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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey, guys, welcome to a breaking news episode of the

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Speaker 2: Almost Famous podcast today. I am joined, of course, by

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Speaker 2: my lovely, beautiful, intelligent co host.

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Speaker 3: Ben Hagen's gracious.

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Speaker 2: And like the Andy Cohen of the Bachelor franchise, specifically

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Speaker 2: on TikTok, his name is Zachary Reality. We're so happy

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Speaker 2: to have him.

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Speaker 4: So happy to be here, especially like after such a

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Speaker 4: crazy year of Bachelor Nation. So it's a good time

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Speaker 4: to come on with the end of the year. So

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Speaker 4: Happy New Year, guys, Almost.

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Speaker 2: Happy Almost New Year. Well, so Friday afternoon, Jill and

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Speaker 2: I are here. We're looking at all the instagrams of

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Speaker 2: the quote happy couples and we're like, why are none

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Speaker 2: of these people hosting pictures of each other? There are

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Speaker 2: no Instagram hard launches, and to this time we still

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Speaker 2: don't have some you know.

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Speaker 3: True.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So, first off, Aaron and Eliza have not to

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Speaker 2: be heard from at all on Instagram.

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Speaker 3: What about Kat and John Henry.

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Speaker 4: She posted a story that they were going to move

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Speaker 4: to San Diego together, or that's what it said in

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Speaker 4: the credits. Yeah, they posted that they were like still together,

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Speaker 4: and then he reposted her story but nothing else but.

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Speaker 2: Just stories, and Jill and I thought that was a

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Speaker 2: little weird. Then we were like trying to explain it,

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Speaker 2: saying like, possibly the show may have like not wanted

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Speaker 2: spoilers to the people who were watching on Hulu. Maybe

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Speaker 2: they gave him a little bit of like a twenty

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Speaker 2: four hour hold. But then I'm at a Jonas Parler

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Speaker 2: concert and all of a sudden Ben texts me, and

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Speaker 2: he goes Kylie and Avan they just posted that they

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Speaker 2: what they broke up or that he cheated, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, well, wait a second. And then you were like,

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Speaker 2: but he posted yesterday that they were together. And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: I was literally on their Instagram, like not even twenty.

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Speaker 3: Four hours ago.

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Speaker 2: How they posted that they were together in this amount

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Speaker 2: of time, in this twenty four hour spand you're telling

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Speaker 2: me they went from nothing which was weird, to actually

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Speaker 2: posting something to then posting a breakup announcement. How did

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Speaker 2: that all happen so fast? Like this is where we

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Speaker 2: have to pour in, Zach, Why don't we.

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Speaker 3: Actually hasn't Ashley hasn't breathed yet, She's just good.

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Speaker 2: I like, so weird it out about what possibly happened. So, Zach,

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Speaker 2: why don't you'll break it down for us a little

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Speaker 2: bit and then we'll do the speculation.

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Speaker 4: So she posted a couple photos of him throughout the season,

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Speaker 4: just of like what was on the show, so just

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Speaker 4: kind of like promoting the show whatever. So he was

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Speaker 4: already on her grid, but he never posted her to

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Speaker 4: begin with. The day after the show, we all see

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Speaker 4: what happens. They leave together as boyfriend and girlfriends because

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Speaker 4: she wanted to get engaged and Avan did not, and

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Speaker 4: we can get into that too. But then the day

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Speaker 4: after the show, they post a picture together, very high quality.

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Speaker 4: They probably hired a photographer. I thought it was a

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Speaker 4: movin post because it looked like it was in an

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Speaker 4: apartment that they moved in together on Instagram.

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Speaker 2: But there's no confirmation of this. Is this speculation, Yeah, okay.

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Speaker 4: So that's what it assumes. I mean, the caption was

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Speaker 4: like we you know, when something's worth fighting for.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So then the next day or like hours later, she

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Speaker 4: posts a story. I don't know if you want to

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Speaker 4: like read it word for word, but basically saying that

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Speaker 4: there was multiple infidelities and that things have come to

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Speaker 4: the light. So then she untags herself and deletes all

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Speaker 4: those posts, so there was three of him on her page,

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Speaker 4: and then unfollows him. She has the story up, and

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Speaker 4: then the next morning he posts that he confirmed he

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Speaker 4: did cheat on her. He's working on himself. He apologizes,

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Speaker 4: and then he deletes the posts from his page, but

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Speaker 4: he still follows her.

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Speaker 3: You know, I get all of my information, so Ashley

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Speaker 3: mentioned that the texted her. I get all of my

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Speaker 3: information from you. I love it. So I just want

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Speaker 3: to tell everybody out there, you know, as we continue

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Speaker 3: this conversation, if you want to stay up to date

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Speaker 3: with reality television, right, I mean in general Bachelor and

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Speaker 3: Bachelor I kind of get focused on while the seasons

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Speaker 3: are airing. But then you also, you do have a

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Speaker 3: lot of good breaking news, and you do a great

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Speaker 3: verified and validated. Yet I think it's a really hard

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Speaker 3: thing to do because well, bacheloration does weird stuff all

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Speaker 3: the time. Okay, So two thoughts on what what you

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Speaker 3: were saying. If you would have given me like odds

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Speaker 3: on which couple I put money on working after this,

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Speaker 3: quite honestly, I don't know if any of them, I

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Speaker 3: don't know if there's only zero of them, zero of them.

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Speaker 3: But if you would have told me that Kat and

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Speaker 3: John Henry had the best shot, that would have been

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Speaker 3: the wildest thing I've ever heard that. I mean, at

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Speaker 3: least even and Kylie weren't shown on the show, which

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Speaker 3: typically on Bachelor in Paradise means that they're doing our right. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, let's kind of transition here because we've talked

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Speaker 3: about what's happened. They've broke up within a day of

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Speaker 3: this announcement going on, there's infidelities. Is there anything else

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Speaker 3: out there that we know on what happened here? Like

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Speaker 3: how did she find out? When did she find out?

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Speaker 3: Did she find out before the show was over? Maybe

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Speaker 3: the show said, hey, don't say anything about it yet.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, she said, twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why it's a shocking thing. Twenty four hours.

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Speaker 2: Why what I'm assuming is that girls once she hard

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Speaker 2: launched the Instagram and said like a confirm that they

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Speaker 2: were still together despite what they said at the end

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Speaker 2: seem like one I think the show ABC is going

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Speaker 2: to be a little bit positive about where the couples are,

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Speaker 2: especially after you watched that final episode. And I also

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Speaker 2: think that like it maybe even be a little bit

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Speaker 2: outdated the information on there. So once they hard launched

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Speaker 2: that they were in fact still together, you think that

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Speaker 2: certain girls flooded her Instagram box saying that like we

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Speaker 2: saw him cheating on you, or like I was the

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Speaker 2: one he cheated on you with.

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Speaker 4: That's the only possibility that she got a bunch of

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Speaker 4: dms with photoproof. I mean for her to post that

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Speaker 4: so quickly, like she believed it immediately, and how hard

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Speaker 4: is it to cheat when you're on a show, so

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Speaker 4: you have to be low key anyway. He lives in

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Speaker 4: like he couldn't get away with it for this long.

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Speaker 4: They're not allowed to post together anyway, and I think

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Speaker 4: she was like, all right, I'm your girl, post me

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Speaker 4: the post to begin with, kind of like how he

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Speaker 4: didn't want to get engaged and she did, and that

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Speaker 4: he was exposed within twenty four hours, so she had

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Speaker 2: It's shocking that throughout the entire season. He never posted

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Speaker 2: one promo shot of the two of them together. That

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Speaker 2: says a lot in hindsight.

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Speaker 5: It says everything.

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Speaker 3: It's an really interesting dynamic because you know, we can

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Speaker 3: go in here and I don't know even personally, and

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Speaker 3: I don't know Kylie at all. In fact, I didn't

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Speaker 3: even know who she was, and she came on the season.

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Speaker 3: At least I knew him because he was, you know,

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Speaker 3: late into the season, he was on Rachel Rachel's season,

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Speaker 3: thank you. But like there's some there's just bad behavior

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Speaker 3: obviously happening, because now he's owned up to it, Like

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Speaker 3: this isn't an assumption or a guest that you know

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Speaker 3: he was cheating. No, he's owned up to it. She

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Speaker 3: was very clear. I read her post. I was like

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Speaker 3: that she went at him like she's pissed, she's mad,

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Speaker 3: she's her Bachelor Data And I want to hear your

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Speaker 3: two thoughts on this, because I don't understand the world

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Speaker 3: very much anymore, especially people's reactions to stuff. Bachelor Data

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Speaker 3: came out yesterday and said that on her post, she

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Speaker 3: had a lot of comments that were kind of hating

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Speaker 3: on Kylie, being very mean to Kylie in this process.

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Speaker 3: Once Bachelor Data posted about the infidelities, why like, can

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Speaker 3: you guys explain to me why Kylie was now the

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Speaker 3: one getting hated on for it. Well, I'll say this.

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Speaker 2: On my episode with Jill on Friday, I said that

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Speaker 2: that episode made me like just kind of like, ough, Kylie,

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Speaker 2: what the hell I look with the whole engagement Like literally,

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Speaker 2: it seemed like all she cared about was engagement. But

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Speaker 2: now my whole perspective is well sort of change what

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Speaker 2: I think. She was too obsessed with the thought of it,

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Speaker 2: but now that I see that she has been cheated on,

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Speaker 2: I'm just like think, God, you didn't get engaged. Could

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Speaker 2: you imagine having wasted that moment on a man like this?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 4: I never understood why people get engaged on the show.

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Speaker 4: I still can't fathom it after only being together for

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Speaker 4: that many weeks. Like I literally do not think I

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Speaker 2: There's just not enough pressure to get engaged on Paradise.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you can so easily leave Paradise not engaged

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Speaker 2: and last, So That's why I'm like you, I understand

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Speaker 2: the pressure that comes from the main show, and you're

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Speaker 2: gonna get a lot of pressure from Bachelor Paradise too,

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Speaker 3: Not Okay, can we go back to my question. We've

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Speaker 3: you know, some people found her annoying. Yeah, so people

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Speaker 3: are like, I don't like Kylie anyways, like you know whatever. Still,

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Speaker 3: that's why I get confused. But that's where I get

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Speaker 3: confused with people's response to things like this, And I

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Speaker 3: need Zachary now to tell me, like, have you seen

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Speaker 3: these comments that are mean? Why are people being mean

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Speaker 3: to Kylie? Is there a second story here that I'm missing?

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Speaker 6: See?

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Speaker 5: It feels like a lot of people are now starting

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Speaker 4: I think people were mean to her during the season

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Speaker 4: a little bit because it felt like she was pushy

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Speaker 4: with Avan and like wanted more than she was getting.

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Speaker 4: And then the whole Blake thing at the end was

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Speaker 4: really strange. So maybe there were some red flags that

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Speaker 4: she ignored. So that's why people are possibly coming for her,

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Speaker 4: But I think you have to like rally for Kylie

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Speaker 4: because she was the one that was cheated on, Like

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Speaker 4: she posted that picture with him so excited to finally

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Speaker 4: show it off. Like you guys know how exciting it

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Speaker 4: is after the show to finally post your relationship. So

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Speaker 4: you can only imagine how like embarrassed and devastated she

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Speaker 4: feels to have to take that down within twenty four

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Speaker 4: hours after thinking that for three five months that she

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Speaker 4: was going to post with this man and this was

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Speaker 3: I would be going scorched earth if I was hurt,

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Speaker 3: Like I would be just absolutely throwing darts right now,

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Speaker 3: And she kind of did. I mean, her post was

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Speaker 3: as direct of a breakup post as I've ever seen,

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Speaker 3: Like she was like, no, screw that. Twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 3: he's cheated on me. Please respect my time in privacy

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Speaker 4: I feel like so many guys would lie about it

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Speaker 3: Of course they we did not hear back.

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Speaker 5: Actually like didn't believe it at first.

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Speaker 2: So do you immediately reach out to people and see

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Speaker 3: No story like.

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Speaker 5: That, No, not anymore.

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Speaker 4: No, I just want to raport on what is out there,

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Speaker 3: Well how about this. Can I make a deal with

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Speaker 3: you from here on out? When we have breaking news,

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Speaker 3: can you just come on and talk with us about it?

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Speaker 3: Because so often Ashley myself are sitting here and Ashley know,

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Speaker 3: these things. It's great to have your insight, and it's

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Speaker 3: I'd like that. I love a third perspective.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm so down to come back.

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Speaker 4: You guys know I've been watching the show for Blake

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 2: It's a really unfortunate We're like, we're like, I'm like rabid,

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Speaker 3: But it's like, really sad. It is very unfortunate, that's

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Speaker 3: we're here to be like that was a wild change

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Speaker 5: I mean probably not.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it didn't seem like he really, but then he

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like he's not there yet or this is

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's very weird. Anyways, zachar Reality go

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Speaker 3: follow him. Great, just zach Zachary, you do a terrific job,

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Speaker 3: and I want to make sure people know that this

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Speaker 3: is the breaking news podcast Almost Famous. Hey, we'll see

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Speaker 3: you soon. Until next time, I've been Ben, I've.

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Speaker 5: Been Ashley, and I've been Zachary.

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