1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: One of the questions that a lot of people are 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: struggling with in America right now is how how did 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,920 Speaker 1: it happen that Donald Trump was re elected to the 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: American presidency. There's a lot of answers to the question. 5 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: There's some simple ones, some big ones. But one of 6 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: the answers, and one of the causes is the absolute 7 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: brokenness cynicism of America's corporate access media model. This is 8 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: the warning now, in a normal time, silliness attached to 9 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: journalism is completely harmless. Fatuousness and fecklessness are no big deal. 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Obviously at some level. If you're the anchor person making 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,880 Speaker 1: ten million dollars a year hosting four hours of morning television, 12 00:00:53,240 --> 00:00:57,440 Speaker 1: you live in a rarefied space. You are on top 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 1: of the pyramid. And what comes with that is a 14 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: lot of people who flatter you. When you're on top, 15 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: that flattery can have a disorienting effect. It can make 16 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: you diluted and disoriented. Now, Mika Brazinski is not a 17 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: bad person. Mika Brazinski is a television presenter. She's not 18 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: a diplomat, she's not an elected official, she doesn't hold 19 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: a position in the society. That's better More enlightened or 20 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: wiser than anybody else. She is covering on a show 21 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: which her husband incepted and founded, in which she became 22 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: the co host many many years ago. And this show, 23 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: which I've been on many times, was fresh and exciting 24 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,960 Speaker 1: and completely different, and people liked it, and the conversations 25 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: that were had were utterly optive, positional to all of 26 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: the crapola that John Stewart confronted on shows like Crossfire 27 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: when he went on and put a finger in Tucker 28 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Carlson's face and told him how bad he was for 29 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: the country. Mourning Joe isn't bad for the country until 30 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:23,280 Speaker 1: it was. Morning Joe is one of the reasons Donald 31 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: Trump sits in the White House full stop. 32 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 2: It's indisputable. 33 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: And the reason for that is is because the prime 34 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: directive of the Mourning Joe Show is not to explain 35 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: things to its audience. It's not to explicate the danger 36 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 1: and to confront it. It's to hold a position no 37 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: matter what, at all costs that is proximate to power. 38 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:57,520 Speaker 1: And Mika Brazinski talks about this in her podcast with 39 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: Joanna Coles and Samantha of The Daily Beast. 40 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 3: The freedom to have the debate and the requirement that 41 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 3: it is civil was the key, and so my dad 42 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 3: and mom would have often many ambassadors, senators, world leaders. 43 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: We had Deng Choo ping, the leader of China to 44 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 3: dinner at our house during the normalizations of relations with China. 45 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: My father said, let's not do his date dinner at 46 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 3: the White House. Let's do it at our farmhouse in McLean. 47 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 3: And let me tell you something. There were so many 48 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: disasters that night because we were all stressed out. But 49 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 3: it went really well, except for the part where I 50 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 3: spelled caviare on him and where we didn't close the 51 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 3: flu of the fireplace and house Scott's like. We were 52 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 3: all so nervous. But it was an incredibly memorable historic 53 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: experience and it was the greatest example actually, I guess 54 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 3: of what it means to talk. 55 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:55,880 Speaker 2: All of that is great. 56 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: They're nice experiences, but it doesn't have anything to do 57 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: with what Mika Brazinski and Joe Scarborough were called to do, 58 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: which is to tell the truth when telling the truth 59 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: has consequences. Instead, what they did is flatter power and 60 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 1: the ego of Joe Biden. Let's watch this clip. It's 61 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: one of two. They tell you everything that's broken about 62 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: the American news media. It's hypocrisy, it's abject dishonesty, and 63 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: its utter, absolute sneering condescension. First, let's watch Joe lie 64 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: to the country before telling the American people. 65 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 4: You start your tape right now, because I'm about to 66 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: tell you the truth, and FU if you can't handle 67 00:04:52,560 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 4: the truth. This version of Biden, intellectually and a is 68 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 4: the best Biden ever, not a close second. And I've 69 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,480 Speaker 4: known him for years. The Brazenskis have known him for 70 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 4: fifty years. If it weren't the truth, I wouldn't say it. 71 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 2: Next, let's watch Don Lemon and his pack. 72 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 5: He also knows deep in his heart that Donald Trump 73 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 5: couldn't find you crane on a map if you had 74 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 5: the letter you and a picture of an actual physical 75 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,400 Speaker 5: crane next to it. He knows that this is, you know, 76 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 5: an administration defined by ignorance of the world. And so 77 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 5: that's partly him playing to their base and playing to 78 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 5: their audience. You know, the credulous boomer rube demo that 79 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 5: backs Donald Trump, that wants to think that that that 80 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 5: Donald Trump's. 81 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 2: A smart one in there. Y'all will lead us for them. 82 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 6: You will lead us with your geography and your maps 83 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:53,080 Speaker 6: and your spelling, even though my math. You're reading, yeah, 84 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 6: you're reading. You know your geography. Know in other countries 85 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:04,839 Speaker 6: lines on the map, only they me lad us know 86 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 6: where Ukraine is. 87 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: It's appalling, it's dishonest, and it's why we have Trump. 88 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: We don't need to talk about it much. It's staring 89 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: us in the face. 90 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 2: Now. 91 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:19,440 Speaker 1: Mika Brazinski is an accomplished woman. There is no question 92 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: about that. That comes from an accomplished family with accomplished siblings, 93 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: married to an accomplished man, surrounded by accomplished people. But 94 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: in order to understand what it is that I'm going 95 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: to talk about, you have to appreciate something that happens 96 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the podcast interview. 97 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 7: So we joined now by our beast of the week, 98 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 7: and you know her as the co host of Morning 99 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 7: Joe on MSNBC, where her fresh political takes wake you 100 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 7: up faster than that first cup of coffee. Mika Brazinski, 101 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 7: Mika who is Anything but Meek, is a fierce advocate 102 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 7: for women's empowerment, a best selling author, and the visionary 103 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 7: behind the Know Your Value initiative. 104 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: Is Mika Brazinski a visionary. Joanna Coles thinks so, But 105 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: does that come from an objective observation or are you 106 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:19,160 Speaker 1: witnessing a transaction, a flattering of a powerful person powerful 107 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: clique by another powerful person in a powerful clique that 108 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: lived close to each other and practice something that they 109 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: call that I don't recognize as journalists. Joanna Coles, for example, 110 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,800 Speaker 1: when she took over The Daily Beast in a strategy 111 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 1: to reinvigorate, it suggested that The Daily Beast hire a 112 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: full time correspondent to cover the fabulousness of Jeff Bezos 113 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: his fiance Lauren Sanchez. This matters because Jeff Bezos, the 114 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: second richest guy in the world, was so scared shitless 115 00:07:57,280 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 1: that he intervened into the Washington Post editorial process to 116 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: precapitulate to Donald Trump in advance to protect his larger interests. 117 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: The issue is very simple. There are only a couple 118 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: of possibilities. It is either a the case that Joe 119 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: Scarborough and Mika Brazinski called Donald Trump hitler and compared 120 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 1: Maga to the Third Reich over and over and over again, 121 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: because they're frauds who thought that inciting and dividing by 122 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: comparing him to Hitler would be good for them, while 123 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: not meaning it, not a word of it. If they 124 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: did that, it has destroyed their credibility. Or alternatively, Mika 125 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: and Joe believe that Donald Trump is Hitler, evaluated him 126 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 1: as a fascist, and in the immediate aftermath of the election, 127 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: instead of figuring out how to meet the moment having 128 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,199 Speaker 1: a philosophy of truth telling about how they will explain 129 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: what is happening, contextualize it, bring guests on to help 130 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: their audience comprehend it, what they did was fashion a 131 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 1: capitulation campaign and went tomorrow a lago to meet with Trump, 132 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: not to get insight, not to report. There's no discernible 133 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: public benefit from the meeting whatsoever, in any form or 134 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:32,359 Speaker 1: fashion that anybody anywhere on the planet Earth can articulate. 135 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: The purpose of the meeting was because Mika and Joe 136 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: are afraid, which was reported by Dylan Buyers accurately, precisely, 137 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 1: and devastatingly. Let's watch Mika say that the criticism of 138 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: all of this is because we're afraid. 139 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 3: I was trying to think through it, and I just 140 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: think everyone is so scared. People, whether they're in the 141 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 3: media or they are citizens of this great country. I 142 00:10:05,200 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 3: think everybody is feeling scared, disoriented, fearful of the future. 143 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 3: And I think I think, just for a quick moment, 144 00:10:17,240 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 3: I might be like the punching bag for that, but 145 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 3: I'd like to believe we're going to get through this. 146 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: We are at the hour of death for corporate media 147 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: because running a newsroom speaking out against Trump in this 148 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: moment is something that's going to require stamina, guts, and fortitude. 149 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: That's not what you get at morning Joel. Now, it's 150 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: interesting to watch Mika Brazinski in this interview, and I 151 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: say this to somebody who has prepared presidents, prime ministers, 152 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: the greatest quarterbacks of all time, senators, congressmen, ambassadors, CEOs, 153 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: you name it for all manner of interviews. Now, at 154 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: the beginning of this, Mika says, I don't have much 155 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:13,079 Speaker 1: to say before going on an extended filibuster. That justifies 156 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,439 Speaker 1: the rationale for the capitulation. 157 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 3: It's my job to interview and talk to people I 158 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 3: disagree with, feel threatened by, or who have hurt my 159 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 3: feelings in some way. So there's how I do it. 160 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 3: I do my job. I mean, do I really not 161 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: go in there? Because he tweeted about me bleeding badly 162 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 3: from a facelift at mar A Lago. I don't know 163 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 3: eight nine years ago. I mean, we haven't talked in 164 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 3: seven years, and I will say that's a problem too. 165 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 3: So I'm worried about myself and how I conduct myself 166 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: in this media universe that we're in, taking stock of 167 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 3: everything that has happened. I don't regret anything I've said 168 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 3: during the campaign, and I stand by it, but I'm 169 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 3: also looking at how to do things differently. And I 170 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 3: would never turned down an opportunity to gain insider information never. 171 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: So how I handle mean tweets or the personal stuff 172 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: is that that's just not something I'm supposed to worry about. 173 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 3: That's my job. If I let not get in the 174 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 3: way of me doing my job. I don't think my 175 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 3: viewers would appreciate that. 176 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: Mika went on a show and was celebrated as being 177 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: a journalist by people who call themselves journalists, not Samantha 178 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 1: Bee but Joanna Calls. 179 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 2: And they'd didn't. 180 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: Talk about, for example, the Secretary of Defense nominee Pete Hagsath, 181 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,560 Speaker 1: who's an accused rapist. Instead, they talked about the issue 182 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:45,720 Speaker 1: that matters to them, which is them not you. The 183 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: justifications for the meeting fall flat because the meeting wasn't 184 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: about insight. It was about as covering, which meant selling 185 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,559 Speaker 1: out an audience. 186 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: It depends on those. 187 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 1: Two people that they came to trust until it imploded, 188 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,559 Speaker 1: that they would tell them what was happening, and those 189 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: two gave that away in this election cycle. And it's 190 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: really sad and it's really pathetic to watch. But now 191 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 1: that it happened, it has to be called out because 192 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: pretending that that is the news in a moment when 193 00:13:23,480 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: there's an information crisis and somebody is trying to obliterate 194 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: the checks and balances, the people who control so much 195 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:36,000 Speaker 1: of the conversation space on morning television don't get an 196 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,959 Speaker 1: allowance to suddenly, now in their self interest, say now 197 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: we all have to come together. Not when he's appointing 198 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: Christy Nome to Homeland Security, Not when he's appointing a 199 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: Katari registered agent to be Attorney General. After Pensacola, Prince 200 00:13:53,720 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: Andrew flamed out. This moment Mika's right about is an 201 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: urgent one. In Late Night eineteen nineties, a few years 202 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:05,599 Speaker 1: before nine to eleven, John Miller, now a CNN analyst, 203 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: former New York City Deputy Police commissioner but then a 204 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: journalist with ABC News traveled to the Hindu Kush in 205 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: Afghanistan to interview Osama bin Lauden. He was living in 206 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: a cave. He had declared war on the United States. 207 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 1: That journey was long, it was risky, and it was dangerous. 208 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: Osama bin Laden was an evil man, a killer, but 209 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: he deserved an interview, and he deserved one before he 210 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: got shot in the head by Navy seal team. If 211 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: a journalist could have found him, it could have gotten 212 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: to him. Good for them. That's not what happened in 213 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: mare A Lago. It wasn't an interview. It wasn't about 214 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: telling you what's going on. It was about vanity. In 215 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: vanity and self interest is crippling the country and it 216 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: made it possible for Donald Trump to take power, and 217 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 1: in order to take it back from him, this era, 218 00:14:56,960 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 1: a fatuousness of effecklessness where people will debase themselves and 219 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: call it courage, must end. 220 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 2: It must. 221 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: The news business is vital in a democracy. If people 222 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: cannot know, cannot tell what's real and what's not, what's 223 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: dangerous and what's not because everything that they're exposed to 224 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: is performative bullshittery, and no one means anything. We get 225 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: to where we're at. The kaboom is the sound of 226 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 1: the implosion of the connections between institutions and leaders and 227 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: people and the American people regarding trust. Joe and Mika 228 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: broke the trust and they know it, and the show 229 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: won't make it. And that's too bad, because once upon 230 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: a time it was fresh. It was good, It was invigorating, 231 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: and it made politics understandable, explicable, brought people together, and 232 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: it was good. Wasn't because and this is the truth, 233 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: if you grow up in the sunlight where you sat 234 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:11,360 Speaker 1: at a table as a kid and you spilled caviar 235 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: on Deang Shaoping, then the idea that you're not at 236 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 1: the center of a world revolving around you is anethma 237 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: and the worst thing that could happen. It's not that 238 00:16:23,800 --> 00:16:26,920 Speaker 1: Hitler became president. It's that you didn't have a seated 239 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: Hitler's table. And I think it's despicable. And I think 240 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 1: the attack on the motives of critics who have pointed 241 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: out the hypocrisy is absurd. I think the audience thinks 242 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: it's absurd. I think the entire business model is absurd, 243 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: and the tragedy of it is that the people with 244 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: conviction and principal at NBC, like Rachel Maddow, like Nicole Wallace, 245 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: all of them are degraded by the debasements that have 246 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: been imposed on them by colleagues who have the gall 247 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: to say they get it for us, which they most 248 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: certainly did not. 249 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm Steve Schmidt. 250 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:07,920 Speaker 1: This is the warning and I invite you to join. 251 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: Subscribe on our substack, on our YouTube channel, follow us. 252 00:17:12,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to the community.