WEBVTT - S1: EP 3 — Living in a Real-Life Horror Film 0:00:15.600 --> 0:00:19.240 Hello, my haunting honies. I've been looking forward to getting 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:23.680 back in the booth all week. It's been a while, 0:00:23.720 --> 0:00:27.120 I think maybe longer, or maybe it hasn't been long 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:32.239 at all. The linearity of time is hard to grasp here, 0:00:34.360 --> 0:00:37.800 so we'll just say a week. I've been waiting to 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.960 tell everyone that I'm finally getting the hang of the haunt. 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.199 My first few weeks in purgatory, I was so like, 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:48.000 where am I I'm dead? Kill me! Oh wait ha-ha. 0:00:48.360 --> 0:00:51.120 But now I'm really getting my sea legs, kind of 0:00:51.159 --> 0:00:53.479 like the time I got motion sickness on Leo's yacht. 0:00:54.880 --> 0:00:57.080 Until the Aparall Sprints' and Dramamine kicked in. 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.240 Fine. It was a pontoon boat called the DiCaprio and 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.800 the captain's name was Leonard, whatever. Point is, after being 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:08.880 in perg for a while, I've learned you can just pop 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:13.440 in on whoever, whenever. Len, do you ever pop in 0:01:13.480 --> 0:01:14.040 on the living? 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:15.319 (mumbles) 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.040 Your wife? Okay, sad. 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:22.520 I've found it's fun to pop in on the people 0:01:22.520 --> 0:01:25.759 who are least expecting it. It's like crashing a party. 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.280 At first, everyone's confused, then freaked out, then they demand 0:01:30.319 --> 0:01:32.840 you leave but at least the next day they've got 0:01:32.840 --> 0:01:36.199 a great little story to tell. Like our next guest, Jill, 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.520 whose weekend in the woods was ruined by a paranormal 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:40.360 party crasher. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:49.559 We're driving up the mountain and it's so much later 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:52.760 than we'd expected, and so it was already much darker. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:58.280 And then, out of nowhere, this figure all of a 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:02.440 sudden appears in the middle of the road. All of 0:02:02.520 --> 0:02:03.400 us were terrified. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:07.200 I'm Jill, and I felt like I was living in 0:02:07.200 --> 0:02:11.160 a real- life horror film. 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:14.240 At the time, I was part of an event bartending company. 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:19.920 We would host events from weddings to Oscars parties, to 0:02:20.760 --> 0:02:26.160 Halloween parties to these retreats, and we would curate cocktails 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:29.959 specifically for the event and show up and be part 0:02:30.000 --> 0:02:31.320 of the entertainment, per se. 0:02:33.639 --> 0:02:37.400 It was five years ago. We were hired to host 0:02:37.440 --> 0:02:42.680 and provide the bar experience at Camp Navarro for these 0:02:42.800 --> 0:02:49.239 camping and outdoorsy social media influencers. The atmosphere of Camp 0:02:49.280 --> 0:02:53.840 Navarro lent itself to be just utterly stunning. Camp Navarro 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:57.760 is in northern California, which is right around the Sequoia 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:03.160 National Forests, where you have the largest trees: redwoods, sequoias. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:08.960 It's beautiful. It's perfect weather. It was right in early fall; 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.720 at night, there was just a hint of crispness in the air. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:24.720 There were twelve of us going, actors, models and musicians. 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:30.240 You know, this is one of our side hustles. Nine 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.760 of us rode in the sprinter van, and three rode 0:03:34.840 --> 0:03:37.200 in the front of the box car truck that held 0:03:37.200 --> 0:03:37.880 all the supplies. 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:46.600 About two- thirds of the way up there, the box 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.920 car truck realized they'd missed some supplies, so they ended 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.920 up pulling off, and so that made everyone start to 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:57.240 get a little nervous, just because we didn't know exactly 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.960 where we were going, and you don't like to set 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:05.560 right the group. We were already behind schedule because we're 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:12.480 from Los Angeles, and we're always late. As we're going 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.560 around the mountain, it's pitch dark, and so you're going, of course, 0:04:16.000 --> 0:04:20.400 quite slowly. Off to the side, like down the slope, 0:04:20.440 --> 0:04:26.240 you start to see these eyes glinting. There's something that 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:30.400 is staring at us, and it's not just one or two. 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.400 You just kind of see these little flashes just looking 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:41.159 at us, and it's so eerie. And then out of nowhere, 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:50.200 three deer jumped across, almost hitting our sprinter van. Everything 0:04:50.200 --> 0:04:53.760 comes to a screeching hall. We all lurch forward. 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:58.440 There has been an entire herd of deer staring at us. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:05.200 They're wild animals in the forest, but this was weird. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:13.600 It's like they were welcoming us ominously, which was terrifying. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:19.440 We continue driving. It's pitch dark, but at this point, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:23.839 we don't know where we are, nor does anyone have cell-service. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.760 Nobody had printed out a map, so we're relying on 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.760 the old data that is left on somebody's phone to 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:35.080 make sure that we're kind of going in that general direction. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.960 We realized we'd passed a camp. Okay, so we back up. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:45.120 As we're entering into the main entrance, this shadowy figure 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:47.320 appears in the middle of the road. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:57.120 It was this really old country man with a hat, long 0:05:57.160 --> 0:06:05.839 white beard, cowboy boots, and a trench coat. All of 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:08.919 us were terrified. We were like, do you have a 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:11.240 hook on one hand? Are you going to kill us? 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:17.200 But then he motioned us to enter the camp. He 0:06:17.279 --> 0:06:21.760 was like, are you the bartenders? He was the maintenance 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:25.080 worker for Camp Navarro, so we were in the right place. 0:06:25.360 --> 0:06:30.400 But truly, this is not a good sign. I was 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:32.720 sitting in the back of the sprinter ban going, well, 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.400 this feels like at the beginning of a horror film. 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:39.560 All these really pretty people driving up to this random 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:43.240 job that nobody knows them. We could just easily be 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:44.760 picked off. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:49.840 The scary old maintenance worker at the camp then directed 0:06:49.920 --> 0:06:54.000 us into the main clubhouse, where we would unload everything 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:57.600 and finally meet the event organizers. 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:02.480 We had been told that we were sleeping in the 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:07.080 main staff house, but we ended up being put in 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:14.000 the main cabins. They tried to make it sound like 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:18.000 it was really a step up, but we were like, 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:23.520 this will be fine. And the organizers said, oh, you're 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:28.560 cabin number thirteen. Of course we're in cabin number thirteen. 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.320 That old man was terrifying, and now we're in cabin thirteen. 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:33.440 Sounds right. 0:07:34.800 --> 0:07:39.320 Well, all of us grab our things to trot ourselves 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.560 down to cabin thirteen. It's a traditional camp log cabin. 0:07:46.200 --> 0:07:54.040 Just imagine the creaky door sound as you push the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:54.600 door in. 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.400 There are two sets of bunkbeds immediately on either side 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:05.440 of the door, and then more sets lining the sides. 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:11.560 Directly across from the open door is a big full length- mirror. 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:16.120 There was no hallway, no bathroom. You had to trek 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.800 through the forest to get to the large main bathroom, 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:21.680 and it was a good like two- minute walk in 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:25.120 the dark with people you don't know around you. Which 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.960 as any woman who has ever been taught anything it's like, 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.040 you don't go anywhere by yourself in the dark with 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:32.760 people you don't know. 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.120 It's probably like two in the morning. We're finally in 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.760 the cabin. My bunk bed was the first one on 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:49.000 the right- hand side, right next to the door, and 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:52.200 I was a top bunk. Everyone's like, we got to 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.080 get up at like eight the next morning. We got 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.200 to call it the night. But because there had been so 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:03.559 much going on, my brain is just going a mile 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.960 a minute, and I am lying there in the dark, 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:15.640 taking myself through calming exercises and relaxation exercises to just 0:09:16.240 --> 0:09:21.600 tell my brain to shut off. Even though I'm keeping 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.200 my eyes closed, I am very much wide awake. 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:30.200 As I start to feel sort of relaxed, I hear 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:39.280 the door open, and I immediately feel this cold breeze 0:09:39.800 --> 0:09:47.640 wafted over everything. I looked across into the full- length 0:09:47.679 --> 0:09:51.000 mirror at the other end of the cabin. What I 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:55.240 saw in that reflection was definitely not a member of 0:09:55.280 --> 0:10:02.080 our group. I saw this shadow figure right in the 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:07.160 middle of the doorway. 0:10:07.240 --> 0:10:12.960 This figure was female. She had a very pointed face. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:19.040 Was very slender. Her hair was parted in the middle, 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:26.120 straight back into a bun. She was wearing round aviator goggles, 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:31.920 like old- fashioned flying goggles like Amelia Earhart goggles. And a coat. 0:10:33.920 --> 0:10:38.800 She was just standing there. She didn't speak out loud, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:44.720 but I could feel her energy shift towards my direction. 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:50.959 This cold air just kind of lingered there for quite 0:10:50.960 --> 0:10:55.280 a while, even though our heater was on. It shouldn't 0:10:55.280 --> 0:11:00.760 have stayed as cold as it did. At this point, 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:09.120 I am very scared. As gently and as softly as 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:13.880 I could, I started to slide my body towards the 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.080 wall and away from the edge of the bunk bed 0:11:17.320 --> 0:11:19.520 so I'd be as far away as possible from whatever 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:25.720 this was that was coming in. There was a palpable sense 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:30.280 of her telling me, or yearning to be, like, you 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:32.080 need to turn your head over and look at me. 0:11:33.400 --> 0:11:38.600 And at that point, it wasn't a friendly energy. It 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:46.720 was an angry energy. I reached out for my phone 0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.800 and just clicked on the home screen, and it said 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.679 3:14 in the morning, right in the middle of the 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:53.160 witching hour. 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.280 That lit up our cabin. The entity is no longer there. 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.040 I shut my eyes hard, and I started praying because 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.920 I did not want to let that cross into my world. 0:12:11.280 --> 0:12:16.000 It was almost like this creature was searching for something, 0:12:17.000 --> 0:12:24.360 wanted something, wanted an answer to something, and when I 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:30.320 didn't respond, it felt angry that I was refusing to 0:12:30.440 --> 0:12:33.440 listen to their command of looking over at them. 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:38.640 And this sounds weird, but afterwards, I kind of felt bad. 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:45.120 It almost felt like this lost soul. The lines between 0:12:45.440 --> 0:12:48.200 the living and the dead and the spiritual world, I 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:51.360 think are probably closer than we'd like to admit. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.840 I'd give anything to get drunk in the woods just 0:13:06.920 --> 0:13:10.439 one more time. And I know what you're thinking, Therésa, 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.760 there's no way you'd sleep outside. Well believe it. I 0:13:14.920 --> 0:13:16.880 was something of a girl scout back in the day. 0:13:17.640 --> 0:13:20.760 That's right, I camped Coachella weekend too. 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:25.119 But for our next true tale, we're leaving the wilderness 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:28.400 behind and making a beeline for New York City. Our 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.439 friend Jen got in a little over her head dabbling 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:35.040 in the occult when surprise, surprise, she got haunted. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.120 But you guys don't invite us in and then get 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.040 upset when we show up. It's like the time I 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.640 pity invited my annoying friend Mallory to our Hampton sharehouse 0:13:42.679 --> 0:13:45.360 for Memorial Day weekend, knowing she was supposed to be 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.720 in Palm Beach with her family, but then she ditched 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:50.439 her family and came with us instead. And it's like, yeah, 0:13:50.559 --> 0:13:53.840 that was my fault. Sure, I hit her with the non- vitation, 0:13:54.040 --> 0:13:56.440 but what can you do send an un-vitation? 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.280 Morgan was looking for a roommate, so wethought, let's try 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:05.040 and live together. We found this really beautiful apartment in Harlem. 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:07.560 We were right across the street from Central Park. I 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:10.000 think that's what sold us on the apartment. 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.199 This apartment was very much an upgrade, and I had 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:15.720 room for a bigger bed. I didn't want to buy 0:14:15.800 --> 0:14:18.120 a new bed, so my parents offered to give me the 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.720 bed that I used in my bedroom when I lived 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:26.640 with them. I brought this beautiful, old- new queen sized 0:14:26.640 --> 0:14:30.240 bad into my apartment. Everything changed after that. 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.320 My name is Morgan, and I am Jen's roommate. 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.720 My name is Jen, and I invited something evil into 0:14:37.720 --> 0:14:38.160 my home. 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.320 Jen and I actually met at work. We were working 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:49.840 in digital advertising. We were actually on the same team 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:52.920 and quickly became fast friends. 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:56.120 Going to happy hours after work and hanging out. We moved 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.760 into that apartment in January 2017 . The apartment was 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:04.080 so beautiful. It was in this really old building on 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:08.560 110th Street in Harlem. It was a two bedroom and 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:11.560 the bedrooms were on opposite sides. We had really high 0:15:11.600 --> 0:15:16.040 ceilings with beautiful molding. There was a washer/ dryer, and 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.960 it was right across the street from Central Park North. 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:22.160 This is actually the first time that I lived in 0:15:22.200 --> 0:15:25.000 an apartment building that was basically back to back with 0:15:25.080 --> 0:15:28.280 another apartment building. 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:33.280 I am, you know, definitely a spiritual person. Over the years, I 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.800 had gotten a little more involved in some occult practices, 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:44.200 tarot reading, astrology, meditation and setting intentions and burning candles. 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.760 On the flip side, my roommate Morgan, is a very 0:15:47.800 --> 0:15:48.600 devout Christian. 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.040 I don't really dabble in tarot cards or anything like that. 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:56.440 Even though we, at the time, were practicing very different things, 0:15:56.480 --> 0:16:00.640 had very different beliefs about the world and God. We 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:05.400 had really interesting conversations about these very topics, and we 0:16:05.440 --> 0:16:07.000 respected each other a lot. 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.640 I wanted to set an intention for myself for that summer, 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:17.840 to be more in touch with my spirit guides or 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:19.960 just more in touch with the universe, and kind of 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:22.360 be able to see what I'm doing and how that's 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.320 affecting me and how it's affecting people around me. At 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:30.280 this time, I was really interested in the chakras, which 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:37.080 are energy centers in your body. One night in 2014 , 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:44.240 I did a tarot reading. I lit a candle that 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:47.080 I had bought that was supposed to allow me to 0:16:47.120 --> 0:16:51.760 get more in touch with these spirit guides. I said 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:53.880 a mantra that I wanted to be more in touch 0:16:53.920 --> 0:17:03.360 with this, and I went to bed. The morning after, 0:17:03.920 --> 0:17:05.879 I was laying on my pillow, and I lifted my 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:13.600 head up. I saw immediately a bunch of scratches on 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:16.760 my headboard that were definitely not there the night before. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:25.960 And the scratches were really concentrated in an oval shape about 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:31.200 four inches tall, and it was all white. I immediately 0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:35.880 thought it looked like that famous painting the Scream, where 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.800 there were two eyes and a screaming mouth. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:44.560 They were really, really shallow. I actually tried to use 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.520 my fingernail right next to some of those scratches, and 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:52.080 it left a much deeper imprint. And the scratches almost 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:55.480 looked like they had white residue on top of them. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:59.000 I had no idea how they got there, and I 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:05.120 immediately thought that I had a ghost. I've always loved ghost stories, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:07.679 and I was like, this is so spooky. I just 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:13.480 did this candle ritual asking to speak to spirit guides, 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.080 and I wake up and all these scratches are on 0:18:16.119 --> 0:18:16.800 my headboard. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:21.840 It freaked me out to my core. So that night, 0:18:22.680 --> 0:18:26.960 I saged the whole apartment, every corner, every room, in 0:18:27.040 --> 0:18:32.520 the cabinets, in the shower, like every single tiny part 0:18:32.520 --> 0:18:34.720 of the apartment. And then, at that point, I said 0:18:34.800 --> 0:18:38.000 basically a prayer and just said, please let this evil leave 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:41.200 my home. It's not welcome here. This is where I live, 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:42.440 you have to go. 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:47.399 I was pretty confident. I went to sleep, and I 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:48.920 was sort of excited to wake up, and I thought 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:56.640 maybe the ghost would be gone. The next morning, my alarm 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.600 clock had been unplugged overnight and I was late for work. 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:04.840 As I got ready for work, I felt like I 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:09.120 was being watched. I didn't feel like I was alone. 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:14.679 I was kind of looking over my shoulder. That was 0:19:14.720 --> 0:19:18.200 the first morning that I felt real fear in the apartment. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.200 I started sleeping on the couch, because I got really scared. 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:24.399 I would be in bed at night and hear the 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:30.000 floorboards creak. It would feel like someone was there. 0:19:31.800 --> 0:19:34.600 There was one night I was changing to get ready 0:19:34.600 --> 0:19:39.560 for bed and the light turned off while I was changing. 0:19:40.280 --> 0:19:43.159 I was standing alone in my room with the door closed, 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:48.960 in the pitch black, getting dressed. I was absolutely horrified, and 0:19:49.200 --> 0:19:51.240 I was so scared, I ran out of the room. 0:19:51.960 --> 0:19:53.960 I was like, I can't ever go back in there. 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:56.080 So this was around the time that it started to 0:19:56.160 --> 0:20:00.679 really escalate and started to feel really scary. At this point, 0:20:00.720 --> 0:20:04.280 I had not told my roommate. I felt like it 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.800 was my fault, and I was scared to tell her 0:20:06.840 --> 0:20:10.080 because I thought that she was gonna be mad at me. The 0:20:10.119 --> 0:20:14.200 next day, at work, I was really upset, totally sleep deprived, 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:17.000 and I called my mom for some comfort. She was 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.640 immediately concerned and kind of wanted to help me out. 0:20:20.320 --> 0:20:23.200 She was like, get rid of the bed, tell your roommate, 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:25.080 maybe go to a local church. 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:28.879 I was at work getting a text from Jen with the picture 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:34.560 of her headboard with very clear scratches. I think she 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:37.080 was kind of looking for a reaction of me being like, 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:40.880 oh my gosh, like what the heck happened, which just like, oh, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.560 you must have had a bad dream and you scratched 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:47.080 your headboard up. We hopped on the phone and talked 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.600 about it was very clear that, you know, something else 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:56.080 was going on. She was definitely freaked out and was 0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:58.600 very clear to me that she wasn't going to want 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:01.720 to sleep in that bed again. I said, you know, 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:06.080 let's plan to meet at the apartment. We'll talk about it. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:09.200 Being a born again Christian and very active in my church, 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:11.520 I was like, I'm not going to allow this to 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:17.359 bring fear into our apartment. I called up my friend 0:21:17.400 --> 0:21:18.760 who is part of the church. 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:23.320 Morgan called me back after talking to her friend and said, Okay, 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:24.399 this is what we're going to do. 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:27.920 I was like, hey, would you mind coming over and 0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:31.520 helping us deal with what Jen believes to be a spirit. 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.800 When my roommate and her friend came over, we decided 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.920 to do group prayer. We opened the door to my bedroom, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:43.760 but we didn't go in and we stood just outside 0:21:43.800 --> 0:21:49.439 of it. Their idea was to use holy oil, and to 0:21:49.600 --> 0:21:52.199 put the sign of the Cross on all of the 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.399 doors and the windows in the apartment. At that point we 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.320 would hold hands and do a group prayer, similar to 0:22:00.400 --> 0:22:03.720 what I had tried when I was alone, saying that 0:22:03.800 --> 0:22:06.240 it wasn't welcome here. This is a place of love 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:08.520 and light, and it has to leave our home. 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:13.000 As soon as we say amen. The woman in the 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:16.520 building behind ours starts screaming bloody murder. 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:31.240 This apartment behind ours, they always had their windows open, 0:22:31.800 --> 0:22:35.680 all the way open. We could hear her clear as day, 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:40.120 just screaming like, "help me get me out of here." 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.560 It was really like a blood curling scream. It was disturbing. 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.600 You couldn't unhear it. 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:50.680 We had goosebumps all over our arms. There was no 0:22:50.800 --> 0:22:56.720 doubt that her wails and her screams of agony felt related. 0:22:57.280 --> 0:23:01.000 We told it to leave, and immediately she's crying and screaming, 0:23:01.600 --> 0:23:04.880 and it was so incredibly chilling. All three of us 0:23:04.960 --> 0:23:08.399 just looked at each other with wide eyes. So we 0:23:08.760 --> 0:23:12.440 go about taking the bed apart while she screaming bloody murder. 0:23:13.880 --> 0:23:16.600 She screamed the entire time we took it down to 0:23:16.640 --> 0:23:22.400 the sidewalk, which was probably ten minutes. I felt guilty 0:23:22.560 --> 0:23:28.439 because I think that this entity was torturing her, and 0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:32.159 I think that I drew it in with my little 0:23:32.160 --> 0:23:36.639 ceremony with the candle. And once I got rid of it, 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:40.840 I got it out of my space, it was now 0:23:41.000 --> 0:23:41.960 attacking her. 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:49.119 After we got the bed out, the screaming dies down, 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:52.400 I'm starting to calm down, feel a little normal. I get 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:55.680 a phone call from my dad. He said, your mom 0:23:55.880 --> 0:23:58.160 tells me that you're thinking about getting rid of this bed, 0:23:58.760 --> 0:24:00.879 and I was kind of like, "yeah, we already got 0:24:00.960 --> 0:24:04.159 ri d of it. It was haunted." He responded by saying 0:24:04.240 --> 0:24:08.360 that when my grandparents bought their summer house on Lake 0:24:08.400 --> 0:24:12.600 Erie in the fifties, the bed was actually in that 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:13.920 house when they bought it. 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.240 That house is one hundred percent haunted. Everyone who's ever 0:24:20.280 --> 0:24:26.040 been there has a personal experience of something freaky happening. 0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:31.320 One night, two of my own sisters were trying to 0:24:31.359 --> 0:24:34.640 fall asleep and they both felt that they were being watched. 0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:38.439 One of my other sisters was on the third floor 0:24:38.480 --> 0:24:42.760 and blinds would snap open, we would hear floorboards creek. 0:24:43.440 --> 0:24:47.600 My cousin had friends up one weekend and they fled 0:24:47.800 --> 0:24:50.320 in the middle of the night. And when my cousin 0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.760 woke up called them and they said that they were 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:57.800 trying to fall asleep and a spirit like a ghost, 0:24:58.040 --> 0:25:01.879 walked through the door and charged into their bed and 0:25:01.920 --> 0:25:09.359 then disappeared. They were so scared that they literally packed 0:25:09.400 --> 0:25:12.159 up all their stuff, didn't wake up a single person, 0:25:12.440 --> 0:25:13.359 and just left. 0:25:15.880 --> 0:25:19.399 So for me to find out that the bed was 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:23.639 already there when my grandparents bought it, it was like 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:28.160 something clicked. I always believed in the paranormal prior to this, 0:25:28.480 --> 0:25:32.600 and I think it's probably because of my grandparents haunted house. 0:25:33.680 --> 0:25:36.679 I look back now and I think that me lighting 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:40.320 that candle sort of akin to someone messing around with 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:43.479 a ouija board and not knowing what they were doing. I 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.760 think that at that time I didn't think that there 0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:51.320 were evil, malevolent spirits. I thought ghosts were just people 0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:56.560 who passed and didn't move on. But now I really 0:25:56.920 --> 0:26:00.000 think that I invited something evil into my home. 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.080 The second I heard washer/ dryer and a queen size bed 0:26:20.080 --> 0:26:22.000 in New York, I knew there had to be a catch. 0:26:23.000 --> 0:26:25.320 They say the West Coast is kind but not nice, 0:26:25.400 --> 0:26:27.720 and the East Coast is nice but not kind, but 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:30.360 foisting a demonic spirit on your neighbor doesn't sound nice 0:26:30.480 --> 0:26:33.160 or kind. Kidding! I would have done the same thing. 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:38.480 Anyway, that's all we've got for now. If anyone is 0:26:38.480 --> 0:26:41.359 in the mood for a scare, I would absolutely love 0:26:41.480 --> 0:26:44.880 to be invited somewhere cute. Maybe like a rustic cabin 0:26:45.160 --> 0:26:49.159 or a haunted chalet moment a little purgatory pied-à-terre for 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:51.120 when Len's being a huge bummer. 0:26:52.920 --> 0:26:55.320 (mumbles)Messing with you, Len, You're the best. 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:56.720 (mumbles) 0:26:59.320 --> 0:27:03.240 As always, shoot us an email at HauntingThePodcast@gmail.com if you or a 0:27:03.359 --> 0:27:06.840 friends got a haunting they'd like to share on the pod. 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:18.960 Oh Naomi, where are we with merch? What do you mean? Look, 0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:21.560 let's be ready next week? Okay, because I feel like 0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.159 this isn't the first time I've asked you about it 0:27:23.160 --> 0:27:25.520 and you said you were on it, remember, or you 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.639 shrieked it. I don't know whatever that sound is that 0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:31.760 you make, you did that. It's okay, I'm just I'm 0:27:31.760 --> 0:27:36.199 saying for next time. Well, stay tuned for updates on 0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:39.760 merch and we'll see you next incalculable stretch of time, 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:41.960 possibly a week, on Haunting. 0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.439 If you have a Haunting story to share, please email 0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:53.919 us at HauntingThePodcast@ gmail.com. Haunting is a production of Glass 0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:56.040 Podcasts in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. 0:27:56.520 --> 0:27:59.920 Haunting was created and executive produced by Nancy Glass, Andrea Gunning, 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:03.840 Ben Fetterman, and Lauren Lapkus. It is hosted by Lauren 0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:05.800 Lapkus as her character, Therésa. 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.240 Haunting is directed by Aleah Welsh and produced by Trey Morgan. 0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.719 It is written by Aleah Welsh, with additional writing by 0:28:11.760 --> 0:28:16.040 Nancy Glass, Trey Morgan, Ben Fetterman, and Kristin Melchiorre. Additional 0:28:16.080 --> 0:28:19.440 production support by Todd Gans. Additional voice acting by Trey 0:28:19.440 --> 0:28:21.959 Morgan as the character, Producer Len Walker. 0:28:22.800 --> 0:28:25.800 Editing and sound designed by Matt Delvecchio with additional editing 0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:30.159 by Nico Aruoca. Mixed and mastered by Dave Saia. Operations and 0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:34.560