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Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus

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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: you by Bally bet Now live in Ohio on eight

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Speaker 1: fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 2: In this town, this helmet embodies our pride. It's a

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Speaker 2: symbol that's a perfect fit for the birthplace of football.

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Speaker 3: It's who we are.

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Speaker 2: Everybody else may not get it, and that's okay, but

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Speaker 2: here it's simple. We put on our helmets and we

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Speaker 2: go work. And this year, when it's time to go

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Speaker 2: back on the field and the rest of the league

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Speaker 2: looks us in the eyes, they'll see something.

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Speaker 4: From you, something that harkens to the paths but only

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Speaker 4: looks for it. A new era of Brown's football.

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Speaker 5: Rick Charity's.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Bow Bishop and Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 6: Oh baby, let's do it live on a First Friday

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Speaker 6: miracle and look at you in the new lid.

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Speaker 5: Oh kids, I'll tell you now what for my peripherals.

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Speaker 5: The white is so nice, it's so good. I'm feeling great.

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Speaker 5: It's a beautiful thing. Like look at the gloss here

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Speaker 5: A little bits for the people.

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Speaker 6: We had a you know, obviously you had a feeling

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Speaker 6: in various hints, US hints, various hints.

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Speaker 5: If you scoured the internet, you were well aware this

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Speaker 5: was coming. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: I think the one thing I would say though, that

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Speaker 6: you don't that I didn't give proper thought to because

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Speaker 6: we've worn this hat. You know, we've worn this space

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Speaker 6: mask part of our identity.

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Speaker 5: No.

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Speaker 6: No, but even last.

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Speaker 5: Year, yeah, we were in a special a few like

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Speaker 5: off one offer. Yeah. Maybe.

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Speaker 6: But one thing that I didn't give enough credit to

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Speaker 6: until now, especially now that I see it here, is

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Speaker 6: that the color is back and the gloss is back.

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Speaker 6: So that's that's the other thing that is really noteworthy

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Speaker 6: from the pre his helmet. No, do we have the other?

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Speaker 6: Do we have one of our other ones in there?

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Speaker 6: Just for a juxtaposition? Do we have the one that

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Speaker 6: we had signed? Or lucky because we have the one

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Speaker 6: that we had signed by everybody? Unless give a use

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Speaker 6: it in a raffle.

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Speaker 5: Probably didn't. I like that I do this chin strap.

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Speaker 6: But is it here the one that we have signed

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Speaker 6: by everybody? Oh, it's downstairs, have griff to it. Well,

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Speaker 6: you're running you're the head Hod Show. I don't need

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Speaker 6: you running around that. We got two interns in there,

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Speaker 6: two yeah, but I just think it was if you

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Speaker 6: see them next to each other, then you then you

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Speaker 6: then it makes it's that's it. That's beautiful. It's a

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Speaker 6: beautiful lid.

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Speaker 5: It's it is a nice lid. He likes it.

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Speaker 6: He's gone. Okay, let me ask you. Why would the

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Speaker 6: CBD helmet that was autographed by everybody who came on

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Speaker 6: the show in a two year periodular group of people? Yes,

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Speaker 6: uh yeah, I mean odell downstairs? Why would that be downstairs?

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Speaker 5: Question for Gibbet By the way, we don't. Are you

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Speaker 5: concerned we're going to need update that?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, get that. Well, they're doing it on

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Speaker 6: the building out front. I was thinking of this when

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Speaker 6: I i'd like to get this. I to this guy

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Speaker 6: on this morning and yesterday's news. Brother, it's yesterday's news.

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Speaker 5: So you look great in that vest. Thank you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, mister Pravitz. Yeah, did some great work.

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Speaker 5: In mind yesterday yours today.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, I think it's great. And we have JW. Johnson.

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Speaker 6: He's gonna be in here with us in about ten minutes, right,

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Speaker 6: we'll have him on, so we'll ask him about the

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Speaker 6: process and all of that. His quote in the in

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Speaker 6: the release today We're excited to honor our storied history.

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Speaker 6: To the return of the White Face Mask. We continue

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Speaker 6: to write the next chapter of Brown's history, reflect on

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Speaker 6: different eras, just as the Cardiac Kids, in return of

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Speaker 6: the franchise that led us to this place in time.

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Speaker 6: It's funny when I think of the white helmet and

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Speaker 6: the white face mask, rather I think of Cozar met

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Speaker 6: cough Metcalfe. That's Clay Matthews. There was a Clay Matthews

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Speaker 6: thing on the wall here right here that was went

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Speaker 6: across the entire wall of like just him up close.

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Speaker 6: And that's what I think of is is that in

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Speaker 6: the mid to late eighties, is the one that jumps out.

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Speaker 5: To me the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 6: I'm so confused why this helmet. It feels like it

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Speaker 6: should be under lock and key was downstairs. Think about

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Speaker 6: what in a box? Think about what one of a

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Speaker 6: kind helmet that is. Now do you think that Gibbet

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Speaker 6: was trying to get it resurfaced? And then is he

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Speaker 6: trying to eliminate the helmet?

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Speaker 5: We'll fight, Let's ask him. How about this next level

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Speaker 5: of Gibbe? Now he's highlighting things.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I like it, all right?

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Speaker 5: So this is.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the one. All right, there you go. Gibbe, Gibbe,

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Speaker 6: Why did this send up downstairs? What were you doing

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Speaker 6: of the okay sound a little winded? Yeah, well he's

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Speaker 6: got That's why you had. I wanted your.

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Speaker 3: Minions to it.

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Speaker 6: I don't want you to do it. You hustled some water.

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Speaker 5: I'm not that gassed. All right?

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Speaker 6: So you got kareem On here shoe show Odell Jarvis.

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Speaker 5: This is my side ed Buttonio the Hof the Hoff.

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Speaker 5: Damarius Randall, Yeah, there's Damarius Randall. There's one other one,

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Speaker 5: Sheldon Rankins. Is that ninety eight Sheldon Richardson Richardson.

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Speaker 6: Yes, big shell, Yeah, Sheldon who came in here in

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Speaker 6: a Montclair orange puffer hoodie?

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Speaker 5: Is that a mac Wilson on there?

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Speaker 6: It is a mac Wilson.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we get paid.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 6: Did Freddy sign this? I thought we had Freddy sign it?

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Speaker 5: Also? Notice look on here, look at the stripe here?

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, no no carbon, no carbon. The biggest I mean,

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Speaker 6: if you can, you think you can get that off

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Speaker 6: amount of strain getting it on.

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Speaker 7: It gives me when Dwight got that pumpkin stuck on

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Speaker 7: his head in the office. Fives, that's what it looks

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Speaker 7: like from over here. When what when Dwight got that

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Speaker 5: No, no, it's the whole episode. That's what it looks

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Speaker 5: like from back here. We're good, though, now we're good. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: So now you see for those of you on the stream,

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Speaker 6: now you see when you see him right next to

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Speaker 6: each other, you see the enormous difference.

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Speaker 5: It's it's and this is a breathtaking helmet. Yes, it

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Speaker 5: is an enormous difference. The orange, the pop of the orange,

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Speaker 5: the white, which accentuates the orange, in my opinion, also

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Speaker 5: ties nicely with the white stripe in the middle.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: The lack of carbon fiber is good. Now, this is

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Speaker 5: the color that you and I were talking like. It

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Speaker 5: would need to be this dark if you went with

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Speaker 5: a brown lid.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's almost black.

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Speaker 5: It's hard for me to believe that this.

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Speaker 6: One really almost looks black with a carbon fiber. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: but yeah, it's would have to be that dark. Somebody

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Speaker 6: put one up for do you see a cream? Somebody

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Speaker 6: had a cream? Well, you know, I'd be a big

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Speaker 6: fan of a cream, but great, we love a cream,

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Speaker 6: love a cream. Yeah, yeah, I think someone put one

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Speaker 6: up with brown. It was brown with like orange numbers

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Speaker 5: Might that would just go brown? No, and then have

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Speaker 5: the stripe be orange and white with a white face mask.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I think that'd be the only way you can.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't, I don't. I'm not thinking we should.

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Speaker 6: Cream might be the better way to do it.

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Speaker 5: Cream to get it. And I think you could have

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you could do a very light cream version of

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Speaker 6: I think that would work. It would look very vintage. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: it would happen. We put up on like it was

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Speaker 6: made out of polyester. I like it. The they put

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Speaker 6: up our logo history through the years. It's amazing, like

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Speaker 6: how many incarnations of brand have been attempted. There's a

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Speaker 5: The years, last four and then there's and there's this,

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Speaker 6: But even that, even the helmet's different because there's the

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Speaker 6: one that's back from like the seventies, which is more

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Speaker 6: a side helmet, and then there's Brownie way back, way back.

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Speaker 6: We have two different Brownies, and I did not recall

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Speaker 6: there were two different brown It's one of the coolest

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Speaker 6: brands in all of sports, one of the most beloved

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Speaker 6: brands in all of sports. It really is when you

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Speaker 6: think about it. When you think about it, named it,

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Speaker 6: We're named after Guy and and the various things that

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Speaker 6: have been done. But this is it. This is beautiful.

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Speaker 6: That thing is gonna pop.

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Speaker 3: Baby.

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Speaker 6: So we didn't have this. We didn't have the shiny

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Speaker 6: this year, did we were? We wore this this that

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Now we have the the gloss.

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Speaker 6: Now we have the gloss and then you've got the

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Speaker 6: white face mask. I'm in.

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Speaker 5: I'm in.

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Speaker 6: It is beautiful. Cool to see Nick in the video too, Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Looking good. Especially amid the reports yesterday, was like it

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Speaker 5: feels like, you know, wild speculation. Jeez, I miss is

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Speaker 5: that what I missed? Just but it's unfounded speculation.

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Speaker 6: This is we We kind of talked about this a

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Speaker 6: little bit yesterday. When you don't have when you don't

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Speaker 6: have coaching change, you know, front office change, you don't

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Speaker 6: have a first round pick, free agencies wrapped up by

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Speaker 6: the second week of March, it's just dead.

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Speaker 5: And so there is this team. We've talked about it.

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Speaker 5: It's not looking for a savior and it's not. This

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Speaker 5: team is not let's get hyped up. We know what

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Speaker 5: its promise? Yeah? Simple, easy, easy, very simple in my mind. Yes.

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Speaker 6: But also when you are a let's face it, our

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Speaker 6: fan base craves content and craves information about this team

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Speaker 6: because there is as passionate as any in sport, and

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Speaker 6: and you have people responsible for content that have they

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Speaker 6: have to write something. So this is the way that

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Speaker 6: it goes. And this is how I mean. It's interesting,

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Speaker 6: like how many different ways Deshawn's press conferences day was

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Speaker 6: interpreted across the Beat and US and we had you

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Speaker 6: had a text and I was like, well, I didn't

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Speaker 6: seem like that to me, And then we we had

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Speaker 6: people putting stuff on social in terms of the tone

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Speaker 6: of that, and that didn't it's not what I heard. So,

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Speaker 6: but this is what happens when you don't have actual things.

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Speaker 6: When you're not talking about a potential first round pick,

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Speaker 6: we're not talking about, hey, we gotta get that. We

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Speaker 6: got to work a trade here to get this X position.

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Speaker 6: When you don't have that, this is what happens.

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Speaker 5: It means you're good.

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Speaker 5: Got to make sure everybody else has your marks as well.

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Speaker 6: all right? JW coming in? Is that the plan?

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Speaker 9: If we're fired up, thanks for having me. First of all,

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Speaker 5: It's a treat. Yeah, it's a treat.

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Speaker 6: When does a kernel of a thought about making a

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Speaker 5: We and maybe there's a way to finagle like a

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Speaker 6: Some There are plenty around though. How do you balance?

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Speaker 9: but we did, and you know, it took us a

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Speaker 9: handful of years. You know, obviously there's a rule they

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Speaker 9: have to have a five year window to be able

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Speaker 9: to do something different. So that's when we relaunched the

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Speaker 9: new uniforms in twenty fifteen, which I think we've been

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Speaker 9: a huge success.

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Speaker 10: You know, our fans love.

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Speaker 9: I'm sitting here looking at the great Nick Chubb across

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Speaker 9: the studio here and it's just fantastic. So yeah, I

449
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Speaker 9: mean I think we you know, with the new dog logo,

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Speaker 9: I mean that's something we pushed the limits with a

451
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Speaker 9: little bit last year and kind of the Brownie and

452
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Speaker 9: getting the running version of him and seeing some different stuff.

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Speaker 9: So we want to stay to our roots. We kind

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Speaker 9: of want to try to tinker as much as we

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Speaker 9: can to modernize, but it's really hard to do when

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Speaker 9: your logo is a helmet, and you know, it's pretty simple.

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Speaker 9: And like I've said before, if you were living in

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Speaker 9: a cave for I don't know however long and someone.

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Speaker 10: Said he brought out all the logos, So what sport

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Speaker 10: is this?

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Speaker 9: They gravitate to us and say, well, that's football because

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Speaker 9: we have a helmet and that's what we're all about.

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Speaker 10: We're all about football here at Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: I love it. I love that we are all about football.

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Speaker 5: Speaking of guys, the boys are back in town. How

466
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Speaker 5: nice is it having everybody back together?

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Speaker 10: It's great.

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Speaker 9: I mean, obviously the building is always busy and we're

469
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Speaker 9: jumping here, but when the guys are here at definitely

470
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Speaker 9: a nice new level of energy.

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Speaker 10: You know, first day of.

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Speaker 9: School the other day, we had a really good turnout.

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Speaker 9: All the quarterbacks were here, which is great to see.

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Speaker 9: You know, Deshaun's doing well and doing everything he can

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Speaker 9: to rehab and we're excited to get him back, you know,

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Speaker 9: seeing Nick and that group and that guy I'm telling you,

477
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Speaker 9: I mean, he's in here every day every morning, grinding

478
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Speaker 9: and doing everything he can to get ready.

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Speaker 10: So I do not doubt Nick Chubb.

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Speaker 9: But yes, it was great to see everybody and you know,

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Speaker 9: new coaching staff in certain ways.

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Speaker 10: So just fired up.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 9: Phase one is a nice little tease, but as we

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Speaker 9: keep going and get into OTA's it'll be really exciting.

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Speaker 6: We always say, like around here, where our weather is,

487
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Speaker 6: what our weather is, we don't ever want to speak

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Speaker 6: up summer ever. But at the same time, with this team,

489
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Speaker 6: it's it's pretty fully formed and it's like, you know,

490
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Speaker 6: if it's be nice if you just like keep summer,

491
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Speaker 6: but at the same time, like I just want you

492
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Speaker 6: want to get to September, Like you just want to

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Speaker 6: see this team play. Because we were talking with with

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Speaker 6: draft now that we're too through free agency, we're not

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Speaker 6: really waiting on anything. We kind of have everything. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we just need some guys to get healthy with you're

497
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Speaker 6: going through a regular process. Believe that they will. We

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Speaker 6: just want to see this team play, and that's kind

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Speaker 6: of where we are.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, obviously we're we're excited about the draft

501
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Speaker 9: coming up to I think Andrew those guys have done

502
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Speaker 9: a great job building this team and you know, through

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Speaker 9: the draft through free agency and have really put a

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Speaker 9: nice and meld of young talent and veterans together. And

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Speaker 9: so I think there they'll continue to scour the mid

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Speaker 9: rounds here in the next gosh, next week, a week

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Speaker 9: from tomorrow.

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Speaker 5: I guess we're m j Emmerson.

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Speaker 6: Everybody else.

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Speaker 9: We're getting a steal like j Oka a couple of

511
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Speaker 9: years ago. So so yeah, I mean, I think the

512
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Speaker 9: guys are ready to go, and you know, Thursday will

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Speaker 9: be just sitting around and wait and see what happens.

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Speaker 9: And then you know, Friday, Saturday will it'll It'll be

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Speaker 9: a lot of.

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Speaker 10: Fun for us. So I'm excited to add some new

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Speaker 10: new players for the roster.

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Speaker 5: When you think of and we were talking about this

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Speaker 5: the other day, at least, you know, for me going

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Speaker 5: into season number twelve, this time of year and the

521
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Speaker 5: draft was for many cases, it was okay, we need

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Speaker 5: to find a savior. That's not where we are. Sure

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Speaker 5: then it was okay, we need to find a starter

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Speaker 5: at this position, this position, this position, this position, that's

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Speaker 5: not where we are. I don't know that there are

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Speaker 5: really any necessarily starting jobs open. There could be some

527
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Speaker 5: competitions some places, but this team is forman. I would

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Speaker 5: imagine it gives some freedom to find the best players,

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Speaker 5: but also it's probably a draft that's going to have

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Speaker 5: maybe some succession planning in mind as well as immediate impact,

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Speaker 5: which is a neat kind of strategy layer to go

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Speaker 5: into this with.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, look, I mean I think we you know, in

534
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Speaker 9: years past, it was like, oh, we got to listen.

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Speaker 9: We're fortunate to get Jed Wills and at that point

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Speaker 9: in time we needed to let a tackle it. He

537
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Speaker 9: had to come in and play right away, and you

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Speaker 9: wish you could have had him, you know, maybe you

539
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Speaker 9: sit back and learn a little bit. But he was

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Speaker 9: thrown right in the fire and Jed said, a nice job,

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Speaker 9: and he's continued to grow. We're excited to get him

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Speaker 9: back and healthy. But yeah, no, it's it's a nice

543
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Speaker 9: position to be and where you're you're not feeling for

544
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Speaker 9: positions of need. You're looking at potentially best player available.

545
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Speaker 9: There may be some position of need stuff, but yeah,

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Speaker 9: it's a nice that we're not having the draft bear

547
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Speaker 9: our super Bowl and hopefully the super Bowl happen here

548
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Speaker 9: for us in February.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, super Bowl is a super Bowl, That's true.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, are you surprised that people continue to trade with

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Speaker 5: Andrew Berry sometimes, Like to me, it would be at

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Speaker 5: some point it'd be like, yeah, not interested in trading

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Speaker 5: with you. You know, the track record has been so good,

555
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Speaker 5: and now an opportunity to maybe have another very good

556
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Speaker 5: value in Jerry Judy, and clearly sure the organization believes

557
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Speaker 5: in him with that contract extension that he got.

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Speaker 9: Like Andrew and those guys, I mean they're that whole group.

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Speaker 9: They scour, they look everywhere they can. It get very creative.

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Speaker 9: They're very patient, which is good. I mean, I think

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Speaker 9: sometimes you see people do something very quickly and let

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Speaker 9: things happen and come to you, and then he's done

563
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Speaker 9: a great job kind of maintaining that patience. And I

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Speaker 9: would say same thing with the draft, Like we're in

565
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Speaker 9: a position where, look, if there's somebody available at you know,

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Speaker 9: fifty four, great take them. If not, things don't gard away,

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Speaker 9: we may be able to acquire another fourth later on

568
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Speaker 9: the draft. So there's a lot of good things I

569
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Speaker 9: don't can't injure out, and the guys on kind of

570
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Speaker 9: doing some maneuvering over the next couple of days, so

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Speaker 9: it'll be fun.

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Speaker 6: He's the best at being nimble white. He's always ready

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Speaker 6: to go. Hey, congratulations on this.

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Speaker 5: This is awesome.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we're very excited. And thanks for the

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Speaker 9: fans for you know, providing their feedback. And you listen.

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Speaker 9: We do listen to you guys, sometimes sometimes good, sometimes bad.

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Speaker 9: If we try to listen incorporate your thoughts. This is

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Speaker 9: something that I thought was and the rest of the

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Speaker 9: family also said, listen, we think this is a good move.

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Speaker 9: It'll look great, let's look good on TV. I think

582
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Speaker 9: the guys were excited. We're we're just happy to have

583
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Speaker 9: it done. And and again I'm to your point. I

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Speaker 9: can't wait till we have our first game here in

585
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Speaker 9: September and let's get rolling.

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Speaker 6: I think the brown's really hard. We got to make

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Speaker 6: our It made a pitch, made a solid pitch. I

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Speaker 6: wonder if you could do it. I wonder if you

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Speaker 6: could do it with a with the brown home Jersey.

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Speaker 5: I'd have to see it. You kind of think it

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Speaker 5: needs to be.

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Speaker 6: You think it's gotta be like all cream. Oklahoma did it.

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Speaker 6: I know who did it. I know that's why that's

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Speaker 6: in my head.

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Speaker 5: Oklahoma did a creamy.

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Speaker 6: Because their colors, their official colors are crimson and cream.

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Speaker 6: And they did it when right there.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, with a gray face mask and they had the

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Speaker 6: giant ou.

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Speaker 5: On it, and they went with a white.

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Speaker 6: I think it's this set. Yeah, I think that's it.

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Speaker 6: I think that's the set.

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Speaker 5: So you could do like a cream with like a

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Speaker 5: brown shoulder like that or an orange shoulder.

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Speaker 6: Well, you could just keep our striping, keep our striping,

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Speaker 6: keep our striping. I can't tell if the jersey's cream.

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Speaker 6: It looks like it is like it, yeah, but I

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Speaker 6: think it's it's almost more of an off white as

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Speaker 6: like a mix of cream. It's not like as creamy

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Speaker 6: as like those starters jackets. We have the homage the Yeah,

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Speaker 6: not not quite that, but that's a good look. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: that's a solid look. And the orange would really as

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Speaker 6: it does on that jacket, it.

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Speaker 5: Would pop pop big lee and brown looks good on

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Speaker 5: that with that, Yeah as a backdrop. Yeah, for sure, Yeah,

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Speaker 5: I think there we go.

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Speaker 6: For sure. It's a balance though, it is because you

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Speaker 6: have a historic brand and everything was beautiful and it's

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Speaker 6: all perfect right now, you look exactly how the Cleveland

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Speaker 6: Browns would look.

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Speaker 5: Look. I think sometimes when you have and you know

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Speaker 5: he had he had said it I think everybody at

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Speaker 5: this point it's safe to say, you know that two thousand.

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Speaker 5: Was that twenty fifteen that we switched the uniforms.

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Speaker 6: Forten I don't know you were, you were the presenting,

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Speaker 6: you were on stage. I think it was fourteen thirteen

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Speaker 6: into fifteen.

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Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure that was the case.

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Speaker 5: Boy, that was night.

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Speaker 6: Well by the time I got on it. By the

650
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Speaker 6: time I got here, they were already trying to We

651
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Speaker 6: had petitioned the league to wear the color rush as

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Speaker 6: like our new primary home, right, because we were just

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Speaker 6: trying to get out of them.

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Speaker 5: So that would have been after eighteen going into nineteen.

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Speaker 6: Well, then eighteen we wore the color rush is a

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Speaker 6: lot yep.

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Speaker 5: Nine was our first season in the new uniforms. Was

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Speaker 5: twenty right?

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Speaker 3: Was it COVID or that?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Or was it nineteen?

662
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 5: I don't know.

663
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 6: I think you might have been nineteen the point it

664
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 6: was nineteen because we remember, you know it was twenty

665
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 6: because you delivered we got jerseys and you delivered it

666
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 6: to my house because we were in COVID going from home.

667
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 5: That's right.

668
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 6: So that was twenty twenty. Yeah, it was the new uniforms.

669
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 6: So we had two years in nineteen we wore the

670
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 6: uh the color rushes as a primary home.

671
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: We wore them a lot. Yeah, So, yep, it was

672
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty, so that means it was going into the

673
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 5: fifteen season that they made you but sometimes. Yeah, while

674
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 5: that was a misstep, and I think everybody knows that

675
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 5: was a misstep, it almost made going back to the

676
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 5: original better than it would have been had it just

677
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: always stayed that way.

678
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 6: You wouldn't have appreciated appreciated it if it wasn't taken.

679
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 5: Right, right, and unfortunately for Browns fans with a lot

680
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: of taken.

681
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, but it's like, I mean, look look at the

682
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 6: decisions that Look what's gonna be unveiled here in the

683
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 6: next week, right, So, yeah, the Jets went back to

684
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,719
Speaker 6: a New York sack exchange. They did not go back

685
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 6: to name it It because they were in that most recently.

686
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 6: But they go back to sack Exchange. That's viewed as

687
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 6: a universal hit.

688
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 5: I don't know.

689
00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:20,960
Speaker 6: I wonder if Jets fans like those more than the Nameths.

690
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 6: I wonder what one they like they prefer, because they

691
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 6: can have two that they could actually pull from. You

692
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 6: have the bucks that have gone back to a cream

693
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 6: sickle as a third, and you're seeing that more and more.

694
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,239
Speaker 6: That sounds like what Denver's gonna do. Denver's gonna have,

695
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 6: Like the l Ways is like they're one off, yeah,

696
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 6: but it's not gonna be their main.

697
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 5: It's the Falcons uniform. Their best uniform is their one.

698
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 6: On correct and the same would be true in Denver.

699
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 6: So then how do you balance Hey, here's some new uniforms,

700
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:46,600
Speaker 6: but really the one we know you like the most,

701
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,479
Speaker 6: we're gonna wear a couple of times a year versus

702
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:50,719
Speaker 6: the majority of the times a year.

703
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 5: And you get people saying hey, hey, hey, and you

704
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 5: say okay, and then in a few years that becomes

705
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 5: that's it.

706
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 6: That's where you go with.

707
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 5: Didn't those Lway ones on the whites? Am I remembering? Right?

708
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 5: The whites had the baby blue numbers? I think that.

709
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 6: I don't think they were baby were they? I don't

710
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 6: think so. I think they were blue. Weren't they orange

711
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 6: numbers with blue pin? Blue stripe with blue on the outside.

712
00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 6: I think they had orange numbers they did, Yeah, I

713
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 6: know on the orange jersey it was white white or

714
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 6: was it blued? Was it a blue number with an

715
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 6: orange pin?

716
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 5: Stripe.

717
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 6: How can I not recall those? I can imagine I

718
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 6: can picture them vividly with the orange tops. So it

719
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 6: was it was blue yeah, oh so those have got

720
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 6: to be sparkly.

721
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 3: Yeah.

722
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 5: So it was it was blue with like with like

723
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 5: a little yellow oh yeah, or orange, I mean outline

724
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: on them.

725
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 6: Now.

726
00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 5: They also had as I look back here in the

727
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 5: year nineteen four. According to this, they had a one

728
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 5: off which was their throwback for that number ninety four.

729
00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, the seventy fifth anniversary that.

730
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 5: Had an orange lid. Yeah that's how's that? I mean

731
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 5: that's perfect. Yeah, that's the They had an orange lid

732
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 5: with a running Oh yeah, I remember those, yes, yeah,

733
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 5: but they were the white with the blue the blue,

734
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 5: I mean that's.

735
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 6: I mean, that's perfect. Yeah, that's really clean.

736
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 5: What are we doing?

737
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:30,000
Speaker 3: Yeah?

738
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 6: So here's the thing that I think will be very

739
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 6: fascinating for them, because they're going to drop theirs next week,

740
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 6: and I mean they're going to have the Elway throwback.

741
00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:41,719
Speaker 6: Do they do it with a white jersey or an

742
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 6: orange I guess as they do it at home, So

743
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 6: with the orange, even though to your point, the white

744
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 6: is actually better. And then they're gonna have a modern

745
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 6: version that's going to be kind of a mixed mash

746
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 6: of their the current color scheme navy and orange with

747
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 6: like the d they've had that white helmet. I just

748
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 6: feel like they have a layup and they're going to

749
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 6: try to make it more complicated than it needs to be,

750
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 6: much like Atlanta did.

751
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean Atlanta had that gradient jersey that was

752
00:33:08,840 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 5: right correct, absurd.

753
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,680
Speaker 6: So we've got them. Houston is dropping next week. We've

754
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 6: seen there away, but we haven't seen anything else. It

755
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 6: sounds like they're going to keep their just tradition, their

756
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 6: home uniform in a little bit, and then they're gonna

757
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 6: have the h town blue and then they're gonna have

758
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 6: a red hat, so they're gonna have all three hats,

759
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 6: and then you'll have Detroit. And that's a fascinating one too,

760
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 6: because they they're a lot like us in that they've

761
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 6: got a storied history. We've had more success recently, although

762
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 6: they were great this year obviously, but very similar franchises

763
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 6: in terms of all of it, fan bases, cities, all

764
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 6: of it. And when I think of them, I think

765
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 6: a Barry and those seem perfect. But I don't know

766
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 6: if who knows if they'll do that, or if they'll

767
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 6: go the route of one classic throwback for you, but

768
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 6: this is going to wear all the time. It's tricky.

769
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 5: The reality is the Seahawk should wear those classics when

770
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 5: we played them and yeah, unbelievable. They're gorgeous.

771
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 6: But silver helmet, Yeah, it's the crazy thing for them

772
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:13,160
Speaker 6: is I actually think the ones that they've been wearing

773
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 6: for twenty years kind of fit the team, the city,

774
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 6: all of it, like that neon and blue. Yeah, and

775
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 6: they're gonna do new ones I think next year. I

776
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 6: was reading on them that they're going to do a

777
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 6: new uniform next year and they may have a variant

778
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 6: this year too.

779
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 5: That throwback logo, though, is so good it is, Yeah,

780
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 5: and you can wear it. I don't know. To me,

781
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 5: it's just you.

782
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 6: Could even keep the logo the same and just go

783
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 6: to those colors. But the problem is is that city

784
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 6: they kind of it's a little bit of like what

785
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 6: happened what Pittsburgh did, where that city's all Navy and

786
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 6: a shade of green, like the soccer teams that the

787
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 6: baseball teams that the NHL's that they're all Navy with

788
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 6: the shade of with some form of green, so like

789
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 6: Navies like the official color of Seattle. Yeah at this point,

790
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 6: but that these are tough to say visions man, because

791
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 6: like JW said, like you're locked into this for five years.

792
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 6: You make a change, you're locked in and that's it.

793
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:07,839
Speaker 5: You want to get that right?

794
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,520
Speaker 6: Yes you do, Yes you do. Who do we have?

795
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 6: I think we had the twenty second? Is that when

796
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: all the rest of them are doing it? Next week?

797
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 3: Thanks?

798
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 6: I know the Lions are the twenty second.

799
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, Houston Roncos are next week.

800
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 10: I know that.

801
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 6: Griff said that, and Houston's I think next week too.

802
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 3: With theirs.

803
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 6: Calvi has been leaking a little a few of them

804
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,879
Speaker 6: out time to time. So yeah, that's what you're doing.

805
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 6: That's what you're up to. Uh As we go around

806
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 6: the NFL in sports world, did you guys read this

807
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 6: Belichick story?

808
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 5: So I've read. I have not read it in its entirety,

809
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 5: as it is thorough, but I that's.

810
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 8: Why I printed it and highlighted all the main talking

811
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 8: points for you.

812
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 5: This new highlight weight commented while you were running downstairs,

813
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 5: highlighting that you're doing is wonderful and you really have

814
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 5: become adept at it very quickly. Yesterday. He gave me

815
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,760
Speaker 5: a couple of things. We had a couple interviews obviously

816
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 5: Kirkoh and Hollywood. Yeah, and he gave me a one

817
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 5: sheoter highlighted. There were maybe two words that weren't highlighted.

818
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 6: So this is more.

819
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 5: This is this is he's hitting the top stuff here.

820
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 8: This is I was like, well, I highlighted a lot

821
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 8: of stuff.

822
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 6: There, but no, this is this is a huge p

823
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 6: out of this is massive. Okay, I I did read this.

824
00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 6: This is what I think. This is what I think happened.

825
00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 6: First of all, I believe that that all right, here's

826
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 6: what is alleged in this story. By by the way,

827
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 6: anytime you see Don Van Nana and Seth Wickersham on

828
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 6: a byeline and if it's about you run for the hills,

829
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,960
Speaker 6: it's that good no, because it's comprehensive and it's right.

830
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 6: They're gonna get it right. They're comprehensive. And they got

831
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 6: Fouler in on this too, known Jeremy for a long time.

832
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,399
Speaker 6: He used to be on the Gators beat.

833
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 5: All right.

834
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 6: So the story here is that people in Belichick's camp

835
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 6: are alleging that Robert Kraft intervened and told Arthur blank,

836
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 6: do not trust Bill Belichick with your job. And Belichick

837
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 6: on the day that they made the decision to hire

838
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 6: Raheem Morris believed he was going to be the next

839
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 6: head coach of the Atlanta Falcons, and he believes Robert

840
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:21,720
Speaker 6: Craft undercutach of the Falcons. We all did, yeah, undercut him. Okay,

841
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 6: this is what I think happened. I think Brady's a

842
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 6: free agent. Bob Kraft goes into Bill Belichick and says,

843
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 6: what do we want to do. I'd really like to

844
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 6: keep Tom. I'd like him to play for the Patriots forever.

845
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 6: I view him like his son. Belichick says, I think

846
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 6: he's washed. I think we can keep this thing going

847
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 6: on our own. I think I can flip it in

848
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 6: a hurry. Trust me, I'll handle it. And then he

849
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 6: watched as Tom Brady won a Super Bowl his first

850
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 6: season in Tampa Bay. He watched as Belichick trot it

851
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 6: out Cam Newton the first year after Tom, where they

852
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 6: brought him in camp. By the way, yep, okay, so

853
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:03,359
Speaker 6: Cam Newton. And then he said, Okay, that didn't go well, Bob,

854
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 6: but I'm gonna get this one right, boss, Mac Jones.

855
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 6: Let's go get us a mac Jones, he's our quarterback,

856
00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: and then that falls off a cliff, and then you

857
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 6: hire a defensive guy to be his offensive coordinator, and

858
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, Bob Kraft wakes up five years

859
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 6: later and goes, what the hell happened? I had the

860
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 6: best organization in all of world sports, the winning this

861
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 6: organization has two decades, and now all of a sudden,

862
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 6: because of you, I got an also ran, and I'm wondering,

863
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 6: how good are you or how much of it was

864
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 6: the guy that has a quarterback who I thought was

865
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 6: like a son and mean, if I just would have

866
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 6: went with him and gone with Josh McDaniel, we wouldn't

867
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 6: be in this spot. That's my hunch.

868
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 5: It's interesting, though, that all being said, and that all

869
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 5: being true, you cannot deny what he did for that city,

870
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 5: for that organization, sure, for twenty years.

871
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 6: But that part goes into where I'm choosing you over

872
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 6: Brady for sure.

873
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 5: It's one thing to be like, Okay, I got that wrong.

874
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 5: I don't believe in him. It's another thing, though, to

875
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 5: then feel the need to call another owner and be like,

876
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,839
Speaker 5: don't hire Bill Belichick.

877
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 6: Agreed, that's another step, like a real step. That's imagine.

878
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,799
Speaker 5: But how can you have that much personal animus against

879
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 5: someone who gave you because your level of greatness just

880
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 5: to play.

881
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 6: Devil's advocate, because you assigned the person who gave you

882
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 6: the greatness to this person who he helped you run

883
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 6: out the door, not you. The track record would suggest

884
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:39,399
Speaker 6: that Belichick with Brady versus without are drastically different. Right,

885
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 6: So all of a sudden one.

886
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 5: When Brady wasn't Brady, but he never won without him,

887
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 5: when it was winning without Tom Brady even though it

888
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 5: was Tom Brady, Like, I don't agree, but I would also.

889
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 5: I mean I was at their first Super Bowl. It

890
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 5: was not about Brady. The kid was clutch, was very

891
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 5: on that drive. He was always great in the post.

892
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 5: They didn't throw over five thousand yards, but he was.

893
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 5: He was honestly very similar with a bigger arm to

894
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 5: like what Perty does for the forty nine ers in

895
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 5: those years, but not even that prolific. But yet no

896
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 5: different sport. It's a different sport in that era. In

897
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 5: that era, I bet it was very similar. So yeah,

898
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 5: I just think that's where the bitterness comes from of

899
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,759
Speaker 5: like wait a second, Like dude, what have you done

900
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 5: to my franchise the last five years.

901
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 6: I gave you carte blanche. You have both your kids

902
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 6: on the staff. You got your former defensive guy being

903
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 6: the offensive coordinator. You tell me to Mac draft back

904
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 6: Jones and then you don't give him a chance to succeed.

905
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 6: Now I'm off of back Jones. I'm drafting another quarterback.

906
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 6: I have no talent on this roster. They've given you

907
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 6: the full keys of the kingdom. Go straight to hell.

908
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,479
Speaker 6: I understand that. That's what I think that's called.

909
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 5: You fire him and say, you know what, I need

910
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 5: to go out there, but then to go and call

911
00:40:49,160 --> 00:40:52,879
Speaker 5: of the falcons like Bill Belichick doesn't deserve to coach

912
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 5: in this league.

913
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 6: You don't believe he did it, then, or do you

914
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 6: just think it's right. I think he did.

915
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 5: I'm saying to me that's over the top.

916
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 6: It might be, but I'm just I don't disagree with

917
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 6: you on that, but I do think that's what happened, agreed.

918
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 5: I just think it's I think it's outrageous. Like you

919
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 5: may not be pleased with the way it ended, and

920
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,920
Speaker 5: you ultimately had the chance to maybe extend it for

921
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 5: a couple more years, but you got twenty of the

922
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 5: twenty five. Right, Yes, he's a big reason why. Brady obviously,

923
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 5: as it went on, became the biggest reason why. But

924
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 5: he was a pretty big reason why. For sure, things

925
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 5: he was able to do is defensive scheme. All all

926
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 5: those guys credit Bill Belichick.

927
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 6: I'm sure Bob Kraft credit credits himself too. A great deal.

928
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 5: Sure, I don't understand. I just it would be like

929
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 5: to me if I'm trying to think Phil Jackson or Popovich. Okay,

930
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 5: like the Spurs have fallen off, Popovich is they're not

931
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 5: what they were, and so they you know what we

932
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 5: need to we need to change things up. It's the

933
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:02,320
Speaker 5: end of the Popovich era. But then I'm gonna call

934
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 5: every other team in the league and be like, don't

935
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 5: hire Greg Popovic.

936
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 6: I think it's just more unbelievable if Popovich bailed on

937
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 6: Duncan four years left in his career and said, yeah,

938
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 6: he's washed, choose my path instead of his, and then

939
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:19,959
Speaker 6: Duncan went to the Lakers and won a Super Bowl

940
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: in year one. He won, That's where the bitterness comes from.

941
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 6: He won, That's the bitterness. That's where it comes from.

942
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:28,359
Speaker 6: I'm not saying it's rash, but also he thought he

943
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 6: was washed. I think Belichick thought he was done. He

944
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 6: drafted Garoppolo like he wanted out of the Brady business.

945
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:37,720
Speaker 6: Three years before his last.

946
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 5: Season in New England, they went twelve and four. He

947
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 5: threw for forty four fifty seven yards, twenty four touchdowns,

948
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 5: eight picks.

949
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 6: I think Bill Belichick wanted to do it on his own,

950
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 6: and I think he was sick of Brady, and I

951
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 6: think he thought that he could do it with anybody.

952
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 6: That's why they drafted Garppolo.

953
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 8: Sometimes things run their course totally.

954
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 6: He blew it. They'd have been better off keeping Brady,

955
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 6: of course, and I'm that's the bitterness.

956
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 5: The wild thing is the last time that Brady was

957
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 5: even really even in the MVP voting before he went

958
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:08,959
Speaker 5: to Tampa was twenty seventeen. So he had two more

959
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 5: seasons where he was I still think pretty darn good

960
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 5: forty three fifty five, twenty nine and eleven. Now, he

961
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 5: did complete sixty point eight percent of his passes that

962
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 5: final season New England, which was his career low. They

963
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 5: did go. They still went twelve and four, and then

964
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 5: obviously went down to Tampa and was incredibly prolific where

965
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:29,800
Speaker 5: he's throwing the ball. You know, seven hundred, seven hundred

966
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 5: and twenty times was trash for a long time. But

967
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 5: I mean he had the Jets, he had that good

968
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: Jets run. You had the Bills late in the late

969
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 5: run with Alan, But that's still very that's recent history.

970
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 5: The Dolphins really have only gotten good very recently, which

971
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 5: is after Brady was gone. Even though the Dolphins used

972
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 5: to give the Patriots fits even in their heyday. It's

973
00:43:54,600 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 5: just a uh again. I get it that he made

974
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 5: it ultimately, though, if when you're the owner, you make

975
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 5: the call. So his call was to give Bill Belichick

976
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 5: the right to do it the way he wanted to.

977
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 5: If he didn't want to get rid of Tom Brady,

978
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 5: there's nobody above him.

979
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 6: Well no, but he's not gonna blame himself. What do

980
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 6: you wanted to come on there and be like, I

981
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 6: really blew this. He's got to blame somebody. But that's fine.

982
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,399
Speaker 5: But I don't think you need to call Arthur Blake. Okay,

983
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 5: they don't hire Bill Belichick. That's the part that bothers me.

984
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 5: Everything else I'm fine with.

985
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 6: You're this worried about little Bill.

986
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 5: I'm not worried about Bill at all. I think it's

987
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 5: I just think it is an insane level.

988
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 6: Okay, but like it's a billionaire owner. You're saying it's

989
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 6: shocking he's acting irrationally, Like is this surprising to you

990
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 6: that he did this? Like this is surprising at all

991
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 6: to me? Totally seems like him play it totally seems

992
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 6: like I bet many owners would do this bitterness. Jerry

993
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 6: Jones kept Jimmy Johnson out of the Ring of Honor

994
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 6: for twenty years.

995
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 5: It's crazy. I think that's crazy, Like you want him

996
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 5: to be like.

997
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 6: Jerry won't. Even the guy was in the Pro Football

998
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 6: Hall of Fame and Jerry's like, ah, we got a

999
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 6: lot of guys who gotta get in there. Hold on,

1000
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 6: he did the herschel Walker trade. He won two Super

1001
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 6: Bowl say yup for a third, but because he got

1002
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 6: more credit than you did for it, he has sit

1003
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,799
Speaker 6: on the sidelines.

1004
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's crazy.

1005
00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 6: I mean, come on, these guys are this is what

1006
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 6: happens on top of everything that's article.

1007
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:31,160
Speaker 8: Belichick's on McAfee right now and they announced Belichick's gonna

1008
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,319
Speaker 8: join McAfee next Thursday night for their special McAfee show

1009
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 8: Draft night.

1010
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 6: I think Bill will be very good at this, and

1011
00:45:38,840 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 6: quite honestly, it's better for it. It's going to.

1012
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 8: Be like, but the baller move is if you go

1013
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 8: watch if you look up McAfee right now at Belichick's

1014
00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 8: doing this hit. In the background, are all the Super

1015
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 8: Bowl trophies on shelf? Yeah, go ahead, yes, of course,

1016
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 8: call me whatever you want. Well, I just think it.

1017
00:45:58,400 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 8: Here's the reality of it.

1018
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:05,240
Speaker 6: Nothing. Ever, it's very difficult for anything to end well, correct, right,

1019
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 6: no matter how great it is. Look at look at

1020
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 6: the last dance with Jordan. The mess I mean, Michael, Jordan,

1021
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 6: Scotti Pippen can't stand each other. Now Jordan's kid dated

1022
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 6: Pippin's ex wife was engaged her. For God's sakes, the

1023
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 6: last dance pushed that thing in every other direction. Look

1024
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 6: at what happened, Shack Kobe Lakers Like, give me an

1025
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 6: example of dynasty greatness where it ends kumbayah. It's rare, man,

1026
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:35,760
Speaker 6: it's really rare. Yeah, it's hard. There's usually incredible bitterness,

1027
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 6: and usually when it comes down to his ego and

1028
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 6: who gets credit, it's tough.

1029
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 5: I maybe I'm just naive.

1030
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 6: Hey, did you guys see well, no, you're not naive,

1031
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 6: You're smart. I just I'm just done the like, were

1032
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 6: you stunned?

1033
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 3: That?

1034
00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 6: Were you equally the son that Jerry Jones the most

1035
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 6: absurd and stun are different though, because I agree this

1036
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 6: is absurd, but this isn't stunning to me.

1037
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,719
Speaker 5: And maybe the difference is to me, like Jerry's persona

1038
00:47:06,320 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 5: publicly is wide ranging, emotional, so like for him to

1039
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 5: maybe be like, especially with what he did, you know,

1040
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 5: Barry Switzer, all of it, like for him to either

1041
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 5: love love, love somebody and then hate hate hate them,

1042
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 5: it seems kind of in play. That's kind of his.

1043
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 5: He's kind of a maverick.

1044
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 6: I think he's just far more public than Bob is.

1045
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 6: But I think there's a reason that the two they're

1046
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 6: always so tight. For sure, too, they're very similar, for sure.

1047
00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 5: I just yeah, like, I just can't. I think the

1048
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 5: thing that's crazy for me is that as a person

1049
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 5: in his position, right, like when you pick up the

1050
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 5: phone and make that call, yeah, like you are.

1051
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 6: Making it now, he's denied it. To be fair, he

1052
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 6: has denied it.

1053
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 5: What did you say about when it's reported by don

1054
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 5: No No?

1055
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 6: I know, but like he has denied it I'm curious

1056
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 6: how it got out, if it happened, how did it

1057
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,759
Speaker 6: get out? Because it's sourcing from a Belichick source that

1058
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 6: Craft called blank, or it could be from a Blank source. Yeah,

1059
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,960
Speaker 6: but why would Blank give up Craft?

1060
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 5: That tight?

1061
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel like owners don't ever give up each

1062
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 6: other with.

1063
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 5: So he's denying it, yes, well that's interesting to me too. Now,

1064
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 5: if he didn't do it, obviously, all you can do

1065
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 5: is deny it, So that is that would be the truth.

1066
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 6: Honestly, even if he did, he could deny it.

1067
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 5: And but why would Why would you deny at that point?

1068
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 6: Well, because he's still worried about his constituents, which are

1069
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,320
Speaker 6: the fans, and he would really.

1070
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 5: Wants it comes off not.

1071
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 6: Good, So don't do it. Yeah, but vengeance, bitterness.

1072
00:48:41,640 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 5: Vengeance on a person who was You keep having the

1073
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 5: same conversation looking for a rational thing, some percentage responsible

1074
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 5: for the growth in the fortune of this company. Certainly

1075
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 5: it's brand, all of it. Like for sure, the Patriots

1076
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 5: aren't who the Patriots are without Bill Belichick, you know,

1077
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 5: if Tom Brady's there. No, it's a wild it's a

1078
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 5: wild level bit It's scary, it's a scary. Listen I know.

1079
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,440
Speaker 6: It's like comes down to it comes down as you do,

1080
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 6: It comes down to maybe, and so many of these

1081
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 6: instances just comes down to credit, like who gets the credit?

1082
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 6: And my my hunch is if you were to ask

1083
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,399
Speaker 6: Bob Craft, he would go, I probably would have liked

1084
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 6: a little liked a little more credit. Like it was

1085
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 6: Belichick Brady. Nobody ever mentions him. He's like I wrote

1086
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 6: all the checks, I built the I built Patriot's Way,

1087
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 6: I went and hired him.

1088
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,879
Speaker 5: I think, I don't know he's featured in all the stuff, Like.

1089
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 6: It's always Belichick Brady, that's always what you get.

1090
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 5: But it's what owner has ever gotten.

1091
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 6: But all of them wanted a lot of them want it.

1092
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 6: A lot of them want it.

1093
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Speaker 5: And to me, like if this Kansas City, if if

1094
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 5: the Hunt family ultimately starts bad mouth and Andy, look

1095
00:49:49,200 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 5: at him today with a tie.

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Speaker 6: It's rare we see that big. He's got to run

1097
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 6: a big business. Who it's a big business man. You're

1098
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 6: stay out his way, stay ahead of his way, behind

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00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 6: double pane glass. Oh my gosh, crazy. All right, there

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Speaker 6: you go. Kirko coming up next. This in Cleve Brown

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Speaker 6: Daily on eight fifty esp in.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Cleveland Browns Daily brought to you by Balley bed

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Speaker 1: Now Live in Ohio on eight fifty ESP and Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: Talk with one of my favorite guys that I've come

1105
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 5: across in my you know, twelve years now with this team,

1106
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 5: and you are here for a good portion of them,

1107
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Speaker 5: especially right at the beginning linebacker Christian Kirksey and Kirko

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Speaker 5: First of all, can grats on a great career.

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00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you.

1110
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,399
Speaker 5: Grats on being recognized for being an elite human being.

1111
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 5: You're one of the few people in the NFL's history

1112
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 5: to be a Walter Payton Man of the Year nominee

1113
00:51:10,440 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 5: for two different organizations. You did it with the Browns

1114
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 5: as well as the Houston Texans where you finished your career,

1115
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 5: and then today you came back to retire as a

1116
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,839
Speaker 5: Cleveland brown What made you want to do that? Why

1117
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:23,880
Speaker 5: was that important to you?

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00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:27,240
Speaker 3: Oh Man? First off, thank you for the introduction.

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00:51:29,200 --> 00:51:31,280
Speaker 11: It was important for me to come back here because

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00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 11: obviously in twenty fourteen, D and Jimmy Haslam gave me

1121
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 11: opportunity to become a Brown to be a part of

1122
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 11: this organization and to come back ten years later and

1123
00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 11: be able to you know, end my football career here

1124
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 11: and tie back together is no greater story than that

1125
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 11: for me. City treated me like family. It was so

1126
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 11: funny because certain people that I met in Cleveland, they

1127
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 11: thought that I was from Cleveland because how much like

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00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 11: you know, I to the city, embraced it, just did

1129
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 11: different things. I got some lifetime friends I've met here

1130
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 11: in Cleveland. My wife is from Cleveland, my daughter's born

1131
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 11: in Cleveland. Man, I just got so many people that

1132
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 11: affects my life positively. And you know, for me to

1133
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 11: pay it back forward, to come back and close that chapter,

1134
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,320
Speaker 11: it means a lot for me. So the city is

1135
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 11: special to me. When I embody, the city embodies you know.

1136
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 11: I have a huge connection with the fans. You know,

1137
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 11: they they've always been nice to me and my family.

1138
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 11: I have some good years here, Some of my better

1139
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 11: years is here and just you know, just being able

1140
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 11: to play each and every time on the field.

1141
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: I was a captain, water player man in a year.

1142
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 11: Just it was a lot of a lot of positive

1143
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 11: and blessings here. So it makes sense for me to

1144
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:50,239
Speaker 11: come back.

1145
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,799
Speaker 5: So I remember sitting in that chair, al though it

1146
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 5: was not as nice as a chair, but in that

1147
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 5: spot when you were drafted ten years ago, you have

1148
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 5: been ten years ago probably next week. Yeah, that you

1149
00:53:01,520 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 5: got drafted in the twenty fourteen draft. Your fellow draft

1150
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: classmate that's still going, Joel Botonio's still here with the

1151
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 5: Browns from that twenty fourteen draft class. But when you

1152
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 5: kind of look back on I remember when I first

1153
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 5: talked to you and I was like, man, you know

1154
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,240
Speaker 5: you'd read everything you did at Iowa how you're always

1155
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 5: a leader. I don't remember off the top of my

1156
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,040
Speaker 5: head the name of the award you won your final

1157
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 5: year at IOWOAD, but that was like the heart of

1158
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 5: the team kind of award that you won there. To

1159
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 5: kind of think of back from that kid who is

1160
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 5: coming in and you're like, I'll do whatever, I'll play specialty, whatever,

1161
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 5: just get me on the field to the career that

1162
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 5: you were able to have. And you know what's kind

1163
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 5: of one thing that maybe you would look back and

1164
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 5: if you could tell, you know, the kid who got

1165
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 5: drafted about the man that would be sitting here right now.

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00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 11: Yeah, just keep believing in yourself and none of the

1167
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 11: hard work that you do go unnoticed. You know a

1168
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,879
Speaker 11: lot of times you put in work and a lot

1169
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,400
Speaker 11: of times you try to be as humble as you

1170
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 11: can because I was I was always taught to let

1171
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,759
Speaker 11: another man praise you. Don't always just praise yourself or

1172
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 11: patch yourself on the back, but just just do things

1173
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 11: humbly and moving at the court that you don't know

1174
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 11: who's watching you, and you don't know that who life

1175
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 11: that you are affecting, just by you know, being you

1176
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,520
Speaker 11: and working hard and setting that standard. So like the

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00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 11: me now would tell you know, the little meat is

1178
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 11: to keep going and keep working hard no matter who's

1179
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 11: watching behind closed doors, stay true to yourself and just

1180
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,800
Speaker 11: keep working hard because like I said, you know, the

1181
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 11: right person will see you and the right opportunities to

1182
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 11: come your.

1183
00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 3: Way just by being genuine and just about being authentic.

1184
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 11: And I think that that's something that you know, I

1185
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 11: can save my whole career no matter the outcome, no

1186
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 11: matter what's going on, like I remain true to who

1187
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 11: I was, and that's just loving the game of football,

1188
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,440
Speaker 11: you know, being the best teammate that I can be.

1189
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: I truly believe like.

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Speaker 11: If you're the best teammate, you know, you get the

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00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 11: respect from your teammates and also just build that brotherhood

1192
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 11: in the locker room on the field, it's like if

1193
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 11: I can know you on a personal level and if

1194
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,640
Speaker 11: I can be vulnerable to allow myself to be open

1195
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 11: and for you to understand who I am, I think

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00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 11: that's how you know you be a the camaraderie at

1197
00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 11: a team and that's all a part of it winning

1198
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 11: culture as well.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I'll tell my youngs.

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Speaker 5: That for sure. Listen and you men, you say you

1201
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 5: hit the next thing I was going to ask if

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00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:16,440
Speaker 5: you talk about the respect of your teammates when you

1203
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:20,320
Speaker 5: are elected a team captain, as you were multiple times,

1204
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 5: that is the ultimate right, the respect of your peers,

1205
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 5: and you certainly have had that everywhere you've gone and

1206
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 5: definitely here in Cleveland, and I know that was something

1207
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 5: you know, for me and in my role getting to

1208
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 5: interview you and getting to see you kind of interact everybody.

1209
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 5: Everybody loved you, which is a that's a great thing.

1210
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 5: That's a great thing, but that comes from being genuine.

1211
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 5: That's not something that could be faked into. And so

1212
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 5: I think that was one of the things that not

1213
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 5: only what you did on the field, but what you

1214
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 5: did in the locker room, and certainly what you've done

1215
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 5: off the field with the kirk Oland Foundation kind of

1216
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: all speaks to that. You know, in the Walter Payton

1217
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: Man of your nominations of you, you are a genuine

1218
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 5: good human being, which is awesome. And I think when

1219
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 5: people who are that are able to get recognized like

1220
00:55:57,840 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 5: you were today and kind of have that, as you said,

1221
00:55:59,360 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 5: that kind of book end and make that closer, it's awesome. Man.

1222
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 5: This is I'm overjoyed seeing you. Dude. I've always i'd

1223
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 5: run into you when you go down to Houston and

1224
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,479
Speaker 5: we see I come find you, usually you're stretching or something,

1225
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 5: come finding and say what's up, dude. Like it's just

1226
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 5: this is a business that is so transient. You know this,

1227
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 5: the locker room shifts over so much every year. But

1228
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 5: when you have somebody that you know makes that kind

1229
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:23,759
Speaker 5: of impression that you're able to still connect with like

1230
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 5: ten years later and it's like we saw each other

1231
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,320
Speaker 5: ten years ago, that's something special and it is a

1232
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 5: testament to you. So I guess it's a long winded

1233
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,200
Speaker 5: way of saying I've always really loved you and it's

1234
00:56:33,239 --> 00:56:36,240
Speaker 5: awesome for me to see you kind of get this kind.

1235
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 3: Of recognition thank you. I appreciate it, man, And you know.

1236
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 5: Your teammates feel that way too. Yeah, I'm sure you've

1237
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 5: had a lot of people who'll probably reach out to you.

1238
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,160
Speaker 5: And at this point now that you're deciding to move

1239
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 5: on to something.

1240
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 11: Else, hey, And and it's crazy because you really when

1241
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 11: you're when you're in it, you know you're you're just

1242
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 11: going day to day and you know you've been who

1243
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 11: you are. You you know you always taught to you know,

1244
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:57,640
Speaker 11: be a good teammate and everything like that. But when

1245
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 11: you look from the outside looking in and you look

1246
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 11: at your career, you're like, like, man, like, I've met

1247
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 11: some incredible people. I've had a great, great time. It's

1248
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 11: nothing that I can go back on. Besides, I wish

1249
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 11: when I was here we went to the playoffs.

1250
00:57:12,760 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 5: Of course, I'll just say you were here at a

1251
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 5: time with the Browns where unfortunately there was a lot

1252
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 5: of yeah and turnover and not of coaches front office. Right.

1253
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 5: So I always say this time, like when I go

1254
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 5: to the combat or something, but I know somebody in

1255
00:57:26,040 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 5: every organization now because at some point they were through

1256
00:57:29,800 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 5: the Cleveland Browns and you knew them all too.

1257
00:57:31,960 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean every team that I went to. Everybody's like, bro,

1258
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 11: you know so many people. I'm like, I to be honest,

1259
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,080
Speaker 11: I played in Cleveland and I've just seen so many

1260
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 11: new faces. But you know what, though, I can say

1261
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 11: that Carlos Dansby when I first got here, you know,

1262
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:50,080
Speaker 11: that was my that was my big VET. And he

1263
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 11: told me and it stuck with me since I first

1264
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 11: walked into an NFL door, and he was like, don't ever,

1265
00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 11: like let anybody steal your joy away from the game, because,

1266
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 11: like one, it's a business to its competition and you

1267
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 11: just gonna see a lot of new faces. But like

1268
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 11: you got to keep your same joy because like you

1269
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 11: can't dictate what happens to you in the league, but

1270
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 11: like you can dictate like your day to day and

1271
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 11: just having your joy.

1272
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:15,440
Speaker 3: So like I took that and ran with it.

1273
00:58:15,480 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 11: Was just like, look if I'm whether I'm here but

1274
00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 11: I'm at a new team or when I just see

1275
00:58:20,120 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 11: new faces, is like, I just keep my same joy

1276
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 11: because like, can't nobody take it off.

1277
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 3: I'm saying, yeah, you're.

1278
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 5: Smiling, and when people are smiling, it makes you feel

1279
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,919
Speaker 5: like you I want to smile. Yeah, smiling is great.

1280
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 5: Yeah for sure, Carlos Dancy. When you say him, I

1281
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 5: think of tooth take away from football. Obviously it was

1282
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 5: a great FOOTBA player. You actually look at his resume,

1283
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:38,560
Speaker 5: sex up very well with some of the greats to

1284
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 5: play the position, trus ability to tackle, cover, sack, quarterback,

1285
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 5: all of that. But I remember he had that kind

1286
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 5: of like that guru and so I always think of

1287
00:58:48,160 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 5: him eating like lobster mac and cheese or whatever because

1288
00:58:50,520 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 5: it was like allowed. And then yeah, he came out

1289
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,280
Speaker 5: with the body washing. Can you think of that name?

1290
00:58:58,400 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 5: I had a bottle, had a bottle.

1291
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 11: And it's funny because when I think about Carlos, when

1292
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 11: I think about his diet, so I used to always

1293
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 11: be like, oh gee, I'm like, bro, why are you

1294
00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:09,120
Speaker 11: eating the same food?

1295
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:10,840
Speaker 3: Like all the time? He like, he like works for

1296
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: my body, Like look here, young Kirko.

1297
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 11: He was like like, hey, you gotta you gotta feel

1298
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 11: your body right. So it's funny because I look back

1299
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 11: when I went to Green Bay, I had the same

1300
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 11: diet and it wasn't like the same exact to a t,

1301
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 11: but I was eating the same stuff and I ended up,

1302
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:29,439
Speaker 11: you know, doing the same things he did.

1303
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,520
Speaker 3: I had the art machine just like he had.

1304
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,479
Speaker 11: And I was laughing at myself because the young kids

1305
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 11: looking at me like, hey, oh gee, like why are

1306
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 11: you why are you eating the same stuff? And I'm like, man,

1307
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 11: life happens to the full circle, bro, it happens now.

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00:59:43,360 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 5: You were dispensing that with.

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00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:47,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So school.

1310
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 5: So when we when we got you, obviously a young

1311
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 5: man coming out of college. Now here you are a

1312
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 5: decade later, family man. You got two kids, daughter for

1313
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 5: son too, right, yep, how's that? I mean, father, it's

1314
00:59:58,440 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 5: the best.

1315
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 3: It's it's the best.

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01:00:00,680 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 11: And I think that's what keeps me going because obviously,

1317
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 11: when you retire as a as an athlete, you used

1318
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,520
Speaker 11: to a structure schedule. You used to just I'm doing

1319
01:00:09,560 --> 01:00:12,120
Speaker 11: this at this part of the year, I have this

1320
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 11: this however, break time on this part of the year.

1321
01:00:15,080 --> 01:00:17,600
Speaker 3: So you just used to having the consistency of a

1322
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 3: structured schedule.

1323
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 11: But it helps me now that I'm a father and

1324
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 11: a husband, is like, I don't have no time to

1325
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 11: just sit still and do anything because I got to

1326
01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 11: chase kids around. So but it's it's such a joy.

1327
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:32,440
Speaker 11: And I think it's a joy that you know, it's

1328
01:00:32,520 --> 01:00:35,600
Speaker 11: unmatched that you really can't explain, like when you see

1329
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 11: your seed come to life and you're like, like, this

1330
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,959
Speaker 11: is my child, Like you want to still the same

1331
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 11: things that was instilled in me, and it just.

1332
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,200
Speaker 5: Has to hit close to home with you with yeah,

1333
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 5: but you went through.

1334
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely absolutely.

1335
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Speaker 11: So it's like, you know, for for for me to

1336
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 11: be a father, and now I think of my father

1337
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 11: and yeah, I respect my mother and father even much

1338
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 11: because I know how hard it is raising kids. Like

1339
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 11: some days you'd be like, man, this is beautiful, and

1340
01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 11: the other days you're like, a you're gonna pull.

1341
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 5: Your hair out.

1342
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:03,160
Speaker 6: You guys go take a vacation.

1343
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, like no, we're here, like they're depending on you.

1344
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,120
Speaker 5: Yeah without you, Without you, they're not making it. Yeah,

1345
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 5: Like yeah, that's the thing. I think. It's so interesting

1346
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 5: you think about kind of just nature in general, right

1347
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 5: and you see the videos of like you know, a

1348
01:01:15,960 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 5: baby giraffe kind against drops to the ground that it's

1349
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 5: like up walking, and yeah, it's got to kind of

1350
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:23,240
Speaker 5: like do its own thing. You bring a human baby

1351
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 5: home without you, like no chance.

1352
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 3: There's no chance. You got to remind yourself, like you

1353
01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 3: know what, I have to do this on the bad days.

1354
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 5: Still gotta be daddy. It can be tough. I was

1355
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,280
Speaker 5: gonna say, when you're you're used to a schedule and

1356
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 5: things happening at you know, certain times of the day,

1357
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 5: kids are just like no, yeah, yeah, we might wake

1358
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 5: up at three in the morning. Sorry.

1359
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 11: I remember the first time I was at home doing

1360
01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,160
Speaker 11: the hours that I was usually you know, at work,

1361
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 11: and my son was looking at me like you never,

1362
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 11: like yeah, what are you doing here? But like you're

1363
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 11: never here, right, And I'm like yeah, that's when reality

1364
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,680
Speaker 11: kicked in, Like I'm gonna be here around the time every.

1365
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,600
Speaker 5: Day, that's right. You're still uh still musician.

1366
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 11: So yeah, so I don't I don't play the drums

1367
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 11: as much, but it's like riding the bike, man, Like

1368
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Speaker 11: you pick up the drumsticks and you give yourself two

1369
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 11: little minutes to u dust off the rest and you

1370
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 11: get back to it.

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01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: So I'm still musically musically gifted.

1372
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's no doubt. Nine year NFL career music. If

1373
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 5: you're doing well, yeah, you're do. If you could tell

1374
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 5: us a little bit about the people who are listening

1375
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 5: Kirkland Foundation and if they want to get involved with that,

1376
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 5: how would they.

1377
01:02:34,160 --> 01:02:37,360
Speaker 11: So to be honest. With the kirk o Land, we're

1378
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 11: gonna actually transition. So I don't know if if too

1379
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 11: many people know my wife's story, but she's from Cleveland

1380
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 11: and she just did uh Miss Houston, the Miss the

1381
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 11: Miss America stuff, well Miss International su and uh, she

1382
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 11: just did that last month and her.

1383
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 3: Thing was foster care.

1384
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 11: So she's been involve off heavily with the foster care

1385
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 11: because she you know, dealt with foster care in her life.

1386
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:08,280
Speaker 11: So we're kind of trying to transition to kirk Coland

1387
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:12,320
Speaker 11: because kirkle Land is open ended, is it's super broad focus?

1388
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1389
01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:15,240
Speaker 3: Focused. So with kir Gole Lamb, we was just you know,

1390
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 3: help were needed.

1391
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:20,440
Speaker 11: So we was doing back to school events, it was

1392
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,320
Speaker 11: happening with homeless, We was helping with single mother, was

1393
01:03:23,320 --> 01:03:26,760
Speaker 11: helping with everything. But now I think we want to transition,

1394
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,200
Speaker 11: and now that I'm married and you know, have kids,

1395
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 11: want to transition into maybe aim towards Boston care. But

1396
01:03:33,920 --> 01:03:35,800
Speaker 11: we haven't set it in stone. But like my wife

1397
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 11: is a huge advocate about that. So it's like, you know,

1398
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 11: her story is amazing and now you partner it up

1399
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 11: with with with myself. It's like, you know, some good

1400
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:49,560
Speaker 11: things can happen. So we were looking at the transitioning

1401
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 11: into that. But my wife story is it's amazing, man,

1402
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:54,840
Speaker 11: And she did good. She was She was first runner

1403
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,520
Speaker 11: up too. It was her first time ever doing it,

1404
01:03:57,560 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 11: so it was pretty dope.

1405
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:01,320
Speaker 5: It was pretty dope. Family of achievers.

1406
01:04:01,600 --> 01:04:03,320
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, yeah, out world.

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01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, man, I'm gonna remember. And what will be about

1408
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,600
Speaker 5: sixty he's two twenty years from now. Yeah, we'll have

1409
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 5: another Curtsey walking through the.

1410
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 3: Hey, you never never know. My son is too right now.

1411
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 3: He looked like he about to be at the end.

1412
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 5: I love it too well, great to see. I want

1413
01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 5: to get you out of here on this one. We

1414
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 5: appreciate the time, and it's so cool to get to

1415
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 5: have you back here, glad. I mean get I'll tell

1416
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 5: you you do get reference quite a bit on our program,

1417
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 5: just because you know, sometimes people will do you know,

1418
01:04:29,600 --> 01:04:31,160
Speaker 5: who are some of the guys that you really you know,

1419
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,680
Speaker 5: that really stood out to in your timer and you're

1420
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 5: always on that list.

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01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 6: I appreciate it, so there's no doubt and you know that, Yeah,

1422
01:04:36,120 --> 01:04:36,760
Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

1423
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 5: What's one thing if you wanted to say, like not

1424
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 5: to me, but just to the fans, you know right now,

1425
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:43,520
Speaker 5: it's just kind of like the final you know, like

1426
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:45,400
Speaker 5: thank you, yeah, man.

1427
01:04:45,640 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 3: Look man, a kid from Saint Louis, Missouri.

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Speaker 11: Man, y'all brought me in and y'all, y'all, y'all made

1429
01:04:51,400 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 11: it feel home for me, and I love y'all at

1430
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:55,240
Speaker 11: all my heart. Sorry the years that I was here,

1431
01:04:55,360 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 11: we you know, we didn't get it done, but I

1432
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,200
Speaker 11: had some of the best times that y'all made it possible.

1433
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 6: Hello, y'all and dulltive life.

1434
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, feel me beautiful, Thank you man, congrats.

1435
01:05:07,280 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 3: Thanks all right?

1436
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 6: Oh, come on, great up with great stup with Kirco

1437
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,240
Speaker 6: on that. Coming up next, our guy Dave Brugler releases

1438
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,720
Speaker 6: his seven round mock draft. We'll tell you who he has, yes,

1439
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:21,720
Speaker 6: picking with all six picks. God love Dane. It was

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Speaker 6: The Cleveland brown Daily on a fifty ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Cleveland, Cleveland Crowns Daily, brought to you by Bally bed

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01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: Now Live in Ohio on eight fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: All right, welcome back to the Cleveland Browns Daily a

1444
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:56,640
Speaker 6: fifty ESPN Cleveland. Hey, did you guys watch the hoops

1445
01:05:56,680 --> 01:05:58,760
Speaker 6: last night? Did you watch it? Give the plan? Did

1446
01:05:58,800 --> 01:05:59,200
Speaker 6: you watch it.

1447
01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 8: I Yeah, Zion just can't stay healthy, my guy.

1448
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 3: All right.

1449
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 6: So first of all, like I got to give some

1450
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 6: credit to the NBA. I've watched next to none of

1451
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 6: it all this season, but I was watching last night

1452
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 6: and it's pretty good. It's a one off. So seven

1453
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 6: played eights. It was Lakers at Pelicans. Winner goes on

1454
01:06:19,320 --> 01:06:23,040
Speaker 6: to play Denver as the seventh seed. Loser will play

1455
01:06:23,160 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 6: tomorrow right Thursday, Yeah, Thursday against the Kings, who whipped

1456
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 6: the Warriors. Warriors are done, so Pelicans will play the

1457
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 6: Kings in an elimination game and they'll be the eight,

1458
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 6: which is kind of nice because the eight plays Oklahoma City.

1459
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 6: You'd rather play Olahoma City than Denver. So I watched

1460
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 6: much of it because it's basically a game seven, right,

1461
01:06:44,600 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 6: So it was pretty great and Lebron was locked in

1462
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,800
Speaker 6: the whole way. It's crazy at age forty that he

1463
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 6: could do this. He took a charge from Zion Williamson

1464
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,800
Speaker 6: in the fourth quarter of the game. Were you watching

1465
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 6: it this time?

1466
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:56,720
Speaker 5: Gibe?

1467
01:06:57,400 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 6: When Lebron took the charge on Zion Williamson was a

1468
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:03,000
Speaker 6: gentleman charge. It wasn't he took a charge. It was

1469
01:07:03,040 --> 01:07:05,640
Speaker 6: two feet down. He was standing there. Zion Williamson going

1470
01:07:05,720 --> 01:07:14,120
Speaker 6: downhill ran over him. Lebron caramed bounced like it was crazy.

1471
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 5: Found human being.

1472
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 6: Come on, forty year old man taking a charge like that,

1473
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:19,439
Speaker 6: You got to be out of your mind.

1474
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:20,600
Speaker 5: I'm not doing that.

1475
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:23,919
Speaker 6: No, God, no, can I tell you something. I've never

1476
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 6: done that, not at forty, not at twelve.

1477
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 5: I think I was. I was. I think I was

1478
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 5: in my mind one of the best, but in others

1479
01:07:33,080 --> 01:07:34,840
Speaker 5: minds might be one of the worst. Ever. In the

1480
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,760
Speaker 5: charge drill we see those drills were.

1481
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 6: Like, I'm not taking that. Yeah. When they said fall

1482
01:07:38,560 --> 01:07:39,600
Speaker 6: backwards now, I'm good.

1483
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 5: No, but like the way that we our coach did

1484
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 5: it is and then he'd scream at you man or mouse,

1485
01:07:43,600 --> 01:07:44,280
Speaker 5: Man or mouse.

1486
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,600
Speaker 6: I'd be like, Mickey, Yeah, you'd have to stand. The

1487
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 6: guy's come at you hard, they lower their shoulder, and

1488
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 6: then you had to fall down. And they were trying

1489
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,000
Speaker 6: to teach us how to fall like I don't want

1490
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,520
Speaker 6: to learn how. No, let somebody else do that.

1491
01:07:56,840 --> 01:07:59,520
Speaker 5: I was good at that, defensively, that's what I was.

1492
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 6: I'm I'm not falling.

1493
01:08:01,840 --> 01:08:03,720
Speaker 5: Oh they call me Roger Dord.

1494
01:08:04,520 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 8: So our coach would like you'd have the drill, and

1495
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,400
Speaker 8: if you didn't do the drill right, you got back

1496
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:11,440
Speaker 8: in there to take it again.

1497
01:08:11,960 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 6: But inevitably, same thing, Like my coaches did the same thing,

1498
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 6: and inevitably I'd get one that was satisfactory. But I

1499
01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:22,120
Speaker 6: always thought it was the stupidest thing ever. Anyway, he

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01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 6: took a legit charge. So there is a stretch in

1501
01:08:25,280 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 6: the fourth quarter where Zion is unguardable. Lebron's on him,

1502
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,760
Speaker 6: Davis is on him, Ruy Hachimora's on him. None of

1503
01:08:31,840 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 6: them can do anything. He scores his fortieth point to

1504
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 6: tie the game with three minutes a little bit more

1505
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:38,760
Speaker 6: then left in the game. Now, we rarely get to

1506
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 6: see the Lakers because they're usually on ten o'clock, so

1507
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 6: we don't get to see him.

1508
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:43,919
Speaker 8: And we don't get to see the Pelicans, no.

1509
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:48,120
Speaker 6: Neither one. So he scores it's his fortieth point, and

1510
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 6: then he goes to the bench and Reggie and Harland

1511
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:52,000
Speaker 6: are on the call and they're like, oh, he's grimacing.

1512
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 6: Now I never saw him grimace. Then all of a

1513
01:08:54,400 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 6: sudden he gets to the bench, he's kind of like

1514
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 6: doubled over a little bit. Next thing I know, he

1515
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 6: goes to a locker room and he's done, and he's out.

1516
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 6: He's done. So look they're up one. I think when

1517
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,120
Speaker 6: he hits D'Angelo Russell on the corner, the Angel hits

1518
01:09:07,120 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 6: a huge three, puts him up four and it's over.

1519
01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:11,760
Speaker 6: But like, we'll never know how that was gonna finish

1520
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 6: because they had no answer for him.

1521
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 8: No, they really didn't. I was I kept saying it.

1522
01:09:17,160 --> 01:09:20,240
Speaker 8: I'm like, I think Zion might pull that out.

1523
01:09:20,360 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 6: Well, they weren't guarding him. There was nothing that they

1524
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,840
Speaker 6: could do. He was gonna score any time he wanted.

1525
01:09:25,479 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 5: And he's now out for the Thursday game.

1526
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 6: Sounds like it.

1527
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, no, he's out there.

1528
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 6: Oh really and it's like a left land string. Oh

1529
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:34,120
Speaker 6: it's a hammy.

1530
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 5: Yeah. Guy can't catch a break.

1531
01:09:36,960 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 6: So he can't stay healthy. This year he plays shape

1532
01:09:39,320 --> 01:09:39,760
Speaker 6: isn't the best.

1533
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 5: He played seventy games, which is a career high, thirty

1534
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 5: one and a half minutes a game, fifty seven percent

1535
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:47,400
Speaker 5: from the floor, thirty three percent from three, seventy percent

1536
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 5: from the line, six boards, five assists, a steal, and

1537
01:09:50,280 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 5: twenty three points a game.

1538
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 6: I mean, he's here's what he reminds me of he's

1539
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,360
Speaker 6: he's Sixers Charles Barklay.

1540
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's what he is. It's more boards.

1541
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 6: He is barrel. Yeah, of course, Chuck always they always

1542
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:04,160
Speaker 6: complain about that with him, like why is he not rebound?

1543
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 6: He shaveraged ten rebounds a game. He is downhill. Yes,

1544
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,720
Speaker 6: to the rim. If you're shooting fifty seven percent and

1545
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,320
Speaker 6: he has a ball in his hand a lot, it's

1546
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:14,040
Speaker 6: to the rim, downhill, over and over again.

1547
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1548
01:10:14,439 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 6: He needs is no touch, he.

1549
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 5: Needs that three throw percent to be up to eighty.

1550
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's crazy, but it delivered. It was pretty great.

1551
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:23,240
Speaker 6: And then tonight it's the Heat and the Sixers.

1552
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 5: So that's a good game.

1553
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 6: Well that's huge because the Sixers could win the East

1554
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:29,360
Speaker 6: because now they have himbed back.

1555
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 5: So young, Sir Charles Young, Sir Charles Charles Young.

1556
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 6: What year are you going?

1557
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 5: We'll start in his second year in the league. We'll

1558
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 5: start in eighty five, all right, go ahead, nineteen eighty five,

1559
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 5: Sir Charles Barkley sixty percent from the floor, sixty eight

1560
01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 5: percent from the line, thirteen boards, four assists, twenty a game.

1561
01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,679
Speaker 5: The very his third year in the league. He shoots

1562
01:10:52,720 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 5: sixty four percent from the floor leads league. In fact,

1563
01:10:55,160 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 5: he'd go on to lead the league in field goal

1564
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:00,679
Speaker 5: percent for five consecutive seasons from its six four, eighty seven,

1565
01:11:00,800 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 5: eighty eight, eighty nine and ninety he would shoot, he'd

1566
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 5: improve his free throw percentage get up to the mid seventies.

1567
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,120
Speaker 5: That year, he also led the NBA in rebounds per

1568
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 5: game fourteen point six, five assists twenty three game. Then

1569
01:11:13,200 --> 01:11:15,439
Speaker 5: he goes to twenty eight point three and twelve, twenty

1570
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,200
Speaker 5: six and twelve and a half, twenty five and twelve,

1571
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 5: twenty eight and ten, twenty three and eleven, twenty six

1572
01:11:22,640 --> 01:11:25,920
Speaker 5: and twelve, twenty shoo and eleven twenty three and eleven

1573
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 5: twenty three and twelve twenty and fourteen.

1574
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,320
Speaker 6: What's the Sun's year when he first got there, when

1575
01:11:31,320 --> 01:11:32,240
Speaker 6: he won the MVP.

1576
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:34,120
Speaker 5: I went through all of those, so that would have

1577
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 5: been by the way, that was we're going twenty and

1578
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 5: ten for decades for a decade. Yeah.

1579
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 6: Plus.

1580
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,599
Speaker 5: He ended his career at the age of thirty six

1581
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 5: shooting fifty one percent from the floor, sixty five percent

1582
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,120
Speaker 5: from the line, ten and a half boards, three assists,

1583
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 5: fourteen and a half a game. That's at thirty six

1584
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 5: years old. His first year in Phoenix, when he wins

1585
01:11:52,479 --> 01:11:56,799
Speaker 5: the MVP of the NBA. Fifty six percent from the floor,

1586
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 5: thirty percent from three, seventy seven percent from the line,

1587
01:12:00,920 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 5: twelve point two boards, five point one assists, two steals,

1588
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,200
Speaker 5: a block, and twenty two points a game, twenty six.

1589
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:09,040
Speaker 6: Twenty six.

1590
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 8: Yeah, by the way, that eighty five, six, seventy six, erteen,

1591
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,639
Speaker 8: Barkley mo Cheeks.

1592
01:12:17,960 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Doctor j Yep, yep.

1593
01:12:21,439 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 8: Moses Malone, huh, Mose Malone, belone, Bob McAdoo.

1594
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:26,080
Speaker 5: What's the deal?

1595
01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 6: They just got old. They went towards the end.

1596
01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 8: They born twenty eight and finished second in the East

1597
01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 8: to the Celtics Maddy Gukas.

1598
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 6: That was just they were petering out. That was Doctor

1599
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:38,479
Speaker 6: j had maybe one or two du jays last year

1600
01:12:38,520 --> 01:12:40,640
Speaker 6: when say was eighty seven, but so they were just

1601
01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:44,760
Speaker 6: petering out. They traded Moses to the Bullets shortly thereafter,

1602
01:12:46,320 --> 01:12:47,679
Speaker 6: and they just they ran out of steam.

1603
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,120
Speaker 8: He had one more year, eighty six, eighty seven for

1604
01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 8: Doctor Joe.

1605
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that was it. Yeah, it was fun, Yeah,

1606
01:12:55,080 --> 01:12:56,800
Speaker 6: it was It was fun. Last night. I liked it.

1607
01:12:56,920 --> 01:12:59,120
Speaker 6: I liked the one off. Honestly, hockey should do it.

1608
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 6: I believe hockey's not doing it. They should do it.

1609
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:04,599
Speaker 6: They're the best thing. I mean, the most drama filled

1610
01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:06,360
Speaker 6: is a Game seven in the Stanley Cup because it's

1611
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,320
Speaker 6: so random. Yeah, like, they should do it. They had

1612
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 6: four teams at the bottom of the East and the

1613
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:13,960
Speaker 6: NHL separated by one point, Like one of them's Pittsburgh,

1614
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 6: one of them's Detroit. That would win.

1615
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:21,559
Speaker 8: So tonight's NBA games heat seventy six ers, both of

1616
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:29,360
Speaker 8: which are ten and twelve games above five hundred. Hawks Bowls.

1617
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,679
Speaker 8: There's some nice garbage for you. Thirty six and forty

1618
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:34,559
Speaker 8: six and thirty nine and forty three.

1619
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:38,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's an example of it not working. The Western.

1620
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 5: The West West, ten games over five hundred.

1621
01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 6: That damn the Warriors. They won forty six games forty

1622
01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 6: six and they're.

1623
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,200
Speaker 5: Out by the way. So this I'm on Pro Basketball Reference.

1624
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 5: Would you mind indulging me as I go through the

1625
01:13:51,200 --> 01:13:54,360
Speaker 5: nicknames that it has listed for as official nicknames of

1626
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:55,600
Speaker 5: Charles Barklay.

1627
01:13:55,360 --> 01:13:57,920
Speaker 6: Sir Charles, round mound of rebound. Okay, those are the

1628
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 6: first two round moound of rebounds.

1629
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 5: Great, it was great, Sir Charles around mound to rebound.

1630
01:14:02,120 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 5: The Chuckster, the chuck Wagon, I remember that this, I

1631
01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 5: don't remember the Prince of Pizza, the Incredible Bulk, the

1632
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:15,160
Speaker 5: Leaning Tower of Pizza, the Bread Truck Boy, Gorge Boy, Gorge,

1633
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:19,679
Speaker 5: Love Boat, Food World, the Crisco Kid, the Wide Load

1634
01:14:19,720 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 5: from Leeds, Ton of Fun, and the Good Time Blimp.

1635
01:14:24,080 --> 01:14:27,439
Speaker 6: Like he's Oliver Miller. He was at no point, No,

1636
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:33,639
Speaker 6: he was. He was always Yeah, it's like Zion bounding around.

1637
01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:36,160
Speaker 5: No. And I had heard of Sir Charles around mount

1638
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 5: to rebound, the Chuckster and the chuck Wagon to the

1639
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:39,559
Speaker 5: Prince of Peter.

1640
01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:42,120
Speaker 8: Any of the other ones. You might go through the

1641
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:43,880
Speaker 8: window like someone else did here.

1642
01:14:43,760 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 6: In was that in here? When that happened? Oh, I

1643
01:14:47,800 --> 01:14:49,519
Speaker 6: didn't know that he threw somebody through that that that

1644
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:50,040
Speaker 6: happened here?

1645
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:54,360
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, Charles got himself into a hot water a

1646
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:55,200
Speaker 8: couple of times here.

1647
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 6: He always likes it here, though doesn't He's always excited

1648
01:14:57,520 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 6: when we come when he comes here, he loves Yeah.

1649
01:15:00,160 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 6: All right, Brugler has his seven round mock. I think

1650
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 6: it would be a it'd be disingenuous of me to

1651
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 6: act like I know anything about any of these guys.

1652
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,080
Speaker 6: I mean position that's what I was gonna go by,

1653
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 6: So let's go positionally. So second round he has him

1654
01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:18,280
Speaker 6: taking defensive tackle Mason Smith.

1655
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 5: Okay, that makes sense, and then they take the guy

1656
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 5: I'm a gadage from Yale that I've been talking about

1657
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:25,679
Speaker 5: quite a bit.

1658
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:26,800
Speaker 6: The tackle yep.

1659
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:29,559
Speaker 5: So the third in the third round, Dane is usually

1660
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:32,800
Speaker 5: I think, kind of dialed into what we're looking at.

1661
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,879
Speaker 5: So he has defensive tackle of I think the positions,

1662
01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:40,040
Speaker 5: if you're thinking about it, are both of defensive tackle,

1663
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 5: offensive tackle, wide receiver, running back, linebacker.

1664
01:15:43,120 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 6: So then the next three Taj Washington, wide receiver at

1665
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:50,599
Speaker 6: a USC, JD. Bertrand linebacker at a Notre Dame, Isaiah Davis,

1666
01:15:50,680 --> 01:15:52,920
Speaker 6: running back out of the South Dakota State, and then

1667
01:15:52,960 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 6: a guard Javon Cohen. My Amma, we'll see.

1668
01:15:58,280 --> 01:15:59,800
Speaker 5: I wonder if that's the U. Is that the U

1669
01:15:59,880 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 5: or a RedHawks.

1670
01:16:00,840 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 6: I think it would be the I think that would

1671
01:16:02,160 --> 01:16:04,640
Speaker 6: be the U because I think otherwise say Miami you

1672
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 6: That's my guess for those interested. At the top, he

1673
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 6: has Jadeen Daniels going to Washington at too. He has

1674
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 6: Drake May going three to New England. He has a

1675
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 6: trade for Minnesota up for JJ McCarthy at four with Arizona,

1676
01:16:19,640 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 6: the Steelers drafting center Graham Barton out of Duke, the

1677
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 6: Ravens drafting offensive tackle Jordan Morgan out of Arizona, and

1678
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 6: the Bengals drafting Byron Murphy the defensive tackle out of Texas.

1679
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 6: Can have Marv fifth, then Marv to Chargers fifth?

1680
01:16:34,600 --> 01:16:38,200
Speaker 7: Can I say he actually has Arizona trading back up

1681
01:16:38,240 --> 01:16:41,840
Speaker 7: to five to get Marvin Marvin instead of the Chargers.

1682
01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:43,120
Speaker 6: Which I could see.

1683
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:43,760
Speaker 5: I could see that.

1684
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 7: So they trade out with Minnesota and then they use

1685
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 7: one of Minnesota's picks to get back up.

1686
01:16:48,400 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 6: Okay, and then they net a pick in the process.

1687
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:54,479
Speaker 5: I believe that when I see this and I see

1688
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,920
Speaker 5: Steelers center Ravens tackle, Bengals defensive tackle. The defensive tackle

1689
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 5: not as much, but wouldn't teams you draft offensive lineman.

1690
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 5: I like that when they draft offensive linemen when they

1691
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:06,519
Speaker 5: just don't save a weapon.

1692
01:17:06,880 --> 01:17:08,960
Speaker 6: Yes, easy, I'll take it.

1693
01:17:09,080 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 5: Take it like. That doesn't scare me at all. No, huh,

1694
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,679
Speaker 5: weapons scare me. That doesn't scare me. And I think

1695
01:17:15,720 --> 01:17:17,320
Speaker 5: part of it is because I was here at a

1696
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 5: time when we had, for sure the best offensive line

1697
01:17:20,120 --> 01:17:24,320
Speaker 5: in the NFL, and it didn't really matter. We had

1698
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:28,120
Speaker 5: Joe Thomas, Joel Batonio, Alex mack Greco, and Mitchell Schwartz.

1699
01:17:29,680 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 6: So fatigued when I hear that we've got to get

1700
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 6: better on the offensive line forever, I would just say,

1701
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,320
Speaker 6: name me the starting offensive line for Tom Brady.

1702
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 5: And by the way, like the Niners offensive line was terrible,

1703
01:17:42,960 --> 01:17:45,839
Speaker 5: name the name the starting offensive line. On the Chiefs,

1704
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:48,120
Speaker 5: it just Creed Humphrey, right.

1705
01:17:48,479 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 6: And with the Patriots Logan Mankins, okay, who else? Like

1706
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:53,600
Speaker 6: do the same thing with the Colts when Manning was

1707
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 6: there then Jeff Saturday.

1708
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:55,120
Speaker 5: Who do you know?

1709
01:17:55,920 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 6: Doesn't matter, doesn't matter, They're all not to minimize the position.

1710
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 6: I'm just saying that you just you don't need it

1711
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 6: to be excellent. You just needed to be compet competent.

1712
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:09,879
Speaker 5: Now that can get you in a one game scenario

1713
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 5: where a team's defensive line can overwhelm your offensive line.

1714
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 5: We saw that with the Chiefs overwhelming the Bengals. We

1715
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,559
Speaker 5: saw that with well you saw Tampareo overwhelm the Chiefs. Yes,

1716
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 5: that can happen. Yes, you still got to the Super

1717
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 5: Bowl for the AFC Championship game. So why because you

1718
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:23,839
Speaker 5: have a wizard, because and you have weapons.

1719
01:18:23,920 --> 01:18:26,120
Speaker 6: Yes, that's that's kind of the way that it goes.

1720
01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 6: All right, Oh, this will be fun. A little higher lower,

1721
01:18:30,240 --> 01:18:34,519
Speaker 6: biggest NFL draft bus since nineteen ninety. Oh, this is fun.

1722
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 6: I wonder what we should do here? Is if we

1723
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 6: should you tell us the year? How could we do this?

1724
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,360
Speaker 6: We had talk in the break Well, I haven't even

1725
01:18:43,400 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 6: looked at that. I haven't even looked at I want

1726
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 6: to try to guess them. I haven't looked at it,

1727
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 6: all right, because I do think there's a correct answer

1728
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:52,640
Speaker 6: at number one that doesn't get brought up enough. All right,

1729
01:18:52,680 --> 01:18:54,240
Speaker 6: we'll get to all of that. Cleveland brown Zaily eight

1730
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Speaker 5: If only you had to have an airlight, Gibbe, if only,

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Speaker 5: if only, I feel like we've missed an opportunity to

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Speaker 8: This's is from cbssports dot com. Let's go the ten

1741
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 8: biggest NFL draft busts since nineteen ninety.

1742
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:57,800
Speaker 6: Okay, I like this. I have not looked at this

1743
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:58,439
Speaker 6: list so far.

1744
01:19:58,560 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 8: For the bust list, you have to be at least

1745
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 8: a top ten pick.

1746
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 6: I think that's smart for anything. That's very thought.

1747
01:20:06,280 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 8: Johnny flamed out of the NFL after being selected with

1748
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 8: a twenty third overall pick in twenty fourteen. It's not

1749
01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,840
Speaker 8: as ugly as the time other people in the top

1750
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 8: ten flamed out.

1751
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 6: I agree with NFL. I think this is a smart

1752
01:20:18,439 --> 01:20:19,920
Speaker 6: way to do this. I don't think you should have

1753
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,680
Speaker 6: guys in the twenties now.

1754
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 8: Would be the other thing that they put into it.

1755
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:28,599
Speaker 8: The team's decision making process going into the pick could

1756
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 8: factor into these rankings as well.

1757
01:20:31,400 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1758
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:37,559
Speaker 8: I believe y'all want to guess the ten guys and

1759
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 8: then we can go through where they're ranked.

1760
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:43,479
Speaker 6: Or well, I why don't why don't you give I

1761
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 6: wrote down some you wrote down right down? Why don't

1762
01:20:46,360 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 6: you give me your list and then we'll do that.

1763
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:49,160
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, I'll let you know if you

1764
01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 6: have we have a guy that's on it. Okay, all right,

1765
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 6: I think there is a again, if not looked at

1766
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:58,120
Speaker 6: the list, the clear biggest bust in my lifetime in

1767
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,360
Speaker 6: the NFL draft is JaMarcus Russell.

1768
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:02,720
Speaker 8: He is on the list, but I'm not telling you

1769
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 8: where he so that is would be number one. He

1770
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 8: should be number one for a long time. My boy

1771
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,479
Speaker 8: Leaf got a lot of stuff for being number one.

1772
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:13,559
Speaker 8: Russell went number one overall. Correct, Yes, Russell's the right

1773
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:15,960
Speaker 8: answer at number one, JaMarcus Russell. I agree, So I

1774
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 8: have him. Okay, I do have my guy Leaf. Yep,

1775
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 8: I have got on this list.

1776
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:23,720
Speaker 6: Ryan Leaf, and you have JaMarcus too, right, I have

1777
01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 6: JaMarcus as well.

1778
01:21:24,600 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 5: I have Achille Smith. I have Achille Smith. He is

1779
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 5: on this list. I've got Rick Meyer.

1780
01:21:31,479 --> 01:21:32,679
Speaker 6: Rick Meyer's a good one.

1781
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 5: What year was rick Meyer?

1782
01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:34,360
Speaker 1: Though?

1783
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:37,400
Speaker 5: He would have been second numbers nineteen ninety three?

1784
01:21:38,040 --> 01:21:41,000
Speaker 6: Yeah he should be. He Actually he might have won

1785
01:21:41,080 --> 01:21:43,280
Speaker 6: like Rookie of the Year though he is not on

1786
01:21:43,320 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 6: this list. He might have been competent that first year

1787
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 6: in Seattle. But he was a disaster. He would not

1788
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 6: go well. Did not go well?

1789
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,080
Speaker 5: I mean no, disaster. No, he was the UPI Rookie

1790
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 5: of the Year.

1791
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,599
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he was like three passable the one.

1792
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 5: Year, fifty six completions, twenty and thirty three yards, twelve

1793
01:22:01,960 --> 01:22:04,920
Speaker 5: touchdowns and seventeen picks and leading the league with forty

1794
01:22:04,920 --> 01:22:05,920
Speaker 5: seven sacks taken.

1795
01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 6: Is that's rookie of the year worthy? In the quarterback

1796
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 6: sixty seven? Is it's all it takes.

1797
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 5: Though his career quarterback rating sixty three point five. She

1798
01:22:13,320 --> 01:22:14,200
Speaker 5: should be on this list.

1799
01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:18,000
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's not even in the honorable mention. Talk about

1800
01:22:18,439 --> 01:22:21,280
Speaker 6: Mitch Trubisky. In fact, I think Mitch Trubisky should be

1801
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:23,679
Speaker 6: ahead of Leaf. I know he's a Northeast Ohio guy.

1802
01:22:23,840 --> 01:22:26,400
Speaker 6: He went to a playoff though, dude, but he was

1803
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:30,879
Speaker 6: picked head. He was picked ahead of Mahomes and Watson.

1804
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,800
Speaker 8: If you take in the bar, you take into the thinking.

1805
01:22:35,400 --> 01:22:38,160
Speaker 6: They were drafting a quarterback. They traded up to draft

1806
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:40,120
Speaker 6: him in a class that was loaded.

1807
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:42,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, I hear you.

1808
01:22:42,320 --> 01:22:43,960
Speaker 8: He is not on this list.

1809
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:48,240
Speaker 6: He was on mine. You mentioned Achille, right, Yeah, I did.

1810
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:51,960
Speaker 5: I also have from that Okay, so I had Kyle Bowler,

1811
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:55,120
Speaker 5: but he was in nineteenth Overallsome across him. Off the list.

1812
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 5: Keijohn Carter.

1813
01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,920
Speaker 6: Blew out his knee. Not for ever played. He is

1814
01:23:00,960 --> 01:23:03,560
Speaker 6: a total bust. But he blew out his knee in preseason,

1815
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,960
Speaker 6: and in those days, you blow out a knee, you're done.

1816
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:08,880
Speaker 6: So like that's one of those ones where usually he

1817
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:12,040
Speaker 6: doesn't get credit for a bust because he got hurt

1818
01:23:12,080 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 6: right away.

1819
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 5: It's unfortunate, but.

1820
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 6: I think he got I think he blew out his

1821
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:18,320
Speaker 6: knee in the first preseason game.

1822
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 5: If I remember, he never like he was never the same,

1823
01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:23,559
Speaker 5: never ran for more than five hundred yards in a season,

1824
01:23:23,600 --> 01:23:25,760
Speaker 5: and in fact, only topped three hundred yards in two

1825
01:23:25,800 --> 01:23:26,400
Speaker 5: of his six.

1826
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,920
Speaker 6: In those days, an acl low was a career ender.

1827
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 6: You just couldn't You couldn't fix it. It's still I mean,

1828
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:33,120
Speaker 6: I agree with you. I'm not disputing it. I'm just saying,

1829
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,200
Speaker 6: like usually for injury, they don't go that way. I

1830
01:23:35,240 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 6: don't know if the if this I think this is

1831
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 6: in the timeframe is Tony Mandrich.

1832
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 5: I have Tony maners on my list that might have

1833
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:41,880
Speaker 5: been because it's eighty nine.

1834
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:44,200
Speaker 6: I think it's Tony Mandrich goes second, So it goes

1835
01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:48,400
Speaker 6: Aikman first, Mandrid second. The third pick is Deon Sanders.

1836
01:23:48,439 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 6: The fourth pick is Barry Sanders. Derek Thomas is also

1837
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 6: in that draft.

1838
01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:53,880
Speaker 5: So Tony Manders should be on the list.

1839
01:23:53,880 --> 01:23:56,519
Speaker 6: But yeah, I think it. But the people picked directly

1840
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 6: behind him or start on the all time NFL team. Yeah,

1841
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:01,520
Speaker 6: the two guys picked behind.

1842
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:06,000
Speaker 5: Him eighty nine. Sorry, I had a couple other ones

1843
01:24:06,040 --> 01:24:07,639
Speaker 5: that I don't know if they are all. I don't

1844
01:24:07,640 --> 01:24:09,960
Speaker 5: know if they paul it my I mean, okay, so

1845
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:13,960
Speaker 5: Mike Mamula, Oh yeah, but does he top ten seventh overall?

1846
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 8: Not on the list, not on.

1847
01:24:16,120 --> 01:24:19,120
Speaker 6: The list, but it's pretty crazy. Justin Gilbert's gotta be

1848
01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:19,479
Speaker 6: on the list.

1849
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 5: I have Justin Gilbert. Justin Gilbert is on the list. Yeah,

1850
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:24,480
Speaker 5: I mean he's got to be on list. Brian Bosworth

1851
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:25,559
Speaker 5: or is that eighties?

1852
01:24:25,840 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 6: I don't think that was the eighties, And I don't

1853
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:29,639
Speaker 6: know that Boz was a bust buzz Boz got hurt

1854
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,400
Speaker 6: with the shoulder too. People remember him getting run over

1855
01:24:32,479 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 6: by bo But in the his first year he was

1856
01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 6: actually pretty good player and then his shoulder was broken.

1857
01:24:38,320 --> 01:24:41,559
Speaker 5: So I mean he got four out of the twenty

1858
01:24:41,560 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 5: four games in his career.

1859
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,280
Speaker 6: His shoulder, it was done. You have to in those days.

1860
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 6: You get a you got one of those injuries, you're cooked.

1861
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:47,639
Speaker 5: Cooked.

1862
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,640
Speaker 6: You couldn't play the eighties anyway.

1863
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,680
Speaker 5: So I'm gonna give one that it doesn't he doesn't fit.

1864
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,720
Speaker 5: But was on my list that I remembered very well

1865
01:24:54,800 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 5: was Dan McGuire. Yeah. Dan McGuire was the sixteenth overall pick.

1866
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:03,240
Speaker 5: It's like six eight right of the Seattle Seahawks. His

1867
01:25:03,400 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 5: career stats are seven hundred and forty five yards to

1868
01:25:06,479 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 5: touchdown six picks and he's picked sixteenth overall. But he

1869
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 5: doesn't qualify. So Mamola, you said, Mamola, not on the list, Nope.

1870
01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 6: But about Mariota, is he on it?

1871
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 5: Nope?

1872
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 6: He was second about.

1873
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,760
Speaker 5: It all took him to Titans the playoff a few time.

1874
01:25:20,760 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 5: I mean, was never about two thousand and three. I

1875
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,240
Speaker 5: have Courtney Brown on the list. He was an honorable.

1876
01:25:25,840 --> 01:25:27,920
Speaker 6: Mention Courtney Brown. Did he get hurt here?

1877
01:25:27,960 --> 01:25:28,839
Speaker 5: On Errington?

1878
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,400
Speaker 6: No? Errington was a good player with he was.

1879
01:25:31,360 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 5: A good stylid.

1880
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:32,160
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1881
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:33,080
Speaker 5: Not a bust? Yeah?

1882
01:25:33,200 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 6: No, my bad? Uh Courtney got hurt? Is that what

1883
01:25:36,280 --> 01:25:38,040
Speaker 6: that was with him? Gerard Warren?

1884
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:40,800
Speaker 5: What about him? Should have been a bust?

1885
01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:41,400
Speaker 3: Uh?

1886
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 8: The honorable mention, not him. It was Courtney Brown and

1887
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,280
Speaker 8: Trent Richardson. I had Richardson on my list.

1888
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was honorable mention. Yeah, at least a good rookie.

1889
01:25:51,600 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 6: He was one of those ones that, like if you

1890
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,240
Speaker 6: would have said, like Trent Richardson, felt like about the

1891
01:25:55,280 --> 01:25:57,200
Speaker 6: safest pick ever, Like I didn't know you never pick

1892
01:25:57,200 --> 01:25:59,160
Speaker 6: a running back that high, but it felt like, well,

1893
01:25:59,160 --> 01:26:00,280
Speaker 6: he's not going to be a bus It's like you

1894
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 6: got a player and then all of a sudden he

1895
01:26:02,360 --> 01:26:03,120
Speaker 6: couldn't see holes.

1896
01:26:03,280 --> 01:26:04,400
Speaker 5: Nineteen ninety two.

1897
01:26:06,320 --> 01:26:10,920
Speaker 6: I've got David this year before David Klingler Cincinnati. That's

1898
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 6: the year before, the year before Bledsoe, Bledsoe's ninety three?

1899
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,320
Speaker 5: Is it not Clingler? It's not what who is? Oh?

1900
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:20,000
Speaker 5: He went for it?

1901
01:26:20,120 --> 01:26:23,000
Speaker 8: Nineteen ninety two. Can I interest you in the spirit

1902
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:26,240
Speaker 8: of time, Andre Ware, No, he's honorable mention?

1903
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:27,680
Speaker 10: Uh.

1904
01:26:27,800 --> 01:26:31,360
Speaker 8: Can I interest you in Steve Empman, oh Washington.

1905
01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:33,639
Speaker 6: At the University of Washington. He went number one overall.

1906
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 6: Quentin Corriott went number two overall. I picked first and

1907
01:26:36,760 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 6: second Coriott, linebacker at Texas A and M and then

1908
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:40,960
Speaker 6: em and the defensive lineman out.

1909
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 5: Of Washington by the way.

1910
01:26:42,040 --> 01:26:47,960
Speaker 8: Honorable mention Jeff George nineteen ninety You.

1911
01:26:47,920 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 6: Should have done that for thirty seconds a second.

1912
01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:53,200
Speaker 5: They don't have no Rick Meyers nowhere to be found.

1913
01:26:53,320 --> 01:26:57,080
Speaker 5: Jeff George, two different teams of the playoffs. That's outraged.

1914
01:26:57,760 --> 01:26:58,800
Speaker 6: He's an honorable mention.

1915
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,959
Speaker 8: No, Jeff George is honorable mention.

1916
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:02,599
Speaker 6: Honorable mention.

1917
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 5: He really is an honorable menable.

1918
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 6: All right, who are your ten? Who are their ten?

1919
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:06,400
Speaker 5: Biggest?

1920
01:27:07,040 --> 01:27:07,160
Speaker 10: Here?

1921
01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:09,120
Speaker 5: Here we go lance it.

1922
01:27:09,400 --> 01:27:14,040
Speaker 8: Trey Lance's number one is JaMarcus Russell. Number two is

1923
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:19,600
Speaker 8: Ryan Leif, number three is Achilles Smith. Number four is

1924
01:27:19,680 --> 01:27:25,280
Speaker 8: Trey Lance. Number five from two thousand and three, Charles Rogers,

1925
01:27:25,560 --> 01:27:28,200
Speaker 8: Oh gos lyons wide receive Yeah. They picked him second

1926
01:27:28,240 --> 01:27:32,519
Speaker 8: overall number six from nineteen ninety six. The sixth overall

1927
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 8: pick Lawrence Phillips, Oh my God, from nineteen ninety four.

1928
01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:46,519
Speaker 8: The third overall pick Heath Shuler. Steve MPMan was number eight.

1929
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:52,439
Speaker 8: Honorable mention Jeff George number nine, twenty twelve, fifth overall

1930
01:27:52,479 --> 01:27:58,400
Speaker 8: pick Justin Blackman, Honorable mention, Blame Gabbert. Number ten is

1931
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 8: Justin Gilbert. An honorable mention on this list. Vernon Golston

1932
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:04,760
Speaker 8: two thousand and.

1933
01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:08,040
Speaker 6: Eight, he got picked that hikes. He had three sacks

1934
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,479
Speaker 6: against Jake Long in the Michigan game. Yep, and Jake

1935
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:12,920
Speaker 6: Long was no, it's got sacks on him.

1936
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 5: Justin Blackman ended up out bus. But his first year

1937
01:28:20,520 --> 01:28:24,360
Speaker 5: in the league just he played eighteen games. In his career,

1938
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 5: he had twelve hundred and eighty yards, six touchdowns, fourteen

1939
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:28,400
Speaker 5: yards of catch.

1940
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 6: That's not so if he's a bus. It's the same

1941
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:32,679
Speaker 6: way that John of Carter's a bus.

1942
01:28:32,920 --> 01:28:36,280
Speaker 5: But he could. But he's been better than cold John Carter,

1943
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:36,720
Speaker 5: everyone but.

1944
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 6: K John never never even had one healthy season, but

1945
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 6: he had his first year four. My point is is

1946
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,720
Speaker 6: there was something that derailed the career.

1947
01:28:42,720 --> 01:28:45,160
Speaker 5: The second year Blackman, and I remember this from fantasy,

1948
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:48,839
Speaker 5: he only played four games before he got in trouble,

1949
01:28:49,400 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 5: and he had twenty nine catches for four hundred and

1950
01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:52,920
Speaker 5: fifteen yards and four games he was leading the league

1951
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:54,479
Speaker 5: with one hundred and four yards per game. So like,

1952
01:28:55,960 --> 01:28:58,680
Speaker 5: that's like saying like he didn't fulfill his potential.

1953
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:00,000
Speaker 6: That's different than bus.

1954
01:29:00,320 --> 01:29:01,360
Speaker 5: Yes, so real.

1955
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:05,479
Speaker 8: Quick, we gotta go to break the honorable mentions. Troy Williamson, Vikings,

1956
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:10,000
Speaker 8: Jason Smith Rams, Yeah, I remember that Jake Locker, Titan

1957
01:29:10,520 --> 01:29:16,640
Speaker 8: cerdn't make this, Dave Klingler, Kajana Carter, John Ross, Andre.

1958
01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 5: Winer, George's outraged.

1959
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:21,519
Speaker 6: Mike Williams, he's on the list, I know Williams. Yeah,

1960
01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 6: who else?

1961
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 8: Uh, Courtney Brown, Trent Richardson and Blaine Gabbert.

1962
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:26,599
Speaker 5: There you go.

1963
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,320
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1964
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1965
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1966
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,479
Speaker 6: The crazy thing about lists like that is then you

1967
01:30:01,479 --> 01:30:04,839
Speaker 6: start remembering those drafts and all of the other ones

1968
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,439
Speaker 6: that had happened in that time, and you think of

1969
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 6: the excitement in the moment of you feel like you've

1970
01:30:10,640 --> 01:30:13,080
Speaker 6: landed a guy.

1971
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:16,639
Speaker 5: You don't hear, like in a draft analysis once when

1972
01:30:16,640 --> 01:30:18,479
Speaker 5: he gets drafted, all you hear about how they're gonna

1973
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,600
Speaker 5: be good of course. Yeah, so yeah, yeah, it's like

1974
01:30:21,600 --> 01:30:24,160
Speaker 5: a foregotten clusion. Oh dude, got it, Dude, here we go,

1975
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 5: Achille Smith.

1976
01:30:25,640 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 6: That's right, Cade McNown Remember that one is a bit

1977
01:30:28,320 --> 01:30:32,040
Speaker 6: like in the Bears. Yeah, no, it's it's wild all right,

1978
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 6: good stuff, next levels coming up next, We're back tomorrow,

1979
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1980
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1981
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