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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host Coleen Wits, and today we have in the building

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Speaker 1: music artists, philosopher entrepreneur Larussell, and I am truly excited.

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Speaker 1: Nothing made my day more than like what two days

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Speaker 1: ago when your crew I think his crew confirmed like

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Speaker 1: two or three days ago, and it literally they were like,

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Speaker 1: holy why are you so silent? You're supposed to be happy.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, well, I'm just making sure you

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Speaker 1: tell me the date because if you tell me a

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Speaker 1: month from now, I'm not getting excited because just in

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Speaker 1: case something happens. And she was like, so you're happy,

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Speaker 1: I said, what's the date two days from now? I said, hell, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy. Girl Danks shout outs and Nicole from the

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Speaker 1: Black Effect for booking you. Super happy to have you.

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Speaker 1: I love the name of your company and I love

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Speaker 1: what you're about. I'm the name of his company is

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Speaker 1: called good Come Penny as in coints, which I was like,

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Speaker 1: ooh ooh, that's different, I said, Man, Larussell's hitting us

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Speaker 1: with so much intech. Do you remind me of a

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Speaker 1: cross between jay Z and Drake and anyone that has

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Speaker 1: not heard your music or kind of even try to

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Speaker 1: cyberspy on you. It was like really missing out, like

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Speaker 1: on some good stuff. But since I have you in

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Speaker 1: my kitchen, the eating while broke kitchen, I have to

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Speaker 1: know what were you eating when you.

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Speaker 2: Were broke man. Today I'm going to be making an

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Speaker 2: egg sandwich. This was a classic. My mama taught me

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Speaker 2: how to make eggs when I was like five, and

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Speaker 2: I used to wake up every morning and make eggs,

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Speaker 2: and that was the only thing I knew how to make.

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Speaker 2: So we taking it back to the basics. We got

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Speaker 2: some eggs, we got some salt and pepper. Today we're

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Speaker 2: gonna be doing it on garlic bread. Yeah, because I

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Speaker 2: usually use regular bread, we just throw it in a toaster.

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Speaker 2: But my boy Austin was like, you gotta do garlic bread,

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Speaker 2: so I figured we just spice it up today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we had a whole discussion about the whole garlic bread,

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Speaker 1: you and I because I've actually never even thought of

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Speaker 1: garlic bread. Actually, the first time I ever had garlic

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Speaker 1: bread for real, for real was the Texas toast in

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Speaker 1: the box. And now if you go into a store,

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Speaker 1: it is sold out, like you can't get it.

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Speaker 3: It's a miracle if you find.

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Speaker 1: One, maybe on eBay, but I don't know the pandemic.

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Speaker 1: Just like said, take away the best bread on earth.

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Speaker 1: But I'm excited to eat with you, so let's get

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Speaker 1: it cracking. Oh my gosh, an egg fun.

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Speaker 3: Let's get it cracked all right?

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Speaker 1: Oh. I listened to rap music so much that my

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Speaker 1: girlfriend and I shout out to a lap behind the

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Speaker 1: mirror over there. I listened to rap soap music so

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Speaker 1: much that I actually speak in metaphors, and sometimes people

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Speaker 1: have to stop me and say, coly, we get it.

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Speaker 1: You know, you don't have to, you don't have to

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Speaker 1: rebreak it down in puzzle terms.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm a metaphor speakers. Can I move this

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Speaker 2: so I can crack some eggs?

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Speaker 1: Here? Slide over to my side the greatest?

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Speaker 3: Are you eating one too? So I should make all.

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Speaker 1: Oh, you have to cook for both of us, because

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Speaker 1: if it's trash, we can both discover that garlic bread

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Speaker 1: egg sandwiches is.

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Speaker 2: Just not I'm finna drop some butter up in here

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Speaker 2: because my mama would be like, use some pam so

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Speaker 2: you don't leave eggs stained all over there.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you one of those people that are really

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Speaker 1: gonna use metal on a.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, I do. We're not supposed to do that.

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Speaker 1: Even every listener is hearing that scratching is like, what

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Speaker 1: is he doing?

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Speaker 3: That's crazy?

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Speaker 1: What is he doing? His mama couldn't have ever let

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Speaker 1: him do that.

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Speaker 3: Man, she did.

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Speaker 2: You wouldn't believe how much stuff my mom let me do.

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Speaker 2: Let I don't mean we had taflon back then. Maybe

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Speaker 2: I don't remember.

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Speaker 1: You're right, it was like a luxury. I'm sure. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: back then I think it was.

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Speaker 3: You're right.

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Speaker 1: You just had to butter everything down otherwise it's stuck.

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Speaker 2: Or you get that good old pam spray and you

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Speaker 2: in it. Oh, I'm getting it all over there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not a I'm not a you know, So

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Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about what was going on.

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Speaker 1: I know this is like the first dish that you

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Speaker 1: ever cooked, But tell me what was going on during

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Speaker 2: Of Also, I usually add bacon, beet bacon bits, and

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Speaker 2: chaddar cheese.

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Speaker 3: But I heard y'all broke, so it wasn't a here.

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Speaker 3: So we're gonna go pepper. I don't see salt over here.

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Speaker 3: There's lorryes, y'all struggling.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Yo, so much fun of us over here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not even gonna use Lorries because you don't.

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Speaker 3: Now, I'm not gonna use Larry I've never done that.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to keep it authentic.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Okay, okay, I respect it to be honest. I

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Speaker 1: don't use Lowry's. Well, I just started to recently, but

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Speaker 1: it's only because I married a black man from Detroit

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Speaker 3: Lowry's is everything seasoning. Yeah, yes, yes, beautiful.

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Speaker 1: So what was going on growing up? Like around when

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Speaker 1: you were making egg sandwiches? I know you started at five,

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Speaker 1: you know, making these, but like kind of tell me

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Speaker 1: a little bit of your background growing up, Like were

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Speaker 1: you middle class?

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Speaker 2: I thought I was middle class until I got older

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Speaker 2: and realized we're definitely lower middle class. But my pops

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Speaker 2: was a hustler, so we were like we had enough

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Speaker 2: money to be like the richest niggas in a broke

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Speaker 2: neighborhood type shit you feel me, but definitely, uh, lower class,

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Speaker 2: just regular neighborhood. Hard to describe when people ask that

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Speaker 2: it to be familiar.

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Speaker 1: Did you grow up in a two parent household?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Definitely.

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Speaker 1: Wow Okay, okay, a lot of people on the show,

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Speaker 1: they haven't.

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Speaker 1: That's good. So when did you transition to music.

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Speaker 2: I've been writing since I was like seven, whether through

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Speaker 2: like writing poems or just journaling, drawing, just I've just

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Speaker 2: always used kind of writing an art as like an

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Speaker 2: artistic expression and form. So yeah, since I was seven,

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Speaker 2: and it's kind of just cultivated. Me and my sister

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Speaker 2: had this boombox and we used to download instrumentals from

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Speaker 2: LimeWire and burn them on the CD, the instrumentals on

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Speaker 2: the boom box and wrap over it. And I remember

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Speaker 2: we had a wrapped over knock if you Buck and

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Speaker 2: I was going crazy, but my sister was better than

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Speaker 2: me at the time, so I just had to keep working.

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Speaker 1: Your sister was rapping too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my sister was rapping too.

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Speaker 1: So does she still rap?

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Speaker 3: No, she doesn't.

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Speaker 1: So you surpassed her in the rap skills. And then

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Speaker 1: she was like, I'm good. Is that what happened? I don't.

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Speaker 2: I don't think she ever had a passion for it. It

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Speaker 2: was just something we like to play around and do,

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Speaker 2: and I just kind of stuck with it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, that's pretty cool. So you is it

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Speaker 1: that you like Drake because it like from what I've

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Speaker 1: researched on you, is that you from other articles and

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Speaker 1: you could correct me if I'm wrong, But your goal

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Speaker 1: was to be on the level I want to say,

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Speaker 1: and on the I don't know, like numbers level, because

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Speaker 1: obviously talent wise, you're on the same level as Drake,

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Speaker 1: but I'm saying numbers wise, you want to be on

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Speaker 1: the same level. But independently, Yeah, is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily numbers wise, but impacting notoriety wise. You know,

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Speaker 2: I want people to respect me as such, and partially

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Speaker 2: the way to do that is to put up the numbers.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: If you're not scoring as well as Jordan, people don't

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Speaker 2: expect you respect you like a Jordan, right, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: to do that independently and just show people that it's

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Speaker 2: possible to be the greatest at something without having to

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Speaker 2: utilize someone else's infrastructure that they tell you you got

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Speaker 2: to go through and you got to use these methods

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Speaker 2: and you got to sell away your ownership, you know,

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Speaker 2: like everyone knows early on Drake didn't have his masters

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Speaker 2: and had a horrible deal. I want to show people

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Speaker 2: that you can get to that level without having to

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Speaker 2: go through that.

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Speaker 1: Right when you say, just want to rewind, you said

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Speaker 1: it was important for you to have impact and notoriety,

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Speaker 1: Like why what does that even mean to me?

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Speaker 2: It just it enables you to to It enables you

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Speaker 2: to make change, Like right now, feed the whole hood

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Speaker 2: where I'm from. You know, from now to the end

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Speaker 2: of the year, I've been feeding the hood out of

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Speaker 2: my own pocket. And I've only been able to do

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Speaker 2: that because of my impact and my notoriety. I've become

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Speaker 2: so great that I make enough money to where I

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Speaker 2: could take care of the place that birth me right,

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Speaker 2: and a lot of people don't get to do that

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Speaker 2: because they don't have either the talent level or the

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Speaker 2: resource to do it. I've been able to do it independently.

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Speaker 2: I'm finna drop this garlic bread on this joint.

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Speaker 1: It's already it's already done, already toasted it.

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Speaker 3: And oh that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I try to cheat it because I wanted to

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Speaker 1: get all up in your kool aid. Wow, so I

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Speaker 1: put the temple because you can't find.

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Speaker 3: That anywhere intriguing.

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Speaker 1: Let's try it. Let's be a team here. Dang, why

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Speaker 1: do we have to break from your story though, right?

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Speaker 1: Is this not the hardest interview process?

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Speaker 3: This is great, this is great. I'm a multitasker.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try this too. All right, So we get

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Speaker 1: the bread everyone, we're getting the garlic bread situation together

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Speaker 1: and we're putting eggs in it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is new. I've never had this. Shout out all.

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Speaker 1: Star for you have to turn off the store.

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Speaker 3: Yep, let me get right on there.

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Speaker 1: Berthie was talking is mess about us being broke?

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Speaker 2: Now, well, I was going to put garlic bread on there,

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Speaker 2: but you know, you guys did it, so okay, I

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Speaker 2: completely forgot you were.

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Speaker 1: Going to actually make it. You don't even know how

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Speaker 1: to make garlic bread, do you.

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Speaker 2: I mean I use Texas toes, so I was just

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Speaker 2: going to throw it up on that joint and then

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Speaker 2: it does what it does and you're.

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Speaker 3: Good after.

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Speaker 1: I's trying. Okay, let's go back to notoriety and impact

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Speaker 1: and you feeding your community. Yes, okay, stealing all your eggs, buddy,

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Speaker 1: All right, here we go. Do you want to sample

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Speaker 1: it first before we get into the nuts and bolts.

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Speaker 4: Sure, all right, let's try and see here we good?

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Speaker 3: It did. It's a lot of bread.

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Speaker 1: I think Texas garlic.

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Speaker 3: It Texas.

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Speaker 1: At least we now know we actually I now know

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Speaker 1: how to do it in the future. But there's way

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Speaker 1: too much bread.

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Speaker 3: On this one, way too much bread. It's like a

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Speaker 3: bread with a side of eggs. It's actually garlic, a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think what you're doing is great. I'm

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Speaker 2: No to see there's a cash Money had the best

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Speaker 3: Good deals, No, because they Drake didn't have his masters.

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Speaker 2: they be in a great deal? O tig has been

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Speaker 2: Before I was releasing art, I was selling beats, I

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Speaker 2: I used to sell swishers one of your parents basketball team. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: No, man, everything exactly.

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Speaker 1: So you got your entrepreneur spirit from him, and then

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Speaker 2: He's very creatively inclined, right, and he's a problem solver, right.

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Speaker 1: I think that's why I like you so much. I genuinely,

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Speaker 1: Right when I hear your lyrics, you're I feel like

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Speaker 2: That's always been the process, you know, Like I've watched

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Speaker 2: If you want something from Larussell, you have to go

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Speaker 2: You need to have this that like, we're not going

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Speaker 2: Just about everything comes to me. And I may have

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Speaker 2: I was telling Austin when it first came I had

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00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: seen the show similar and I was like, I don't

440
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 2: know because I seen the time the eating while broke thing,

441
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,600
Speaker 2: and I feel like a lot of people play on

442
00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 2: like poor people and shit, and I didn't I didn't

443
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,159
Speaker 2: like it. So I was just like, ah, I'm not

444
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: gonna deal with that right now, let me see as

445
00:22:59,880 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 2: a cultivate. So I may have seen it. There's not

446
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 2: too much that come through the email that I don't see.

447
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: And if I don't see it, my two right hands

448
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 2: always see it and it still makes its way to me.

449
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 3: So with the eating when I broke, that was one

450
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:12,880
Speaker 3: of the reasons.

451
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, the title.

452
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 3: I don't like when people play on the on poverty.

453
00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: And like, it's just like when I created Eating While Broke,

454
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: I I was like, I just I have so many

455
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,760
Speaker 1: dope successful friends that are like millionaires, influence celebrities, entrepreneurs,

456
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: and they always have these crazy stories like they were

457
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 1: in jail, or they were male escorts or just crazy

458
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: ass stories, and I love them. I lived for them.

459
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: We go on to hiking, like tell me more, what

460
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 1: else did you do? You're a hugger? Okay, let's here,

461
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,159
Speaker 1: you know, And so I just love the journey. I

462
00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: actually don't even I do enjoy the solutions, but I

463
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 1: love the journey. I love the storytelling. I love the

464
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:56,240
Speaker 1: hero's journey. And so when I came up with Eating

465
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,440
Speaker 1: While Broke, I was like, well, we got to start

466
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Speaker 1: it at the route. You know that everyone can relate to, like,

467
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:03,960
Speaker 1: you know, people that are aspiring rappers that are literally

468
00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: only have two pennies to rub together. And I named

469
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: it Eating while Broke, But then I realized, damn, every

470
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,440
Speaker 1: time I pitched the show, I have to say, hey,

471
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 1: I have this great opportunity for you. It's it's ignore

472
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: the name. Let me tell you what it is. And

473
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 1: I always have to say, ignore the name, and then

474
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: I tell them, you know, the show is about inspiring

475
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: people and just kind of leveling with them and inspiring

476
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: them that they can do exactly what you did, or

477
00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: they should believe in themselves no matter what their environment

478
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: is in. But I always have to do this dang

479
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Speaker 1: explainer right on eating sometimes.

480
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Speaker 2: That's why, like certain things would get to me through email,

481
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:42,520
Speaker 2: but since it doesn't have full context, it's like I

482
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 2: can't tend to it right because it doesn't resonate. But

483
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 2: that's why I'm always somebody. I'm so open. If you

484
00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: see me anywhere, you can come to me and address me.

485
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: And once I meet you and feel your energy, it's like, oh, okay,

486
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 2: that makes sense, right, But emails have no context, like

487
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 2: that's just you got to take it for whatever you

488
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 2: want to.

489
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,879
Speaker 1: I I'm uh. Pippole told me this once. He said,

490
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: if they locked the door, you're climbing through the window.

491
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he didn't respond. He Nicole better used.

492
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,199
Speaker 3: That heart email.

493
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: Dropping Charlottemgne you know it's running this show, and uh,

494
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: you know, get his attention. Love And not only did

495
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,120
Speaker 1: I do that, but I liked you so much. I

496
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:35,119
Speaker 1: literally was like, ear your Leisure should have him, Charlemagne

497
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: should have him, all these people should have him, and

498
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:40,239
Speaker 1: she was like, I think they already did. Like I

499
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: was like the last ones at the table, like these

500
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: are the shows he should be on. I don't even

501
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't even never had an opportunity meet with you,

502
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: but I was like, dam all your publicists over there,

503
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: like this is who I want. Love it and and

504
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,520
Speaker 1: that's you know why we named the show, you know,

505
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, eating while broke. But

506
00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: I get it because I literally every time I sell

507
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 1: some on the idea, I'm like, just ignore the name,

508
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,640
Speaker 1: ignore the name. But I'm glad that you take time

509
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: to come and sit with me and super excited. I

510
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:15,639
Speaker 1: love literally everything you're about. And sorry. One of the

511
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: things that kind of surprised me is the entrepreneur in you.

512
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 4: And like.

513
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 1: Also, like, why did you name your company the good Copenny?

514
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 3: Right?

515
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 2: Well, I mean good company just because there's a quote

516
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 2: that's say your mama say you just by the company

517
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 2: you keep, right, So I feel like good company is

518
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 2: encompassing them. Just I like to have good people around me,

519
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 2: and we build great energy when we go into places.

520
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: We're a good company to have, right, Just that name

521
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: is welcoming. And then I use pennies because I feel

522
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: like pennies are undervalued and overlooked. Right, If you see

523
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 2: a penny on the ground, you usually don't stop and

524
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: pick it up. But imagine if you stopped and picked

525
00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 2: up every penny you walk past throughout your whole life,

526
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: you probably have more money than a lot of the

527
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,359
Speaker 2: people besides you. Even though it's a penny. There's a

528
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 2: multitude of them, Like we passed them up all the

529
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: time everywhere, and no one really cares. Right, But it

530
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 2: exists for a reason.

531
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Speaker 1: I sometimes think pennies exist to go in my daughter's mouth.

532
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: That's a terrible joke. I'm a new mom. I'm a

533
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: brand new mom. I spend most of my days trying

534
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 1: to convince my daughter not to try a new way

535
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: to commit suicide. Right right now, you see why our

536
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: parents are like tired by eight o'clock because they spent

537
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,119
Speaker 1: the entire day like what do you have to do next?

538
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: But what can people expect from you in the future?

539
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,159
Speaker 1: Music wise?

540
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: A ton of it, A whole lot of it. You know.

541
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 2: I'm someone I live by this theory of like leaving empty.

542
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,439
Speaker 2: I don't want to leave with nothing on my plate

543
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 2: and all the music I have I intend to release

544
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: and get out. I want to sit on things for years.

545
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm currently building crazy infrastructure at home. I keep saying

546
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm building Disneyland because we're building something like that completely laterally.

547
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,439
Speaker 2: But really, I don't know. I don't have any expectation

548
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 2: of myself. So I think people shouldn't. They should just

549
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 2: enjoy the journey. Like how you say you've been spying,

550
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: Like I hope when you spy you're smiling because it's

551
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:25,520
Speaker 2: just it's a hell of a show to watch, you know,

552
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful shavn't got to see too many artists

553
00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: actually make it in front of us, right, Like we

554
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: see the resulting that the label post and share, but

555
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,959
Speaker 2: we don't see like them going city to city. Hey, yo,

556
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a pop up, you know, like we

557
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: don't get to see that part of the journey, and

558
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm showing all of it. I'm showing us running merch

559
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: for filming out.

560
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 3: Of my house.

561
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 2: My mom is dropping them, dropping them off, like I'm

562
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 2: showing the entire process, and we're sharing the gyms along.

563
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: So I think people should just stay tuned and this.

564
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: We got enough sequels to beat the Fast and Furious series,

565
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, like coming.

566
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: Like that when you do your pop YouTube pop up shows.

567
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 3: Right, we're doing one tonight.

568
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 2: I just I just got off a plane and I

569
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 2: was like, man, I want to do a show. So

570
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: we announced it and now the show tickets have been

571
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 2: selling tonight.

572
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 3: It's going to be at going to be.

573
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: This is This one's gonna be special because it's an

574
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 2: unplugged version and it's like live Q and A.

575
00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: Like people, I'm not gonna lie, like I would love

576
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: to go. Please is hearing this?

577
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: What's dope about our shows is like this one is

578
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,959
Speaker 2: a bit different. But generally with our shows, like I

579
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 2: use the second half of my set to just let

580
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 2: the fans choose the songs they want to hear and

581
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 2: I rap whatever they say they want to hear, right,

582
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 2: So it's like a really interactive show. We did one

583
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: in New York and Brooklyn. When we went out there,

584
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:58,720
Speaker 2: it sold out in six hours, five hundred tickets.

585
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: So now I'm just kind of of been in.

586
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: This wave where it's like I just be like, I

587
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: feel like doing it, and we do it and it

588
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 2: usually goes well.

589
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: And then who kind of does the logistics?

590
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 2: So myself for Nadi, he's a member of my team.

591
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 2: He helps with booking, Tiata helps with logistics. Millie is

592
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: on my team so anytime we go to a tour

593
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: route and she kind of plans and.

594
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: Give a Guyan girl team, you've bounce.

595
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay.

596
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: I like that because sometimes you work with people and

597
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: they like Slayholder, Like Charlemagne's company is pretty much ran

598
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,360
Speaker 1: by women, Black women, which is amazing by the way

599
00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: he treats man.

600
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be where I am without women. I have

601
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 2: a team of like the most incredible creative intuit in

602
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: women when it comes to just business and everything.

603
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: Now, one of the things I did see, and I

604
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 1: could be wrong, maybe lack of research, but I feel

605
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: like on one of the things you have posted was like,

606
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 1: if people buy your records, they have like some kind

607
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 1: of ownership in it.

608
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, so not necessarily if you buy it some people.

609
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 4: So on.

610
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 2: Usually on projects, I'll sell my album before it comes

611
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: to streaming, and anyone who buys that project is up

612
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: for selection to receive a royalty. So I usually go

613
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: through the list of buyers and I'll pick like fifty

614
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: to one hundred people, sometimes one hundred and fifty if

615
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,440
Speaker 2: I'm feeling good, sometimes two hundred, and I'll give them

616
00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: a percentage of royalty in different songs from that album.

617
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 2: You can also buy royalties, like you could make an

618
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 2: offer to purchase a share.

619
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 3: So if you have a favorite.

620
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: Song you like I love this song, I know it's

621
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: gonna be big, or just I love this song, I

622
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 2: just want to have a stake in it, you can

623
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: make an offer to me and say I want five

624
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 2: percent of the revenue from this song.

625
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 3: I'm willing to.

626
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: Give you a thousand dollars five hundred dollars, and I'll

627
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 2: hit you and negotiate and say I'm willing to take

628
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 2: this or I'm not, and then I send you a

629
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: percentage to the distro you collect every month into perpetuity

630
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: for the rest of your life.

631
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never heard of someone do that, bro, never

632
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: I've never heard a song.

633
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: I was like, did he do what I.

634
00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Think he did?

635
00:31:58,400 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

636
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: How do you? How do you? How did you come

637
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:03,600
Speaker 1: up with that? Though?

638
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 2: Like how it was just a late night thought of

639
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: Like I've always been split in revenue with my team.

640
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: Everyone who helped, producers, engineers, they all get a percent.

641
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: So one day it was just like, we should give

642
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: the fans some They listened to this shit every day.

643
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 2: Imagine if your favorite jay Z song, imagine you listen

644
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:23,239
Speaker 2: to it every day, but you don't want to percent it.

645
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 2: My fans, like bagas Claim blew up. Some of my

646
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 2: fans had equity in that song when it first dropped,

647
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 2: a year before it even took off.

648
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 3: So they for the rest.

649
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 2: Of their life, they're going to be getting money off

650
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: bagas Claim because they just made the right call.

651
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 3: They enjoyed this song so and then but.

652
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 1: They reached out to you, or how did you even

653
00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 1: announce that?

654
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 2: I made this big announcement and Tieta on my team.

655
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: She created this form for people to go fill out

656
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: and you put all your information, you put your offer

657
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 2: amount how much you want. It comes to a database.

658
00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 2: I look at all the offers. I'll email you and say,

659
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: I send your offer, I liked it, I accept you

660
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: email me.

661
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 3: I go through every offered.

662
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 2: Personal badass even through email, Like when we do bookings

663
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: and shit like, people are always surprised that they're talking

664
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: to me.

665
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 3: It's like, it's my business. Of course you're talking to me.

666
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: It makes sense, right. Most of my companies, for some

667
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: reason cannot get them past a certain threshold. I don't

668
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: know if it's like my whatever, but so most of

669
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: my companies are smaller. So I'll email, but I email

670
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 1: under an alias. It'll be like Samantha and it'll be

671
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: like Samantha.

672
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 3: John was so crazy.

673
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,479
Speaker 2: When I used to send out emails to get booked,

674
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 2: to go to venues and try to book them. I

675
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 2: used to act like I was my own manager, and

676
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,880
Speaker 2: then eventually it's like, bro, it's me, I am the Russell.

677
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: I'm going to the venue. This is what I want

678
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: to do right. And I've gotten so much more rapport

679
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 2: and response because it's like, of course people want to

680
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,720
Speaker 2: talk to you, like I'm doing it right.

681
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 1: You didn't feel at some point it hinders, how much

682
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 1: more you can yet, because like I'll give it pretty

683
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: v uh. I emailed her and I'm like, okay, you know,

684
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: she responded and then like it was her, and then

685
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 1: she got on the phone with me. She like just

686
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: called me, and then I hear the Jamaican accent. I'm like,

687
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: wait a minute, I said, and we ended up vibing

688
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: on the phone like for forty five minutes. And but

689
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: it was it was the first time that I cold

690
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: called emailed somebody and not only did they respond in

691
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: record speed, but I mean, first of all, that girl

692
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 1: is as humble as a yet right, But that was

693
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 1: the first time that I've ever seen like someone on

694
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: that level just be like, what's.

695
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 3: Up, what's up?

696
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 1: Let's do it. She was like, what do you want

697
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 1: me to cook? I got beans and that I was like,

698
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: what are you doing? You're dope. I was just like

699
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,200
Speaker 1: you know, you know, and it was past, no team,

700
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 1: no nothing, And you know, I didn't even know it

701
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: was her until she called me, and I was like, oh,

702
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: it's you. You know, that's like if jay Z calls

703
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: me after an email and be like.

704
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: Right, people usually get that same shock, but it just

705
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 2: builds a different relationship right big. You respect what someone

706
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: is building a lot more when you know they're working

707
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 2: it right. It's hard to fuck someone over when it's like,

708
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: oh it's you, Yeah.

709
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're right. There's a different rapport you have to.

710
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 4: Do.

711
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: You have an internal rule about letting new people into

712
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,359
Speaker 1: your camp because it seems like you have a very

713
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: large camp.

714
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 2: It is kind kind of yeah, even my immediate group

715
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: is pretty large. There's not really a rule, just an energy, right,

716
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 2: if I know who I like and who I don't like,

717
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 2: and who fits and who doesn't. Sometimes we'll try people

718
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 2: out and it's like ah, that didn't really work, and

719
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,959
Speaker 2: we kind of maneuver forward. But it's not really any rule,

720
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: just your energy, how you feel, how everyone feels about you,

721
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 2: how you feel about everyone, and we could usually get

722
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 2: a sense of that really fast. I also have like

723
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 2: I like to work with people who work hard, like

724
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 2: the best. You know, I don't want to It's like, bro,

725
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 2: I'm playing at a high level at all times. If

726
00:35:58,239 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 2: you can't keep up, you need to go on the

727
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,160
Speaker 2: other court and play with the little kids for a

728
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 2: big to your game.

729
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 3: Get up.

730
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 1: Have you experienced failure or let me just rephrase that,

731
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: have you experienced perceived failure?

732
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 3: I hate the word, of course, yeah, of course me.

733
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: About like perceived failure and like what the experience was.

734
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 2: Man, I've had shows where there was five people in

735
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 2: the crowd and I had to pay for a venue.

736
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,879
Speaker 2: I rented a sprinter van to get my team there.

737
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,240
Speaker 2: We brought the equipment, We brought a ton of merch

738
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: that we didn't sell because there wasn't no one to

739
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: sell it to.

740
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 3: And that was a tough ride home. You know, I

741
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: was silent.

742
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: I'm usually the allowing and talking and talking, but I

743
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 2: was silent, right, And I've had several of those moments

744
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 2: of perceived failure even beyond that, just sometimes releasing merch

745
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: and putting all your money into it and it doesn't

746
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: go the people don't react. Early on, I had a

747
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 2: lot of albums. I dropped twenty two albums. I've had

748
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 2: a lot of albums early on where I was like,

749
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 2: this is gonna be Yeah, we've been, we've been, We

750
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 2: didn't blow nothing. Howels is a lot Yeah, way more coming.

751
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,280
Speaker 1: Twenty two owls, not even twenty two singles.

752
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 3: No, And that's just my catalog.

753
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: I've written other EP single albums for a bunch of

754
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: other people. So, but just in my own album, it's

755
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 2: twenty two.

756
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: When you experience perceived failure, can you walk me through

757
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,399
Speaker 1: your thoughts?

758
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:27,839
Speaker 2: Usually is negative first, right, It's all like I look

759
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: for all the problems, what I didn't do, how I

760
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: didn't do it while I could have done it better.

761
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 2: And then eventually it just becomes like analytical solution based,

762
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: like I always want to I always want to prove

763
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 2: me wrong or anybody wrong. I'm like, well, I'm I'm

764
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 2: finna next time. I'm gonna do it triple besides, and

765
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,759
Speaker 2: it's gonna be a success. But yeah, it's usually just

766
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 2: that emmer emotional turmoil that comes with it first, where

767
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 2: you know, you feel that dark cloud over you and

768
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 2: sometimes you got a crowd. You got to sit in

769
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,799
Speaker 2: that and kind of be in that space until you

770
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 2: could work through it.

771
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:09,799
Speaker 1: I'm surprised that you didn't just say, well, maybe this

772
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: is a question. But in that negative space, have you

773
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: questioned your worth? Like whether you know, like, oh, well

774
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: five people. I get the logistics because I as an entrepreneur,

775
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,239
Speaker 1: I get like what did we do? What could we

776
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: have done differently? But in that negative space can you say,

777
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 1: and you are prolific for sure, But have you questioned

778
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: your own.

779
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 3: Not in music?

780
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Like anytime I failed in music, it wasn't a question

781
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 2: of my own worth. It was just like they don't

782
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: see it, right, I knew, I knew I was it.

783
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: I'm just like they don't see it. I haven't done

784
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: enough work for them to see it. They don't see it.

785
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: So I've never questioned my worth in that aspect. If

786
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 2: I'm questioning my worth, it's usually through some life shit,

787
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: like me doing something against my own morals or against

788
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 2: my own code, or just I let somebody down that's

789
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: dear to me. Those are moments I question my worth

790
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: when I can't show up for my daughter in a

791
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: way that I felt like I should.

792
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 3: Things like that, but not music. And I put my.

793
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:14,280
Speaker 1: Hours career wise.

794
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: No, yeah, no, not career wise at all. I know

795
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: what I'm worth in my career. I know what I deliver,

796
00:39:22,080 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: I know what I bring forth, and even even through life,

797
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 2: like I'm getting to a point where I know my

798
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 2: impact and how significant I am to you know, the

799
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 2: life around me and the world.

800
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 3: I'm feeding a community community.

801
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: So there's a book I just recently checked out. I

802
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 1: don't know if you ever heard of it. It's I'm

803
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:45,319
Speaker 1: called male versus Man, dere Whitfield shout outs to him.

804
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: I picked up the book. I thought it was for men,

805
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,439
Speaker 1: but so I got it for my my friend, and

806
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: but I ended up reading it because I like to read.

807
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:57,960
Speaker 3: I got to get to a book.

808
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: I'm literally in a book head. I am obsessed with books.

809
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 1: But I read the book and one of the things

810
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: he pointed out in the book, which I will gift

811
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:10,279
Speaker 1: you the book now that I have, I think I

812
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: have your address on it.

813
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 3: I'll get to information.

814
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: Yes, But anyways, one of the things he talked about

815
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 1: was like the male versus man. You know, the male

816
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 1: is self seeking and the man is of service, which

817
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: is different problem. I never thought of that, Like, so

818
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 1: when a guy takes me on a date, I'm like,

819
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 1: are you trying to give me? Are you trying to

820
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: serve me? Now, at first I was like, oh, that's

821
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: messed up to like seek service, But as a female,

822
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 1: it's actually not, because you know, we seek protection and

823
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: we seek Some of us do need help providing, and

824
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: some of us need of course, everyone wants to be professed.

825
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 1: Marry me. The announce the world. I'm the one. I

826
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 1: also am a hip hop head. And after reading that

827
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,719
Speaker 1: book lately, it's like every song on the radio is

828
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: like shout out to my sneaky link or or yeah,

829
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: I'm having sex with my side chick raw. But I'm

830
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: never gonna leave you. I'm never gonna leave my family

831
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: for you. And and I'm like, yo, did he really

832
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: just say he's having sex with his side chick raw

833
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: and that's why she's attached? And some of these lyrics

834
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: are so terrible to women. I'm like, at what point?

835
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: And who is responsible? And this is just an honest

836
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,840
Speaker 1: like friend or you know you you you have responsibilities

837
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: as a philosopher and entrepreneur and a leader and being

838
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: a vulnerable man yourself. Like who do you think is responsible?

839
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Is it the art form? Is it the male energy

840
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 1: or is it us women? Uh?

841
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 2: I don't think anyone's responsible, but I think everyone is accountable.

842
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: I hear the same music coming from females as well.

843
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:52,600
Speaker 3: I agree.

844
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 1: I went into an ail salon I saw nothing but

845
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: strippers right all the.

846
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: I don't think there's a responsibility, but there's an accountability.

847
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of those things that it's

848
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: hard to ever be what you never see, right. A

849
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 2: lot of these men that make it in hip hop

850
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 2: and music, they haven't had great examples of leadership or

851
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 2: of men that have that in them to not fall

852
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,439
Speaker 2: to desire, or that are disciplined or impeccable in their

853
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:24,919
Speaker 2: soul or fulfilled to where they don't need to seek

854
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,759
Speaker 2: or go get extra and the same with women. So

855
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: I think that's just we often act these artists to

856
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: build things that they don't have the tools to build, right. Yeah,

857
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: Like if you go look in their toolbox, it's it's

858
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 2: like you want to.

859
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: Build a house with us.

860
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: I feel like jay Z kind of touched on that

861
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 1: in I want to say four for four or one

862
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: of the altists like where he was the first one

863
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 1: to be.

864
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 2: Where we've seen that, Oh wow, you've upgraded your toolbox, right,

865
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,839
Speaker 2: But a lot of artists don't have that. We're coming

866
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: out of environments that don't nurture that type of behavior

867
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 2: or system. Like when I was coming up, the older

868
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 2: men around me was like players too, Like, bro, what

869
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: you feel me? So you grow up embracing that and

870
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 2: wanting to.

871
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,160
Speaker 3: Be like that. That's what you replicate.

872
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 2: That's what you know, you don't see anyone I've I

873
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: don't think I've ever seen a man that was just

874
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: so in love and revered their family so much and

875
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 2: treated they women so well, like they meant the world

876
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 2: to me. For me to be like man, that's what

877
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 2: I want, right, Very seldom do you witness that and

878
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: experience that. But yet you expect someone to conduct themselves

879
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 2: in that manner. That's what's not gonna happen.

880
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: That's interesting. So when it comes to accountability in your

881
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: personal life, who holds you accountable? Is it? I don't

882
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: want to answer the question.

883
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 2: Everyone around me in a sense holds me accountable in

884
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 2: some way, but ultimately me like I have to be.

885
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 2: I have to be the one that wants to get

886
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,720
Speaker 2: up every day and put in work and be better

887
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 2: and want to drop my daughter off and pick her

888
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: up and do work and things like that. But everyone

889
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 2: around me, from myself, my mom, my dad, my daughter,

890
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 2: her mother, tiera Millie testing everyone are Fannie. Just all

891
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 2: of my friends hold me accountable in some aspect. They're

892
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,880
Speaker 2: always in my You know, I can only stoop so

893
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,719
Speaker 2: low sometimes before someone's like, hey, bro, what we doing?

894
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 1: Oh? I like that? I like that, Okay, is there

895
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: anything that your fans are me don't know about you?

896
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:42,520
Speaker 3: I mean everything. I mean I guess you only know

897
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: the music.

898
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: Well because you kind of signed a camera on your entrepreneurship.

899
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: You also do all these little I don't want to

900
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,520
Speaker 1: say little, but these gems on social media. So when

901
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 1: I say is there anything we don't know about you?

902
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: I feel like you're it's like you learn a lesson.

903
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 1: You're like, let's put it out there, learn that put

904
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: social battle that I be, like, I don't know if

905
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 1: I want to get personal, man, real.

906
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 2: No such thing. I've had the really reals and I

907
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 2: shared there's no such thing. Because there's a billion people

908
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: in the world and someone's been through exactly what you've

909
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:34,799
Speaker 2: been through, and they may need your help, right, but

910
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: you're refusing to hell, you have all the tools and

911
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 2: all the means to help them, but you're refusing to

912
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: do it because of your own fear, right, And like,

913
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,760
Speaker 2: I don't want to deny nobody of that tool.

914
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: Like I want people to be able to grow.

915
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 2: If that's going to be through me just sharing what

916
00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: I felt or experienced, that's an easy call, right.

917
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: Do you do? And the the world is always a

918
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: sensitive around this top, but I'm gonna go ahead and

919
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: throw it out there. But like, do you believe in therapy?

920
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: Do you do therapy?

921
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:08,919
Speaker 2: So I recently started therapy, probably a few months back,

922
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: and I had a few sessions and it's cool. I'm

923
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 2: not consistent with it because I don't feel like I'm

924
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:20,839
Speaker 2: gaining much from it. But I also had like an

925
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 2: expectation of what I was supposed to get from it,

926
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: like I'm supposed to be here, like I have a

927
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,319
Speaker 2: new sessions. It's like, man, I'm an old new man, right,

928
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 2: And that's not how it happens. And for me, I

929
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 2: just realized that it was worth that I need to

930
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 2: do right. I don't need anyone's help to be a

931
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: better human. I just need to choose to be a

932
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: better human and commit to that. That's not something I

933
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: need to talk to someone about. If you want to, yes,

934
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: But for me personally, it's like I built an entire empire.

935
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 2: I could definitely build myself.

936
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: As a man, right. I don't need anyone's assistant to

937
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 3: do that. But I chose.

938
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: I've chosen not to, right, I've chosen not to allocate

939
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 2: my energy towards that which is the only reason I

940
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: haven't grown in any way that I wish to.

941
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because I recently full vulnerability here.

942
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 1: I recently did try therapy and I kind of felt like,

943
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,239
Speaker 1: oh man, this is gonna sound really shitty for all

944
00:47:14,239 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: those people that give it to them. But I felt like, yeah,

945
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 1: I wasn't getting the response in that I needed, in

946
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: the record speed that I needed, And it was like

947
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: I knew the answers, but I just wasn't choosing to

948
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: make the choice that I needed to make. And in therapy,

949
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: it takes so much uprooting of your childhood to get

950
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: to the route that I was, like, yo, I'm not

951
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 1: trying to relive the thing that I ran from, like

952
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 1: trying to give me PTSD. Like no, I'm good, But

953
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: I do agree with you, and I'm glad you were

954
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 1: honest about that because people say therapy therapy, therapy, and

955
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,880
Speaker 1: I actually thought you weren't gonna say that you do

956
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 1: therapy because I low key feel like your vulnerability and

957
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: your lyrics is a form of therapy.

958
00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 2: Definitely, Definitely, that's where I get to get all of

959
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 2: that from.

960
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:03,959
Speaker 1: And someone gets you, man, and like, because I feel

961
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: like Drake, every time.

962
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,480
Speaker 3: Writing and talking really helps.

963
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:10,800
Speaker 2: And that's the thing about the past, like you're saying,

964
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 2: and that shows you how much you're how deep your

965
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 2: trauma is because you think like speaking about it is

966
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: reliving it. You can't relive the past, right, It's already

967
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 2: been lived, it's gone. It only exists in your memory.

968
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 2: You can't relive it. But we when trauma hits in

969
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: a certain way, it makes you feel like you're going

970
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 2: through that experience again, but it's not. And you really

971
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 2: have to work through that to get You got to

972
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 2: go through it to get through it, right.

973
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, or you can try. I don't. I tried my

974
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 1: hardest to I believe. I tell myself this. Every storm.

975
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: At the end of every storm is a rainbow. So

976
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:53,959
Speaker 1: the faster I don't cope through it, or the more

977
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: I do not cope and numb, the faster I get

978
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: through the storm. So like if I were to numb

979
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,560
Speaker 1: some and drink, get high, have sex, or do whatever

980
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: it is, go go to the mall, look pretty, whatever

981
00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: I gotta do, go to the clubs. If I cope

982
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 1: through it, then it's gonna take me longer to heal.

983
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 1: So if I go through it and like blow up

984
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 1: my girlfriends then to strangers and seven elevens. You know whatever,

985
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get through it faster even though it's gonna hurt,

986
00:49:21,600 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, right.

987
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 2: So definitely, you definitely prolong the healing process as you

988
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 2: as you act right. Every every twinkie you eat just

989
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: makes you closer to the opposite end of where you

990
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: want to be, right, like exactly, And that's how it

991
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 2: is with everything. Every time you do another act that

992
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:42,640
Speaker 2: goes against what you want to be, you're just adding it.

993
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 2: Because the thing with with how the human system work

994
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: is the more you do something, the better you get

995
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 2: at it. Right, So the more you live fout, the

996
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 2: better you get at it. Some people are phenomenal cheaters,

997
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 2: and it's because they do it a whole lot. Yeah, right,

998
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 2: So every time you do it, you're getting better at it,

999
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,880
Speaker 2: which needs it's going to take a lot longer to

1000
00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 2: get better in the other direction because you're so exceptional

1001
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 2: at what you do. If you lie a lot, you're exceptional,

1002
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: it's going to take you a lot to become someone

1003
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,879
Speaker 2: who tells the truth exceptionally.

1004
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 3: Right.

1005
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's deep. That's deep, but I think at

1006
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I mean, I personally give

1007
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: people a lot of grace. I'm one of those people

1008
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: that you could literally push me off my seat and

1009
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: be like I was just angry. My bag clams, so

1010
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh no, it's okay. But now I'm

1011
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 1: at the place where it's like, I get it, you're angry.

1012
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: I just don't want to sit next to you anymore.

1013
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: Like take your anger out on the flowers over there,

1014
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, But it's a pleasure to have you. I know,

1015
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: we kind of we're all over this space. I really

1016
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: would like to go to your show tonight. I know, yes,

1017
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 1: I do have some plans, but I'm a pivot and

1018
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: I'm a mother now, so trust me, everything is like

1019
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 1: a babysitter, babysitter, nanny, babysitter is like any amount of

1020
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 1: freedom cost you have to come.

1021
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 3: This is going to be special.

1022
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm definitely gonna come. I am a true fan. I

1023
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: have so much admiration for the way you run your businesses,

1024
00:51:04,760 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: how everyone gets a buy and how everyone gets an

1025
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,440
Speaker 1: option to invest in, how you partner and do this

1026
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 1: restaurant where it's like pay what you what you want

1027
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: which is brilliant and it's just something that a lot

1028
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: of artists aren't doing right, you know. And I love

1029
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 1: the vulnerability and your lyrics. So I'm truly thankful that

1030
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: we finally got you on the show. Thank you all

1031
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,240
Speaker 1: listeners for checking out another episode of Eating While Broke.

1032
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have Larrussell

1033
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,279
Speaker 1: in the building. Where can they find your? Like your

1034
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 1: Instagram handle? What's your Instagram?

1035
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: I'm at Larussell on everything.

1036
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:43,080
Speaker 1: L A.

1037
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 3: R us has EOL.

1038
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 2: You can find me on social media on DSPs, at

1039
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:51,240
Speaker 2: home in Valleo, walking around.

1040
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: So oh you stay in the Bay.

1041
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 2: I stay home. I live where I'm from and I'm

1042
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: there every day. I'm taking my daughter to school. I'm

1043
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 2: baking it up, man mamos, checking in on people. I'm around,

1044
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 2: I'm at home.

1045
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: They when they told me that I got you, it

1046
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 1: was like I had like two days notice, like you

1047
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 1: know or whatever. And I was like negotiating with the

1048
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: team everyone's schedule. There's like four people that have to

1049
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: all Onligne schedules, and uh, there was a hiccup and

1050
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 1: I'm like going back and forth, like, yo, do you

1051
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:27,320
Speaker 1: think we can push back and we're all like, no,

1052
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: it's not worth it, and we got an hour, let's

1053
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: take it. But thank you and thanks for feeding me.

1054
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: You and I both agree, you know, moving forward, we

1055
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: could do eggs, but maybe on a dinner garlic bread.

1056
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: Dinner garlic bread, then all right pie y'all.

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00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful