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Speaker 1: welcome in to the Tuesday Morning Podcast. The great soon

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Speaker 1: to be Hall of Famer Draymond Green will be joining us.

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Speaker 1: My first ever interview with Draymond Green, his first ever

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Speaker 1: big day for both of us. I want to talk

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Speaker 1: about a former teammate of Draymond Green, Kevin Durant. And

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it isn't lost on any of you that

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Speaker 1: these finals are Kevin Durant's former team that he bailed

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Speaker 1: tale of something that men seek and often to their peril,

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Speaker 1: and that is power. Bill Belichick had so much power

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Speaker 1: what followed was four or five straight egregiously bad drafts.

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Speaker 1: Belichick acknowledged that he was going to give more sets

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Speaker 1: This year, again, Belichick took it over and the Patriots

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Speaker 1: Robert Kraft acknowledged this not long ago, saying, hey, we

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Speaker 1: up for the previous four drafts. This happens in movies.

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Speaker 1: Whether it's Belichick drafting, Martin Scorsese moviemaking, Garth Brooks creating

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Speaker 1: And when Cabin Looney was coming out of high school,

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Speaker 1: things to feel like Steph Curry. But as you do know,

425
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Speaker 1: we live in a social media day and age where

426
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: you see everything, you hear everything, and it's twenty four seven,

427
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: you open your phone up, you see it. So now

428
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Speaker 1: with Steph, does he feel like he needs to win

429
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: the Finals MVP? It's not something he's ever said, but

430
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Speaker 1: I would go out on the limits say I one

431
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Speaker 1: hundred percent think he does not that he feels like

432
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Speaker 1: that from the inside, but I feel like he's been

433
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Speaker 1: made to feel that way. Oh man, he doesn't have this,

434
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: he doesn't have that. This person not validating him, that

435
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: person not validated. And ultimately it doesn't bring out the

436
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: worst of him because he doesn't hijack games, go start

437
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: trying to do that, and so it doesn't bring out

438
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: the worst. But he's a competitor. He's an extreme competitor.

439
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: You don't become that great if you're not. And so

440
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: I think the competitor in him may feel like, yes,

441
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 1: I definitely need to do that because X Y and

442
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 1: Z all said that and I want to prove them wrong.

443
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 1: Not necessarily that I need this Finals MVP to validate

444
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: myself to you know who you know who he knows

445
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,719
Speaker 1: who he is. And so I think the pressure of

446
00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 1: the media, all the noise around will one hundred percent

447
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: make you feel that way if you have a competitive

448
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,239
Speaker 1: spirit in you, which I know heat up. Yeah, you know,

449
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: um as I watched the Maverick series and I know

450
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 1: that's in the rear view mirror. But much like the Celtics,

451
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: you know, they conference final experience, which you have a

452
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: ton of and staff and Clay and cur the Celtics

453
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 1: have a little. The Mavericks didn't have any when you

454
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Speaker 1: were And I had said before the series, I said,

455
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 1: Golden State is gonna win this, and they're gonna win

456
00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: it because they're gonna make Luca less efficient. They're gonna

457
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 1: throw Andrew at him, and they're gonna throw a dre

458
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,359
Speaker 1: maybe Kuminga. And I said, you're not gonna shoot forty

459
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Speaker 1: eight percent. He's gonna shoot like forty two percent, and

460
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: that'll just be enough. And also because you're older players.

461
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 1: You guys can do four different defensive alignments on four

462
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: trips down the floor. A lot of teams can't do that.

463
00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: So you guys are it's like a Belichick defense. You

464
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 1: guys are throwing shit at guys every time down the court.

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Speaker 1: And that's just a lot as the game's pace is

466
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: very fast. But did you feel at any point, all

467
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 1: you veterans around Luca, did you sense the frustration the

468
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: body language like the kid, the kid is learning American

469
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: conference finals level, sort of like as I watched it,

470
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Speaker 1: I watched this body language and I was like, Oh,

471
00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 1: this is conference finals basketball, this is less in time,

472
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Speaker 1: this is That's what it felt like to me as

473
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Speaker 1: a consumer. Absolutely. Now what I will say is this,

474
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: I'll never forget this because I remember how upset people

475
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,160
Speaker 1: got when he said it. But I remember when Luca

476
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 1: first came into the league and he made a statement

477
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: where he said it was easier, it's easier to score

478
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 1: in the NBA than it was for him in Europe.

479
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: I remember he made that statement. He's proven actually that

480
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: that is true with how he's played since he made

481
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Speaker 1: that statement. But I also remember how upset everyone got

482
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: when he made that statement. Like, who does this guy

483
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: think he is and blah blah blah, and this is

484
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 1: the NBA. And when he said it, I immediately was like,

485
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: that makes sense. I know what you mean. I mean,

486
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Speaker 1: if you I've had the opportunity in the honor of

487
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: competing in two Olympics and if you ever played FEBA basketball.

488
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 1: I mean, those guys are still playing Rudy Gobert in

489
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: the center, his size, that moves like him together and

490
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: they just can sit in the paint and you can't

491
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: get there, you can't into the rim. They got two

492
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: big logs just standing there. That is the that's that's

493
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: the feeble way of basketball. We saw some of that

494
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: this summer when we when we obviously we went on

495
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 1: to win the gold medal. I said all of that

496
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Speaker 1: to say, for me personally, I have to rebody language,

497
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: like that's one of my roles that that's how I

498
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: can feed off of, um, you know, a guy's frustration,

499
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: or that's how I can get into someone's head or

500
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, whatever I need to do on my end

501
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: to help my team. I have to understand and pay

502
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: attention to body language because I have to be able

503
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: to go back to Andrew Wiggins say, Wiggs, you know

504
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: there was one game, I think it was Game two,

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00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 1: and Wiggs we had a couple of possessions and Wigs

506
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Speaker 1: that you know, they were up in game two and

507
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: and then we made that run there in the second quarter,

508
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: and he had a couple turnovers in the row, and

509
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: he came down and drove and Wiggs was bumping him,

510
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: pumping him, and Wiggs had his arms up, and then

511
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: Luca faded back and he was looking for the past.

512
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 1: There's no pass there. He turned back to shoot it,

513
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and Wiggs reached down and followed him, and I told Wiggs,

514
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: I said, he had two turnovers in the row, a

515
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 1: misshot before that misshot, then two turnovers in the row,

516
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 1: and now this possession. You were about to break him

517
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: if he missed that shot or turn that ball over,

518
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: you were about to break him. You just bailed him

519
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 1: out with that file. Now he's about to go get

520
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 1: two free throws. You have to break that rhythm up

521
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: again because those two free throws are going to help

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00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: him find this rhythm. And do you totally break a

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Speaker 1: player like Luca Donches. No, you never break a guy

524
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Speaker 1: like that, but you could one hundred percent since the frustration. Now, Harris,

525
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Speaker 1: who you break. If you can send my break him,

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Speaker 1: If you can send my break him, you break all

527
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: the other guys because they don't know where to turn,

528
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: if they can't turn and look at him and see

529
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 1: him with his provado, him with his confidence coming down,

530
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 1: knowing these guys can't stop me. But I don't even

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00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: want the shot right now. I want a shot for

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: jayleb Brunson. So let me get a shot for Jay

533
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: leb Brunson. That's who all those guys look too, for

534
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: their confidence and so not necessarily that you're going to

535
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: break him and take him out of the game. You're

536
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 1: never gonna do that. But if you can shake him

537
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 1: a little bit, you really shake the rest of the guys.

538
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 1: And so we definitely saw the frustration, and obviously against him,

539
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: we knew you're not going to lock him down. There's

540
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: a lot like James Harden. We knew, hey, man, this

541
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Speaker 1: guy may come out, he may have a great first quarter,

542
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: he may come out, he may have a great second quarter.

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00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 1: But over the course of forty eight minutes, if we

544
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: can just keep throwing bodies at him and wear him

545
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: down by the time we get to the fourth quarter,

546
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 1: those legs are going to be gone. And what we

547
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: ended up seeing is, over the case of forty eight minutes,

548
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: if you just continue to bodies at him, defend without following,

549
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: trying not to give up easy things. Then a couple

550
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: of times in that series he got to that third

551
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 1: quarter and he was a little gas And that's kind

552
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: of what you want to do against a guy like

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00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 1: that over the course of forty eight minutes. You want

554
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: to wear him down. And I think we were able

555
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: to do a good job with that, in large part

556
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: due to Andrew's constant ball pressure, picking him up ninety

557
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: four feet away from the basket each time he brought

558
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 1: the ball up, and you can really, really really sense

559
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 1: the frustration throughout the series. Everybody's got influences quarterbacks, talk

560
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: show hosts. I've never heard you mention this, and I apologize.

561
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: If you have your style of play and where you

562
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 1: grew up, who is your primary influence my style of

563
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: playing where I grew up. My primary influence for me

564
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: was my uncle, my uncle Benny. He taught me the

565
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: game of basketball, and he did it in a way.

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Speaker 1: It's funny because a couple of years ago we were

567
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 1: all sitting together my family, and he said, man, I

568
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: really feel good about the things that I taught y'all.

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Speaker 1: He said. The one thing I never taught y'all is

570
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: one on one scoring. He said, I never taught y'all that.

571
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: But everything else I know for certain I taught y'all,

572
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: But I never taught y'all one on one scoring. He said.

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Speaker 1: If there's one regret I have when I look back,

574
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: is that I should have taught a little bit more

575
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Speaker 1: of that. Not that I should have taught less of

576
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: anything else, but I should have taught y'all a little

577
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: bit more of just one on one scoring and attacking.

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00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,120
Speaker 1: I said all of that to say, that is the

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Speaker 1: person who taught me basketball. That's the person who taught

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00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 1: me helps out of defense. That is the person who

581
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: taught me defensive principles, standing between your man and the ball,

582
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: and like all the cliche things that you're taught on

583
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: the defensive end that everyone moves on and in the

584
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:55,000
Speaker 1: course of their careers and then tend to ignore those

585
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: same principles that he taught me, they are the same

586
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 1: principles that are used today. Now, you know, in elementary school,

587
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 1: they maybe you don't let someone drive baseline and you

588
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: you let make them drive middle right. And then in

589
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: the NBA it's no middle clothes out like yeah, you

590
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: get little tweaks here and there. But the fundamentals of defense.

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00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: My uncle taught me that the fundamental of reading an

592
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: offensive play and reading how a defense is guarding you,

593
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: and understanding the tendencies of the guys you're playing with

594
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: and where to get them the ball, and how to

595
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: get them the ball and put them in position. My

596
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: uncle taught me a lot of that. Now. I was

597
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: then blessed to have great coaches, Coach Dawkins, coach Speedy

598
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: Um obviously coaches though along along my path. But my

599
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: uncle is the person who laid the foundation for me,

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00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: who taught me how to play good basketball. It was

601
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 1: never just roll the balls out of Hey, guys, y'all

602
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: go play, you know, and hey, you know all rights

603
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 1: practice town, you roll let's pick up like no. We

604
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: for two the first two weeks of the season, we

605
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: wouldn't touch a basketball. And so that's who laid the

606
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: foundation for me and the player that I've become. I

607
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: don't want to create bulletin board material. Five minutes left,

608
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,920
Speaker 1: so you haven't jumped into the game plan on the Celtics,

609
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 1: but you've played them before. It to a very good

610
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: defensive team. Every player that starts for them got to

611
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,440
Speaker 1: vote for all defense. You guys were third, they were first.

612
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: I think you guys are about as versatile as Boston,

613
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: maybe more so, with much more experience. If I said

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00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,799
Speaker 1: to you, give me one memory this year of the

615
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: earlier games against the Celtics. What if you're head on

616
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 1: the pillow going to bed, you're thinking about the Celtics,

617
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 1: what comes to mind. What comes to mind for me

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00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: is in that second game that we played, it was

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Speaker 1: I remembered the game like it was just I think

620
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: it was my second game back from my back injury.

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Speaker 1: And what jumps out at me is the way Robert

622
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: Williams erasist mistakes. You know. So they're this great defensive

623
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: team one hundred percent, if anyone agrees as me. I

624
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: love defense. I love to watch it, and so I

625
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: really enjoy watching their team because they're they're a damn

626
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 1: good defensive team. But I think what people don't realize

627
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: is is how many mistakes that Robert Williams covers up

628
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: for and how many mistakes that Marcus Smart covers up

629
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: for now. Robert Williams covers up the mistakes at the rim.

630
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:37,399
Speaker 1: He's eracing shots left and right. Jordan Poole had had

631
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: one where he cut down the lane, didn't even know

632
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: he was open, and I dropped it down the lane.

633
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: By the time he turned the lane it up. Robert

634
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: Williams came from the corner. No, he came from the

635
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: opposite wing and blocked the shot. Was nowhere in the play.

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00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:54,760
Speaker 1: He had a couple more plays like that in that game.

637
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Speaker 1: And so Marcus Smart covers up mistakes beneath the room.

638
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: You know, he covers up. He MUCKs up a lot

639
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: of stuff. He gets gritty and gets into the ball

640
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: and throw your time and on your ball screens off.

641
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: And then they and you know most defenses has one

642
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 1: guy that covers up mistakes. They uniquely have two, and

643
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,280
Speaker 1: they play two totally different positions. You have one covering

644
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: up out on the floor of mistakes and then you

645
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,520
Speaker 1: have one covering mistakes at the rim. And I think

646
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: that is what really makes their defense special. And then

647
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: you have al Horford who just know everywhere to be.

648
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: You know what you're trying to Colin al Horford knows

649
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 1: what you're trying to do. He knows what I'm trying

650
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: to do. And so when you add those ingredients along

651
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: with Jason's length, along with Jayla's lane and those other

652
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,840
Speaker 1: ingredients around that, you have yourself and absolutely incredible defense.

653
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 1: So that's the one thing that truly jumps out at

654
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: me is how they have multiple guys that can cover

655
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,760
Speaker 1: mistakes for other guys and that makes for a great defense. Okay,

656
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: you have one hundred and fifty technical foul and most

657
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: of them I think have been by design. Uh some

658
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: times to motivate your team. Um, by the way, I

659
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: covered Rashid Wallace, so you ain't close to that. He

660
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: got double now that covered him. I covered him in Portland.

661
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 1: He had a he had a forty game stretch where

662
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: I think he had thirty. Okay, so there's five active

663
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: players that have more than you. I'm just gonna give

664
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Speaker 1: you DeMarcus Cousins because I know you would have guessed

665
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: that one. Absolutely. There's four guys left guess one. Four? Yeah, yes, Um,

666
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: you know who's who's He's very sneaky win it. I

667
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,759
Speaker 1: don't think he has more, but I would love to

668
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: nois count And that's Paul George. He's not here, but

669
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: he's sneaky. Is quite a bit of text. Three to one.

670
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,800
Speaker 1: I would not guessed this. Carmelo Anthony has one ninety three.

671
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: I could definitely see Melo getting tax all for sure.

672
00:39:09,840 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I missed out on mel Melo

673
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: be talking about. I mean, obviously Melo has gotten you know,

674
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,879
Speaker 1: he's in Europe nineteen now. He's toned it down a bit.

675
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: But Mellow be talking crazy the roughferees like, I would

676
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,800
Speaker 1: never forget this game. We were playing in the garden,

677
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: and if I'm not mistaken, it actually I think it's

678
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: the same game where Steph shimmy passed me and I

679
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: was standing there like this, but after that was the

680
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,840
Speaker 1: game he had fifty foreign the garden. If I'm not mistaken,

681
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,840
Speaker 1: and I'm standing there like this after the three and

682
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: he shimmy passed me, I think it was the same

683
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: as that game. But Mellow, I would never forget this.

684
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: He got the ball. I was guarding him. He got

685
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: the ball, and he like mid posts, caught it, put

686
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: his head down, boom into my chest, try to lay

687
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: it up, and you know I held my ground and

688
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: he missed it. And he turned to the rough called

689
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: the motherfucking file. I'm like, WHOA. So now we come

690
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 1: back down. Mellow, being who Mellow is, he goes to

691
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: the same exact spot, gets the ball, this is the

692
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 1: very next play, and does the same exact move, same

693
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:26,759
Speaker 1: exact move, creates the same exact contact boom, and he

694
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: gets the file. He's like, yeah, motherfucker got damn. And

695
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: then he walked. He walks, just walks onto the free

696
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,400
Speaker 1: throw line. Now he didn't get attected in that instance,

697
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: but that's kind of a microcosm of who Mellow is

698
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 1: and how he went about or goes about his business

699
00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: on the court. And then you add in that all

700
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,799
Speaker 1: it takes us for a guy to say one word

701
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: to Mellow and he not stopping. So then you added

702
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: adding that side of things where he talking to guys

703
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: and going that guy and get texts on that side.

704
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: So I can't I can't necessarily say that I'm shocked

705
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: by Mellow having one ninety three because I've I've seen

706
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: Melo say some crazy shit on the court, so I'm

707
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 1: not shocked by that one. But I'm actually pretty upset

708
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 1: that I didn't guess it's five o'clock. That's your limit.

709
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 1: We gotta go thirty. We do have to go, but

710
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: before we go, because I bought it, I bought an

711
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: extra couple of minutes. Um, because I noticed I've been

712
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: looking forward to this since I since I signed with

713
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: the volume for the Draymond Green Show. The one thing

714
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: I asked them as I said, am I gonna be on?

715
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: Am I gonna be able to go on college podcast?

716
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: Because I've always wanted So I've watched it for years.

717
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: I've watched you for years, and so I'm like, I've

718
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,720
Speaker 1: always wanted to come on here. So we're not about

719
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 1: to rush out of this one. Um. I have a

720
00:41:53,520 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 1: question for you. About a year ago, maybe two two

721
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 1: years ago, you said, Steph Curry, if he wants to

722
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 1: see another NBA finals ever play in the NBA Finals again,

723
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: he has to leave Golden State to do that. Here's

724
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:22,919
Speaker 1: my question. What was it for you that made you think,

725
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,800
Speaker 1: at any point, if plays healthy, I'm healthy and STEP's

726
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: healthy all at the same time, that we couldn't do

727
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 1: it again just like we did it before. Because I

728
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: just want to know this whole notion is like what's

729
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: Kevin left the whole world? Wrote us off like that

730
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: is the end, as if we didn't do it before.

731
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: So I just want to know the thinking behind that

732
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 1: helped me understand that college all right, So this is

733
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: a big brain. There's a lot of stuff moving in there.

734
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: So in a cap league, I think my takeaway and

735
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: I do three hours a day. So I don't know

736
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: where I was then, but my sense was Steph had

737
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: some injuries, Clay was hurt again, Draymond. It's it's easier

738
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: to remain a good offensive player in the league than

739
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: a great defensive player because defense is much harder. There's

740
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna be capish us. You're paying paying all of them.

741
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: A couple of the draft picks were eh. This was

742
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: like before we knew Jordan Poole's going to work and

743
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 1: my takeaways injuries really expensive, I don't think it's going

744
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: to work, and the West is getting better. Remember at

745
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: that time, I think Paul had come in, Kawhi had

746
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,359
Speaker 1: come in, Lebron had come in a d and I'm

747
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: thinking two things in sports that are bad, expensive and old,

748
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: and so I thought, yes, time to bail. Now. Of

749
00:43:43,800 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: course history has proved that I was an idiot, but

750
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: in that moment, I thought I was Einstein. I thought

751
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 1: I was really onto something. But man, you talked three

752
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:56,879
Speaker 1: hours a day. You know what it's like. It that's

753
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: my version of a four turnover game. I just didn't

754
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: have respect. I could respect that, I could respect you know, honestly,

755
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: honestly though, Colin is I went number one. Three hours

756
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: a day is insane. I was speaking to someone like,

757
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: what you want to do when you're done. I'm like, yeah,

758
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: I want to do some of this and they're like, yo,

759
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, Colin, those guys they do three hours, and

760
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,399
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not sure I can quite do three

761
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 1: hours a day. That's absolutely incredible with you. It's Stephen

762
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: ays like, I just don't understand how y'all can focus

763
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: on sports that long be as precise and poling as

764
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: you guys are. So kudos. I take my hat off

765
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 1: to y'all for that. It's absolutely incredible. But where I

766
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:44,560
Speaker 1: will cut you a little slacker is here most people

767
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: thought we were older than we are, Like, I think

768
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: we start winning at such a young age, like I

769
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 1: won my first championship, our first championship playing Our were

770
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:58,400
Speaker 1: twenty five and so, and then we go to five

771
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: straight finals. So from twenty to thirty we're in the

772
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 1: NBA finals. Thirty isn't old. But when you see guys

773
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,799
Speaker 1: for five years straight at the highest level, it's going

774
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 1: to give you this this mindset and these thoughts of

775
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 1: that we are older than we really are, then we

776
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 1: truly are. And I think that's what happened with a

777
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's like, oh, they're old. There is

778
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: and it's like most guys in the league are somewhere

779
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: around our age. You know, you obviously have a bunch

780
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: of young guys, but like they say, from what twenty

781
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,480
Speaker 1: eight to thirty three is your pride, and it's like, oh, man,

782
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: those guys are done because they're old. And so I

783
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 1: get it because I actually had that problem in college

784
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: where my first two years I went to the Final four,

785
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: and then the next two years I'm playing college basketball

786
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: and everybody like, man, you still in college and I'm like, yeah, dude,

787
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: I'm only I'm only a junior. Like I said, come

788
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: more years left. And so I do think some of

789
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: that was definitely a product of so much winning in

790
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:11,360
Speaker 1: a short amount of time. But on the flip side

791
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,640
Speaker 1: of that, and I'll be one hundred percent honest with you.

792
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:18,240
Speaker 1: I haven't told anyone this. As much as I believe

793
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,799
Speaker 1: we would be good again, I wasn't. I can't say

794
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,040
Speaker 1: that I was so certain that with the way our

795
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 1: roster had turned over, that we would win a championship

796
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,240
Speaker 1: again because, like you said, we had myself, we had stuff,

797
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: we had Clay, but the roster turn Like if you

798
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: look at some of those teams, if you look at

799
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: some of those lineups that I was out there with

800
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: in the year we won fifteen games, I'd be a

801
00:46:43,239 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: fool and a liar and full of ship, which I

802
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: try to part myself on not being if I told

803
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: you in that moment, I'm still like, yeah, we're going

804
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: to compete for championships, like we can't. I mean some

805
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: of those lineups, I was the point guard and Eric

806
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: Pascal was two, and the Mark Spelman was the three,

807
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 1: and Willie callings Down was the four, Kavan Looni was

808
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: the five. Like we saw some of those things, and

809
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 1: so I get it. I definitely understand it, but it

810
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: still pisces me off that y'all will just count us out,

811
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: like like we haven't done this before. He's crazy. Well,

812
00:47:18,680 --> 00:47:22,359
Speaker 1: you know, the other thing was what you guys, do

813
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 1: you were a second rounder? H Stephen Clay were probably

814
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 1: under drafted. Jordan Pool at one point went to the

815
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: G League Kominga. You know, Steve's not gonna play rookies

816
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. Kominga's twitchy as hell. So what you

817
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 1: guys do is the opposite of what the Lakers do.

818
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:44,760
Speaker 1: You draft and develop in your patient. Like, so guys,

819
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: and you're if you watch you or just your team,

820
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: you'll draft guys, You'll develop them, and they can disappear

821
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 1: for a while, like like you're not going to play

822
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 1: in the playoffs, and so as a media guy, I'm like, like,

823
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 1: cominga to me, I thought he'd play more against and

824
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you're not gonna play much. So unless

825
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: you're a die hard, like if you live in the

826
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 1: Bay Area and you're literally watching every second of every

827
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: Warrior's game, it's different. You use different players. I mean,

828
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: Steph comes back and Jordan Pool starts and steps on

829
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,239
Speaker 1: the bench, and I'm thinking, well, he's not gonna he's

830
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 1: not gonna be great. Hell, he can't start. But your

831
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,240
Speaker 1: culture is different. You guys do what big market teams

832
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:25,799
Speaker 1: mostly don't. You draft, you develop your patient and it's like,

833
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: that's not the way the Yankees work, that's not the

834
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 1: way the Dodgers work, that's not the way the cowboys,

835
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: like big brands usually win. But like Wiggins comes in,

836
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, Oh shit, he's pretty good. Then Steph

837
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: gets hurt, he's not great in the second half, and

838
00:48:41,160 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: you're like, I'm not sure if he's ready. And then

839
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I watch him against the MAVs

840
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: and I'm like, he's as valuable as anybody in the series. So,

841
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: and you guys have so much depth. It's really to

842
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: me is a consumer of it. You have so much depth.

843
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: Kerr is doing so many different things. It's hard to

844
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 1: predict you guys. I mean, I think you would admit this.

845
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: There are nights against Memphis you're like, wow, that's bad.

846
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: There are halves against Dallas, Wow, and then the next

847
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: quarter you're brilliant. So you guys are a lot of

848
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: variables and a lot of moving parts, and you experiment.

849
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: So you're not simple. You're a complex culture. That's how

850
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: I view it. Absolutely, no, I agree one Honestly, I

851
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: have to give credit where credit is due. A large

852
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: fire guy is coach Kerr and the way he coaches,

853
00:49:29,480 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: in which he never lets a guy rock on the bench.

854
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:34,919
Speaker 1: You know, you would go around certain teams and you're like, man,

855
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: this guy has collected twenty DMPs in a row. You

856
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: would never in your life, in the history of Steve

857
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:48,200
Speaker 1: Kerr coaching, find anyone unless it's a playoff game, and playoffs,

858
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:54,080
Speaker 1: you would never find anyone under Steve's Kerr's tutelitch or

859
00:49:54,120 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: if you will, or under his tree, and I mean

860
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 1: tree as far as as players that's going to collect

861
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: twenty DMPs in a row. It's not how he coaches. Now,

862
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 1: you may collect four in a row and then he's like, hey,

863
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put you into the second quarter because he

864
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 1: doesn't believe and a guy just sitting and riding on

865
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: the bench because in Steve, the way Steve coaches and

866
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: he preaches it and he lives by it, is at

867
00:50:21,040 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: some point we're going to need each one of you

868
00:50:23,080 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: guys to win a game. And I can't expect you

869
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: to be able to help us win a game if

870
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: you sat for twenty games straight and then all of

871
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 1: a sudden something happened and I come to you. I

872
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,439
Speaker 1: think in large a large part of that is due

873
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,279
Speaker 1: to his career and maybe what he didn't like as

874
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: a player because he was sometimes in that position. And

875
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: so I have to give credit to him. And then

876
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: I also have to give credit to Bob Myers and

877
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:50,240
Speaker 1: then the ownership group. And why I'm giving them credit

878
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: is when you say taking young talent and being willing

879
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 1: to wait and to defend, Like, yes, obviously, in order

880
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,839
Speaker 1: to in order to be willing to wait, you have

881
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: to have talents like Steph Curry, like Klay Thompson, like

882
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: myself that can still be getting done. Because one thing

883
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: I can ensure you is Joe Lacob is not okay

884
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 1: to losing. I mean, if you ever see Joe Lacob

885
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,280
Speaker 1: on the sideline when we're losing the game by four points,

886
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 1: he said, this is ridiculous. It's what you gotta love

887
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: about Joe. Like he he he does not understand losing

888
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: to the to the smallest degree, and so for him,

889
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 1: he's never gonna settle for losing. Now, where the credit

890
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 1: comes in is being willing to hold on to younger

891
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: guys and not be so hell bent on we need

892
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,360
Speaker 1: to We need to get all these young guys in

893
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: here and bring in experience, experienced role players, because if

894
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm being honest with you, we all would have voted

895
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: to bring in experience because like I and in the

896
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: beginning of this season, and I spoke about it before

897
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: Bob and I was pissed at me. Steve was pissed

898
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: at me because I said in my press conference, I said,

899
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 1: we've never seen the mix of young guys and older

900
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: guys work. We've never seen it work like we've always

901
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: seen that, like, oh man, this team is card in

902
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: between whether they should go with experience or whether they

903
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: should go young. And it's a total disaster. And I

904
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:23,359
Speaker 1: said in my press comperence, I said, we've never seen

905
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:27,399
Speaker 1: it work. But for us, And when I say us,

906
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 1: I mean myself and play and stuff. Andre For us,

907
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: that is the challenge, and you want as a competitor,

908
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: you want to take on that challenge and you want

909
00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: to see it work. But if we could all just

910
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: had a vote and said, the way we know for

911
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,080
Speaker 1: serving it works is by bringing in experience around us,

912
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: guys that can understand this cut and understand that and

913
00:52:49,800 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: think on the fly and they understand the NBA game.

914
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: Now are our front office totally disagree? They wanted to

915
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 1: stick with the younger guys and us and it's worked,

916
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 1: and so I have to give them a lot of

917
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:07,120
Speaker 1: credit for their belief in it and them understanding and

918
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: ultimately knowing because they, you know, we have conversations about

919
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:15,080
Speaker 1: personnel like this isn't just a situation where they're like,

920
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: all right, these are the guys you have to play

921
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 1: with the here you go like, no, they there's a

922
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: respect level there that they have an appreciation that they

923
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,600
Speaker 1: have for us and we have for them, and we

924
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 1: have those conversations and if it was up to us,

925
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,000
Speaker 1: of course, we would all loved to have a ton

926
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,839
Speaker 1: of experience. They thought totally different. Ultimately we went with

927
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: that tide of things and they were one hundred percent right.

928
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: So you have to give them credit for being willing

929
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 1: to go out on that limb with the second highest

930
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 1: payroll in the NBA and saying, no, we think we

931
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: can get it done this way and that's the route

932
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: we're going to go. And it's been beautiful and helping

933
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: these young guys grow and watching them grow, it's brought

934
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 1: me a different joy to this year because it's not

935
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: just about I mean, on those final runs, I was

936
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 1: the young Clay was the young guy, Steph was the

937
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: young guy. We had David west Side side Barbosa and

938
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: the beat goes on. And so now being in a

939
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,280
Speaker 1: position to help do it's brought me a ton of joy.

940
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,719
Speaker 1: And I'm extremely happy that they decided to go the

941
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: route that they did, because if they did and it

942
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: was this experience, then it's just more the same, right,

943
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,840
Speaker 1: Like it's more of what we already done and trying

944
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:25,879
Speaker 1: to do again. So I love the challenge and it's

945
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: been amazing for us. Well, you've been amazing for us.

946
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: What people don't realize that may listen to this is

947
00:54:33,560 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: that Draymond, more than any professional athlete I've ever probably

948
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 1: work with at a podcast company or a television network

949
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 1: or radio network, has demanded at the volume that we're

950
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: we hard coach him that he doesn't want to hear

951
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: us say he's great. He's not interested. He's like, what

952
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,840
Speaker 1: am I bad at? I want to be better? And

953
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: it's incredibly rare, but I think it speaks volume. I

954
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: told my wife, she's a Michigan girl, and I told her,

955
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: I said, the beauty of Draymond the second round picks,

956
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: giving him a chip on his shoulder. It doesn't matter

957
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: how rich he is, doesn't matter how many rings that stuff.

958
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 1: That stuff doesn't leave you. I said, he is a

959
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 1: podcaster like he's a player. He gets up every morning,

960
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 1: coach me hard. I want to be better, and I

961
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,319
Speaker 1: canna tell you as a broadcaster like it's unbelievable. I've

962
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,359
Speaker 1: been doing this twenty five years. Man, you are one

963
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: of one. Got your back forever, and I just love

964
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: that you gave us. First of all, you gave us

965
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:33,879
Speaker 1: sixteen minutes more than you were supposed to. You got

966
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,600
Speaker 1: shit to do, so go do it all right. I

967
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:40,920
Speaker 1: appreciate you having me on, and from the bottom of

968
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: my heart, I just appreciate the entire company and logan

969
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: working with Jackson Is. It's been an honor. You know.

970
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 1: I did the podcasting before, and it was really early.

971
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,959
Speaker 1: I wasn't truly committed to it. I'm kind of doing

972
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: it at my pace, and like, all right, after four

973
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: weeks off, let's let's record an episode. And I told myself,

974
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: if I ever got back into it, I have to

975
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: go back into it with the mindset that I'm trying

976
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: to build something, with the mindset that it takes time

977
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:15,520
Speaker 1: and effort, and a commitment to it. And I remember

978
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 1: the first week we took off this year, like Jackson

979
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 1: had to really fight me on that, Like, no, Draymond,

980
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: I think we could take this week off because I

981
00:56:25,400 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 1: just didn't want to, Like I want to. I want

982
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:29,640
Speaker 1: to stay true to it and be great at it.

983
00:56:29,680 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: And so the coaching that you mentioned, I appreciate it

984
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: was I've learned so much this year in doing this

985
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 1: and how to how to keep it going and not

986
00:56:39,440 --> 00:56:42,440
Speaker 1: how the breaks in the action and just so many

987
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: different things and nuances that I've picked up. And it's

988
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 1: in large part due to the coaching, you know. And

989
00:56:48,320 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: so you know, I watched film on myself with these things,

990
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 1: and I take notes with the coaching and try to

991
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: incorporate that into my next segment. And so, you know,

992
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: for for you guys to be experts in this space

993
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 1: and have all the experience that you all have, I am,

994
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 1: I am. I appreciate you all for teaching me and

995
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: showing me how this podcast thing should be done. Because

996
00:57:11,640 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: in Mama High college, I thought it was just you

997
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:16,200
Speaker 1: gonna pick up a microphone and you go talk and

998
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,440
Speaker 1: it just flows, and it's so different. And so I

999
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,800
Speaker 1: appreciate the coaching and the belief in me because I think, um,

1000
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I think we're making this thing great man, and that's

1001
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: my goal in it. So I appreciate you. Well, I'm

1002
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: not supposed to root for players or teams, but it's

1003
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: as I as I've sat on my show now, every

1004
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: time I mentioned you, I say, Draymond Green hall of

1005
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,520
Speaker 1: Famer eventually, and the best sports podcast in America. I'm

1006
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:48,360
Speaker 1: very proud and keep kicking it. You're crushing for us,

1007
00:57:48,520 --> 00:58:08,360
Speaker 1: and good luck, buddy, Thank you. I appreciate it. The volume,

1008
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: make sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. I

1009
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: brought Draymond Green into the volume because one of the

1010
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 1: more entertaining voices in sports. Unique perspective understands behind the rope,

1011
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:25,960
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1012
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: Tracy McGrady. Make sure download The Draymond Green Show wherever

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