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Speaker 4: will tell you this before we get into any of
Speaker 4: the particulars coaching higher. I know y'all want to talk
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Speaker 4: Now the MIC's alive. We don't have to sit. You
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Speaker 5: And the fact that I said the paragraph happy text basics, I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, right, he got a lot. He gotta get off.
Speaker 4: But before we get started, what I always do, man,
Speaker 4: I check in when my brothers, I check in on
Speaker 4: your mentals, see how you doing, how you feeling? And
Speaker 4: so this is your first time. Man, I'm gonna start
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Speaker 3: Man? If we keeping it a buck, we are, It's been.
Speaker 3: It's been. It's been tough for me.
Speaker 5: It's been tough for me just mentally, just battling through
Speaker 5: the things that I got off the field, you know,
Speaker 5: letting go of the game that I love that was
Speaker 5: so recent. It's a freshman. So you know, being here
Speaker 5: on the players lounge, you know it helps. But like
Speaker 5: I said, uh, I be remiss if I say, hey,
Speaker 5: I don't have bad days, but guess what those bad
Speaker 5: days turned into good days bad So I'm good right now.
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Speaker 5: good brothers, and so that's why we make sure we
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Speaker 6: It's a little cold, so your man can't get out
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Speaker 6: Everything else been good man, family is good people healthy,
Speaker 6: so can't complain too much.
Speaker 3: It's been all good man. How about yourself?
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell I'm gonna keep it one hundred, since
Speaker 4: we were in the business of people at one hundred.
Speaker 4: I started this year and I said for my son.
Speaker 4: Y'all know, my son going into a senior year, and
Speaker 4: I'm doing everything to motivate this young man. I told myself,
Speaker 4: I said, Hagma, I know you are used to being
Speaker 4: in this gym with this boy telling him what to do,
Speaker 4: but you need to get down on these weights too.
Speaker 4: And so since the beginning of the year, every morning,
Speaker 4: four o'clock in the morning, I'm going to the gym
Speaker 4: with my son.
Speaker 3: It's okay, consistently, that's what working limit limits. Hey, let
Speaker 3: me be honest with y'all. Right now, dog, I heard
Speaker 3: so I'm gonna be out y'all listen, this is real talk.
Speaker 4: If somebody got down, I'm talking about like brought some
Speaker 4: drama my way, I just I just fold up on
Speaker 4: the ground like a doodle bug.
Speaker 3: Say you got it, you got it, got it? You
Speaker 3: got it? Yeah, you got it. Don't stand up. You
Speaker 3: better stand tall like a tree. Got me help the bell.
Speaker 4: You have no idea the pain I feel now. I'm
Speaker 4: making noises walking down, so I'm making noises up.
Speaker 3: Step open. I can't get in the car right. I
Speaker 3: caught a cramp.
Speaker 4: I called a cramp driving I'm driving, called a cramp
Speaker 4: in my house.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, help me, you know what.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, as a dad, you gotta be
Speaker 4: in there and you got to act like it don't
Speaker 4: affect you.
Speaker 3: Five on that baby, I should not have done, but.
Speaker 4: My wife got my support. So my wife is telling me,
Speaker 4: by stay in the game.
Speaker 3: You're good.
Speaker 4: But yeah, man, I'm glad to know that all of
Speaker 4: y'all good. I'm good man, And look, let's get this
Speaker 4: thing started. It's been it's been a week, and I
Speaker 4: think names have come up that I don't think either
Speaker 4: of us nobody. We went around the table last last Thursday,
Speaker 4: and we talked about names that we thought the Cowboys
Speaker 4: should interview. Some of those names are already off the list.
Speaker 4: Aaron Glynn, which was myp it's gone. He's now the
Speaker 4: Jets head coach. Yeah, you knew he was here at
Speaker 4: Newly Aggie isn't. Yeah, so he's he's the Jets head coach.
Speaker 4: Jets hire him without hiring a general manager first. But okay,
Speaker 4: never heard, but that means he gets his say though.
Speaker 4: I mean it's open ground. Maybe it's a spin. I'm
Speaker 4: like that, it's a different spin, spin.
Speaker 3: Dark spin.
Speaker 4: You don't see if that sticks. But but the names
Speaker 4: that have come come up and come around. You saw
Speaker 4: Robert Salah, Leslie Frasier, all of those names, and then
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, out of the blue, Roan Schottenhammer's.
Speaker 3: Name, team rolling and the ticking up.
Speaker 4: Yes, And and the weird part about it for me
Speaker 4: is like when you let go on Mike McCarthy and
Speaker 4: you say this team needs overhauled culture, all of those things,
Speaker 4: and Brian Schottenhammer's name comes up and he is a
Speaker 4: part of the previous regime, there's a there's a conflicting
Speaker 4: idea in that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, it definitely is.
Speaker 5: Those were my settlements when I started to hear the
Speaker 5: rumblings about it. But one let me let me apologize
Speaker 5: because since we already talked about the chat.
Speaker 3: I did disrespect this this man.
Speaker 5: I said, hey, like, I'm not familiar and I actually
Speaker 5: had the privilege of being on the same team as
Speaker 5: him when he was at Seattle, So to say that,
Speaker 5: I was like, Okay, let me go, you know, hit
Speaker 5: up some former players and stuff like that, and like
Speaker 5: the things that I'm hearing about him, Hey man, it sounds.
Speaker 3: Like they might have made the right decision.
Speaker 5: So oh go ahead, hey man, what they say you.
Speaker 3: Got to leave one more? But no, I need to
Speaker 3: say that one. I apologize.
Speaker 5: But for people to say that he is a leader
Speaker 5: amongst men anybody that was on that coach Carroll staff,
Speaker 5: you couldn't just fake it.
Speaker 3: You had to have You had to.
Speaker 5: Exuperate energy from Ken Norton going at the offensive coordinator
Speaker 5: to everybody going back at each other.
Speaker 3: They have that competition fact there.
Speaker 5: But you have to throw in that he was there
Speaker 5: when Russell Wilson had his best career. Then obviously he
Speaker 5: was here last year with Dak having an All Pro season,
Speaker 5: and so a lot of these guys and one guy
Speaker 5: that I can put a name on, Richard Sherman, talked
Speaker 5: about his schemes schematic wise, he's one of the best
Speaker 5: that's out there.
Speaker 3: For all the players that you hear.
Speaker 5: Nobody from Seattle saying anything negative about him and have
Speaker 5: great things to say in a locker room that has
Speaker 5: historically have had the brightest and the most strongest of
Speaker 5: personalities from the head coach to their players.
Speaker 3: And for him to stand on his own man.
Speaker 5: That's that's high praises in my opinion, And so that's
Speaker 5: the main thing we said with coming to America's team,
Speaker 5: can you find a leader amongst men? And right now
Speaker 5: all I'm hearing is that he's a great guy. And
Speaker 5: then you got to remember who his dad is, the
Speaker 5: pedigree that he had, so from the high praises him
Speaker 5: being around ball since he was little, being raised his
Speaker 5: dad is are you know, one of the tops in
Speaker 5: his profession?
Speaker 3: Man? The ceiling is right for him.
Speaker 5: And some of the players even say they're surprised that
Speaker 5: he hasn't been a head coach already. So for players
Speaker 5: to say stuff like that, I'm excited to hear about it.
Speaker 4: Brian Schottenhamer's father, Marty coach twenty one years, only had
Speaker 4: two losing seasons as a head coach, and that is
Speaker 4: big time.
Speaker 3: See your thoughts on it, well.
Speaker 6: You know, like like what you said it was you
Speaker 6: know because like when you you know, broke it down
Speaker 6: like that coming from Seattle, that that is huge because
Speaker 6: that team had big personalities, you know, like you said,
Speaker 6: from the Schirms of the world, the Bobby Wagner's, the
Speaker 6: Earl Thomas and those guys.
Speaker 3: Russell, he smoked, So you have.
Speaker 6: Big personalities on that team, and you need a guy
Speaker 6: that's can can Can I won't want to say control,
Speaker 6: but can can kind of get everybody on the same page,
Speaker 6: especially offensively when you had you know, the Russ Cook phase.
Speaker 3: And all that good stuff. So shoddy.
Speaker 6: I'm not gonna sit here and act like I know
Speaker 6: everything when it comes to this man, but I will
Speaker 6: say I was surprised and his name was brought up,
Speaker 6: and it's starting to gain momentum. It's like a snowball
Speaker 6: going down. He'll just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
Speaker 6: And I'm interested to see what these players think about it.
Speaker 6: I'm talking about the Parsons of the world, the Dak
Speaker 6: Prescott to the world, because those are the guys that
Speaker 6: are your leaders on the team. Those are the guys
Speaker 6: that voice really means the most when you talk about
Speaker 6: what coming from that locker room. So I want to
Speaker 6: see how those guys feel about it, you know, especially
Speaker 6: Dak Prescott because that's gonna be basically his man's right there,
Speaker 6: because you know, for the past couple of years, Dak
Speaker 6: has been playing at a high level. You know, the
Speaker 6: year before this one before he got injured. Second in
Speaker 6: MVP boting, he had one of his best seasons under
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy. So are they going to bring that same
Speaker 6: system back, like McCarthy's system back with Shotenhaimer or Schotenhaimer
Speaker 6: gonna put a whole different spin on it. I'm not
Speaker 6: too sure about that. We'll see what happens. But one
Speaker 6: thing's for certain. Whatever you do offensively on this team
Speaker 6: as the head coach, you better get.
Speaker 3: Eighty eight involved early.
Speaker 6: In fact all, you gotta find a way to make
Speaker 6: sure your playmakers are balling at a great clip. And
Speaker 6: that's what we need from this team. We can't have
Speaker 6: these slow starts the past couple of years. That's exactly
Speaker 6: what's happened. This team has been loaded, loaded as a
Speaker 6: you know, talent wise, not really much.
Speaker 3: This year, but in previous year, has been loaded. But
Speaker 3: they start out slow.
Speaker 6: They start out slow, and that's exactly what hurt them
Speaker 6: in that Green Bay playoff game. So to me, I'm
Speaker 6: interested to see what these players bring to the table.
Speaker 6: When they talk about Shoddy, but I'm surprised overall that
Speaker 6: this is this is the name that has been brought
Speaker 6: up and getting a lot of team, especially when you
Speaker 6: had guys like Aaron Glenn out there, Ben Johnson who
Speaker 6: didn't even get costs, you know, from this organization.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 4: That's see, I mean, that's that's where the that's where
Speaker 4: things start to get weird, you know, when when you
Speaker 4: say Aaron Glenn didn't even receive a telephone call. But
Speaker 4: still there's nothing else is official yet and probably won't
Speaker 4: be official until all the podcasts are done, and then
Speaker 4: you'll get that.
Speaker 3: Dang, I can't wait till why did y'all do that?
Speaker 3: While but what you're about to say about.
Speaker 5: Trade, my my question is or I guess it's not
Speaker 5: really a question, so we don't get to stuck on it.
Speaker 5: But when you say that it's weird that certain people
Speaker 5: didn't get a call, it's like, do you even entertain
Speaker 5: certain ideas when you already hear that the front runners
Speaker 5: and we all know, like historically the cowboys or should
Speaker 5: we say the cowboy Jerry knows what he wants and
Speaker 5: he knows the idea and a ballpark of it. So
Speaker 5: it's like, do you even entertain that just so for
Speaker 5: entertainment purposes or for the fans or do you know,
Speaker 5: I guess.
Speaker 4: I guess the confusion for me is like perception not
Speaker 4: meet in reality from the way that the season ended
Speaker 4: and what the team felt like they needed. You need
Speaker 4: a guy to come in here that can change the
Speaker 4: culture overall, because the Cowboys seem to be dysfunctional within
Speaker 4: the cultural part of their football team. When you look
Speaker 4: around the NFL, you start talking about other teams that
Speaker 4: may not even be on the same part page as
Speaker 4: the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 3: They have a culture fit. What is that here?
Speaker 4: What is that? And that was the main culture identity,
Speaker 4: whichever one. And I'm just pointing that out all around,
Speaker 4: and I think that a head coach bringing in a
Speaker 4: head coach that could give you that. And it seemed
Speaker 4: like for me, adding context to what you were saying
Speaker 4: about Schottenhamer and Mike McCarthy's offense last year, forty five
Speaker 4: hundred yards for Dak Prescott, one thousand yards for Tony Poller,
Speaker 4: seventeen hundred yards for Cede Lamb.
Speaker 3: You're clicking, Yeah, fourteen TD or seventeen TD, you're clicking.
Speaker 4: As an offense, you have Dan Quinn as your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: Defense is putting up crazy numbers and Dan in those moments,
Speaker 4: as you're talking about, when you needed the most, and
Speaker 4: that's where you've kind of stuck up he in and
Speaker 4: you stayed right there even with Mike McCarthy. Those slow starts,
Speaker 4: you get into a situation versus a Green Bay team
Speaker 4: where you get shredded defensively and your offense didn't give
Speaker 4: you much to respond. And I don't want to be
Speaker 4: revisionists on this, but I'm saying that's just a part
Speaker 4: of what it is. When I say you didn't call
Speaker 4: those guys, you're not calling guys that could potentially be
Speaker 4: trendsetters in the NFL. You see Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: There are these young coaches that are out there that
Speaker 4: you're seeing these guys have success. It looked like to
Speaker 4: me you had a couple of those guys on the
Speaker 4: table that you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, didn't even you didn't even ring cause like you said,
Speaker 5: you let then you kind of you can't help but
Speaker 5: ask yourself, like, as a fan, Okay, should we done
Speaker 5: this a year earlier and we look at the success
Speaker 5: that Dan quinn is having right now? Well, maybe, as
Speaker 5: I love to play double advocate in the room because
Speaker 5: I just love for argument purposes. But let's just say
Speaker 5: maybe he actually learned from his mistakes and said, hey,
Speaker 5: this is one young or a younger guy that hasn't
Speaker 5: had that opportunity yet that we're not gonna let leave
Speaker 5: because just like you said, you had an All Pro
Speaker 5: year with the numbers that you put up with those
Speaker 5: same players a year prior, like you're one player away.
Speaker 5: So it's like instead of ripping it all up, that's
Speaker 5: where it's like, hey, does he learn from that? And
Speaker 5: as a good coach said hey, I'm going to improve
Speaker 5: over what's already here. And then two, I guess it's
Speaker 5: a double headed sword. Do you handcuff him? Because the
Speaker 5: one thing that we before Mike left when he was
Speaker 5: talking to Zimmerman and everything, the mistake that was made
Speaker 5: was that he tried to make his system fit somebody
Speaker 5: else's system that was already there prior because of the success.
Speaker 5: So with that statement, this guy is going to be
Speaker 5: the coach like, will you learn from that statement and
Speaker 5: the breadcrumbs that are out there? But also is this
Speaker 5: Jerry learning from his mistake to saying that we have
Speaker 5: talent in house right now that can develop it, So
Speaker 5: you got to ask a question. This is a very
Speaker 5: interesting pick. It came far left, but there's so many
Speaker 5: nuances that we don't know.
Speaker 3: About in this front office.
Speaker 6: I know we got to go to break, but in
Speaker 6: the front office, they've got to learn from their mistakes
Speaker 6: as well. You got to give the gardener his tools
Speaker 6: yes to go out there and succeed.
Speaker 3: Look at the talent.
Speaker 6: Gap between the Eagles and the Cowboys, Between Washington and
Speaker 6: the Cowboys, I mean, the talent gap is huge, and
Speaker 6: we saw it on display this entire season.
Speaker 3: So to me, you've got to be able.
Speaker 6: To go out there and bring players in, not only
Speaker 6: in a draft, but in free agency as well. That
Speaker 6: can help with that culture ship. But not only that,
Speaker 6: I can help you.
Speaker 3: On the football field.
Speaker 6: Like we saw it when guys went down this season,
Speaker 6: the depth just wasn't there. And like what dis goes down,
Speaker 6: Bland comes back. We got Lewis the other cornerback. Booth
Speaker 6: is getting destroyed out there, and then just keep it
Speaker 6: being he's getting destroyed out there. You go through this
Speaker 6: running back carousel, and with all due respect to Dattle,
Speaker 6: there was no exposiveness out there now.
Speaker 3: So this team has got to get better. You know,
Speaker 3: on the football field.
Speaker 6: Talent wise, culture wise, and hopefully whoever they bring in
Speaker 6: to be the head coach, he can get his tools,
Speaker 6: he can fix the culture. And I'm not saying it's
Speaker 6: all gonna happen in one year like that, Like Dad,
Speaker 6: what dan Quinn was able to do in Washington outstanding,
Speaker 6: that's amazing. I'm not gonna say it's gonna happen that quickly.
Speaker 6: But you gotta do something to improve his team over
Speaker 6: He did it with a less talented team. Just throwing
Speaker 6: it out there, but.
Speaker 3: He did got to break. He did absolutely.
Speaker 4: And but before we go to break, the question that
Speaker 4: I'm going to post to you guys is whichever coach
Speaker 4: that you bring in here, should he be a DAK
Speaker 4: friendly coach or Parse friendly coach? Y'all still on that
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Speaker 3: Miss that he don't miss it.
Speaker 4: I was asking before the break, guys about the coach
Speaker 4: that you bring in, just the mentality wise. Do you
Speaker 4: bring in your coach thinking about your quarterback that you've
Speaker 4: put a ton of money into, or your young defensive
Speaker 4: end who was a superstar in this league that's gonna
Speaker 4: be around for a while, that you're about to make
Speaker 4: the highest paid defensive player in the league, non quarterback.
Speaker 3: Quarterback, he's about to get broke off.
Speaker 4: So let's let's just talk about the mentality of where
Speaker 4: you're going. We're just looking into the future here, and
Speaker 4: which would be better. Hire a coach that's Dak friendly?
Speaker 4: Are Parsons friendly?
Speaker 3: If you're talking to me the guy who has the
Speaker 3: ball in his.
Speaker 6: Hands the majority of the game, and to me, that's
Speaker 6: the quarter as great as Parsons is, which he is outstanding,
Speaker 6: as great as he is, And how much he can
Speaker 6: affect the game. Defensively, offenses pretty much run the league now,
Speaker 6: and you gotta have a guy under center that can
Speaker 6: go out there and produce and get the most out
Speaker 6: of your offense and put up points because at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, that's how you win games.
Speaker 3: You put up more points than the other team.
Speaker 6: And to me, Dak Prescott, you gotta have a guy
Speaker 6: in here that speaks the same language that can get
Speaker 6: the most out of them. When he went for that,
Speaker 6: you know, MVP second or second and MVP voting, whatever
Speaker 6: the case may be.
Speaker 3: A couple of years ago, him and Mike.
Speaker 6: McCarthy was like this, you had a coach that they
Speaker 6: were talking the same language and they were able to
Speaker 6: go out there put up points, win games.
Speaker 3: They did, you know, have a lay an egg in
Speaker 3: the playoffs. We all saw that.
Speaker 6: But in order to get to the playoffs, you got
Speaker 6: to have success in the regular season, and that's exactly
Speaker 6: what he was able to do. So to me, you
Speaker 6: got to have a coach that can go in here,
Speaker 6: speak the same languages, that can get the most out
Speaker 6: of this offense.
Speaker 3: Defensively, you can.
Speaker 6: Go out there, get turnovers, take the ball away, but
Speaker 6: in order to win football games in this league, in
Speaker 6: my opinion, you got to be able to put up points.
Speaker 6: So you got to have a coach that can go
Speaker 6: ahead and speak the same language as your quarterback.
Speaker 5: Man, my sentiments exactly your quarterbacks what they say, it's
Speaker 5: very hard to find a good quarterback. And then once
Speaker 5: you find a good quarterback, you can still have a
Speaker 5: good quarterback. But if he's not properly motivator, he's just
Speaker 5: not on the same page with your head coaches. You know,
Speaker 5: it can make it a bad situation. Looking at what
Speaker 5: you call him, you call the duty bro. If your
Speaker 5: dog is motivated and ready to hunt, then it's not
Speaker 5: the time to go out there. And so with that
Speaker 5: being said, when you go to defense, I feel like
Speaker 5: it's a little bit easier. No slack to Michael Parson.
Speaker 5: He is a generational talent. He can single handedly change
Speaker 5: the game. But like you said, offense, it's points. Like
Speaker 5: I know they say defense wins championships. But as a
Speaker 5: defensive player, you kind of are taught to be selfless
Speaker 5: because when you're sitting over there, you're saying, hey, man,
Speaker 5: I need whatever for my offense to be in the
Speaker 5: right position. So that way, I know I can go
Speaker 5: out there and hunt, because if I'm Michael Parson, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say, hey, I want Dak to be in a
Speaker 5: good spot so.
Speaker 3: He can put up the right numbers.
Speaker 5: And if he put up the right numbers and we
Speaker 5: get out of head, guess what that means. It's time
Speaker 5: to go get sacks. And we all know that sacks
Speaker 5: get the rack. So if I know if the offense
Speaker 5: is doing good, he's gonna feel a lot better about
Speaker 5: himself as a defensive coach, so I think he will
Speaker 5: be selfless like that. So I think you need to
Speaker 5: attack a Dak friendly.
Speaker 4: Coach when you I mean you guys being This is
Speaker 4: really shocking to me because I actually, if I was betting, man,
Speaker 4: I would have bet that y'all would have said something
Speaker 4: completely different.
Speaker 3: So y'all went a whole nother way off.
Speaker 5: So I'm shocked, and I'm gonna say it like this,
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna put some stink on it. I feel
Speaker 5: like as a defensive player, where the less prima donnas
Speaker 5: like we're ready to go and we're ready to hunt.
Speaker 5: So and typically everything revolves around the quarterback all the way.
Speaker 5: Since you were a little like you don't see nobody
Speaker 5: sitting over there saying put a green shirt on the
Speaker 5: middle linebacker of the pass rush and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: So like we're used to people catering for them.
Speaker 5: So that's why I don't think it would be that
Speaker 5: much of an issue for him.
Speaker 3: And if you had to.
Speaker 5: Ask both of them, they're gonna say the same thing, like,
Speaker 5: let me get in my position because everything starts with me.
Speaker 4: So okay, So we all watch a lot of a
Speaker 4: ton of football, and if you look at them, if
Speaker 4: you look at if you look at the teams right now,
Speaker 4: even let's go to Kansas City, who is about to
Speaker 4: dip their foot into immortality if they win three in
Speaker 4: a row. But nobody is talking about the defense. My man,
Speaker 4: the defense BA was winning them these games.
Speaker 3: I mean even when.
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes makes mistakes, because he does, and they don't.
Speaker 4: They don't play those highlights. Right when that defense comes
Speaker 4: back out on the field, they shut everything down. Now,
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, if you have a generational talent and
Speaker 4: Michael Parsons and you can scheme up for him, and
Speaker 4: you put guys around him like the Deran Blands and
Speaker 4: the the Overshown's.
Speaker 3: And the different players.
Speaker 4: You have an opportunity to put together one of those
Speaker 4: kinds of defenses that can shut guys down, shut down.
Speaker 4: You're gonna have to do that anyway in the NFC
Speaker 4: East because of what you have in Washington. Wouldn't it
Speaker 4: be better? I mean, just think about it from a
Speaker 4: defensive standpoint. If you hire a guy that could come
Speaker 4: in here, understand speaks Michael Parsons language and can facilitate that,
Speaker 4: and then you shift your focus to an offensive coordinator.
Speaker 6: And I get it because when I, you know, went
Speaker 6: the furthest as far as team success, we went to
Speaker 6: the AFC Championship. We were led by defense, you know, Jacksonville.
Speaker 6: We had an unreal defense that you're unbelievable. But we
Speaker 6: went up against a guy in Tom Brady who was
Speaker 6: a quarterback. No matter how great we played in that game,
Speaker 6: New England always had a chance to win that game
Speaker 6: because they had that guy behind the center. So to me, yes,
Speaker 6: you have one generational talent in Michael Parsons, But to me,
Speaker 6: he can get you a game here and there. He
Speaker 6: can just you know, put the team on back. Let
Speaker 6: me get you a game here and there. But if
Speaker 6: you got that guy at quarterback who's special.
Speaker 3: He can get you all the way.
Speaker 6: He can get you, you know, four straight games, which
Speaker 6: were talking about in the playoffs what you gotta get
Speaker 6: if you're a wildcard team.
Speaker 3: So you know, to me, that's a racial talent. He's unbelievable.
Speaker 6: But to me, I gotta have somebody under that center
Speaker 6: that can get the job done at a quarterback position.
Speaker 3: And I'm coach that can coach with him.
Speaker 5: And I'm gonna say that in this in this stint
Speaker 5: you were, you were building your momentum. I didn't want
Speaker 5: to interrupt you, but I will say I will be
Speaker 5: remiss if I didn't remind you of a guy named
Speaker 5: Aaron Donald, who is arguably the best defensive player ever
Speaker 5: to play this game. And what they could not get
Speaker 5: over that hump until we wouldn't eve get to the playoffs,
Speaker 5: but couldn't even get to the playoffs without Stafford, and
Speaker 5: then that defense couldn't take that element golf. I mean,
Speaker 5: but I'm gonna tell you, but before that, what did
Speaker 5: it take? It took not only Aaron Donald, who is
Speaker 5: arguably the best defensive player, it took arguably one of
Speaker 5: the best corners to play in our generation and Rams
Speaker 5: getting there. Then you have von Miller getting there, so
Speaker 5: you he still needed help, and then you needed McVeigh.
Speaker 5: You needed McVeigh. Yeah, so like and then you like,
Speaker 5: yeah but McVeigh, but like how rare. And even when
Speaker 5: they had McVeigh, they didn't do it until they added
Speaker 5: those key pieces. When you were at Jacksonville and y'all
Speaker 5: had the defense that y'all had, y'all had some guys
Speaker 5: that are going to be like the guy and defensive wise,
Speaker 5: it couldn't get you over the hump. You need that QB.
Speaker 5: So that's why I say.
Speaker 4: I Bury, You're a nice guy. I love it, man,
Speaker 4: I love that about you. And I just don't understand
Speaker 4: why you just won't say I was supposed to play
Speaker 4: in the Super Bowl, but my quarterback was a bum.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 4: My quarterdas okay, if we just keep on Tom Brady,
Speaker 4: Tom Brady, what what was the final score of that of.
Speaker 6: Was it twenty to fourteen or twenty fifth?
Speaker 3: They say twenty twenty points?
Speaker 9: Bro.
Speaker 4: It was like they played on it. Lay field position
Speaker 4: and ball control on y'all. And when y'all had that
Speaker 4: final possession where you needed to get a score. You
Speaker 4: had a quarterback that couldn't make the defense did their job.
Speaker 3: Y'all held Tom Brady to come on.
Speaker 6: But if we had that quarterback, if we had the
Speaker 6: butter back, I give it.
Speaker 3: That's all. That was all he was missing was the quarterback.
Speaker 3: That's it. That's it. That was it.
Speaker 4: That all that man, this man would have played in
Speaker 4: the Super Bowl. That was the only least. Man was
Speaker 4: a fist drunk. We ain't drunk, didn't It didn't happen.
Speaker 4: So you learn from your mistakes.
Speaker 3: So here we paid the man. The next all give
Speaker 3: me man, he give going back.
Speaker 5: He got us there that he just needed a little
Speaker 5: sim It just didn't go the way that you thought.
Speaker 3: Twenty to fourteen.
Speaker 4: Twenty to fourteen, that was the margin between going to
Speaker 4: a Super Bowl winning in.
Speaker 3: The AMC Championship.
Speaker 4: The last drive come in the two minute drives.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 4: And that's and that's where that's where I'm at with it.
Speaker 4: And I look at this team, and I look at
Speaker 4: where you are, the youth that you have on that
Speaker 4: side of the ball. You have some guys to build around,
Speaker 4: You have a piece to build around. I think even
Speaker 4: with the injuries of Dac of late over the last
Speaker 4: couple of years.
Speaker 3: I know how important it is.
Speaker 4: Even when I talk about Kansas City and their defense,
Speaker 4: I can look at Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes. I
Speaker 4: bet twenty twenty four to twenty Lord Long Dog two
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Speaker 3: Time that that boy got Peach, that boy got PTSD.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.
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Speaker 5: He said he got the who did how did that open?
Speaker 5: How did he look? Let me find out come every
Speaker 5: the three sixties? Then, Steve, you gotta have you gotta
Speaker 5: have a running back.
Speaker 4: You gotta you gotta have a running back in this
Speaker 4: league to go with all this stuff we're talking about.
Speaker 3: You've got to have a running back.
Speaker 4: And so look on that, on that, with that purposing
Speaker 4: that about running back, the switch back over to defense,
Speaker 4: I'm asking you guys, if you do, if you happen
Speaker 4: to go Schottenheimer, who would be your selection as defensive
Speaker 4: coordinator here?
Speaker 3: If that is the potential higher.
Speaker 4: We're just assuming this so we don't have anything concrete
Speaker 4: we don't know and.
Speaker 5: Concrete, but I'm I'm gonna pop it off now. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna flex my chest. I got two of them. I
Speaker 5: got too because we all know that Jerry likes to
Speaker 5: keep in house talent, and we just talked about letting
Speaker 5: people go.
Speaker 3: My first choice, I would say, our.
Speaker 5: Harris our Hairs has done an amazing job with this
Speaker 5: secondary and then just he's been through multiple DCS. You
Speaker 5: got to learn from Mike. Even though his tenure here
Speaker 5: wasn't what it was supposed to be. But you still
Speaker 5: can't deny him of his defensive paralysis and knowing what
Speaker 5: he's done and.
Speaker 3: Being around the game, you got to learn from him.
Speaker 5: You got to learn from d dan Quinn that's up
Speaker 5: there doing what he's doing and we've seen the success
Speaker 5: that he's had and Washington, and then on top of that,
Speaker 5: learning from dan Quinn, you get to pull off of
Speaker 5: that peak Carroll Tree learning from him.
Speaker 3: Al is his time, like you would have thought. I don't.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to people earlier.
Speaker 5: They were saying they don't think that our DC that
Speaker 5: you had last year was the right pick.
Speaker 3: Some thought that Al should have got the shot last year.
Speaker 5: Well, now you don't let it miss you twice, Like
Speaker 5: if that girl from high school that finally gives you
Speaker 5: a chance and it's right there in your face, you
Speaker 5: have to jump on it. So I think Al is
Speaker 5: a good guy. And if you want to bring somebody
Speaker 5: from the outside, because I just read that Salad did
Speaker 5: not get the head coaching job with the Jacks, they're
Speaker 5: still going to be interviewing more people, I would say
Speaker 5: you bringing Robert sala Now do I think Sam fran
Speaker 5: Is going to let him go somewhere if he doesn't
Speaker 5: get that position. No, but I think he would be
Speaker 5: a great guy to pair him up with Michael Parson
Speaker 5: in that defense because defensive players at the end of
Speaker 5: the day, everybody has a scheme. But it's about how
Speaker 5: can you motivate those guys and bring that high energy
Speaker 5: from Robert sola in here, motivate Michael Parson and everybody
Speaker 5: else and get them boys thumping again. You might have
Speaker 5: the mixing to have that cohesiveness with a young, fresh
Speaker 5: new head coach, approven defensive coordinator that's tooking his team
Speaker 5: to the Super Bowl, already has head coaching experience. They
Speaker 5: can learn from each other. I think that would be
Speaker 5: a great pick. But to have two fresh new coach
Speaker 5: that's the only thing that scares me about having a
Speaker 5: brand and like we said, a brand new coach if
Speaker 5: you have him coming in and then having our hairs
Speaker 5: coming in being the DC.
Speaker 3: But those are my two options. Let me just say this.
Speaker 4: I like the Robert solid because of his head coaching
Speaker 4: pedigree and I think that's something that will play well
Speaker 4: with Brian Scheinhama. Just bouncing ideas off of a guy
Speaker 4: like that that's been there, done that. You know, if
Speaker 4: you can match up, especially with whatever your offensive scheme is,
Speaker 4: but it would be your guy.
Speaker 3: So you know, I'd like to double down.
Speaker 6: I just flip it a little because I would love,
Speaker 6: you know, for Harris to get an opportunity.
Speaker 3: You put in the work.
Speaker 6: You saw what he's done with his secondary I mean,
Speaker 6: Daggs had his best years.
Speaker 3: You know under our hairs.
Speaker 6: You got Bland was a fifth round pick, turn him
Speaker 6: into you know, an All Pro one of the best
Speaker 6: defensive players out there. So I would love for him
Speaker 6: to get that opportunity. But for me, I'm a slide
Speaker 6: with this one because I love what he was able
Speaker 6: to do when he was just in the head of
Speaker 6: the defense, Like when he was in San Francisco. He
Speaker 6: didn't have to worry about offense, special teams, making sure
Speaker 6: the team is all together, you know, curfews, this, that,
Speaker 6: and the third. He just had to focus on defense
Speaker 6: and that San Francisco run that he had. He had
Speaker 6: some of the best defenses out there. You know, they
Speaker 6: had hell of talent. If you have you know, all
Speaker 6: those guys linebacker. Fred wanted all those guys, but he
Speaker 6: was able to get the most out of all of
Speaker 6: those guys. And I love what you talked about. You know,
Speaker 6: being a former head coach, you can bounce off ideas
Speaker 6: with with Schottenheimer. But we saw what dan Quinn, a
Speaker 6: former head coach, was able to do when he came
Speaker 6: in here as a d C. He had that just
Speaker 6: culture shifting, guys wanting to run through a brick wall
Speaker 6: for this guy. This defense was playing like their hair
Speaker 6: was on fire, getting turnovers, going after the quarterback when
Speaker 6: dan Quinn was the defensive coordinator here. So to me,
Speaker 6: I think Sally can bring that same type of energy,
Speaker 6: that same type of guy that I want to play
Speaker 6: for him, you know, I you know, defense, we're gonna
Speaker 6: do our job offense. Y'all got it over there, but
Speaker 6: we're gonna do our job on the defensive side of football.
Speaker 6: And I think Salah would bring that to this organization.
Speaker 6: I love the Harris one as well because I think
Speaker 6: it's his time as well. He put the work in. Yeah,
Speaker 6: he knows these players, they know him roster, those the
Speaker 6: strengths and weaknesses of everybody in his secondary to everybody
Speaker 6: on this defense. So I would love for him to
Speaker 6: get a chance as well, but for my first pick,
Speaker 6: and I would go with salo On.
Speaker 5: I mean, and like I said, if you did somebody
Speaker 5: in the house, it would be out. But me personally,
Speaker 5: I would like you to bring solid and then keep
Speaker 5: out on the staff. But you know, obviously he might
Speaker 5: have opportunities elsewhere because of the talent he has. So
Speaker 5: it's like, do you let him go or do you
Speaker 5: bring somebody else in there? And then secondly, don't you
Speaker 5: ever disrespect me because I was there with Robert sla
Speaker 5: what he just got. He had guys on that line,
Speaker 5: You had the Forest Buckner and stuff. Yeah, but you
Speaker 5: got the most out of guys like me, Ronald Blair,
Speaker 5: like guys coming off the bench that were able to
Speaker 5: build their names and revive their career, get paid other places,
Speaker 5: Sheldon Day, all these guys. And I've personally seen him
Speaker 5: maximize his opportunity. And for you telling me that dan
Speaker 5: Quinn can go down there, like because if you would
Speaker 5: have read at the beginning of the season the roster
Speaker 5: list from the Cowboys and the Commanders, you would have said, oh,
Speaker 5: by far, let me get this Cowboys rosters. And so
Speaker 5: for a guy like him to come in with the
Speaker 5: talent that he has, everybody being healthy and no injuries
Speaker 5: out there.
Speaker 3: You it can be scary. It can be really scary.
Speaker 5: So, like I said, I think those two would be
Speaker 5: the best pick.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I think you know, Robert Sola, hands down to me
Speaker 4: is the guy that when you think about a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 4: guy that's been there, done that had the pieces. He
Speaker 4: knows he's he's a builder, championship builder. I mean he's
Speaker 4: had those uh Bosa, He's had guys like that that
Speaker 4: that play the position. He knows how to move the
Speaker 4: pieces around. He's very multiple in what he does. And
Speaker 4: that's that's what I like about him. I love that,
Speaker 4: even though I love San Francisco, got to identify with
Speaker 4: what they did and the success that they had with
Speaker 4: the pieces that they had.
Speaker 3: But obviously it takes talent to play that. Yes, all right,
Speaker 3: thanks talent.
Speaker 4: When you said the Forest Buckner, when you start talking
Speaker 4: about the pieces that he had, that he was he
Speaker 4: had some grown green lad you did, but you had
Speaker 4: hold on.
Speaker 3: He had green Law, but you had a young green
Speaker 3: Law that wasn't doing it like that.
Speaker 5: You had an Al Shazer who became the guy like
Speaker 5: Al Shazer was on our practice squad. And when I
Speaker 5: say that, yes, he did have some dogs, just like
Speaker 5: you have some dogs on this defense. But he had
Speaker 5: a lot of pieces and he was able to maximize
Speaker 5: that back piece. He was able to talk to people
Speaker 5: in the middle of the meeting room and say, hey,
Speaker 5: but you're gonna do what you're gonna do. Eric Armstead,
Speaker 5: You're gonna do what you're gonna do. But Ronnie Blair, hey,
Speaker 5: do what you do on special teams, and when you
Speaker 5: get over here, I know you're gonna do what you do.
Speaker 5: And so that back end of the roster was able
Speaker 5: to sit there and say, hey, I know my chance
Speaker 5: is coming.
Speaker 3: Because he's a straight shooter. He's going to tell you
Speaker 3: what it is.
Speaker 5: He's gonna motivate you and get you hype, and he's
Speaker 5: one of those guys that you want to run through
Speaker 5: a brick wall. So, like you said, if you pair
Speaker 5: him up being a former head coach, I think they
Speaker 5: will be able to bounce ideas off each other and
Speaker 5: learn from each other through that experience. And on top
Speaker 5: of that, you can't buy Super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Experience like that. That goes without being said.
Speaker 5: So like I said, it's just about Do you want
Speaker 5: the hot, proven, hot name right now or do you
Speaker 5: want somebody that's in house that potentially might be that
Speaker 5: guy if you let them walk away?
Speaker 3: You don't want to have another damn Quinn situation? Real quick?
Speaker 3: Are we sure this Cowboys defense is like that? Like?
Speaker 3: Are we sure? Like we talking about how much you
Speaker 3: know talent? This, that and the third. That's what I'm saying. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 3: no no.
Speaker 5: No, we're not saying there. That's what we're not saying.
Speaker 5: We got parses. You got parses, But that's what you need,
Speaker 5: the pieces that's you need. That saying names. You had
Speaker 5: guys that got stuff under their resume, you got gigs
Speaker 5: that let the league get picked for you.
Speaker 3: You got on top of that, you got Parson. What
Speaker 3: else do you really need from there? Now? You just
Speaker 3: got to go get role players.
Speaker 5: Everybody can't be the superstar if we have too many superstars,
Speaker 5: and what everybody's gonna be doing in basketball?
Speaker 3: It's my shot, it's my shot. No, let that guy
Speaker 3: go be the.
Speaker 5: Guy and go get you a car lost and that's
Speaker 5: gonna play on the back end. And hey, when Parson
Speaker 5: needs to take his break, you got a young pupp
Speaker 5: that's coming off doing that. You have to everybody can't
Speaker 5: be lebron. You gotta you gotta get your you gotta
Speaker 5: get your Mo Williams. You gotta get your outs.
Speaker 4: But in theory, in theory, what you have to have
Speaker 4: is some dogs and we need whether you call them guys,
Speaker 4: we need more dog dogs. But I got to make
Speaker 4: a dog and let me ask before we get up
Speaker 4: out of here, Before we get up out of here,
Speaker 4: I want to go with you. Guys's a f C
Speaker 4: n f C champions Uh, you know we got the
Speaker 4: n f C East Championship going on.
Speaker 3: Everybody came to the party.
Speaker 4: Got you gotta give me, You gotta give me your
Speaker 4: pigre Who you got, man?
Speaker 3: Who's going to the super Bowl?
Speaker 5: Hey, y'all can call it bias all y'all want to,
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna go with my aggie brother over there,
Speaker 5: Cliff Kingsbury and that young feet now, man, hey, whether
Speaker 5: they're doing when you got it, you got it like
Speaker 5: when you're just winning and that defense like like you said,
Speaker 5: Dan Quinn, he's been a part of those teams that
Speaker 5: have been to the Big Dance. You have the super
Speaker 5: Bowl experience in Bobby Wagner, who's gonna sit there and
Speaker 5: police those guys that help them bring it in. And
Speaker 5: then you got a young guy that just got the
Speaker 5: high handed. When you're winning, you're winning. And so I
Speaker 5: think that they're gonna be able to expose the Eagles
Speaker 5: when they play them.
Speaker 3: Commanders is one. So who you got in the a
Speaker 3: f C man, Hey do it? Hey?
Speaker 8: Man?
Speaker 3: Are you doing? What's good? I'm gonna go. I'll go
Speaker 3: go with Bill's my hey what he said? What he said?
Speaker 3: I gotta go for an upset man. You got the
Speaker 3: Commanders in in the super Bowl. I got the building.
Speaker 3: I got the Bills and Commanders in the super Bowl.
Speaker 3: You heard it here.
Speaker 6: From for the NFC East Invitational.
Speaker 3: This is gonna be a good game.
Speaker 6: That dude, j Dave, it was his electric Quinn got
Speaker 6: these guys playing out whatever I mean. He got the
Speaker 6: boys rolling. But I'm gonna go with the Eagles on
Speaker 6: this one. At their house. They are a more talented roster,
Speaker 6: even though Washington has you know, the momentum. The're the
Speaker 6: hot squad right now. Philly. If Hurts can stay healthy
Speaker 6: because you know he live a little.
Speaker 3: Bit, you gotta get me quarterback there right now, he.
Speaker 6: Can stay healthy. I believe the Eagles is gonna win
Speaker 6: this game. Okay, so you got the Eagles. I got
Speaker 6: the Eagles. You got the Eagles.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 6: And then on the a f C side, Man, I'm
Speaker 6: never gonna I Man, I don't Kansas City.
Speaker 3: I'm tired.
Speaker 4: I can't bet against you gotta bet against him.
Speaker 3: I don't want to. It's like there's good money.
Speaker 5: I don't want to know when you guys know that
Speaker 5: I absolutely hate the Philadelphia Eagles, and you know we're
Speaker 5: gonna find that because I want to knew he to
Speaker 5: be on the show, because we got to get the
Speaker 5: round up for the regular season how we went with
Speaker 5: our picks.
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes I just I just kind of feel
Speaker 4: like I gonna bring that book, you know. I mean,
Speaker 4: I want the book in front of me.
Speaker 3: The book is gone. There's a reason why.
Speaker 4: He Here's what I mean, but just adding logic to
Speaker 4: it for the reasons that you just said.
Speaker 3: I think Jalen Hurts is is hobbled.
Speaker 4: I think he's been playing bad football before he even
Speaker 4: got hobbled. And that has been a problem. It has
Speaker 4: been the Saquon Barkley Show and if if it comes
Speaker 4: down to it, I think dan Quinn's Achilles Hill has
Speaker 4: been the run, you know that running on.
Speaker 3: Another way. No, see what Gibbs did, Yeah I did,
Speaker 3: But ain't no where the hell I'm gonna pick the Eagle.
Speaker 3: Ain't no hell because I would be nauseous. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: even watch the Super Bowl. They would.
Speaker 4: So I'm going with the Commanders, Betty, and then then
Speaker 4: on the other side. Then on the other side, I'm
Speaker 4: absolutely going with Kansas City. Patrick Mahons getting all the calls,
Speaker 4: it's you know what i mean, Come on, May flinching.
Speaker 3: I've never seen you not be able to hit like brother.
Speaker 5: It's a different day with someone scrutiny on him. I
Speaker 5: think that those calls, he's gonna get some of those.
Speaker 5: But they can't just be that obvious right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, look, I.
Speaker 5: Can't believe you picked the Eagles the way that they
Speaker 5: were exposed last game. If the Rams were fully healthy, brother,
Speaker 5: you know they were supposed to win that game.
Speaker 3: I've seen what it was because of them. Yeah, I've
Speaker 3: seen the players lounge down. We did it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
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Speaker 3: Will be here.
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