1 00:00:04,200 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 4 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he 5 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. And well it's a Monday here 6 00:00:25,520 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 2: in Pittsburgh. We're starting to see some things happen around 7 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 2: the league. 8 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: No, there's activity, yeah, but we've also. 9 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 2: Seen the end of the preseason, the Steelers losing their 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 2: preseason finale twenty four to seventeen at Detroit on Saturday. 11 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 2: Don't really care about the score of that game. 12 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:44,320 Speaker 3: I don't really care about the second half, to be honest. No, 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 3: I didn't care after basically the second quarter. Yeah, really, Yeah, 14 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,919 Speaker 3: I mean once fields came out, I wasn't real concerned. 15 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 3: And I don't know if the Lions cared at all. Yeah, 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: I mean I think there's that that Steelers players that 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: are going to make the team did the stuff you 18 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 3: wanted to see, both sides of the ball. Without the 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 3: Lions couldn't have put less into that game, though. 20 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 2: You know. 21 00:01:04,600 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 3: I mean, so it's what you want. I mean from 22 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,319 Speaker 3: a Steelers perspective, go beat up on their bad guys 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 3: and they did. 24 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, and when you say the Lions couldn't 25 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 2: have carried less, the coaching staff couldn't get the players 26 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:17,199 Speaker 2: on the field. Yeah, they're trying. 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,679 Speaker 3: They're trying. There's in terms of play in their plot, guys. 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 3: So they preserved everybody. 29 00:01:21,160 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we saw one series from Russell Wilson and 30 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 2: the starters on offense, all the starters. 31 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 3: Yes, they held nothing back there. Now you got his 32 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,680 Speaker 3: one carry and got out. You gota mentioned that last week, 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,360 Speaker 3: like he'll start, but how much harm they'll get him 34 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 3: in arm's way? You know. 35 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: And it was a move the Powell, you know, contact 36 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 2: at one yard and then the pole moves five yards 37 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:45,480 Speaker 2: and Okay. 38 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 3: He's playing with a lot of aggression. I'm just I'm 39 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 3: excited for his season. Yeah, I think it's gonna be. 40 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 3: From looking. 41 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: We got to see two throws from Russell Wilson. One 42 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: was a sideways pass, uh you know the Pickens. The 43 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 2: guy made a nice playing, got Pickings to put it, 44 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 2: got an elbow down. Otherwise that's about an eleven yard game. 45 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: And then. 46 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,400 Speaker 2: He comes back and throws a thirty one yard basically 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 2: out deep out that he threw before Pickens came out 48 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 2: of his break. 49 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a joint. 50 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 2: See. 51 00:02:16,120 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's exactly what an aggressive throw on throw, yeah, 52 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,639 Speaker 3: you know, on time to an NFL receiver. Pickens ran 53 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 3: three routes, played six plays, and had two targets. Yeah. 54 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 3: Like every time he's been out there this year, which 55 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: isn't long stretches, he's gotten the ball multiple times, you know, 56 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 3: and I think that's somebody we better get used to. 57 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 3: I mean, getting the ball in your best player's hands. Yeah, 58 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,360 Speaker 3: so in a variety of ways. 59 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not not at all surprising. No, no, 60 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 2: and then Cordell Patterson gets a good burst up the middle. 61 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:51,360 Speaker 2: They just cleared out that side a huge hole, massive 62 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: hole that you'd never see. 63 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, like NFL against Yeah, like starters against backups or 64 00:02:57,320 --> 00:02:58,840 Speaker 3: a type of deal. You know, that looked like Bama 65 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 3: versus Bama State on that one. But he's fast and 66 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: he's big, and you know, you did what you're supposed 67 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 3: to do. 68 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, and goes on touch for a touchdown. That was 69 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: it for Russell Wilson the group and I tweeted out 70 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,679 Speaker 2: at that point if there's anybody who was still wondering 71 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:17,679 Speaker 2: or thinking that there's a quarterback competition right for the Steelers. 72 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 2: That should dispel any of that because you allowed Russell 73 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 2: Wilson to go out there. You threw two passes, one 74 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 2: of them was sideways, and you got them out of there. 75 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: With all the ones, and Darnelt Washington protected them too, 76 00:03:29,919 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: and okay, get him out and you do. I wonder 77 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 3: if that would have been a bad series if they'd 78 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,400 Speaker 3: put him out for a second. Maybe, who knows, but 79 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 3: walk right down the field, move it, beat up on 80 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 3: a bad unit and made a big throw. Yeah, it 81 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 3: made a big time throw right exactly. So no, that's 82 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: that's clear. I forget who I even heard today. I'm 83 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 3: like someone someone said, well, it looks like Drake May 84 00:03:52,120 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 3: is going to be the starter in New England. That's 85 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: not official yet, but I guess their head coach said 86 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 3: he's outplayed Brissette. So the only one looming's the Steelers. 87 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 3: I'm like, what are you talking about. You're not paying 88 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: any attention. I mean, if you go to one practice 89 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 3: you'd know the difference. 90 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 2: That is perhaps the biggest fallacy that has been put 91 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 2: out there by the National And it's all been the 92 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 2: National National guys, right, It's never been anything local. It's 93 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: been Russell Wilson all along. They didn't laid this out 94 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: last week. They didn't go out and recruit this guy 95 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: and sign him on the opening day of free agency 96 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 2: to then not play him. 97 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 3: No, right, right, right, So one hundred percent, and his 98 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: series was great, and I thought it's a good quarterback 99 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 3: day overall, to be honest with you. I mean, Allen 100 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 3: wasn't playing with superstars, he wasn't throwing, just wanting Stalworth 101 00:04:37,080 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: and you know, Pumbley got out there and Field did 102 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 3: some good stuff too, So I thought it was a 103 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 3: good quarterback day overall. Yeah. 104 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 2: They go to fields next, he leads a short touchdown drive, 105 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,720 Speaker 2: made a nice throw to Michael Pruitt, Yes for a 106 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: twenty two yard game, and then once again, the Steelers 107 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: offensive line if you watch that touchdown run collapsing, I 108 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 2: mean Michael p Ryan, it went they basically and it 109 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 2: was Friarmuth who really yeah, was just drove the guy 110 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 2: down the line and cleared everything out. I could have 111 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: scored on that. 112 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 3: One, yeah, I mean, any of the backs in the 113 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 3: building are scoring there. And that's not a knock on 114 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 3: p Ryan. He did what he's supposed to do too, 115 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 3: But that was one of the more promising things as 116 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: well is you know the way they blocked it with 117 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 3: the angles and moved people off the ball and all 118 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:24,799 Speaker 3: that good stuff. So yeah, I mean the whole first 119 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 3: half was, especially the first quarter was dominated by the Steelers. 120 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and offensively, they did what they wanted to do 121 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 2: out there. Whether it was the first of the second group, 122 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 2: they were able to move the ball. 123 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 3: Again, those guys were not there very long. Were sure 124 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: the fields didn't play more. No, I mean, no, I 125 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 3: think people. I mean it got to the point in 126 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: the second half where it's like we're just gonna play 127 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 3: all the dudes that are fighting for jobs. 128 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,920 Speaker 2: I did think it was interesting Matt that when he 129 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: was out there, they had a couple of design runs 130 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: for him. Yeah, just to put that on tape, just 131 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 2: in case you forgot you go Atlanta, Yeah, clearly designed right, Yeah, 132 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 2: not like an improv move like we're gonna show a 133 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 2: play where he's running no matter what. 134 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, so get used to it and start practicing it now. Yeah. 135 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: So it's just something that you know, Atlanta now has 136 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 2: to look at that and go, Okay, they get in 137 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 2: the short yarded situation, this is probably what they're gonna. 138 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 3: Do yeah, or maybe even in the second drive of 139 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: the second quarter he trots out there with the ones 140 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 3: for three plays, five plays, you'll see him using them 141 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 3: that way, you don't think, I don't think so. I 142 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 3: don't know if there'll be a package here and there, 143 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 3: random or just goal line, or we'll not get his 144 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 3: jersey dirty at all. 145 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:36,239 Speaker 2: I don't know what to think, Like I think, I think, 146 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 2: you know, if they're in a short yarded situation, you know, 147 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: you put nausea Harris in the back held with him 148 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 2: back there with a lot of big people and a 149 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: lot of big people. Sure, you know you run read 150 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:48,840 Speaker 2: option or you can do whatever you want. You can 151 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,160 Speaker 2: still throw out of that if you want to. 152 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 3: Push it or whatever. 153 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because you're not gonna want thirty five year 154 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: old Russell Wilson. 155 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 3: Doing those things. 156 00:06:56,839 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 2: But no, I don't know that he's shown me enough 157 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 2: that that I say, well, he has to get five 158 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 2: plays in the second quarter. 159 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 3: I don't know. I really don't have a field because 160 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: then it's hard to play against in short spots. 161 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 2: There are he is, and I get that, but I 162 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 2: also understand that there are some propensities there to put 163 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 2: the ball on the ground. 164 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 3: Oh, his turnover ratio over his career is not good. 165 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 2: Which is something that this team just doesn't want to have. 166 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 3: To deal No. No, I mean if even if it's 167 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: a box snap, if it's his fault or not, or 168 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: any little thing. Yeah, they're not equipped to give the 169 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 3: ball to the other team in their own red zone. 170 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: You know that kind of stuff too. So No, I 171 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 3: do think I would worry about the turnover factor. But 172 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 3: I think you definitely want opponents to prepare for it 173 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: during the week. Yeah, you know, but I don't know 174 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 3: how much you use it. I really don't have a 175 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 3: feel for that because the. 176 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: Other thing that you don't want to do. And I 177 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 2: thought this was really an issue with Sean Payton over 178 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 2: the years when he was he's going to Tayso Hill stuff. Yeah, 179 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 2: it's taking taking Drew Brees off the field to bring 180 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: in Taysom Hill and then having Taysom Hill chucking the ball. 181 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 2: He did it against the Steelers in twenty seventeen. They 182 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: get in their midfield and they go they try to 183 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: go deep. They'd Drew Brees standing on the sideline. They 184 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 2: got Tayson Hill thrown into the end. 185 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: One of the best passers in the league is the 186 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: one doing the yards out. I always had mixed feelings 187 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 3: about that too, you know, but I always thought, if 188 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 3: you're gonna first off, I hated how the Ravens did 189 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 3: it where Flacco wouldn't even leave the field. Yeah, you know, 190 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 3: it's like you're just gonna play ten against eleven. Now 191 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 3: that's your move. I mean, you don't even throwing it 192 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 3: to Joe or he's not running that route. But I 193 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 3: did understand putting Hill out there used to frustrate me too, Like, man, 194 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 3: why would you ever take Drew Brees in his prime, 195 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 3: who's a Hall of Famer off the field for any way, 196 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: shape or form. You know, that makes no sense to 197 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:44,439 Speaker 3: me whatsoever. But again, putting it on tape and making 198 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,080 Speaker 3: people practice it Wednesday and Thursday, there's something to be 199 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 3: said for that, because they're not practicing your outside zone 200 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: defense or whatever. 201 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 2: You know. I just think, you know, a short yard 202 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 2: is package, yeah, you know, third and two, second, one, 203 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 2: whatever it may be, and you want to use him 204 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: in those situations you really hard to saw Yeah, yeah, yeah, 205 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 2: that makes a lot of sense, and you know, kind 206 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: of supplements your running game a little bit as well. Sure, 207 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 2: with you with the runners that you have, because we 208 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: talk about it the whole the time. With Lamar Jackson. 209 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 2: You know, one of the reasons why those those Ravens 210 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 2: running running backs have averaged five yards of carry since 211 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: they've had Lamar Jackson because the linebackers can't crash. 212 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:22,280 Speaker 3: No. No, I mean there's a lot of instances in 213 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 3: history where average backs turned into good backs production wise, 214 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 3: good backs like Johnson who set the two thousand yard 215 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 3: mark with Vince Young turns into great backs or you know, 216 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 3: work done and the big hit at Duckett were with VIC. 217 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 3: I mean that was they were ripping people up. They 218 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 3: were good on their own, but they were great with VIC. Yeah, 219 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 3: it's a bit. It's a balancing though. I don't know 220 00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 3: how much to use field. I really don't. I can't 221 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 3: say that enough because I don't want to take Wilson 222 00:09:48,800 --> 00:09:49,600 Speaker 3: off the field that much. 223 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 2: Let's tuck Steelers pass rush. 224 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good. Whole defensive front was pretty impressive. Yeah. Yeah. 225 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,959 Speaker 2: And that's without Cam Hayward out there. That's without ta 226 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 2: J Watt out there, that's without Alex high Smith out there. 227 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 2: They had eleven sacks in the preseason good which tied 228 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:08,439 Speaker 2: for the league lead or. 229 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 3: Five or six of this game, right, Yeah, yeah, okay, 230 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 3: first of all, and they didn't play those guys one snap. 231 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: Not one snap and not one snap out of your 232 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 2: presume best three pass rushers. Yeah, and you had eleven. 233 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 2: That's a lot. Yeah, Nick Herbig is a force. I 234 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 2: would try to find ways. You want to talk about 235 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 2: finding ways to get a guy on the field. Yeah, absolutely, 236 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 2: And we saw some snaps from him off the ball 237 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 2: and the line of scrimmage where he's rushing from there 238 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 2: and just okay, find the quickest way to get to 239 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: the quarterback. 240 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,080 Speaker 3: TJ has even done that here and there in his career. 241 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 3: The Browns do with Miles Garrett now, they dance him 242 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,920 Speaker 3: around the in the and gaps, I mean the dance. 243 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 2: He'll stand out there and you know, play like. 244 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. But I think getting all three of those on 245 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 3: the field like they did at times with Watts Ingram 246 00:10:56,840 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 3: and yeah Smith was it heigh Smith? Yeah, Okay, I 247 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: knew they three. I was thinking that was Bud years, 248 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 3: but they've done it before. Yeah. And I don't know 249 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 3: how you keep him off the field. 250 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: I don't either, And I understand they're better at inside linebackers. 251 00:11:08,760 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 3: As well. 252 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: But if I'm going out there and it's going to 253 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 2: be you know, third and fourteen and we're just rushing 254 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 2: the passer, yeah right, I want my best guys out there, 255 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 2: and he's one of them. 256 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 3: He's one of the top three no matter where you 257 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: line him up at. For sure, Benton's really impressive. I 258 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,959 Speaker 3: think Ogan Jobi's had a great preseason as well. We've 259 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: talked about Adams. He beats up on lesser players and 260 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 3: more than holds his own against good ones, starters. You know, 261 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 3: So I think that front, like you said, the best 262 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 3: three guys haven't been out there. Maybe he's the best 263 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,640 Speaker 3: thing that happened all preseason. Yeah. I mean I didn't 264 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: realise eight eleven sacks and they didn't play any of 265 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 3: those three dudes a snap. 266 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, the pass rush looks formidable. 267 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 3: Yes, to say the least. 268 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 2: The I thought that the defensive backs covered pretty well. 269 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 2: Again overall, Yeah, yeah, there are some Hendon Hooker played 270 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 2: most of that game, and he hit some passes, like 271 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 2: from late in the third quarter on once everybody was 272 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: anybody was going to make this roster was out of 273 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: the game at that point. 274 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,439 Speaker 3: And if you're the Lions like good. That's what a 275 00:12:14,480 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: guy with his pedigree should do. And he ran for 276 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 3: like ninety some yards and when the day was over, 277 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 3: if you look at the box score, they ran for 278 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 3: like one to eighty or right right under that. But 279 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 3: it was against backups late in the game, I mean, 280 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,800 Speaker 3: when it mattered most. I thought the defense and the 281 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 3: offense were clearly favoring Steelers. 282 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:38,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure, anybody who was pushing for a 283 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: roster spot that stood out for you in a game. 284 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: I don't know if Lowry assured himself a roster spot, 285 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 3: but he played a fair amount. Mark Robinson's got more 286 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: than his chances, and I don't know that he's guaranteed one. 287 00:12:53,040 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 3: That's kind of the opposite way around. 288 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 2: So I think he will because they're going to keep 289 00:12:56,480 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 2: four inside backers, do. 290 00:12:57,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: You think so? At least I fiddled with my five 291 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 3: and I did four with Matta Kaevich and didn't have 292 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 3: Robinson all. 293 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I could. I could see five inside linebackers are 294 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: gonna keep it at least in maybe five. Maybe you 295 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 2: steal a spot. 296 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: From one of the outside backers by that's how I yeah, 297 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 3: I mean, but he was My final cut was Robinson. 298 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 3: I mean, if I would have kept one more, it'd 299 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 3: have been him. I don't know if the Nickelbacks really 300 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 3: learned a whole heck of a lot yet. I think 301 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:26,959 Speaker 3: Trice we learned enough about that. He's the three and 302 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 3: he's earned that. That's on a knock on rush, or 303 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 3: any of those guys. I like what we've seen from McCormick. 304 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to think of some of the younger 305 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 3: guys that played fair amounts. I guess Washington still qualifies. 306 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 3: But yeah, I just saw today that every snap Russell 307 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 3: Wilson took in the preseason, Washington was out there for 308 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 3: like his personal bodyguard. It's a big, big, strong dude 309 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: to protect the quarterback in any way, shape or form. 310 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: So well, the fantasy fantasy community community is going crazy 311 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: right now with the the moster. Yeah, well, he's not 312 00:13:58,160 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: playing in the preseason. 313 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 3: I laid out the usage in a podcast today. But 314 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 3: it doesn't worry me one bit, not one bit. I mean, 315 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 3: he hasn't played much in twelve, he plays in eleven, 316 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,839 Speaker 3: and he plays in thirteen. Yeah, Washington's played a lot 317 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,079 Speaker 3: more snaps with Wilson than Friarmuth. But I don't think 318 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 3: it's a knock on friar moan. 319 00:14:18,200 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: That's not gonna that's not going to necessarily be what happens. 320 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: Right, I think they wanted to get banged up, right, 321 00:14:23,560 --> 00:14:26,160 Speaker 3: and I think he's valuable, right, that's my take. 322 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 2: I mean, right now, he's probably their their second most 323 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: talented pass catcher. 324 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,640 Speaker 3: Oh I think so, yeah, So why would you you know, yeah, 325 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 3: I mean if Pickens or if the if Wilson would 326 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 3: have been out there for fifty snaps. I don't think 327 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: Pickens would have been out there for all fifty. No, 328 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It's just small sample size. 329 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 3: You can super overreact to those. 330 00:14:44,200 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: Things, yeah, which is often what happens with that. And 331 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: that's what the preseason is too. I mean again, but 332 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 2: I'm bumping Pat Friarmouth down. He's only you know, yeah, 333 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 2: go ahead. 334 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 3: And just the preseason in general. And I thought this year, 335 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 3: and even more so than ever, was less to decipher 336 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: or I would not overreact to the last three weeks 337 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 3: for any team or anyone all that much. There's stuff 338 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 3: to gain, stuff to gain there, but there's so many 339 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 3: teams not playing their guys and everyone's not game planning 340 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: and you know, so, so individual performances are important, you know, 341 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 3: one on one matchups. You know, can you cover that receiver? 342 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 3: You know, if Trice is shutting down that receiver, good 343 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 3: as we should do. Yeah. The fact they're zero and 344 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: three doesn't bother me one bit, not one bit. 345 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, So well, you know, the preseason is over. 346 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 2: Steeler is gonna practice practice it is. They practice today, 347 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: They're gonna practice on Tuesday, They're gonna practice on Wednesday, 348 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 2: and then they'll take the weekend off and be back 349 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 2: on Monday. 350 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 3: I assume there'll be fewer Steelers on Wednesday than there 351 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 3: are today. 352 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 2: There are already some fewer Steelers. Yeah, more and more 353 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,680 Speaker 2: free more cuts right now here. Coyler, McMichael, matthew Wright, 354 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: and Anderson Hardy offensive lineman. 355 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 3: Okay, so there were more this morning too. There were 356 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 3: the names you'd expect if you're looking. 357 00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 2: I was just on with Tim Benz on on one 358 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: oh five nine, and and he's like, anybody any rises 359 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: on the early cuts. 360 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: I'm like, these are the easy one. No, No, I 361 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,480 Speaker 3: mean maybe right if anything, you knew he wasn't going 362 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 3: to beat out boss, I think you do him a 363 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: favor and get him on the market earlier as possible. Right, Yeah, 364 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 3: he knew that he wasn't making this team. 365 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: Right, there was no there was no chance of that. 366 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 2: But let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson. 367 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 2: I'm Dale Lollie. You're listening to the Drive here on 368 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,880 Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. We take a break. We'll be 369 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:24,520 Speaker 2: back with more right after this. 370 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson 371 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black 372 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. 373 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 2: And we are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the 374 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. And Matt mentioned some things happening around the league. 375 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: Well ceedee lamb finally came the terms. 376 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 3: Oh really, I didn't see that? 377 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, four years I think over one hundred and 378 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 2: thirty million, one hundred millions, guarantee. Yeah, recently it was 379 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 2: this morning. How did you miss that? I don't know. 380 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 3: I'd recorded two podcasts between then too, and never saw it. 381 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 3: That is done good for them, I mean at least. 382 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 383 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:11,320 Speaker 3: So I heard Michae Lombardi a week or so ago 384 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,920 Speaker 3: talking about these cowboys that were looming out there, and 385 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 3: he said, people don't look at it from this angle, 386 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 3: but that loss in the playoffs to the Packers was 387 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 3: one of the worst in Cowboys history, and the owner 388 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 3: couldn't have been more upset about it and was not 389 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 3: going to reward his key pieces immediately after, including the 390 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 3: head coach of the quarterback, their best defensive player, and 391 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 3: their best playmaker. I don't know how much there is 392 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 3: to that. I mean, I'll take Michael Parsons and Ceedee 393 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 3: Lamb any day of the week, you know what I mean, 394 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 3: and they're worth the money. Does that mean Ayuk's gonna 395 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: do something soon here? Now? Is? I Mean I'm kind 396 00:17:49,040 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 3: of done talking about him, to be honest with you, 397 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 3: But is Chase going to do something now? 398 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,520 Speaker 2: I mean Chase was back at practice. I saw that. 399 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a different planet though than. 400 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got two years left on his deal, Like. 401 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:03,439 Speaker 3: He's parking up the wrong tree in terms of teams 402 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 3: to do that with too. 403 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand. You know, when you start seeing those 404 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,840 Speaker 2: other guys making that kind of money, you're like, yeah, 405 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 2: I'm extremely underpaid here. 406 00:18:11,480 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 3: But that's the contract your union's you know, signed. I mean, 407 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 3: that's the way it goes. 408 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 2: But the Ayuk thing is still interesting because Trent Williams 409 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 2: just told the forty nine ers he is not coming 410 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: in until his contract is adjusted. 411 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: I think he's holding out while is holding it, but. 412 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 2: He this is there's a story that just that just 413 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 2: came moved that he will not report just until he's 414 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 2: not gonna come. 415 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,560 Speaker 3: I'll pay the fines. 416 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,679 Speaker 2: And that I could just retire. 417 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, I could just not play football. Yeah, he might 418 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 3: be more valuable than Auk. He might be more valuable 419 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 3: than McCaffrey. And the way their lyne is structured, and 420 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 3: how good he's been, I would worry a little though. 421 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,000 Speaker 3: He's awesome, but he's old, and the day he signed. 422 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 3: I always worry about this O line early in the 423 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 3: year anyways, because they don't theyre not gonna play every 424 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 3: snap in the preseason or close to it. And you're 425 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:04,439 Speaker 3: gonna play every snap the day you're there. I mean, 426 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 3: an offensive lineman, doesn't matter who it is, is gonna 427 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,360 Speaker 3: play every snap from the get go, starting week one. 428 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 3: And if he hasn't done any football stuff, what are 429 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 3: you gonna get right away? Or if he holds out 430 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 3: two more weeks or whatever, So that must be priority 431 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 3: one for the Niners. Then I would think. 432 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: So. Yeah, you know, he's your starting left tackle. You 433 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 2: don't have another one, You don't know one nothing close. 434 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,120 Speaker 2: You have other receivers you can put out there. 435 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:29,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I don't love the mojo in San Francisco. 436 00:19:29,800 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 2: A lot of bad mojo, a lot of. 437 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,280 Speaker 3: Money being thrown around, a lot more worrying about me 438 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 3: than the team. Yeah, getting close and parties. Contract is looming, 439 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: and I wonder if they can do both. I mean, 440 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: can they give I you the deal he wants and 441 00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 3: Trent Williams and then have enough for party. I don't know. 442 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't know either. That's yeah, that's 443 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: their issue. 444 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, let them deal with it, dealing with it 445 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: particularly well right now. 446 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 2: No, they have not, and you know, we'll see what 447 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: happens with that. Obviously. There's there's some other things that 448 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 2: are happening around the league. Jujus ms Schuster today signs 449 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 2: with the Kansas City Chiefs. He's back now back to 450 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 2: the Chiefs. 451 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 3: Hollywood. Don't think that means Rachie Rice is getting suspended though, 452 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 3: or anything. 453 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:13,840 Speaker 2: Hollywood Brown is hurt. Yeah, they get some guys to me. 454 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 2: It makes me wonder and I would have no interest. 455 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: What's over in Cadarius Tony. 456 00:20:18,600 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: No, I mean neither. But I don't think he's an 457 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 3: make the team. 458 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: No, he's not gonna make the team. And I don't 459 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:23,680 Speaker 2: think he'll be a Steeler. 460 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 3: He doesn't. 461 00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 2: He does nothing that that this team needs. 462 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: I mean, if quarter O Patterson didn't exist and you 463 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 3: wanted to return kick, that's totally different. That's what I 464 00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 3: think he is at this point. I think he's a 465 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 3: total gadget guy. He doesn't run routes. 466 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 2: He doesn't. He's like a guy who wants to play 467 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 2: playground football. They have, they come out, they come out 468 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: and and they have the huddle. 469 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 3: Everybody didn get open. 470 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, the quarterback tells everybody what the play is and 471 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: quarter and Kadarius Tony says, I'm just gonna do what 472 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 2: I want. 473 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna run past this guy, or I'm gonna 474 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 3: switch your actions. There's no consistency at all. 475 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: Maybe or maybe he won't catch the football when you 476 00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: throw that too. 477 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 3: And he does a lot of dumb stuff on the 478 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 3: field and just unreliable stuff on the field, which is. 479 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: The one thing that NFL coaches despise. Despies despise. 480 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 3: So I know it was a new coaching staff in 481 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 3: New York. But after using a first round pick on 482 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: a guy and dumping him one year later for a third, 483 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 3: and at most it was a third, it is such 484 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: a red flag. Yeah, yeah, like we've we've known you 485 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 3: for a year and can't stand you already. We're going 486 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 3: to take a massive discount on this card if we 487 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 3: just drove off a lot that is not worth anything anymore. Yeah, 488 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 3: and then he gets cut. 489 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: But I wonder, you know if some of those other 490 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,360 Speaker 2: guys on their roster. 491 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 3: Case Yeah, okay, you know, I don't know. 492 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,479 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, are are they going to keep 493 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: seven wide receivers? 494 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 3: Maybe? I don't know how long does Brown start on Pop? 495 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 3: I haven't seen any of that stuff. We did see 496 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 3: Chubb in Miami, O'Dell in Miami, Chubb in Cleveland. Are 497 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: all supposedly going to art the season on chop like 498 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 3: on Pop that's been kind of reported. Conklin came off, 499 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: Does that mean Brown might be going on? 500 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 2: And I've heard nothing in the city. 501 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 3: I didn't think it was that bad. No, I mean 502 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,400 Speaker 3: a lot of people speculated, well, Rice must be getting suspended. No, 503 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: nothing's happened in the court yet. I mean, that's gonna 504 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 3: be next not gonna happen, That's not gonna happen, right 505 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 3: and worthy he's been playing a ton He's gonna start. 506 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: I was kinda I was kind of shocked to see 507 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 3: Juju picked up, except I think they liked them. 508 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder, you know, does sky Moore make 509 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 2: this team? 510 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 3: I don't think. I think that writings of the Wall 511 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 3: for more and. 512 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,440 Speaker 2: Tony, in which case I'd be interested in sky Moore. 513 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,119 Speaker 2: I don't you know, nothing has changed with me in 514 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: terms of liking or disliking the player. 515 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,359 Speaker 3: Right, like him coming out of school. Yeah, I mean 516 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 3: I wonder does he have a hard time learning or 517 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,240 Speaker 3: translating and coaching to the field. Is there some reason 518 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,400 Speaker 3: he's not being out there? I don't know, I mean, 519 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 3: but maybe it was just a bad fit. I would 520 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: give him another chance, Yeah, much more so than Tony. 521 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 2: And you know, even a guy like Justin Watson interest me. 522 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,399 Speaker 2: And I think he probably makes the team because he 523 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 2: does a lot of the. 524 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 3: I think he does special teams. 525 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but he'd big guy that would interest me. 526 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 3: Is I assume Juju will make the team if you 527 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 3: sign him? If yeah, right, I mean it's not like you. 528 00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 3: I think he also has knee stuff. Juju the name 529 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 3: I like best. Actually, that just popped up on one 530 00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 3: of the things I was reading today, that the Texans 531 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: would entertain trading Woods or Machi. 532 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about it. 533 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, the Woods doesn't excite me, but Mechi would, I'd 534 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: get something. I'd give something up for Macie. 535 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:31,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it wouldn't be a lot. 536 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 3: No, No, it's a second round pick that you maybe 537 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 3: give a fifth or something for. 538 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,199 Speaker 2: The Buccaneers also just released Sterling Shepherd. M hm. 539 00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,200 Speaker 3: I wonder if he's shot. He's had so many injuries, 540 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 3: a lot of injuries. Tom he's played, he's he's been 541 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 3: productantly productive, and didn't realize he was with them right 542 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: now to be Yeah, I don't know. I mean the 543 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 3: problem with picking these guys up now. 544 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 2: They're gonna have to be on your fifteen per that's 545 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 2: the thing. Unless you can sign them, unless you can 546 00:23:57,800 --> 00:23:59,239 Speaker 2: sign them to your practice one. If you could talk 547 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: to him into signing the your practice squad, than. 548 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,879 Speaker 3: Like, man, if you get sky More in your practice squad, 549 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 3: I mean, I'm doing cartwheels, because then you can fiddle 550 00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 3: with them for a week or two and be like, oh, 551 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 3: he's better, he's one of our best guys. Bring them up. 552 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,880 Speaker 3: I mean that's different. But I mean not that I'm 553 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 3: married to Scottie Miller or any of the guys that 554 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:17,400 Speaker 3: are going to be here. I think you could definitely 555 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: do better, but you just don't know them, and you 556 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 3: need these guys to play hour. Yeah, you know that 557 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: gets Harry. 558 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 2: And maybe for a guy like a sky Moore, maybe 559 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 2: you could get them on your practice squad. Maybe if 560 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: nobody else wants to sign him to their active rostered. 561 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:33,560 Speaker 3: I mean, that's his decision. Yeah, he's a true free 562 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:35,919 Speaker 3: agent if he gets caught, if nobody picks him up 563 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 3: off waivers. He's from here. 564 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 2: He's from here. Yeah knows. Mike Tomlin, Mike, you know. 565 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: I would think you're the leader in the clubhouse unless 566 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 3: he wants to go back to k C. Yeah, you know, 567 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 3: which possible. It's possible. 568 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but yeah, that just things to keep an 569 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 2: eye on. There's going to be a lot of guys. 570 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 3: There's little trades. 571 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 2: Going on over the next twenty four hours, are going 572 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 2: to be unemployees. 573 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 3: The Addles made a couple of little deals and I'm 574 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 3: not shocked at the Steelers haven't yet, but I think 575 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 3: they could, you know, be in the market for a 576 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:07,399 Speaker 3: slot corner receiver or something like that too. Yeah. Nothing 577 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: nothing shattering, probably not, probably not. I don't think all 578 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 3: of a sudden I's gonna end up here Davante Adams 579 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,680 Speaker 3: or anything like that. But interesting. I mean the league is. 580 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 3: What I can tell you is the front offices are 581 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 3: as busy right now at any point in the season. 582 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 3: I mean they're they're making cuts that they're bringing in 583 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 3: all their guys telling them, sorry, you're out. I mean, 584 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 3: there's a lot of that stuff going on. The facility 585 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 3: is busy in the top floor right now. Yeah. 586 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 2: Sheldon White, who's the Steelers director of pro scouting, Yeah, 587 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: probably spend a lot of time in Omar Khan's office 588 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: right now. 589 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: You know, and all his guys are Man this, I 590 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 3: think there's a borderline chance that this guard gets cut, 591 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 3: and man, that would be a mistake. But they have 592 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 3: won too many or you know, that's the conversations everyone's having. 593 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and hey, what do you think of this guy? 594 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,879 Speaker 2: What's our what's our report on such and such, or 595 00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: how's you know, how's this guy. 596 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,560 Speaker 3: So I think we had this conversation Friday, but I 597 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 3: fiddled around. I put my fifty three together for the Steelers, 598 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 3: and there's about three of them on there that if 599 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 3: I can improve upon, so be it. You know, like 600 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,000 Speaker 3: I don't I think this roster is better than last year. 601 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 3: But at this time the last few years, there's been 602 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 3: two or three that I cut that I didn't want 603 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:18,720 Speaker 3: to cut, you know what I mean. And this year 604 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 3: there's two or three on the roster where I'm like, 605 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: maybe could do better, you know, a slot corner, a receiver. 606 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: You know. Well, let's go over your fifty three right now. 607 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: I'll tell you where I agree and where I disagree. 608 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:31,639 Speaker 2: All right, So you have three quarterbacks Wilson Fields Allen, 609 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 2: no problem there. Three running backs Najee Harris, Warren Patterson, 610 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: no problem there. Yeah, you have a fullback Jack Coleto. 611 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,399 Speaker 2: He ain't making it, you know what I'm thinking. Nope, 612 00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 2: this is who I would keep off my knowledge. And 613 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,560 Speaker 2: I'll preface this by saying, I don't know if he's 614 00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 2: good on special teams or not. 615 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 3: I mean, I know he's I. 616 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 2: Don't think he's good enough to warrant having a spot 617 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,120 Speaker 2: and taking one away from somebody else. 618 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 3: Okay, well that's fine. I just wonder who you keep 619 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,680 Speaker 3: in front. I bet Mark Robinson be your name, because 620 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 3: he's not on my list. 621 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would probably because Robinson is valuable, and especially 622 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 2: I know Robinson has more value on teams. 623 00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 3: So do you think the fullback stuff is going to 624 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:11,240 Speaker 3: go away? No? 625 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,680 Speaker 2: I think Michael Prewitt or Hayward. 626 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I'm blowing me away. I just thought 627 00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 3: that they wanted a true fullback. 628 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: And maybe they sawnone from somewhere else. 629 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 3: They're not hard to find. 630 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 2: Uh, Pickens, Jefferson, Austin Miller, and Roman Wilson at wide receiver. 631 00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 632 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Five, Yes, I don't have a problem with that. You 633 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 2: don't think they'll keep six? I don't believe. Say I 634 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 2: don't because you're going to keep four tight ends and 635 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 2: you don't think Wilson's going to start on pop or 636 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: anything like that. I don't either. No, Friarmouth, Washington, Hayward 637 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: Prewit at tight end, Yeah, no problem. 638 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,359 Speaker 3: There no chance to keep the fifth guy. If you 639 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: don't keep a full back five tight ends is crazy? 640 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:57,399 Speaker 2: Yeah? Uh Jones, Fatanu Moore Daniels say Amalu, Fraser, Anderson McCormick, Cook, 641 00:27:58,160 --> 00:27:58,800 Speaker 2: Cooks the one. 642 00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 3: It's a tough one. 643 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 2: Cooked is like because he's in a walking boot. 644 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 3: Oh that I didn't know he could be out. 645 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,359 Speaker 2: He could be out a few weeks here, so he 646 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:08,320 Speaker 2: could end up starting. 647 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 3: That might be a good pup candidate. Actually, yeah, because 648 00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:13,919 Speaker 3: then he's That might make him even more appealing to me, 649 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,440 Speaker 3: because you don't want to use him for a while. Anyways, 650 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 3: I'm assuming, Well, I guess I shouldn't assume. I mean, 651 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 3: do we know how many tackles will be healthy for 652 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,240 Speaker 3: week one? Do they have to go find one? Now? 653 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: I don't know because you kept them? 654 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean his swing ability is strong. Okay, 655 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,760 Speaker 3: so you would you keep McCullum if it's not Cook? 656 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,160 Speaker 2: I don't know that I would keep an extra lineman. 657 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Again, I have a hard time only who 658 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: else I keep? Though, again the bottom of the rod, 659 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: there's not I didn't cut a lot of guys. I 660 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,000 Speaker 3: was super psyched. 661 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: About defensive line. You have Hayward, Benton, Ogunjobi Adams, Lowry, 662 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: Louder Milk, and Leel. 663 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. And I also put Olb next to Leal just 664 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 3: because I'm only gonna keep three of those. Yeah, I 665 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 3: didn't want to cut Lee, but I think you can 666 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,160 Speaker 3: get him on the practice squad and they don't do enough, 667 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 3: I mean to those guys will probably be inactive. I 668 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 3: don't love louder Milk either. He's another one of those 669 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 3: last three where it's. 670 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 2: Like man coach seems seems to like him though. 671 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 3: I actually thought he played well this week, But I 672 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: think you can live without him. Do you think those 673 00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:22,760 Speaker 3: guys will make it? Yeah? I think so. 674 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 2: Okay, outside linebacker Lee, he's another tough one because I 675 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 2: think he's banged up right now. 676 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean not the people, I mean all teams for. 677 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 2: Six round draft pick. 678 00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't think Anyon's gonna pick 679 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: him up. 680 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 2: Outside linebacker Watt high Smith Herbick three. 681 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, with Lee, like the Cam Haywards or Conne or 682 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: Hayward situation. If you don't think Coleto's gonna make it, 683 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 3: or you don't keep Cook, would you consider Wedmin or 684 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 3: something like that someone like that. 685 00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's where that's where you could get 686 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 2: a special team one of those guys on because it 687 00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:07,800 Speaker 2: inside linebacker. You have Queen Wilson, Roberts, Mettakaevich. I think, yeah, 688 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 2: he was again, he was my last cut. If we 689 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 2: were allowed to keep fifty four to Ben Robinson, you 690 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: have Fitzpatrick, Elliott, KZ, Killer, Brew and Watts at safety. 691 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 3: Kept more defensive backs than I wanted. Can never have enough. 692 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 3: That's that was my logic behind it. And I don't 693 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 3: think the Nickel thing has sorted itself out enough for 694 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 3: me to be'd be, you know, confident with that. 695 00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:33,880 Speaker 2: At cornerback you have Porter Jackson, Trice, Rush, Bishop and 696 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 2: Graham six corners. I think it killed. 697 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 3: Eleven d backs, which is more than usual. 698 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I've seen him do that in the past. 699 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 3: It's not crazy. I mean, because we don't we can't 700 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 3: be super thrilled with the gunners. We can't be super 701 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 3: thrilled with the slots. That's where I got the extra guy. Yeah. 702 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 2: I think the gunners started to sort itself out a 703 00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:52,120 Speaker 2: little bit. 704 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 3: Tends to Yeah, And I don't think Miller's gona be 705 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: want of them, no, you know, but he's gonna be 706 00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 3: on it by I have him making the team. 707 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Boswell Johnstons. 708 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 3: Okay, so I didn't think about the cook injury thing. 709 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 3: I din't know what to do with coleto. I just 710 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: saw so many snaps in camp with the truth. 711 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,680 Speaker 2: But they went down and down, and they did go 712 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 2: down and down. 713 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 3: But his special team stuff went up and up and 714 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,320 Speaker 3: up in games. 715 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 2: They're trying to give him a chance to just do why. 716 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 3: I didn't know the answer. Yeah, did he pass the 717 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:17,800 Speaker 3: test or not? 718 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't think he did. 719 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 3: Okay, Okay, I could be wrong. 720 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't think he did. 721 00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,479 Speaker 3: Because he's gonna have to be out there. Yeah, if 722 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,040 Speaker 3: he's not a special team or he has no you 723 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: have no chance. You can't make no chance. 724 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 2: Let's get through another break. He is the Matt Williamson. 725 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,040 Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly your listening room on. 726 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: That roster for people outside the organization. 727 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, where was I at you? 728 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 3: I just jumped in on, jump right in there. Well, 729 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 3: we're gonna take a minute. 730 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 2: We're gonna take it. We're gonna take a break. We'll 731 00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 2: be back in a minute. You're listening to the Drive 732 00:31:44,800 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 2: here on the Steelers Audio Network. 733 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:54,959 Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on 734 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven Home of the Black and 735 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: gold Steelers Nation. 736 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: Radio and we are back. I'm Dale Lalli. He is 737 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:08,240 Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson. This is to drive on the Steelers 738 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 2: Audio network and Matt we will referenced this a number 739 00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: of times with Mike. Sando from the Athletic has released 740 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 2: his quarterback tiers list. This is not his thinking on this. 741 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: This is no from GM's coaches around the league. He 742 00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: pulls them. They put the quarterbacks in what tier they think, 743 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 2: and then he get He tallies up the votes and 744 00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 2: you figure out where guys are ranked. 745 00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 3: At exactly exactly. And he does it every year. It's 746 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 3: one of the most popular athletic things that they put 747 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 3: out all year long. I actually texted him this morning. 748 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,120 Speaker 3: He's gonna join us on my podcast tomorrow. Sando's a 749 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 3: good dude, you know him. But I have not read 750 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:44,680 Speaker 3: these yet. So that's one of my projects for tonight 751 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 3: to prepare for tomorrow's podcast, and I figured we'd go 752 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 3: through them anyway. 753 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, Voluntier one leading the list. Patrick Mahomes sure. 754 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 3: I did see the number two was, and I didn't 755 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 3: quite agree with it. 756 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. 757 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 3: I would have Allen had a Burrow, but the turnovers 758 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 3: for Allan way on people. 759 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you have Josh Allen. Okay, then you have 760 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 2: that's it for tier one. 761 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 3: Okay. I was curious where he cuts things off, and 762 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 3: it's all just I think that these gms and people 763 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 3: in the league that you either put a one, two, three, four, five. Yeah, 764 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 3: he just adds them all up, and wherever your average 765 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 3: score is is where he draws a line on the tiers. 766 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,640 Speaker 2: Tier two leading that is Lamar Jackson. 767 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,120 Speaker 3: I have no problem with that. 768 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: I'm just looking here at the votes. Jackson got twenty 769 00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 2: three Tier one votes, twenty six Tier two votes, one 770 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: tier three vote. 771 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 3: Can you imagine giving the MVP a Tier three Yeah, 772 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 3: I mean I could see getting more Tier twos than ones, 773 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 3: but twenty three Tier one votes is an awful lot. Yeah, 774 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 3: I think he deserve it. 775 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 2: Tier five or I'm sorry, number five here, and there's 776 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: a tie. There is Matthew Stafford. 777 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 3: He is a great respect around the league, and I 778 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:54,719 Speaker 3: totally get it. 779 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:56,720 Speaker 2: He's tied with Justin Herbert. 780 00:33:57,240 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 3: Okay, I think if you're a tape watcher in all 781 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 3: twenty two studier, you appreciate Herbert more than if you're 782 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,360 Speaker 3: a fantasy player or just judge them like things. 783 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 2: Like wins and losses and things. 784 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, I mean 785 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,400 Speaker 3: you can see why people think he leaves something to 786 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 3: be desired. 787 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,960 Speaker 2: There's talent there, it just doesn't always add up to 788 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 2: wins and losses. Sometimes because of him and what he does. 789 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes I think he's more the engine than he is 790 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:29,400 Speaker 3: the Oh. 791 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 2: I don't disagree. Yeah, but there are times when and 792 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: again don't know what he's being asked to do, sometimes 793 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,560 Speaker 2: just superman stuff, and sometimes he doesn't get it done. 794 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 3: No, no, he had, he usually doesn't get it done. Yeah. 795 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 3: I mean. 796 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 2: Also in that tier, Aaron Rodgers, that's moving him down 797 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 2: from tier one. 798 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,160 Speaker 3: So Sander's been doing this a long time. And even 799 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,520 Speaker 3: Rogers worst years with the Packers, like when they're drafting 800 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 3: Jordan Love. I mean, Rogers wasn't a great player when 801 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 3: they drafted Jordan Love and all of a sudden lit 802 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,439 Speaker 3: a fire under him. He would always still be really 803 00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 3: high on this, Like I think GMS and people like 804 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:11,359 Speaker 3: that are just never going to doubt him. 805 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,800 Speaker 2: CJ. Stroud in that. 806 00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 3: Tier, I think that's fair. I mean, I'm how you 807 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,200 Speaker 3: judged CJ. Stroud against Aaron Rodgers, But I mean that's fair. 808 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 2: So he got twenty three Tier one votes, eighteen Tier 809 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:26,839 Speaker 2: two votes and Tier one's high criteria, seven Tier three 810 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 2: votes and two Tier four votes. 811 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:32,400 Speaker 3: Come on, man, here four, I mean I get the 812 00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 3: old school curmudgeony GM saying oh he isn't he needs 813 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 3: to do it for a couple of years. But Tier four. 814 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 2: Dak Prescott in Tier two. These are still Tier two guys. 815 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. 816 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 2: Jared Goff number ten, he's in Tier two. 817 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:52,399 Speaker 3: Had good years, but I don't know that I would 818 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,400 Speaker 3: have him with the rest of these guys mentioned. 819 00:35:54,800 --> 00:36:00,160 Speaker 2: Yeah Goff, you're looking at He got two Tier one votes, 820 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 2: thirty six Tier two votes, twelve Tier threes and that 821 00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:04,600 Speaker 2: was it. 822 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,399 Speaker 3: Thirty six out of fifty votes for in the Tier 823 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:09,160 Speaker 3: two Yes. 824 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jalen Hurts also in tier two. That moves up. 825 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:15,600 Speaker 2: He was a here three guy last year? 826 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 3: Was he Okay? I think he was. I thought he 827 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 3: was higher on the list than this last year. Here 828 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,400 Speaker 3: two is pretty bulky. Yeah. 829 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,439 Speaker 2: Uh Number twelve brock Purty okay, still Tier two, still 830 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,400 Speaker 2: Tier two. Perty got no Tier one votes. That's fair, 831 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,720 Speaker 2: thirty four Tier two votes, sixteen Tier three votes. 832 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,920 Speaker 3: Oh, Tier two seems easier to get into than it 833 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,759 Speaker 3: used to be. That's a knock on either any of 834 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:45,680 Speaker 3: those guys. But I mean that's a lot of votes 835 00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:46,839 Speaker 3: for those guys in Tier two. 836 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 2: Thirteen. Kirk Cousins also in Tier two. 837 00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 3: Okay, I mean I think he's more of a Tier 838 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:52,080 Speaker 3: two guy than Perty. 839 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: He got, uh look at no Tier ones, thirty one 840 00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 2: Tier two's nineteen Tier three. Yeah, so there's fifty votes 841 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 2: total and then well fourteen fourteen guys in those top 842 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,280 Speaker 2: two tiers. Jordan Love also in that tier. And also 843 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 2: that bothers me a little bit because I love Jordan Love. 844 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,560 Speaker 2: I think I think he might be a good player 845 00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 2: here did it for half the season. 846 00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,760 Speaker 3: I would say that's different than Stroud. I mean Stroud 847 00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,200 Speaker 3: came in as a rookie, started and lit it up 848 00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 3: for a whole season. Love might have just got hot, right, Yeah, 849 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,439 Speaker 3: I mean I really liked what he saw the tape. 850 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:29,960 Speaker 3: Is it was really just a final like six games, right, 851 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,680 Speaker 3: because the first half of the season wasn't like that 852 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:33,040 Speaker 3: at all. 853 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 2: Somebody gave him a Tier one vote, Oh, he got 854 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: twenty five Tier twos, he got twenty three Tier threes, 855 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 2: he got a Tier four vote. 856 00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 3: Doesn't shock me. He got a Tier four. I am 857 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 3: a little shock he got a Tier one. Yeah. Yeah, 858 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 3: I mean that's high praise over the years. 859 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 2: In Tier three, leading the way at number fifteen to 860 00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: a Tago via Loola. 861 00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,960 Speaker 3: Okay, he's not much different than Perdy to me, though, No, 862 00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 3: I mean they're only a couple of spots away. But 863 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 3: the tier break. 864 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 2: At sixteen Trevor Lawrence, Okay in Tier three, I was 865 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: a little shocked he was at low. But he got 866 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 2: a lot of bad stuff. Yeah yeah, no Tier one votes. 867 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 2: Eighteen Tier two, thirty two, Tier three. 868 00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,440 Speaker 3: Okay, so I think he's closer to Herbert than he 869 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,600 Speaker 3: is toua es actually talented and what he could be, 870 00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 3: you know. Seventeen is Kyler Murray, Okay, he's the onely 871 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,959 Speaker 3: I mean showed up for half a year. Yeah, after 872 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,960 Speaker 3: missing time, I would bet he goes the other direction, 873 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 3: goes up. 874 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,440 Speaker 2: Eighteen Deshaun Watson. 875 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I remember I just breezed through these and thought 876 00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,359 Speaker 3: that guy screams Tier four to. 877 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:48,320 Speaker 2: Me, he got no Tier ones, thirteen Tier two votes. 878 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,000 Speaker 2: But these guys who are like living in the past. 879 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I don't think he's ever been a 880 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 3: Tier one guy. I've paid attention to this every year, 881 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 3: and even his best days, I don't think he got 882 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,399 Speaker 3: Tier one votes. Yeah, I think he's still a Tier 883 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 3: two guy. 884 00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,160 Speaker 2: When he hasn't played that way in five years. 885 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 3: As the five years ago version he got to water 886 00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 3: it down from that. 887 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,800 Speaker 2: Tier three got thirty five votes and then he got 888 00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:12,160 Speaker 2: two Tier four votes. 889 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 3: See, that's what's odd to me. It's only two tier fours. 890 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what he's put on tape. 891 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:19,320 Speaker 3: That's what he's been as a Brown. 892 00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. At nineteen is Baker Mayfield? Okay, which is kind 893 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:25,480 Speaker 2: of ironic. 894 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right? What if we just stuck with 895 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 3: this guy and didn't invest like crazy and we had 896 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 3: all those first round picks still and right? 897 00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:36,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mayfield got ten Tier twos, thirty nine Tier threes 898 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:37,479 Speaker 2: in one Tier four. 899 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:39,920 Speaker 3: I think he's like the definition of a three. 900 00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: Derek Carr at twenty, he's tied for twenty. 901 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,800 Speaker 3: Got better as the season went on, no one noticed, 902 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,480 Speaker 3: but it was still a lot to check Down's conservative stuff. Yeah. 903 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:53,360 Speaker 2: With the Saints tied with Geno Smith, okay, I no. 904 00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 3: Problem that they're about to say to me. 905 00:39:55,840 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 2: At twenty two and tier three Russell Wilson, what do 906 00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: they say about him so that some of the quotes 907 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:06,880 Speaker 2: are and again they talked, he talks to the guys 908 00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:12,239 Speaker 2: that vote, honestly the first guy in. An assistant GM said, 909 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,040 Speaker 2: I would not be surprised if he has success in 910 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 2: Pittsburgh because of the culture and the system. Okay, that's 911 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,880 Speaker 2: an assistant GM to me, he would be a five 912 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 2: if he wasn't with Tomlin. An offensive coordinator said, Tomlin 913 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,240 Speaker 2: is a psychologist. He can push the right buttons. However 914 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 2: good Russell Wilson can be Mike Tomlin will figure it out. 915 00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: A lot of proof to that. Yeah, on Tomlin's behalf. 916 00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 2: Another coach, This is from a head coach. I didn't 917 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: think that it would go well with Sean Peyton. I 918 00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 2: feel the bad for all the scrutinies face, some of 919 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 2: which he brings on himself. I just don't think he 920 00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,280 Speaker 2: sees the field well. I see a guy that played 921 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,440 Speaker 2: a certain way and was able to do at a 922 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,640 Speaker 2: high level for a certain period of time, and I 923 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,840 Speaker 2: just don't think he has that kind of athleticism to 924 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:55,840 Speaker 2: play that way anymore. 925 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:57,440 Speaker 3: Okay. 926 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,800 Speaker 2: Another head coach that he thought Wilson good enough to 927 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 2: get you in and out of games the very uh. 928 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 2: And then finally, a defensive coordinator said, when you look 929 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,919 Speaker 2: up the stats in Denver, Russ did not play bad. 930 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 2: He just wasn't a good fit for Sewan. Let's see 931 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 2: what he does this year. He can throw the deep ball, boy, 932 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:17,279 Speaker 2: he can can he throw the deep ball? 933 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:20,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah. And one thing that's not that I don't 934 00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 3: disagree with is but I don't know is I know 935 00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,400 Speaker 3: he's not the athlete he was in the Legion of 936 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 3: Boom years, of course. I mean he was one of 937 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 3: the most mobile quarterbacks in the league at that point 938 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,000 Speaker 3: when he was a young player. Now we opened the 939 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 3: show talking about like fields and what you do with him. 940 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:38,880 Speaker 3: And he's actually on this list too, he made and 941 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:41,600 Speaker 3: he has had two quarterbacks on the list. I don't 942 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 3: think I'm like designing runs for Wilson or anything. But 943 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,359 Speaker 3: I don't know what kind of athlete he is. I mean, 944 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,120 Speaker 3: he has not done athletic things in a Steeler uniform, 945 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,439 Speaker 3: and he had a calf injury for much of the time. 946 00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,560 Speaker 3: I know he can move, I don't know if he 947 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 3: can move great, if he can move not so great. 948 00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 3: I just don't know. 949 00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,879 Speaker 2: I feel pretty confident he moves better than Kenny pick 950 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 2: It did or any of the Steelers quarterbacks last year. 951 00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:06,480 Speaker 3: I mean definitely right. I saw that in the spring. Yeah, 952 00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 3: he moves better than those guys. I do think they're 953 00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:13,720 Speaker 3: going to do more than we've seen. Designed rollouts getting 954 00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,919 Speaker 3: him out of the pocket, that kind of stuff throw 955 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,120 Speaker 3: on the move. He's always been good at. 956 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,080 Speaker 2: Uh. He's the last guy in Tier three, Tier four 957 00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 2: leading the way. 958 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones. Okay, he's an easy one to criticize, and 959 00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,799 Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's good, But now he actually has 960 00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,120 Speaker 3: a receiver too, you know, I mean, like, give him, 961 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:34,239 Speaker 3: give him something. They're they're all aligned with so bad 962 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:34,919 Speaker 3: last year too. 963 00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 2: Twenty four is justin fields. 964 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,799 Speaker 3: Okay, what do they say about fields? 965 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: Uh? 966 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,279 Speaker 2: Fields is hard to go hard to go against. A 967 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator said, he can win you games if you 968 00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,439 Speaker 2: play complimentary football and you've got a running game going, 969 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,719 Speaker 2: you get play actions keepers. I kind of want to 970 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:50,400 Speaker 2: give him a three, but he ain't gonna win you 971 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 2: games dropping back. 972 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,879 Speaker 3: Not yet. No, That's what I said, Right, He's hard 973 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,840 Speaker 3: to play against. I say that all the time. By fields. 974 00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 2: Another league executive said, I can see people putting him 975 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,440 Speaker 2: as a but if you have a good run game, 976 00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,719 Speaker 2: he's part of the run game you can win. I 977 00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 2: don't want to play him because of the way he 978 00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,520 Speaker 2: can I don't want to play him because of the 979 00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,920 Speaker 2: way he can run a football. He is a dimension 980 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 2: in this league. He's a dimension that this league doesn't have. 981 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 2: He's Jalen hurts On nitro glycerin, fast, strong, physical, tough. 982 00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,120 Speaker 2: I would not give up on him. 983 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,360 Speaker 3: There's a lot there. Yeah. I mean again, hard to 984 00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:24,479 Speaker 3: play against is not a term to gets thrown around 985 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:24,959 Speaker 3: in this league. 986 00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 2: He got twenty he got one Tier two vote? Did 987 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,320 Speaker 2: he twenty Tier threes? Twenty five Tier fours? And five 988 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 2: or four Tier fives? 989 00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,080 Speaker 3: I should say okay, I mean that definitely doesn't hurt 990 00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,640 Speaker 3: his cause when you're voting that, you know he's not 991 00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 3: gonna be a starter. 992 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Gardner Minshew at twenty five. Yeah, Anthony Richardson at twenty. 993 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:50,280 Speaker 3: Six incomplete, right, he did know very good preseason. 994 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:55,520 Speaker 2: Will Levis at twenty six, tied with rich Richardson. Yeah, Richardson, Will, 995 00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: you're souring on his little bit. 996 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 3: It's getting a little fragile. Yeah, I mean he's not 997 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 3: completing passes. He's not a good thrower of the footnoight, no, no. 998 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 3: Bryce Young at twenty eight. Sam Darnold at twenty played 999 00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,800 Speaker 3: one series this preseason. Yeah, what do you do that? 1000 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:14,480 Speaker 3: Like bothers me? You don't think he needs work. He's 1001 00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:15,560 Speaker 3: the worst quarterback in league. 1002 00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 2: Last year, Jakobe said at thirty. 1003 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,560 Speaker 3: Okay, I didn't do anything with the rookies, and that 1004 00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,040 Speaker 3: is it. They ranked thirty. Okay, yeah, so it must 1005 00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,840 Speaker 3: have been a couple of starters that didn't get mentioned. 1006 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:28,239 Speaker 2: Well there's some ties in there too. 1007 00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:32,600 Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, okay, gotcha, nothing too crazy. I'm gonna 1008 00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 3: read the whole thing and figure out stuff to mention 1009 00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 3: the Sando tomorrow. You know what seemed like Tier two 1010 00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 3: was really bulky. 1011 00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,560 Speaker 2: This year, more so than most. 1012 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't know that the state of quarterback 1013 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 3: is way better than it's been. 1014 00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 2: Probably not, you know, probably not. 1015 00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,640 Speaker 3: But you know a lot of young guys again, nobody. 1016 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 2: It's not like you guys are looking at this and 1017 00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,799 Speaker 2: go on, well, how many guys can I get into 1018 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,799 Speaker 2: this tier? You're voting on how you feel the players are. 1019 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:01,719 Speaker 3: Back to Wilson, if he plays like a Tier two guy, 1020 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,120 Speaker 3: not the top the best one in tier two. Yeah, 1021 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:05,480 Speaker 3: series will win a lot of games. 1022 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 2: If he plays like a Tier three guy. 1023 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they should win a lot of games. See, I'm 1024 00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,120 Speaker 3: almost just expecting that. Yeah, Yeah, I can guess. Yeah, 1025 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:16,919 Speaker 3: I mean I think he'll be a Tier three guy. 1026 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,400 Speaker 3: I do think it'll be interesting. Like when they played Denver. 1027 00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,080 Speaker 3: I'm sure Denver will do everything to make sure he 1028 00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:24,920 Speaker 3: stays in the pocket, you know what I mean, and 1029 00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,640 Speaker 3: has to throw amongst the trees and the knocks, which 1030 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,800 Speaker 3: are valid. Over the years, is the game has changed 1031 00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 3: in ways that hasn't helped him, you know, because everyone's 1032 00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,919 Speaker 3: playing too high. No one's allowing the deep ball, so 1033 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,600 Speaker 3: one of his best assets, the deep ball, isn't as 1034 00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:43,520 Speaker 3: potent as it was early in his career. 1035 00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 2: Well, let's just look here real quick at the other 1036 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:54,800 Speaker 2: guys who are in Tier three, Okay, Tuah, Trevor, Lawrence Kyler, 1037 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,720 Speaker 2: Murray Sean Watson. 1038 00:45:58,280 --> 00:45:58,920 Speaker 3: That's a weird one. 1039 00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield, Derek carr Gino Smith, and Russell Wilson. Ok 1040 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,360 Speaker 2: those guys in that group. There's a lot of playoff 1041 00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:11,399 Speaker 2: quarterbacks in that group. 1042 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 3: True, I see what you're saying. Like their teams have 1043 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,960 Speaker 3: had success. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 1044 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,319 Speaker 2: So if you have a good team around them, you 1045 00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 2: know you can you can make runs in the playoffs. 1046 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,920 Speaker 3: Two of those names, Murray and Lawrence, stand out to 1047 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:26,680 Speaker 3: me is I don't know if they'll be in Tier 1048 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 3: three for long. Yeah, you know what I mean, Like 1049 00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,440 Speaker 3: their first overall picks, they probably should just still be 1050 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 3: in tiers right, right. They've had things their fault and 1051 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 3: not why they're still in three. 1052 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:36,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1053 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 3: I mean those are two that if I had to 1054 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,279 Speaker 3: bet jump up the tier two, I would put a 1055 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:43,760 Speaker 3: chip on those two. Yeah. 1056 00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely, let's get to another break that's going to do 1057 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,640 Speaker 2: it for our number one of the drive here on 1058 00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and Now will be back 1059 00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,279 Speaker 2: with our number two right after this