Speaker 1: The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how
Speaker 1: much the equipment matters. I just love that I can
Speaker 1: hit any shot I kind of want.
Speaker 2: We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about
Speaker 2: what goes on here to help golfers play better golf.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds podcast. Exciting guest
Speaker 3: today Shane Baker with Marty Jerts and Marty one of
Speaker 3: the great pros and longevity has been one of the
Speaker 3: keys to his success.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Four time PGA Tour winner Harris English, is awesome
Speaker 2: to have you on the pod.
Speaker 1: Appreciate you having me. Guys.
Speaker 3: Are you a podcast guy, Harris? Are you into it?
Speaker 3: Do you listen to them?
Speaker 1: Or I do a little bit. Not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of golf podcasts been in the humor and lately just
Speaker 1: kind of learning about a lot of different things.
Speaker 3: What are you into right now?
Speaker 1: The Human podcast? The Stanford Professor. Yeah, just kind of
Speaker 1: some science stuff, performance stuff of how I can get
Speaker 1: better on the course, eating wise. He had a good
Speaker 1: alcohol podcast recently that I've listened to. But uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: really anything but golf. I feel like we're in the
Speaker 1: golf world so much. It's kind of nice to get
Speaker 1: away from it and listen to something else.
Speaker 3: Were you a consumer of golf stuff like when you
Speaker 3: were an amateur, when you were a college kid. I mean,
Speaker 3: I know that kind of changes once it becomes your job.
Speaker 3: But did you read when you were younger? Did you
Speaker 3: read like golf books things like that at all?
Speaker 1: I did? I did obviously growing up in the Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods era, Ye got us all into golf and watching
Speaker 1: him in the two thousands was incredible, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I'm a I love collecting golf clubs. I love
Speaker 1: old school golf clubs, even at home. I mean, I
Speaker 1: know the Ping guys know that once I find something
Speaker 1: that I like, I stick to it. And Ping has
Speaker 1: made some unbelievable clubs throughout the years, and I love
Speaker 1: kind of holding on to those relics.
Speaker 2: One of those, Harris is your putter?
Speaker 3: Talk about that?
Speaker 1: I still have one?
Speaker 2: Oh hum, when did you first start using that?
Speaker 1: So my senior year at college at Georgia was struggling
Speaker 1: with my putting a little bit going into my spring semester,
Speaker 1: my last semester, and thank Scott Sullivan, who was the
Speaker 1: college rep for sent me a couple of putters and
Speaker 1: the whole hum was one of them. I don't even
Speaker 1: think he sent it to me. He might have sent
Speaker 1: it to a couple of our players, and our assistant
Speaker 1: coach got it. He was out on the putt and
Speaker 1: green saying how good it was, and I ended up
Speaker 1: trying it and it stuck, played really well that spring semester,
Speaker 1: made it pretty far in the pub links won the
Speaker 1: Southern ameitter, won the nationwide event, and it kind of
Speaker 1: kept going. And it's one of those things where if
Speaker 1: it's not broke, don't fix it, And something about the
Speaker 1: face on it. I mean, I know Nate Lashley putts
Speaker 1: with a similar putter out here. For us, it's like
Speaker 1: three wood and putter. It's the hardest thing to get
Speaker 1: rid of, to change, and it's one of those where
Speaker 1: I know the good and bad of it. I know
Speaker 1: my missus with it, and it's just something you kind
Speaker 1: of stick to.
Speaker 2: Are you using the same exact one from college?
Speaker 1: I have. I have four different ones right now that
Speaker 1: I've kind of collected over the years, so I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's the exact same one. I'll kind of
Speaker 1: put one in the corner for a little bit to
Speaker 1: take a time out if it's not working right. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that the grip, I mean the the whole
Speaker 1: grip thing of the Ryder cup. I mean I I
Speaker 1: don't really like to change grips a whole lot. I
Speaker 1: like it kind of warning because my hands sweat a
Speaker 1: little bit and I don't like a real shiny, slippery grip,
Speaker 1: So I like it warning a lot. I know the
Speaker 1: guys in the on the trailer will send it down
Speaker 1: a little bit for me. But yeah, it's worked really well.
Speaker 1: I've tried a lot of different putters, I mean, but
Speaker 1: it's it's hard to switch.
Speaker 2: What's your club collection? Like at home? How how many
Speaker 2: clubs do you think you have in your your garage
Speaker 2: or wherever you storm?
Speaker 1: So we were in the process of moving and I
Speaker 1: had to clean out a lot of clubs and I
Speaker 1: didn't realize how many clubs actually because get four it
Speaker 1: out of a closet. Yeah, it was. It was a lot.
Speaker 1: And if I've played a tournament with one, or I
Speaker 1: can remember a shot with a certain club, I really
Speaker 1: can't give it up, especially with wedges, different grinds and like,
Speaker 1: oh this is how it felt three woods. I still
Speaker 1: have a lot of g two' s G five's that
Speaker 1: I loved. I love that deep face on the G
Speaker 1: five three. Well that was probably my favorite.
Speaker 3: Three.
Speaker 1: What I've I've ever had, Yeah, but just some. I
Speaker 1: have some old school being like the ISI's were amazing
Speaker 1: stuff I grew up with. But yeah, I've had to
Speaker 1: clean out some that I didn't really like and had
Speaker 1: to get rid of. But I still have a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, moving into a new place, or you're gonna have
Speaker 3: always interested in this with pro golfers and pro athletes,
Speaker 3: or you gonna have an area to kind of display
Speaker 3: stuff you've done throughout your career. Is that on the plan?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to make like our living room
Speaker 1: or anything like a.
Speaker 3: Trophy room like around the TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there'll be a couple of spots for the special trophies.
Speaker 1: Little Ryder cup that we got for the tournament'll be
Speaker 1: in there, a couple of my wins will be in there.
Speaker 1: But I'll have a kind of a golf storage room
Speaker 1: off the garage that I'll have a lot of my
Speaker 1: clubs kind of facing. That was one of the rooms
Speaker 1: I got to design, so I will get to display
Speaker 1: all my clubs and get to be able to see
Speaker 1: them instead of just piled up in the corner. I'll
Speaker 1: be able to see him easier and put some stuff
Speaker 1: in there. Again, you collect so much golf stuff, pictures
Speaker 1: and I mean the.
Speaker 3: Tip around team bags, things like that.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a big part of Yeah, it's a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff, and it's you don't want to get
Speaker 1: rid of it, but it's I don't want to have
Speaker 1: it like all around the house. Like again, you kind
Speaker 1: of want to get away from it a little bit
Speaker 1: and not have all the golf stuff in your face
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 3: When did you feel like you weren't a newbie on
Speaker 3: tour anymore? I know you're in your mid thirties now
Speaker 3: and you've turned pro back in twenty eleven. When do
Speaker 3: you feel like you felt comfortable as a pro in
Speaker 3: terms of you knew everything when you were traveling. You
Speaker 3: knew about the golf courses, you kind of knew where
Speaker 3: to stay, you knew places to eat, and then you
Speaker 3: started to see the young guys pop up, and you
Speaker 3: were thinking yourself, Oh, those guys are much younger than me.
Speaker 3: That's like a different generation. Do you know that kind
Speaker 3: of hit?
Speaker 1: How I would say recently? I mean I've always. I
Speaker 1: mean coming on tour when I was twenty one, twenty
Speaker 1: two years old, I was always the young guy and
Speaker 1: there was just a few of us out here. But
Speaker 1: I'm in my thirteenth year now, and I feel like
Speaker 1: probably the last five six years, I've really gotten call well,
Speaker 1: just like you said, learn how to travel, where to stay,
Speaker 1: where to eat. It takes a while, and you get
Speaker 1: to know the courses you come back to every single
Speaker 1: year and love the places you come to. I mean
Speaker 1: it's really cool traveling or spending a week in every
Speaker 1: city out on tour. You feel like you're a local
Speaker 1: for a week and you get to know a lot
Speaker 1: of the people, a lot of a lot of the
Speaker 1: local spots. So we have a good time, and my
Speaker 1: wife and I spend the whole West Coast swing stand
Speaker 1: on the West Coast. I don't even if I take
Speaker 1: a week off and I don't go back home. We
Speaker 1: say out on the West Coast and make some memories
Speaker 1: out here. So it's it's been a lot of fun
Speaker 1: and I've enjoyed the ride. I mean, it's crazy to
Speaker 1: think this is my thirteenth Right on tour happens quick.
Speaker 3: Right and all of a sudden you're like, oh, and wait,
Speaker 3: they've been doing this for this long.
Speaker 1: Because you get such in a routine and thinking about
Speaker 1: this week and think about next week, and every year
Speaker 1: seems to be the exact same of what terments you
Speaker 1: play and where you're traveling, so it flies by really fast.
Speaker 1: But uh, making some new memory's. We got a seven
Speaker 1: month old little girl and it's been fun doing some
Speaker 1: different stuff like find out where daycare is a lot
Speaker 1: of so so the new stuff that's popping up traveling
Speaker 1: with a small kid and on on tour is uh
Speaker 1: is new and fresh and it's it's uh, it's been
Speaker 1: a lot of fun so far.
Speaker 3: How does the baby travel doing? Doing good on the flights,
Speaker 3: like handling that I know that's not easy. We just
Speaker 3: we just traveled to Orlando. I've got an almost five
Speaker 3: year old, almost two year old, and it was disaster
Speaker 3: zone on there.
Speaker 1: You're you're in the midst of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you you can like sit you know,
Speaker 3: you can sit the baby, you know, and then like
Speaker 3: the car seat on the plane and hopefully get about
Speaker 3: an hour so.
Speaker 1: That that was a mistake. We made fine out to
Speaker 1: Hawaii as we just got a seat from my wife
Speaker 1: and I we just got passing her back and forth.
Speaker 1: She wasn't comfortable trying to go to sleep feeding her.
Speaker 1: So I've learned my lesson. We're gonna get her own
Speaker 1: seat now. I'll put the car seat in there. She's
Speaker 1: in the cocoa melon now, so we've it'll burn out.
Speaker 1: Kind of kind of dabble that in a little bit,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I kind of learned on the fly. I
Speaker 1: mean it's pretty easy right now that she can still
Speaker 1: and be in her seat, but I know it'll change
Speaker 1: soon when she's up walking around and getting into a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, Harris, tell us about like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: I mean, you had an amazing year in twenty one.
Speaker 2: We could all see signs of that kind of building up.
Speaker 2: What was what came together for you either you know,
Speaker 2: training wise, technique wise, equipment wise to build up. He
Speaker 2: won the Travelers in twenty one, obviously, special week of
Speaker 2: the Ryder Cup. What was what were the things that
Speaker 2: all came together around that time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was unfortunate obviously covid hitting. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was playing some really good golf at the Players
Speaker 1: that year. I think I was in second place. I
Speaker 1: think I shot sixty five at first round, and I
Speaker 1: was really feeling good about my game. And then that
Speaker 1: was the head deck he won when he shot sixty
Speaker 1: three and you shot sixty five. Yeah, feeling really good
Speaker 1: about that tournament, and then going to bed that night
Speaker 1: and then wake up at eleven pm and they've canceled
Speaker 1: the tournament and it's like, well what now. I worked
Speaker 1: really hard during COVID, trained a lot, I practiced a lot,
Speaker 1: worked with my coach, Justin Parsons. I used that time
Speaker 1: to really get a lot better at golf, and when
Speaker 1: we didn't start again, I was ready to play. So
Speaker 1: I'm not sure everybody did that. I think a lot
Speaker 1: of guys took that time to be with their family
Speaker 1: and hang out and take a little vacation from golf.
Speaker 1: But I used that to get better and be ready
Speaker 1: to play when the time came, and I came out
Speaker 1: pretty hot. I think I missed the cut the first
Speaker 1: week at Colonial, but then Hilton Head the next week,
Speaker 1: I got started and kept rolling, and yeah, I started
Speaker 1: playing some really good golf. Won the Century Tournament champions
Speaker 1: in a playoff over Waka. It was nice to get
Speaker 1: back in the Winter Circle again, that break of not
Speaker 1: winning since twenty thirteen, you kind of forget how hard
Speaker 1: it is to win out here on tour, and you
Speaker 1: got to have kind of all the stars in line,
Speaker 1: and it lined up that week. I was putting really well.
Speaker 1: I was playing really well and get in the playoff
Speaker 1: and be able to birdie that number eighteen again to
Speaker 1: when the playoff was amazing. And then the crazy Travelers
Speaker 1: eight hole playoff.
Speaker 3: I mean you literally, same year, you have birdie the
Speaker 3: first hole of a playoff to win, and then you
Speaker 3: have that eight hole marathon, which like parr after parr
Speaker 3: after para. I mean, those are two totally different situations
Speaker 3: for a player, totally different kind of approaches mentally. I
Speaker 3: mean you go out and like you said, you catch
Speaker 3: fire and ket make a birdie early and it's winning.
Speaker 3: In the other one, like, how did you handle eight holes?
Speaker 3: What was that like? An hour and a half, two
Speaker 3: hours of golf extra on the back into the final round.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a wild day. I remember
Speaker 1: playing the final round with Jason Day. A birdied eighteen
Speaker 1: made like a thirty five footer left or right breaker
Speaker 1: for me. That was either to win the tournament, or
Speaker 1: getting a playoff. It was playing pretty hard coming down
Speaker 1: the stretch. The wind was picking up. Seventeen and eighteen
Speaker 1: were straight down when and pretty hard to access the pens.
Speaker 1: So I knew that was a really big putt. And
Speaker 1: I remember Jason Date telling me kind of walking up
Speaker 1: to the scoring trailer like, hey, stay calm, be ready,
Speaker 1: be ready for playoff. Go go do your routine, be
Speaker 1: ready for it. And I thought that was really cool
Speaker 1: of him to say, and sign my scorecard, went straight
Speaker 1: to the range and kind of warming up like I
Speaker 1: was playing in the playoff, and then I heard the
Speaker 1: roar Kramer making the birdie on eighteen to get in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. I was, I was ready. I never let
Speaker 1: myself kind of go back down and then come back up.
Speaker 1: I kind of stayed at the same intensity the whole time,
Speaker 1: and I feel like that that really helped me during
Speaker 1: the playoff. Yeah, it was tiring. My caddie, Eric Clarson,
Speaker 1: really kept me in it. My low back was starting
Speaker 1: to get pretty sore. So that was a long day.
Speaker 1: I mean, walking eighteen holes and then warming up again
Speaker 1: and then playing eight holes. I mean it was grueling,
Speaker 1: but you gotta mentally stay in it. I felt like
Speaker 1: we battled it out pretty well. We made some really
Speaker 1: clutch putts, and I know people on TV were like,
Speaker 1: I can't somebody make it very yeah, yeah, just.
Speaker 3: It just I mean it was fun to watch, you know,
Speaker 3: it was kind of fun to watch, like I mean,
Speaker 3: it was this literal tennis match, you know. It was
Speaker 3: like it was like a tie breaker in ten where
Speaker 3: you're seeing like good shots hit and passing shots hit
Speaker 3: and you're kind of waiting for somebody to hit the winner.
Speaker 3: And it kind of I mean, I'd say for most
Speaker 3: average golfers, they see that and they think to themselves,
Speaker 3: either you're gonna win or lose this at some point.
Speaker 3: But to stay in it and continually kind of get
Speaker 3: back to that tea and go all right routine again.
Speaker 3: I mean, like you said, Jason Day told you, I
Speaker 3: mean that shows kind of the mental fortitude of pro golfers,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: And I remember one shot, I kind of flared a
Speaker 1: wedge short right of that pen being too aggressive and
Speaker 1: plugged it in the bunker and it's kind of do
Speaker 1: or die, like I'm trying to hold that out. I
Speaker 1: know I have to make bar on that hole. And
Speaker 1: I like that I like being in that mental space
Speaker 1: of yeah, like you said, a tennis matches, do or die,
Speaker 1: I know what I have to do. I've got to
Speaker 1: do it, and you got to stay in the moment.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I did that. I stayed calm,
Speaker 1: I was very focused and in the moment and helped
Speaker 1: it worked out. And the crowd seem to be in
Speaker 1: favor of Kramer, which I liked a lot. I like
Speaker 1: kind of being the underdog in that situation. It seemed
Speaker 1: like they wanted him to win, and I felt like
Speaker 1: my Caddie and I Eric were the only two out
Speaker 1: there that wanted us to win, and I kind of
Speaker 1: liked I kind of liked that situation.
Speaker 2: So you went from thirteen to twenty one without a victory.
Speaker 2: What were some of your close calls along the way
Speaker 2: there during that stretch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember losing the playoff to Jason Day at
Speaker 1: Tory Ponds played really well there. I remember colonial coming
Speaker 1: down the stretch, I felt like I was tied for
Speaker 1: the leader, maybe one up, and then Jordan Speed thirty
Speaker 1: the last three or four holes to beat me. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of close calls and then kind of
Speaker 1: went through a little regression in my Game seventeen eighteen.
Speaker 1: Ish learned a lot about myself and about my game.
Speaker 1: When you're coming out on tour, everything's new and fresh
Speaker 1: and fun and seeing everything for the first time. And
Speaker 1: for me, I didn't I knew how to play the game.
Speaker 1: I just didn't know a whole lot about why I
Speaker 1: did certain things and why that made me good. So
Speaker 1: it was easy to fall in the trap of like
Speaker 1: playing with guys like Dustin or Rory Phil Tiger was like,
Speaker 1: why can't I do that? Why can't I swing the
Speaker 1: club like that? But everybody does it different, and for
Speaker 1: me it was finding why I do certain things my
Speaker 1: way and I can't do things that other guys can do,
Speaker 1: and you can kind of fall in that trap, and
Speaker 1: I did it a little bit of chasing different swings,
Speaker 1: had a lot of different swing coaches, and that didn't
Speaker 1: work for me, and luckily found Justin I think in
Speaker 1: early twenty nineteen and then things starting to click and
Speaker 1: kind of getting back to how I played the game
Speaker 1: and practiced and trained and all that, and it's been great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harris, You're one of those guys that when we
Speaker 2: design our blueprint Irons, we kind of always have you
Speaker 2: in mind, you know, like our original Blueprint you played
Speaker 2: those when they first came out. Now you're playing the
Speaker 2: Blueprint teas and we're designing the product. It's always like, wow,
Speaker 2: we got you know, this is the iron. Harris is
Speaker 2: gonna bring it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: It's like Harris and Tony is like the exactly tell
Speaker 3: us about your first experience with our original Blueprint and
Speaker 3: then uh, and then what has been like transition to
Speaker 3: the new Blueprint tea?
Speaker 1: And it was wild seeing those blueprints for the first time,
Speaker 1: because it's unlike anything Ping's ever made. This is incredible,
Speaker 1: I mean, kind of stepping outside their boundaries and making
Speaker 1: a true players club for us. I'll hear that, like
Speaker 1: to work the ball that can spin it enough, and
Speaker 1: then especially to keep the low irons down a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's kind of what we struggle with, is you get
Speaker 1: into the wind and and some of these game improvement
Speaker 1: irons flights of ball too high, too high, and we
Speaker 1: can't control it as well. So I love I love
Speaker 1: the way they look and hitting them for the first time,
Speaker 1: just the feel is incredible, and and being able to
Speaker 1: work the ball both ways, hitting it high, hitting it low.
Speaker 1: Everything and it was unlike anything I've ever seen from ping,
Speaker 1: and I was in love with it from the first
Speaker 1: time I hit it. And I think there's an easy
Speaker 1: transition going to the blueprint tees. The offset is a
Speaker 1: little bit different, so it took a little bit to
Speaker 1: get used to that, but once I started playing with him,
Speaker 1: it was a very easy transition, and I love them.
Speaker 2: So are you with your iron play? Are you mostly
Speaker 2: a shot maker in terms of controlling your vertical or
Speaker 2: do you curve it? Do you curve it left or right,
Speaker 2: right to left into different pins or crosswind scenarios.
Speaker 1: I like to do both depending. I like the pen
Speaker 1: and the wind kind of dictate what shot I'm trying
Speaker 1: to hit because I feel like I can hit both.
Speaker 1: And the hardest pin for me is a pin in
Speaker 1: the dead center of the green because I can see
Speaker 1: both shots and it's hard for me to commit to
Speaker 1: one or the other. But if it pens on the right,
Speaker 1: I can see a fade in there all day. If
Speaker 1: it depends on the left water left, I can see
Speaker 1: a draw in there. So I like to do both,
Speaker 1: and like playing with Bubba Wattson. I love watching him
Speaker 1: play because I kind of I don't curve it as
Speaker 1: much as he does, but I see the same shots
Speaker 1: that he does. Love playing with that freedom and just
Speaker 1: kind of letting the scenario dictate what shot I'm trying
Speaker 1: to hit instead of trying to force force a shot
Speaker 1: into something that I'm not really comfortable with.
Speaker 3: You talk about center pins, what do you typically go with?
Speaker 3: If you're saying you're looking at a center pin, no wind,
Speaker 3: I mean, are you gonna are you sixty five percent?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna hit a fade or you draw or you'd
Speaker 3: hit it straight? What do you do?
Speaker 1: I don't really know. It depends on the yardist. Like
Speaker 1: if I'm trying to take them off, I'm trying to
Speaker 1: add a little bit. That's the toughest one because I
Speaker 1: can see both, and it's so hard for me to
Speaker 1: just commit to one because I don't know. I'd much
Speaker 1: rather a pin to be tucked than be in the
Speaker 1: dead center. So a little different philosophy than what the
Speaker 1: average player was. An average golfer is like, I don't
Speaker 1: what five off the left or four off the left.
Speaker 1: Hair's like four off the left is great because we
Speaker 1: never really see that unless it's a pro am right right, right,
Speaker 1: That's what we're kind of used to, is playing like
Speaker 1: going out for the pro am. I'm used to seeing
Speaker 1: the pins tucked, so I'm used to working balls and
Speaker 1: miss them in certain areas.
Speaker 2: But if you have a tweener yardage, then you might
Speaker 2: hit a little draw or take a little off with it,
Speaker 2: like cutting it a little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, that's uh. I had to do it a
Speaker 1: lot at pebble. I mean when the greens get really
Speaker 1: soft off to take a lot of spin off. That's
Speaker 1: the hardest thing for me because I I spin it
Speaker 1: a lot with my wedges and my irons. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the hardest thing for me. So I'm working on that
Speaker 1: a little bit. But yeah, I mean, if if I'm
Speaker 1: trying to add a little bit, I'm gonna draw it.
Speaker 1: If I'm taking a five six yards off, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to hit a little soft cut in there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Harris is the ultimate blueprint t player. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: just shaping it both directions, high spin, You're you're you're fighting,
Speaker 2: unlike the average player getting spin off. They're trying. We're
Speaker 2: trying to help them get the ball in the air,
Speaker 2: which is pretty cool. Now, Harris, what about transitioning into
Speaker 2: your wedges. You're one, You're one of I don't know,
Speaker 2: not too rare, but Shane's one of them that plays
Speaker 2: our you know, s one fifine pitching wedge basically right
Speaker 2: the forty eight? Have you always played that?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Why do you choose that over the set pitching wedge.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Just if I'm playing a wedge, I
Speaker 1: wanted to look like my other wedges. Yeah, I've never
Speaker 1: really done well with like a set pitching wedge. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I chiple out with my pitching wedge
Speaker 1: A hill, a lot of bumping around, Yeah, long bunker shots.
Speaker 1: I feel like it has more playability. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm one of the few, but
Speaker 1: I've kind of always gravitated towards playing a pitching wedge
Speaker 1: like my other wedges.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's same for me too. It's like the shots
Speaker 3: around the green. It just, I mean, it looked when
Speaker 3: you look down at it, it looks like you're fifty.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: It's just so much easier, and I feel like you're
Speaker 3: more confident pulling that club out and going with it.
Speaker 3: So I'm with it. Can we go back to twenty
Speaker 3: eleven for a minute, because obviously twenty twenty four we've
Speaker 3: seen Ammeter win on the PGA Tour. You won on
Speaker 3: the corn Ferry Tours an amateur. What point during that
Speaker 3: week did you think you actually might win the golf tournament.
Speaker 1: That was a wild week. I just won the Southern
Speaker 1: Amateur the week before. I was playing really well, and
Speaker 1: that was one of the events where if you're an
Speaker 1: All American, I think I was a second team All American.
Speaker 1: I got in the tournament at how To State. But
Speaker 1: it was a weird week, like I was paired with
Speaker 1: Peter Eulin and Bank. I'm I'm gonna butcher his last name,
Speaker 1: Arnan von Vonage. I think you know we caught him Bank.
Speaker 1: So I played with two amateurs the first two days
Speaker 1: and then I played with John Peterson I think the
Speaker 1: third day at the time, and I think before the
Speaker 1: last day. It was the only time ever I played
Speaker 1: with the pro. I played with John Peterson as well,
Speaker 1: so so to me, it just it was a comfort zone,
Speaker 1: like I played with all my buddies that I played
Speaker 1: with for a long time. It was weird, like it
Speaker 1: was just I felt like I was just battling out
Speaker 1: with John Peterson. The whole time, and just like our
Speaker 1: college days, and uh, it was a strange week, like
Speaker 1: it didn't feel like a pro event to me, Like
Speaker 1: I wasn't playing for money. I was out there trying
Speaker 1: to make the Walker Cup team later that year, just
Speaker 1: trying to do the best I can, and it was
Speaker 1: such a comfort zone for me, and on top of
Speaker 1: that playing some of the best golf of my life.
Speaker 1: So uh, it was awesome being the mix and unfortunate
Speaker 1: John Peterson made Bogiel on eighteen, I made birdie to
Speaker 1: get the win. But it was an awesome week and
Speaker 1: really jumped start in my career.
Speaker 3: Were you are you surprised that it took so long
Speaker 3: for an ameterur went on the PGA Tour. Obviously we
Speaker 3: had it happened in twenty twenty four, but I mean
Speaker 3: you go back to ninety two with Phil Mickelson winning
Speaker 3: as an amateur. I mean, we've seen amateurs getting contention
Speaker 3: even a major championships, think about the Open Championship a
Speaker 3: few years ago with St. Andrew's. But it felt like
Speaker 3: as good as these amateur players are and as many
Speaker 3: many experiences they're getting in pro events and being on camera,
Speaker 3: you feel like that comfort level is going to get
Speaker 3: there at some point. Did it surprise you that it
Speaker 3: took this long ninety two to twenty four to see
Speaker 3: an ameter win on the PGA Tour?
Speaker 1: It actually has, Yeah, especially with the guys. I mean,
Speaker 1: Speeth was probably pretty close to Scotti. Scheffler got in
Speaker 1: a number of events. I know it's a different level
Speaker 1: of pressure when you're an amateur compared to a pro,
Speaker 1: but yeah, it has surprised me that it hasn't been
Speaker 1: ticked off before now and you could see it happen
Speaker 1: more often and some of these smaller not smaller fields
Speaker 1: but not a big name turn out signature events, signature events.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was awesome to see. I think the
Speaker 1: whole world was pulling on Nick Dunlapp to do it.
Speaker 1: It was awesome to see, great for golf and just
Speaker 1: shows how good these kids in college are. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's that's how it's been for a while. I mean,
Speaker 1: these kids are ready to play. I mean the facilities
Speaker 1: in college, the training these guys are doing, and they
Speaker 1: are coming out thinking they can compete, and they can
Speaker 1: and they're great players. And I think you'll see it
Speaker 1: more often. I don't know if you'll see it every year,
Speaker 1: but I think more guys are amateurs are probably gonna
Speaker 1: get some starts in the PGA Tour, and they got
Speaker 1: a great chance to pull it off.
Speaker 3: I think being on TV helps too. I mean, I
Speaker 3: just feel like when you're kind of going through some
Speaker 3: of the things that Amber Golfer has obviously improved since
Speaker 3: you were a college golfer and aer golfer facilities are great,
Speaker 3: travel is great, but having cameras on you, having crowds around,
Speaker 3: like that's becoming more popular in amateur golf. You're seeing
Speaker 3: collegiate events on TV a lot more. And when you're
Speaker 3: more comfortable in that scenario, and then you get to
Speaker 3: the PGA Tour, it's not such a jump. It's not
Speaker 3: such a big jump. You go out and shoot sixty
Speaker 3: five sixty five Thursday Friday at a PJ door VN
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, cameras areun for the first time,
Speaker 3: and you're like, what do I do? You know, do
Speaker 3: I walk weird? Do I do these types of things? Well,
Speaker 3: you don't have to worry about that anymore when you're
Speaker 3: on TV five six, seven times a year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And when I was in college, we were never
Speaker 1: on TV, and I think that's why they went to
Speaker 1: the match play to be able to get college golf
Speaker 1: on TV. And it's awesome to watch it on the
Speaker 1: Golf Channel. I love watching college golf on TV. And yeah,
Speaker 1: you're to your point. I mean, if they're more comfortable
Speaker 1: those scenarios in college, they're going to be more comfortab
Speaker 1: when they get the tour and it's not gonna be
Speaker 1: that much different. So it's awesome to see and it
Speaker 1: just shows where college golf is now. And people may
Speaker 1: think the average golf in probably doesn't watch a whole
Speaker 1: lot of college golf or amateur golf, but these guys
Speaker 1: are really good and they need to tune in more
Speaker 1: to the US Amateur, to the Walker Cup, to these
Speaker 1: big time college events because these kids are coming on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour and they're going to be the stars
Speaker 1: here in a few years.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's happened so fast, Marty. I mean, I
Speaker 3: think that's what's been so surprising these last few years
Speaker 3: is kind of going back to twenty nineteen. You think
Speaker 3: about that group that crop jumping off and you got
Speaker 3: you know, Victor obviously played so well at that US
Speaker 3: Amateur at Pebble and Justin so was number amateur in
Speaker 3: the world. It's like all these guys come up at
Speaker 3: the same time and they win, you know, and they
Speaker 3: can tend and they play well, and obviously you're seeing
Speaker 3: it now. Ludwig had obviously a great season. I mean,
Speaker 3: add c wins on the corn Ferry Tour in his
Speaker 3: first start. It almost feels like they're itching to get
Speaker 3: out there, you know. And how much different do you
Speaker 3: see the amateur golfer now versus when you turn pro?
Speaker 3: Like what's is it?
Speaker 2: Is?
Speaker 3: It drastically different in terms of how they are right
Speaker 3: out of the gate.
Speaker 1: I feel like they're just a more complete player. I mean,
Speaker 1: the biggest thing I've seen is these kids now hit
Speaker 1: it so far. Yeah, I mean I remember coming out
Speaker 1: my first couple of years, I felt like I was
Speaker 1: one of the longest on the PGA Tour. And really
Speaker 1: my numbers have stayed the same, and like every year
Speaker 1: I just keep dropping back and driving goes down. I
Speaker 1: think I was like top fifteen maybe my first year
Speaker 1: on tour, and I felt like my numbers have stayed
Speaker 1: the same. And I don't know what I am now,
Speaker 1: but I'm probably past fiftieth and these kids hit it long,
Speaker 1: hit it straight, They're not scared. They're hitting driver more often.
Speaker 1: We didn't have all these stats coming out right on
Speaker 1: about how to play certain holes, how to be aggressive,
Speaker 1: how to make birdie.
Speaker 3: Do you dive into that stuff, like do you look
Speaker 3: at that stuff as well? Bit?
Speaker 1: I mean for me, it's more of a comfort level too,
Speaker 1: Like now I've played these golf courses for twelve years,
Speaker 1: like I kind of know the blueprint for each course
Speaker 1: and what suits my game. I'm not going to hit
Speaker 1: drivers somewhere where I'm not comfortable with it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I feel like the strength of my game is
Speaker 1: kind of my mid iron, So I'm not scared to
Speaker 1: lay back and hit it in the fairway and then
Speaker 1: access a pen with an eight iron or seven iron.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's a great part of my game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, these these kids, they hit it long.
Speaker 1: They kind of grew up on the track man, and
Speaker 1: they know how to optimize all that stuff. And the
Speaker 1: training programs have gotten to be incredible. I know you've
Speaker 1: kind of done some of that speedstick. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't grow up with that. We didn't
Speaker 1: really know how to do that. I been growing up
Speaker 1: for me with the ballata ball, the professional ball, like
Speaker 1: we never hit up on it. I kind of teed
Speaker 1: it low and launched it low, and.
Speaker 3: It was the one that started like an airplane. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's low and then awesome, awesome to see. But now
Speaker 3: now these guys are launching it so high with no
Speaker 3: spend and hitting it forever, and it's just the game
Speaker 3: has changed so much in the past ten to twelve years.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think also there is like that, you know players,
Speaker 2: you see them bringing their foreside or what have you
Speaker 2: on the course or measuring every single shot, you know,
Speaker 2: so you're getting the feedback every time. Have you felt
Speaker 2: the pressure to increase your own distance or you have
Speaker 2: you stayed kind of immune to that and hey you
Speaker 2: are still a long hitter and just do your own thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd rather do it in like the workout trailer
Speaker 1: of the training room. Yeah, and not really mess with
Speaker 1: my swing too much, because I know you can kind
Speaker 1: of go too much. I've heard of guys doing a
Speaker 1: lot of that speed six training and maybe it messes
Speaker 1: up their seven or messes up there wedge. Like it'd
Speaker 1: be cool to get fifteen extra yards off the tee.
Speaker 1: But if it diminishes some of the other parts of
Speaker 1: my game that are very good, then I don't really
Speaker 1: see the benefit of that. But I'd rather do it
Speaker 1: in the in the workout room, working on my body,
Speaker 1: trying to do some more ballistic stuff, speed stuff in there, yeah,
Speaker 1: to then hopefully help that translate to my game.
Speaker 2: At this point, have you are you trying to maintain
Speaker 2: or you feel a little pressure to gain some ball speed?
Speaker 1: I maintain right now, but I mean, yeah, it wouldn't
Speaker 1: hurt now. I mean, this past offseason was my first
Speaker 1: off season really in golfing twelve or thirteen years in college,
Speaker 1: so I feel like I used it wisely to gain
Speaker 1: some strength, gain a little speed, and during the season
Speaker 1: you're just trying to maintain. For me, I mean, the
Speaker 1: most I'm going to take off this year is probably
Speaker 1: two weeks at a time, so it's really hard to
Speaker 1: do a whole lot of that stuff in your off weeks.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your driver hairs G four to thirty LST.
Speaker 2: For a long time you play the G four hundred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, again, the sound I mean when they when Pin
Speaker 1: came out with the G four hundred that was probably
Speaker 1: my favorite driver I've ever played. The sound for us,
Speaker 1: the sound, the feel, the look, I mean, all of
Speaker 1: it are mixed in together. And even now, like hitting
Speaker 1: that G four thirty, I'll have people like turn their
Speaker 1: heads like, man, that sounds really good. Yeah, and it's
Speaker 1: hard to hard to replicate that. And I think for
Speaker 1: me personally, the G four thirty is a great answer
Speaker 1: to the G four hundred for for me of the sound,
Speaker 1: the feel, what I'm looking for in the flight, It's
Speaker 1: been amazing. I've tried the ten k a little bit,
Speaker 1: which is awesome. The missits are incredible. Yeah, definitely a
Speaker 1: little bit of getting used to swinging a little bigger head.
Speaker 1: You can feel it more in the swing. But man,
Speaker 1: I mean that G four thirty line is awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the LST with the composite on there gets
Speaker 2: the acoustics a little bit deeper, and that's that's what
Speaker 2: you're kind of one that was very important to right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I feel like a lot more of those
Speaker 1: heads sounded that way when I was younger, The G two,
Speaker 1: the G five like had that deeper sound to it,
Speaker 1: not the tingy yep, I don't know it for uh,
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes such a difference, and I don't
Speaker 1: know what it is, but when we practice so much,
Speaker 1: when we play so much, you get used to certain sounds,
Speaker 1: and I know, sound and feel correlate so much. They
Speaker 1: might not in the world you're in, but for us,
Speaker 1: sound and feel or correlated a lot.
Speaker 2: Actually, I think this is an experiment. Any the listener
Speaker 2: can do is put on and so many kids now
Speaker 2: practice with headphones on, and that you know, you could
Speaker 2: put noise canceling headphones on and hit a bunch of
Speaker 2: different putters and you can't tell the difference in the field.
Speaker 2: So it's almost you know, you could argue it's one
Speaker 2: hundred percent sound is the feel you get, especially off
Speaker 2: a putter.
Speaker 3: Is practicing with I think we've talked a little bit
Speaker 3: about this, but it's practicing with headphones a bad thing
Speaker 3: to do, in your opinion.
Speaker 2: In my opinion, I think, so you don't that I don't.
Speaker 2: If I'm doing like a human human Mian podcast, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of having it on very low volume if I'm
Speaker 2: chipping or something, so you can still get that, you know,
Speaker 2: get get that acoustic feedback, but you don't have you
Speaker 2: do a big the big one. No, I'm not doing
Speaker 2: that at all.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really put the air pods in. I'll
Speaker 1: have like a speaker or my phone playing something. But
Speaker 1: like you, I don't like putting air pods in because
Speaker 1: you like chipping putting the feel aspect, like you don't
Speaker 1: get the same response, or I can't tell like an
Speaker 1: iron shot, like did I hit that perfect or I
Speaker 1: missed a little bit, Like it's hard to tell when
Speaker 1: you have air pods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, one of the big ingredients of your feedback.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you gotta have it. Did you watch
Speaker 3: the college football playoff this year?
Speaker 1: I did. I was a little sad the dog. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it was who are you rooting.
Speaker 3: For in that situation? Is it just like everybody beat
Speaker 3: Bama kind of situation?
Speaker 1: Or I didn't want Bama to play. I didn't want
Speaker 1: them to back door another nice championship.
Speaker 3: Well look at this just a slight dig I like that.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: I wanted Washington and I thought that was a cool story.
Speaker 1: Good Michael Pennox was incredible. I know he didn't have
Speaker 1: a great championship game, but it was a cool story.
Speaker 1: Kind of an underdog they were. I played Oregon twice
Speaker 1: and they're still like a nine point underdog playing in
Speaker 1: the second time, and Vegas didn't think they were very good,
Speaker 1: and they made it and they kept beating everybody, and
Speaker 1: I kind of wanted them to win. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Michigan had a great team. I would have loved to
Speaker 1: see Georgia play Michigan at some point, but it is
Speaker 1: what it is. I'm glad they're going to the twelve
Speaker 1: team playoff, mainly for our scenario of losing one game
Speaker 1: in twenty nine gays out. So I mean, we've got
Speaker 1: a really tough schedule, so we'd be lucky to get
Speaker 1: through that season with one or two losses, so hopefully
Speaker 1: we can get in that twelve team playoff. I think
Speaker 1: it's just going to be make that even better and
Speaker 1: make it better on TV.
Speaker 3: Why does the US Open play into your hands so
Speaker 3: well because you've played so well over the last few
Speaker 3: years at the US Open in terms of major championship golf.
Speaker 1: I love that kind of golf. I love when greens
Speaker 1: get firm chest smash out there where bogie avoidance might
Speaker 1: be better than the birdies for me, and if you
Speaker 1: get out of position, it's like, okay, where do I
Speaker 1: now need to put the ball to give myself a
Speaker 1: four to six foot or for par. And I love
Speaker 1: that kind of golf and very strategic, kind of how
Speaker 1: I grew up. I mean, kind of small greens. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna hit more than twelve greens. You got to
Speaker 1: get up and down. I love it. I love when
Speaker 1: the winning score is anywhere less than probably ten or
Speaker 1: twelve under. I don't know what it is, but I've
Speaker 1: gravitated towards the US Open and love when it gets
Speaker 1: really hard. I feel like that's when you got to
Speaker 1: have a great mental space out there and really start
Speaker 1: grinding and put the mouthpiece in. And that's what I
Speaker 1: love about that kind of golf.
Speaker 3: So like when you're looking at the schedule and you
Speaker 3: see Pineers number two as the host of the US
Speaker 3: Open this season, you get excited obviously. I mean it's
Speaker 3: a tough golf course that can play extremely tough. Par
Speaker 3: is a very very good score on any whole out there.
Speaker 3: I mean, as you're kind of looking ahead at the
Speaker 3: schedule and you're looking ahead at the major season, I'm
Speaker 3: assuming when you see a place like Pinehurst than Oakmont
Speaker 3: and wing Foot, you know that's hosting that year. It
Speaker 3: probably gets you pumped up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know if I'm I'm playing decent, I've I've
Speaker 1: got controller of my golf. Well, I feel like I'm
Speaker 1: going to be in that tournament every single time because
Speaker 1: I'm not going to beat myself. I'm gonna use the
Speaker 1: practice rounds to really learn how to play that golf
Speaker 1: course and where to miss it to certain pins. And
Speaker 1: like I said, a chess match, and I love that
Speaker 1: kind of golf and I wish we played more of
Speaker 1: that on the PGA Tour. I know it's very weather
Speaker 1: depend it because for a lot of these guys out here,
Speaker 1: when when the greens get soft, it's a dark context.
Speaker 3: And is there a golf course on tour year to
Speaker 3: year that feels the closest to us open feels like
Speaker 3: it's probably Bay Hill, Say Bayhill when it gets baked,
Speaker 3: feels kind of us opening.
Speaker 1: A hill Tampa a little bit colonial. When it gets firm,
Speaker 1: I just like when the when the conditions are really firm,
Speaker 1: and and for me it helps out because I can
Speaker 1: spin it a lot. I can get to a lot
Speaker 1: of pins that other people can't get to. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when the greens get firm, it makes it
Speaker 1: more penalizing if you hit the rough because you can't
Speaker 1: really hit the green and you've got to then I'll
Speaker 1: kind of run it up the front. Do I miss
Speaker 1: it on this this bunker to get it close to
Speaker 1: the pen So I enjoy that kind of golf.
Speaker 2: Haris, you talked about a lot about having a bunch
Speaker 2: of different grinds and wedges, you know in your collection.
Speaker 2: Now you're using S one fifty nine. You've used the
Speaker 2: H grind which is our half moon, and also kind
Speaker 2: of toggling a little bit with our tea grind. Tell
Speaker 2: us about do you switch grinds a little bit, depend
Speaker 2: on conditions, your technique and where are you at right now.
Speaker 1: I started with the Tea grind U in Hawaii, especially
Speaker 1: Sonny was a little firmer conditions, and the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks I've switched to the H grind. Tory was soft.
Speaker 1: Double Beach was extremely soft. So that's what I've got
Speaker 1: to get better at, is kind of switching between two
Speaker 1: of the For me, the bun career if it's firm
Speaker 1: or soft, and that's when I'm working with the ping
Speaker 1: guys to travel with two wedges and to kind of
Speaker 1: go back and forth and have two wedges that I'm
Speaker 1: really comfortable with and just bring them in and out
Speaker 1: based on the conditions. So I'm learning a bit more
Speaker 1: like that and and kind of enjoying knowing more about
Speaker 1: the clubs and the different grinds and how that can
Speaker 1: help me hit different chips and bunker shots and get
Speaker 1: the ball to do what I want to do.
Speaker 2: So for you, a big priority on your sixty degree
Speaker 2: is bunker play.
Speaker 1: Yeah. For me, kind of the short sided bunker play,
Speaker 1: because if I'm going to be pretty aggressive getting into
Speaker 1: pins and I do missing a bunker, I want to
Speaker 1: be confident like, Okay, I can hit it in there
Speaker 1: and be fine. If it's not plugged, I got a
Speaker 1: good chance of getting up and down.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Because the pins are so talk for three to four
Speaker 1: paces off the green, you're gonna have some really short
Speaker 1: sided bunker shots, so you got to bring it in
Speaker 1: high and soft and have enough spend to keep it
Speaker 1: around the hole. So Yeah, I'm really good at the
Speaker 1: basic bumping runs. That's why I like chipping on my
Speaker 1: fifty two, my pushing wege, That's why I use the
Speaker 1: yeah do great. Yeah, Because I do use those a
Speaker 1: lot if the if I've got enough green to work
Speaker 1: with to bump and run it back there, but you
Speaker 1: got to be able to hit that high soft shot
Speaker 1: with a lot of spin out here on tour and
Speaker 1: having the right grind and the right foot to help
Speaker 1: me do that.
Speaker 2: What is the best, uh short game shot? You think
Speaker 2: in your repertoire, where you could you could You're you're
Speaker 2: better than most.
Speaker 1: I here, I practice a lot of like downhill live
Speaker 1: bunker shots. For me, it's more of a training tool
Speaker 1: to where I stay stay in the shot, I don't
Speaker 1: back out of the shot. I practice a lot. I
Speaker 1: kind of do it in my warm up routine, so
Speaker 1: I feel like anytime I get that shot in competition,
Speaker 1: I'm you kind of excited, excited to hit it. So
Speaker 1: I would say I'm probably better than most hit long
Speaker 1: bunker shots and downhill bunker shots.
Speaker 3: Take us to the Ryder Cup. You go out with
Speaker 3: Tony f Now and you guys get Rory and Shane
Speaker 3: Lowry and this is your first experience of the Ryder Cup.
Speaker 3: What was the first let's say thirty minutes of that experience.
Speaker 3: It's like when you got to the first t you
Speaker 3: guys started to hit golf shots that gott the match
Speaker 3: because I mean I could imagine it was nerve wracking, exciting, intimidating,
Speaker 3: all those kind of things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was awesome to get paired with
Speaker 1: my boy Tony. He's the best, super fun, super even keeled,
Speaker 1: great energy. It was a very comfortable pairing for me.
Speaker 1: I just love playing with Tony. I love being around him,
Speaker 1: and it was awesome to draw Shane and Rory like,
Speaker 1: all right, we're getting through. We got a great deal.
Speaker 1: Let's let's get after it. Well, there's so much build
Speaker 1: up to it, and then finally when after you hit
Speaker 1: that first T shot, you're like, all right, we're we're
Speaker 1: playing golf again. It's it's go time. But that first
Speaker 1: T shot, I mean, for me, it's like if if
Speaker 1: I can get the ball on the tee the first
Speaker 1: time and then it doesn't fall off, doesn't fall off,
Speaker 1: your hands are shaking a little bit, and then that
Speaker 1: opening hole is just like hit driver as hard as
Speaker 1: you can, which is awesome. I probably wouldn't like hitting
Speaker 1: a four iron off that tea, but it was awesome.
Speaker 1: Hit great drives every day and we had some great matches.
Speaker 1: Tony played great putted great beat Rory and Shane. And
Speaker 1: the next day we got Shane and Tyrrollhattan, which is
Speaker 1: another great match, and they squeaked this out on the
Speaker 1: last soul. Shane made a fifteen footer on eighteen to win.
Speaker 1: That match went up. But it was an awesome experience
Speaker 1: and something I'll never forget.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's got to be a drug. It's like playing,
Speaker 3: like like continuing in US Open or getting in condition
Speaker 3: at a big event. I mean, played in a Ryder Cup.
Speaker 3: Probably the closest. You know, it's around the super Bowl
Speaker 3: right now we're recording this and it's probably the closest
Speaker 3: golfers can field to super Bowl week. You know, you
Speaker 3: get two weeks off. Obviously you're not playing golf till Friday,
Speaker 3: a lot of build up, a lot of hype around it.
Speaker 3: Not much else is going on in the golf world.
Speaker 3: But when you're in that world, you're in that space,
Speaker 3: and then you go home on Monday or Tuesday and
Speaker 3: you're thinking back to it. It's probably a mindset of
Speaker 3: I've got to get back to there. I've got to
Speaker 3: get back to that again. In a couple of years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, once you make one you never want
Speaker 1: to miss another team. I hated not being with them
Speaker 1: in Rome this year, but I got up early with
Speaker 1: our baby and watching on TV and a little bit
Speaker 1: of FOMO. But I loved watching them and it's such
Speaker 1: a cool experience. And to anybody that has never been
Speaker 1: to a Ryder Cup, you have to go. I mean
Speaker 1: the one at bet Page next year or two years
Speaker 1: is going to be incredible. There's just so much adrenaline
Speaker 1: and four matches on the golf course, like every shot
Speaker 1: means so much, and it's like playing sixteen at Scottsdale.
Speaker 1: Pretty much every hole you're adrenaline is through the roof.
Speaker 1: I mean, even going back to the team hotel, it's
Speaker 1: just hard to settle down. It's hard to go to sleep,
Speaker 1: hard to get your rest because you're on such a
Speaker 1: high adrenaline rush. It's it's amazing. I mean, it was
Speaker 1: one of the best experiences of my life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's incredible. I've played on two PGA Cup teams.
Speaker 2: So when the PGA of America spun off the Ryder Cup,
Speaker 2: they started the PGA Cup which is for the club
Speaker 2: pro so we play against GBA, GB and I and
Speaker 2: that's been two of the funnest weeks. Obviously we don't
Speaker 2: have the big galleries, but it's been. It's been on
Speaker 2: Golf Channel and it's been super fun. I made the
Speaker 2: winning putt to beat gb I nine a huge comeback
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one, and that was like the most
Speaker 2: fun I've ever had.
Speaker 3: It was just a team golf, more nervous than that,
Speaker 3: or more nervous like majors or when you played here.
Speaker 2: I was probably like sixteen. When I played sixteen at Phoenix.
Speaker 2: There's so much buzz in there that actually wasn't that
Speaker 2: nervous and hitting short and you're hitting a pitch away right,
Speaker 2: you're mashing a pitch awage or something like that.
Speaker 1: Or no, you're not trying to chip a little ninern
Speaker 1: in there, You're you're taking a club lesson.
Speaker 2: I have my whole team around, and so it's like
Speaker 2: they're all rely like you know, they're all relying on
Speaker 2: me to win this final hole. That was probably the
Speaker 2: most pressure I felt on the golf course.
Speaker 1: Actually, team team golf is different. I mean, it's it's
Speaker 1: way more pressure because for me, like I can deal
Speaker 1: with if deal with if I had a bad shot
Speaker 1: or short side myself but it's.
Speaker 3: Kind of on you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to deal with the concerts, and playing
Speaker 1: best ball with Tony is a little bit easier. And
Speaker 1: then alternate shot, so like I let Tony play his game,
Speaker 1: he lets me play my game. Yeah, we're trying to
Speaker 1: make as many birdy as we can, so it's a
Speaker 1: little bit easier. But yeah, team golf, I mean you
Speaker 1: don't you don't want to let your teammates sound.
Speaker 2: How did you and Tony pick which golf ball you're
Speaker 2: going to use?
Speaker 1: So we played best ball, so we we uh got Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's right. I got to play our un ball.
Speaker 2: How'd you do that? In the alternate shot?
Speaker 3: He's like rock paper scissors or something or who cares?
Speaker 1: Yeah, who cares less?
Speaker 3: Or I guess like if you're paring with Tiger or
Speaker 3: Phil is like we'll use you, I'll adjust. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The only time I've really done that is the Grant
Speaker 1: Thornton played with Matt Coocher for for years and I played.
Speaker 3: With you guys, have like a run there? Yeah we
Speaker 3: wanted like three times? Is that right?
Speaker 1: I think?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got second a couple of times. We've had
Speaker 1: a good run. That's an awesome event and uh. Playing
Speaker 1: with Selene Boudier this year was awesome getting to meet
Speaker 1: some of the LPGA players and and see their games.
Speaker 1: They're they're awesome and unbelievable wedge games, unbelievable putters. It
Speaker 1: was really cool to see that side.
Speaker 3: What's left on the goals of Harris English for your career?
Speaker 3: Do you have to a do you make goals? Beat?
Speaker 3: You write them down and see what is on the
Speaker 3: list if you do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I make goals. I write them down some I
Speaker 1: need to be better about that. But I to compete
Speaker 1: in majors, I mean thirty four That's that's what we
Speaker 1: play for. I mean, that's why I'm on the PGA
Speaker 1: Tour is I want to play and as many major
Speaker 1: as I can and then have as many chances to
Speaker 1: win as possible, and and even big tournaments on the
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. I don't care what tournament is. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're coming out on the stretch and contention, you're
Speaker 1: feeling the butterflies, you're feeling the nerves and you want
Speaker 1: to win because it's it's so hard to win on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. But yeah, I would would love to
Speaker 1: knock off a major two more I mean for me,
Speaker 1: it's like if I can get in contention half the
Speaker 1: tournaments I play in, that's that's a great year. Or
Speaker 1: that's a great week. If if if I'm within two
Speaker 1: or three shots to leave none holes to play, that's
Speaker 1: a successful week for me, because that's where I want
Speaker 1: to be. That's why and why I play the game,
Speaker 1: to get those nerves, to get that feeling, that adrenaline going,
Speaker 1: and to play on some Rider Cup teams, play on
Speaker 1: Presidence Cup teams because I got a taste of that,
Speaker 1: and like I said earlier, once you have that taste,
Speaker 1: you don't want to miss another one.
Speaker 3: Do you keep all the gear? Like do you keep
Speaker 3: all the shirts and stuff? Do you give them away?
Speaker 1: What do you most of it?
Speaker 3: It is and it's like boxes a gear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and like cleaning out all my stuff the
Speaker 1: last couple of months, it's like how much gear accumulates,
Speaker 1: and like we got that much stuff for the Ryder
Speaker 1: Cup and you don't want to give it away. I mean,
Speaker 1: because it means so much and I want my kids
Speaker 1: to be able to see it or wear it someday
Speaker 1: would be really cool. Yeah, being thirteen years, you accumulate
Speaker 1: so much and it's like what what do I need
Speaker 1: to take with me or what can I get rid
Speaker 1: of and not worry about?
Speaker 3: Well, Harrison, we really appreciate the time, great chat with you.
Speaker 3: I hope you have a great season. Excited to see
Speaker 3: you can tend and compete in the major championships and
Speaker 3: keep doing what you're doing. Bit a great chat. Thanks
Speaker 3: so much time.
Speaker 1: Thank you Marty Yep. I would love to shout at
Speaker 1: you someday that your work.
Speaker 2: Feel free anytime you want, come on.
Speaker 3: Over, come over there and build a couple of clubs.
Speaker 3: Get really diled and see what he's doing.
Speaker 1: I don't know a whole lot about it, but I
Speaker 1: love what goes into it and I think it's really cool.
Speaker 2: So I love thanks. Harris's been It's been fun working
Speaker 2: with you. And like I said, I was not joking
Speaker 2: when we think about designing some you know, always the
Speaker 2: deep faced fairwe would We talked about Harris on Blueprint irons.
Speaker 2: We talked about Harris. You know, we're working on Putter
Speaker 2: designs and trying what can we learn from the ho hum, we're.
Speaker 1: All Scott still? What did what did that face of
Speaker 1: the Scott still? Why is it so.
Speaker 2: Put yeah, I know we've put that insert in a
Speaker 2: lot of other putters, uh, for players and just trying
Speaker 2: to learn. And I think you're so tuned into the
Speaker 2: field right in marrying. Yes, it needs to perform this way,
Speaker 2: but also what we want to do from a field standpoint.
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