WEBVTT - 092323 National Headlines Proving we Still Need Social Justice Reform (Part 2)

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<v Speaker 1>If you just tuning in a Civic Cipher, I am

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Ramsey's job. He is Ramsay's job. I am

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<v Speaker 1>q Ward. You our friends are listening to Civic Cipher

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<v Speaker 1>because we got a lot more in store for you.

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<v Speaker 1>As promised, we are going to be talking about that incident,

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<v Speaker 1>very very heartbreaking incident of the police officer who was

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<v Speaker 1>caught laughing at twenty three year old Jenavi Hondula in

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<v Speaker 1>Seattle after she was hit by another police car and

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<v Speaker 1>gued his conversation over the phone that was recorded by

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<v Speaker 1>his camera caught him like laughing and just kind of

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<v Speaker 1>making light of her life. I'm also going to share

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<v Speaker 1>a story about the DC police trainer who ended up

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<v Speaker 1>shooting a black mother who was a police trainee in

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<v Speaker 1>the training class. And we're going to have a conversation

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<v Speaker 1>about police training and how effective it is. So that

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<v Speaker 1>University and the Jesuits have pledged twenty seven million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>in money and land donations to the descendants of nineteenth

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<v Speaker 1>century enslaved people who were sold to fund the highly

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<v Speaker 1>prestigious institution. According to C and N Descendants, The Descendants

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<v Speaker 1>Truth and Reconciliation Foundation confirmed the gift of ten million

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<v Speaker 1>dollars from Georgetown in an additional seventeen million and the

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<v Speaker 1>Jesuits in the form of financial retribution and plantation land. Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>These contributions from Georgetown University and the Jesuits are a

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<v Speaker 1>clear indication of the role Jesuits and other institutions of

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<v Speaker 1>higher education can play and supporting our mission to heal

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<v Speaker 1>the wounds of racism in the United States, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as a call to action for all the Catholic Church

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<v Speaker 1>to take meaningful steps to address the harm done through

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<v Speaker 1>centuries of slaveholding. Monique Trustclaire Maddox, CEO of the Descendants

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<v Speaker 1>Truth and Reconciliation Foundation and share of its board of directors,

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<v Speaker 1>said the donations helped to be a hope to be

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<v Speaker 1>a crucial step in rectifying the injustice enacted upon two

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and seventy two enslaved men, women and children sold

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<v Speaker 1>from Jesuit plantations to settle Georgetown's debts in eighteen thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, baba, becoming a better ally is owning your

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<v Speaker 1>past reparations and sharing those injustices, because having the conversations

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<v Speaker 1>is what allows us to heal. And if Georgetown University

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<v Speaker 1>is going for first Soviet, if.

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<v Speaker 2>Only that way of thinking, it could be more widely adopted,

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<v Speaker 2>more prevalent something. Okay, so let's talk about this story.

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<v Speaker 1>And I know you saw the video. Talk us through

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<v Speaker 1>the video, uh, the officer's conversation, How well, talk to

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<v Speaker 1>us about how you felt when you first saw that,

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<v Speaker 1>because you're the one that sent it to me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wonder a lot of times when we see some

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<v Speaker 2>of these videos, especially when their police body cams, if

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<v Speaker 2>they completely forget that they're wearing them. Because it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>like the officer was having a conversation with himself making

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<v Speaker 2>light of it. And I know that to another officer,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was like, if I make light of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I can feel better about it right, like it was

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<v Speaker 2>almost like convincing himself or themselves that this young lady

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have any work, so that sleeping better at night

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<v Speaker 2>would be easier. And if you guys have ever heard

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<v Speaker 2>Ramses describe anything being killed, not just the person, anything

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<v Speaker 2>with the conscience, anything that's alive, that thing ceasing to

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<v Speaker 2>be alive, should be recognized and talked about with the

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<v Speaker 2>gravity with which Ramses does so. I've always noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>through all of my years talking to him. When talking

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<v Speaker 2>about something ceasing to exist, and I use those words intentionally,

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<v Speaker 2>he speaks about it like something that was once alive

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer and that that life and that breath

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<v Speaker 2>and that consciousness was snuffed out, was taken away, was

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<v Speaker 2>made to stop. And Ramses also speaks about guns in

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<v Speaker 2>a way that maybe more people should. The only use

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<v Speaker 2>case for guns is murder. That's it. That's the only

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<v Speaker 2>reason that they exist. And I'd imagine for some of

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<v Speaker 2>these officers they have to remove the value of life

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<v Speaker 2>to even be able to do the job, especially those

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<v Speaker 2>who take life away like it has no worth. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of self fulfilling. I don't think the first

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<v Speaker 2>time you had that type of conversation was in the

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<v Speaker 2>wake of that young lady being killed. Yeah, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>way of life and a way of thinking for some officers.

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<v Speaker 2>And what you heard is the quiet part out loud.

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<v Speaker 2>So for those that may not know, let me give

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<v Speaker 2>you the quick and dirty version of the story. So

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<v Speaker 2>we're not going to say these officers' names because we

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<v Speaker 2>don't want these people to get famous. We don't believe

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<v Speaker 2>they deserve credit. It's the police. For everyone that feels

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<v Speaker 2>like it's a bad apple. Look at our post about

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<v Speaker 1>Our social media has been kind of booming lately, and

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<v Speaker 1>But I digress. The long and the short of it

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<v Speaker 1>was there was an additional officer separate that we never

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<v Speaker 1>saw video of or whatever. This officer was speeding through

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<v Speaker 1>the city to get to some sort of emergency. Jenavi

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<v Speaker 1>Candula was, if I'm not mistaken, crossing the street or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. The officer didn't see her and he

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<v Speaker 1>ended up hitting her and that's how she lost her life.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's something to be said about what are we

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<v Speaker 1>willing to give up for police speeding through the city.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that there's a there's some things that are

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<v Speaker 1>very difficult to reconcile because police chases often ended people

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<v Speaker 1>being hurt, people losing the life, even officers losing their lives.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's what happened here. And this officer that we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about, what was recorded on his bodycam footage, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it was discovered that he was recording on his bodycam footage.

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<v Speaker 1>He was recalling having responded to that situation because he

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<v Speaker 1>was the officer that they call in to assess the

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<v Speaker 1>officer that was driving, to make sure that that officer

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't been drinking or you know whatever. So basically he

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<v Speaker 1>was the one who came to investigate the officer. So

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<v Speaker 1>what he was saying was, well, let me read it,

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<v Speaker 1>but she is dead, he said on January twenty third,

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<v Speaker 1>before laughing, apparently in response to the person on the phone. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a regular person, he said. Moments later, he replies, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just write a check, and then he laughs. He goes

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<v Speaker 1>on to say, yeah, eleven thousand dollars. She was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six anyway, and then he goes on to say she

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<v Speaker 1>had limited value so you're just like it sounds you're

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<v Speaker 1>hearing part of the conversation half the conversation. Well, that

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<v Speaker 1>was what he was recording. Now, remember that this was

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<v Speaker 1>January twenty third, and we're just getting the footage now.

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<v Speaker 1>So not only does the family and the friends of

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<v Speaker 1>Jenavi Candula have to relive all this because it's in

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<v Speaker 1>the media again, the reason is because it gives you

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<v Speaker 1>insight into how separate, how big the gap is between

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<v Speaker 1>human being and police officer, because that level of disconnect

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<v Speaker 1>can set in. I'm not going to say it does

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<v Speaker 1>for all police officers, but there's definitely a mentality and

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<v Speaker 1>a culture that exists behind that thin blue wall that

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<v Speaker 1>we all know about and you all know about. Don't

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<v Speaker 1>act like we're talking about police cover ups and police

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<v Speaker 1>protecting each other. They know that this stuff is wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>The police investigating, the police in and of it, Celsius

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<v Speaker 2>a super bogus.

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<v Speaker 1>And then as Q mentioned, they say the quiet part

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<v Speaker 1>out loud, what is this? Eight nine months later we

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<v Speaker 1>hear this how he really felt and granted, this wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>a police shooting, This wasn't he didn't even have anything

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<v Speaker 1>to do with her, He didn't have any reason to

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<v Speaker 1>put this woman down. There is just no regard for

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<v Speaker 1>human life. And that man carries a gun for a living.

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<v Speaker 1>For a living, they pay him money to license to

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<v Speaker 1>use it. Oh my god, he has qualified immunity, so

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<v Speaker 1>if he uses it on the job, he cannot be

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<v Speaker 1>held responsible for those actions. They have to go after

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<v Speaker 1>the department and it has to be overwhelmingly negligent and

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<v Speaker 1>criminal and beyond the reach of those police unions in

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<v Speaker 1>order for him to even be held accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>And then, as we've seen sentencing, thank you always lighter,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you cue even when found guilty, even when convicted.

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<v Speaker 1>Now there are people because we see all the trolls

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<v Speaker 1>on the internet, and some people maybe they're not intending

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<v Speaker 1>to be trolls, but you are. But there are people

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<v Speaker 1>that ask questions that from their perspective, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>have to assume that this is all they know. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't break the law and you won't have to

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<v Speaker 1>don't do crimes and you won't have these problems. Listen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's like saying, remember when Paris Hilton wore a shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a mock up, but she had

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<v Speaker 1>that shirt that said stop being poor. It was it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was a joke, but it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a meme a while back. Paris Hilton obviously is

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<v Speaker 1>known for being very wealthy. Her being that wealthy, wearing

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<v Speaker 1>a shirt that says stop being poor is extremely hurtful

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<v Speaker 1>and extremely sensitive. Duh, And so saying stopped doing crime

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<v Speaker 1>is like, uh, duh, I would I I was, matter

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<v Speaker 1>of fact you, I'll tell you this. I was talking

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<v Speaker 1>to a father and son duo today for the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Information Network Daily podcast, and I believe their names are

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Lewis Junior and Tony Lewis Senior if I'm not mistaken,

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<v Speaker 1>So please, for those of you who feel so inclined,

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<v Speaker 1>check out the Black Information Network Daily podcast look for

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<v Speaker 1>those names. Amazing story. The father was sentenced to life

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<v Speaker 1>in prison for selling marijuana. Wow, life in prison? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>he spent thirty four years in prison. He went to

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<v Speaker 1>prison very young, spent thirty four years for selling marijuana,

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<v Speaker 1>and obviously that was an unfair sentence. His son worked

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<v Speaker 1>to get him out and he was on that other podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>But that man told me something that stays with me.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, I was poor, I'm was struggling. I was

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<v Speaker 1>old enough to do something I saw some people doing

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<v Speaker 1>some stuff. That was it that there was no other

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<v Speaker 1>basis for economic advancement. And I don't want to live

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<v Speaker 1>with roaches, and I don't want to live with rats,

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<v Speaker 1>and that seems like the only thing that I can do,

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<v Speaker 1>so I do it. So to those people that say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>just don't do crime, you know you have to understand

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<v Speaker 1>the entirety of the situation. I either live like this

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<v Speaker 1>until I die, or I do my best. I roll

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<v Speaker 1>the dice and I try to get better. But if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the narrative that you insist on having, then let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about fair sentencing across the board. Because we know

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<v Speaker 1>the criminal justice system treats you worse. The darker you are,

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<v Speaker 1>the poorer you are, sad truth right, the less attractive

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<v Speaker 1>you are, that's another one. And these things are that's

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<v Speaker 1>not Rams's opinion. These these are objective facts. You could

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<v Speaker 1>look them up there, documented by the government agencies dot gov.

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<v Speaker 1>I got to look this stuff up all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>I promise I wouldn't lie to you. Okay, but then

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<v Speaker 1>let's still don't have to take our order for it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>look at yourself. Please help me do my job. But

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<v Speaker 1>we'll take it a step further, Let's talk about if

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to roll the dice because you have limited options.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about how the police enforce whatever it is

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<v Speaker 1>that they're enforcing. Let's talk about whether or not the

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<v Speaker 1>police hold humanity at the center of their approach. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>talk about the Stanford experiments, if we're being honest in brief,

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not familiar with the Stanford experiments, it took

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<v Speaker 1>place a Stanford University in California, and it was a

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<v Speaker 1>social experiment used a professor took students, just a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of a group of students, and made half of them

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<v Speaker 1>prison guards and the other half inmates. And again everyone

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<v Speaker 1>knew that it was an experiment, but the psychology of

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<v Speaker 1>the people in power lording that power over people who

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<v Speaker 1>were quote unquote guilty even though they knew they were

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<v Speaker 1>fellow students. They're not really guilty in the real world.

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<v Speaker 1>This experiment had the experiment had to be canceled because

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<v Speaker 1>the guards became so corrupt. There were students, and the

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<v Speaker 1>people across the hall in the cells were students too

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<v Speaker 1>in the real world, and they all knew this, But

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<v Speaker 1>that authority is extremely corruptive and policing. If we're being honest.

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<v Speaker 1>The way recruitment works is they tend to attract bullies.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do you think police are the number one wife

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<v Speaker 1>beaters in the world. I think certainly in this country

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<v Speaker 1>it attracts a lot of bullies. Police got a long

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<v Speaker 1>way to go before they're good. In my book, there's

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<v Speaker 1>to have that standard.

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<v Speaker 2>Well even objectively, you say book, and that makes it

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<v Speaker 2>seem like something else, just based on statistics, based on numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>based on the data that's provided. It's not about Ramsay's book.

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<v Speaker 2>If you just objectively look at the data, like the

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<v Speaker 2>percentage of you know, officers that are you know, involved

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<v Speaker 2>with domestic violence, you know, a per capita data sample

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<v Speaker 2>number one, but it's very high number one. That's not

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<v Speaker 2>in Ramses's book. I want to I want to be clear,

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<v Speaker 2>this is not Rammes's subjective opinion.

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<v Speaker 1>Have a long way to go, period. But you know

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<v Speaker 1>again that that bully, they attract that bully, like have

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<v Speaker 1>you ever seen that punish your logo it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>skull that police have. They put the patch on their

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<v Speaker 1>stuff and you know that sort of thing. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>a very very aggressive sort of culture. And that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>a modern thing. That's a result of the militarization of

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<v Speaker 1>the police, the radicalization of the police in this country,

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm being honest, and it's a far cry from

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood friendly policeman from the fifties and the forties.

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<v Speaker 1>Even those guys were bad to blacken around people, but

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<v Speaker 1>it got way worse, especially for us. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>this officer was one of the people who said the

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<v Speaker 1>quiet part out loud, no regard for the human element here,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is the sort of thing that we've been

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<v Speaker 1>trying to say. So even if for those people that

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<v Speaker 1>troll us online and say, well, listen, man, that pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>woman shouldn't have she should have just listened to the

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<v Speaker 1>police and shouldn't have shoplifted from the store. Okay, fam

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<v Speaker 1>So she deserved to die. The police get the best

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<v Speaker 1>version of the story, and she gets the worst version

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst optics, and the police get the best optics.

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<v Speaker 1>Every time, you know, I'm sure that this guy is

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<v Speaker 1>not going to There's nothing that's going to happen to

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<v Speaker 1>this guy that's clearly doesn't hold a human life in

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<v Speaker 1>any particularly positive light unless it maybe somebody knows.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they'll do some form of pr Right, if

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<v Speaker 2>I get a light suspension or a slap on the

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<v Speaker 2>wrist of or just transfer, life won't changed way. That's

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<v Speaker 2>you know, negative, He'll be fine. He'll continue to laugh

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<v Speaker 2>at the loss of life for people who are, in

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<v Speaker 2>his mind, beneath him.

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<v Speaker 1>So watch this. There's another popular narrative that exists where

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<v Speaker 1>people say, well, police, they just need better training. We

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<v Speaker 1>need better trained officers. Well, listen, we talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before. Remember Kim Potter Dante, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Kim Potter, who I was upset because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>we were giving her way too much benefit of the doubt.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was what I did. But I'll tell you

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<v Speaker 1>why go ahead give.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, that was just you know, the idea that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe she'd made all these mistakes honestly, and her being

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<v Speaker 2>the training officer, the supervisory officer, I just thought that

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<v Speaker 2>was highly unlikely. Okay, So those things were done in

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<v Speaker 2>good faith and that she didn't know the difference between

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<v Speaker 2>her taser and her pistol.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so real quick, Q's gonna You're gonna find out

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<v Speaker 1>why Q's mad at me, because I do act you

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<v Speaker 1>feel that way. But for those that don't remember this,

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<v Speaker 1>is the video that we were able to see where

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<v Speaker 1>there was a white officer woman who was trying to

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<v Speaker 1>arrest Daunte Wright, a young black father. I believe it

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<v Speaker 1>was in Minneapolis or somewhere in Minnesota. Somewhere in Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>He tried to run away from the officers, that's the thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and she like freaked out, got spooked. He was trying

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<v Speaker 1>to jump in the car or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 1>she know, taser, taser, taser, pulled out the gun and

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<v Speaker 1>shot him. And then she started wailing like, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't mean to shoot him. I feel like that

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<v Speaker 1>was an accident. Q. It doesn't like that. I give

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<v Speaker 1>her that much grace. I want to take it a

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<v Speaker 1>step further. Q. Go ahead, and you can yell at

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<v Speaker 1>me in just a second. But the point with her

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<v Speaker 1>was that she was responsible for the training, so she

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<v Speaker 1>was the best training whatever. There's a story that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to sure about a DC police trainer, Jesse Porter,

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<v Speaker 1>who shot a young mother. She was the officer too,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was training her. I'd believe to work in

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<v Speaker 1>the library or something like that. He shot her like

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<v Speaker 1>as a joke. He turned around, pulled out his gun.

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<v Speaker 1>He says he meant to pull out his practice or

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<v Speaker 1>dummy gun or something like that. He pulled out his

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<v Speaker 1>real gun, shot her in the chest in the class,

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<v Speaker 1>in front of everybody. There's a video of this. She

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<v Speaker 1>dies on the floor and he's throwing his hands up like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I didn't There's no audio, so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know this is what he's saying, but you could

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<v Speaker 1>see that. You know what a human being is going through.

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<v Speaker 1>And you see his reaction to that moment, and everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>freaking out, especially him. He tries to do CPR, that

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<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff. He was training the class. Okay, Also,

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<v Speaker 1>this training narrative has existed since the fifties sixties civil

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<v Speaker 1>rights movement. I looked it up. It's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>political zombies that never dies. Like trickled down economic. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. You've had decades to try it. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>a real thing. Well, I tell you what. Police training

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work. I looked that up. I have a whole

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<v Speaker 1>episode on that on the Black Information Network Daily podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I did the research. Police training does not work. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>the best results showed that officers' behaviors changed somewhat for

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<v Speaker 1>about a month and then they reverted to type, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's indicative of the overwhelming influence of police culture.

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<v Speaker 1>When people talk about the system, I think that the

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<v Speaker 1>culture is a big part of that. And so being

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<v Speaker 1>a police officer taking a moment and ducking out and

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<v Speaker 1>getting training here and there, that doesn't stick. What more

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<v Speaker 1>than likely is going to stick is that culture. You

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<v Speaker 1>get back in with your guys, you're moving around, you

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<v Speaker 1>get you know, start consuming the same media and conversation

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<v Speaker 1>with same people to feel the same way, and you're

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<v Speaker 1>revert to type and back at it. And as we've seen,

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<v Speaker 1>we can't even trust the training officers with a gun.

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<v Speaker 1>So guns are dangerous. Police culture is dangerous, And there's

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<v Speaker 1>a stunning silence from the masses. Not for me in UQ,

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<v Speaker 1>but a stunning silence. There was a moment where some

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<v Speaker 1>people became a little bit more critical in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>but all these police shootings that we've seen since then,

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<v Speaker 1>no protests, no nothing, you know, I know that there's

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<v Speaker 1>no pandemic.

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<v Speaker 2>Even more strange than it was blaming the increase in

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<v Speaker 2>police violence against citizens on the idea that we protested

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<v Speaker 2>against man.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how these these wicked, weird like do

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<v Speaker 1>we not live in the same reality. How are you

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<v Speaker 1>able to get that off and it float anywhere? But

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<v Speaker 1>this is what we felt you needed to know today,

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<v Speaker 1>so we'll leave it right there. As always, i'd like

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<v Speaker 1>to thank you for tuning into CIVICXCPT once again, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>your host, Rams's Jah.

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