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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace guilty, guilty on all accounts,

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrant Jose Ebarra guilty, and the brutal murder of

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Speaker 1: uga co ed lacn Riley out for a morning jog

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Speaker 1: this after murdered. Lacan's mother's frantic text to her just

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Speaker 1: before her daughter's body found brutalized, and Nancy Grace, this

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: And what is the text says, good morning, about to

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Speaker 1: Is you're a freaking daughter? And did she in fact

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Speaker 1: call her mother? She did in the last hours a

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Speaker 1: stunning verdict in an Athens, Georgia courtroom, illegal immigrant migrant

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Speaker 1: worker Jose Ebara guilty and the brutal murder of a

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Speaker 1: gorgeous young Deans student Lake and Riley with me an

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Speaker 1: all star penalty. Make sense of what we are hearing

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Speaker 1: straight out to Dave Matt joining us at the courthouse.

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Speaker 1: You know, Dave mac as the defense put up a

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Speaker 1: semblance of a case, it almost seemed to me as

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Speaker 1: if they weren't really trying or Dave, is it a

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Speaker 1: matter of the fact they didn't have that much to

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Speaker 3: I think they didn't have that much to work with Nancy,

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Speaker 3: and they were trying to point the finger at jose

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Speaker 3: Ivar's brother, Diego in particular, and that was what the

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Speaker 3: whole point of their defense was going to be. Because

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Speaker 3: they didn't have anything else but last minute stuff. They

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Speaker 3: had planned to call Diego and their other brother to

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Speaker 4: Part of their defense testimony. Didn't do it.

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Speaker 3: They actually presented some things to the judge late last

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think I know why. Joining me, founder

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Speaker 1: director of Cold Case Research Institute, star of Zone seven podcast,

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, I think you and I know why Diego

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Speaker 1: Ebarra didn't take the stand.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, He's a known gang member. He is a criminal,

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Speaker 5: and there's nothing he could say that can help his

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Speaker 1: Line to the court, what a day in an American courtroom,

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Speaker 1: A case that stunned the nation in its brutality. Comes

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Speaker 1: to a close straight out to Philip Dubay joining us

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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer in the La County Public Defender's Office.

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Speaker 1: Of course, Diego Ebarra, which is really where the defense

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Speaker 6: Well, a couple of problems.

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Speaker 7: First of all, I believe the prosecution violated due process.

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Speaker 7: They should have never presented that third part culprit defense

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Speaker 7: in its case in chief. The prosecution has to build

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Speaker 7: its case completely independent of the defense case, and by

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Speaker 7: hijacking that defense and building into its case in chief

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Speaker 7: is illegal. And the reason why is that the defense

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Speaker 7: Oh sorry, I fell asleep.

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Speaker 1: Why didn't they call diego Ebor to the stand nutshell,

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Speaker 1: we're playing ping pong, not chess.

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Speaker 7: Because they would not immunize him should he say something incriminating.

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Speaker 1: And I believe he means that I did it.

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Speaker 7: No, I mean what if, hypothetically he said something that

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Speaker 7: could be contorted and twisted into a tacit admission. What

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Speaker 7: protection does the young man have. He's already an immigration jeopardy,

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Speaker 7: having to go back to a country where we have

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Speaker 7: no diplomatic relations. He's not going to do anything to

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Speaker 6: Okay, you know what, Cheryl mccoum.

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Speaker 1: You're not a lawyer, much less a high profile lawyer

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Speaker 6: Can you give it to me?

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Speaker 1: In a nutshell, there's no way in h e double

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Speaker 1: l The Diego Ebara was going to take the stand

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Speaker 1: And what was he going to say to save his brother? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got the wrong guy, I really did it.

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Speaker 5: Zero chance he was ever going to take this stand.

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Speaker 5: Anything that he says can and will be used against them.

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Speaker 5: While he's sitting there, what was he going to say, Yes,

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Speaker 4: Was wearing it the day she was murdered.

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Speaker 5: He cannot say anything truthfully that could help his brother.

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Speaker 5: His brother is own video fulcan being a predator hunting

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Speaker 5: His fingerprint is on her sell phone. His brother Diego

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Speaker 1: More twist, Cheryl McCollum, if the brother Diego Ebara had

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Speaker 1: he would get He's going to get deported anyway, much

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Speaker 1: less taking the stand and lying. Now, remember this was

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Speaker 1: throughout this entire trial we have seen great deference given

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Speaker 8: In shocking testimony, University of Georgia police sergeant Sophie Rabout

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Speaker 8: recounts the last moments of Lake and Riley's life, breaking

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Speaker 8: jog of her life, Lake and Riley reaches out to

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Speaker 1: You know to Scott Iiker, joining us founding member of

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Speaker 1: the FBI's Cellular Analysis Survey Team. Scott can be found

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Speaker 1: with data. You deal with satellites and raw digital and

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Speaker 1: a founding member of the FBI Sell Analysis Team Cellular analysis.

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Speaker 1: all proven through Sell data analysis. Scott, I agree.

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Speaker 10: This information that you can like from not only the

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Speaker 10: It was fantastic how the cast agent that testified in

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Speaker 10: defendant's phone and the victim's phone were in the same

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Speaker 1: And the defense actually brings forward a witness suggesting that

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Speaker 1: it was another trail gooer that could have murdered Laken.

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Speaker 1: But the poignant nature of the video you're seeing right now,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta jurisdiction at Angela Arnold MD dot com. The mother,

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Speaker 1: and they have to see Lacn's final moments and she

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Speaker 1: She was so brutally murdered. And Mom has to remember

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Speaker 11: Nancy, I am not sure that this is something that

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Speaker 1: Well another thing, doctor Angie, there is such a thing

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Speaker 1: Would jose E Barro have picked somebody else? I mean,

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Speaker 11: And I'm sure Nancy, like you said, you're still thinking

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Speaker 11: have some form of survivor guilt on top of the traumatic,

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Speaker 11: She's going to see Laken, She's going to replay this

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at the video, Cheryl, and you and

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Speaker 5: It's so heartbreaking, especially sitting in the courtroom with her mama,

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Speaker 3: He acts like he's in traffic court, Nancy. He doesn't

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Speaker 2: Seven am and coming text from her mother said please

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Speaker 1: I'm worried sick about you.

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Speaker 1: Is not? Her house of death is decombined, effects of force,

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Speaker 1: That is just one piece of evidence that weighed into

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Speaker 1: the judge's finding of guilty, Jose Ebarra guilty and the

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Speaker 6: Do I know?

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Speaker 1: No? Do I care?

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Speaker 1: I don't have to go into the mind of a

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Speaker 6: In the charges, we see a assault.

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Speaker 1: So the intent to rape the defendant Ebarra was indicted.

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Speaker 1: I have the indictment right here in my hand, with

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Speaker 1: intent to kill is shown, there are felony murder charges,

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Speaker 1: what did the state offer to support a guilty verdict

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Speaker 12: Her pants had been moved to the backside of her

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Speaker 1: Joining us at the courthouse, Crime online dot COM's investigative

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Speaker 1: reporter Dave Mac Dave uh oh, by the way, you

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Speaker 1: That was trial testimony from special agents Lucas Bayer. Dave

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Speaker 1: Mac Lucas Bayer home run home run for the state.

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Speaker 1: Did you you hear that testimony you've been in court

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Speaker 1: course she was left exposed that way. I mean, why

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Speaker 4: That was the whole point he was making. Nancy. You know,

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Speaker 3: They even brought him back as the rebundal witness after

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Speaker 3: there's no evidence that Diego was anywhere other than in

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Speaker 6: And there is more.

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Speaker 1: Listen, the clothing was pulled up extremely high above her breast,

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Speaker 1: that the judge really had any choice at all on

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Speaker 1: the agasault to rape crime stories with Nancy Grace. For

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Speaker 1: those of you just joining us, Hosei Ebara guilty guilty

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Speaker 1: aggravated battery, which is beating her with a rot in

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Speaker 1: The underlying felony is aggravated assault with intent to rape.

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Speaker 1: And you are hearing GBI special Agent Lucas Bayer laying

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Speaker 5: Nancy three layers of clothing, her jacket, her shirt, her

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Speaker 5: Her pants had been pulled down, her underwear had been

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Speaker 1: And there's more. Listen to GBI special agent Lucas Bayer.

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Speaker 12: The sports braw had been manipulated so that had become

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Speaker 1: Buyer on the stand from our friends at the National desk,

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Speaker 1: Philip Debay, high profile lawyer joining us out of LA

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Speaker 1: who has covered the case from the get go. Really,

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Speaker 1: you don't think is there any way with a straight

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Speaker 7: Wrong place, wrong time. There were hundreds of people on

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Speaker 7: transfer of DNA and the scratches are completely unrelated. The

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Speaker 1: Well, thank Heaven, the judge did not listen to any

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Speaker 7: I'm talking about whoever actually did it, and he happened

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Speaker 7: It certainly doesn't prove a felony murder committed during the

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Speaker 1: Anybe We're talking about an attempted rape A we're talking

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Speaker 7: You know what, what.

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Speaker 1: Did I've tried so many trials I can't even count

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Speaker 1: it is. But what I don't know what you're talking

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Speaker 7: The allegation was that he was following and lying in

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Speaker 1: It says, no, that's not an allegation. That's what I'm

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Speaker 5: Is he was not killing her. Why would he hang

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Speaker 1: A Hollah, that's bodycam from the ug A p D.

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Speaker 1: Sergeant Joshua EPs Allah Allah Vamas could not wake him up,

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Speaker 1: jose Ebara had a great night's sleep. In fact, the

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Speaker 6: They could hardly wake him up.

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Speaker 5: He was sound asleep to the point they could hardly

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Speaker 5: of this whole thing is knowing her mama ain't fled

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Speaker 1: no other choice, and I think a jury would have

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Speaker 1: agreed as well, Doctor Angie Arnold, how can you, according

438
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Speaker 1: to the state, now proven in a court of law,

439
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 1: brutally attempt to rape a young girl jogging by wait

440
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: in the woods for her, attack her, murder her by

441
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 1: bludgeting her with a rock and then leaving her dead, bloody,

442
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: her face is figured and her private parts exposed, and

443
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Speaker 1: then get a good night's sleep.

444
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Speaker 11: Because Nancy, we are dealing with the severest of a sociopath. Here,

445
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 11: he has no conscience. Do you notice how, over the

446
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 11: course of all of this, we have all become so

447
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 11: attached to Lake and Riley, haven't we. She's a beautiful girl.

448
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 11: She brings out feelings inside of us. We all think

449
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 11: of our own children when we look at this beautiful

450
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 11: girl and what happened to her. And he sits in

451
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 11: the courtroom with no emotion on his face because Nancy,

452
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 11: he is a sociopath. And you know what else that means, Nancy,

453
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,239
Speaker 11: I wish I could tell the judge this. He is

454
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 11: not capable of rehab. They need to put him under

455
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Speaker 11: the jail and pour some concrete on him. There is

456
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Speaker 11: no possibility of this person ever being rehabilitated because there's nothing.

457
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Speaker 6: There's nothing to rehab.

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Speaker 11: He doesn't have any empathy, he doesn't feel any remorse.

459
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 11: The entire country looks at this beautiful girl and feels

460
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Speaker 11: for her mother, They feel for her family. He did

461
00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 11: this to her, and he feels nothing because he is

462
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 11: the severest of a sociopath and he needs to be

463
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 11: done away with Nancy.

464
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace guilty guilty. Jose Ebara found

465
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: guilty in a court of law in the brutal murder

466
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Speaker 1: of a beautiful young co ed UGA nursing student lacln Riley.

467
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 6: What went in to that verdict finding?

468
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Speaker 1: You heard Philip debate earlier arguing it could have been

469
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: someone else, and I want you to hear this and

470
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: closing arguments, the defense actually argued to the judge with

471
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Speaker 1: a straight face that lacoln Riley, the murder victim, should

472
00:30:57,080 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 1: have could have outrun jose Ebarra. Why why is that relevant?

473
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Because the defense Caitlin Beck, argued that jose Ebarra was

474
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: shorter end quote fatter than brother Diego. So I guess

475
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,760
Speaker 1: she's arguing the killer had to be Diego, the brother

476
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: because he was taller and faster. They actually argued that.

477
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: But back to real evidence.

478
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 2: Listen, a match between the contact slobbings from the jacket

479
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: and jose Abara is approximately one hundred trillion times more

480
00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: probable than a coincidental match to an unrelated person in

481
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: the population.

482
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Speaker 1: That from our friends at the National desk. You were

483
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: hearing the GBI Crime Lab analyst Ashley Hinkle, Did you

484
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: hear that dubet one hundred trillion times?

485
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 7: But you could not eliminate and it is a match.

486
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 7: She could not eliminate transfer.

487
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:59,280
Speaker 1: Okay, problem, hold on, there is a match. I think

488
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: I think that we can eliminate transfer because Dave Mack

489
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: joining us at the courthouse. Isn't it true that video

490
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: catches Jose Ebara.

491
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 6: Throwing that jacket.

492
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Not Diego the brother, but Jose Ebarra throwing that jacket

493
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,480
Speaker 1: into up there he is that's the same shirt he

494
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 1: was wearing one hour earlier, posting on.

495
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Speaker 4: Nancy what's happened that video?

496
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Speaker 3: Okay, the video of him throwing the jacket into the dumpster,

497
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 3: that is what they've used to say Diego is the

498
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: killer because they said that. One of the friends that

499
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 3: actually was interviewed by Belie said she thought it was

500
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 3: Diego throwing the jacket in the dunster.

501
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: Now she wasn't one hundred percent.

502
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: Sure, but a friend who knew them both much better said, no,

503
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 3: that's Jose. So that's for the defense got their whole

504
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: idea was from the winds say I think Diego.

505
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 4: Throwing the jacket away.

506
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 3: That entire defense strategy came from that one comment from.

507
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Speaker 4: Somebody who was not even sure.

508
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: Okay, so to believe that mac, I mean I've seen.

509
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 1: I was sitting in court when the state showed the

510
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: photo of Jose E Barra one hour before the murder

511
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: posting selfies wearing that exact shirt. I'd like to see

512
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: it because it has very unusual markings. There is there.

513
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Speaker 6: He is in the shirt one hour later throwing the.

514
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Speaker 1: Jacket with a one hundred trillion likelihood DNA match. So

515
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Speaker 1: I don't know what dubet is talking about. Transfer And

516
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: listen about the fingernail clippings.

517
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: The DNA match between the wet rush swabbings from the

518
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 2: fingernail clippings from the right hand and the match was

519
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: to Jose Antonio.

520
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 1: Abara still Ashley Hinkle on the stand from our friends

521
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: at the National desk, and there's more on the fingernail

522
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: DNA match.

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00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 2: The match is ten million times more probable than a

524
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 2: coincidental match to an unrelated pushing in the population.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Philip Dubay, ten billion likelihood, one hundred trillion likelihood.

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00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 1: There's no chance of the transfer because you just saw

527
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: jose Ebora throwing that jacket into the trash minutes after

528
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: Laken is killed. So when's the transfer.

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Speaker 7: There's a difference between consciousness of guilt and throwing that away,

530
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 7: and consciousness of fear. He obviously realized that there was

531
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Speaker 7: some type of zerological evidence on the jacket and dumped

532
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 7: it out of fear of being accused.

533
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Speaker 1: So he dumped it.

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Speaker 7: I mean, that's how I would have attacked it. It

535
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Speaker 7: doesn't necessarily mean just because biological evidence is on your

536
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 7: clothing that you're the culprit. We've seen this in history.

537
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 7: We saw it a few months ago out of the

538
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 7: Detroit murder where a well known Jewish community advocate was

539
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 7: murdered by knife in front of her home. The defendant

540
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 7: was caught on video outside of her home. He testified

541
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Speaker 7: he was acquitted. He said he touched her as an

542
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Speaker 7: afterthought to try to rifle through her belonging see what

543
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 7: was happening. The jury believed him in this case, the

544
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 7: judge would not have believed him.

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00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: Speaking of fantastical arguments, the defense also argued that Jose

546
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: Ebara was just an accomplished that maybe two men were

547
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 1: involved in Lacoln's murder and two rocks that makes it

548
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 1: so easy for the judge to find Eborra guilty. Joining

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Speaker 1: me right now, a special guest, renowned medical examiner doctor

550
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: Kendall Crown's chief medical examiner, Terrence County, Esteemed lecturer at

551
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:37,720
Speaker 1: the Burnett School of Medicine at TCU Dodgor Kendl Crowns,

552
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: you and I have gone over and over the autopsy

553
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: evidence in this case. Could you describe what happened to

554
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: lacoln certainly so.

555
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 13: She has one trauma to the head from the rock

556
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 13: that set the scene with the blood on it, that

557
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 13: has caused lacerations or kind of splitting of the skin,

558
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,240
Speaker 13: and a depressed call fracture which has kind of putshing

559
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 13: in of the skull itself from being struck over and

560
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 13: over and over with the rock. She also has what

561
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 13: they've described as asphyxia. The medical examiner said she had

562
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 13: signs of a sixia at the autopsy. That can be

563
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,840
Speaker 13: particular hemorrhages of the eye, which are a little bursting

564
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 13: of the capillaries on your eye. It can also be

565
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 13: hemorrhages and the knuck musculature from a manual strangulation. So

566
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 13: probably she's strangled, wakes back up Annox and then beats

567
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 13: her head in with a rock or he hits her

568
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 13: with a rock, she passes out. He's trying to rape her.

569
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Speaker 13: What she wakes back up and then he strangles her.

570
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 13: Either way, it's pretty bad now.

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Speaker 1: I always wondering, Dubey, we'll have a big fit over

572
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: this based on what doctor Kendall Crown's has just told us,

573
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: what lacoln went through as she fought for her life.

574
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 1: Why the defendant didn't take the stand and testify. Hey,

575
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: if you're not guilty, where were you? What were you doing?

576
00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 1: Listen your war you want to tour and you want to.

577
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: Give you no sense?

578
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: I guess he didn't. That's my friends at the National

579
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: Death Cheryl McCollum. You just heard what doctor Kendall Crowns

580
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: explained happened to Lakan and her fight to live, how

581
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: she was humiliated, attacked, brutalized, her face disfigured. Did you

582
00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: really think a barrow was going to take the stand?

583
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 5: Not a shot? And I'll tell you something. We can

584
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 5: talk about her injuries and those are vital. To understand

585
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 5: that the injuries that she gave to him, to me,

586
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 5: are just as vital. She punched him dead in the mouth,

587
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 5: She scratched him on the wrist, on the throat, on

588
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,280
Speaker 5: the back of the neck, on his back, on his elbow,

589
00:37:54,440 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 5: on his arm. She fought for those eighteen minutes like

590
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 5: her life depended on it, because she knew it did.

591
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 14: One of the defense's first witnesses is a neighbor of

592
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 14: the Ebarras. The woman says Diego Ebarra approached her the

593
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 14: evening of February twenty second, asking why the complex is

594
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 14: crawling with cops. In broken Spanish, the woman tells him

595
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,400
Speaker 14: a young lady lost her life behind the complex. Aware

596
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 14: that it's along Diego's path to work, she encourages him

597
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 14: to speak up if he saw anything suspicious. Two officers

598
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 14: briefly check in on Ibarra.

599
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: And the woman. When they walk away.

600
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 14: The woman says, Diego Ebarra urgently type something into the

601
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 14: translator app for her to read.

602
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:42,320
Speaker 1: The defense, trying to shift blame on Jose Ibarra's brother, Diego.

603
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: It didn't work. Straight back out to doctor Kendall Crowns,

604
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,760
Speaker 1: joining us. We're now medical examiner out of Terrant County.

605
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: Doctor Kendall Crowns, we know that Lake and fought that

606
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,480
Speaker 1: she fought for her life. She refused to be Jose

607
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:05,360
Speaker 1: ebar as next rape victim. How long would she have

608
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,400
Speaker 1: lived sustaining the injuries she did to her skull.

609
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 13: So the injuries to the skull with the depressed skull fracture,

610
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 13: she could have survived that. Had a concussion, she could

611
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 13: have potentially, depending on how much brain damage there was,

612
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,759
Speaker 13: been still able to survive that injury. If it was

613
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 13: severe enough, she probably could have died within minutes of

614
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 13: receiving it. It all depends on how much damage the

615
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 13: skull fracture went through into her brain. The strangulation, on

616
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 13: the other hand, she'd probably be on unconscious when a

617
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 13: little over ten to twenty seconds, and if he continued

618
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 13: to apply pressure, she'd be dead within about four to

619
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Speaker 13: five minutes.

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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, it's beyond understanding for me that the defense

621
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Speaker 1: actually argued maybe there were two assailants in two.

622
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Speaker 5: Rocks, you know, Nancy. The injuries to his wrist and

623
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Speaker 5: his elbow. Says to me, she probably knocked the first

624
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 5: lock out of his hand, and he simply grabbed the

625
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 5: second one and finished the job. To the point part

626
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 5: of her skull was in her brain. He beat her,

627
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 5: He beat her violently. He set out that morning to

628
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 5: find a victim. He did not care who.

629
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Speaker 1: In my mind, the judge had no alternative other than

630
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Speaker 1: finding Ebara guilty in the murder of Lacoln. Riley, Yes,

631
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Speaker 1: a verdict has been rendered. He's not the only one

632
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:48,880
Speaker 1: sentenced in this case. Her mother, her family are sentenced

633
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: to life without Lacoln. Their sentence to life remembering what

634
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: she suffered. They are sentenced to life remembering those last

635
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: images of her running free. Lake and Raleigh rest in peace.

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Speaker 1: Good night friends,