WEBVTT - Episode 45: Harris English 0:00:00.400 --> 0:00:02.400 The guys from Ping. They've kind of showed me how 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:05.120 much the equipment matters. I just love that I can 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:06.600 hit any shot I kind of want. 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.480 We're gonna be able to tell some fun stories about 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:10.640 what goes on here to help golfers play better golf. 0:00:11.480 --> 0:00:14.520 Welcome back to the Ping proven Grounds podcast. Exciting guest 0:00:14.560 --> 0:00:17.239 today Shane Baker with Marty Jerts and Marty one of 0:00:17.239 --> 0:00:20.119 the great pros and longevity has been one of the 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:21.000 keys to his success. 0:00:21.480 --> 0:00:24.440 Yeah. Four time PGA Tour winner Harris English, is awesome 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:25.200 to have you on the pod. 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:26.520 Appreciate you having me. Guys. 0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:28.680 Are you a podcast guy, Harris? Are you into it? 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:29.320 Do you listen to them? 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:31.320 Or I do a little bit. Not a whole lot 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:35.000 of golf podcasts been in the humor and lately just 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:36.960 kind of learning about a lot of different things. 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:38.000 What are you into right now? 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:44.120 The Human podcast? The Stanford Professor. Yeah, just kind of 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:48.760 some science stuff, performance stuff of how I can get 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:51.599 better on the course, eating wise. He had a good 0:00:51.640 --> 0:00:55.880 alcohol podcast recently that I've listened to. But uh, yeah, 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:58.000 really anything but golf. I feel like we're in the 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:00.319 golf world so much. It's kind of nice to get 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.960 away from it and listen to something else. 0:01:03.000 --> 0:01:05.480 Were you a consumer of golf stuff like when you 0:01:05.480 --> 0:01:07.200 were an amateur, when you were a college kid. I mean, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:09.520 I know that kind of changes once it becomes your job. 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:11.520 But did you read when you were younger? Did you 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:13.280 read like golf books things like that at all? 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:17.319 I did? I did obviously growing up in the Tiger 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.960 Woods era, Ye got us all into golf and watching 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:25.000 him in the two thousands was incredible, and I feel 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.440 like I'm a I love collecting golf clubs. I love 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:31.840 old school golf clubs, even at home. I mean, I 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:34.679 know the Ping guys know that once I find something 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:37.280 that I like, I stick to it. And Ping has 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:39.920 made some unbelievable clubs throughout the years, and I love 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:41.800 kind of holding on to those relics. 0:01:41.959 --> 0:01:43.680 One of those, Harris is your putter? 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:45.680 Talk about that? 0:01:45.760 --> 0:01:46.440 I still have one? 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:49.120 Oh hum, when did you first start using that? 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:52.360 So my senior year at college at Georgia was struggling 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:54.520 with my putting a little bit going into my spring semester, 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:58.880 my last semester, and thank Scott Sullivan, who was the 0:01:59.080 --> 0:02:03.800 college rep for sent me a couple of putters and 0:02:03.840 --> 0:02:05.360 the whole hum was one of them. I don't even 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:06.840 think he sent it to me. He might have sent 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.560 it to a couple of our players, and our assistant 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:11.120 coach got it. He was out on the putt and 0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:13.160 green saying how good it was, and I ended up 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.800 trying it and it stuck, played really well that spring semester, 0:02:18.120 --> 0:02:19.760 made it pretty far in the pub links won the 0:02:19.760 --> 0:02:23.320 Southern ameitter, won the nationwide event, and it kind of 0:02:23.360 --> 0:02:26.440 kept going. And it's one of those things where if 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:29.280 it's not broke, don't fix it, And something about the 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:32.360 face on it. I mean, I know Nate Lashley putts 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:35.200 with a similar putter out here. For us, it's like 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.600 three wood and putter. It's the hardest thing to get 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:41.960 rid of, to change, and it's one of those where 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:45.000 I know the good and bad of it. I know 0:02:45.560 --> 0:02:49.359 my missus with it, and it's just something you kind 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:49.800 of stick to. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:52.080 Are you using the same exact one from college? 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.400 I have. I have four different ones right now that 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:57.720 I've kind of collected over the years, so I don't 0:02:57.760 --> 0:02:59.760 know if it's the exact same one. I'll kind of 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:01.480 put one in the corner for a little bit to 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:05.800 take a time out if it's not working right. But yeah, 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:07.720 I mean that the grip, I mean the the whole 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:10.120 grip thing of the Ryder cup. I mean I I 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:12.800 don't really like to change grips a whole lot. I 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:15.919 like it kind of warning because my hands sweat a 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:19.400 little bit and I don't like a real shiny, slippery grip, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:21.400 So I like it warning a lot. I know the 0:03:21.400 --> 0:03:24.040 guys in the on the trailer will send it down 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.440 a little bit for me. But yeah, it's worked really well. 0:03:27.960 --> 0:03:30.240 I've tried a lot of different putters, I mean, but 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.440 it's it's hard to switch. 0:03:32.720 --> 0:03:34.920 What's your club collection? Like at home? How how many 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.080 clubs do you think you have in your your garage 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:37.880 or wherever you storm? 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.560 So we were in the process of moving and I 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.160 had to clean out a lot of clubs and I 0:03:42.200 --> 0:03:46.400 didn't realize how many clubs actually because get four it 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:48.560 out of a closet. Yeah, it was. It was a lot. 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.080 And if I've played a tournament with one, or I 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:53.520 can remember a shot with a certain club, I really 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:57.640 can't give it up, especially with wedges, different grinds and like, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.320 oh this is how it felt three woods. I still 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.440 have a lot of g two' s G five's that 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:04.280 I loved. I love that deep face on the G 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:05.760 five three. Well that was probably my favorite. 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:05.920 Three. 0:04:05.960 --> 0:04:08.720 What I've I've ever had, Yeah, but just some. I 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.640 have some old school being like the ISI's were amazing 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:15.640 stuff I grew up with. But yeah, I've had to 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:17.640 clean out some that I didn't really like and had 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:19.680 to get rid of. But I still have a lot. 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.080 Yeah, moving into a new place, or you're gonna have 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:24.200 always interested in this with pro golfers and pro athletes, 0:04:24.240 --> 0:04:26.000 or you gonna have an area to kind of display 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.000 stuff you've done throughout your career. Is that on the plan? 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:32.160 Yeah, I don't want to make like our living room 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:33.880 or anything like a. 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:35.720 Trophy room like around the TV. 0:04:36.000 --> 0:04:39.719 Yeah, there'll be a couple of spots for the special trophies. 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.520 Little Ryder cup that we got for the tournament'll be 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:44.560 in there, a couple of my wins will be in there. 0:04:44.600 --> 0:04:46.720 But I'll have a kind of a golf storage room 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:48.919 off the garage that I'll have a lot of my 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:52.119 clubs kind of facing. That was one of the rooms 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.599 I got to design, so I will get to display 0:04:54.600 --> 0:04:56.240 all my clubs and get to be able to see 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.920 them instead of just piled up in the corner. I'll 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:01.599 be able to see him easier and put some stuff 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:05.440 in there. Again, you collect so much golf stuff, pictures 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:07.680 and I mean the. 0:05:07.680 --> 0:05:09.440 Tip around team bags, things like that. 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.599 I mean it's a big part of Yeah, it's a 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:13.480 lot of stuff, and it's you don't want to get 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.240 rid of it, but it's I don't want to have 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.040 it like all around the house. Like again, you kind 0:05:18.040 --> 0:05:20.280 of want to get away from it a little bit 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:22.359 and not have all the golf stuff in your face 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:23.000 all the time. 0:05:23.080 --> 0:05:25.840 When did you feel like you weren't a newbie on 0:05:25.920 --> 0:05:27.640 tour anymore? I know you're in your mid thirties now 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:29.800 and you've turned pro back in twenty eleven. When do 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:32.919 you feel like you felt comfortable as a pro in 0:05:33.000 --> 0:05:34.720 terms of you knew everything when you were traveling. You 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:36.400 knew about the golf courses, you kind of knew where 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.960 to stay, you knew places to eat, and then you 0:05:39.040 --> 0:05:40.719 started to see the young guys pop up, and you 0:05:40.720 --> 0:05:42.919 were thinking yourself, Oh, those guys are much younger than me. 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:44.680 That's like a different generation. Do you know that kind 0:05:44.720 --> 0:05:44.960 of hit? 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:47.600 How I would say recently? I mean I've always. I 0:05:47.640 --> 0:05:49.560 mean coming on tour when I was twenty one, twenty 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.240 two years old, I was always the young guy and 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.240 there was just a few of us out here. But 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:56.400 I'm in my thirteenth year now, and I feel like 0:05:56.440 --> 0:06:00.360 probably the last five six years, I've really gotten call well, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:03.360 just like you said, learn how to travel, where to stay, 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.920 where to eat. It takes a while, and you get 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:10.279 to know the courses you come back to every single 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:13.480 year and love the places you come to. I mean 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.560 it's really cool traveling or spending a week in every 0:06:16.560 --> 0:06:19.520 city out on tour. You feel like you're a local 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:21.160 for a week and you get to know a lot 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:22.760 of the people, a lot of a lot of the 0:06:22.800 --> 0:06:25.279 local spots. So we have a good time, and my 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.800 wife and I spend the whole West Coast swing stand 0:06:28.880 --> 0:06:30.960 on the West Coast. I don't even if I take 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:32.320 a week off and I don't go back home. We 0:06:32.520 --> 0:06:35.240 say out on the West Coast and make some memories 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:37.800 out here. So it's it's been a lot of fun 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.599 and I've enjoyed the ride. I mean, it's crazy to 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.160 think this is my thirteenth Right on tour happens quick. 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:44.680 Right and all of a sudden you're like, oh, and wait, 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.160 they've been doing this for this long. 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.359 Because you get such in a routine and thinking about 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:52.240 this week and think about next week, and every year 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.560 seems to be the exact same of what terments you 0:06:54.600 --> 0:06:58.200 play and where you're traveling, so it flies by really fast. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.800 But uh, making some new memory's. We got a seven 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:03.560 month old little girl and it's been fun doing some 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:06.360 different stuff like find out where daycare is a lot 0:07:06.360 --> 0:07:10.520 of so so the new stuff that's popping up traveling 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:13.000 with a small kid and on on tour is uh 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:15.560 is new and fresh and it's it's uh, it's been 0:07:15.600 --> 0:07:16.440 a lot of fun so far. 0:07:16.680 --> 0:07:19.640 How does the baby travel doing? Doing good on the flights, 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:21.520 like handling that I know that's not easy. We just 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:23.520 we just traveled to Orlando. I've got an almost five 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:25.600 year old, almost two year old, and it was disaster 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:26.280 zone on there. 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:27.320 You're you're in the midst of it. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:28.880 Yeah, I mean you you can like sit you know, 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:30.520 you can sit the baby, you know, and then like 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.960 the car seat on the plane and hopefully get about 0:07:32.960 --> 0:07:33.640 an hour so. 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:35.440 That that was a mistake. We made fine out to 0:07:35.480 --> 0:07:37.920 Hawaii as we just got a seat from my wife 0:07:38.000 --> 0:07:41.440 and I we just got passing her back and forth. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.520 She wasn't comfortable trying to go to sleep feeding her. 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:47.080 So I've learned my lesson. We're gonna get her own 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:49.920 seat now. I'll put the car seat in there. She's 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:52.960 in the cocoa melon now, so we've it'll burn out. 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:54.840 Kind of kind of dabble that in a little bit, 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:57.400 but yeah, I kind of learned on the fly. I 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:00.400 mean it's pretty easy right now that she can still 0:08:00.480 --> 0:08:03.160 and be in her seat, but I know it'll change 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:05.760 soon when she's up walking around and getting into a 0:08:05.760 --> 0:08:06.239 lot of stuff. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:10.240 Yes, Harris, tell us about like twenty twenty, twenty twenty one. 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.640 I mean, you had an amazing year in twenty one. 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:15.240 We could all see signs of that kind of building up. 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:19.120 What was what came together for you either you know, 0:08:19.440 --> 0:08:23.680 training wise, technique wise, equipment wise to build up. He 0:08:23.760 --> 0:08:26.160 won the Travelers in twenty one, obviously, special week of 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.400 the Ryder Cup. What was what were the things that 0:08:28.440 --> 0:08:30.000 all came together around that time? 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:34.080 Yeah, it was unfortunate obviously covid hitting. I felt like 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.400 I was playing some really good golf at the Players 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.160 that year. I think I was in second place. I 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.680 think I shot sixty five at first round, and I 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:43.760 was really feeling good about my game. And then that 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.240 was the head deck he won when he shot sixty 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.360 three and you shot sixty five. Yeah, feeling really good 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:50.920 about that tournament, and then going to bed that night 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.880 and then wake up at eleven pm and they've canceled 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:58.400 the tournament and it's like, well what now. I worked 0:08:58.480 --> 0:09:01.400 really hard during COVID, trained a lot, I practiced a lot, 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:04.080 worked with my coach, Justin Parsons. I used that time 0:09:04.160 --> 0:09:06.640 to really get a lot better at golf, and when 0:09:06.679 --> 0:09:10.520 we didn't start again, I was ready to play. So 0:09:10.520 --> 0:09:12.440 I'm not sure everybody did that. I think a lot 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:16.160 of guys took that time to be with their family 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.600 and hang out and take a little vacation from golf. 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:22.480 But I used that to get better and be ready 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:25.280 to play when the time came, and I came out 0:09:25.679 --> 0:09:28.120 pretty hot. I think I missed the cut the first 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.280 week at Colonial, but then Hilton Head the next week, 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.480 I got started and kept rolling, and yeah, I started 0:09:34.480 --> 0:09:38.199 playing some really good golf. Won the Century Tournament champions 0:09:38.240 --> 0:09:41.000 in a playoff over Waka. It was nice to get 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.400 back in the Winter Circle again, that break of not 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.800 winning since twenty thirteen, you kind of forget how hard 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:49.520 it is to win out here on tour, and you 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.440 got to have kind of all the stars in line, 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.959 and it lined up that week. I was putting really well. 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:56.959 I was playing really well and get in the playoff 0:09:57.240 --> 0:10:00.559 and be able to birdie that number eighteen again to 0:10:00.880 --> 0:10:04.239 when the playoff was amazing. And then the crazy Travelers 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:06.160 eight hole playoff. 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.520 I mean you literally, same year, you have birdie the 0:10:09.559 --> 0:10:11.600 first hole of a playoff to win, and then you 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:14.280 have that eight hole marathon, which like parr after parr 0:10:14.320 --> 0:10:17.240 after para. I mean, those are two totally different situations 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.320 for a player, totally different kind of approaches mentally. I 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:21.559 mean you go out and like you said, you catch 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:23.600 fire and ket make a birdie early and it's winning. 0:10:23.640 --> 0:10:25.840 In the other one, like, how did you handle eight holes? 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:27.040 What was that like? An hour and a half, two 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:29.280 hours of golf extra on the back into the final round. 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.120 Yeah, it was. It was a wild day. I remember 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:36.000 playing the final round with Jason Day. A birdied eighteen 0:10:36.080 --> 0:10:39.360 made like a thirty five footer left or right breaker 0:10:39.760 --> 0:10:42.040 for me. That was either to win the tournament, or 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.160 getting a playoff. It was playing pretty hard coming down 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.120 the stretch. The wind was picking up. Seventeen and eighteen 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.120 were straight down when and pretty hard to access the pens. 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:52.640 So I knew that was a really big putt. And 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:56.160 I remember Jason Date telling me kind of walking up 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.319 to the scoring trailer like, hey, stay calm, be ready, 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.599 be ready for playoff. Go go do your routine, be 0:11:03.960 --> 0:11:05.840 ready for it. And I thought that was really cool 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:08.839 of him to say, and sign my scorecard, went straight 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.880 to the range and kind of warming up like I 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:13.400 was playing in the playoff, and then I heard the 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:16.920 roar Kramer making the birdie on eighteen to get in 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.160 the playoffs. I was, I was ready. I never let 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.360 myself kind of go back down and then come back up. 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:25.480 I kind of stayed at the same intensity the whole time, 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:27.320 and I feel like that that really helped me during 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.439 the playoff. Yeah, it was tiring. My caddie, Eric Clarson, 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:33.800 really kept me in it. My low back was starting 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:36.839 to get pretty sore. So that was a long day. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.280 I mean, walking eighteen holes and then warming up again 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.720 and then playing eight holes. I mean it was grueling, 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:45.840 but you gotta mentally stay in it. I felt like 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:47.800 we battled it out pretty well. We made some really 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:50.720 clutch putts, and I know people on TV were like, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.320 I can't somebody make it very yeah, yeah, just. 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:55.120 It just I mean it was fun to watch, you know, 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:56.560 it was kind of fun to watch, like I mean, 0:11:56.559 --> 0:11:58.400 it was this literal tennis match, you know. It was 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:00.240 like it was like a tie breaker in ten where 0:12:00.240 --> 0:12:03.120 you're seeing like good shots hit and passing shots hit 0:12:03.160 --> 0:12:04.880 and you're kind of waiting for somebody to hit the winner. 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.160 And it kind of I mean, I'd say for most 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.880 average golfers, they see that and they think to themselves, 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:12.120 either you're gonna win or lose this at some point. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:14.199 But to stay in it and continually kind of get 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.640 back to that tea and go all right routine again. 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:18.200 I mean, like you said, Jason Day told you, I 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.280 mean that shows kind of the mental fortitude of pro golfers, 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:21.480 you know. 0:12:21.840 --> 0:12:24.800 And I remember one shot, I kind of flared a 0:12:24.840 --> 0:12:27.600 wedge short right of that pen being too aggressive and 0:12:27.640 --> 0:12:30.240 plugged it in the bunker and it's kind of do 0:12:30.400 --> 0:12:33.120 or die, like I'm trying to hold that out. I 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:34.880 know I have to make bar on that hole. And 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:38.960 I like that I like being in that mental space 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.360 of yeah, like you said, a tennis matches, do or die, 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.320 I know what I have to do. I've got to 0:12:44.320 --> 0:12:46.280 do it, and you got to stay in the moment. 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.760 And I feel like I did that. I stayed calm, 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:53.680 I was very focused and in the moment and helped 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:56.679 it worked out. And the crowd seem to be in 0:12:56.720 --> 0:12:58.920 favor of Kramer, which I liked a lot. I like 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.679 kind of being the underdog in that situation. It seemed 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:04.560 like they wanted him to win, and I felt like 0:13:04.800 --> 0:13:06.600 my Caddie and I Eric were the only two out 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.760 there that wanted us to win, and I kind of 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:10.440 liked I kind of liked that situation. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:14.640 So you went from thirteen to twenty one without a victory. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:16.880 What were some of your close calls along the way 0:13:16.920 --> 0:13:18.439 there during that stretch. 0:13:18.800 --> 0:13:22.080 Yeah, I remember losing the playoff to Jason Day at 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.320 Tory Ponds played really well there. I remember colonial coming 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:28.360 down the stretch, I felt like I was tied for 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.640 the leader, maybe one up, and then Jordan Speed thirty 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.400 the last three or four holes to beat me. So 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.640 there's a lot of close calls and then kind of 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:41.880 went through a little regression in my Game seventeen eighteen. 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.240 Ish learned a lot about myself and about my game. 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.800 When you're coming out on tour, everything's new and fresh 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.880 and fun and seeing everything for the first time. And 0:13:54.520 --> 0:13:56.840 for me, I didn't I knew how to play the game. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:13:59.120 I just didn't know a whole lot about why I 0:13:59.160 --> 0:14:04.200 did certain things and why that made me good. So 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.679 it was easy to fall in the trap of like 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:10.200 playing with guys like Dustin or Rory Phil Tiger was like, 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.320 why can't I do that? Why can't I swing the 0:14:12.320 --> 0:14:16.600 club like that? But everybody does it different, and for 0:14:16.640 --> 0:14:20.400 me it was finding why I do certain things my 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.880 way and I can't do things that other guys can do, 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:26.880 and you can kind of fall in that trap, and 0:14:26.920 --> 0:14:29.200 I did it a little bit of chasing different swings, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.320 had a lot of different swing coaches, and that didn't 0:14:32.360 --> 0:14:36.640 work for me, and luckily found Justin I think in 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:39.560 early twenty nineteen and then things starting to click and 0:14:39.640 --> 0:14:42.320 kind of getting back to how I played the game 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:46.920 and practiced and trained and all that, and it's been great. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.920 Yeah, Harris, You're one of those guys that when we 0:14:51.120 --> 0:14:53.840 design our blueprint Irons, we kind of always have you 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.480 in mind, you know, like our original Blueprint you played 0:14:56.520 --> 0:14:58.040 those when they first came out. Now you're playing the 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:02.120 Blueprint teas and we're designing the product. It's always like, wow, 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.240 we got you know, this is the iron. Harris is 0:15:04.240 --> 0:15:04.680 gonna bring it. 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:05.160 You know. 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.840 It's like Harris and Tony is like the exactly tell 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:11.800 us about your first experience with our original Blueprint and 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:14.280 then uh, and then what has been like transition to 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:15.200 the new Blueprint tea? 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.280 And it was wild seeing those blueprints for the first time, 0:15:18.320 --> 0:15:22.920 because it's unlike anything Ping's ever made. This is incredible, 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.360 I mean, kind of stepping outside their boundaries and making 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.640 a true players club for us. I'll hear that, like 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:31.680 to work the ball that can spin it enough, and 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.160 then especially to keep the low irons down a little bit. 0:15:34.160 --> 0:15:36.440 That's kind of what we struggle with, is you get 0:15:36.440 --> 0:15:38.520 into the wind and and some of these game improvement 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:42.320 irons flights of ball too high, too high, and we 0:15:42.360 --> 0:15:45.240 can't control it as well. So I love I love 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.320 the way they look and hitting them for the first time, 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.920 just the feel is incredible, and and being able to 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:52.400 work the ball both ways, hitting it high, hitting it low. 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:56.760 Everything and it was unlike anything I've ever seen from ping, 0:15:56.800 --> 0:15:59.320 and I was in love with it from the first 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.480 time I hit it. And I think there's an easy 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:06.360 transition going to the blueprint tees. The offset is a 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.680 little bit different, so it took a little bit to 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.360 get used to that, but once I started playing with him, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:13.960 it was a very easy transition, and I love them. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:16.640 So are you with your iron play? Are you mostly 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:19.160 a shot maker in terms of controlling your vertical or 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.240 do you curve it? Do you curve it left or right, 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:26.000 right to left into different pins or crosswind scenarios. 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:29.840 I like to do both depending. I like the pen 0:16:29.920 --> 0:16:31.960 and the wind kind of dictate what shot I'm trying 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:35.240 to hit because I feel like I can hit both. 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.920 And the hardest pin for me is a pin in 0:16:37.960 --> 0:16:40.320 the dead center of the green because I can see 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.400 both shots and it's hard for me to commit to 0:16:42.440 --> 0:16:44.160 one or the other. But if it pens on the right, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.040 I can see a fade in there all day. If 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:47.920 it depends on the left water left, I can see 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.680 a draw in there. So I like to do both, 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:54.640 and like playing with Bubba Wattson. I love watching him 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.280 play because I kind of I don't curve it as 0:16:57.360 --> 0:16:59.160 much as he does, but I see the same shots 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.400 that he does. Love playing with that freedom and just 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.800 kind of letting the scenario dictate what shot I'm trying 0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:08.840 to hit instead of trying to force force a shot 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:10.719 into something that I'm not really comfortable with. 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:13.280 You talk about center pins, what do you typically go with? 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:15.399 If you're saying you're looking at a center pin, no wind, 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:17.080 I mean, are you gonna are you sixty five percent? 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.600 I'm gonna hit a fade or you draw or you'd 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:20.399 hit it straight? What do you do? 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:22.280 I don't really know. It depends on the yardist. Like 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.000 if I'm trying to take them off, I'm trying to 0:17:24.000 --> 0:17:27.280 add a little bit. That's the toughest one because I 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:29.280 can see both, and it's so hard for me to 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.680 just commit to one because I don't know. I'd much 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.520