Speaker 1: On the Bedel Cast, the questions asked if movies have
Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
Speaker 1: or do they have in individualism the patriarchy? Zef in
Speaker 1: best start changing it with the Bechdel Cast. Hello, and
Speaker 1: welcome to the Bechtel Cast. My name is Caitlin and
Speaker 1: you have a mouthful of seven. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the show. We have a podcast about the
Speaker 1: portrayal of women in movies. It's inspired by the Bechtel Test.
Speaker 1: Here are the things about the test. There have to
Speaker 1: be two women in the movie. They have to have names,
Speaker 1: they have to talk to each other, and their conversation
Speaker 1: can't be about a man. Don't understand, right, Why must
Speaker 1: we have this sounds boring? Lame? Well? Today is an episode.
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I was going to be excited
Speaker 1: for it, and then I watched the movie. I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm really excited. Oh my god. Well
Speaker 1: let's okay, let's jump in the first we have a
Speaker 1: guest speaking of men. He's been restrained. Yes, he's lowering
Speaker 1: his head in shame for being a man, as he should.
Speaker 1: We didn't bring out the Chaine. This time. It's just bungees, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: just bungees. If no one puts up, if no one
Speaker 1: seems too aggressive, we're like, okay, you're just you're bungee.
Speaker 1: He could escape if he really wanted, right, but we'll
Speaker 1: fight back. He seems fine, Yeah, he'll be He'll be
Speaker 1: great because he is great. He is the co host
Speaker 1: of the Percast, he's the producer of My Favorite Murder,
Speaker 1: and he's the host of a new podcast about the
Speaker 1: movie we're talking about today, a Jurassic Park. It's called
Speaker 1: See Jurassic Right, Stephen Ray Morris, thank you both for
Speaker 1: having me. Thanks super excited for me. I know you're happy.
Speaker 1: You're a like Jurassic Park scholar. You're a scholar that's
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. Pressure pressure. I mean, I just
Speaker 1: I think it's one of those things where you're like,
Speaker 1: you know, when you're in college and you're like I
Speaker 1: want to love like insert impressive movie title here, But
Speaker 1: then I think over time, I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: this is my favorite movie, Like just this is the
Speaker 1: thing that brings me the most joy. So, and you've
Speaker 1: written a collection of essays, collection of essays on Thought
Speaker 1: Catalog just kind of like the phase one of the
Speaker 1: podcasts that I'm doing now, which is just me wanting
Speaker 1: to just excessively nerd out about like the things that
Speaker 1: I just like about this movie and this franchise, you know,
Speaker 1: problems with the things that are interesting to talk about
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. Because I went, like you,
Speaker 1: I went to film school. So it's just a way
Speaker 1: to almost feel like I was using my degree time out.
Speaker 1: I just want everyone to know that I do have
Speaker 1: two degrees in film. One of them is a master's
Speaker 1: degree in screen running from Boston University. This is my
Speaker 1: go on, this is my new thing. I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: being a denier and like show us the show us
Speaker 1: the diploma. I have a diploma at my house. I
Speaker 1: will take a photo of it. And I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a truth. I'm going to be a Caitlin Grad
Speaker 1: School truther. We haven't seen the diploma. We don't know. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'll prove it. I got proof. We're gonna make We're
Speaker 1: gonna turn this into a dystopian podcast in which I
Speaker 1: am Donald Trump. Yeah, and I would like to be
Speaker 1: the villain. Please, Hey, that's fine. We need villains out there.
Speaker 1: Without evil. There could be no good, so it's good
Speaker 1: to be evil sometimes. That is a line from a
Speaker 1: song from the South Park movie. Here's what my dad
Speaker 1: used to say when he would be smoking outside of
Speaker 1: our house and I'd say, hey, Dad, stop smoking, it's
Speaker 1: bad for you. You'd say, sometimes it feels good to
Speaker 1: be bad, and then he keeps smoking. Cool. It was
Speaker 1: pretty cool. I mean in that way, I probably should
Speaker 1: be a smoker, because that's a moment where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sold. Yeah, Well it's even question for you. So
Speaker 1: we're talking about the ninety three o G Jurassic Park.
Speaker 1: Is this your favorite one out of all of the Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean it seems it's the only good one, so um, okay,
Speaker 1: I believe. I mean, it's that thing with Jurassic Park
Speaker 1: that the unfortunate thing is that, unlike other bigger franchises,
Speaker 1: the original is just so far and away better than
Speaker 1: the other ones that it's like people probably don't even
Speaker 1: know that there were other ones. Yeah, Lost World, the
Speaker 1: second one wasn't terrible, but by no means is it
Speaker 1: as good as Tragic Part. No, it's kind of a dragon.
Speaker 1: Even Steven Spielberg said he was like, it's not as
Speaker 1: good and I was kind of I love that he
Speaker 1: admits movies he's directed are not that good. He's like,
Speaker 1: templa doom, I don't care for it, stinker. I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess once you reach a certain point
Speaker 1: of money, you're like, well, I may as well tell
Speaker 1: the truth. I love that I was reading a lot
Speaker 1: about the productor. I mean, I'm sure I'm stating I'm
Speaker 1: going to bring no new facts to the table for
Speaker 1: most people. But I love that he was like doing
Speaker 1: post for this movie while filming Schindler's List, just for
Speaker 1: some levity. At the end of the day, it's like,
Speaker 1: what we've been doing the list all day, I'm going
Speaker 1: I'm going back to my my little whatever, probably very
Speaker 1: nice house I'm staying in, and I'm gonna look at
Speaker 1: some dinos to one some Dino dailies some Yeah, I
Speaker 1: didn't even think about that. Yeah, that like that would
Speaker 1: be the levity. At the end of the day, He's like,
Speaker 1: let's do the Schindler's List dailies first and then I'll
Speaker 1: watch the right. Mean, we don't have a confronted but
Speaker 1: I would have to assume you don't want to watch
Speaker 1: the Schindler's list dailies before bed, you want to watch
Speaker 1: the dinos? I would imagine, how are the dinosaur robots
Speaker 1: coming along? That seems that seems like a better midnight snack.
Speaker 1: I'll do the recap of Jurassic Park, please do, Okay,
Speaker 1: I will. So we meet a velociraptor and it's like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat somebody a lot of ambient dino noises
Speaker 1: great instead of asting. So we learned that there's a
Speaker 1: thing called Jurassic Park. It's a it's an amusement park.
Speaker 1: And but because there was this attack, the creator of
Speaker 1: Jurassic Park, John Hammond, needs to bring on these x
Speaker 1: berts to endorse this park. So he finds doctor Grant
Speaker 1: and Dr Sadler, these paleo. Is this a hotties only rule?
Speaker 1: Then it's like I need experts, but only hot experts,
Speaker 1: hot scientists only. Yeah, I mean that's true to the
Speaker 1: book in all of Michael Crichton, where he only allowed
Speaker 1: well at least in terms of you know, if we're
Speaker 1: getting into the podcast itself, like Michael Crichton only allowed
Speaker 1: hot women to be scientists in his books. Like I've
Speaker 1: read all of his books and it's like for him,
Speaker 1: he can't see outside of that. It's like, you can
Speaker 1: be a math genius, but you still have to be hot.
Speaker 1: Then he's unnoticed. I went through a weird Michael Crichton
Speaker 1: phase when I was a kid where I read a lot.
Speaker 1: I didn't read Jurassic Park, but I read a lot
Speaker 1: of Michael Crichton. Was a real Crichton head? Was your favorite?
Speaker 1: The one with all the numbers was the one? Uh,
Speaker 1: where is it? Drama string? No, I gotta look at it.
Speaker 1: It was not a good one, but that I was
Speaker 1: like really obsessed with a movie of his. Prissy, I'll
Speaker 1: file figure out what my what my little Creighton thing was.
Speaker 1: So he approaches these two dinosaur experts and it's like,
Speaker 1: comm endorse my park, and they're like, well, okay, because
Speaker 1: he promises to fund their dig. They just found a
Speaker 1: raptor skeleton. Anyway. Meanwhile, there's a there's a lawyer also,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I don't just don't know about this.
Speaker 1: I represent these investors and and I don't know. There's
Speaker 1: an accident and it's everything's I don't know, And then pray, oh, pray,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, we're just yeah, praise no there's I would
Speaker 1: just remember being like, oh, nano cool, and then next
Speaker 1: there's another really bad Michael Crich. I haven't read any
Speaker 1: of them, including Drastic Park. Yeah. I think I think
Speaker 1: he tapped out at some point. He's got a million
Speaker 1: billion dinoh dollars. Yeah, he doesn't need it. He's dead. Wait,
Speaker 1: he's dead. No, I didn't know he was dead. Well,
Speaker 1: I just felt that it was like all that in
Speaker 1: my guy. He died on election night when Obama was elected.
Speaker 1: Two do you think of that? Whatever you're about to say,
Speaker 1: I do think Lord taketh away. Well, I was just
Speaker 1: I was talking with someone yesterday about how I forget
Speaker 1: why it came up. Oh, I was. I was on
Speaker 1: a date and I was really struggling for topics, and
Speaker 1: I said that, Hey, the day I was born, Larry
Speaker 1: Bird retired, and my mom thought that his spirit of
Speaker 1: greatness went into me. So you not only have Larry
Speaker 1: Bird's spirit, but you also have Patrick Swayze. I have
Speaker 1: shared the same birthday. The angels have my back. But
Speaker 1: the funny thing is my mom would always say, you
Speaker 1: have Larry Bird's spirit of greatness. Larry Bird is not dead,
Speaker 1: he just retired that day so Larry birds walking around
Speaker 1: without his spirit because I had to have it, because
Speaker 1: I have it and that's why I'm so good at basketball.
Speaker 1: The end anyway, So I'm going to get through this
Speaker 1: recap as quickly as possible. The Dino experts, they come,
Speaker 1: they rot, they come, They arrive to Jurassic Park car
Speaker 1: along with dr Ian Malcolm, who's a Chaotitian? Is that
Speaker 1: Jeff Goldblum? Yes? Why is it? Why is every hot
Speaker 1: lady in l A have a picture with Jeff Goldblum touching?
Speaker 1: Because he plays with the Rockwell, he needs to cut
Speaker 1: it out and starting to look perverted. I needed to stop.
Speaker 1: Every man on Tinder, if you live in l A
Speaker 1: has a photo with Jeff Goldblum, those are the rules.
Speaker 1: He needs to make a new rule of I'm not
Speaker 1: going to touch the audience members anymore. A friend of
Speaker 1: the cast, Josh Fadum, brought this. I us like, why
Speaker 1: does everyone have a picture? Where do you go? Where
Speaker 1: do you get one? And I was like, wherever? I
Speaker 1: know where you go. There's a place in a time
Speaker 1: and you bring your Instagram and you and you get
Speaker 1: a million likes. It's a cheap code. Jeff Goldblum pervert done? Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: campaign do you really live here if you don't have
Speaker 1: a weird perverted picture with Jeff Goldblum hunching over and
Speaker 1: touching you after playing jazz music? I don't know, you
Speaker 1: know what? I like Jeff Goldblum, So I am you
Speaker 1: would him to you? I would let him touch me.
Speaker 1: Consent is important. That is a big message we have
Speaker 1: here on the podcast, especially when it comes to Jeff
Speaker 1: Goldblum's jazz concert. I wouldn't consent to attend a Jeff
Speaker 1: Goldblum jazz concert, but that's fine. Yeah, yeah, he has
Speaker 1: to come to me, come to one of the comedy
Speaker 1: shows I do in a basement, right he should. He
Speaker 1: should be going to supporting more live ault comedy. Hey,
Speaker 1: Jeff Goldbluin was your problem? Why do you need the art?
Speaker 1: Come on out to the comedy scene in l A,
Speaker 1: Menia has time to sell tacos from a taco truck?
Speaker 1: Why not really does he? Yeah? Oh god, alright, Well
Speaker 1: more on that La. Sorry, we got a story to
Speaker 1: talk about. They arrive at Jurassic Park and they're like,
Speaker 1: holy fuck, they didn't even know dinosaurs were going to
Speaker 1: be there, and the dinosaur experts were like, whoa, I
Speaker 1: guess our jobs are obsolete. And then there's this guy
Speaker 1: named Dennis ned Ree who feels that he was not
Speaker 1: paid well enough by Jurassic Park creator John Hammond, and
Speaker 1: he decides to funk them over by selling the embryos
Speaker 1: of the dinosaurs to a competing company, I suppose. So
Speaker 1: he has to like do all this stuff where he
Speaker 1: shuts down different systems and in security things around the park,
Speaker 1: tons of grids. He shuts them all down so that
Speaker 1: he can steal these embryos and then he leaves with
Speaker 1: them in a shaving can product place, right, So he
Speaker 1: basically makes it so the whole park, all the security measures,
Speaker 1: all the electric fences and everything like that are shut
Speaker 1: down and totally off. So the dino experts and John
Speaker 1: Hammond's grandchildren Lex and Tim show up and they're like,
Speaker 1: we want to go on the ride too, So they
Speaker 1: go on this little Draassic Park tour, but all the
Speaker 1: systems shut down and the dinosaurs start to come out,
Speaker 1: and they're like, there's a goat. So t Rex shows
Speaker 1: up the artists, but only with your mouth only. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna become a mouthfully Yeah. T Rex shows up,
Speaker 1: Delapasaurus shows up, The raptors get out of their cage
Speaker 1: and all help. Just like Ian Malcolm predicted, Hey do
Speaker 1: you guys want to take a picture of me? He's like,
Speaker 1: life finds a way, and then life does find a way.
Speaker 1: He was right, that's his that's Jeff Goldblum's I see
Speaker 1: dead people. M mmmmm yeah, shout da friend of the cast,
Speaker 1: Friend of the cast, Dailey Jewel, where are you? I'm
Speaker 1: kidding you want to answer? So hell breaks loose, A
Speaker 1: bunch of people die, including the lawyer guy and Muldoon,
Speaker 1: this British Safari man we'll call him, and then they
Speaker 1: all have to like, fuck, how do we and then
Speaker 1: they turn the systems back on. There's this great climactic
Speaker 1: scene where the raptor you're a bound to get them,
Speaker 1: and then t Rex swoops in and saves the day
Speaker 1: the end, and then he's like, Mr Hammond, I've decided
Speaker 1: not to endorse your park. So that's beautiful, Thank you,
Speaker 1: good good recap. That was a good one. I usually
Speaker 1: do a fucking terrible job. That was really good. I
Speaker 1: think it's because I've had most of a small bottle
Speaker 1: of wine. I think that we should encourage people to
Speaker 1: drink more alcohol and then they'll do a better job
Speaker 1: at whatever they're trying to do. Yeah, maybe not the
Speaker 1: best message to know. I wasn't there, I wasn't being now.
Speaker 1: I just feel like I should have brought you and drink. Yeah. Sorry, um,
Speaker 1: sometimes it feels good to be bad. Okay, so that's
Speaker 1: the story. But what does it mean? What doesn't mean?
Speaker 1: You're here? Okay? If you can't tell. I love this
Speaker 1: movie so much. It's probably one of my top five
Speaker 1: favorite movies of all time. I have seen it dozens
Speaker 1: of times. I love it, and it's it's just it's
Speaker 1: so good. It's I would say, a perfect movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so good, Jamie. You just saw it, and I
Speaker 1: thought I was thrilled you liked it. I did like it,
Speaker 1: liked it a lot. And I'm not I'm not a
Speaker 1: big blockbuster girl. I'm not a big movie person. I
Speaker 1: did watch the movie, the documentary about Hull Cogan and
Speaker 1: journalistic ethics twice, and that's usually what's a little more
Speaker 1: my speed. That one's not going to pass the Backel test.
Speaker 1: That's on me. I really enjoyed this movie. It was
Speaker 1: so much fun. I watched it two times. I did
Speaker 1: I did a kaylin. I watched it one time and
Speaker 1: then I said, you know what, I could I could
Speaker 1: stomach this again, which to me is like, wow, I
Speaker 1: Muso really liked that movie. I'm impressed. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 1: like movies that much. I know. Yeah, welcome to our
Speaker 1: movie podcast. I know, episode but fifty. There's it feels
Speaker 1: pretty breezy in comparison to like blockbusters now that are
Speaker 1: like two and a half hours, like Transformers and all
Speaker 1: that stuff. It's a quick one. Yeah, and it's also
Speaker 1: it's also in you know, still before the era before
Speaker 1: like blockbusters had to be filtered through a blue filter.
Speaker 1: The whole thing is fucking blue. Is three hours long.
Speaker 1: And there's they're like, but it's really about philosophy, and
Speaker 1: like this movie is is I mean, it has meant
Speaker 1: you can unpack a lot, but they're not they're not
Speaker 1: heaping it upon you. You can take it or leave it. Sure,
Speaker 1: fun movie, I mean directed by Steven Spielberg, very competent director,
Speaker 1: one of my favorites. Well, I hope he uses that
Speaker 1: very confident the fat podcast. Yeah, you're welcome for my
Speaker 1: incredible endorsement. Steven. Anyway, it's just such a terrific movie
Speaker 1: and it's kind of nice, like I was rewatching it
Speaker 1: just I mean, I kind of just wake up to
Speaker 1: it every day just in my head. But like that,
Speaker 1: it is a movie where it has a lot of
Speaker 1: set up and then once it let's go, then it's
Speaker 1: just kind of like going, and it doesn't necessary at
Speaker 1: least stop other than when Dr Sadler and Hammond eat
Speaker 1: ice cream, Like that's the only slow scene, like once
Speaker 1: the action starts. But I love that scene though, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you never had control, that's the illusion. I think that's
Speaker 1: would have been funny if you dropped his ice cream.
Speaker 1: S Um, that's isn't Like there's so much foreshadowing and
Speaker 1: like plant and payoff in this movie and it just
Speaker 1: shows so much restraint. We don't meet t Rex until
Speaker 1: an hour and three minutes into the movie. Miss you
Speaker 1: can talk to There's a bow um because I had
Speaker 1: been on the Jurassic Park raft ride multiple times before
Speaker 1: seeing this movie for the first time, and then I
Speaker 1: went back to make sure that this story had started
Speaker 1: as this is going to be a roller coaster eventually,
Speaker 1: and for sure it was because Crichton rest in Paradise apparently,
Speaker 1: which is really allegedly. I think it's a I think
Speaker 1: it's a kaufman esque prank and Krechton is still with us.
Speaker 1: But anyways, Crichton was writing the book, took a meeting
Speaker 1: with Spielberg talking about e Er apparently, and he was like, Hey, also,
Speaker 1: I like dinosaurs, and this is what men talk about
Speaker 1: at lunch. They're like, yeah, I like trains and dinosaurs
Speaker 1: and fucking ladies. And Steven Spielberg said, well, what about dinosaurs?
Speaker 1: And so he knew this was going to be a
Speaker 1: movie before he finished the book, and knew it was
Speaker 1: going to be a Spielberg movie. So he also knew
Speaker 1: it was going to be a roller coaster. Like knowing
Speaker 1: that and then watching the movie again, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this kind of informs the way a roller coaster would happen.
Speaker 1: You're not going to tote out the t rex right away? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. You gotta you gotta metaphorically build it. Oh,
Speaker 1: this is another theme park ride movie. We're gonna get
Speaker 1: around to the Country Bears and I cannot wait. I'm
Speaker 1: sure that's a very woman. Everyone's gonna love it. All Right,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the portrayal of women in this pod
Speaker 1: in this movie, I don't know so, as was hinted
Speaker 1: at earlier missed t Rex, because all the dinosaurs are women.
Speaker 1: They're female. I like that. I like that all the
Speaker 1: dangerous killing machines are women. But then but then also
Speaker 1: they are being kept in captivity by mostly man man.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know Steven your take. But then
Speaker 1: they break free? Sorry there free? Well, and then that
Speaker 1: that's actually one of my questions that I was curious
Speaker 1: to hear your thoughts on it, because it is that
Speaker 1: thing where it's like and that's the one thing I
Speaker 1: kind of liked about Drastic World that Chris Pratt's character
Speaker 1: was so like their female dinosaurs and he has this
Speaker 1: kind of like like insistent, like O C. D insistence
Speaker 1: that everyone referred to them as like she all that stuff.
Speaker 1: But like, I guess my thought is, allies, yeah, we're
Speaker 1: dis or allies, We're not going to miss gender these dinosaurs.
Speaker 1: And but yeah, I guess my question is does them
Speaker 1: all being female really impact the narrative in a way,
Speaker 1: and like how does it really affected or mean I
Speaker 1: was mostly saying it as a joke, but well, no,
Speaker 1: I mean that's just my curiosity about it, because it
Speaker 1: was really interesting when Hasbro released the Jurassic World toys,
Speaker 1: they called them all he and like there's a big
Speaker 1: outcry in the community, and so in Jurassic World they're
Speaker 1: all still Yeah. It's just one of those things where
Speaker 1: I feel like it maybe just plays the most into Dr.
Speaker 1: Sadler's line where, you know, women inherit the earth kind
Speaker 1: of thing, like the idea that maybe these dinosaurs are
Speaker 1: like taking back from, you know, the patriarchy and society
Speaker 1: by destroying it all, or I think stuff like that. Well,
Speaker 1: it does play a significant role in the story, and
Speaker 1: that they deliberately genetically engineer the dinosaurs to be all
Speaker 1: females so that they don't breed because they have to
Speaker 1: control they're breeding, right, But then life finds a way.
Speaker 1: But okay, here's and this is maybe a stupid question
Speaker 1: from someone who just saw Drastic Park for the first time.
Speaker 1: If Devil's Advocate they made all the dinosaurs men and
Speaker 1: there were no eggs to be stolen, wouldn't that have
Speaker 1: really fucked up the plot of the movie? Es the
Speaker 1: dinosaurs were just coming and then they were like, well,
Speaker 1: there goes that one a bucket, just like roaming around
Speaker 1: the park. Like dinoaches come in the slop bucket, all right,
Speaker 1: that's Jeff Goldblum's job, and the dinosaurs come into the bucket. Well,
Speaker 1: wouldn't they still need to be female to lay the
Speaker 1: eggs or how do they do that? I think the
Speaker 1: ones that we see like with like Beaty Wong, like
Speaker 1: in the beginning, I think those were like artificially inseminated,
Speaker 1: but then the ones later in the movie are realized,
Speaker 1: so like that would funk up that point in in
Speaker 1: the plot. Yeah, I'm just being critical of Crichton, you know,
Speaker 1: because that's why I came here to do. But now
Speaker 1: he's dead, and now I'm being disrespectful. I can't believe
Speaker 1: he's been dead for almost ten years. What did I
Speaker 1: think he was up to? No idea being more anti
Speaker 1: global warming stuff. Yeah, he's a climate change denier. He was.
Speaker 1: He's dead. Now he's one with the earth, which is
Speaker 1: fine according to him. I mean he still is releasing novels,
Speaker 1: which is the weirder part. What they still keep finding
Speaker 1: manuscripts of books, like they just released a new one
Speaker 1: this year. Like that's why I thought he wasn't dead.
Speaker 1: Because I was like, I've seen his name recently. Oh,
Speaker 1: but his ghost is just really same books now. Shout
Speaker 1: shout out to the movie Ghost. Shout out to the
Speaker 1: movie Ghost. Shout out to Crichton's Ghost, which is a
Speaker 1: movie that I will write starting the second Ist podcast records.
Speaker 1: I can't wait Creon's Ghost. More importantly than the all
Speaker 1: the dinosaurs being female, let's talk about the actual human
Speaker 1: women in the movie. Doctor Ellie Sadler a woman in
Speaker 1: stem She's a paleobotanist. Hell yeah. And then there's Lex
Speaker 1: who is a computer hacker and a computer whiz technopagan.
Speaker 1: Either way, I feel like that's what she grow up
Speaker 1: to be. What is a techno pagan? Like it wasn't
Speaker 1: that X Fox episode, but I almost imagine, like I
Speaker 1: was talking to something the other day, if there was, Like,
Speaker 1: if her character was around in Jurassic World, she'd probably
Speaker 1: be like hacking intother systems to try and shut down
Speaker 1: the new park. It's like desecrating the memory of her
Speaker 1: grandfather or something. Okay, I like it. I love hacking scenes,
Speaker 1: especially the further back you go, the crazier the hacking
Speaker 1: scenes get. The word main frame is in vote quota.
Speaker 1: I'm in the main frame. That's like on my bucket
Speaker 1: list of something to say, and to know that that
Speaker 1: is actually what I mean to say. I sometimes will
Speaker 1: just say it to myself when I like I'm at
Speaker 1: Duncan Donuts, I get into WiFi packed into the main room. Anyways,
Speaker 1: either way, she's a woman in STEM, I would say technology,
Speaker 1: she's so, we've got two women in STEM, and then
Speaker 1: then they the only two women and women and the women.
Speaker 1: I guess that's what I meant by my question with
Speaker 1: the dinosaurs being female. It's like there's that thing where
Speaker 1: it's like, would it pass the back to test if
Speaker 1: they were talking about the dinosaurs, like because it's like,
Speaker 1: doesn't count because they're not human. So like that part
Speaker 1: of that conversation if they are talking about dinosaurs, if
Speaker 1: it's two women talking about dinosaurs, yes, I would say
Speaker 1: it passes the Backtel test because they're not human. Man.
Speaker 1: And also we'll get to this later, but there's a
Speaker 1: scene where the two raptors are vocal with each other.
Speaker 1: They're communicating with their stretch, and I would say that
Speaker 1: us is the Bechdel test stretch. Well, well, wait, we
Speaker 1: don't know their name. Big all stretch. We don't know
Speaker 1: those those raptors names, so maybe doesn't pass. But it's
Speaker 1: called Runner and Yeller. So we have these two women,
Speaker 1: and I like these two women a lot, but they
Speaker 1: are surrounded by a whole slew of men because there's
Speaker 1: Dr Alan Grant, Dr Ian Malcolm, John Hammond, the Little Boy, Tim,
Speaker 1: Mr Arnold, Muldoon, Gennaro, Dennis Nedri, Beaty Wong, which which
Speaker 1: brings us to the age old Bechtel cast refrain, what
Speaker 1: if two or three of these characters were just named Cassandra?
Speaker 1: What would be different? Oh, I don't know, fucking nothing. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: make make the lawyer be a woman. Have Mr Arnold.
Speaker 1: Although I would not trade Samuel L. Jackson in this
Speaker 1: role for the world, let's leave him um. I did
Speaker 1: for one website. I did a gender swap cast thing
Speaker 1: for this movie a couple of years ago, which I
Speaker 1: thought because Laura Dern was like an arthouse like Lynch
Speaker 1: Darling at this time, so I thought it'd be fun
Speaker 1: if like Ryan Gosling was playing that and then and
Speaker 1: then having Elizabeth Mossy Grant like I thought that would
Speaker 1: be like a good I like it, and having a
Speaker 1: cap Blanchet be John Hammond. I think she she'd rock
Speaker 1: the cap. Yeah, for sure, I like that a lot.
Speaker 1: We'll link that in the I'm interested in this, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll send you the link to the So the point
Speaker 1: is it's a couple I think strong, great female characters
Speaker 1: surrounded by men. And then there's all these scenes like
Speaker 1: the first scene you see where they're unloading one of
Speaker 1: the raptors into like the raptor paddock, and it's all men.
Speaker 1: And then there's another scene where genera the lawyer goes
Speaker 1: to talk to the dude who's I guess in an
Speaker 1: amber mine? He's looking for amber, and uh, those are
Speaker 1: all men in that scene. You see the scene where
Speaker 1: they're on the tour and it's all these Jurassic Park
Speaker 1: scientists all but one man. There's one lady with a
Speaker 1: top bun, everyone else as a man. It's me, it's you,
Speaker 1: you were in this movie. But the point is, it's
Speaker 1: just like crazy that we have to like look at
Speaker 1: these scenes and like really like examines and study to
Speaker 1: be like, wait, is that a woman? Wait that over there?
Speaker 1: And it's because they're just almost always populated by men,
Speaker 1: and it's annoying that it seems like this default to
Speaker 1: just being filled with men and they're being no or
Speaker 1: maybe one woman, I think, and I feel like with
Speaker 1: this story, it's possible to over analyze it or like
Speaker 1: give it more thought about how much thought was put
Speaker 1: into gender than Michael Crichton would ever. May he rest
Speaker 1: in peace. But like you know, it's like you can
Speaker 1: technically make the argument of Okay, we have this colony
Speaker 1: of all female dinosaurs, but they're being regulated and trying
Speaker 1: to be contained by men, but they're busting and did it,
Speaker 1: and like we can make this argument. I have a
Speaker 1: hard time believing that Michael Crichton or Steven Spielberg or
Speaker 1: really anyone involved in this project in a high level
Speaker 1: actually thought about the role of gender. That's hard. So
Speaker 1: it's like, well, you can analyze it that way if
Speaker 1: it makes you feel better, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: they actually intended it to. That's the beauty of art,
Speaker 1: though it doesn't matter what the artists intended. I don't
Speaker 1: want to art to give men more credit than they deserve,
Speaker 1: right either way. Okay, So there's like three specific sequences
Speaker 1: that I want to talk about, and then a few
Speaker 1: other scenes. Starting with the one that you already hinted at,
Speaker 1: where Malcolm is like, God creates dinosaurs, God destroys dinosaurs,
Speaker 1: God creates man, Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs, and
Speaker 1: then Dr Sattler says, dinosaurs eat man, women inherent the earth.
Speaker 1: And then they both look at her and they're like, oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: I want to marry her. That's a good it's such
Speaker 1: a great But I would also sorry argue that this
Speaker 1: is harkening back to one of our favorite mixed we
Speaker 1: needs articles. I'm the girl and I kick here's my
Speaker 1: line where I say, you know or spice World girl
Speaker 1: powa Like it's like, okay, cool, we got that moment,
Speaker 1: thank you, and seen like, yeah, that could be if
Speaker 1: that was the only thing she does, or like the
Speaker 1: only impressive thing she contributes to the story or anything
Speaker 1: like that. No, I just meant like the line more
Speaker 1: than I mean the character. Obviously, Seller is a great character,
Speaker 1: but just like sometimes lines like that, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I feel manipulated by them where they're just like, hey,
Speaker 1: girls can't do things too, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, so have put more girls in your fucking movie.
Speaker 1: You showed like, you know, good point, But it would
Speaker 1: be much more. It would be more annoying to me
Speaker 1: if that was something she said, and then none of
Speaker 1: her actions backed that up, like she's like women power.
Speaker 1: And then so at least she goes on to do
Speaker 1: a whole slew of things, which is what I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk about next where it's later in the movie,
Speaker 1: but all the power they have to basically reboot all
Speaker 1: the systems and undo the damage that Dennis Nedri had done,
Speaker 1: who at this point in the story is dead. R
Speaker 1: I p he slipped on And just love that little
Speaker 1: the slide whistle or whatever. I love that scene that
Speaker 1: where he gets killed by the delaposaurs. Fuck, it's so good.
Speaker 1: But so there's a scene where John Hammond is like,
Speaker 1: well Doon bring back my grandchildren, and Nell He's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going with him. So it was just like cool
Speaker 1: to see her making a choice, taking action, going and
Speaker 1: doing something. A lot of movies would have just had
Speaker 1: her stay behind, not do anything. Nurse and Malcolm back
Speaker 1: to health with his leg that's all sucked up, would
Speaker 1: be like, hey, do you want to take a picture? Oh?
Speaker 1: I was thinking, um, it would be like The Big
Speaker 1: Guiled where they're like, oh, your leg is fucked up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, yeah, I want to cut your
Speaker 1: leg off, and then fucky, No, it's Jeff goldbl And
Speaker 1: he just wants to take a perverted picture. He doesn't
Speaker 1: actually have sex. He just wants to look like he
Speaker 1: enticed or whatever. Enticing, right, He really does just like
Speaker 1: want to go home and feed his dogs. But that's
Speaker 1: that's what I find so interesting about Dr Selller, because
Speaker 1: I was trying to think of her like because there's
Speaker 1: certain scenes in the movie where she takes the role
Speaker 1: of kind of like the person to like knock the
Speaker 1: sense into some of the dudes, you know. But what
Speaker 1: I like about her character a lot and why, Like,
Speaker 1: I mean, she was my first crush growing up and
Speaker 1: all that stuff or whatever. But um, the one reason
Speaker 1: why I really like her as a character in these
Speaker 1: kind of movies is because she seems like she's the
Speaker 1: only person who's living in the moment during the movies.
Speaker 1: Everyone's kind of caught in their headspace of like, oh,
Speaker 1: I should have like made this park better, or like
Speaker 1: I hate kids and I need to learn how to
Speaker 1: like kids or whatever. She's like, all right, what do
Speaker 1: you need? What do we need to do, like, how
Speaker 1: can I? She's like the most like how you're saying,
Speaker 1: like she's the most proactive character. She's like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: going to stay behind and learn more about the sick
Speaker 1: trisatops or whatever, like And I like that scene because
Speaker 1: it shows that whole scene where the encounter the sick
Speaker 1: triceratops and it's it's barfing. She pops the pimple on
Speaker 1: it and she's like, well, why is it sick? Are
Speaker 1: they eating this West Indian lilac? It's poisonous? You really
Speaker 1: like get to see her expertise, like she's she knows
Speaker 1: what she's talking about, she knows what she's doing. So
Speaker 1: it's just like a cool moment. So many movies, especially blockbusters,
Speaker 1: would have been like she kind of can do a
Speaker 1: thing sort of, but like we don't really get to
Speaker 1: see it, or if we do, it's for a second
Speaker 1: and then never again. Or she gives the sick tri
Speaker 1: Saratovs true loved kiss and it's better wakes up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel better now. And that's technically a great queer
Speaker 1: moment in film because the transparentas would be a woman.
Speaker 1: Remember when Laura durned French that dinosaur really progressive moment.
Speaker 1: That's David Lynch's yeah, okay. So then after Dr Grant
Speaker 1: and the kids have gone off somewhere and they appear
Speaker 1: to be safe, and then there's the scene where Mr
Speaker 1: Arnold leaves to go turn the power back on, but
Speaker 1: he's taking a while because he's like she would be
Speaker 1: three minutes, and then it's more than that. More time
Speaker 1: has passed, so she's like, something's wrong, something happened. I
Speaker 1: have to go turn the power back on. And then
Speaker 1: and in that moment, that's when like Muldoon's like, I'll
Speaker 1: go with you. She was wanted to be like I'm going.
Speaker 1: I'm making the decision to go. I gotta do this,
Speaker 1: and he goes with her, and then immediately as soon
Speaker 1: as they get outside, he's like we're being hunted. Oh.
Speaker 1: But before that happens, John Hammond's like, this should be
Speaker 1: me that ghost because I'm a and you're a and
Speaker 1: she's like, look, I'm a Republican. I would love if
Speaker 1: that was their fun difference Laura during the twist is
Speaker 1: she's a Replican, I'm a Democrat and you're a Republican. No,
Speaker 1: And she's like, we can discuss sexism and survival situations
Speaker 1: when I get back, which again, sure, maybe that's another
Speaker 1: look at what I can, but I've never interpreted it
Speaker 1: that way. I was just like, you go, girl. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's because I'm simple, but that was the point. But
Speaker 1: you know, if I had seen this movie when I
Speaker 1: was a kid, I wouldn't feel that way, But seeing
Speaker 1: as I saw it last week, I do feel that way. Sure,
Speaker 1: so they go, they get hunted. She has to go
Speaker 1: on by herself, so she goes into the shed. The
Speaker 1: I was just when I was again like thinking about
Speaker 1: this movie for today as a kid, when after I
Speaker 1: saw this movie, anytime I swing from branches, I would
Speaker 1: always like pretend that was her because she heard like
Speaker 1: her six swing that she does, She's like foom in
Speaker 1: the lands in the water. I just thought that was
Speaker 1: the coolest. Yeah, yeah, that was a good good plant,
Speaker 1: good swing, stuck the landing. So she goes in the
Speaker 1: shed and then she does all the things she needs
Speaker 1: to do to turn the power back on. She's being
Speaker 1: again told what to do by a man, but like
Speaker 1: that's not her area of expertise exactly. Yeah, So she
Speaker 1: manages to do everything. All the systems come back online
Speaker 1: and then there's that great moment where she's like Mr
Speaker 1: Hamm and I think we're back in business. And then
Speaker 1: a raptor bursts out. And what I really love about
Speaker 1: this is that she has to save herself. The raptor
Speaker 1: explodes out into the room. She gets through the gate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and in the human succeeds over the raptor because the human,
Speaker 1: I guess, is smarter. Although the raptors have shown intelligence
Speaker 1: their systematically to testing the fences for weaknesses anyway, systematically,
Speaker 1: she beats him with with Sam Jackson's arm. That would
Speaker 1: have been a great moment. I wish that had happened.
Speaker 1: She grabs that Mr Arnold and then she's like, oh sweet,
Speaker 1: there's a weapon, all right? Yeah? Good enough? Right, Because
Speaker 1: so she gets she saves herself. She closes the door,
Speaker 1: and then she like sort of like okay, and then
Speaker 1: Mr Arnold's arm falls on top of her. She thinks, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm just resting my arm here. I know that you
Speaker 1: almost died, but let's have a casual. How many years
Speaker 1: of therapy will it take to bounce back from that?
Speaker 1: So many? So many? The point is she saves herself.
Speaker 1: She doesn't have to have any man save her. It
Speaker 1: was a very exciting moment for me. The next thing
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about was when the kids are
Speaker 1: in the kitchen or like the whatever that area is,
Speaker 1: Like the guest services hoasically craft services, they just turned
Speaker 1: the cameras and just yeah, they're like, oh hey, look right,
Speaker 1: and they're eating jello, you know as craft Services always
Speaker 1: has and Lex seize the raptors and takes them into
Speaker 1: the kitchen and the raptors can open doors. The smartass
Speaker 1: lady dinosaurs figured out how to open doors like a
Speaker 1: cat in an emergency want figure how to open a door,
Speaker 1: saving all the people in the apartment. Called an exciting
Speaker 1: day hit in Brighton. That would happen in Brighton. It
Speaker 1: would happen. Yeah, this is my English news bit. I
Speaker 1: just if like a dinosaur is like a cat. They
Speaker 1: just like under the door, like how cats can slide.
Speaker 1: The raptors just like on the you know, blows its
Speaker 1: nose on the thing and they just itself basically like
Speaker 1: I can't. So the two raptors come into the kitchen,
Speaker 1: Lex with her younger rather tim she's the one who's
Speaker 1: like pulling him around like here, follow me, like she's
Speaker 1: doing all the things to save them, the sweet trick
Speaker 1: with them, the ladle yeah, and the oven. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: alpha big sis And it could be yeah, it could
Speaker 1: be because she's like the older one, the bigger one.
Speaker 1: But sure, but like the and the writer could have
Speaker 1: made the choice to like make the older one a boy,
Speaker 1: to have him be the one in the book, Tim
Speaker 1: is the older Yeah. Yeah, yeah, cool. So I like
Speaker 1: in the movie that they're like, all right, let's have
Speaker 1: the girl be the one who's Spielberg one, Crichton still
Speaker 1: climate Ja and I are also dead. He loses. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really cool to see Lex being the one
Speaker 1: to be like, I'm in charge here and I'm going
Speaker 1: to save my little brother. Yeah. I like that part.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and she like closes the freezer to yeah,
Speaker 1: so she actually it's it's interesting that the only now
Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about this, technically, I think in the
Speaker 1: all the Jurassic Park movies, the only two people to
Speaker 1: kill dinosaurs are Lex freezing the raptor and then Malcolm's
Speaker 1: daughter Kelly kicking the with the gymnastics skills in the
Speaker 1: Lost World kicking the raptor off on the spike. So
Speaker 1: it's only been two little girls killing dinosaurs in these movies. Hell,
Speaker 1: I like that. Yeah, that's impressive. Yeah, but you're right.
Speaker 1: She like the raptor ends up in the freezer. I
Speaker 1: think because he was like changing Tim into she was
Speaker 1: just hard god chasing Tim into the freezer. And then
Speaker 1: Lex runs up and locks the raptor into the freezer.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yeah, I froze to death in there. Presumably
Speaker 1: we don't know whatever. So then the final scene is
Speaker 1: when they're in the control room at the end, Ellie
Speaker 1: like runs to the computer. She's like, I got to
Speaker 1: boot up the door locks because I guess she knows
Speaker 1: how to do that, which good for her. And then um,
Speaker 1: the raptor starts coming in through the door, because again,
Speaker 1: raptors know how to open doors, any door, any door.
Speaker 1: They have mastered all doors doors, the rotating doors. There
Speaker 1: aren't that, and that would be fun if there was, though,
Speaker 1: would its tail get her tail gets stuck in the door?
Speaker 1: I know we keep accidentally miss gendering. These depends on
Speaker 1: how advanced the door was, because if the door had
Speaker 1: good sensors and the door wouldn't close on and objecting,
Speaker 1: you know, in front of the doors. In defense of
Speaker 1: the doors, I'm sure that the raptor would have been fine,
Speaker 1: A good point, thank you. This is the door. Okay.
Speaker 1: So they're in the control room and the raptor starts
Speaker 1: to come in and Grant can't hold the door by himself,
Speaker 1: so Elie Satler has to help him. Meanwhile, Lexi's like,
Speaker 1: wait a minute, a unique system. I know this. She's
Speaker 1: the one to save the day for about two seconds
Speaker 1: and then the raptors coming through the glass. But it
Speaker 1: was just school like the choice could have been made
Speaker 1: where the little boy knows how to be a hacker,
Speaker 1: but Tim is like useless in that scene. He's just
Speaker 1: like he said, come ahead, well kids, are you go
Speaker 1: to school? Go a library card? You dumb ask He's
Speaker 1: a little kid. I mean that would that would have
Speaker 1: been I think maybe Spielberg was like thinking the endgame
Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, because there's the gun there, and
Speaker 1: then like Ellie and Grant are like trying to get
Speaker 1: the gun but hold the door, and then like Tim
Speaker 1: give us the gun, and then Tim just shoots the
Speaker 1: raptor and then we've got like our own traumatized like
Speaker 1: child like, well, I never understand why they don't say,
Speaker 1: like Tim, grab that gun, give it to an adult,
Speaker 1: help us. But he's just like, yeah, maybe Spielberg because yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's so like because he's just sitting there
Speaker 1: like patting his head, just like because he is a kid.
Speaker 1: Never reminded me of my little brother or like I
Speaker 1: would freeze a dinosaur from my brother. And also he
Speaker 1: was such a WinPY little kid. He was afraid of
Speaker 1: water till he was like seven. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's like my brother. He's probably afraid of the ocean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I related to I probably would be too
Speaker 1: afraid to do anything in that just paralyzed little boy child.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I wonder Spielberg maybe just didn't want to
Speaker 1: have the imagery of a kid picking up a gun.
Speaker 1: I wonder because that's definitely like a he's all about
Speaker 1: family and family dynamic responsible. I mean, he did remove
Speaker 1: the guns from it for him now, but he did.
Speaker 1: He did remove the guns from one version of ET,
Speaker 1: like from all the like digitally remove all the guns. WHOA,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that three points first period. I'm excited
Speaker 1: to see because this ending scene is is really cool
Speaker 1: and it's hard to imagine how it would have originally
Speaker 1: been where like Grant was going to kill the raptors
Speaker 1: with like a crane that was like sitting in the
Speaker 1: visitor center, like he was going to like grab a
Speaker 1: raptor and then like throw it at the bones, and
Speaker 1: like that's how it originally was us to end. But
Speaker 1: every I think they were so impressed by the c
Speaker 1: G I test of the t Rex and they like
Speaker 1: to the character so much, so like let's bring your
Speaker 1: back at the very end, And I don't know, it
Speaker 1: feels more. It would feel kind of gross if like
Speaker 1: our hero just like straight up murdered two dinosaurs. Like
Speaker 1: the whole movie. The whole movie is like trying to
Speaker 1: say that they're like animals and they're just natural creatures.
Speaker 1: And then it's like it's not their fault that they
Speaker 1: were genetically engineered and put in this century, that they
Speaker 1: don't belong by a bunch of horny dude. Not their fault.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say if Alfred. If I would put
Speaker 1: Alfred Will in this movie, Okay, here's whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Here's what I would do. I would keep the casting
Speaker 1: as is. What I do is I would pull like
Speaker 1: a deep Roy and Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Tim
Speaker 1: Burton version where deep Roy plays all of the Olympus,
Speaker 1: like hundreds and hundreds of deep Roys. So this would
Speaker 1: take most of the women out of the movie. But
Speaker 1: I think it is the move to make alkim up
Speaker 1: all of the dinosaurs, hundreds of him. I've decided not
Speaker 1: to endorse this. He's a character actor. He could he
Speaker 1: could really really bring something special to each dinosaur role.
Speaker 1: I would love to see Alfred Billina play sick try
Speaker 1: Sara Tops. So somebody should photoshop that, for sure, because
Speaker 1: they just photoshop what like cats in there. The dinosam
Speaker 1: that comedy in there. So now just calls out for
Speaker 1: Bechdel cast fans to photoshop alf Molina in the same positions.
Speaker 1: Make Alfred Freddy and to sick try Sara Tops. A
Speaker 1: real missed opportunity. But you know it's an all right, hey,
Speaker 1: listen to this segue. It's about love, the love that
Speaker 1: you have for Alfred Molina, and how I like that
Speaker 1: there's no discernible love story in this movie. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's another thing that would have been so And I
Speaker 1: went into the movie just knowing who the cast was.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, well, someone gonna I mean, they
Speaker 1: want to fuck her. It seems, well, yeah, they're horny
Speaker 1: diosaur guys. Right. But here's something I've been confused about.
Speaker 1: So Dr Grant tells Dr Malcolm that he and Ellie
Speaker 1: are together, and I always assume that that was just
Speaker 1: because Dr Grant has a crush, But then I was like,
Speaker 1: are they together? They kind of like at one point
Speaker 1: Ellie calls him honey and they like hug a lot,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, maybe they are low key dating. But
Speaker 1: the movie just makes not a big deal of it
Speaker 1: at all because like Grants such a sour puss that
Speaker 1: he's probably like he's not. He doesn't seem like a
Speaker 1: PDA type. And there was definitely more. There was definitely more,
Speaker 1: like because I have like all the trading cards and
Speaker 1: stuff for dressing. Um, there's like cut shots and cut
Speaker 1: moments where like they are more physical. But I think
Speaker 1: but I think maybe there's even one where they high five,
Speaker 1: which again adds more to their weird a sexual I mean,
Speaker 1: it's more on sand Neale's part, not online they love
Speaker 1: to high five my sex part. That's honestly how I
Speaker 1: initiate sex right five? What's up? We're doing this now? Gil?
Speaker 1: And I just had sex on the air. Big back
Speaker 1: toil moment. It ends with Grant like wanting the kids
Speaker 1: or being like hey, kids, and then he's like hugging him.
Speaker 1: They're in his arms on the helicopter. After a couple
Speaker 1: of days, like so the second someone ships their pants,
Speaker 1: he's like, actually, I'm out there. I know that they
Speaker 1: should they're too old to be shipping their pants. But
Speaker 1: at some point up well, he was electrocuted, so he
Speaker 1: probably right. He's having ball problems. The second side effect
Speaker 1: is any one of those kids takes the ship, he's
Speaker 1: going to be like, you know, I remember why I
Speaker 1: hate kids, but yeah, if any I was gonna just
Speaker 1: say if anything, because it's it's that thing where it's
Speaker 1: like Grant is almost the main character in that sense
Speaker 1: where he's the one who goes on this journey to
Speaker 1: like oh I understand kids now or something, you know.
Speaker 1: But it's like kind of nice that I think in
Speaker 1: a story in specific that Dr Satler isn't like you
Speaker 1: need to have kids or we need to get married
Speaker 1: or anything. She's just like, yeah, kids are cool. I
Speaker 1: guess maybe I don't know whatever. It's like almost like
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like they kind of nicely. Don't
Speaker 1: like make that a big dramatic thing at all or anything. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of points in the movie where
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, this could have been turned into a
Speaker 1: weird romantic kind of I mean all throwaway moments, but
Speaker 1: Blockbusters do it all the time, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of like a pleasant surprise. I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: they're just going to keep moving forward with the story. Right.
Speaker 1: There's that famous scene in Jurassic World where Bryce Tellis
Speaker 1: Howard is running away from the t Rex in high heels,
Speaker 1: and it's famous because it's so absurd, especially because t
Speaker 1: Rex runs at thirty two miles an hour and she
Speaker 1: could not outrun him, especially in heels. So I just
Speaker 1: want to say that I really like that Dr Sadler's
Speaker 1: costume in this movie was very reasonable. No one felt
Speaker 1: any need to put her in high heels for no reason.
Speaker 1: And another thing with a lot of Blockbusters is that
Speaker 1: the one adult woman is very hot, very sexual. We
Speaker 1: already talked about Michael Krenton making all the scientists hot,
Speaker 1: but she wasn't. She wasn't overly sexualized or even its
Speaker 1: sexualized at all. Is as far as I interpreted it
Speaker 1: like she's just wearing practical clothes that you would wear
Speaker 1: on a dinosaur. I mean, I think her khakis are
Speaker 1: the same length as Gennaro's, you know, like he's wearing
Speaker 1: some short shorts. Yeah. I also noticed in cut offs,
Speaker 1: very very sensible. Is he a never nude? I love
Speaker 1: his death scene he just runs into the bathroom, and
Speaker 1: then the t Rex is like, yeah, we're a fully
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Speaker 1: He says. All vertebrate embryos are inherently female anyway, They
Speaker 1: require an extra hormone given at the right developmental stage
Speaker 1: to make them male. Proving movie proves this fact that
Speaker 1: no one else knew or studied or anything right in
Speaker 1: Heads Unite that all embryos are female, which is why
Speaker 1: male cats have as many nipples as female cats. This
Speaker 1: has been cat facts with Caitlin. Okay, that is inherently
Speaker 1: pointland that women aren't gonna inherit They're going to reinherit
Speaker 1: the earth again in that way movies saying yes, Quen. Alright,
Speaker 1: let's talk about if this movie passes the BACTO test
Speaker 1: or not. Okay, I made a case for the Raptors,
Speaker 1: No stupid and run. There's a scene that happens off
Speaker 1: screen where women talk, but it does not pass the
Speaker 1: BACTO test, where Lex goes up to Grant and she's like,
Speaker 1: she thought I should ride with you because it would
Speaker 1: be good for you. But they were talking about man,
Speaker 1: so it does not pass. Here's the problem with this
Speaker 1: movie is that the two female characters are not even
Speaker 1: in the same room or seen for most of the movie.
Speaker 1: But there is the scene in the control room at
Speaker 1: the end whenever they run in and Lex says, we
Speaker 1: can call for help and Satler says, we got to
Speaker 1: reboot the system first. I think that's a pass that
Speaker 1: I did make a note of that, and that might
Speaker 1: be by the skin of its teeth, might be where
Speaker 1: it passes for me, that's what. But it is a
Speaker 1: barely barely pass and it's the only time where you
Speaker 1: basically see those two and it's a classic. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the thing we've encountered, I would say, and at
Speaker 1: least ten movies we've talked about now where it's like
Speaker 1: the female it's the problem. Isn't the female characters that
Speaker 1: are written. It's just the fact that there are no
Speaker 1: female characters for them to interact with at length. Ever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that was my question. It was like, it just seems
Speaker 1: like it feels like every time it's like they can't
Speaker 1: have two women together because that's oh, we've already hit
Speaker 1: our maximum or something like. It just seems like these
Speaker 1: movies are so afraid, are so afraid to like just
Speaker 1: put to that somehow. Yeah, Like, and I think that
Speaker 1: this era like is still a time where it's like, well,
Speaker 1: why would we put two women together in one seed?
Speaker 1: What purpose we filled our quota with two women characters total?
Speaker 1: We don't need more, right, right, and we're not forcing
Speaker 1: them to hook up all the time, which is like,
Speaker 1: you know good, but like you know so this I
Speaker 1: would say that that was a scene where it passed
Speaker 1: for me, but I was still like, ah, man, you're
Speaker 1: doing so well. But it's another Princess Leia kind of
Speaker 1: thing where it's like, well, one female character is great,
Speaker 1: and then we have, you know, a few women on
Speaker 1: the fringe, but other than that, you know, just like
Speaker 1: one really well written female character and only meant for
Speaker 1: her to talk to. That's why I like about your
Speaker 1: podcast so much, because it's like it's almost that idea
Speaker 1: of like, well, because I love the Transformers episode where
Speaker 1: you're like, well, this, it doesn't feel right to pass
Speaker 1: it because even though it gets in like logically, but
Speaker 1: in the spirit of like what the test is, it's like,
Speaker 1: does it really actually like in that sense of like
Speaker 1: this movie where like it has a lot of these
Speaker 1: like mic drop like kind of empowering moments. And I
Speaker 1: remember Steven Spielberg in behind the Scenes stuff saying that
Speaker 1: he made Lex the older one, made the woman you know,
Speaker 1: made Lex interested in computers, and made her the hacker
Speaker 1: because he was like, these are aspirational elements that he
Speaker 1: was adding, like in his words, that's that's what he
Speaker 1: was saying. That he made those choices to do that
Speaker 1: because he wanted to inspire little girls to get into
Speaker 1: technology and stuff. But it's like, but at the same time, like, oh,
Speaker 1: but it actually doesn't feature two women having a conversation
Speaker 1: with each other. But that's not about men. So it's like,
Speaker 1: it's just like I like that. You guys talk about
Speaker 1: that a lot because it's like you're welcome. Okay, I
Speaker 1: mean thank you, you're welcome. Now we both did it. Hey,
Speaker 1: let's write the movie on her nipple scale. I'm going
Speaker 1: to give it three and a half nipples. I think
Speaker 1: it might be a little high. No, I feel good
Speaker 1: about three and a half because Dr Sadler is a
Speaker 1: great character. She does a whole bunch of ship. She
Speaker 1: makes a lot of decisions that influenced the story. She
Speaker 1: is very proactive. She unfortunately doesn't have the same number
Speaker 1: of like memorable lines or like great monologues like Malcolm has.
Speaker 1: I do like that she says the whole like men
Speaker 1: get eaten and women inherit the earth. That's the line, right,
Speaker 1: So I like her, And I also liked that lex is,
Speaker 1: like you said, like she was. Decisions were made to
Speaker 1: make her active. She does things. She fucking boots up
Speaker 1: the door locks. Good for her. But because there are
Speaker 1: so few women when there could be many more. Again,
Speaker 1: we identified several characters that like why not make this
Speaker 1: a woman. It's just a sea of men with like
Speaker 1: tiny little sprinkles of a strong women and it um
Speaker 1: So that's why it gets a three and a half
Speaker 1: from me. And the nipples belonged to you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that Trisaara tops even though reptiles do
Speaker 1: not have nipples. That looked like an animal that would
Speaker 1: have nipples. So okay, just more revealing about you than
Speaker 1: anything else. You're just like, that looks like there's some
Speaker 1: milk in there. I didn't it though, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I get I mean, I would like to believe that
Speaker 1: there's I just had a disgusting thought because it's both
Speaker 1: very cheesy and hearkens back to an episode that by
Speaker 1: the time this comes out, well have been a long
Speaker 1: time ago. Spider Man two reference got Molina on the Rain,
Speaker 1: You know that line where where Aunt what's her name?
Speaker 1: Is like, I believe there's a hero at all of
Speaker 1: us When she said that zete milk, I believe there's
Speaker 1: some milk at all of us. That was the five
Speaker 1: year you were Aunt May with it. Anyways, I finished
Speaker 1: my mics aren't lemonade, and I'm really thinking at a
Speaker 1: higher level Stephen, what would you like to write the movie?
Speaker 1: I would give it three sweaty lawyer nipples out of
Speaker 1: five again for the reasons that this movie has. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think like comedian Rio Butcher, she summed up Drassic
Speaker 1: World in a really great way, which is like a
Speaker 1: nineties version of a feminist movie where it's like, let's
Speaker 1: give the mean female character ship and then like that's
Speaker 1: how you learn that she's empowered or whatever. And I
Speaker 1: feel like even this movie still suffers from a lot
Speaker 1: of that same thing. Um, but it is like there
Speaker 1: is those baddest moments, and I think again, like the
Speaker 1: through line is that at least Dr Sadler's character, she
Speaker 1: like stays true to herself and she doesn't like she's
Speaker 1: kind of on her own path that it's kind of
Speaker 1: like mysterious. She's kind of like she kind of holds
Speaker 1: the rest of the movie at arms length, which I
Speaker 1: kind of like she's kind of like amused by like
Speaker 1: what's going on and concerned, but she's never like and
Speaker 1: she's in the moment, and I kind of like that
Speaker 1: about her characters. My favorite seen is when she's crying
Speaker 1: and then she's like I need ice cream. She eats
Speaker 1: some ice cream because women be crying, women be eating
Speaker 1: ice cream. But like, honestly, sometimes they are. I've done it,
Speaker 1: for instance, me yesterday. Let me really, let me take
Speaker 1: you back a full twelve to sixteen hours anyways, see,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've cried and eating ice cream. Of course,
Speaker 1: it's not a gender thing. It's a human thing. Man
Speaker 1: crying ice cream just the other day. Not to brag,
Speaker 1: but I saw it. Yeah, I mean I've probably cried
Speaker 1: while eating ice cream while watching this movie. Wow, this
Speaker 1: is a movie. I do cried you, by the way.
Speaker 1: It's more of a human response exactly. It's not a
Speaker 1: gendered response. Everyone wants to cry an eat ice cream.
Speaker 1: These are things that all people want except for lactose
Speaker 1: and tolerant their mutants. You're fucking freaks. This is my
Speaker 1: new friend tier of people. I'm pre steampunks. You're okay, now,
Speaker 1: lactose intolerant people. What if I t're on my radar,
Speaker 1: I'm coming for you. What if I told you I
Speaker 1: was lactose intolerant, which I am. I knew that. Now
Speaker 1: I feel bad first because I didn't remember. In second,
Speaker 1: because I just declared war on you, and I can't
Speaker 1: take it back. I'll fight back. I'm a strong, independent woman.
Speaker 1: You're very strong, but you're calcium deficient because you're not
Speaker 1: drinking as much milk ast me. I'm getting We don't
Speaker 1: even we started. People should not be consuming dairy or
Speaker 1: any mammals after infancies. Some real lactose intolerant propaganda. I
Speaker 1: breastfit from my mom just this morning, and I feel great. Hey,
Speaker 1: what would you like to write the movie? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it three nippies. I'll give two of
Speaker 1: the nippies. Well, I'll give one nippie a little Tim,
Speaker 1: because I can relate with being afraid and the youngest
Speaker 1: and being completely useless. So you gotta give one to
Speaker 1: Tim given, and then I'm going to give the other
Speaker 1: two to the sick dinosaur um because because it has nipples,
Speaker 1: it has it has nipples, and it's I just love
Speaker 1: that a sick dinosaur. You never think of a dinosaur
Speaker 1: is sick. So in that way, if I can change
Speaker 1: the way I think about dinosaurs, and specifically female dinosaurs,
Speaker 1: what great. Never thought of female dinosaurs as sick before
Speaker 1: I saw this movie, and then I realized I was
Speaker 1: so fucking wrong. That's okay, three but ed but for
Speaker 1: for for serious talk because like many movies we've discussed,
Speaker 1: the central female character is wonderful, but she's not given
Speaker 1: really any or barely anyone to talk to, and I
Speaker 1: sort of am inclined to discard, like, well, all the
Speaker 1: dinosaurs are female, right, but they're dinosaurs, so not to
Speaker 1: trigger any dinosaur listeners we have out there, but you're dinosaurs,
Speaker 1: So in that way, I'm going to give it a
Speaker 1: three perfect Stephen, thank you so much they're being here. No,
Speaker 1: I'm really, I'm really I'm really happy you guys asked me.
Speaker 1: I really love this podcast lot, so I'm happy to
Speaker 1: have been on it. Awesome. Where can people find you online?
Speaker 1: Do you always find me at Steven Ray Morris on
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Speaker 1: just people sharing stories of their childhood that only relates
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