1 00:00:01,200 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: The volume. The Colin Cowherd Podcast brought to you by 2 00:00:07,200 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. It's never been easier to play fantasy on 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: Fan Duel. Whether you love basketball, golf, soccer, or any 4 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: fantasy sport. There is a contest for every fan Fan 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: Duel more ways to win. Hi, everybody, Welcome to the 6 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,559 Speaker 1: Monday Podcast. Doug Gottlieb joins me in five minutes. So 7 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: there's a lot of talk. And I see this all 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 1: the time on the Internet. There's a cottage industry about 9 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: like sports ratings, and they don't really matter. They matter 10 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: for my show, or they matter for Stephen A. Smith's 11 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: show because the higher ratings we get that'll help us 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: come contract time. But what you have right now is 13 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: a race for content. It doesn't matter what the ratings are. 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: The NFL was down last year and everybody had to 15 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,399 Speaker 1: pay twice as much as their previous contract because you 16 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: can't live without the NFL. Hockey has no audience, and 17 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: I mean no audience, no television audience in America at all. 18 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: It's got no radio audience. It doesn't really do anything 19 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: on Twitter social media. Both Canadian and American broadcast deals 20 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: are five times higher than fifteen years ago. People need content. 21 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't matter what it is. When I hear about 22 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: NBA ratings, whether they're good or bad, their next deal 23 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: is going to be probably close to fifty percent higher 24 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: than their previous deal. Does it help that Lebron's out 25 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: of the playoffs? No? Does it help that now the 26 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: Brooklyn Nets are ravaged by injuries, the Denver Nuggets second 27 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:57,680 Speaker 1: best player is hurt. No, it doesn't. But it doesn't 28 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: really matter for a viewer me. It ruins my experience. 29 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: I mean watching Brooklyn Milwaukee, there's just no juice in it. 30 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: We know Brooklyn's better when they're healthy, and now Brooklyn's hurt, 31 00:02:10,880 --> 00:02:14,440 Speaker 1: so the less talented team will now probably win the 32 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: series of at least James Harden or Kyrie one of 33 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: the two can come back and play with KD. But 34 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: whenever you see this stuff on the internet and these 35 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: media critics, I understand their job. TV ratings really don't 36 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: matter for sports, They don't. The NBA is down thirty 37 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: five percent over the last two years, but they're still 38 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:38,799 Speaker 1: getting two point seven million, three point three million, four 39 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: point four million for playoffs series. And there's a lot 40 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: of mattress companies, Mountain dew PEPSI, travel companies, airlines where 41 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: there's no better place to put their ad and get eyeballs, 42 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: especially in the NBA eighteen to thirty nine year old eyeballs. 43 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: What you find is the people that bring up ratings 44 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: generally there's some sort of political agenda. I mean, Iowa's 45 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 1: laugh at people that criticize the NBA ratings and they say, well, 46 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: it's the same teams winning every year. It's the same 47 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 1: college football teams in the final five every year. You 48 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 1: want to know who the four best college football teams 49 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: are going to be next year? Alabama, Ohio State, Clemson, 50 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 1: and Oklahoma shocker. So don't worry about that stuff. Now. 51 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: I will say this, Denver's Jamal Murray his absence. I 52 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: like Phoenix in this series anyway, but now it's non 53 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:38,839 Speaker 1: competitive the Clippers and the Jazz. Donovan Mitchell's not one. 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: That's why the Clippers are probably going to win this 55 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 1: series in six games. I don't think Utah's best athlete, 56 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: Donovan Mitchell can miss this series and they can win. 57 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: With Conley out Donovan Mitchell at eighty percent, they don't 58 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: stand a chance. They just don't have the athletes to 59 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: match up with Kawai and Paul George. But in terms 60 00:03:58,280 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: of overall ratings, it's just one of the things. A 61 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, during the Kaepernick situation, the NFL 62 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: ratings were down six or seven percent and the media 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: just went bonkers. And my takeaway was in television, they 64 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: have what they call ABC and D markets. D is 65 00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: very rural. A is cities, B are the burbs, C 66 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: is outside of the burbs, and D is the country 67 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: in rural. It really Kaepernick situation really hurt the D markets, 68 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: the C and D markets. It didn't hurt the A 69 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: and B markets, as they call them in TV. So 70 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 1: if anybody's going to get hurt on ratings, it's not 71 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: the sports. It may be the networks because they can't 72 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: charge as much for advertising Fox, CBS, NBC, But the 73 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: leagues are always going to get their money and the 74 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: players are always going to get their money, always, no exceptions. 75 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 1: Baseball has been on a downward trajectory for thirty years. 76 00:04:54,040 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: Thirty years when they're available, most of the network's bid 77 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: on it. And now we've got new streaming services. Amazon 78 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,920 Speaker 1: is now in the game. Amazon wasn't in the game 79 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 1: ten years ago. Apple could get in the game. So 80 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: now you have more bidders. And these tech companies, I mean, 81 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: what's an expense for NBC is a rounding air for Amazon? 82 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean, these tech companies make they have billion trillion 83 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 1: dollars weekends. I mean, you'll see these companies in Silicon 84 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: Valley on a good week on the stock market. It's 85 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 1: a trillion dollar week. We do not have those at 86 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: network television. So enjoy the games. Don't worry about the ratings. 87 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: The leagues always make their money and the athletes always 88 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: make theirs. Let's bring in Doug Gottlieb. You know Doug 89 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: gets You and I both would probably agree that. You know, KD, 90 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 1: outside of Lebron, has probably been when healthy, the best 91 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:52,920 Speaker 1: second best player in the league are the best player. 92 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: Certainly an unstoppable force. PJ. Tucker, though, does give him 93 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: clear issues. You can just look at the numbers there 94 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: he struggles against PJ. Tucker. There never was a Michael stopper. 95 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: There's never been a Lebron stopper. There's never been a 96 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: Kobe stopper. So you tell me, I am not insinuating PJ. 97 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: Ducker is a k D stopper, but there is a 98 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: player in this league. That gives him, he gets up 99 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: on him, that gives him trouble. Do you think less 100 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: of KD because of that? Or it's just he's not 101 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: quite as physical as a Kobe and MJ. Lebron. I mean, 102 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: like Janis, clearly you push him away from the basket, 103 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: he is not the same player. He shoots thirty four 104 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: percent beyond three feet. That's why he's not an all 105 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: time great player. I mean I kind of put it 106 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: in the all time greats. Maybe there's only twelve. There 107 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 1: is no stopper, there's no real way. I mean, Jordan 108 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 1: didn't have great series against Utah, Brian Russell. I mean 109 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: they you know Utah was a great defensive team. Jerry 110 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: Sloan was a great defensive player and coach. What do 111 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 1: you make of k D and PJ. Tucker His ability 112 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: to slow him down clearly, well, I would take it 113 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: a step further. The question I think all of us 114 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 1: have is what would these players look like in the 115 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: nineties when you could grab and hold guys? Right now, 116 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: the difference was there was no zone defense. But but 117 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:22,320 Speaker 1: that that does give us a sense of what because look, 118 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: the officiating was a joke Steve Nash was kind of 119 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: soft solded I thought after the game where he said, 120 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: you know there was some non basketball sort of plays there. 121 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: Now we have to factor in a completely different series. 122 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: No Hardened and for half of that game, no Kyrie. 123 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: When they have all three, it's not competitive, right, But 124 00:07:44,760 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the officiating and the ability to get into his body 125 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: and be brutally physical with him is it has always 126 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: been the question mark, right one will reffs allow you 127 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: to do it? And two how does he react? Do 128 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: I think there's a KG stopper? I do not, because 129 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: I've seen him against PJ Tucker in the past and 130 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: ultimately be successful. You know that. The thing about PJ 131 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: Tucker is he's an amazing story, but he's got to 132 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: give you just enough offense, and right now he is 133 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: because the Nets don't have any other option. I think 134 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: it's a culmination of things. I think it's a team 135 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: that's not designed to have. If it was a team 136 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: that was built, Hey, Katie and all these other guys, 137 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: then there would be better personnel and they would be 138 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: more equipped to play this way than not be ailt 139 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: to play that way. So that's part of it. I 140 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: think the officiating the change in officiating, the allowance of 141 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: outright physical play. Yeah, that's part of it. I think PJ. 142 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: Tucker's outstanding. And you know, the weakness to Kevin Durant 143 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: has been when you can get into his body. You know, 144 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 1: he does look just like you know, he looks like 145 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: a skeleton playing out there. You're like, God, how does 146 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: he even stand up? But I also think that we 147 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: saw a lesser version of this with the Clippers two 148 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:02,120 Speaker 1: years ago. Was it two years ago when he was 149 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: with the Warriors, don't I don't even remember how many 150 00:09:04,760 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: years ago this was. I think it was two seasons ago, right, 151 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: he was with and that was the don't you know 152 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:14,199 Speaker 1: who I am? I'm Kevin Durant, right, And he and 153 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: then and he came into La and in the elimination 154 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: game and they're like, we had good defensive teams. There's 155 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 1: nothing we can do. I feel like that day is coming, right, 156 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: he's his nickname that he doesn't like, as the Slim Reaper. 157 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: I do feel like that's coming. A superhuman effort, and 158 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:33,920 Speaker 1: I think it'll be a culmination of one. He'll have 159 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: to take PJ. Tucker away from the basket, right, he 160 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: can't get to that can't post up against him. He's 161 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: just too strong and they'll let him be too physical. Two, 162 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 1: I think the team will adjust to not having anybody 163 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: else outside of Kad in terms of the personnel and 164 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: the rotations. And three, he's just gonna say fuck it. 165 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: You know, I'm the best player and this is what 166 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 1: I have. And that's that actually goes in line with 167 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:00,680 Speaker 1: a lot of those other guys. We went back in 168 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: tracked Staff and his struggles in the finals. It's always 169 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: early on the series. MJ has struggled at times. That 170 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: was kind of early on the series, especially on the road. 171 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: And although that that you there, there are series. The 172 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: Phoenix series was weird where I remember they lost at 173 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: home but one on the road in those series. So 174 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: I actually think there's more pressing for it. I haven't 175 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: researched it, but I distinctly remember what you're saying for 176 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: several players and his ability to adjust. But but like dude, 177 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: the story of the playoffs is the injuries. I mean 178 00:10:35,880 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: from the Lakers to the Jazz to now the Bucks. 179 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: You know, I mean you go around the Nuggets obviously 180 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: not having Jamal Murray, I don't know what and now 181 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: again when we look historically, this is what it looks like. 182 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: But gosh, it's just struck so many of the best 183 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 1: players on the best teams. Yeah, you know it is. 184 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 1: It's interesting, Doug, because is in the I went and 185 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: looked this morning at the last like twenty twenty four 186 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: playoff series, and over half of them a player's injury 187 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: decided the series. I mean, let's be honest. The Toronto 188 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: Raptors won a championship when when Lebron lost Kyrie and 189 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Love, I don't know what it is. Is it? 190 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: You know, the condensed season. You could make an argument, 191 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: but Chris Paul and the Rockets had the Warriors dead 192 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: to rights. He gets hurt, so I don't know that 193 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,719 Speaker 1: he got hurt. He got hurt with the Clippers one year, right, 194 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: remember you got hurt with the Clippers. Um, there was 195 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,559 Speaker 1: there was one that was a suspension. Remember when the 196 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: sons of the best record there was a suspension. Mari 197 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: Stodemeyer and m Rs du got suspended. Right, But for 198 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,520 Speaker 1: the most part, I mean, look, here's the one that 199 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,960 Speaker 1: people forget. When the Calves came back against the Warriors. Right, 200 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: do you remember who got hurt in that series, Andrew Bogan. 201 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: Bog got hurt in Game five. He never he didn't 202 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: play for the Warriors again until a couple of years later. 203 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,240 Speaker 1: And now you can You're like, Andrew Bogan, why does 204 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: that matter? Well, he's a starting center, he's a great passer, 205 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: he was a great legal and sometimes illegal screener, he 206 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 1: was a rim protector and more than anything, Like, you 207 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 1: played one way for a couple of years with him 208 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 1: as your center and now you don't. So remember a 209 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: game is five. In Game six they didn't have Draymond 210 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: and games five through seven they didn't have Andrew Bogan. 211 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: That was a huge change in that series, dramatic change. So, yeah, 212 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: this is the NBA. This is the attrition of basketball, 213 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: the physicality of it. Do I think it's made worse 214 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: because there was no offseason and limited training camp and 215 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,559 Speaker 1: some of these guys barely played and it's hard to 216 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: be in play. Yes, But I also think that like 217 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: this is kind of how it goes, and it's not 218 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: always the best team, it's the best healthy team that survives. 219 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 1: You know. It's funny. I was asked a question on 220 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: the other day on the air, and it was Game seven. 221 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: K De or Kawhi. Who would you take it? And 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: I said, you know, the obvious answer for almost everybody 223 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: is KD. But when Kauai is on and I and 224 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: I've said this before, I think you've said this before. 225 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 1: There are elements of Kauai. Three players that are very similar, Jordan, Kobe, 226 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: and Kawhi. Now, Kawhi does not have the dramatics or 227 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: the flair of Kobe. He's not his I don't think 228 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: athletically gifted as MJ. But the hand size, his core, 229 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: he's you know, he's strength, the low art, the flat shot, 230 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 1: right like people forget about Jordan was he was an 231 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: unbelievable shooter, and it defied logic that the it was 232 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 1: like flat, like like when Secretary shoots the ball like, well, 233 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:48,880 Speaker 1: that's how it's supposed to look. When he shoots a 234 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: boy like that looks flat and it goes in. And 235 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:55,079 Speaker 1: that was how Jordan was, and that was how um, 236 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: how Kobe was a little bit. I also think that 237 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: one of the things that people misremember about Jordan, he 238 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: wasn't that dramatic at the end of his when he 239 00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: was winning championships. He wasn't the he had the up 240 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:12,719 Speaker 1: and up and undershot against the Lakers, which I don't 241 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: know why I did. It was just dunk it. But 242 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: the dunks and all the crazy finishes like that was 243 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 1: really early Jordan. Later Jordan Championship. Jordan was super efficient, right, 244 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: it was posted up, fadeaway, it was catching on the wing, 245 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, open shot, fake, make a move, usually going right, 246 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: like yeah, I think there's there's a little there's some 247 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: Jordan to him, hand sized, defense, toughness. He's a better 248 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: rebounder than both of them. He's an incredible post player 249 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: because that's what he played growing up, um flat shot. 250 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: And then there's a little bit of dunk into him 251 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: right where he doesn't talk and there's not the theatrics, 252 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: so it's hard to wrap your head around, like why 253 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 1: is this guy scene as so good when all these 254 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: other guys see so much more spectacular. But he's just 255 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: a he's a singles and doubles guy. And then there 256 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: are times in which you're like, holy crap, this guy 257 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: is really really good. So yeah, I'm I'm with you. 258 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: It wasn't me. I don't know if it's McIntyre were 259 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 1: shot Phillips, So I know you've had on on your 260 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: radio show, He was probably the first to say there's 261 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,080 Speaker 1: some elements of Jordan. I was like, get the fuck 262 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: out of here with Jordan, and then you watch like, 263 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of onto something there. Kobe, Kobe 264 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: tried to be Jordan. I think Kawuhi has just naturally 265 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 1: become this hybrid of Tim Duncan and Kobe Bryant. Yeah, no, 266 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: I agree. You know, I always said Kobe's a little 267 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: like Phil Mickelson. He's the greatest tough shot maker. Yeah, 268 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: you know Jordan too, Yes, yeah, yes, that's a yes. 269 00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: I've said. I went to a Laker game probably like 270 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: nine ten years ago, and Andrews with me and I said, 271 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 1: I said, how did you think he played tonight? She's 272 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: like I played okay. I was like he was Spectacic's 273 00:16:05,560 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: like wow, I was like, he didn't take one good shot. 274 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: He didn't take one. He was Vlad Guerrero is the 275 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: other guy, Vlad Guarrero. Yes, never liked best bad ball hitter. 276 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: Kobe Bryant was never open and yet he made all 277 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: these shots. And yeah, that's a it's a great point. 278 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: You Phil Michelson's another one right, where like how did 279 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: he do that? And It's almost like you're in a 280 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: bad spot. If you're in the fairway with him, you're 281 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: better off when he's got to be creative because now 282 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, his brain and his skill starts 283 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: meeting in the middle. That's where Jordan and Kawhi are similar. 284 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: Their games dug at the end. For Jordan and Kawai, 285 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: they're a little mechanical, but they're so efficient because again 286 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: hand size and strength. Kobe's game was never mechanical ever. 287 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 1: But when you and I don't mean robotic, is that 288 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: Jordan and Kawuhi are. This is what I do. Yep. 289 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: I've got like two to three set moves and you're 290 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: not going to stop them yep. And you can't yep, 291 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,920 Speaker 1: you just can't stop them yep. Like so obviously, as 292 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, I coach kids now, and with kids and 293 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: with high school and college players, they call it what 294 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: you got in your bag? Right, It's like all these 295 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,000 Speaker 1: different moves they can make off the droom and they're 296 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: way more. My son's twelve years old. He shoot shots. 297 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: I could never think to shoot at twelve, and frankly, 298 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,719 Speaker 1: like I struggle with the eurostep footwork, with the Damian 299 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:37,159 Speaker 1: Lillard sidestep jump shot, the Luca step back is different 300 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,640 Speaker 1: than others. Like the amount of a variety of footwork 301 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: that these guys all have. It's really in outstanding. It's incredible. 302 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: Kyrie's like that, there's all this shit they can do. 303 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: But you know what, meat and potato still works, man, 304 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,439 Speaker 1: And that's what you're talking about. I do think kawaii 305 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 1: can be a little mechanical or just maybe that's where 306 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:02,679 Speaker 1: I draw the duncan comp Harrison's right. The big fundamental 307 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: I like shot fake, one dribble, hesitation, one more dribble, 308 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: pull up, Wow, runs down the court. You're like, wait, 309 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 1: that was so how do they not block that? And 310 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 1: yet you can't. You know, Michael Jordan would go right 311 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,239 Speaker 1: and if you forced him to go left, he'd give 312 00:18:21,280 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: you a little Brian Russell push off and he'd come 313 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 1: back to his left. He ain't shoot the basketball. He'd 314 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,480 Speaker 1: go to go to the block. He'd hold up his hand. 315 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: He wanted to go fade away over his right shoulder. 316 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 1: If you sat at his right shoulder, he'd fake and 317 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 1: he'd shoot the fade over his left shoulder like it 318 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: was that simple. And then occasionally he'd go Elijah on 319 00:18:38,600 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: and then shot fake shot, fake and spin and dunk 320 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,199 Speaker 1: on you like it was so easy, Like how does 321 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: how do these guys do that? So I think it 322 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: may not translate nearly as well now because you're seeing 323 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: all these guys do all these spectacular things with the basketball, 324 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: and they're just you know, old school shot, fake jump 325 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: shot and it may be boring, but man does it 326 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: were the callin Coward podcast Proud to be presented by FanDuel. 327 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: Never played FanDuel Fantasy before. Great FanDuel's offering users the 328 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 1: chance to play free, no deposit required. 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Because eventually Hardener Kyrie come back. 356 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: I'm still clippers and nets, still clippers and nets. But God, 357 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: the Clippers with the O two start just sitting They're 358 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,919 Speaker 1: being like do you want to go home early? If 359 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: I can you imagine if they what if they win 360 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: the NBA Championship in every series they go down O two. Well, 361 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,400 Speaker 1: also you can tell from tylu all his combinations, he's 362 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: trying to figure it out. I mean, there's no question there. 363 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: It's it's a team that you've got a massage and 364 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: there this car you've got to it's got to go 365 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,920 Speaker 1: to a shop about every third week. He can't quite 366 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: figure out the lineups. Well he does it, just it 367 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: takes him a game or two and they figured out 368 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: and they're like, uh huh right, he's really he's really 369 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: good at it's very good at. Yeah, it's one of 370 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: those things like couldn't you have done that? Like I 371 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: don't know two games earlier. Part of it is, you 372 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 1: know they haven't played together a bunch, but I mean, 373 00:21:57,320 --> 00:21:59,920 Speaker 1: like Luke Kennard goes from like the punchline of every 374 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: joke too, Hey, why don't they have Luke Nard in 375 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 1: the game. I'm like watching the game, why why is 376 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: Luke Kennard not in the game. He's gone from you 377 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,720 Speaker 1: can't play him, so you can't play without him? And 378 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:14,440 Speaker 1: that's one Luke being ready and to Tyler understanding who 379 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: to put him with and how to find the matchups. 380 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: It's it's really kind of really impressive. Like I thought 381 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: he made a massive mistake turned down the Lakers a 382 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, because I mean, he's going a championship, 383 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: had a chance to win a championship. But you win 384 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:29,679 Speaker 1: a championship with the Clippers, who have never got out 385 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,080 Speaker 1: of the second round. And if you're actually paying attention, 386 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: like that's coaching. Man, he's changing. Yes, they're playing better 387 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: when they get a little relaxed, but part of it 388 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 1: is he's tinkering with those lineups and figuring it out 389 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: as they go. It's really really impressive to watch. Well, 390 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: we let's segue the guests I've brought on the last 391 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: couple of days. I've asked college football questions because you're 392 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: a huge college football fan, went to Oklahoma State, you 393 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,199 Speaker 1: know Oklahoma very well. You know college football, but as 394 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: well as any guy that played basketball that I know. 395 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,920 Speaker 1: And my takeaway was I had Chad Milman and on, 396 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: and my takeaway was, stop bitching. We've all wanted this thing. 397 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: It's not going to be perfect. College sports are dynastic. 398 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:15,320 Speaker 1: They're not built to be fair. The best teams get 399 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: the better recruiting classes, and they dominate as long as 400 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: you can. Like Mark Field, Gonzaga is going to win 401 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: twenty nine games to thirty three games for the next 402 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: ten years. Nobody in that nobody in his conference is 403 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:30,400 Speaker 1: going to catch him. Now, the one thing about the tournament. 404 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: I'm a big SEC fan. I think you are. But 405 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 1: there is one thing where the SEC has gotten a 406 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,880 Speaker 1: bit of a break and a pass by the media, 407 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: is that all of us know that younger athletes, especially 408 00:23:44,040 --> 00:23:46,119 Speaker 1: younger athletes We've seen this in the NBA playoffs, can 409 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: struggle in harsh road environments. And because of the weather 410 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: in January, most Bowl games are closer to the South, 411 00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: So a lot of times Southern teams play in these 412 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 1: kind of the proximity to their campus and they have 413 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:04,360 Speaker 1: larger and the right LSU and the sugar, all, etcetera. Right, 414 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: I do think if you put you took an LSU 415 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: a few years ago up to Lambo to play Wisconsin, 416 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: the game was super competitive. You put not you put 417 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Notre Dame at home against Georgia. It goes either way. 418 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: The only thing I'm worried about the whole playoff is 419 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: where do you put the games? I do. That's why 420 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, you know that is where a middle of it. 421 00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 1: That's where you know, because you can't do cold weather Doug, 422 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: you can't do outdoor stadium, so it has to be 423 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: like an RCA dome. That's the only The only concern 424 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: I have about the twelve team playoff is is don't 425 00:24:39,280 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: make these all outdoor warm weather games. Um well, okay, 426 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: there's a cup. I have some issues with it. Um. First, 427 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 1: I'm big on the love of unintended consequences. Okay, so 428 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: what are the unintended consequence sentence by expanding the playoffs? Now? 429 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 1: And we've already seen this with players opting out of 430 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: Bowl games? Now, the Bowl games are dead dead, there's 431 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: zero reason. And I've been a guy who said, like, hey, 432 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: if you can put another game on tape and have 433 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 1: fun with your buddies, go do it. But I'm telling 434 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: you now, now they're dead. You're playing for nothing. The 435 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 1: second part is, and this is it goes to long 436 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: lines of when you expand the NCAA term to sixty eight, 437 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: if you don't get in, probably getting fired, Like there's 438 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: gonna be more more coaching firings from teams with good seasons, 439 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: but just this, like, hey, three teams in the SEC 440 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:39,959 Speaker 1: are four teams from the SEC got in and you 441 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: didn't get a staff like you're gone. I think I 442 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: think it's a mistake that by Overexpanding. I think we're 443 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,639 Speaker 1: way overthinking this thing. Look if college football and I 444 00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: believe it, they want the regular season to matter, okay, 445 00:25:55,880 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: make your conference champion matter matter. Have them. I would 446 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: rather have them all play each other in these big 447 00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: leagues than have it this way. But now it's like, 448 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,960 Speaker 1: all right, you win the SEC championship. Congrats, Now you 449 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: got to go out and play a couple more games? 450 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 1: Like what was wrong with the what was wrong with 451 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: the four teams? The best team almost always won anyway? Right, Like, 452 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:23,920 Speaker 1: I don't understand why they don't. There's been some talk 453 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: of doing this where you put your team kind of 454 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: into the hopper if you want to qualify for the playoff, 455 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: and every year they pull out a non conference game 456 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: like that. I would be super into you know, and 457 00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: you make it equitable for all the different rights holders. 458 00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: But college football was in need of this. You and 459 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 1: I have discussed this a bunch offline. I know you 460 00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:46,880 Speaker 1: talked about in your show, which is like you can't 461 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: keep throwing out there Alabama and Clemson and hope that 462 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 1: the rest of the country cares about it. They just don't. 463 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: They just don't. People care about their schools and about 464 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: their region, and when everything is the Southeast, like you're 465 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,879 Speaker 1: going to kill the sport. So I do think this 466 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: brings hope to the West coast. I do think it 467 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: brings hope, more hope to the Midwest. I do think 468 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: it brings more hope to Texas if they can get 469 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: it up and running. By the way, this Aaron Rodgers situation, 470 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: we won't talk about it too much, but you know 471 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,479 Speaker 1: you've had your connections with Aaron through the years. How 472 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,360 Speaker 1: about Mark Murphy coming out and saying, you know, he's 473 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: a complicated fellow, which by the way, doesn't really mean 474 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: anything except for Aaron Rodgers, who would take it personally. 475 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 1: So when Murphy said it over the last two days 476 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: he said, you know, Aaron's a complicated fellow. I thought, Mark, 477 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: a week ago, Mark, you said we probably shouldn't take 478 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 1: it public. Aaron's probably the prickliest player in the league. 479 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: Why in the f would you say that publicly about 480 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. It was the first time for me the 481 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,880 Speaker 1: pendulum swung a little toward more toward Aaron. It was like, gee, 482 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: these people in Green Bay just do not get it. 483 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,760 Speaker 1: They really they're I mean, Mark Murphy's a Harvard guy. 484 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: But when I saw that comment, I thought, well, what 485 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 1: are you doing. There's just certain people you have to 486 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: handle differently. You just don't do that with mine. You 487 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: don't do that with Aaron. It's just not gonna work. 488 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: It's gonna piss him off. First, let's start with the 489 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 1: Harvard guy there, right, you know what they call the 490 00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:30,119 Speaker 1: guy who graduates last in medical school doctor, right, right, 491 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,160 Speaker 1: So there's lots of not everybody is a magnet cum 492 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: laude from Harvard. That said. The crazy part is he's 493 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: not wrong. Aaron is right really complicated, you know, as 494 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,920 Speaker 1: you know, and you and I have discussed like we 495 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 1: I consider him a friend. We haven't talked in a 496 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 1: long time. We didn't have a falling out, there was nothing. 497 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: He just that's just kind of how his life goes. 498 00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: He's a complicated fellow, you know, whereas most of the 499 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: us the world would go like okay, So the starting 500 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: quarterback for a team that was rebuilt, and he won 501 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: the MVP, and you had a home game for the 502 00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: NFC chant your game and they they kind of tinker 503 00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,840 Speaker 1: with some things. They fixed your offensive line. They think 504 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 1: they resigned your start running back. What what? What are 505 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: we What are you mad about? A guy who hasn't 506 00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 1: played two years in college, who's a project quarterback? What 507 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 1: are we mad about? So he's a complicated deep thinker. 508 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: And I look, I agree with you. Why are you 509 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: saying anything? Why? What is the it's what is the win? 510 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: I'll give you? Can I give you the personal story? 511 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if I've ever told you this. Yeah, 512 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: I was doing the ACC semi final between Duke I'm 513 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 1: gonna say Maryland right. It was in the two thousand 514 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: and eight, two thousand and nine Variety and Mike Shashevski, 515 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: with the exception of a couple of times in the 516 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:04,520 Speaker 1: NCAA tournament, he's never done those halftime interviews, doesn't But 517 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 1: we're getting ready. They're walking off the floor and they 518 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:11,120 Speaker 1: grabbed Chris Collins, who at the time was his associate 519 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: head coach, and they asked Chris Collins a couple of 520 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: questions and the answers come to us and I'll never 521 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: forget this. You know, we're we kind of you know, 522 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: we got like one comment. I'm sitting there next to 523 00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: Tom Brennan, it's a long time coach at Vermont, and 524 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: I said, well, that was a that was a missed opportunity, 525 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: and what do you mean. I was like, well, I 526 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: like Chris. Chris is a friend of mine. We're about 527 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 1: the same age, a little older than me. But I 528 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: don't want to hear from Chris Collins. I wanted here 529 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: from the coach of Team USA. I wanted here from 530 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 1: Mike Chevski. And if he doesn't want to do the interview, 531 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: why are we interviewing the assistant coach. I've been in 532 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: the locker room at halftime for all these teams, plus 533 00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 1: my own team. The assistant coach who has a skater report, 534 00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: he says something Otherwise the rest of them, they don't 535 00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: say anything. The head coach is the one doing the talking. 536 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 1: So the players are are listening to the head coach. 537 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 1: Why are we gonna listen to the assistant coach? All right? 538 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 1: And they were like, I don't want to touch it. Right, 539 00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: we get down, we go to break and at ESPN 540 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: in studioc, which is there was the it was like 541 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 1: the working everybody's working in the background, if you get 542 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 1: what that was called the stats guys. Everybody's work cutting 543 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: tape in the background. It's like a working studio. There's 544 00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 1: a red phone in the red phone rix. Red phone 545 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,160 Speaker 1: was like reserved for like five people. And one of 546 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:34,959 Speaker 1: them called me and said like, what the fuck are 547 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: you doing? And I was like, halftime, don't ever ever 548 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: do that again. I was like, what did I do? Like, 549 00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: why are you calling out coach k for not doing 550 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,560 Speaker 1: the halftime interview? I go, well, because it's bullshit, Like 551 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: he can't do two questions. He goes, I'm not, I'm 552 00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:57,000 Speaker 1: not disagreeing with that as bullshit. But Duke has a 553 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,600 Speaker 1: relationship with ESPN and mics chefs. He doesn't want to 554 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: do the interview. Well, Mike Chevsky's not doing the interview. 555 00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: That's the way it goes, right, And the last thing 556 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: we need is you screwing up the relationship because you 557 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: want to make a comment that. I was like, well, 558 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm just a viewer at home who's educated, 559 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: going like, why am I listening to assistant coach, and 560 00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: nobody listens to the assistant coach. That's the way it works. 561 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:20,440 Speaker 1: And he said, and this was a really good advice, 562 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: what's the win? Right, what's the win? What did you win? 563 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:29,160 Speaker 1: You want credit, you want credibility for saying being a 564 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: tough guy, what's the win? Comment on the game, or 565 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: don't comment on the game, But what's the win? That's 566 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,160 Speaker 1: the thing with Mark Murphy, what was the win in 567 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: that comment? Especially after you just chastise everybody else for 568 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: making public comments like what are you doing? Like do 569 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 1: you really want to piss Aaron Rodgers off? Or do 570 00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: you wanted to play quarterback? Because as it stands now, 571 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: he's got to play quarterback. He's not sitting the whole year. 572 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: He's not a dope. He's trying to make a point, 573 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 1: and it's kind of you're kind of making the point 574 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: for him because his point is more this is just 575 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: egos run a muck, right, This is I think what 576 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 1: Aaron thinks is Brian Gunnan cuns and this probably is true. 577 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 1: He thinks he found a gem in Jordan and if 578 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: it's close, he's gonna push him out because Jordan's his guy. 579 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,840 Speaker 1: And then when everybody wants credit, right, I want credit, 580 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,479 Speaker 1: Mark Murphy, is it's about ego. I have to be heard. 581 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: You have to hear. I have this funny thing to 582 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: say about Aaron Rodgers. I have to let you in. 583 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: I have to make you understand. Like, no, man, it 584 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: doesn't even matter if you told us something that we 585 00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:37,680 Speaker 1: already know. And it proves to be true that Aaron 586 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: Rodgers is a complicated guy by saying anything, what is 587 00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,400 Speaker 1: the win there? Congratulations? You proved Aaron's point that the 588 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: front office is about the front office and he believes 589 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: the packers are about everybody. And you're dividing just as 590 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:57,960 Speaker 1: much as his comments have divided. I agree with you. 591 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: That's an absolute win for Aaron Rodgers when he's been 592 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: winning only in social media and reality has been taken 593 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,399 Speaker 1: l's all offseason. Yeah, no, it's You could have said 594 00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: it's a complicated situation, but once you said Aaron's a 595 00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: complicated fella, Okay, now it's personal. Now you're calling out 596 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: your star quarterback. Yeah, he also and I don't like 597 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:21,600 Speaker 1: this is a real, real way. Have you ever heard 598 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: had somebody tell you you're really smart and it be 599 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: almost condescending and negative. I've had that like, oh, you're 600 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,919 Speaker 1: just you know, but I do think that they could 601 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: have said, like, look, Aaron's really right, he's brilliant, he's 602 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: he's a very deep thinker, and you know, like, let's 603 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 1: not overthink this thing. He's our quarterback. We love him, 604 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:48,319 Speaker 1: and we apparently haven't made it clear enough how we 605 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: feel about it that you can say. But yes, when 606 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: you say complicated, fella, right, Like if I say you 607 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,879 Speaker 1: and your wife have a complicated relationship, that's not a complan, right, right, 608 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: how is that deal to launch the volume? Oh I 609 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: was complicated? Complicated cannot in by my estimation in twenty 610 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: twenty one, even if it's accurate, be translated into a 611 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 1: positive statement. And so why are you saying that? But again, 612 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,439 Speaker 1: to try and win, and you're lost by trying to win. Well, 613 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: you know, there's the you know, I grew up in 614 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: the country, small town, and and there's always this little 615 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: bit of a low self esteem in the small town, 616 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: and some people resent the big city. And there's that 617 00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:37,200 Speaker 1: saying that we all heard when we were young. You 618 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,280 Speaker 1: think you're better than me, that's what That's what small 619 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,879 Speaker 1: town guy Offen says to bigger city. You think you're better, 620 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: You're gone Hollywood. Yeah right, yeah, gone Hollywood. And I 621 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: think with Aaron there is that sense in small town 622 00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: Wisconsin he thinks he's better than us, and that that's 623 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: what kids say when they're high schoolers or you know, 624 00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: twelve years old, that guy thinks he's better than us. 625 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,520 Speaker 1: I do, and Aaron doesn't help by putting Hollywood stuff 626 00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: all over social media. But I do think there is this, 627 00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, the average marriage last seven or eight years. 628 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you put up with certain things 629 00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: if somebody's beautiful or somebody's talented, but there's that seven 630 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,879 Speaker 1: eight year mark in relationships, just all of them, where 631 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: you get tired of people's shit, right, And I think 632 00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:27,120 Speaker 1: I think Aaron and Green Bay was bound to be problematic, 633 00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: and I just think they've reached that line where they're 634 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,279 Speaker 1: tired of each other shit and it's okay. By the way, 635 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: doesn't mean you don't have two great people, but I mean, Doug, 636 00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 1: it was never a natural fit. Aaron's sort of a 637 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: California cool guy. They were cheese hats. I mean, it's 638 00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like there are I mean, like Eli 639 00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 1: and New York don't feel perfect but it worked for 640 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,839 Speaker 1: some reason. Eli in New York, the country kid, the 641 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 1: Southern kid. It worked far ven Green Bay. To me, 642 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: it worked. I've never Aaron's Green Bay. I feel like 643 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,960 Speaker 1: Aaron should be the quarterback for the Rams. That's what 644 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: I feel like. Or remember, it wasn't until like five 645 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: years ago. There was nothing in La and he always 646 00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: wanted to be with the Niners. So I truly believe 647 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,479 Speaker 1: that it wasn't just that they lost in the NFC 648 00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,960 Speaker 1: Championship game. It's that they lost to Tom Brady. And 649 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: think of the two of the quarterbacks who are pissed, 650 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson. Okay, so he throws a touchdown past Antonio 651 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,640 Speaker 1: Brown and Russell Wilson sitting next to the commissioner of 652 00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 1: the NFL. You remember this, Antonio Brown worked out with 653 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:43,000 Speaker 1: two guys during while I was suspending two, Tom Brady 654 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:46,880 Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson. So again, I don't know this for 655 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,720 Speaker 1: a fact, but I've lived long enough on this planet 656 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: to think he probably went to Seattle and goes like, hey, 657 00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,520 Speaker 1: I can get gab and Seattle being in Seattle, right, 658 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: they've taken on some other problem children in the past, 659 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: being a very liberal city, they're probably like, yeah, I'm 660 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,640 Speaker 1: gonna take a pass in this one. So then he's 661 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: sitting there and he's sitting next to the missioner. You're like, 662 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: are you freaking kidding me? He gets Antonio Brown at 663 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 1: the league minimum. They pushed him through, and he's like, 664 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Of course you're pissed. So then 665 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 1: so you got Aaron Rodgers. And at the end of 666 00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:23,520 Speaker 1: the game, you know, they take off their helmets and 667 00:38:23,560 --> 00:38:27,520 Speaker 1: Tom Brady looks twenty five years old. He's got perfect hair, 668 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,880 Speaker 1: perfect skin. Aaron Rodgers, Scott, he's grown his hair along, 669 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 1: he's got the beard's. I mean like, he's like, I've 670 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: spent my whole life slugging it out in fucking Green Bay, 671 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: and this this this pretty boy who can't move, can't 672 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: do the things, manipulate his arm, can't do what I 673 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:48,040 Speaker 1: can do at this h He beat me, He beat 674 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: me with because he had better players. He beat he 675 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: had better players. That's why he won. He had better players. 676 00:38:56,120 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: And I think there's they're all us an envious. You know, 677 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,799 Speaker 1: I talked to somebody we both know who was in 678 00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,360 Speaker 1: the Culture Organization when Peyton was there. He know, Peyton 679 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 1: has that aug shucks thing, right, Yeah, but every time 680 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,400 Speaker 1: they draft a quarterback, Peyton would call who the F 681 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:17,759 Speaker 1: is this? And then Peyton still doesn't like brock Oswyler, right, 682 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: because they tried to let brock Oswyler play it out 683 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: and say he was hurt when he had a dead 684 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,360 Speaker 1: arm his last year in the NFL. Like, those guys 685 00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:30,239 Speaker 1: are competitive, they see other guys, they make enemies out 686 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: of people, So it is, it is complicated. I think 687 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: the RAMS thing. I think losing to the Niners. I 688 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,839 Speaker 1: think losing to Tom Brady. I think bringing in a 689 00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:43,360 Speaker 1: coach that he is sure he knows more than I 690 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,799 Speaker 1: think looking at other teams and like, dude, can we 691 00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: get one of these other dudes that are available? And no, 692 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,839 Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever been green back. And here's 693 00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: one last thing. This is a This is because you 694 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,400 Speaker 1: love to talk about relationships and you're far better at 695 00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,680 Speaker 1: them talking about than I am. You know, when the 696 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: RelA relationships starts with trauma, it sets it on a 697 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,600 Speaker 1: path to end with drama and trauma. Right, So think 698 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,440 Speaker 1: back to when he was drafted first. Remember last guy 699 00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,880 Speaker 1: in the green room supposed to go number one overall 700 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,319 Speaker 1: and he's just sitting there and you're like, I feel 701 00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,399 Speaker 1: bad for that guy. Then he sits there five kind 702 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,640 Speaker 1: of treats him like ship for a couple of years, 703 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: and then Far retires. Now I'm not gonna tire, come back, retire, 704 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,920 Speaker 1: come back. Then remember Far retired, and then he's like, 705 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:31,239 Speaker 1: no, no no, I want to come back. Like now we're 706 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,719 Speaker 1: gonna give to Aaron. And the first year they weren't great, 707 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: he was good. They found ways to lose games they 708 00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,279 Speaker 1: should win. And so then he goes and plays with 709 00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:42,840 Speaker 1: the Jets. Then he plays with the Vikings and he 710 00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,799 Speaker 1: beats him in their place and goes the NFC Championship game. 711 00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:49,759 Speaker 1: So that thing started with trauma and drama, so it 712 00:40:49,840 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: should it shouldn't surprise us if it ends with trauma 713 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: and drama, because that's how relationships do go. How it ends, 714 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: as many times how it starts. All right, Doug Gottlieb, 715 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: Good stuff, man, We got Rogers college football, some NBA stuff. 716 00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,960 Speaker 1: Nice job, buddy, and thanks for doing this from an 717 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 1: airport in Oklahoma City. Good seeing you, buddy, Thanks later, bro. 718 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Good stuff By Doug Gottlieb at the 719 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 1: Volume Sports Twitter Instagram Rate review subscribe, we'll have Nick 720 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:52,080 Speaker 1: ride on this week. The volume