Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. I'm your
Speaker 1: host Coleen Wits, and today we have in the building
Speaker 1: music artists, philosopher entrepreneur Larussell, and I am truly excited.
Speaker 1: Nothing made my day more than like what two days
Speaker 1: ago when your crew I think his crew confirmed like
Speaker 1: two or three days ago, and it literally they were like,
Speaker 1: holy why are you so silent? You're supposed to be happy.
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm just making sure you
Speaker 1: tell me the date because if you tell me a
Speaker 1: month from now, I'm not getting excited because just in
Speaker 1: case something happens. And she was like, so you're happy,
Speaker 1: I said, what's the date two days from now? I said, hell, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm happy. Girl Danks shout outs and Nicole from the
Speaker 1: Black Effect for booking you. Super happy to have you.
Speaker 1: I love the name of your company and I love
Speaker 1: what you're about. I'm the name of his company is
Speaker 1: called good Come Penny as in coints, which I was like,
Speaker 1: ooh ooh, that's different, I said, Man, Larussell's hitting us
Speaker 1: with so much intech. Do you remind me of a
Speaker 1: cross between jay Z and Drake and anyone that has
Speaker 1: not heard your music or kind of even try to
Speaker 1: cyberspy on you. It was like really missing out, like
Speaker 1: on some good stuff. But since I have you in
Speaker 1: my kitchen, the eating while broke kitchen, I have to
Speaker 1: know what were you eating when you.
Speaker 2: Were broke man. Today I'm going to be making an
Speaker 2: egg sandwich. This was a classic. My mama taught me
Speaker 2: how to make eggs when I was like five, and
Speaker 2: I used to wake up every morning and make eggs,
Speaker 2: and that was the only thing I knew how to make.
Speaker 2: So we taking it back to the basics. We got
Speaker 2: some eggs, we got some salt and pepper. Today we're
Speaker 2: gonna be doing it on garlic bread. Yeah, because I
Speaker 2: usually use regular bread, we just throw it in a toaster.
Speaker 2: But my boy Austin was like, you gotta do garlic bread,
Speaker 2: so I figured we just spice it up today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a whole discussion about the whole garlic bread,
Speaker 1: you and I because I've actually never even thought of
Speaker 1: garlic bread. Actually, the first time I ever had garlic
Speaker 1: bread for real, for real was the Texas toast in
Speaker 1: the box. And now if you go into a store,
Speaker 1: it is sold out, like you can't get it.
Speaker 3: It's a miracle if you find.
Speaker 1: One, maybe on eBay, but I don't know the pandemic.
Speaker 1: Just like said, take away the best bread on earth.
Speaker 1: But I'm excited to eat with you, so let's get
Speaker 1: it cracking. Oh my gosh, an egg fun.
Speaker 3: Let's get it cracked all right?
Speaker 1: Oh. I listened to rap music so much that my
Speaker 1: girlfriend and I shout out to a lap behind the
Speaker 1: mirror over there. I listened to rap soap music so
Speaker 1: much that I actually speak in metaphors, and sometimes people
Speaker 1: have to stop me and say, coly, we get it.
Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to, you don't have to
Speaker 1: rebreak it down in puzzle terms.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm a metaphor speakers. Can I move this
Speaker 2: so I can crack some eggs?
Speaker 1: Here? Slide over to my side the greatest?
Speaker 3: Are you eating one too? So I should make all.
Speaker 1: Oh, you have to cook for both of us, because
Speaker 1: if it's trash, we can both discover that garlic bread
Speaker 1: egg sandwiches is.
Speaker 2: Just not I'm finna drop some butter up in here
Speaker 2: because my mama would be like, use some pam so
Speaker 2: you don't leave eggs stained all over there.
Speaker 1: Now, are you one of those people that are really
Speaker 1: gonna use metal on a.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, I do. We're not supposed to do that.
Speaker 1: Even every listener is hearing that scratching is like, what
Speaker 1: is he doing?
Speaker 3: That's crazy?
Speaker 1: What is he doing? His mama couldn't have ever let
Speaker 1: him do that.
Speaker 3: Man, she did.
Speaker 2: You wouldn't believe how much stuff my mom let me do.
Speaker 2: Let I don't mean we had taflon back then. Maybe
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: You're right, it was like a luxury. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: back then I think it was.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 1: You just had to butter everything down otherwise it's stuck.
Speaker 2: Or you get that good old pam spray and you
Speaker 2: in it. Oh, I'm getting it all over there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a you know, So
Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about what was going on.
Speaker 1: I know this is like the first dish that you
Speaker 1: ever cooked, But tell me what was going on during
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: Of Also, I usually add bacon, beet bacon bits, and
Speaker 2: chaddar cheese.
Speaker 3: But I heard y'all broke, so it wasn't a here.
Speaker 3: So we're gonna go pepper. I don't see salt over here.
Speaker 3: There's lorryes, y'all struggling.
Speaker 1: Hey, Yo, so much fun of us over here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not even gonna use Lorries because you don't.
Speaker 3: Now, I'm not gonna use Larry I've never done that.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to keep it authentic.
Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, okay, I respect it to be honest. I
Speaker 1: don't use Lowry's. Well, I just started to recently, but
Speaker 1: it's only because I married a black man from Detroit
Speaker 1: who believes.
Speaker 3: Lowry's is everything seasoning. Yeah, yes, yes, beautiful.
Speaker 1: So what was going on growing up? Like around when
Speaker 1: you were making egg sandwiches? I know you started at five,
Speaker 1: you know, making these, but like kind of tell me
Speaker 1: a little bit of your background growing up, Like were
Speaker 1: you middle class?
Speaker 2: I thought I was middle class until I got older
Speaker 2: and realized we're definitely lower middle class. But my pops
Speaker 2: was a hustler, so we were like we had enough
Speaker 2: money to be like the richest niggas in a broke
Speaker 2: neighborhood type shit you feel me, but definitely, uh, lower class,
Speaker 2: just regular neighborhood. Hard to describe when people ask that
Speaker 2: question because you got to kind of grow up in
Speaker 2: it to be familiar.
Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a two parent household?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Definitely.
Speaker 1: Wow Okay, okay, a lot of people on the show,
Speaker 1: they haven't.
Speaker 3: I'm going in.
Speaker 1: That's good. So when did you transition to music.
Speaker 2: I've been writing since I was like seven, whether through
Speaker 2: like writing poems or just journaling, drawing, just I've just
Speaker 2: always used kind of writing an art as like an
Speaker 2: artistic expression and form. So yeah, since I was seven,
Speaker 2: and it's kind of just cultivated. Me and my sister
Speaker 2: had this boombox and we used to download instrumentals from
Speaker 2: LimeWire and burn them on the CD, the instrumentals on
Speaker 2: the boom box and wrap over it. And I remember
Speaker 2: we had a wrapped over knock if you Buck and
Speaker 2: I was going crazy, but my sister was better than
Speaker 2: me at the time, so I just had to keep working.
Speaker 1: Your sister was rapping too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, my sister was rapping too.
Speaker 1: So does she still rap?
Speaker 3: No, she doesn't.
Speaker 1: So you surpassed her in the rap skills. And then
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm good. Is that what happened? I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think she ever had a passion for it. It
Speaker 2: was just something we like to play around and do,
Speaker 2: and I just kind of stuck with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, that's pretty cool. So you is it
Speaker 1: that you like Drake because it like from what I've
Speaker 1: researched on you, is that you from other articles and
Speaker 1: you could correct me if I'm wrong, But your goal
Speaker 1: was to be on the level I want to say,
Speaker 1: and on the I don't know, like numbers level, because
Speaker 1: obviously talent wise, you're on the same level as Drake,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying numbers wise, you want to be on
Speaker 1: the same level. But independently, Yeah, is that correct?
Speaker 2: Not necessarily numbers wise, but impacting notoriety wise. You know,
Speaker 2: I want people to respect me as such, and partially
Speaker 2: the way to do that is to put up the numbers.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: If you're not scoring as well as Jordan, people don't
Speaker 2: expect you respect you like a Jordan, right, And yeah,
Speaker 2: to do that independently and just show people that it's
Speaker 2: possible to be the greatest at something without having to
Speaker 2: utilize someone else's infrastructure that they tell you you got
Speaker 2: to go through and you got to use these methods
Speaker 2: and you got to sell away your ownership, you know,
Speaker 2: like everyone knows early on Drake didn't have his masters
Speaker 2: and had a horrible deal. I want to show people
Speaker 2: that you can get to that level without having to
Speaker 2: go through that.
Speaker 1: Right when you say, just want to rewind, you said
Speaker 1: it was important for you to have impact and notoriety,
Speaker 1: Like why what does that even mean to me?
Speaker 2: It just it enables you to to It enables you
Speaker 2: to make change, Like right now, feed the whole hood
Speaker 2: where I'm from. You know, from now to the end
Speaker 2: of the year, I've been feeding the hood out of
Speaker 2: my own pocket. And I've only been able to do
Speaker 2: that because of my impact and my notoriety. I've become
Speaker 2: so great that I make enough money to where I
Speaker 2: could take care of the place that birth me right,
Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't get to do that
Speaker 2: because they don't have either the talent level or the
Speaker 2: resource to do it. I've been able to do it independently.
Speaker 2: I'm finna drop this garlic bread on this joint.
Speaker 1: It's already it's already done, already toasted it.
Speaker 3: And oh that's crazy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to cheat it because I wanted to
Speaker 1: get all up in your kool aid. Wow, so I
Speaker 1: put the temple because you can't find.
Speaker 3: That anywhere intriguing.
Speaker 1: Let's try it. Let's be a team here. Dang, why
Speaker 1: do we have to break from your story though, right?
Speaker 1: Is this not the hardest interview process?
Speaker 3: This is great, this is great. I'm a multitasker.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this too. All right, So we get
Speaker 1: the bread everyone, we're getting the garlic bread situation together
Speaker 1: and we're putting eggs in it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is new. I've never had this. Shout out all.
Speaker 1: Star for you have to turn off the store.
Speaker 3: Yep, let me get right on there.
Speaker 1: Berthie was talking is mess about us being broke?
Speaker 2: Now, well, I was going to put garlic bread on there,
Speaker 2: but you know, you guys did it, so okay, I
Speaker 2: completely forgot you were.
Speaker 1: Going to actually make it. You don't even know how
Speaker 1: to make garlic bread, do you.
Speaker 2: I mean I use Texas toes, so I was just
Speaker 2: going to throw it up on that joint and then
Speaker 2: it does what it does and you're.
Speaker 3: Good after.
Speaker 1: I's trying. Okay, let's go back to notoriety and impact
Speaker 1: and you feeding your community. Yes, okay, stealing all your eggs, buddy,
Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Do you want to sample
Speaker 1: it first before we get into the nuts and bolts.
Speaker 4: Sure, all right, let's try and see here we good?
Speaker 3: It did. It's a lot of bread.
Speaker 1: I think Texas garlic.
Speaker 3: It Texas.
Speaker 1: At least we now know we actually I now know
Speaker 1: how to do it in the future. But there's way
Speaker 1: too much bread.
Speaker 3: On this one, way too much bread. It's like a
Speaker 3: bread with a side of eggs. It's actually garlic, a
Speaker 3: garlic bread sandwich.
Speaker 1: Would you ever serve the almost mm hmmm. That could
Speaker 1: be an idea, but with dinner bread, right, yeah, look
Speaker 1: at me? Do I Can we call it the eating
Speaker 1: while Brooks? No, that would probably be horrible. Hunts to
Speaker 1: name it the eating wall broke sandwich while you're at
Speaker 1: a pay pay as you go? Is it pay as
Speaker 1: you go or pay what you.
Speaker 3: Want, pay what you want? Proud to pay?
Speaker 1: Well, come sit sit with me so I can get
Speaker 1: all up in your I know he jumped off camera
Speaker 1: on that one. Right, fine, it's fine, real life, real life.
Speaker 1: So let's go into Momos cafe for a second. What
Speaker 1: inspired all of that? Mm hmmm, or at least a partner.
Speaker 3: Just seeing the need.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of homeless in Valoe and just people
Speaker 2: who don't get to eat. And I'm always outside so
Speaker 2: I always see it. I'm always giving someone money or
Speaker 2: taking care of someone, whether my mom would drop off
Speaker 2: boxes of merch to the homeless community out there, to
Speaker 2: different encampments, and I'm just always trying to help, right,
Speaker 2: And this is the way that we can help now
Speaker 2: that I'm in a grander position.
Speaker 3: I've done a.
Speaker 2: Few of these prior this year, but just for a day.
Speaker 2: And when you do it today, it's like, everybody don't
Speaker 2: get a chance to eat. So this time it was like,
Speaker 2: let's make sure everybody gets a chance to eat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think what you're doing is great. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna circle back to your music again. So you're a
Speaker 1: talented artist. Again, for anyone that hasn't heard your music,
Speaker 1: I definitely would say you're in the same lay as
Speaker 1: jay Z and Drake, which, by the way, I'm a
Speaker 1: hardcore jay Z fan. Everyone that listens to this show
Speaker 1: knows this. I have a huge five foot painting that's
Speaker 1: literally the only one in the world that was custom
Speaker 1: made of jay Z like hanging out in projects. I'm
Speaker 1: from Brooklyn.
Speaker 3: There it goes.
Speaker 1: But I will say this in all truest form. Currently,
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years, I listen to Drake
Speaker 1: more and I feel guilty.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm cheating.
Speaker 1: Like for real, Like I don't let nobody know that,
Speaker 1: Like nobody knows that. This is the first time I've
Speaker 1: said it out loud, but in my heart, I'm like, yo, just.
Speaker 3: Listen to jay Z today. Don't and you don't have
Speaker 3: to always pick Drake, but.
Speaker 1: I listened to your lyrics. I'm just wondering, like, what did?
Speaker 1: Have you ever been signed?
Speaker 2: Not in the capacity that artists get signed, like I've
Speaker 2: never been signed to a major deal.
Speaker 3: All of my deals have been partnerships, like distribution deals.
Speaker 2: No, I've done like record deals, but in partnership for them,
Speaker 2: like fifty to fifty profit shares, like I don't belong
Speaker 2: to anyone. I'm my own entity and we just split
Speaker 2: profit versus when a record label usually signs to you,
Speaker 2: you're in like a royalty deal and they own your shit.
Speaker 2: And if they don't own your shit, they license it
Speaker 2: for twenty years and they have power and rule over
Speaker 2: when you release and how you release any of that.
Speaker 2: So I've never been in a major deal. All of
Speaker 2: my deals have been partnerships.
Speaker 1: Currently, are you in a partnership deal or are you independent?
Speaker 2: I've been independent the entire time, So all of these
Speaker 2: partnerships are completely like me and my team do everything.
Speaker 1: You see, you're controlling all the marketing everything. So and
Speaker 1: they're controlling because nowadays it's a little confusing a record
Speaker 1: label is really bringing to the table at this point.
Speaker 1: It depends now I mean with I mean if oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, why am I spacing when it comes to
Speaker 1: who is Draked in Lil Wayne? And what's their name
Speaker 1: of their young Money is it? No, it's not young Money,
Speaker 1: it's race but no, no, no, he was signed to
Speaker 1: Lil Wayne, who was the cash So they're so from
Speaker 1: what I know of the history of uh, the music industry,
Speaker 1: Birdman had the best deal in the industry. So young Money,
Speaker 1: cash Money has literally the best deals on the table.
Speaker 3: Cash money, cash money.
Speaker 1: So if cash Money calls you up right now, I'm
Speaker 1: just playing it. It was advocate with.
Speaker 2: No to see there's a cash Money had the best
Speaker 2: deal in terms of their deal with Republic, not in
Speaker 2: terms of the deals that they gave artists.
Speaker 1: Really, you don't think they gave artists really.
Speaker 3: Good deals, No, because they Drake didn't have his masters.
Speaker 3: He just got him.
Speaker 2: He was in the royalty deal. Lil Wayne had to
Speaker 2: take him to court to get his money. How could
Speaker 2: they be in a great deal? O tig has been
Speaker 2: complaining for years, How could they be in a great
Speaker 2: deal that doesn't make any sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah cash Money had a substantial deal, you know.
Speaker 2: Wen dy Day was a part of helping put that
Speaker 2: together with Republic. They really broke the bank.
Speaker 1: When did you So you're a music artist. What is
Speaker 1: intriguing about you is, for instance, today we gave you
Speaker 1: a release, Clarence, and you sat there quietly.
Speaker 3: And read it.
Speaker 1: You're a businessman all the way through. So were do
Speaker 1: you think you're an entrepreneur before you were an artist?
Speaker 3: Definitely? Definitely.
Speaker 2: Before I was releasing art, I was selling beats, I
Speaker 2: was making album covers for people and selling I've been
Speaker 2: I used to sell swishers one of your parents basketball team. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my pops was a hustler. He sold everything under the
Speaker 2: sun except drugs, like everything.
Speaker 1: It was going to be my next question because when
Speaker 1: I hear hustler, I'm like, what was he saying? There?
Speaker 3: No, man, everything exactly.
Speaker 1: So you got your entrepreneur spirit from him, and then
Speaker 1: your talent gross kind of came from you and your
Speaker 1: sister like in this.
Speaker 3: Boombox kind of my pops as well.
Speaker 2: He's very creatively inclined, right, and he's a problem solver, right.
Speaker 2: And I feel like a part of my talent and
Speaker 2: just my skill, my business acumen is because I'm a
Speaker 2: problem solver. My favorite thing to say is I'll figure
Speaker 2: it out, and I will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, spoken like a true entrepreneur. You know
Speaker 1: how to pivot, right, Yeah, that's whenever I see a problem,
Speaker 1: I'm always like, it's not a problem, it's a challenge, right,
Speaker 1: what to do?
Speaker 2: I was I was walking to get my daughter the
Speaker 2: other day and I was talking with my brother and
Speaker 2: I was like, man, are you looking for problems or
Speaker 2: are you looking for You usually find whatever you're looking for.
Speaker 1: I like that, you know what you say, how I think.
Speaker 1: I think that's why I like you so much. I genuinely,
Speaker 1: I genuinely fuck with you hard do I say fuck
Speaker 1: on the show ever? Really, I genuinely mess with you.
Speaker 1: I was just like, yo, is he as dope? So
Speaker 1: what I've learned being a Christian and just living in
Speaker 1: the world is like, there's so many dope people that
Speaker 1: are doing great things externally. But now that I'm old, older,
Speaker 1: I've grown enough. Wasn't the to ask myself, well, if
Speaker 1: they're externally have all this integrity? I just wonder, like
Speaker 1: if I was a fly on their wall at home,
Speaker 1: you know, do they carry that same level of integrity.
Speaker 1: When I listen to some of your rap lyrics, I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're great. And then there's some that teeter into like
Speaker 1: how you enjoy women in the past. I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's current. I don't know. You know, it's hard
Speaker 1: being a man. I'm not a man, So I just wondering, Like.
Speaker 2: I think, if you are a fly on the wall
Speaker 2: in my house, you'd see a human and supreme form
Speaker 2: right in every aspect, on their roller coaster and on
Speaker 2: their journey. I think there's everyone around me could speak
Speaker 2: to my heart and my greatness and my moral and
Speaker 2: my character. But I also have issues as a human
Speaker 2: as well that I have to develop from and that
Speaker 2: I've had to grow from just through a journey. Right,
Speaker 2: Like you, you learn self respect and you learn value,
Speaker 2: and you learn respecting other people throughout your journey, depending
Speaker 2: on your experience and your surrounding and what you witness. Right,
Speaker 2: most of us just replicate whatever we see if you
Speaker 2: don't see anybody in like loving and nurturing situations and
Speaker 2: providing that, you don't often replicate it, right, because that's
Speaker 2: not something you're familiar with, So just through that process.
Speaker 2: Of course, I'm a human, but I think for the
Speaker 2: most part, what you see externally of me is what
Speaker 2: you see and when you meet me, I'm the exact
Speaker 2: same person.
Speaker 1: Right when I hear your lyrics, you're I feel like
Speaker 1: you're vulnerable, You're you're honest with yourself, and I think
Speaker 1: for a lot of men, I don't want to say
Speaker 1: a lot of men, for humans, I think we we
Speaker 1: tend to either tell ourselves the truth or we tell
Speaker 1: ourselves a lie, and it's the battle of you know,
Speaker 1: but the only way to grow is to tell yourself
Speaker 1: the truth. So there's a lot of vulnerability in your lyrics,
Speaker 1: and I love it like I love it well the
Speaker 1: same reason why I love a lot of y'all. You know,
Speaker 1: you are my top three, you know. Come, so now
Speaker 1: I do do snooping. Obviously I had to cyberstalk the
Speaker 1: hell out of you, but I noticed you were, like,
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of mine, you come directly to me,
Speaker 1: Like how how did you even conceive that concept of like,
Speaker 1: you want to come to my show, you buy the
Speaker 1: tickets from me, no ticket mass and no middle man,
Speaker 1: Like where did that come from?
Speaker 3: Life?
Speaker 2: That's always been the process, you know, Like I've watched
Speaker 2: my dad hustle, and everyone who bought product from him
Speaker 2: pulled up on him or he pulled up on them.
Speaker 2: If you want something from Larussell, you have to go
Speaker 2: communicate with Larussell. When you start adding third parties, you
Speaker 2: could either miss opportunity or something get misplaced. Like I
Speaker 2: used to do booking for a theater and I was
Speaker 2: trying to book certain artists and I'd have to go
Speaker 2: through their agents and It'll be like a caaw whatever.
Speaker 1: Sometimes they shut you down, get.
Speaker 2: To it, and then when I meet them later, I'm like, bro,
Speaker 2: I was trying to get you for it would have
Speaker 2: been dope because I was building this thing. And they're like, man,
Speaker 2: I didn't even know right, And that's because and they
Speaker 2: ain't hollering at you. And then as the more middleman
Speaker 2: you have, the more pie that's getting dipped into. And
Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer in if I'm splitting pie, it
Speaker 2: needs to be with people who help me bake them pie,
Speaker 2: not someone who's just there. Because the end of this
Speaker 2: is a standard. You need to have a business manager.
Speaker 2: You need to have this that like, we're not going
Speaker 2: to do that. You got to actually provide something. If
Speaker 2: you didn't bring no ingredients or help bake this, you
Speaker 2: shouldn't get a slice of it.
Speaker 1: Now, you do have a team, because to get to you,
Speaker 1: I tried emailing, Okay, I was like, this is the email,
Speaker 1: this is how I gets hel But you do have
Speaker 1: a team. Do you have a role amongst your team
Speaker 1: that they don't get to say no, that you have
Speaker 1: to at least they have to at least present the
Speaker 1: opportunity to you. Because that's a valid point that happens
Speaker 1: in the industry.
Speaker 2: Just about everything comes to me. And I may have
Speaker 2: seen this. I was telling Austin. No, I'm for sure.
Speaker 2: I was telling Austin when it first came I had
Speaker 2: seen the show similar and I was like, I don't
Speaker 2: know because I seen the time the eating while broke thing,
Speaker 2: and I feel like a lot of people play on
Speaker 2: like poor people and shit, and I didn't I didn't
Speaker 2: like it. So I was just like, ah, I'm not
Speaker 2: gonna deal with that right now, let me see as
Speaker 2: a cultivate. So I may have seen it. There's not
Speaker 2: too much that come through the email that I don't see.
Speaker 2: And if I don't see it, my two right hands
Speaker 2: always see it and it still makes its way to me.
Speaker 3: So with the eating when I broke, that was one
Speaker 3: of the reasons.
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, the title.
Speaker 3: I don't like when people play on the on poverty.
Speaker 1: And like, it's just like when I created Eating While Broke,
Speaker 1: I I was like, I just I have so many
Speaker 1: dope successful friends that are like millionaires, influence celebrities, entrepreneurs,
Speaker 1: and they always have these crazy stories like they were
Speaker 1: in jail, or they were male escorts or just crazy
Speaker 1: ass stories, and I love them. I lived for them.
Speaker 1: We go on to hiking, like tell me more, what
Speaker 1: else did you do? You're a hugger? Okay, let's here,
Speaker 1: you know, And so I just love the journey. I
Speaker 1: actually don't even I do enjoy the solutions, but I
Speaker 1: love the journey. I love the storytelling. I love the
Speaker 1: hero's journey. And so when I came up with Eating
Speaker 1: While Broke, I was like, well, we got to start
Speaker 1: it at the route. You know that everyone can relate to, like,
Speaker 1: you know, people that are aspiring rappers that are literally
Speaker 1: only have two pennies to rub together. And I named
Speaker 1: it Eating while Broke, But then I realized, damn, every
Speaker 1: time I pitched the show, I have to say, hey,
Speaker 1: I have this great opportunity for you. It's it's ignore
Speaker 1: the name. Let me tell you what it is. And
Speaker 1: I always have to say, ignore the name, and then
Speaker 1: I tell them, you know, the show is about inspiring
Speaker 1: people and just kind of leveling with them and inspiring
Speaker 1: them that they can do exactly what you did, or
Speaker 1: they should believe in themselves no matter what their environment
Speaker 1: is in. But I always have to do this dang
Speaker 1: explainer right on eating sometimes.
Speaker 2: That's why, like certain things would get to me through email,
Speaker 2: but since it doesn't have full context, it's like I
Speaker 2: can't tend to it right because it doesn't resonate. But
Speaker 2: that's why I'm always somebody. I'm so open. If you
Speaker 2: see me anywhere, you can come to me and address me.
Speaker 2: And once I meet you and feel your energy, it's like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: that makes sense, right, But emails have no context, like
Speaker 2: that's just you got to take it for whatever you
Speaker 2: want to.
Speaker 1: I I'm uh. Pippole told me this once. He said,
Speaker 1: if they locked the door, you're climbing through the window.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he didn't respond. He Nicole better used.
Speaker 3: That heart email.
Speaker 1: Dropping Charlottemgne you know it's running this show, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, get his attention. Love And not only did
Speaker 1: I do that, but I liked you so much. I
Speaker 1: literally was like, ear your Leisure should have him, Charlemagne
Speaker 1: should have him, all these people should have him, and
Speaker 1: she was like, I think they already did. Like I
Speaker 1: was like the last ones at the table, like these
Speaker 1: are the shows he should be on. I don't even
Speaker 1: I don't even never had an opportunity meet with you,
Speaker 1: but I was like, dam all your publicists over there,
Speaker 1: like this is who I want. Love it and and
Speaker 1: that's you know why we named the show, you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, eating while broke. But
Speaker 1: I get it because I literally every time I sell
Speaker 1: some on the idea, I'm like, just ignore the name,
Speaker 1: ignore the name. But I'm glad that you take time
Speaker 1: to come and sit with me and super excited. I
Speaker 1: love literally everything you're about. And sorry. One of the
Speaker 1: things that kind of surprised me is the entrepreneur in you.
Speaker 4: And like.
Speaker 1: Also, like, why did you name your company the good Copenny?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean good company just because there's a quote
Speaker 2: that's say your mama say you just by the company
Speaker 2: you keep, right, So I feel like good company is
Speaker 2: encompassing them. Just I like to have good people around me,
Speaker 2: and we build great energy when we go into places.
Speaker 2: We're a good company to have, right, Just that name
Speaker 2: is welcoming. And then I use pennies because I feel
Speaker 2: like pennies are undervalued and overlooked. Right, If you see
Speaker 2: a penny on the ground, you usually don't stop and
Speaker 2: pick it up. But imagine if you stopped and picked
Speaker 2: up every penny you walk past throughout your whole life,
Speaker 2: you probably have more money than a lot of the
Speaker 2: people besides you. Even though it's a penny. There's a
Speaker 2: multitude of them, Like we passed them up all the
Speaker 2: time everywhere, and no one really cares. Right, But it
Speaker 2: exists for a reason.
Speaker 1: I sometimes think pennies exist to go in my daughter's mouth.
Speaker 1: That's a terrible joke. I'm a new mom. I'm a
Speaker 1: brand new mom. I spend most of my days trying
Speaker 1: to convince my daughter not to try a new way
Speaker 1: to commit suicide. Right right now, you see why our
Speaker 1: parents are like tired by eight o'clock because they spent
Speaker 1: the entire day like what do you have to do next?
Speaker 1: But what can people expect from you in the future?
Speaker 1: Music wise?
Speaker 3: A ton of it, A whole lot of it. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm someone I live by this theory of like leaving empty.
Speaker 2: I don't want to leave with nothing on my plate
Speaker 2: and all the music I have I intend to release
Speaker 2: and get out. I want to sit on things for years.
Speaker 2: I'm currently building crazy infrastructure at home. I keep saying
Speaker 2: I'm building Disneyland because we're building something like that completely laterally.
Speaker 2: But really, I don't know. I don't have any expectation
Speaker 2: of myself. So I think people shouldn't. They should just
Speaker 2: enjoy the journey. Like how you say you've been spying,
Speaker 2: Like I hope when you spy you're smiling because it's
Speaker 2: just it's a hell of a show to watch, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful shavn't got to see too many artists
Speaker 2: actually make it in front of us, right, Like we
Speaker 2: see the resulting that the label post and share, but
Speaker 2: we don't see like them going city to city. Hey, yo,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a pop up, you know, like we
Speaker 2: don't get to see that part of the journey, and
Speaker 2: I'm showing all of it. I'm showing us running merch
Speaker 2: for filming out.
Speaker 3: Of my house.
Speaker 2: My mom is dropping them, dropping them off, like I'm
Speaker 2: showing the entire process, and we're sharing the gyms along.
Speaker 2: So I think people should just stay tuned and this.
Speaker 2: We got enough sequels to beat the Fast and Furious series,
Speaker 2: you know, like coming.
Speaker 1: Like that when you do your pop YouTube pop up shows.
Speaker 3: Right, we're doing one tonight.
Speaker 2: I just I just got off a plane and I
Speaker 2: was like, man, I want to do a show. So
Speaker 2: we announced it and now the show tickets have been
Speaker 2: selling tonight.
Speaker 3: It's going to be at going to be.
Speaker 2: This is This one's gonna be special because it's an
Speaker 2: unplugged version and it's like live Q and A.
Speaker 1: Like people, I'm not gonna lie, like I would love
Speaker 1: to go. Please is hearing this?
Speaker 2: What's dope about our shows is like this one is
Speaker 2: a bit different. But generally with our shows, like I
Speaker 2: use the second half of my set to just let
Speaker 2: the fans choose the songs they want to hear and
Speaker 2: I rap whatever they say they want to hear, right,
Speaker 2: So it's like a really interactive show. We did one
Speaker 2: in New York and Brooklyn. When we went out there,
Speaker 2: it sold out in six hours, five hundred tickets.
Speaker 3: So now I'm just kind of of been in.
Speaker 2: This wave where it's like I just be like, I
Speaker 2: feel like doing it, and we do it and it
Speaker 2: usually goes well.
Speaker 1: And then who kind of does the logistics?
Speaker 2: So myself for Nadi, he's a member of my team.
Speaker 2: He helps with booking, Tiata helps with logistics. Millie is
Speaker 2: on my team so anytime we go to a tour
Speaker 2: route and she kind of plans and.
Speaker 1: Give a Guyan girl team, you've bounce.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: I like that because sometimes you work with people and
Speaker 1: they like Slayholder, Like Charlemagne's company is pretty much ran
Speaker 1: by women, Black women, which is amazing by the way
Speaker 1: he treats man.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be where I am without women. I have
Speaker 2: a team of like the most incredible creative intuit in
Speaker 2: women when it comes to just business and everything.
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things I did see, and I
Speaker 1: could be wrong, maybe lack of research, but I feel
Speaker 1: like on one of the things you have posted was like,
Speaker 1: if people buy your records, they have like some kind
Speaker 1: of ownership in it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not necessarily if you buy it some people.
Speaker 4: So on.
Speaker 2: Usually on projects, I'll sell my album before it comes
Speaker 2: to streaming, and anyone who buys that project is up
Speaker 2: for selection to receive a royalty. So I usually go
Speaker 2: through the list of buyers and I'll pick like fifty
Speaker 2: to one hundred people, sometimes one hundred and fifty if
Speaker 2: I'm feeling good, sometimes two hundred, and I'll give them
Speaker 2: a percentage of royalty in different songs from that album.
Speaker 2: You can also buy royalties, like you could make an
Speaker 2: offer to purchase a share.
Speaker 3: So if you have a favorite.
Speaker 2: Song you like I love this song, I know it's
Speaker 2: gonna be big, or just I love this song, I
Speaker 2: just want to have a stake in it, you can
Speaker 2: make an offer to me and say I want five
Speaker 2: percent of the revenue from this song.
Speaker 3: I'm willing to.
Speaker 2: Give you a thousand dollars five hundred dollars, and I'll
Speaker 2: hit you and negotiate and say I'm willing to take
Speaker 2: this or I'm not, and then I send you a
Speaker 2: percentage to the distro you collect every month into perpetuity
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard of someone do that, bro, never
Speaker 1: I've never heard a song.
Speaker 3: I was like, did he do what I.
Speaker 1: Think he did?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? How did you come
Speaker 1: up with that? Though?
Speaker 2: Like how it was just a late night thought of
Speaker 2: Like I've always been split in revenue with my team.
Speaker 2: Everyone who helped, producers, engineers, they all get a percent.
Speaker 2: So one day it was just like, we should give
Speaker 2: the fans some They listened to this shit every day.
Speaker 2: Imagine if your favorite jay Z song, imagine you listen
Speaker 2: to it every day, but you don't want to percent it.
Speaker 2: My fans, like bagas Claim blew up. Some of my
Speaker 2: fans had equity in that song when it first dropped,
Speaker 2: a year before it even took off.
Speaker 3: So they for the rest.
Speaker 2: Of their life, they're going to be getting money off
Speaker 2: bagas Claim because they just made the right call.
Speaker 3: They enjoyed this song so and then but.
Speaker 1: They reached out to you, or how did you even
Speaker 1: announce that?
Speaker 2: I made this big announcement and Tieta on my team.
Speaker 2: She created this form for people to go fill out
Speaker 2: and you put all your information, you put your offer
Speaker 2: amount how much you want. It comes to a database.
Speaker 2: I look at all the offers. I'll email you and say,
Speaker 2: I send your offer, I liked it, I accept you
Speaker 2: email me.
Speaker 3: I go through every offered.
Speaker 2: Personal badass even through email, Like when we do bookings
Speaker 2: and shit like, people are always surprised that they're talking
Speaker 2: to me.
Speaker 3: It's like, it's my business. Of course you're talking to me.
Speaker 1: It makes sense, right. Most of my companies, for some
Speaker 1: reason cannot get them past a certain threshold. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's like my whatever, but so most of
Speaker 1: my companies are smaller. So I'll email, but I email
Speaker 1: under an alias. It'll be like Samantha and it'll be
Speaker 1: like Samantha.
Speaker 3: John was so crazy.
Speaker 2: When I used to send out emails to get booked,
Speaker 2: to go to venues and try to book them. I
Speaker 2: used to act like I was my own manager, and
Speaker 2: then eventually it's like, bro, it's me, I am the Russell.
Speaker 2: I'm going to the venue. This is what I want
Speaker 2: to do right. And I've gotten so much more rapport
Speaker 2: and response because it's like, of course people want to
Speaker 2: talk to you, like I'm doing it right.
Speaker 1: You didn't feel at some point it hinders, how much
Speaker 1: more you can yet, because like I'll give it pretty
Speaker 1: v uh. I emailed her and I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 1: she responded and then like it was her, and then
Speaker 1: she got on the phone with me. She like just
Speaker 1: called me, and then I hear the Jamaican accent. I'm like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I said, and we ended up vibing
Speaker 1: on the phone like for forty five minutes. And but
Speaker 1: it was it was the first time that I cold
Speaker 1: called emailed somebody and not only did they respond in
Speaker 1: record speed, but I mean, first of all, that girl
Speaker 1: is as humble as a yet right, But that was
Speaker 1: the first time that I've ever seen like someone on
Speaker 1: that level just be like, what's.
Speaker 3: Up, what's up?
Speaker 1: Let's do it. She was like, what do you want
Speaker 1: me to cook? I got beans and that I was like,
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You're dope. I was just like
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and it was past, no team,
Speaker 1: no nothing, And you know, I didn't even know it
Speaker 1: was her until she called me, and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's you. You know, that's like if jay Z calls
Speaker 1: me after an email and be like.
Speaker 2: Right, people usually get that same shock, but it just
Speaker 2: builds a different relationship right big. You respect what someone
Speaker 2: is building a lot more when you know they're working
Speaker 2: it right. It's hard to fuck someone over when it's like,
Speaker 2: oh it's you, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're right. There's a different rapport you have to.
Speaker 4: Do.
Speaker 1: You have an internal rule about letting new people into
Speaker 1: your camp because it seems like you have a very
Speaker 1: large camp.
Speaker 2: It is kind kind of yeah, even my immediate group
Speaker 2: is pretty large. There's not really a rule, just an energy, right,
Speaker 2: if I know who I like and who I don't like,
Speaker 2: and who fits and who doesn't. Sometimes we'll try people
Speaker 2: out and it's like ah, that didn't really work, and
Speaker 2: we kind of maneuver forward. But it's not really any rule,
Speaker 2: just your energy, how you feel, how everyone feels about you,
Speaker 2: how you feel about everyone, and we could usually get
Speaker 2: a sense of that really fast. I also have like
Speaker 2: I like to work with people who work hard, like
Speaker 2: the best. You know, I don't want to It's like, bro,
Speaker 2: I'm playing at a high level at all times. If
Speaker 2: you can't keep up, you need to go on the
Speaker 2: other court and play with the little kids for a
Speaker 2: big to your game.
Speaker 3: Get up.
Speaker 1: Have you experienced failure or let me just rephrase that,
Speaker 1: have you experienced perceived failure?
Speaker 3: I hate the word, of course, yeah, of course me.
Speaker 1: About like perceived failure and like what the experience was.
Speaker 2: Man, I've had shows where there was five people in
Speaker 2: the crowd and I had to pay for a venue.
Speaker 2: I rented a sprinter van to get my team there.
Speaker 2: We brought the equipment, We brought a ton of merch
Speaker 2: that we didn't sell because there wasn't no one to
Speaker 2: sell it to.
Speaker 3: And that was a tough ride home. You know, I
Speaker 3: was silent.
Speaker 2: I'm usually the allowing and talking and talking, but I
Speaker 2: was silent, right, And I've had several of those moments
Speaker 2: of perceived failure even beyond that, just sometimes releasing merch
Speaker 2: and putting all your money into it and it doesn't
Speaker 2: go the people don't react. Early on, I had a
Speaker 2: lot of albums. I dropped twenty two albums. I've had
Speaker 2: a lot of albums early on where I was like,
Speaker 2: this is gonna be Yeah, we've been, we've been, We
Speaker 2: didn't blow nothing. Howels is a lot Yeah, way more coming.
Speaker 1: Twenty two owls, not even twenty two singles.
Speaker 3: No, And that's just my catalog.
Speaker 2: I've written other EP single albums for a bunch of
Speaker 2: other people. So, but just in my own album, it's
Speaker 2: twenty two.
Speaker 1: When you experience perceived failure, can you walk me through
Speaker 1: your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Usually is negative first, right, It's all like I look
Speaker 2: for all the problems, what I didn't do, how I
Speaker 2: didn't do it while I could have done it better.
Speaker 2: And then eventually it just becomes like analytical solution based,
Speaker 2: like I always want to I always want to prove
Speaker 2: me wrong or anybody wrong. I'm like, well, I'm I'm
Speaker 2: finna next time. I'm gonna do it triple besides, and
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a success. But yeah, it's usually just
Speaker 2: that emmer emotional turmoil that comes with it first, where
Speaker 2: you know, you feel that dark cloud over you and
Speaker 2: sometimes you got a crowd. You got to sit in
Speaker 2: that and kind of be in that space until you
Speaker 2: could work through it.
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you didn't just say, well, maybe this
Speaker 1: is a question. But in that negative space, have you
Speaker 1: questioned your worth? Like whether you know, like, oh, well
Speaker 1: five people. I get the logistics because I as an entrepreneur,
Speaker 1: I get like what did we do? What could we
Speaker 1: have done differently? But in that negative space can you say,
Speaker 1: and you are prolific for sure, But have you questioned
Speaker 1: your own.
Speaker 3: Not in music?
Speaker 2: Like anytime I failed in music, it wasn't a question
Speaker 2: of my own worth. It was just like they don't
Speaker 2: see it, right, I knew, I knew I was it.
Speaker 2: I'm just like they don't see it. I haven't done
Speaker 2: enough work for them to see it. They don't see it.
Speaker 2: So I've never questioned my worth in that aspect. If
Speaker 2: I'm questioning my worth, it's usually through some life shit,
Speaker 2: like me doing something against my own morals or against
Speaker 2: my own code, or just I let somebody down that's
Speaker 2: dear to me. Those are moments I question my worth
Speaker 2: when I can't show up for my daughter in a
Speaker 2: way that I felt like I should.
Speaker 3: Things like that, but not music. And I put my.
Speaker 1: Hours career wise.
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, not career wise at all. I know
Speaker 2: what I'm worth in my career. I know what I deliver,
Speaker 2: I know what I bring forth, and even even through life,
Speaker 2: like I'm getting to a point where I know my
Speaker 2: impact and how significant I am to you know, the
Speaker 2: life around me and the world.
Speaker 3: I'm feeding a community community.
Speaker 1: So there's a book I just recently checked out. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever heard of it. It's I'm
Speaker 1: called male versus Man, dere Whitfield shout outs to him.
Speaker 1: I picked up the book. I thought it was for men,
Speaker 1: but so I got it for my my friend, and
Speaker 1: but I ended up reading it because I like to read.
Speaker 3: I got to get to a book.
Speaker 1: I'm literally in a book head. I am obsessed with books.
Speaker 1: But I read the book and one of the things
Speaker 1: he pointed out in the book, which I will gift
Speaker 1: you the book now that I have, I think I
Speaker 1: have your address on it.
Speaker 3: I'll get to information.
Speaker 1: Yes, But anyways, one of the things he talked about
Speaker 1: was like the male versus man. You know, the male
Speaker 1: is self seeking and the man is of service, which
Speaker 1: is different problem. I never thought of that, Like, so
Speaker 1: when a guy takes me on a date, I'm like,
Speaker 1: are you trying to give me? Are you trying to
Speaker 1: serve me? Now, at first I was like, oh, that's
Speaker 1: messed up to like seek service, But as a female,
Speaker 1: it's actually not, because you know, we seek protection and
Speaker 1: we seek Some of us do need help providing, and
Speaker 1: some of us need of course, everyone wants to be professed.
Speaker 1: Marry me. The announce the world. I'm the one. I
Speaker 1: also am a hip hop head. And after reading that
Speaker 1: book lately, it's like every song on the radio is
Speaker 1: like shout out to my sneaky link or or yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm having sex with my side chick raw. But I'm
Speaker 1: never gonna leave you. I'm never gonna leave my family
Speaker 1: for you. And and I'm like, yo, did he really
Speaker 1: just say he's having sex with his side chick raw
Speaker 1: and that's why she's attached? And some of these lyrics
Speaker 1: are so terrible to women. I'm like, at what point?
Speaker 1: And who is responsible? And this is just an honest
Speaker 1: like friend or you know you you you have responsibilities
Speaker 1: as a philosopher and entrepreneur and a leader and being
Speaker 1: a vulnerable man yourself. Like who do you think is responsible?
Speaker 1: Is it the art form? Is it the male energy
Speaker 1: or is it us women? Uh?
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's responsible, but I think everyone is accountable.
Speaker 2: I hear the same music coming from females as well.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: I went into an ail salon I saw nothing but
Speaker 1: strippers right all the.
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a responsibility, but there's an accountability.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of those things that it's
Speaker 2: hard to ever be what you never see, right. A
Speaker 2: lot of these men that make it in hip hop
Speaker 2: and music, they haven't had great examples of leadership or
Speaker 2: of men that have that in them to not fall
Speaker 2: to desire, or that are disciplined or impeccable in their
Speaker 2: soul or fulfilled to where they don't need to seek
Speaker 2: or go get extra and the same with women. So
Speaker 2: I think that's just we often act these artists to
Speaker 2: build things that they don't have the tools to build, right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Like if you go look in their toolbox, it's it's
Speaker 2: like you want to.
Speaker 3: Build a house with us.
Speaker 1: I feel like jay Z kind of touched on that
Speaker 1: in I want to say four for four or one
Speaker 1: of the altists like where he was the first one
Speaker 1: to be.
Speaker 2: Where we've seen that, Oh wow, you've upgraded your toolbox, right,
Speaker 2: But a lot of artists don't have that. We're coming
Speaker 2: out of environments that don't nurture that type of behavior
Speaker 2: or system. Like when I was coming up, the older
Speaker 2: men around me was like players too, Like, bro, what
Speaker 2: you feel me? So you grow up embracing that and
Speaker 2: wanting to.
Speaker 3: Be like that. That's what you replicate.
Speaker 2: That's what you know, you don't see anyone I've I
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen a man that was just
Speaker 2: so in love and revered their family so much and
Speaker 2: treated they women so well, like they meant the world
Speaker 2: to me. For me to be like man, that's what
Speaker 2: I want, right, Very seldom do you witness that and
Speaker 2: experience that. But yet you expect someone to conduct themselves
Speaker 2: in that manner. That's what's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So when it comes to accountability in your
Speaker 1: personal life, who holds you accountable? Is it? I don't
Speaker 1: want to answer the question.
Speaker 2: Everyone around me in a sense holds me accountable in
Speaker 2: some way, but ultimately me like I have to be.
Speaker 2: I have to be the one that wants to get
Speaker 2: up every day and put in work and be better
Speaker 2: and want to drop my daughter off and pick her
Speaker 2: up and do work and things like that. But everyone
Speaker 2: around me, from myself, my mom, my dad, my daughter,
Speaker 2: her mother, tiera Millie testing everyone are Fannie. Just all
Speaker 2: of my friends hold me accountable in some aspect. They're
Speaker 2: always in my You know, I can only stoop so
Speaker 2: low sometimes before someone's like, hey, bro, what we doing?
Speaker 1: Oh? I like that? I like that, Okay, is there
Speaker 1: anything that your fans are me don't know about you?
Speaker 3: I mean everything. I mean I guess you only know
Speaker 3: the music.
Speaker 1: Well because you kind of signed a camera on your entrepreneurship.
Speaker 1: You also do all these little I don't want to
Speaker 1: say little, but these gems on social media. So when
Speaker 1: I say is there anything we don't know about you?
Speaker 1: I feel like you're it's like you learn a lesson.
Speaker 1: You're like, let's put it out there, learn that put
Speaker 1: social battle that I be, like, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I want to get personal, man, real.
Speaker 2: No such thing. I've had the really reals and I
Speaker 2: shared there's no such thing. Because there's a billion people
Speaker 2: in the world and someone's been through exactly what you've
Speaker 2: been through, and they may need your help, right, but
Speaker 2: you're refusing to hell, you have all the tools and
Speaker 2: all the means to help them, but you're refusing to
Speaker 2: do it because of your own fear, right, And like,
Speaker 2: I don't want to deny nobody of that tool.
Speaker 3: Like I want people to be able to grow.
Speaker 2: If that's going to be through me just sharing what
Speaker 2: I felt or experienced, that's an easy call, right.
Speaker 1: Do you do? And the the world is always a
Speaker 1: sensitive around this top, but I'm gonna go ahead and
Speaker 1: throw it out there. But like, do you believe in therapy?
Speaker 1: Do you do therapy?
Speaker 2: So I recently started therapy, probably a few months back,
Speaker 2: and I had a few sessions and it's cool. I'm
Speaker 2: not consistent with it because I don't feel like I'm
Speaker 2: gaining much from it. But I also had like an
Speaker 2: expectation of what I was supposed to get from it,
Speaker 2: like I'm supposed to be here, like I have a
Speaker 2: new sessions. It's like, man, I'm an old new man, right,
Speaker 2: And that's not how it happens. And for me, I
Speaker 2: just realized that it was worth that I need to
Speaker 2: do right. I don't need anyone's help to be a
Speaker 2: better human. I just need to choose to be a
Speaker 2: better human and commit to that. That's not something I
Speaker 2: need to talk to someone about. If you want to, yes,
Speaker 2: But for me personally, it's like I built an entire empire.
Speaker 2: I could definitely build myself.
Speaker 3: As a man, right. I don't need anyone's assistant to
Speaker 3: do that. But I chose.
Speaker 2: I've chosen not to, right, I've chosen not to allocate
Speaker 2: my energy towards that which is the only reason I
Speaker 2: haven't grown in any way that I wish to.
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I recently full vulnerability here.
Speaker 1: I recently did try therapy and I kind of felt like,
Speaker 1: oh man, this is gonna sound really shitty for all
Speaker 1: those people that give it to them. But I felt like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting the response in that I needed, in
Speaker 1: the record speed that I needed, And it was like
Speaker 1: I knew the answers, but I just wasn't choosing to
Speaker 1: make the choice that I needed to make. And in therapy,
Speaker 1: it takes so much uprooting of your childhood to get
Speaker 1: to the route that I was, like, yo, I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to relive the thing that I ran from, like
Speaker 1: trying to give me PTSD. Like no, I'm good, But
Speaker 1: I do agree with you, and I'm glad you were
Speaker 1: honest about that because people say therapy therapy, therapy, and
Speaker 1: I actually thought you weren't gonna say that you do
Speaker 1: therapy because I low key feel like your vulnerability and
Speaker 1: your lyrics is a form of therapy.
Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, that's where I get to get all of
Speaker 2: that from.
Speaker 1: And someone gets you, man, and like, because I feel
Speaker 1: like Drake, every time.
Speaker 3: Writing and talking really helps.
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about the past, like you're saying,
Speaker 2: and that shows you how much you're how deep your
Speaker 2: trauma is because you think like speaking about it is
Speaker 2: reliving it. You can't relive the past, right, It's already
Speaker 2: been lived, it's gone. It only exists in your memory.
Speaker 2: You can't relive it. But we when trauma hits in
Speaker 2: a certain way, it makes you feel like you're going
Speaker 2: through that experience again, but it's not. And you really
Speaker 2: have to work through that to get You got to
Speaker 2: go through it to get through it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you can try. I don't. I tried my
Speaker 1: hardest to I believe. I tell myself this. Every storm.
Speaker 1: At the end of every storm is a rainbow. So
Speaker 1: the faster I don't cope through it, or the more
Speaker 1: I do not cope and numb, the faster I get
Speaker 1: through the storm. So like if I were to numb
Speaker 1: some and drink, get high, have sex, or do whatever
Speaker 1: it is, go go to the mall, look pretty, whatever
Speaker 1: I gotta do, go to the clubs. If I cope
Speaker 1: through it, then it's gonna take me longer to heal.
Speaker 1: So if I go through it and like blow up
Speaker 1: my girlfriends then to strangers and seven elevens. You know whatever,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through it faster even though it's gonna hurt,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, right.
Speaker 2: So definitely, you definitely prolong the healing process as you
Speaker 2: as you act right. Every every twinkie you eat just
Speaker 2: makes you closer to the opposite end of where you
Speaker 2: want to be, right, like exactly, And that's how it
Speaker 2: is with everything. Every time you do another act that
Speaker 2: goes against what you want to be, you're just adding it.
Speaker 2: Because the thing with with how the human system work
Speaker 2: is the more you do something, the better you get
Speaker 2: at it. Right, So the more you live fout, the
Speaker 2: better you get at it. Some people are phenomenal cheaters,
Speaker 2: and it's because they do it a whole lot. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So every time you do it, you're getting better at it,
Speaker 2: which needs it's going to take a lot longer to
Speaker 2: get better in the other direction because you're so exceptional
Speaker 2: at what you do. If you lie a lot, you're exceptional,
Speaker 2: it's going to take you a lot to become someone
Speaker 2: who tells the truth exceptionally.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's deep. That's deep, but I think at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I mean, I personally give
Speaker 1: people a lot of grace. I'm one of those people
Speaker 1: that you could literally push me off my seat and
Speaker 1: be like I was just angry. My bag clams, so
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh no, it's okay. But now I'm
Speaker 1: at the place where it's like, I get it, you're angry.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to sit next to you anymore.
Speaker 1: Like take your anger out on the flowers over there,
Speaker 1: you know, But it's a pleasure to have you. I know,
Speaker 1: we kind of we're all over this space. I really
Speaker 1: would like to go to your show tonight. I know, yes,
Speaker 1: I do have some plans, but I'm a pivot and
Speaker 1: I'm a mother now, so trust me, everything is like
Speaker 1: a babysitter, babysitter, nanny, babysitter is like any amount of
Speaker 1: freedom cost you have to come.
Speaker 3: This is going to be special.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna come. I am a true fan. I
Speaker 1: have so much admiration for the way you run your businesses,
Speaker 1: how everyone gets a buy and how everyone gets an
Speaker 1: option to invest in, how you partner and do this
Speaker 1: restaurant where it's like pay what you what you want
Speaker 1: which is brilliant and it's just something that a lot
Speaker 1: of artists aren't doing right, you know. And I love
Speaker 1: the vulnerability and your lyrics. So I'm truly thankful that
Speaker 1: we finally got you on the show. Thank you all
Speaker 1: listeners for checking out another episode of Eating While Broke.
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have Larrussell
Speaker 1: in the building. Where can they find your? Like your
Speaker 1: Instagram handle? What's your Instagram?
Speaker 3: I'm at Larussell on everything.
Speaker 1: L A.
Speaker 3: R us has EOL.
Speaker 2: You can find me on social media on DSPs, at
Speaker 2: home in Valleo, walking around.
Speaker 1: So oh you stay in the Bay.
Speaker 2: I stay home. I live where I'm from and I'm
Speaker 2: there every day. I'm taking my daughter to school. I'm
Speaker 2: baking it up, man mamos, checking in on people. I'm around,
Speaker 2: I'm at home.
Speaker 1: They when they told me that I got you, it
Speaker 1: was like I had like two days notice, like you
Speaker 1: know or whatever. And I was like negotiating with the
Speaker 1: team everyone's schedule. There's like four people that have to
Speaker 1: all Onligne schedules, and uh, there was a hiccup and
Speaker 1: I'm like going back and forth, like, yo, do you
Speaker 1: think we can push back and we're all like, no,
Speaker 1: it's not worth it, and we got an hour, let's
Speaker 1: take it. But thank you and thanks for feeding me.
Speaker 1: You and I both agree, you know, moving forward, we
Speaker 1: could do eggs, but maybe on a dinner garlic bread.
Speaker 1: Dinner garlic bread, then all right pie y'all.
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful