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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor Protiction of I Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren voc Obama, and today

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Speaker 1: we have an episode for you about Twinkies, specifically Twinkies. Yes,

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Speaker 1: and I am so excited. I am so excited to

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Speaker 1: talk about this. As Lauren and I were discussing before

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Speaker 1: we hit record, this one goes places, yes, because people

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Speaker 1: are intense about Twinkies, like this is one of those

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Speaker 1: brands that has this this pervasive deep cultural love and

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Speaker 1: or confusion surrounding it. It does, and in fact, I

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Speaker 1: mean this is one that I had to really cut

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Speaker 1: my losses at a certain point because I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: we can't talk about all of this. There's so much it.

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Speaker 1: We can't hit everything about donkies because there is just

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Speaker 1: a universe, a mult diverse of Twinkies. It is a

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Speaker 1: genuine American cultural icon. It really is. It really is.

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Speaker 1: And it's fascinating, um how it became to how it

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Speaker 1: became that, and how many people are still I still

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Speaker 1: love them so much. Um. And speaking of I have

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Speaker 1: actually never had one. What how have you avoided it?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if they just never came up, They

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Speaker 1: never came up in my life. I don't think it

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Speaker 1: was ever like I don't want one. It just wasn't

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Speaker 1: an option, and I didn't know to ask for one.

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Speaker 1: Similar like hostess um confections before, and I think they

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Speaker 1: just weren't my favorite. So I was if a Twinkie

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Speaker 1: is involved in that, then I'm alright without it. But

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Speaker 1: a couple of years ago before the pandemic, um our

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Speaker 1: good friend and co worker here Ramsey Um, who has

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Speaker 1: been on the show. He was on our episode about

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Speaker 1: chicken wings. He found out I had never had a Twinkie,

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Speaker 1: and he flipped out and he was like, we have

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Speaker 1: to do a video. We have to do a video.

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Speaker 1: We're you're gonna try it. And then he said, and

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Speaker 1: this is gonna come up. This is a topic that's

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Speaker 1: gonna come up throughout this episode. He was like, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna like do a slow motion of Twinkie decade and

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Speaker 1: we're gonna speed it up and it's gonna be really cool.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, sure, okay. In alas it

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Speaker 1: never came to fruition. He was very excited about it. Yeah, well,

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Speaker 1: I guess I guess we'll still have to I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing stopping us. There is nothing stopping us. Um

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Speaker 1: the perhaps we'll have to be careful with the battery

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Speaker 1: power and we're going to discuss this okay later, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing stopping as in it. We can add twinkies

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Speaker 1: to our our feast are ever growing feasts that were playing? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have had Twinkies, like I wasn't allowed to have,

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Speaker 1: Like my household was like a like a no twinkie household.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't just twinkies, but like other similar snack cakes

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Speaker 1: were not something that my father tolerated, um the existence

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Speaker 1: of and so certainly not in his house. So so

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Speaker 1: I don't think I had a Twinkie until I was

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Speaker 1: in college or maybe after college, and it was like

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Speaker 1: one of my little like I'm a grown up and

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Speaker 1: you can't tell me what to do. Like rebellions that

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Speaker 1: I like went out. How did it feel? Did you

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Speaker 1: feel rebellious? Yeah? Okay, yeah, and yeah it's fine. It's

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Speaker 1: I can't say that I'm super passionate about it. Of

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Speaker 1: the hostess like type snack cakes, oh now, I think

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Speaker 1: the my favorite the Little Debbie oatmeal cream guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're solid, Yeah, interesting texture, interesting can mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of things, but in a good way in this case.

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Speaker 1: UM yeah, I UM, I do think a lot of

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Speaker 1: the twinkie love has to do with nostalgia, which are

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Speaker 1: also going to talk about. I'm sure they're I'm sure

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Speaker 1: if I tried one would be fine. Um. And there's

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Speaker 1: a million ways you can use them apparently, So that's

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Speaker 1: that's something, that's the thing that I could look into.

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Speaker 1: I do want to say this, and it might not

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Speaker 1: make sense right now, but it will make sense later. Um.

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Speaker 1: But one of my best friends growing up and still

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Speaker 1: one of my best friends to day, Katie Uh, on

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Speaker 1: her like sixty birthday, we went to a skating rink

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Speaker 1: and her dad was like a really rough, outdoorsy fellow

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Speaker 1: who always wore these like big leather jackets and warrang

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Speaker 1: he got in the ice they called me twinkled Toes.

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Speaker 1: can't even I would call it star fishing on ice,

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Speaker 1: like your arms are out, your legs are out, and

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Speaker 1: just twinkle toes every time. I love that. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: was fun, it was I remember it. Yeah. Uh okay, alright,

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Speaker 1: filing that one away. It'll make for SIS and I

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Speaker 1: promise it will it will. Yeah. Uh, Well, April six

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Speaker 1: is apparently National Twinkies Day, April six. I mean sure,

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Speaker 1: but I'm always like, what's the secret meaning? No, I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. I didn't to be honest, I didn't look

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Speaker 1: that deeply into it. It could be like a brand

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Speaker 1: anniversary maybe, I'm sure, something like that. I don't know. Um,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, but yeah, we're we're pretty far away from that,

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Speaker 1: just about as far away as you can get. So

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Speaker 1: good on us. Another wind for Saver. All we do

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Speaker 1: is wind. Well. I guess this brings us to our question, Sure, twinkies,

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Speaker 1: what are they? Well? Twinkies are type of industrially produced

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Speaker 1: handheld snack cake that consists of a fluffy yellow cake

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Speaker 1: molded into this like rounded oblong shape with a with

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Speaker 1: a flat base and filled with also fluffy vanilla flavored cream,

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Speaker 1: fake vanilla, fake cream. Yeah, that they are shelf stable. Um.

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Speaker 1: Each twinkie is about four inches long, like an inch

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Speaker 1: and a half wide, that's about ten by four cimeters.

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Speaker 1: And they're just really light and tender and airy and

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Speaker 1: really sweet and and they hit you with that creamy filling.

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Speaker 1: It's just very pleasurable in this completely banal way, like

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Speaker 1: entirely unchallenging. It's the snack cake of least resistance. It

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Speaker 1: it gives me these like two thousand one of space

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Speaker 1: of human science and industry, and it is beautiful in

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Speaker 1: its utter lack of substance. I think you could write

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Speaker 1: a book on this, Lauren. I think that was pretty deep.

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Speaker 1: And you've touched on something. The twinkie represents it. It does. Um. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I also have to share this with you. Um. The

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Speaker 1: official Twinkies page on the Hostess website says, and I'm

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna I'm gonna read this dramatically, but I'm

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Speaker 1: read this. Okay, this is how it sounds when I

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Speaker 1: read it in my head. It says, you don't need

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Speaker 1: a description, this is why you're here. Yes, so good,

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Speaker 1: I love it. Um. Yeah, I mean they they understand,

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Speaker 1: they're they're consumers. I laughed so hard when I read that,

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Speaker 1: the classic flavor um at this at this day and age,

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Speaker 1: But it also comes in uh in a golden cake

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Speaker 1: filled with banana cream, which is more traditional as it

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Speaker 1: kind of studded with red, white and blue sprinkles for summer,

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Speaker 1: for fall, filled with mixed berry cream for I'm not sure,

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Speaker 1: like Christmas and or Valentine's Day it's like December through February,

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Speaker 1: so sure, red festive I don't know, um, or filled

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Speaker 1: with cotton candy cream for spring. In order to make them.

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Speaker 1: I the face that you're making is exactly how I

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Speaker 1: feel about that, yes, And yeah it's not it's not

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Speaker 1: textured like cotton candy. It's not cotton candy. It's a

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Speaker 1: cotton candy flavored cream. And as I think we discussed

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Speaker 1: in our cotton candy episode, the cotton candy flavor is

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Speaker 1: not really a flavor. So anyway, um uh, to make

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you can imagine. Um. The dough is piped

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Speaker 1: is officially. I've read a couple of different numbers. I've

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Speaker 1: read forty five days and sixty five days. I think

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Speaker 1: sixty five might be the new modern upper limit. Um.

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Speaker 1: I think forty five is probably a safer bet for

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Speaker 1: like best use. Um. But right, like microbes can and

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Speaker 1: There's apparently a Twinkie at the George Stephens Academy in

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Speaker 1: Maine that is from nine six and looks just fine, yes,

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Speaker 1: and this has been a prevalent urban legend. Uh. And

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Speaker 1: that's a referenced to at the beginning. And there are

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Speaker 1: at least two, maybe three other points in the history

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like like very Originally when they

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Speaker 1: a Twinkie episode like made jokes about twinkies being eternal.

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Speaker 1: just it's just an InterCollective subconscious it is true. Well,

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Speaker 1: I guess that brings us through then. Uh, Twinkies are

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Speaker 1: which is a lot um. But treats are nice. Treats

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Speaker 1: There is, though, a whole book that was written about

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Speaker 1: the ingredients that go into Twinkies and how they work.

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Speaker 1: It's called Twinkie Deconstructed. It was published in two thousand seven,

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Speaker 1: written by one Um Steve of at Linger, and it

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Speaker 1: sounds it sounds great. It sounds like really at my

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Speaker 1: like what makes them formed together to create this like

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Speaker 1: hypothetically food. I I was I was telling I was

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Speaker 1: we're doing a Twinkie episode. And they were like, I

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Speaker 1: thought you did a food show twinky Bird. Right? Pretty good?

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Speaker 1: Pretty good? Yeah. Yeah, Anyway, we do have some numbers

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Speaker 1: if you want to find them, they are out there. Um. So,

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Speaker 1: almost one point one million Twinkies are consumed every day

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Speaker 1: a year. According to today dot Com, somewhere around one thousand,

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Speaker 1: one twenty three Twinkies are produced per minute. Uh apparently. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Twinkies are sixty eight percent air by volume. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: He consumed a hundred and twenty one Twinkies in those

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Speaker 1: nevertheless potent. The cake itself softens and warms, nearly melting,

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00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: contrasting with the crisp deep fried crust in a buttery

420
00:30:54,680 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: and suave way. I mean, we've got a hand it

421
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 1: to him. I've never wanted to try one, but y'all

422
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: to that's poetry. It is and premating, yeah, with luscious

423
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: vanilla flavor. Um well, speaking of poetry. And two thousand four,

424
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: in order to co brand with DreamWorks for the release

425
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: of Shrek Too, Twinkies were available with an ogre green

426
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: colored filling. Oh my goodness, yeah, my goodness. Uh, but

427
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: this brings us to some financial woes. Yeah. Yeah. In

428
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: two thousand four, Interstate Bakery filed for Chapter eleven bankruptcy.

429
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: And this was for multitude of reasons, but one of

430
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: the most cited is changing health concerns people had. Yeah, sure,

431
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: sure they fewer fewer twinkies. Uh yeah, more what was

432
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 1: the big trend then, like like high protein Yeah, protein powders,

433
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: I think we're big. Yeah, smoothies yeah, um, I love

434
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: those things. But yes, they did a tint for the twinkie.

435
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: A few years later. In two thousand nine, Interstate Bakery

436
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: came out of bankruptcy and changed its name to host

437
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: His Brands. Hosts published a Twinkie cookbook called The Twinkies Cookbook,

438
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: an inventive and unexpected recipe collection from Hostess that included

439
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:30,960
Speaker 1: fifty recipes for things like twinkie sushi. And I have

440
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: to say unexpected recipe collection like Chef's Kiss that is.

441
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: I love that, Yeah, genuinely, it's it's this close to

442
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: not meaning anything at all. Um, which like the Twinkie

443
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: I love it. Ah wow yeah yeah. The Hostess factory

444
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 1: in Toledo, Ohio is eventually turned into Zubo Books, Um,

445
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: but hints of Twinkies remained. In a two thousand seven

446
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: episode of No Reservations, host Anthony Bourdain tried liquefied twinkie

447
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: filling that was still in the building's pipes, and he said,

448
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: there's that Twinkie freshness. Yeah, yeah, yeah, apparently right, It's

449
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: just this like giant bookstore like like distribution situation. It's

450
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: got like a lot of like like like rare books

451
00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 1: and stuff in there and is gigantic. And yeah, just

452
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: this old bakery section just still has these pipes that

453
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 1: are just still filled with like what would become Twinkie

454
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 1: filling if you like like pumped it out and like

455
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: whipped it with air. Apparent I saw it described as

456
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: like like a like a petroleum like like a like

457
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: a like an oil like a black sludge kind of situation.

458
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,239
Speaker 1: I have not seen this episode. I don't think if

459
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I have, I've put it out of my memory. Um yeah,

460
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: but yeah, but but Tony tony eight some because why not?

461
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: Because why not? I mean that feels like the Twinkie two. Yeah,

462
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: because why not? M m. But this wasn't the end

463
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:24,959
Speaker 1: of the financial woes. In early twelve, the company filed

464
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: for Chapter eleven reorganization. A few months later, company workers

465
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: went on strike. In response to that, the company laid

466
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: off eighteen thousand five workers and closed their plans. A

467
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 1: year later, in Hostess brands sold Twinkies and Ding Dong's,

468
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: among other things, to two investment firms. So for eight

469
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: months during no Twinkies were produced and people were not happy.

470
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: They were panicking. I would say, yes, including celebrities, multiple celebrities,

471
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,840
Speaker 1: but Wendy Williams often comes up because she hosted the

472
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: first twinkie eating competition and hopes of saving Yeah. Apparently

473
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: when they did come back, they came back slightly shorter

474
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: and less dense. I love that people know that. I

475
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,839
Speaker 1: read that too, and yeah, I mean if you if

476
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: you're really familiar with the product, yeah, yeah, you know,

477
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: you know. Um well, uh well, like a recipe. UM

478
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:29,080
Speaker 1: kind of facelift was involved with them coming back because Okay,

479
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: like the business side of this story is really pretty wild.

480
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: Um because like like the company that was holding the

481
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: brand had just been incredibly mismanaged. Um, Like they were

482
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: in so much debt, they had these intense pension costs. Um,

483
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: they had this trouble with the union and when it

484
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: liquidated its brands that just went away. UM. So so

485
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 1: they sold off I think the savory portions of things,

486
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: the Savory brands to one investment firm, and then this

487
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: other firm called Apollo Global bought up a bunch of

488
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: the snack cake brands and reopened under the Hostess name.

489
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: Like no one even bid against them when they made

490
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: their offer. Um. So they spent like like four hundred

491
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 1: million buying the brands, and then another few hundred million

492
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: updating the factories and the recipes and the distribution because apparently,

493
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 1: like it was really clunky and outdated and uh and

494
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: part of the problem was that Twinkies weren't shelf stable enough.

495
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: They were only shelf stable for like a recommended twenty

496
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: five days at this point. And so they like they

497
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,840
Speaker 1: like more than doubled that um uh and and and

498
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:48,120
Speaker 1: retooled the distribution um and Yeah, it was like immediately

499
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: extremely successful. People were so happy to see these brands

500
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,320
Speaker 1: back on store shelves. Um and they are raking in

501
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 1: absolute billions. Wow. I mean, if I didn't know any better,

502
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 1: I haven't say that was a ploy, but I know

503
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: it wasn't. No, not that the company was genuinely in

504
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: so much trouble a terrifying amount. Like I this Forbes

505
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: article that I was reading is like, how did they

506
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 1: even get in that much trouble? We don't know it's impressive.

507
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: It's kind of impressive. Um at any rate. Okay, during

508
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: the early pandemic, a guy by the name of Colin

509
00:37:32,560 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: Parrington apparently an actual name Parrington. I love this, Okay,

510
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:42,240
Speaker 1: it sounds like something from being Puppycats, so cool. Um. Okay.

511
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 1: He opened up this box of Twinkies that he had

512
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:48,720
Speaker 1: purchased back in when there were those fears of Twinkies

513
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 1: going away forever, and because you know, he was like

514
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: out of snacks and he you know, he was like,

515
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: oh man, I bought those twinkies. I wonder how they're doing. Um.

516
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: They were not still good, uh, though interestingly different cakes

517
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: in there, like little individual single rappers showed all kinds

518
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: of different levels of mold growth and desiccation. Like some

519
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: looked fine but tasted awful. He did try them. Um Uh.

520
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: Some were like kind of shrunken and had some like

521
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: dark spotting, sort of like when a banana goes bad. Um,

522
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: and some were shriveled and gray like a like like

523
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 1: and like in like vacuum sucked in like a like

524
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: a weird moral mushroom kind of situation. So Mr Parrington

525
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 1: sent the twinkies to researchers to like see what was

526
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: growing on them um, and they honestly had nothing like

527
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: super interesting to report. They were like, oh, yeah, that's

528
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: pretty common mold. Um, but they couldn't get the really

529
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 1: mummified one to to grow uh anything else, so they

530
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: don't Yeah, they like couldn't figure out what kind of

531
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,279
Speaker 1: mold it was because they couldn't get a sample to

532
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,720
Speaker 1: to spore UM. And interestingly, UM, when they drilled into

533
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: that mummified one, um, they they used they used a tool,

534
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: they used a tool um that is normally used to

535
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: to take samples of bone marrow. Oh my goodness. And

536
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 1: and they in fact found that it still had a

537
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: liquid cream filling inside. Whoa, I know, right, Okay, get

538
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: a little I don't know, they're a little nervous. I

539
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: feel like I'm going to be playing a zombie video

540
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: game and I'm gonna get to the end. It's gonna

541
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:51,600
Speaker 1: be like this twinkie. Yeah. Oh gosh, Well, speaking of zombies. Yeah,

542
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: we actually yes, speaking actually actually yes, we do have

543
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: a few more cultural notes that we wanted to touch on.

544
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 1: And this is just a few, because there are so many, um,

545
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: but just a few. A few of the greatest hits

546
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: of twinkies in her pop culture. Sure. Um so for one,

547
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: Archie Bunker got a twinkie every day in his lunch

548
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 1: on All in the Family. In the nine movie Greece,

549
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: the Young Women discussed twinkies and wine. The original Ghostbusters,

550
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 1: Egon uses a twinkie to basically describe how bad things

551
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:34,360
Speaker 1: are due to ghost stuff. Yeah, yeah, um and this

552
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:36,760
Speaker 1: is whenever I think about twinkies, I still think about

553
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: this line where, uh, I think Winston is like, tell

554
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: him about the twinkie, and Bankman is like, what about

555
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 1: the twinkie? Um, yes, but yeah. The line from Egan is,

556
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: let's say this twinkie represents the normal amount of psychokinetic

557
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: energy in the New York area. According to this morning sample,

558
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: it would be a twinkie thirty five ft long, weighing

559
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: approximately six pounds. And going off of this, my very

560
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:11,120
Speaker 1: favorite food blogger, j Kenji Lopez Ault dutifully calculated how

561
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:14,839
Speaker 1: much an actual thirty five ft long Twinkie would weigh,

562
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 1: and he came up with more like fifty three tons.

563
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: Yeah wow, Yeah, a six hundred pound twinky would only

564
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: be about six ft long, according to him, So like

565
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: twinky the kids sized. Uh. Yeah, it's a it's a

566
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: genuinely beautiful write up that he did. He went deep.

567
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 1: He went very deep, y'all. Um. He also did some

568
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:48,240
Speaker 1: like brief calculations about how, um, how a six hundred

569
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 1: pound twinkie could possibly support its own weight. Um it

570
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: could not under the gravity structure of our current earth. Um.

571
00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: So like he wrote, you know, like like calculation. It

572
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: is very twinkie in space, like it's a whole it

573
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 1: is a whole, glorious thing doing the good work. Yeah,

574
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:13,400
Speaker 1: the good work, all right, excellent um in Twinkies were

575
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:17,799
Speaker 1: mentioned in die Hard. Uh. On The Simpsons, a poo

576
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:21,080
Speaker 1: once said you cannot hurt the twinkie when the twinkie

577
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 1: question reformed itself, right, yeah, and that was a twinkie

578
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 1: appeared in the two thousand and eight film Wall E

579
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: when a cockroach used it as like a bed. Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

580
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 1: because because their eternal so right, it's their journal. I

581
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 1: have only seen that movie once because it made me

582
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 1: so sad. I don't remember. It's not like particularly sad.

583
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 1: I don't know something about it. So I was kind

584
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: of sad. I mean it is, but there it wasn't

585
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: like oh good, sobbing. But I think the whole feeling

586
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,839
Speaker 1: of it just hurt my heart. I feel you. It's

587
00:42:56,880 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 1: a rough film. It it really goes there. It really does.

588
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 1: It really does. And then yes, zombies. The two thousand

589
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 1: nine film Zombie Lands included a whole plot where Woody

590
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: Harrelson's character was absolutely in love with twinkies. He was

591
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 1: always looking for twinkies, checking the hostess Chucks like I

592
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:19,919
Speaker 1: gotta get these twinkies. Um. But the actual actor, Woody

593
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: Harrelson does not eat twinkies because he is vegan. So

594
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,919
Speaker 1: I think they used you can find the recipe they used.

595
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: It was like, um, but yeah they used they made

596
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: a vegan twinkie for the production. Um. And so it's

597
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 1: been a minute since I've seen this movie, but I

598
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: do think the whole thing wasn't part in reference to

599
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: the urban legend that yet they never go bad, they

600
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: are internal. Um. But yeah, a big piece of that film,

601
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we went blazes. I do. I do

602
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: love these brand episodes. They get so weird they do.

603
00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: You never know where they're gonna go. Now, Uh, well,

604
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: well that that is I think the places that we

605
00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: are going to go about the Twinkie four now four now,

606
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,680
Speaker 1: But we do have some listener email for you, and

607
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 1: we'll get into that after one more quick break for

608
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes,

609
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with that was good. We

610
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: got cut off at the same point. At least that's

611
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: what it sounded like I want. Sometimes we even impressed

612
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: me listener. Oh yes, our hardest critic, Oh yes, I'm

613
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: always like chucked that one up to a wind um,

614
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 1: Melissa wrote. I just finished the Jello episode and it

615
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,800
Speaker 1: made me think of one of my stranger experiences in

616
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: med school. Our program had an outreach program to local

617
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: schools providing health education. I had volunteered for Brain Day

618
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: because I liked neurology and my friend was coordinating it.

619
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm still not totally clear what we were trying to accomplish,

620
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: besides convincing a bunch of fifth graders that medicine and

621
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: neurology especially was cool for us. That meant demonstrating lesser

622
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,759
Speaker 1: known reflexes on various kids. We also had access to

623
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 1: an anatomically correct silicon brain mold that our medical school owned.

624
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: For some reason, my friend was very stoked about this

625
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 1: and used it to make blue jello brains the closest

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Speaker 1: now know that ten year olds are pretty nonchalant about

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't it be fantastic if somebody listening to this went

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Speaker 1: Making connections okay, uh Matt wrote just a couple of

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Speaker 1: What does a Dollek say when he salts his food? Salinate?

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Speaker 1: All right? What did the Dalek vampires say? Exanguine eate? Yes? Yes?

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Speaker 1: And and then what does a Dalek do to remove

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Speaker 1: dead skin? Exfoliate? Eight? Yeah? All pretty good? All pretty good? Uh,

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Speaker 1: Matt continues. Anyway, for whatever it's worth, Tennant is my

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Speaker 1: going on right now? Oh? Yeah, I'm so sorry. I'm

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Speaker 1: mean excellent. Never apolicize for that, Lauren. I won't hear it.

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Speaker 1: I won't stand for it. It's fantastic. Well, thank you

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Speaker 1: Annie again, our very harshest critic, so tough on each other.

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