker 6: oh listen, Oh my god, wait on your podcast if
Speaker 6: you swear.
Speaker 2: Yes, swear down in the title and everything. Yeah, swear down, man,
Speaker 2: We're gonna have moon Cat all right.
Speaker 1: Yeah I've been burnt before. Yeah, I put it in
Speaker 1: the title that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Look, Gavin McGinnis, he's a coward and
Speaker 2: he bailed on us. We thought we were gonna have
Speaker 2: a great conversation with him about the.
Speaker 1: But the wrong Gavin McGinnis, and we're sorry.
Speaker 3: I could just be AI. I could just be an
Speaker 3: AI version of myself.
Speaker 2: That's right, truly, Yeah, I mean for all we know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: but you showed us your hands. You had five digits.
Speaker 2: They didn't look all AI stuff, so yeah, you passed.
Speaker 2: The writing on your shirt is complete gibberish.
Speaker 3: But yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 2: What's your saying?
Speaker 3: It says sleepy head until I'm dead.
Speaker 1: Oh hell, that's actually I guess it's that as I
Speaker 1: am a very sleepy boy.
Speaker 3: It has has a little kitten on it. Despite this
Speaker 3: brand called Dogecore. The owner of that brand, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: owner of the brand just emailed me one day and
Speaker 3: was like, I love your videos. Let me send you
Speaker 3: anod of free clothes. And I was like, okay, yeah crypto,
Speaker 3: yeah yeah, that's it's not not affiliated with.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you've you've helped uncover everything from fucking crypto
Speaker 1: influencers to most recently, evolutionary psychology. And we wanted to
Speaker 1: have you on to talk about your Manosphere video, which
Speaker 1: is a favorite of ours, and just really open my
Speaker 1: eyes to a world that I wish I had never
Speaker 1: learned about, but I think it's important for our job
Speaker 1: covering the zeitgeist. It was it was very kind of
Speaker 1: enlightening as to what bullshit is happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just below the surface.
Speaker 1: What is something Jack Wagner from your search history that
Speaker 1: is revealing about who you are?
Speaker 7: Oh my god, this is the one I was not
Speaker 7: quite prepared for. But my search history in general is
Speaker 7: like insane because of this show. So like I'm just
Speaker 7: constantly I'm content. I mean, I could look at my
Speaker 7: search it might be boring today, but I'm constantly looking
Speaker 7: up stuff where I'm like, oh, I'm for sure going
Speaker 7: to end up on some watch list, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like a lot of podcast hosts
Speaker 2: who have deep dive shows have some version like there's
Speaker 2: no way I'm not on a watch list based on
Speaker 2: the ship I look up just for my show.
Speaker 7: But a funny one the other day that like in
Speaker 7: the middle of the inner something came up where like
Speaker 7: we were talking about, uh, you know those pictures on
Speaker 7: like Hallmark cards where it'll be like a black and
Speaker 7: white photo of two little kids usually dressed as adults,
Speaker 7: like wearing like nineteen forty suits and it'll be like
Speaker 7: a little boy holding a flower up to the girl
Speaker 7: or like kissing her on the cheek. Yeah, Like, I
Speaker 7: don't know whatever those are called. I was trying to
Speaker 7: figure out the name of the photographer, and I was
Speaker 7: having a lot of trouble. I think it's Kim Anderson,
Speaker 7: by the way. But like during the interview, which was
Speaker 7: like video recorded too, I kept doing this search and
Speaker 7: all of the searches I was doing were for sure
Speaker 7: going to end up like getting me on one of
Speaker 7: the watch lists because I was typing in like cute
Speaker 7: romantic children like photos.
Speaker 2: White like oh no, on a date, like this guy's
Speaker 2: a freak. Yeah, there's definitely like a page of shit
Speaker 2: like that and kids doing adult stuff. Yeah, wait a second,
Speaker 2: it sounds like a guy.
Speaker 7: It sounds like like somebody on their first day of
Speaker 7: being a pedophile.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 7: They don't know what to search, Ye, they like it
Speaker 7: like how kids used to when you were a kid,
Speaker 7: and you would search likenked women, boob.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah whatever. Yeah. I don't want to be greedy,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't want to come off like a
Speaker 2: weirdo just boob. I like that.
Speaker 1: The kid in that scenario is also like an old prospector.
Speaker 7: Yeah, naked, but yeah, I'm looking for that's a pretty
Speaker 7: good one.
Speaker 2: You didn't even realize that there was like a sort
Speaker 2: of like a Getty's kind of Yeah, I didn't like
Speaker 2: an tourist theory. Name drop on the other photography babies,
Speaker 2: great name drop. Yeah, who's the one who did the
Speaker 2: Wye Mariners? You know you know what I'm talking about that.
Speaker 2: It's like it was, Oh, William Wegman. If you look up,
Speaker 2: there was like in the the guy would dress up
Speaker 2: wyriiners and like human clothing and they were like dogs.
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yeah, yes, Oh.
Speaker 1: My god, I not know what word you're.
Speaker 2: I know what you're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
Speaker 2: the dog. I wonder if all of them I hate
Speaker 2: these photos. Yeah, I know they're just like I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: well dude, they're fucking They're just they're yeah, they're angering.
Speaker 2: I hope you googled that and that wasn't like a
Speaker 2: pull off the dome. I would be so impressed. But
Speaker 2: I knew, I just knew. I knew. I knew his name,
Speaker 2: but I always know it's the Wine Hiner photographer guy,
Speaker 2: because it's I'm impressed that, you know, the breed winem Reiner.
Speaker 2: It's because you know what, my dad's also a photographer,
Speaker 2: and he would always talk cash shit about these pictures.
Speaker 2: He's like, what the fuck is He's like, you're dressing
Speaker 2: up dogs? Either way, I wonder if these three link up, right, right,
Speaker 2: William like an Avengers of like or they just fucking
Speaker 2: hate each other, right, I'm thinking I hate each other?
Speaker 1: That would be a great like like.
Speaker 2: And Getty's is so pissed because like he got the
Speaker 2: big Hallmark deal in ninety four, right, and like like
Speaker 2: you believe they're making fucking porcelain figurines out of his dogs? Yeah.
Speaker 1: The winem Reinders seemed to be taken somewhat seriously. Is
Speaker 1: that am I? Like more seriously than the kids you
Speaker 1: know on the Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know, yeah. Yeah. It was like it was like
Speaker 2: a thing like serious. People were like, oh, like I
Speaker 2: have the William Wegman book, Sure of a fucking Dog
Speaker 2: wearing a robe?
Speaker 1: Okay, and they all like look down on Lisa Frank
Speaker 1: because she's like.
Speaker 2: I've Lisa's a artist, Lisa's a goat and omar William
Speaker 2: Wegman see this is like I think this is emblematic
Speaker 2: of the nineties in a way that gets lost, like
Speaker 2: this is what shit was actually like in the late
Speaker 2: nineties and early two thousands. Is that when this was
Speaker 2: going down? Yeah, this is like I mean it was big, definitely,
Speaker 2: like he was working through like from the seventies on.
Speaker 2: But I feel like I'm reading Yeah.
Speaker 1: For more than forty years, artist William Wegman has been
Speaker 1: making portraits and videos of his own beloved wim Reinder dogs,
Speaker 1: which have appeared in countless public occasions and feature on
Speaker 1: Sesame Street and Satay Night Life.
Speaker 7: I think it's probably like late nineties, early aughts. But
Speaker 7: this type of ship people know, why do kay? But
Speaker 7: they don't know like this type of ship, Yeah, because
Speaker 7: this is what people are actually into, right.
Speaker 2: Why do they make you?
Speaker 1: Is it because they appear to have human bodies? They're
Speaker 1: Wina Rhein in their heads on human bodies? Is it
Speaker 1: just the stupid simplicity of it?
Speaker 2: Vibes?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, vibes. I don't know, the vibes are atrocious.
Speaker 2: They're just I mean, like it's just like that was
Speaker 2: where the bar kind of was, you know, for It's
Speaker 2: like and then you know Williams work it sort of
Speaker 2: deals in what if Wymerhiners were the bourgeoisie? You know
Speaker 2: what can what can we parse through like the analysis
Speaker 2: of his work? You know what? You know what?
Speaker 7: Like the next version of this is is like there
Speaker 7: was a period where on every like bad micro brewery,
Speaker 7: there would be like a painting of like a gorilla
Speaker 7: in like a military uniform or a suit or something.
Speaker 7: Do you know what I'm talking about? Like hair wearing
Speaker 7: a suit and he had a mustache. It's the same ship. Yeah, evil,
Speaker 7: great art, evil just taking a different form.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what's that quote?
Speaker 1: But what if the animals were doing like people stuff?
Speaker 2: Is the question?
Speaker 1: So what this work of art presupposes is what if
Speaker 1: animals but people stuff?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, there's like one really great yeah work of
Speaker 1: I was just about.
Speaker 8: One.
Speaker 1: I'm a little avant garde. I like this painting where
Speaker 1: these dogs are playing poker.
Speaker 2: Well that's a classic.
Speaker 7: That is a classic America you I think I'm looking.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this should be just a show of you telling
Speaker 1: like differentiating between like pop art that is bullshit and
Speaker 1: pop art that is classic that he's like Frank classic.
Speaker 7: I hope those other world listeners tuning in being like
Speaker 7: maybe he'll reveal secrets, and it's just they're meeting the
Speaker 7: real me for the first time, and it's a big disappointment.
Speaker 7: It's all about dogs playing poker. Yeah, okay, I gotta
Speaker 7: close that tab. What is something, Claire that you think
Speaker 7: is overrated texting?
Speaker 9: M What do you mean texting as the primary form
Speaker 9: of communication. I think it's overrated. I think often things
Speaker 9: get lost in translation with punctuation and capitalization. I think
Speaker 9: people need to stop expecting me personally to text them
Speaker 9: back right away.
Speaker 8: Yes, I find texting.
Speaker 2: You gotta let it marinate. You gotta let it marinate.
Speaker 9: You gotta let it marinate. It's not natural to communicate
Speaker 9: with each other this quickly in this fashion. It's not natural.
Speaker 2: I feel like I wish they took like us, like
Speaker 2: switched I message like AOL instant messenger, where you here
Speaker 2: like like a door open, You're like, oh, who signed on?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: What's that? What's up?
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: You're on here? Help the door close? Well just later,
Speaker 2: just later. I feel like that was because that was
Speaker 2: the beginning of sort of like, hey, why aren't you
Speaker 2: talking to me? Because back then it's like yeah, because
Speaker 2: my ass is sat right in front of this fucking
Speaker 2: computer talking to you. Yeah, yeah, now with it in
Speaker 2: the hand. I'm like, we can't have that expert. I'm
Speaker 2: even terrible at responding right away most of the time,
Speaker 2: me too.
Speaker 9: An away message even just say i'll get back one
Speaker 9: of these. Hey, I'm sorry, but I'll get back to shortly.
Speaker 9: When what is that? Four hours or four days?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You break you people? Do you have people coming at
Speaker 2: you for not responding quickly? I'm guessing yeah, for what,
Speaker 2: like real stuff like please help me, I need it,
Speaker 2: I need a ride now to the doctor. I'm in
Speaker 2: big trouble.
Speaker 9: I'm gonna actually turned my phone off.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 9: I I well, I'm just generally a bad texture texture
Speaker 9: backer unless it is important. But if it's not important,
Speaker 9: and it's just like, hey, what.
Speaker 2: Are you doing next Sunday? Next?
Speaker 10: Yeah?
Speaker 9: And you know, I understand like the feelings of you know,
Speaker 9: that sort of everyday rejection we go through when somebody
Speaker 9: doesn't answer right away and you're asking them out or
Speaker 9: asking them to do something. But I'm just like, wait, are.
Speaker 2: You saying if we call you on the phone, then
Speaker 2: I'm going to respond really Okay?
Speaker 1: Both of those things stress me out, but yeah, phone
Speaker 1: calls I feel like much less stressful than having a
Speaker 1: text that's just sitting there, you know, unresponded to.
Speaker 2: Well, then there's also like that stress like that you have,
Speaker 2: like when you see someone calling that you haven't talked
Speaker 2: to on the phone a long time. You're like, oh,
Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? I'm like, we're normally
Speaker 2: texting area that means death. Yes, it's like did you
Speaker 2: die right now? Yeah? Oh you have my Deadwood DVD
Speaker 2: still okay? Yeah? Yeah yeah yeah yeah, bring yeah, just
Speaker 2: bring them over. You can leave them by the door.
Speaker 2: I'll be all right, thanks, oh thanks fucking god.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and you are saying thanks God because you really
Speaker 11: want to go. Yeah, don't know how to watch it
Speaker 11: on streaming. I still don't care about their health. You're
Speaker 11: just no, no, no, no.
Speaker 9: No, it's all about the Wood.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When there's like a group chat and like everybody's
Speaker 1: just like like there's just like text flying back and forth,
Speaker 1: I will frequently get too stressed out to respond.
Speaker 2: Oh I've seen that happen where I feel like we'll
Speaker 2: text about a game with Jabbari and like Jabari and
Speaker 2: I are going off on something and slowly I'm like
Speaker 2: Jack car respond this is these are firefucking texts right now,
Speaker 2: not even a tat back on anything. And then it's
Speaker 2: like seventy message if you're like, sorry, that was a
Speaker 2: lot to catch up on a lot to catch up
Speaker 2: right there. I get it.
Speaker 1: Always get a phone on you knows life does. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's not true that I don't keep my phone
Speaker 1: on me. I'm just sitting there trying to come up
Speaker 1: with something to text and just sweat pouring down, just
Speaker 1: being like, oh, it's too late. There are already four more.
Speaker 2: That's where AI would really help you, Jack, Yeah, Jack,
Speaker 2: find something witty to reply about this conversation about Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: Please, everyone's just a I boughts texting with other AI bots.
Speaker 1: That's the dream, according to the founder of Bumble. Oh
Speaker 1: yeah right, I bought dates another AI bought and for
Speaker 1: you and each other. Woa. Yeah, that's the that's what
Speaker 1: they they're promising with this AI stuff. It sounds too
Speaker 1: good to be true. What is what is underrated?
Speaker 5: Underrated Sam the app that tells you what songs are playing? Okay,
Speaker 5: I use it daily and I have such bad taste
Speaker 5: in music and I don't even know if it's bad taste.
Speaker 5: I think I just don't have any I don't know
Speaker 5: how to find music. And for instance, whenever I literally
Speaker 5: I people fast forward, I hear through Mark Maren's intros
Speaker 5: and wtf. Famously I don't do that. I love them,
Speaker 5: but I in this show all fast forward.
Speaker 2: You don't listen to the interviews, right.
Speaker 5: No, no, I don't even I've never heard another voice
Speaker 5: on the podcast other than it is, except the Joel
Speaker 5: Edgerton interview. But he but I fast forward to the
Speaker 5: end of this so I can hear Miles's music recommendations
Speaker 5: or Justin when Justin does them, because truly I do
Speaker 5: know bit actually like I always add those songs because
Speaker 5: I just don't find music. Well, I used to do
Speaker 5: it when I was listening, like to music in my car,
Speaker 5: like on the radio or whatever, and make like a
Speaker 5: note of it. So I guess it's been like fifteen
Speaker 5: years I've been able.
Speaker 1: Where are you shazaming things? You just like go and
Speaker 1: buy a car with its windows down like that.
Speaker 5: Happened the other day. Really I did that. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: were stuck at a stoplight.
Speaker 2: And I roll down your window. What is this? What
Speaker 2: is this? What is this? It was this guy was
Speaker 2: this guy? It was.
Speaker 5: It was a convertible, so you know, the music was good.
Speaker 5: Yeah the other day I have to I have to
Speaker 5: be a little quiet, but like it was, it was,
Speaker 5: it was, yeah, through the wall. I could hear him
Speaker 5: blasting music in my house. So I held my phone
Speaker 5: up to the wall shazam and I shazammed a song
Speaker 5: his song through the wall, and it was like a
Speaker 5: song by Portugal the Man. I'm like, I fucking love
Speaker 5: this song. And I just started listening to a ton
Speaker 5: of their music. And then I went to a concert.
Speaker 2: Oh really, you see Portugal the Man lists of this show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are shout out.
Speaker 5: Like I bought a hat. I have a Portugal the manhat.
Speaker 5: I listened to them all the time, literally because the
Speaker 5: zeitgeist oh amazing. As they should it should exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I I don't know why we're even mentioning that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like about the Empire weekend before
Speaker 1: we started. Obviously huge fans of this show.
Speaker 2: Art the Man should bring us on stage, like these
Speaker 2: two guys are real pieces of ship. Sometimes the po
Speaker 2: there's no reference to anything. Yeah, these books alright, all right,
Speaker 2: get out of here. The Grand Generation. What song was it?
Speaker 2: Do you know?
Speaker 10: What?
Speaker 2: Do you know what song it was?
Speaker 5: I wasn't paying attention. What were you playing?
Speaker 2: The man? Song was that? Did you shop? What kind
Speaker 2: of started?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 11: Was?
Speaker 2: Modern? Modern?
Speaker 5: That one that one I had heard of that was
Speaker 5: like the big one. It was called Modern Jesus. And
Speaker 5: then red, yellow, purple blue probably not the right colors
Speaker 5: waves all from that one album. I was like, really
Speaker 5: into it. And then I saw them in Philly whenever
Speaker 5: that was, and they were great.
Speaker 1: So yeah, us like all right, the tech industry as
Speaker 1: off the rails as they have steered our entire civilization
Speaker 1: over the past ten years, they have yours just that
Speaker 1: ship they and I am just reading this word for
Speaker 1: word from what Blake wrote in.
Speaker 5: The doc No no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: As much as they have fucked us with this AI.
Speaker 5: Bullshit that doesn't sound like me, they they've.
Speaker 1: Bought themselves, Like I think I'm giving them at least
Speaker 1: another four years just because of Sam Yeah, Shazam and
Speaker 1: the bird Shazam that I can't stop talking about is
Speaker 1: it's called Merlin, Merlin, Merlin. It's brought to you by
Speaker 1: I think Cornell University, and right, yeah, is that what
Speaker 1: they're called the Big Red.
Speaker 5: I know all the Ivy League teams.
Speaker 2: The Big Red.
Speaker 1: Anyways, it's a great app. Shazam is a great app.
Speaker 1: But you've got five more years the tech industry and
Speaker 1: then you need to do Yeah, you need enough another
Speaker 1: thing that just solves a basic human problem.
Speaker 2: What about this? We can we can give custom names
Speaker 2: to your farts.
Speaker 5: Another three months, another three months.
Speaker 2: That'll buy you about a week. Okay, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 2: That will buy you a little bit.
Speaker 1: But like they're really good, really great part names. Uh,
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: hear what you think is overrated Blake, Okay, that's not
Speaker 1: all right.
Speaker 5: I'll be here.
Speaker 2: Tri City Dust Double.
Speaker 8: And we're back.
Speaker 2: And I mean, where do you start? Where?
Speaker 1: Where to start?
Speaker 12: With?
Speaker 2: Thenisphere? Where to start? I will say.
Speaker 1: My first question about the Hemisphere was why videos so long?
Speaker 1: All their videos seem to be at least three hours long?
Speaker 2: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: And that's the thing that like kept me. I wonder
Speaker 1: if it's a strategy like it kept me out, but
Speaker 1: like for the people who have a worm in their
Speaker 1: brain that is like desperate for more Manosphere content, like
Speaker 1: it just it's a very selective group that makes it
Speaker 1: I guess not that selective looking at some of the
Speaker 1: view counts, but for people with such little rigor to
Speaker 1: what they're actually saying, they sure say it a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I had to watch a lot of those
Speaker 3: very long videos.
Speaker 1: I've never been more impressed by, like the level of
Speaker 1: research and also more sorry for the person doing that
Speaker 1: and watching your.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, same like people who like monitor the
Speaker 2: alt right on the show. Yeah, you're like I know
Speaker 2: that because I'm like I'm in all these chat groups. Man,
Speaker 2: I'm in all these tim like, oh you poor motherfucker.
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, but thank you, but thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean two time speed is a thing on YouTube.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it probably you really need to get the nuance,
Speaker 1: don't you of what these guys are saying. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's really you know, it's all very tonal and
Speaker 1: subtle and nope, no, it turns out it's not.
Speaker 2: Yeah. The thing that all that struck me first is
Speaker 2: like when I think about the Manisphere, like I knew
Speaker 2: all these figures like you know, Andrew Tate and Jordan
Speaker 2: Peterson and fresh and fit and like sneakle all these
Speaker 2: like weirdos who you know, are part of this this
Speaker 2: whole culture, but like I and I always knew that
Speaker 2: it was based on their misogynistic beliefs. But the thing
Speaker 2: that really came out on the video from is like
Speaker 2: how much quasi science pseudo science they use to sort
Speaker 2: of buttress their arguments, like in this way that it's
Speaker 2: not simply it's like dude, Like chicks don't even want
Speaker 2: to be like a dude anymore, like they have like no,
Speaker 2: there's this thing called hypergame man, and that, Like it's
Speaker 2: really interesting how they use these sort of academic inroads
Speaker 2: to then display, you know, to present their completely like
Speaker 2: regressive thinking. Like can you just sort of give just
Speaker 2: everyone an idea of like those main sort of pseudoscientific
Speaker 2: arguments that are laid out to sort of justify this
Speaker 2: misogyn worldview.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well yeah, a lot of it's rooted in evolutionary psychology,
Speaker 3: which is why my most recent video decided to delve
Speaker 3: into that a bit more. But yeah, their main ones,
Speaker 3: it's like, is hypergamy, where they sort of say that
Speaker 3: women are wired to want to date men that earn
Speaker 3: more than them, and there's like no way that that
Speaker 3: could be programmed out of them. It's just innate and
Speaker 3: feminism is just tricking them into thinking that they're not
Speaker 3: like that, but really they are like that, right yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And then'll also talk about how rape culture is a
Speaker 3: myth and they'll use like cherry picked studies to try
Speaker 3: and improve that as well.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And also they'll say that that even when it comes
Speaker 3: to domestic violence, they'll say that women are more violent
Speaker 3: towards men than men are towards women, and they'll use
Speaker 3: cherry picked studies to supposedly prove that. They'll also they'll
Speaker 3: say things like the terne of wage gap is a
Speaker 3: myth as well, and cherry pick certain studies to try
Speaker 3: and prove that as well.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, it's always striking how these like sort of
Speaker 2: these backwards ways of thinking. They're always they always find
Speaker 2: a way to be like that thing that is reality
Speaker 2: isn't actually not true, And here's this way to kind
Speaker 2: of intellectually get yourself out of this way of thinking
Speaker 2: or believing that what is happening is actually not happening
Speaker 2: and it's actually like a myth. And there's always this
Speaker 2: I'm always amazed at the just like the lack of well,
Speaker 2: I'm sure we'll get to it. Just like just how
Speaker 2: like it feels like a lot of these ideologies they
Speaker 2: prop up when the like sort of like the logic
Speaker 2: of their beliefs hit a dead end, like like like
Speaker 2: being a man was supposed to be enough, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm just I just exist, but things aren't. I'm not.
Speaker 2: I'm not experiencing all these things I see on television
Speaker 2: or the things that I believed. I am so now, well,
Speaker 2: what is mean? Oh, it's that everything else is fucked up.
Speaker 2: There's nothing I need to do to change. Let me now, like,
Speaker 2: let me stay sort of fixed in my belief and
Speaker 2: then begin to explain why everything else is not the
Speaker 2: issue or everything else is the issue, rather than like
Speaker 2: how I'm interacting with the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it basically like whenever before I investigated the Manisphere,
Speaker 3: I investigated quite a few different like scams, like sort
Speaker 3: of property investment scams and multi level marketing schemes and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, and I found that it definitely worked
Speaker 3: in much the same way as many scams, in the
Speaker 3: way that it would sort of target people and it
Speaker 3: would reel in people who definitely felt a bit lost
Speaker 3: in life and just were looking for, you know, like
Speaker 3: something else to blame it on, and we're offering a
Speaker 3: way out of that via paying who was ever, whoever
Speaker 3: this influencer was, for a course or whatever. So yeah,
Speaker 3: the minister would definitely reel in men who sort of
Speaker 3: feel like they don't have a purpose in life. And
Speaker 3: I guess in the past, your purpose would have been
Speaker 3: more easily been like, oh, I'm a man, therefore my
Speaker 3: purpose is to provide for a woman and for children,
Speaker 3: Whereas it's not that easy anymore, just to have a
Speaker 3: purpose based on your gender. It's not that simple anymore.
Speaker 3: So I think a lot of men they do feel
Speaker 3: a bit lost in life. And it's not you know,
Speaker 3: because of their gender. It's probably because of like capitalism,
Speaker 3: but they want to but they're looking to the past
Speaker 3: and they're thinking, well, in the past, I would have
Speaker 3: had this purpose, you know, to be a man, and
Speaker 3: I would have been given a wife, you know, by someone,
Speaker 3: and that would have been me and that would have
Speaker 3: been my life. But now I don't know what to do,
Speaker 3: so it's everybody else's fault kind of.
Speaker 2: Thing, right. I preferred middle stage capitalism, Yeah, exactly, That's
Speaker 2: when things were great.
Speaker 1: Their version of the past is also a wildly inaccurate
Speaker 1: version of what that.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they liked it. They like to say that
Speaker 3: women were happy in the nineteen fifties.
Speaker 1: They absolutely were were happy.
Speaker 3: They were all on drugs. Housewives were on drugs, right, yeah, lots.
Speaker 2: Of the time. Yeah, we were just talking recent but like,
Speaker 2: you know, the Stepford Wives being a commentary on that
Speaker 2: era of like just being so medicated that it was
Speaker 2: completely like not like dulling the senses of like a
Speaker 2: generation of women. But yeah, but now it's actually feminism
Speaker 2: that has created this unhappiness and now we're dealing with
Speaker 2: the fallout of that. Dude, Yeah, the feminist shit.
Speaker 1: In fact, the actual like details of the people that
Speaker 1: we meet in the video, like the fresh and Fit,
Speaker 1: Well I was not familiar. Is that the name of
Speaker 1: the show, the one where they just like get women
Speaker 1: drunk and then explain women to women?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't let them talk back, and if they do
Speaker 3: try and talk about they just kick them out of
Speaker 3: the podcast, supposedly beating them in the marketplace of ideas.
Speaker 1: Right, It's amazing, Like I've never seen someone like people
Speaker 1: be more infuriating to somebody else, like just try like
Speaker 1: the things that they're saying about women, like the most dismissive,
Speaker 1: diminishing things. And then if in the off chance, like
Speaker 1: one episode out of many, like the women can't take
Speaker 1: it anymore and get angry, then the men are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just sensitive while being the most thin skinned creatures,
Speaker 1: so emotional, get so emotional over anyone, just like talking
Speaker 1: back to them.
Speaker 2: It's it's so wild you put it out how like
Speaker 2: obviously you know people say this so much, especially in
Speaker 2: the US, like you just seen your feelings, just in
Speaker 2: your feelings now, and then when they get caught out,
Speaker 2: it's like, no, I'm having a fact response, having an
Speaker 2: emotional response, having a fact based response.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I forgot about that part. That was hilarious.
Speaker 2: The fact response is like, holy shit, man, the amount
Speaker 2: of mental gymnastics they got to do on that cognitive dissonance.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's wild. It's truly wild.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's why in my most recent video, I just dedicated
Speaker 3: a whole part of the video to facts versus feelings
Speaker 3: and how no one's only going off facts. Absolutely, no
Speaker 3: one is ever. Everybody has feelings and everybody's acting upon
Speaker 3: feelings and emotions. You can't escape them because if you
Speaker 3: if you did escape your emotions, then your brain wouldn't work.
Speaker 3: It would be just it would just short circuit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there is such a fear of feelings, clearly from
Speaker 2: all of these men. Yeah what I mean, which is
Speaker 2: why there has to be an emphasis on fact rather
Speaker 2: than like, I'm actually having feelings of terrible inadequacy. Yeah, no, dude,
Speaker 2: the facts are it's fucking hypergamy, man, and fucking eighty
Speaker 2: percent of the win. There's only twenty percent of the
Speaker 2: women available to the other eighty percent of men that
Speaker 2: are out there, because they're all going for the top
Speaker 2: twenty percent. So that's like we're already like so the
Speaker 2: way they have to set all of this ship up,
Speaker 2: it's really it's really fucking I mean, it makes sense
Speaker 2: because right, we're so averse to picking apart our egos
Speaker 2: or things like that, or bringing any self awareness to
Speaker 2: that that this is such a convenient way to avoid
Speaker 2: any kind of introspection or self critique because those are actual,
Speaker 2: those are those things are actually by default like impossible
Speaker 2: within the manosphere. Like I don't see many people being like, man,
Speaker 2: you got to sit down, take an inventory of kind
Speaker 2: of what you're feeling, maybe how things from your past
Speaker 2: may relate to this. Now. It's always just like, no,
Speaker 2: let me externalize everything everything is happening outside of me,
Speaker 2: because I'm fine, but the world has gone fucking mad
Speaker 2: and now I just need to learn how to navigate
Speaker 2: that with my macho shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which which kind of goes against the whole right
Speaker 3: wing perspective of individualism in a way, doesn't it just
Speaker 3: like lame everything around you?
Speaker 2: Truly?
Speaker 1: Yeah, those are facts and they have nothing to do
Speaker 1: with my feelings. Okay, So I had ever heard of
Speaker 1: Fresh and Fit or like a lot of the people covered,
Speaker 1: I did know Jordan Peterson pretty well at their point.
Speaker 1: He's a friend, and I think you were unfriend. No,
Speaker 1: he like the degree to which he has crossed over
Speaker 1: is kind of staggering when you when you look at
Speaker 1: like what he's saying, and I mean hypergamy is that
Speaker 1: we're calling what he's calling out like where women are
Speaker 1: like these domesticated animals who just like can't help but
Speaker 1: like respond to these instincts that make them find you repulse.
Speaker 1: It's so weird, like the psychological shit they're all going
Speaker 1: through like so many of the videos. I think you
Speaker 1: said at one point, like come down to how ugly
Speaker 1: do women find me?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're obsessed with like hierarchies. They really want to
Speaker 3: put them else on this hierarchy of how attractive they
Speaker 3: think they are to every woman, Like every woman is
Speaker 3: looking at a man and thinking, so, no, ten, they're not.
Speaker 3: They're they're extremely subjective in how they find a man,
Speaker 3: how attractive they find a man to be right, Whereas
Speaker 3: but they're looking at women and thinking five, six, an
Speaker 3: eight in turn or whatever, and they think that women
Speaker 3: are looking at men in the same way. They're absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Women all have different tastes and most men do as well,
Speaker 3: have all different tastes, but they think that everybody thinks
Speaker 3: that the way they do in this very sort of
Speaker 3: misogynistic way.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, it'sh haired chads and some women like dark
Speaker 1: haired chads, and that's it exactly.
Speaker 8: Those are the two tastes.
Speaker 1: That you need a jaw bone that looks like an
Speaker 1: upside down football helmet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the perfect mandibular angle is what all women are
Speaker 3: looking for us.
Speaker 1: But what do you like? Who would you say is
Speaker 1: the most kind of dangerous of these people who've who you've.
Speaker 3: Encountered the most dangerous person in the manisphere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, by the way, they are going to release a
Speaker 1: video after this saying with that I'm the most dangerous
Speaker 1: person in the.
Speaker 3: I would say probably Jordan Peterson because he's got the
Speaker 3: widest reach. He's got that whole PhD I know what
Speaker 3: I'm talking about thing going on. They all look up
Speaker 3: to him. Like when I made my Manusphet video, so
Speaker 3: many people in the comments were like, Jordan Peterson isn't
Speaker 3: a part of the manuscept he absolutely is. He's like
Speaker 3: the king of the Manisphere. So yeah, i'd probably say
Speaker 3: him just because he's got the most reach and.
Speaker 2: The most influence, and he's being embraced by political figures too.
Speaker 2: I think that's what also makes it especially dangerous. I mean, like,
Speaker 2: you know, Andrew Tate is obviously like a scumbag, and
Speaker 2: Violin has is like a danger to society, but like
Speaker 2: the level to which Jordan Peterson has sort of been
Speaker 2: you know, nodded to, or like his ideas end up
Speaker 2: kind of like bleeding into like right wing yeah, sort
Speaker 2: of poltical speech and things like that. Yeah, I definitely
Speaker 2: see that because it's again, it's that PhD that sort
Speaker 2: of takes it from Yeah, this isn't a guy wearing
Speaker 2: a fuzzy hat in a feather boa and giant sunglasses.
Speaker 2: This is a fucking PhD. Okay, they're saying the same thing,
Speaker 2: but the fact that the PhD is saying, I'm going
Speaker 2: to give that some more weight.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Andrew Tait is also dangerous, but he's dangerous in
Speaker 3: a much different way. But like he he only really
Speaker 3: I think most of the guys sort of into Manisphere
Speaker 3: ideas kind of look at Andrew Tait and think he's
Speaker 3: a bit of an idiot. So I think his I
Speaker 3: think his reaches is a lot. It's a lot less
Speaker 3: widespread than Jordan Peterson's, and I think, like, especially since
Speaker 3: the whole trafficking allegations, I think he Yeah, he will
Speaker 3: say the opposite publicly, he will say that it's only
Speaker 3: improved his reach, but I think it has actually diminished
Speaker 3: his reach a little bit because there are there are
Speaker 3: actually some guys in the Manisphere who are like, you know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't go so far as to traffic women actually,
Speaker 3: so maybe he's very great jokes.
Speaker 2: About it, but I will engage in the traffic. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's a bridge too far. I will make people believe
Speaker 2: that I'm saying it not as a you know, winky way,
Speaker 2: but yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean he's not the only person who has like
Speaker 1: bragged about committing assaults and you know, sexual violence in
Speaker 1: in this world like that. That was kind of shocking
Speaker 1: to me how many of these guys are actually saying
Speaker 1: that they're doing horrifying things like in the videos like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's how you kind of see like the
Speaker 2: evolution of it starts off with a like keep your
Speaker 2: room clean if you want to attract a woman, and
Speaker 2: then turns into like why rape culture is vaporware, it's fake,
Speaker 2: it's nonsense, and it gets more and more you know, violent,
Speaker 2: and yeah, it's really what. The thing that really struck
Speaker 2: me too is is kind of like it's so weird
Speaker 2: how these Manisphere figures who are like selling a course
Speaker 2: or whatever talk about the benefits of this mindset, of
Speaker 2: this mindset because all of their materials they use to
Speaker 2: sell these courses read like this fucking bizarro utopia in
Speaker 2: some nineties movie about being the coolest guy ever, and
Speaker 2: you putting this out in your video about the seduction
Speaker 2: devil and his course and like what he's prompt like,
Speaker 2: this is what he's promising people. Okay, And I thought
Speaker 2: this was really eye opening from your video it and
Speaker 2: this is from a Manisphere course. It's like ninety seven
Speaker 2: bucks or some shit, And it says in just one
Speaker 2: week across the court, it wasn't in seven In just
Speaker 2: one week after getting inside, you'll find yourself quote skipping
Speaker 2: the line at bars and clubs, high fiving the bouncers
Speaker 2: and befriending the staff, okay, attracting minds and tens effortlessly
Speaker 2: without saying oh word, holy shit, Entering a cafe with
Speaker 2: your new girl, receiving a warm welcome, and discovering that
Speaker 2: your regular has already been prepared.
Speaker 1: Wow, oh my god, hey.
Speaker 2: Jack, the regular, all right, I already had it here
Speaker 2: for you. Whoa baller who's had another one on your arm?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 6: My man?
Speaker 1: Hey, hi five.
Speaker 2: This fucking world doesn't even exist, not even for people
Speaker 2: who they would even think are that cool. But it's
Speaker 2: it's interesting to see how this like whatever, their lack
Speaker 2: of meaningful social interactions or what they believe they want
Speaker 2: to be, has created this like version of what they
Speaker 2: think is truly like what like is what they're just
Speaker 2: sort of telling on themselves. It's like, wait, so your
Speaker 2: fantasy is to walk into a cafe with your new
Speaker 2: girl and someone's like your regular, your ice, your milk
Speaker 2: with ice is ready? Okay?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Out of have I drink half and half with some
Speaker 2: little bit of ice on the rocks?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It did kind of remind me of like how the
Speaker 3: crypto scams work in a way. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you remember from my crypto video, the whole Crypto land
Speaker 3: where they were like, oh you could, you could move
Speaker 3: to this special island where everybody just trades with cryptocurrency
Speaker 3: and and we we have communal working spaces and everybody's
Speaker 3: going to have a lambow, and for the whole thing
Speaker 3: was just so it was just, yeah, an absolute fantasy
Speaker 3: based on crypto. It's not realistic at all.
Speaker 1: But it's so depressing that their vision of utopia is
Speaker 1: being beloved by service employees like that they like walk
Speaker 1: in and like everyone at Starbucks.
Speaker 8: Is like yay.
Speaker 1: Like it's just such an interesting like snapshot of like
Speaker 1: just dead list end stage capitalism where they're like and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna walk in and instead of treating me
Speaker 1: like I'm just there to spend money. They're gonna really
Speaker 1: love me and they're the bouncer is gonna be like
Speaker 1: rules don't apply to you because.
Speaker 2: They no smoking in here. Oh wait, it's you, amen,
Speaker 2: spark up, dude, You're the best. It's like, what were
Speaker 2: you not hearing enough in your life that created this version.
Speaker 2: But again, I think it says a lot because a
Speaker 2: lot of people they are lacking this, so they do
Speaker 2: just like, oh my god, I would love nothing more
Speaker 2: than to passively attract a partner without having to do
Speaker 2: any work or any effort, or to have the fear
Speaker 2: of failure of being rejected. I'd rather just feel like
Speaker 2: a human. Yeah, yeah, exactly. I'm such a fucking baller
Speaker 2: that my my aura is enough to bring all the
Speaker 2: boys or women or whoever, non bind your people to
Speaker 2: the yard. But I feel for this it's mostly had
Speaker 2: dudes looking for women. But like, you know, we talk
Speaker 2: a lot, a lot about deaths of despair, you know,
Speaker 2: and how they're rising, especially here in the United States,
Speaker 2: and it's clear that like America in this late stage
Speaker 2: capitalism era we're in is like unraveling, and there's like
Speaker 2: a cruel irony that like all of this manisphere shit
Speaker 2: is like almost like this, it's like a capitalist response
Speaker 2: to the chaos that has been sown by capitalism. It's like,
Speaker 2: rather than in investigating any of that, it's like, let
Speaker 2: me sell you something that is absolute nonsense that will
Speaker 2: actually send you into a darker hole. Like, you know,
Speaker 2: if these people were interested in making things better, there
Speaker 2: would certainly be some more again introspection analysis of like
Speaker 2: the forces that are shaping the world in which they live.
Speaker 2: But it's like, the problem isn't capitalism. It's that women
Speaker 2: are superficial and demanding too much. It's not capitalism, it's immigrants.
Speaker 2: How do you sort of see the relationship between the
Speaker 2: manisphere and an unwillingness to like engage in anything that
Speaker 2: is like, what's a solution here? It's because there's really
Speaker 2: no solution. It's more like the world's fucked up. This
Speaker 2: is how you be more fucked up to the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I don't I honestly like, I don't know
Speaker 3: what the solution is other than trying to sort of
Speaker 3: give men a different sort of outlet, because there definitely
Speaker 3: is like a problem. I think specifically since the pandemic.
Speaker 3: I think everyone, like not just men, are feeling a
Speaker 3: lot more lonely right and they've been looking online for
Speaker 3: solutions to that, and specifically with the manisphere. This sort
Speaker 3: of gateway drug is when you look up videos on
Speaker 3: how to talk to women to try and you know,
Speaker 3: pick them up or whatever they get, and like when
Speaker 3: you click on one of them, I mean that the
Speaker 3: algorithm will just take you further and further and further
Speaker 3: into the manisphere and until you eventually believe that women
Speaker 3: aren't actually sentient beings at all, they're just sort of
Speaker 3: programmed a certain way. And you'll get to the pick
Speaker 3: up artists who will like literally give you a flow
Speaker 3: chart and they'll say like it's like a dialogue tree
Speaker 3: that you can have with a woman, and they'll be like,
Speaker 3: if you say this this and this and this, then
Speaker 3: you'll definitely get her in bed kind of thing. And
Speaker 3: it's selling a very sort of simple, simple solution to
Speaker 3: this very complex problem of loneliness, which I think is
Speaker 3: a genuine problem. And I think that's exacerbated by dating
Speaker 3: apps because everybody relies on dating apps nowadays. And I
Speaker 3: do sympathize with men on dating apps because men have
Speaker 3: a much worse time on dating apps than women do,
Speaker 3: although women also do have a bad time, and that's
Speaker 3: why they're that's why they're leaving the apps, which which
Speaker 3: leaves more men on the apps than women, and that's
Speaker 3: why men will swipe right more on every women that
Speaker 3: they see and women will swipe left more because they're expecting.
Speaker 3: Women are expecting a match with anyone that they swipe
Speaker 3: right on right, so that will make that will cause
Speaker 3: women to be more picky, and men are increasingly not
Speaker 3: expecting a match with whoever they swipe right on, so
Speaker 3: that will cause them to be less picky. And that
Speaker 3: just happens more and more and more, and this feedback
Speaker 3: loop just happens even more increasingly all the time, until
Speaker 3: you get like a guy with barely any matches and
Speaker 3: a woman with too many matches and she doesn't know
Speaker 3: who to go on a date with, so like both
Speaker 3: genders are having a really awful time. But but the
Speaker 3: mistake that the Manisphere makes, and the sort of that's
Speaker 3: the excuse that they use to bring a lot of
Speaker 3: people in is to say that this is like real
Speaker 3: life now because of feminism. But they've got no they've
Speaker 3: got no proof of that other than dating apps. But
Speaker 3: dating apps work that way for a reason because it's
Speaker 3: not real life because women have all left. But women
Speaker 3: haven't left real life. Women still go into like bars
Speaker 3: and things, and you can still like women are still
Speaker 3: in trusted in making friend groups and so amen, and
Speaker 3: I think we need to sort of try and get
Speaker 3: back to that sort of real life thing of mingling
Speaker 3: in friend groups and you know, making friendships that might
Speaker 3: turn into something else based on that, whereas I think
Speaker 3: nowadays we sort of rely on dating apps so much
Speaker 3: that a lot of men in the manosphere just like
Speaker 3: think that that's real life and that's.
Speaker 2: Right based on the behaviors that they see or how
Speaker 2: yeah things are being sorted. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of it seems to be inter human relations
Speaker 1: that are mediated by capitalists, you know, yeah, the dating
Speaker 1: app profiles or the person who fantasizes about everybody in
Speaker 1: the bar who works at the bar liking them, and
Speaker 1: it just feels like everyone's turned into our product, Like
Speaker 1: this is all part of this weird thing where we're
Speaker 1: trying to apply the rules of capitalism, like late stage
Speaker 1: hyper capitalism to interactions and then we're like what happened?
Speaker 2: Why is everybody?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's the same way that we ruined
Speaker 3: sort of like restaurants with all of these food delivery apps,
Speaker 3: and it's the same way that we ruined all of
Speaker 3: these taxi companies with uber is because they tried to
Speaker 3: like lays a fair capitalism all of these all of
Speaker 3: these companies and all of these industries and they tried
Speaker 3: to completely libertarianize them all. And they've done the same
Speaker 3: with dating as well. And they've and then they've sort
Speaker 3: of realized that, oh, this is this isn't actually good
Speaker 3: for people? Is it?
Speaker 4: Like?
Speaker 3: Doing it like this?
Speaker 1: Let's take one more break and we'll come back and
Speaker 1: finish out talking about this.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: And we're back.
Speaker 2: We're we're back, all right.
Speaker 13: There is this article in what was it in, I
Speaker 13: don't know, Apple News, so it's one of the order,
Speaker 13: probably a Hollywood reporter, one of those places that makes
Speaker 13: you subscribe or you can get it through Apple News, but.
Speaker 1: The headline is Hollywood Nightmare. New streaming service lets viewers
Speaker 1: create their own shows using AI, and the promise is
Speaker 1: the generative artificial intelligence, the auto complete thing that chat
Speaker 1: GPT does is coming for streaming with the release of
Speaker 1: a platform dedicated to AI content that allows users to
Speaker 1: create episodes with a prompt of just a couple of words.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, what would those words be?
Speaker 1: That you think you would get a good show out.
Speaker 9: Of step Mom bubs?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like that makes sense to me if you're telling.
Speaker 9: What's gonna happen?
Speaker 1: And sure like that if you told me that, I'd
Speaker 1: be like, I bet that would be pretty popular. But
Speaker 1: like creating long form entertainment that like competes with Netflix
Speaker 1: just likes, I don't, like, I don't even know how
Speaker 1: they think that's going to work. And like what So
Speaker 1: I read the article and the example. I was like,
Speaker 1: do they have like an example that we can look at?
Speaker 8: And they have this south Park deep fake that is
Speaker 8: so it's just a South Park episode without jokes and
Speaker 8: where the characters instead of like doing anything, just like
Speaker 8: kind of stand in a hallway and say lines toward
Speaker 8: the camera.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But it's and like they sound like all the South
Speaker 1: Park characters sound like tech bros. Like the questions are
Speaker 1: like they're they don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, all the voices are just like it all
Speaker 2: sounds like yeah, just but like even the nuances between
Speaker 2: the characters. They talk like tech bros in this thing, right,
Speaker 2: It's like you literally pick, like who's the hero of
Speaker 2: the episode, which characters do you want in the episode?
Speaker 2: And then what's your prompt? This one says Cartman heard
Speaker 2: of the screen actors guild strike and blah blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. So this is what the shit sounds like.
Speaker 3: That's ridiculous, Cartman.
Speaker 14: Is it ridiculous or is it so ridiculous that it
Speaker 14: just might work? No, it's definitely just ridiculous. Well, then
Speaker 14: I guess you guys won't want to cut the profits.
Speaker 14: When Queepy takes off more for me, then there won't
Speaker 14: be any profits. Krtman, you're going to get sued, not
Speaker 14: if they can't prove it. Now, if you'll excuse me,
Speaker 14: I have a deep fake streaming empire to build.
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh huh so, and then cut to next scene
Speaker 1: where they're just delivering lines like I'm just repeating the
Speaker 1: same premise over and over again. And then they like
Speaker 1: they've seen episodes of South Park before, so they're like
Speaker 1: and then Tom Cruise makes a cameo, but like he
Speaker 1: doesn't do like there's no content, there's like no ideas
Speaker 1: in it, there's no jokes in it. It's just like
Speaker 1: wait form inform a South Park episode?
Speaker 9: Are they taking so you can write your own quote
Speaker 9: unquote write your own shows? But it's is it all
Speaker 9: through existing ip It's not even like they generate new
Speaker 9: characters that look like you or anything like that.
Speaker 2: I think this is just like a demonstration of just
Speaker 2: like demontration. Yeah how but I think the far out version,
Speaker 2: the far out version will be like I want to
Speaker 2: see a like Steve McQueen esque movie where my uncle
Speaker 2: is the getaway drive, you know, like that kind of shit.
Speaker 2: I think is what they they're trying to say is
Speaker 2: the fucking future. But I think again, the only ship
Speaker 2: that this stuff is good for is like playing around,
Speaker 2: not like real creative shit. So I think porn is
Speaker 2: probably the thing that would get the most use out
Speaker 2: of it because in a way, like it's you're trying
Speaker 2: to externalize your fantasies in some way people don't know
Speaker 2: how to.
Speaker 1: Everyone knows a storm like just very functional, right, It's
Speaker 1: not like you're trying to have the subtlety of like
Speaker 1: art with commentary or anything like that, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, Like I think hopefully, if anything,
Speaker 2: this helps people understand like, man, I don't know how
Speaker 2: to fucking make anything, dude, Like I tried to make
Speaker 2: a cool show with the fucking AI, and I like, man,
Speaker 2: fucking I'm back.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: If everyone realizes they're out of their league, they they
Speaker 9: keep graphic designing or whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, I recommend everybody. Why well, we'll link off to
Speaker 1: the south Park episode. It's worth like forcing yourself through
Speaker 1: five minutes of it just to like get a sense
Speaker 1: of because I feel like it really illustrates the people
Speaker 1: who are doing this and like what they think is
Speaker 1: cool and just how depressing and like bereft of any soul.
Speaker 1: Like it is like not that South Park is like
Speaker 1: this soulful thing, but it's just it really is wild.
Speaker 1: Like it's hard. It's hard to describe, but it will
Speaker 1: make you want to do a hard reset with.
Speaker 2: A they're a gun, They're a gun on your temple? Yeah,
Speaker 2: really get it out the.
Speaker 1: Uh So you're never gonna guess which actor does not
Speaker 1: seem to appreciate the limits of AI. That's right, it
Speaker 1: is Ashton Kutcher. He recently made headlines after sitting down
Speaker 1: with Google CEO Eric Schmidt and extolling the virtues of AI.
Speaker 1: He specifically heaped praise on generative text to video AI
Speaker 1: tools such as open Ai Sora, which we we've talked
Speaker 1: about Sora before. It's the one that like creates weird, trippy,
Speaker 1: very creepy video clips, like it's getting better.
Speaker 2: See the new one the guy was eating Ramen and loot. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: hell yeah. They got the noodles down.
Speaker 1: And it did that by ingesting like all of YouTube illegally,
Speaker 1: Like they just took everything off YouTube and like put
Speaker 1: it into this you know, generative engine.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, if you asked the chief technical officer
Speaker 2: of so they asked. Someone did ask the CTO of
Speaker 2: this company, and she was like, huh, you know, I
Speaker 2: don't actually know. It's amazing because like this journalist from
Speaker 2: the Wall Street Journal like made a prompt like a
Speaker 2: mermaid thing with a crab in it, but the crab
Speaker 2: literally had a mustache like on SpongeBob. And she's like, hmm,
Speaker 2: I feel like this isn't wholly original because I've seen
Speaker 2: a depiction of a crab like this elsewhere. So that's
Speaker 2: what got her to ask the question, Claire, They're coming
Speaker 2: for your paycheck, you know, at least by residuals. Yeah,
Speaker 2: well here she is defending you know what, don't worry
Speaker 2: because it's not I don't know if we did. Maybe
Speaker 2: we did. I don't know what.
Speaker 4: Data was used to train SOA.
Speaker 10: We used publicly available data and licensed data.
Speaker 4: So videos on YouTube, look at that face, Just videos
Speaker 4: from Facebook, Instagram, you.
Speaker 10: Know, if they were publicly available available, publicly available to s,
Speaker 10: there might be the data. But I'm not sure. I'm
Speaker 10: not confident about it.
Speaker 4: What about Shutterstock? I know you guys have a deal
Speaker 4: with them.
Speaker 10: I'm just not going to go into the details of
Speaker 10: the data that was that was used. But it was
Speaker 10: publicly available or licensed data?
Speaker 2: Yeah, why the fuck am I on trial right now? Well?
Speaker 2: Was it?
Speaker 12: That's the most why do they get the most basic
Speaker 12: question about an AI think is like there's an input
Speaker 12: and then an output, and they're like, why are you
Speaker 12: asking me about the input?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the CTO And you're like, ah, so, well,
Speaker 2: don't you said videos on YouTube? And her mouth literally.
Speaker 6: Went yeah, you got in a fucking four game.
Speaker 2: Damn, what are you doing? And then to end that
Speaker 2: with you know, I'm actually not going to talk about
Speaker 2: this wo stellar defense. You know what, I actually didn't
Speaker 2: even think about that.
Speaker 1: Huh, where does the video come from? I just paid
Speaker 1: attention to like what came out of it. But yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, there must be something going in. It's like
Speaker 1: you're the chief technical officer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they need a better they need better liars
Speaker 2: in here. Like it's so weird that she thought, just
Speaker 2: say you didn't do it.
Speaker 9: Bring back bring back the Sarahnos lady, right, are you
Speaker 9: not a powerful millionaire?
Speaker 1: Just lie and say you didn't do it.
Speaker 2: Don't you know how these grifts go. You gotta lie
Speaker 2: all the way to the end until people going damn,
Speaker 2: all that shit was a lie. But I guess, I mean,
Speaker 2: maybe they are making it easier for us to be
Speaker 2: a little more discerning, because when you do interviews like this,
Speaker 2: it just makes them look so fucking bad.
Speaker 1: So Ashton Kutcher was like, it's gonna it's gonna make
Speaker 1: footage you could ease, you'll easily use in a major
Speaker 1: motion picture, a television show, like specifically, I think he
Speaker 1: was referencing like establishing shots like outside. He's like, we're
Speaker 1: not gonna need people to actually we're not gonna need
Speaker 1: artists to need that shit unit. I'm just gonna invent
Speaker 1: things and that does seem like a thing that it
Speaker 1: could do, actually, and that sucks. That's fucking terrible. And
Speaker 1: instead of that being terrible, he's like, no, this is
Speaker 1: the future. What you better get on board. But people
Speaker 1: are also pointing out also, I like this Lene. Someone
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I think that Sara might be able
Speaker 1: to make an Ashton Kutcher movie, but not like a
Speaker 1: necessarily a Sean O'Connor. Yeah, And then so he defended
Speaker 1: himself on Twitter saying, Hollywood ignoring this is just gonna
Speaker 1: like be catastrophic for everybody. It's like, no, what the
Speaker 1: fuck are people who like righte Like, what are the creatives,
Speaker 1: like the ninety eight percent of the people in Hollywood,
Speaker 1: what the fuck are they supposed to do with this?
Speaker 1: You know, this is just a thing that matters to
Speaker 1: the like executive who are trying to like cut the
Speaker 1: bottom line, like the people that he hangs out with,
Speaker 1: Like what is the DP who like does the establishing
Speaker 1: shots for a film, Like, what the fuck is he
Speaker 1: supposed to do with this information?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 1: Like, and you've been replaced by a fucking AI software.
Speaker 2: You should up your game. So a director wants you
Speaker 2: to be the main director of photography and that's you're
Speaker 2: not stuck.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Earlier this spear.
Speaker 2: Ship where they're like, if they ignored it's going to
Speaker 2: be catastrophic. Like is that a threat? They're like, because
Speaker 2: you know once AI comes then they're gonna get mad
Speaker 2: at you for ignoring it, or that it's gonna somehow revolution.
Speaker 2: I like, I get that they're trying to say it's
Speaker 2: a tool, but then when they also say shit like
Speaker 2: you know jobs are going to change, we need to
Speaker 2: be prepared, and you're not following that up with something
Speaker 2: actually radical about the nature of work, then shut the
Speaker 2: fuck up about this. Well.
Speaker 1: So the thing that I think the bait and switch
Speaker 1: they're trying to pull off the executive class here is
Speaker 1: there you using somebody who is like nominally an actor,
Speaker 1: who is actually like a media executive. He has a
Speaker 1: venture capital firm, cool Sounder.
Speaker 2: Centures, your sound Ventures.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was able to start it in twenty fifteen
Speaker 1: when with nothing more than his beautiful face, his business talents,
Speaker 1: and one hundred million dollars from Liberty Media.
Speaker 2: Oh which, oh, oh, Libertal Group at all yeah.
Speaker 1: So he's like a media investor, and that's where this
Speaker 1: is coming from. He's just trying to do the work
Speaker 1: of being like, guys, this is nothing to fear. This
Speaker 1: is the future, and it's gonna make sick shit.
Speaker 2: Dude, Like you don't you don't have you don't even
Speaker 2: have the discerning abilities to know that Danny Masterson was
Speaker 2: a piece of shit. For how the fuck am I
Speaker 2: supposed to be? Like, yeah, dude, what about this technology stuff, Pashton,
Speaker 2: Because like you said that Sound Ventures has like a
Speaker 2: two hundred and forty million dollar AI fund, so there's
Speaker 2: so they're so deep in on this shit. And this
Speaker 2: is the thing, man, every time Kutcher starts opening his
Speaker 2: mouth about technology, you have to presume it's a grift
Speaker 2: because he was doing this with Crypto too, Like this
Speaker 2: isn't this is like his new thing, like he likes
Speaker 2: to be like, oh man, these NFTs are fucking sick. Man.
Speaker 2: They're gonna make this new show called Stoner Cats or
Speaker 2: like doing funny videos with like the creator of like
Speaker 2: Ethereum and trying to make.
Speaker 15: Like yeah, dude, we're just like out here just like
Speaker 15: trying to figure out what this stuff is and he
Speaker 15: he made a donation to Ellen like a charity that
Speaker 15: she was running, like but as a crypto donation to
Speaker 15: bring more eyeballs onto it.
Speaker 2: So everything he does is about propping up his own investments.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's yeah, I mean he's like all these
Speaker 1: a lot of these famous people like get rich and famous,
Speaker 1: and then the people they hang out with are other
Speaker 1: like media executives and like other millionaires, and so they're
Speaker 1: just going to think all this shit is cool and
Speaker 1: like think thought that like those people are putting in
Speaker 1: their heads.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean this is this. This is the
Speaker 2: thing that keeps going is like you know, the New
Speaker 2: York Times is embroiled in a lawsuit because they're like,
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure you're probably skimming our articles to train
Speaker 2: some of this ship. And yeah, many industries are like no,
Speaker 2: like you keep saying you're skimming the internet like to
Speaker 2: train these things. So how the fuck could it not
Speaker 2: you You're you're constantly going like, oh, not that that's
Speaker 2: copyright and like the way that even that CTO was
Speaker 2: like I believe it's publicly available, Like what do you
Speaker 2: mean that you can just access it? Or they're saying
Speaker 2: that the licensing. It's it's available for any kind of
Speaker 2: use to the public, and it was available.
Speaker 1: To me, and that I just like went in and
Speaker 1: fucking hacked that ship.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I used YouTube downloader and you got it off,
Speaker 2: not me.
Speaker 9: I can't. I can't pay the pass the paywall. I
Speaker 9: only get the first four cents of article. I don't
Speaker 9: really know what you guys are talking. I get always
Speaker 9: tant to get the gist. Yeah, I wonder what will
Speaker 9: happen when this comes back to bite Ashton in the
Speaker 9: in his sweet little ass and there's a video that
Speaker 9: comes out of him, like fucking a pig's head or something, right,
Speaker 9: AI generated Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: And then issue and AI generated half hearted apology video
Speaker 1: in front of the wooden wall. Yeah, with a wrinkley
Speaker 1: T shirt, looking like he hasn't slept in a while.
Speaker 9: I guess it's forever the circle.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Do you think before that apology video they had like
Speaker 1: a make up like a person come in and like
Speaker 1: make them look disheveled.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I think they're both actors enough that they I think
Speaker 2: they're have enough savvy. Yeah, because they had like these
Speaker 2: like poor poor us faces on.
Speaker 1: They look like smelled bad, you know, because you're sot.
Speaker 2: I mean that is a good point. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: like in a way I could smell the stress sweat. Yeah,
Speaker 2: through the computer screen for that feel like I feel
Speaker 2: like they have their hair and makeup person come through
Speaker 2: and be like, but like this time, like make us
Speaker 2: look like shit, like make it like make us down.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: Then I would say, I would say, you don't need me.
Speaker 2: If you want to look like shit, I would say,
Speaker 2: don't put any makeup.
Speaker 9: It's that no makeup, makeup. Look, yeah, I'm doing it.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They're like hydrated.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh that's good.
Speaker 8: That's good.
Speaker 2: Dehydrated.
Speaker 1: I mean I'm not gonna get dehydrated because that could
Speaker 1: totally fuck up pH levels.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But actually that reminds you. I need to drink
Speaker 2: a gallon of alkaline water right now. Yeah, you bring
Speaker 2: it over, bring it over, bring it over now. And
Speaker 2: I'm fucking freaking out. I'm freaking out.
Speaker 1: Not always the best stories you hear behind the scenes
Speaker 1: about the ash Man, But that's all. That's all I
Speaker 1: say about that. The Tribeca Film Festival also getting in
Speaker 1: on the whole thing with some Sora shorts, which are
Speaker 1: short films created by chat GPT's like video thing.
Speaker 2: What a fucking slap in the face to people who
Speaker 2: actually want to filmmaker, Like really, yeah, so they're they're
Speaker 2: gonna celebrate people who just typed a fucking prompt into
Speaker 2: it and being like, and that's an art form two miles. Okay, no,
Speaker 2: it is fucking not. But yeah, oh.
Speaker 1: They're all created by Sam Altman and he is a genius,
Speaker 1: I swear to god, but yeah. People were also pointing
Speaker 1: out similarly, like it it really always feels like you
Speaker 1: can just trace this bullshit back up to somebody who
Speaker 1: has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in this shit.
Speaker 1: In this case, Tribeca Film Festival is owned by Tribeca Enterprises,
Speaker 1: which is owned by Lupa Systems, the company run by
Speaker 1: Rupert Murdoch's son James, and Lupas Systems has multiple investments
Speaker 1: in AI companies, including one that produces generative music, which
Speaker 1: is my favorite genre of music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, generative, Yeah, because it will generate a fucking headache
Speaker 2: and crisis as you listen to it. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I get yeah, everything, Like that's what's they make it
Speaker 2: so easy though, Like with these grifts, like you just
Speaker 2: have to do a little bit of digging, and you're like,
Speaker 2: what celebrity, where's their money? Who?
Speaker 1: With so much information that I feel like people who
Speaker 1: don't listen to this show. Yeah, and there are people
Speaker 1: like that still out there, folks. So talk to your
Speaker 1: friends and family. But you know, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: if I was just reading headlines, I'd be like, man,
Speaker 1: it seems like Hollywood's warming up to AI, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like it's just easy when when the
Speaker 1: mainstream media is like kind of in on the grift
Speaker 1: in this case, like with Crypto, they were at least
Speaker 1: like somewhat skeptical, but in this case it feels like
Speaker 1: the corporate.
Speaker 2: Overlords just have it so that they're like, hey, I
Speaker 2: wave at the future, right, Yeah, And then they have
Speaker 2: like the stupid human trick of like chet GPT seeming
Speaker 2: to be alive by doing auto complete really well, and
Speaker 2: so that's enough to like get the momentum they need.
Speaker 2: But just keep it to tricks, man, Just keep it
Speaker 2: to fun party tricks. Stop saying it'll do that's all else.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you think it's fun party trick, well you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun party trick of history. Because this
Speaker 1: is the future of Hollywood.
Speaker 2: I mean, we already know it's happened on podcast too,
Speaker 2: Like it's not people are like, you know.
Speaker 1: That joke very well was written by AI's.
Speaker 9: Wait I wrote that.
Speaker 2: Special party trick of history.
Speaker 9: Are they doing that and podcasts ship?
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's there's a lot of like like the like
Speaker 2: trying to build voice models and things like that to
Speaker 2: be able to like automate stuff down the road, you know,
Speaker 2: Like and.
Speaker 1: It's one that I've been doing it for a while
Speaker 1: that's like a comedy podcast that's they claim as all AI,
Speaker 1: but it's actually made by two comedians and it seems
Speaker 1: like the comedians are actually writing it.
Speaker 9: That's kind of funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that one? Will Sasso is involved?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Will Sasso is involved in it, and
Speaker 1: like it just seems like it's a bit. But there
Speaker 1: have been others that are like actually a I generated
Speaker 1: and I don't I haven't seen them catch on yet, shockingly.
Speaker 2: No, because you can even like do you even see
Speaker 2: the AI videos that they have, like the AI voices.
Speaker 2: You see a lot more on like uh social posts
Speaker 2: like or like TikTok ads or things like that, like
Speaker 2: because they're they're basically cutting out like cheap voiceover actors
Speaker 2: by just having AI voice, like the voice to text. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's so wanked, like it does like these things that
Speaker 2: are you know, ads a few positives or things like that,
Speaker 2: but it's still to the human ear. You're like, is
Speaker 2: this person like like take a bunch of valume and
Speaker 2: then a bunch of oppers or something, and they're like
Speaker 2: they're completely crosswired here. It's very odd to listen to.
Speaker 9: But again, my hot take is that something worse than
Speaker 9: AI generated content like that are what have you ever
Speaker 9: seen an ad on Instagram where it's like a fake
Speaker 9: two people talking about a product on a fake podcast.
Speaker 9: Oh seemingly like oh this person who created this product
Speaker 9: happened to be on a podcast talking about it and
Speaker 9: they filmed it. But it's clearly just for Instagram. Yeah,
Speaker 9: Like that's because that's a popular clip that looks like style. Yeah,
Speaker 9: interesting podcast.
Speaker 2: There's so many quote unquote podcasts that are also just
Speaker 2: like that, where like we just need to make like
Speaker 2: a two minute video in here, but let's just put
Speaker 2: MIC's in front of us with like a flat screen
Speaker 2: TV with a graphic and then crazy they're really talking
Speaker 2: about on that podcast.
Speaker 9: Or that Rocket Money ad. Have you seen those Rocket
Speaker 9: Money ads where they're they're fake like stand up Peckler
Speaker 9: clips where there's a stand up talking about like yeah,
Speaker 9: and you know when you have all these subscriptions and
Speaker 9: it's just crazy, right, and someone in the audience goes
Speaker 9: Rocket Money and then the comic goes, oh, oh, that's
Speaker 9: exactly right, rocket and like it's shot like a stand
Speaker 9: up clip. It's really freaky. They do it with like
Speaker 9: three different fake comedians.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 9: I can't believe you haven't seen this yet. I don't
Speaker 9: got to see it.
Speaker 2: That's a good that's usually on Instagram.
Speaker 9: Maybe it's on my my algorithm specifically, but yeah, if
Speaker 9: you're heavy in the stand up clips, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Love crowd work, dude, there's someone so cool about all
Speaker 2: these crowd work clips. I think that's the future comedy.
Speaker 2: Just someone's talking to a bunch of people they don't know,
Speaker 2: not even doing material, and.
Speaker 1: The thing they're saying that they're brilliant observision is just
Speaker 1: how good a product is?
Speaker 2: I love that? Oh yeah, I love that app. We're
Speaker 2: all talking about it backstage.
Speaker 9: This coca cola tastes good and there's no calories.
Speaker 1: And that's what I like about the crowd work is
Speaker 1: just the exchange of ideas about how what apps are cool?
Speaker 9: Wow, unbelievable.
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