Speaker 1: Welcome to her Decisions. I am super excited for today's episode.
Speaker 1: My name is Wheezy, a booty bandit and uh I
Speaker 1: shot my shot for the guests that we have. I
Speaker 1: took a very thought e photo with her book between
Speaker 1: my legs in Mexico. Mainly I was like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: reading this at yellow my bag in the suits yellow,
Speaker 1: but um, we have a guest in and she wrote
Speaker 1: this book that I'm in love with. And by the way,
Speaker 1: so I just want to read the back of the
Speaker 1: book cause I was like, how do I find this bit?
Speaker 1: And then at the end of it it says she
Speaker 1: curates the annual legacy of the Witch Charity Festival in Brooklyn,
Speaker 1: New York, and I was like, oh my god. So
Speaker 1: I googled your name and then I saw some professional
Speaker 1: email and I was like, man, let me do the
Speaker 1: Graham and I'm so got it right. I was actually
Speaker 1: at the bar and I was like, what the I mean?
Speaker 1: I love people take amazing photos, but that was a
Speaker 1: amazing photo and like, as I drank. Also, I got
Speaker 1: so many followers you know that happened. So I was like,
Speaker 1: holy sh it, thank you and totally heard of your
Speaker 1: podcast and I'm actually like, this is bad to say,
Speaker 1: but I don't listen to podcasts a lot, but I
Speaker 1: listened to like specific episodes and I've listened because Vice
Speaker 1: after they covered you, I was like, yeah, introduce yourself please,
Speaker 1: So yeah, my name is Kristin sole a ak Kristen
Speaker 1: Corvette on the internet just because I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like a trashy car and definitely like the trash car.
Speaker 1: Kristin Corvette sounds super like fu. I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: like a trashy car, but it's not like a fancy car,
Speaker 1: right right right, I can afford it. I don't actually
Speaker 1: have a fucking corvette yet, So that's like on the list.
Speaker 1: I googled your book like to like get some info
Speaker 1: on it, like before I was doing this, and like
Speaker 1: you're all over the internet, like you're top ten, this
Speaker 1: top ten thatt that's humble. So they can't afford modest,
Speaker 1: can't afford like you know, it doesn't always translate to dollars.
Speaker 1: Feature what's set up? Still grateful, Still grateful, waiting on
Speaker 1: the Corevett listen. I'm really excited for people to pick
Speaker 1: up this book. So I want to tell you a
Speaker 1: little bit but how I found it? Um. I shop
Speaker 1: at a bookstore called Blue Stockings, activist bookstore on the
Speaker 1: Lower East Side, and I always passed by it on
Speaker 1: my walk home and your cover made me like, oh ship.
Speaker 1: I didn't even read the back of the book, but
Speaker 1: like that was good. It says her book is called Witches,
Speaker 1: Sluts and Feminists. I really love this book. Like, honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't like books with like I don't know, just
Speaker 1: too much like real stuff like I like that give
Speaker 1: me Like I was like Zane, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: fictional like a good like ghetto Rodico type of book,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But this was just a
Speaker 1: book that really resonated with me. And I mean Courter Million,
Speaker 1: which is dying like all that, Like, yeah, just tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit, like why do you write this
Speaker 1: book and what is it? Yeah? Um, So I've always
Speaker 1: been interested in X and H alternative ways of talking
Speaker 1: about sex and non normative sex, prescriptions against sex, the
Speaker 1: stigma against sexuality, especially like female sexuality, um, any kind
Speaker 1: of non normative sexuality according to like white patriarchal whatever,
Speaker 1: and so that's always been an interest. I've always been
Speaker 1: fascinated with the occult. My mom's a witch, um, but
Speaker 1: I never really connected the two until I don't know,
Speaker 1: like six seven years ago. I just really I started
Speaker 1: this site called Sluttest, and that's your website. Yeah wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: uh no, I was about to get into your mama
Speaker 1: being a wig. Okay, I just started. I have lots
Speaker 1: of wich questions because I was thinking it was going
Speaker 1: to be scarier than I thought until you broke which down. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like for real, I'm not here for the You gotta
Speaker 1: definitely wrote this book so both types of people can
Speaker 1: relate to it, and I feel like I tried to
Speaker 1: do that. You think you are maybe not in sixteen,
Speaker 1: so there is a way to look at it if
Speaker 1: you don't believe in any of that ship. My dad's
Speaker 1: a hardcore atheist, my mom's which, so they did not
Speaker 1: stay married along. But so I feel like I had
Speaker 1: a good position sort of can I can put myself
Speaker 1: in both places as I sort of run on both
Speaker 1: sides of the whatever belief systems. I'm still like I'm
Speaker 1: definitely an agnostic in a lot of ways too, but
Speaker 1: I'm also which whatever. So because of that, I felt
Speaker 1: like I was in a unique position to talk about
Speaker 1: the way women in particular have been demonized throughout history,
Speaker 1: often because of sexuality or men not understanding women's sexuality
Speaker 1: or its kind of wanting to own it and possess
Speaker 1: it and treat them like bodies to be used and discarded.
Speaker 1: And oftentimes the witch was the archetype thrust upon these women,
Speaker 1: whether they are super a Christian or atheists or just
Speaker 1: like didn't go to church or whatever, so based on
Speaker 1: their sexuality. I read something in your book that said
Speaker 1: men were able to basically sentence a woman to her
Speaker 1: death by saying she looked at them and they had
Speaker 1: sex with her, and so she must be a witch.
Speaker 1: Basically seduction absolutely, yeah, And then the opposite was true too.
Speaker 1: If a woman didn't, you know, have sex with the
Speaker 1: man she was supposed to, or maybe marry a man
Speaker 1: she was supposed to, that could also be witchcraft. If
Speaker 1: she's sharing information about reproduction or fertility, that could be
Speaker 1: which is something that's definitely that you might not know.
Speaker 1: Genital Yes, that was from Charmed, and I only know
Speaker 1: the succubus was the man eater. That's a female sexual demon.
Speaker 1: Now I read something where you said a quarter millie
Speaker 1: was it more than a quarter a million women died
Speaker 1: for being quote unquote witches. No, no no, no, no, just
Speaker 1: a little bit. So Actually the numbers are really sketchy
Speaker 1: because a lot of those incomplete records, and you know,
Speaker 1: they didn't always write down when they would murder someone.
Speaker 1: But it's actually there were I'm feminist in the seventies,
Speaker 1: I say there that said that many there were like
Speaker 1: over millions of women. But now numbers point to according
Speaker 1: to like sort of even handed social scientists, maybe like two,
Speaker 1: um fifty to two hundred thousand. But I still think
Speaker 1: the point is that this demonization happened, and it still
Speaker 1: happens in plenty countries to women died for being host
Speaker 1: pretty much a lot into being hosed. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: some of them were just like wrong place, wrong time,
Speaker 1: and people got caught up in the fervor when I
Speaker 1: met the bread the birthmark thing. We'll get into it,
Speaker 1: but that way, so, um, I wanted to get into
Speaker 1: some vanilla ships. So, Kristen, it's our segment where we
Speaker 1: talk about uh an article where we it's sex in
Speaker 1: the news in this article, I really, why do we
Speaker 1: be breaking down vanilla ships so difficult? It is? It's
Speaker 1: just sex in the news, y'all. I don't know. I
Speaker 1: want to be more articulate because it's sex in the news.
Speaker 1: It's just like a news article about so it's a
Speaker 1: Variety dot com and the headline is Terry Gillum says
Speaker 1: me too movement has transformed into mob rule. It's a
Speaker 1: world of victims. I think people did very well out
Speaker 1: of meeting with Harvey, and others didn't. The ones who
Speaker 1: did knew what they were doing. These are adults were
Speaker 1: talking about here, adults with ambition. He claimed that these
Speaker 1: women didn't actually suffer, but further their career their careers,
Speaker 1: and that he knew women who walked out of meetings
Speaker 1: with the mogul before getting sexually abused quote unquote. I
Speaker 1: feel sorry for someone like Matt Damon, who's a decent
Speaker 1: human being. He came out and said not all men
Speaker 1: are rapists, and then he got beaten to death, Like,
Speaker 1: come on, that's crazy. Despite describing the Me Too movement
Speaker 1: as simplistic and silly, he said that Weinstein was a
Speaker 1: monster and warned that there were people still in the
Speaker 1: industry like him. I don't think Hollywood will change power
Speaker 1: ticks advantage. It always doesn't always have this who wrote
Speaker 1: that A guy is Terry Gillman. It sounds like Future
Speaker 1: because Future actually just came over. Yeah, so um, he
Speaker 1: actually just came out when everyone was talking about the R.
Speaker 1: Kelly documentary. He came out and was like, I think
Speaker 1: y'all given it too much attention. Excuse me, says the
Speaker 1: man who's sitting here impregnating all these women sitting here
Speaker 1: showing that he's brom I'm ready to cancel Future. I
Speaker 1: know we don't like the cancel culture, but he's one
Speaker 1: of those that has showed that he doesn't really care
Speaker 1: about where women stands. He verbally abused, you know how
Speaker 1: to shut it. He shouldn't said a goddamn thing. So
Speaker 1: you're reading that, I'm like Future rights like we're giving
Speaker 1: too much know how a mom thing. But I really
Speaker 1: was interested in your opinion in have you ever been
Speaker 1: or how do you feel reading that? Has someone ever
Speaker 1: said you're pushing feminist culture too much? And or feminist
Speaker 1: feminist culture is toxic? What does that mean when people
Speaker 1: say that we're toxic feminists? I mean that's also a
Speaker 1: popular buzzword, toxic masculinity, toxic femininity, whatever you know, and
Speaker 1: I get it. Too much of anything, it's like a
Speaker 1: bad thing, except when you're talking about equal rights for
Speaker 1: all humans. I don't know how you can do too
Speaker 1: much of that? Ums right, So how do we have you?
Speaker 1: Have you had some pushback on your book being too feminist? Oh? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's some fun like trolley right wing articles like liberals
Speaker 1: and feminists are all witches now, you know, which is
Speaker 1: really them being upset about? You know, people just seeing
Speaker 1: this lineage of persecution that just continues, and it's just
Speaker 1: the same thing as it happens today in all different
Speaker 1: ways that the like dominant people with the most privileged
Speaker 1: blame the most oppressed people for all their problems. That
Speaker 1: happens obviously with every segment of society, whether it's immigrants
Speaker 1: or people of color, or like women with the Me
Speaker 1: too movement. Right, So it's just talking about things that
Speaker 1: happened in the past that are still still happening, whether
Speaker 1: it's happening or it's happening the same way but a
Speaker 1: different way in the same sense. So even though maybe
Speaker 1: we're not dealing with segregation or slavery anymore, you can
Speaker 1: still sit here and kind of draw a line to
Speaker 1: the pay um, wage gap, or you know, maybe not
Speaker 1: having equal opportunity the way that you're claiming we're equal
Speaker 1: opportunity employers, but yet you're still sitting here not allowing
Speaker 1: certain people are demographics to get those jobs. So I
Speaker 1: love that you're doing that. All you're doing is drawing
Speaker 1: a line from maybe centuries ago, hundreds of years ago.
Speaker 1: I didn't read the book. I probably will read the
Speaker 1: book now because I'm not gonna lie like, which is
Speaker 1: a girl again? I'll be talking about spills and ship.
Speaker 1: We had a million or ties. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you know her, and one of our most listen to
Speaker 1: episodes a lot of people you know, and she's she's
Speaker 1: the good root, high and like and she's dope. I
Speaker 1: actually hit her up recently. I watched bird Box. Did
Speaker 1: you watch it? And I was like, yeah, I really
Speaker 1: need your help, Like I didn't know how demonic this
Speaker 1: movie would be. I can't sleep, And she gave me
Speaker 1: a chance and basically told me to if I ever
Speaker 1: feel that way, just say hey, like, if you're not
Speaker 1: of the light, I want you to leave. And she's like,
Speaker 1: quote chant prayer. We always assume to be different. Well, no,
Speaker 1: we associate prayer and I do with religion, So like
Speaker 1: just saying something to make yourself feel good, it really
Speaker 1: helps me. Time you feel bad, I got some good
Speaker 1: happy songs. Thing. It is all different. You know you
Speaker 1: don't have for a movie, girl, Every time I watched
Speaker 1: three hundred, I feel like I could beat anybody. Three
Speaker 1: hundred is my movie I go to when I feel
Speaker 1: like I gotta watch comedies. After I wanted only to
Speaker 1: read that because I really get annoyed with how the
Speaker 1: me too movement is described as this culture of like
Speaker 1: people tagging on and also interesting UM a friend of
Speaker 1: the show, and we've had her on. Leah McSweeney has
Speaker 1: had a lot of controversial UM YouTube and blogs. She's
Speaker 1: put up for saying that the me too movement can
Speaker 1: be toxic because she feels like real kind of rapes
Speaker 1: are violent, right or there are women that are being violated,
Speaker 1: and she feels like certain women are using it as
Speaker 1: a I don't want to quote her wrong, but basically
Speaker 1: saying it's a little too much and a lot of
Speaker 1: else don't like that. But she also said that she
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in a rape culture, so even like having
Speaker 1: that idea of a rape culture and even just the
Speaker 1: dialogue going through now, Um, a lot of people listen
Speaker 1: to um, the Joe Budden Show, and even men now questioning, well,
Speaker 1: how can I talk to a woman now since everything
Speaker 1: is me too? And now I feel like if I
Speaker 1: just holler at you now, I sexually assaulted you. And
Speaker 1: so now there's men that are blurring those lines where
Speaker 1: it's like, y'all know what the funk we're talking about? Like,
Speaker 1: come then any reasonable person knows, like what consent looks
Speaker 1: like and what appropriate behavior looks like. But I get it.
Speaker 1: We're in this like new territory where everything is you know,
Speaker 1: taken to the extreme or not listen to it all.
Speaker 1: It's sort of like either or you know, we haven't
Speaker 1: found you have to go far to go back, to
Speaker 1: go to the middle, to sort of even out, you know,
Speaker 1: your understandings about all that. I hate questions about, but
Speaker 1: I hate questions or men are like, well how do
Speaker 1: I know? And it's like, yeah, right, you don't, right, right,
Speaker 1: So we're gonna go ahead. So every show we have
Speaker 1: a kick of the week, Um, this is another one.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go ahead and warn y'all. Since Mad People
Speaker 1: was throwing up with the porn categories episode. This one
Speaker 1: is rather nasty. Um, you picked felching and I was disgusted.
Speaker 1: You know you do it, and she said it. She
Speaker 1: described it so disgustingly, I said. I was like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I read the words out of my phone.
Speaker 1: I described, maybe you read really good at that time,
Speaker 1: because you know, I normally don't like when you breathe,
Speaker 1: but she read it. I'm good at reading in my
Speaker 1: head and just not out of my mouth. So this
Speaker 1: um so the kink of the week for this week,
Speaker 1: guys is ovi posit tour, a kink that involves laying
Speaker 1: eggs into someone, usually involving alien eggs, bugs, tentacles, et cetera,
Speaker 1: and can be seen occasionally in Henti. There is a
Speaker 1: large amount of art involving It's on tumbler and it's
Speaker 1: commonly associated with the inflation thing. Um kink another thing
Speaker 1: that I brought up. I was trying to find that
Speaker 1: because the girl told me she watches that. So inflation.
Speaker 1: I love how my phone just goes to different links. So.
Speaker 1: According to urban dictionary dot com, urban gation, inflation is
Speaker 1: one um a sexual practice in which the practictition er
Speaker 1: inflates his or her stomach by inserting air or fluid
Speaker 1: into his or her rctum. Um too. It's a fetish
Speaker 1: involving inflation of all parts of the body. Um. So
Speaker 1: think Violet in the Charlie Charlie and the chocolate factory,
Speaker 1: usually the stomach. This fetish tends to be related to furries,
Speaker 1: and it's often portrayed in an outwardly non sexual concept.
Speaker 1: I'm going through inflation right now, so yeah, maybe a
Speaker 1: nigga might like a little bloated so um. One of
Speaker 1: the articles that I actually pulled up from vice dot
Speaker 1: com again shout out Vice. It says that the emerging
Speaker 1: fetish of laying alien eggs inside yourself. Um, So there's
Speaker 1: actually these toys that you can get. Um at the
Speaker 1: sex shot. I've been wearing eggs for years. I never
Speaker 1: thought about it. Bro. So they look like alien penises
Speaker 1: and they shoot out eggs, and you could shoot the
Speaker 1: eggs into yourself if you're into this kink. But like yeah,
Speaker 1: um and so yeah, they actually look really weird. Um.
Speaker 1: I don't know if y'all can see crazy. Um. And
Speaker 1: it's asking So this article asking is asking how people
Speaker 1: got into it. Um. This is also asking where the
Speaker 1: sexual the sexual gratification comes from it. Um it says,
Speaker 1: let's face it, there are three things that will always
Speaker 1: sell food, death, and sex. I tried food service and decided,
Speaker 1: after managing three restaurants and owning that one day, um,
Speaker 1: day in and day out, that it didn't much look
Speaker 1: like much was going to change. Death didn't really interest me,
Speaker 1: so I wanted something more fun, something that breaks the
Speaker 1: monotony of people's days and makes them spit out their
Speaker 1: coffee when they tell you that they like to do so. Basically,
Speaker 1: to me, it would be maybe something just the shock
Speaker 1: factor of maybe thinking about it, I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I feel aliens would have like the biggest dicks, Like
Speaker 1: their dicks would be like bigger than horses. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I envisioned aliens. So this is
Speaker 1: something that's really so I'm into sci fi, and I've
Speaker 1: said this on the show often. Clearly I don't believe
Speaker 1: in science, which is probably why I'm so into sci fi.
Speaker 1: So I have because of the science. It's it's it's
Speaker 1: fake ship bro. So I'll really be like into sci fi,
Speaker 1: like thinking, if the if the world is these aliens,
Speaker 1: maybe I think they all friendly. I just don't know
Speaker 1: why we think aliens are bad people. I think differently too.
Speaker 1: I feel like they would all give women orgasms since
Speaker 1: men can't. So I'm here for aliens coming to you know,
Speaker 1: the first point you're going to direct speaking of laying
Speaker 1: egg porn, what's the weirdest thing you think you came
Speaker 1: across while searching porn online? Kristen just generally research for
Speaker 1: the book. Um oh wait, no, did you have research
Speaker 1: for this? Oh? I just was thinking, of course, Um,
Speaker 1: which early modern like medieval type sexual scenarios I read
Speaker 1: a lot about, but that's not really medieval sex. I
Speaker 1: didn't medieval people. I haven't really came across the porn
Speaker 1: like that, but like, yeah, there gotta be Game of
Speaker 1: Thrones all kinds of cosplay. As far as just general porn. Ah,
Speaker 1: I guess I've seen some interesting A friend of mine
Speaker 1: had some robot porn that had the robots had all
Speaker 1: the different parts like two giant penises and a vagina
Speaker 1: and an asshole, and so it was, you know, really
Speaker 1: really not like a hot human like robot. It was
Speaker 1: just like, well, the face looked like a woman. There
Speaker 1: were breasts, but you know, multiple penises, penis vagina. Now
Speaker 1: what does your friend do it? What did your friend
Speaker 1: get off on this port? Oh? Yeah, he actually paid
Speaker 1: for it, and um, I think that's awesome. You should
Speaker 1: pay for your porn. Um and because it's just support
Speaker 1: niche right right, right right, But that that was totally
Speaker 1: like animated, so that you know, but yeah, it was
Speaker 1: anti is all animated porn? No, I think it is,
Speaker 1: but this was like not because hence I you know,
Speaker 1: technically it's like Japanese, right, so I this was Russian
Speaker 1: and Trump got it, so yeah, it was. It was good.
Speaker 1: It was good. That's some weird ship. That's weird. I
Speaker 1: think we said some weird ship, but that was some
Speaker 1: weird ship, dude. So the weirdest ones we said on
Speaker 1: our last episode, they got it because we're not gonna
Speaker 1: make them time. Christian someone wrote it and he said, well,
Speaker 1: I was watching his porn where six dudes coming a cup,
Speaker 1: they put it in a frying pan, cook it up,
Speaker 1: needed to a girl and it really looked like eggs.
Speaker 1: And I was just like, I want to know what
Speaker 1: he kind of what rabbit hole he had to go
Speaker 1: down to to find that one that's not that far, Dude,
Speaker 1: I watched Mukoki every night and someone's like, I'm not
Speaker 1: into the feeding on like spoons or cups. I like,
Speaker 1: just come on face or like body. I think that's sexy,
Speaker 1: but like they girls drink it all the time. Makes sense,
Speaker 1: it made next step is popsicle ones? Right, Well, and
Speaker 1: I've said it, I guess, and I just guess. I
Speaker 1: wasn't into it. So I have a guy that used
Speaker 1: to make me squirt like every time we had sex,
Speaker 1: and he literally wanted me to squirt in a cup
Speaker 1: so that he can mix it with the rock and
Speaker 1: drink it. And so with a name for that drink,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lend you. There are moments where I'm
Speaker 1: looking at porn or hearing ship like that and it
Speaker 1: doesn't really shock me, And I'm like, when did they
Speaker 1: go too far? I think that's too far to get
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Speaker 1: So our horrible decision for the week is, obviously, which
Speaker 1: is sluts and feminists. First question, why do we need
Speaker 1: read this book? You you were gonna get. I mean,
Speaker 1: I gotta say it's not for everybody, so should read it?
Speaker 1: Because we should? Yeah, I think even if you totally
Speaker 1: disagree with everything. Look, I'm putting forth a lot of
Speaker 1: history interviews with a lot of different people, and I'm
Speaker 1: showing how women and feminine folks, which includes like gender
Speaker 1: queer fems or trans women, you know, UM, how femininity
Speaker 1: has been devalued and UM, how women and feminine folks
Speaker 1: have been persecuted throughout history because of that. And UM,
Speaker 1: just drawing all these different disparate parts of UM art
Speaker 1: and culture and literature. It's it feels like a really
Speaker 1: historical and I don't want it this turning people off,
Speaker 1: But like I learned a lot more than I thought.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad. Yeah, well I like I like that.
Speaker 1: When UM, when I was in probably my junior year
Speaker 1: of college, we you know, we had to take certain electives, UM,
Speaker 1: and one was women in history. UM. And so that's
Speaker 1: where I actually don't like history, but I enjoyed reading that.
Speaker 1: At one point, nymphomaniacs were treated as mentally unstable and
Speaker 1: had to go to like crazy houses and stuff. They're
Speaker 1: trying to do that because women enjoyed sex, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's possibly what they are trying to do,
Speaker 1: even in this age where right now we're not tumbler,
Speaker 1: they're they're taking that away we're also taking away on Instagram,
Speaker 1: so which I don't know, we're gonna have the Horrible
Speaker 1: Decisions page much longer. But if it seems like we're
Speaker 1: insinuating that people should go out and have sex, they're
Speaker 1: can't saying those type of pages to Wildflower Sex is
Speaker 1: a big Instagram that just got deleted. They got it back,
Speaker 1: but I mean, it's very it's horrible the you know,
Speaker 1: what's going on with Foster Sesta and the persecution of
Speaker 1: sex workers, and this also ties into that because um,
Speaker 1: I'm going back into history with the same and talking about,
Speaker 1: you know, the way women's sexuality and spirituality was not
Speaker 1: thought of as you know totally uh anathema. You know,
Speaker 1: like those things could be combined and work combined in
Speaker 1: certain belief systems thousands of years ago, and there'll be
Speaker 1: priestesses in these temples where you would go have sex
Speaker 1: with them and you'd reach communion with the goddess through
Speaker 1: having sex with them, and that's like the highest of
Speaker 1: the highest ecstasy you could receive. And now you know
Speaker 1: the way of sex workers are are treated and abused
Speaker 1: and not given rights in our country and countries in
Speaker 1: the world of course too. It's just unconscionable. And so
Speaker 1: that's like the next step is to realize, you know,
Speaker 1: to designatize sexuality overall means to also like treat sex
Speaker 1: workers with the same respect and give them equal But
Speaker 1: it's just not even only sex workers. I wanted I
Speaker 1: wanted to bring this down to any men who are
Speaker 1: listening who are like, man, that's not me. I want
Speaker 1: to simplify it because it's a common thing that we
Speaker 1: even have with this podcast, where a lot of men
Speaker 1: I think that women don't have sex to enjoy sex.
Speaker 1: They think that women attach all sexual acts to emotions
Speaker 1: to where women don't cheat or if you do this,
Speaker 1: you will how or slut because a woman attaches all
Speaker 1: emotions to sex instead of just thinking that, hey, maybe
Speaker 1: as a woman, I want to feel pleasure and I
Speaker 1: want to come and even if you date it back
Speaker 1: to the early centuries where women were just looked at
Speaker 1: as reproductive organ like, it was looked down upon if
Speaker 1: a woman just said, hey, I like having sex. I
Speaker 1: like now that you're talking about that, Kristin, can you
Speaker 1: tell us because she's saying some things that I think
Speaker 1: you brought up with, which is like, what were things
Speaker 1: that people. Why were you called a which what were
Speaker 1: some of those things that you could do? One of
Speaker 1: them you mentioned was the art of seduction or birthmarks, Like,
Speaker 1: can you tell us some of those things? Yeah, And
Speaker 1: just to respond to what you're saying before, I totally agree.
Speaker 1: It's not just sex workers. That's just like you know,
Speaker 1: you know, the like heightened example, but all female sexuality,
Speaker 1: all women's sexuality, is all anyone who identifies as a slut.
Speaker 1: Obviously you don't do a professional slut. You can be
Speaker 1: a civilian slut and like you get you got a
Speaker 1: lot of that stigma as well. Um, yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: civilian slut got a stand up for the professional slots.
Speaker 1: You know, buil this all you totally do it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: going back to you know, some of the same like
Speaker 1: things that are happening to uh sluts today for just
Speaker 1: want to enjoy pleasure consentially exactly every Roses in the book.
Speaker 1: By the way, I didn't write you. You wrote amber Rose,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh okay, and then I read
Speaker 1: to Join the Truth and I was like, oh that's it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right. So what was a witch? What
Speaker 1: should you be a witch? For? One could be um
Speaker 1: if you had a like a birthmark or unusual marking
Speaker 1: where they especially in like British cases of witchcraft, because
Speaker 1: they thought there'd be animal familiars which with these like
Speaker 1: little demon animals often sometimes in the form of a
Speaker 1: cat or like a goat or a rabbit, and they
Speaker 1: would suckle on a witch's um teet or sort of
Speaker 1: this protrusion of flat which oftentimes would be the clitterest.
Speaker 1: So they would just you know, search a woman's body
Speaker 1: to find something a little off and a clip would
Speaker 1: count as they're like, oh, yeah, that she has a clip.
Speaker 1: That's if you had a big complx. Yes, yes, if
Speaker 1: you had a big clip, they'd be like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where the d animal demon you know, suckles and
Speaker 1: so you're a witch. Yeah, shut the funk up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's got exemas, so I'm an extra nipple anything, you know.
Speaker 1: And so that was one and of course the search
Speaker 1: itself is like sanctified assault by the state. You know,
Speaker 1: there's like men searching the bodies of these women for
Speaker 1: you know, so they really have not been known what
Speaker 1: to do with the clip. For you it's been demonized
Speaker 1: literally like they literally thought it was the province of
Speaker 1: some little demon like the little fleshy area has been
Speaker 1: four centuries. So like what about women? Okay, so what
Speaker 1: about women's sexuality made them a witch? Yeah? Um, I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, being too sexual, breast tips or maybe not
Speaker 1: that I don't have any evidence was that I know
Speaker 1: of of how body would be to deem her a
Speaker 1: witch or not. I mean it's possible, but I don't
Speaker 1: have the evidence for that. Just acting out of the ordinary,
Speaker 1: you know, in the ordinary would change depending on the
Speaker 1: town in the you know, the country or the regions.
Speaker 1: So all the witch hunts, it was, it differed all
Speaker 1: over you know, all over Europe. And there were some
Speaker 1: men obviously, I gotta say that I don't like to
Speaker 1: spend much time talking about something. Right, it's not many
Speaker 1: but like or women, but there are men who accused
Speaker 1: of witchcraft as well, And oftentimes it was because they
Speaker 1: were related to an accused female witch. Like yeah, if
Speaker 1: your mom, your sister, your wife, you know you're probably next. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and if you're a woman who's accused of witchcraft, but
Speaker 1: then like acquitted, you know, sometimes you would you know,
Speaker 1: be let off or you would you know, say yes,
Speaker 1: I I did speak to the devil, but I deny
Speaker 1: him now, and they'd let you go and not kill you.
Speaker 1: Then you would always have this like mark on your name.
Speaker 1: And maybe twenty years later and more witch hunts are
Speaker 1: coming up wherever you live, then you're just, oh, my god,
Speaker 1: is this related to the Salem witch trials at all?
Speaker 1: So this all happened sort of leading up to, like
Speaker 1: the Salem witch trials, so that that was influenced by
Speaker 1: the same beliefs that were percolating for hundreds of years beforehand,
Speaker 1: and so Salem is a little different. I don't want
Speaker 1: to like bore every minute or some of that, but
Speaker 1: that was a lot of this also was political. It
Speaker 1: wasn't all about like female sexuality. Sometimes it was like
Speaker 1: a grudge or you know, trying to um make alliances
Speaker 1: so they would like get rid of people that way
Speaker 1: by accusing them of witchcraft. Sale. A lot of it
Speaker 1: was that it was not um really about female sexuality
Speaker 1: so much. Even Oh I didn't know that. Yeah, well
Speaker 1: I guess because I've been reading so much of that.
Speaker 1: I wasn't sure. But we do that today. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that we can put onto somebody to make everybody?
Speaker 1: I guess the same way we do. What do you mean, like,
Speaker 1: if you're saying that people were doing it for for gain,
Speaker 1: is there anything that today we could call somebody and
Speaker 1: they could completely be exiled. I guess the pedophile, Yeah,
Speaker 1: rapist in case basically which was up there, You'd get beheaded.
Speaker 1: That's insane. So I wanted to bring something up. I'm
Speaker 1: you mentioned amber Rose in your book and slot walk
Speaker 1: and I don't know if this was your book or
Speaker 1: I read somewhere else, but I thought it was your
Speaker 1: book where you said she used to slot chamber she
Speaker 1: changed her tune. Yeah, that was an interview that I
Speaker 1: read in the Guardian and I quoted her and she
Speaker 1: said she used to call women sluts and hose in
Speaker 1: a bad way. Okay, I like that. You fixed that
Speaker 1: she used to go women in a bad way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because right now not now read that. But I only,
Speaker 1: uh wanted to bring that up to just ask you both,
Speaker 1: can women change their minds? And if they do and
Speaker 1: they have because we talked about amber Rose doing it,
Speaker 1: what's the most slut shamy thing you used to do
Speaker 1: before you woke up? Because I'm gonna tell you mine. Okay,
Speaker 1: I used to talk shit when I was like a
Speaker 1: little bit younger in high school about girls that were
Speaker 1: having sex or got fingered or anything when I was
Speaker 1: doing it, like I would shame them, talk shit about it,
Speaker 1: and I would do it, you know, whether it would
Speaker 1: be like anything, I mean, oh my god, she's a
Speaker 1: fucking whoreror like I would just I would. And I
Speaker 1: was wondering if you guys had had a moment where
Speaker 1: you've been like that and then you had to get comfortable,
Speaker 1: whether it be lying about your body, cow or or anything.
Speaker 1: So it's I'll actually say, Um, this is something even
Speaker 1: as recent as us starting the podcast. Um, I do
Speaker 1: still think that ho and slut are not good words.
Speaker 1: So even with this podcast and uplifting that word, it's
Speaker 1: still something that I don't want to be referred to as.
Speaker 1: So to me, that's still kind of a slut shamy
Speaker 1: type of mindset, because I do want to I know
Speaker 1: that slut and ho and the words were probably created
Speaker 1: by men just to shame women in their sexuality. And
Speaker 1: so unfortunately, do you think that you think that way
Speaker 1: because you know people are using those words to be hurtful,
Speaker 1: So that's I don't think that that's necessary. You're you know.
Speaker 1: I just did this analogy on when I was on
Speaker 1: the Inner ho Uprising, and I said, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: there's times where I think I want to stop saying
Speaker 1: the N word because I should be more woke. Right,
Speaker 1: I was like, because I definitely cringe when I hear
Speaker 1: the F word. But I realized why I do. It's
Speaker 1: because nobody says my F like they say, there's never
Speaker 1: a term term of endearment, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: So you know when someone what's up? What's up? Bit like,
Speaker 1: it's not right? So like you, we can feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with these words, right, Um, but I think that you
Speaker 1: know when someone tries to call you that they aren't
Speaker 1: being nice like or try to say it in a
Speaker 1: way where it can feel hurtful. Even hate to bring
Speaker 1: it up. But you've got an our huge argument, public
Speaker 1: argument with about it. You know that that word what
Speaker 1: it felt like when you heard it? Yeah? Yeah, So
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna count that, dann God damn take
Speaker 1: them out. Got name me? I slowle waight um um,
Speaker 1: I would say, um, it would be more so in
Speaker 1: the realm of when I did hang around more um
Speaker 1: sex workers. Um so growing up And I say growing up.
Speaker 1: I would say between eighteen to about twenty two, a
Speaker 1: lot of my friends were sex workers, um from porn stars, strippers, escorts.
Speaker 1: I still have friends that are escorts, and so I
Speaker 1: would say, Um, I would slesh shame the free hose.
Speaker 1: I would slut shame the girls who are out there
Speaker 1: fucking and not getting money, or the girls who are
Speaker 1: out there just sucking for flights, like, bitch, you sucking
Speaker 1: for flights are Yeah. I would shame women who literally
Speaker 1: just wanted to instead, just because all of my friends
Speaker 1: were like, bitch, if you got a pussy, you need
Speaker 1: to be charging. So I would literally shame the free hos.
Speaker 1: We call it because there's paid hose and free hose,
Speaker 1: and so I guess at that point in my life
Speaker 1: I would I would like, who didn't kind of still
Speaker 1: do that? Like, yeah, anything out of it. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: loved when Nina k she's a porn star who came
Speaker 1: on and she talked about this fun threesome she had.
Speaker 1: She's like, oh my god, he flew me out. It's
Speaker 1: from Tampa and my aunt, Well know, do you know
Speaker 1: it's free and off sit here and say that. I
Speaker 1: feel like I even so thinking that I used to
Speaker 1: have that thought process yourself. No, people direct that to me.
Speaker 1: And when I talk about pegging or the enjoyment of pegging,
Speaker 1: a lot of women and men be like, wait, you
Speaker 1: do that for free? And so people want me to
Speaker 1: charge to peg niggas. So I'd be like, I enjoyed
Speaker 1: doing it, why would I charge? And so yeah, so
Speaker 1: the same thing that I put out to other people like,
Speaker 1: I get it now, but I enjoy doing that. Why
Speaker 1: would I charge? Is the mindset? And if a woman sex,
Speaker 1: why should she? What's yours? I think? Um, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to think because I did go to like an all
Speaker 1: girls school, and it was really cool to be as
Speaker 1: slutty as possible. I'm slutty with all girls. Well, you
Speaker 1: would like go to the all boys school or with
Speaker 1: each other? So I grew up like I grew up
Speaker 1: lying a lot about having done a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: I didn't do. You you're like verse, yeah, like so
Speaker 1: I would you know what? It makes sense? You wrote this? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I went like I was going to like kink clubs
Speaker 1: when I was a virgin. I mean, I don't even
Speaker 1: believe in virginity, but you know what I mean, you
Speaker 1: don't don't believe in virginia. Well, I think I don't
Speaker 1: believe in scientistic like the whole concept of attaching some
Speaker 1: sort of value to whether and it's all based really
Speaker 1: on sort of like a heteronormative like you know, the
Speaker 1: idea of a penis entering of vagina and you know,
Speaker 1: in a woman or whatever. So I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of problems associating, like changing how society views you
Speaker 1: based on if the dick has been you in you Like,
Speaker 1: that's like that really like that and what's Crazy's a virgin?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what's even with what you just said? She's
Speaker 1: a virgin? We attached virginity too, sh yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: so like what does virginity mean if you're queer? Like
Speaker 1: if you're not? Like always used to ask, right, So
Speaker 1: when I was going off, I knew I liked girls,
Speaker 1: but didn't really play it by sexuality until a little
Speaker 1: bit older. I always used to be so curious, like
Speaker 1: lesbians lose it? Do they always have their virginity? Right?
Speaker 1: And right there you go, that's totally fucked up anyway.
Speaker 1: Besides that point, so I was still like going, I'm
Speaker 1: loving this my home villo. That was interesting. I like that.
Speaker 1: I think we should like spread that to the huge virginity.
Speaker 1: Virginity is not a thing anyway, so um, yeah you
Speaker 1: would about I was like fifteen, and I would still
Speaker 1: be like a virgin. So I think for me it
Speaker 1: was like thinking you had to do that's not really
Speaker 1: what you're asking, but just like no, no, no, that's
Speaker 1: good if you have to be the reverse st I
Speaker 1: don't know that that you're you're really uncool or being
Speaker 1: a prude or terrible if you want to say no.
Speaker 1: So that was a thing for me because I thought
Speaker 1: I consent. Obviously, I'm like thirty six, so consent was
Speaker 1: not like a thing. I like, yeah, sent was not
Speaker 1: like a thing you just like, do I want to
Speaker 1: do it to you say okay, or you're uncool. So
Speaker 1: that was why the way D c okay for the
Speaker 1: Women's parch I was that the original, but I'll probably
Speaker 1: be at the New York one was the original DC.
Speaker 1: I do have a now a question. You brought up
Speaker 1: um Satan and the political rebellion, and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, because I'm already scared after the broad Box.
Speaker 1: But then I found it very interesting that Satan is
Speaker 1: or sat didn't mention really worshiping the devil because I
Speaker 1: thought Satan was the devil. Now they're feminist, Can you
Speaker 1: explain that? Yeah, I'm sure, And I know that there
Speaker 1: are people who, you know, worship a devil in the
Speaker 1: sense that you know, preachers and Christianity says they have
Speaker 1: for religious reasons, right, But I've never met those people whatever.
Speaker 1: But today there are groups of people who identify as Satanists.
Speaker 1: But Satan is like an archetype and icon of being,
Speaker 1: like the eternal rebel, So they take the God right,
Speaker 1: they take ideas of Satan from literature, uh in the past.
Speaker 1: So basically it's Satan as this sort of you know,
Speaker 1: kind of nontraditional bad boy answer christ right and and
Speaker 1: and against um, you know, following these rules that like
Speaker 1: the Christian Church is have set up for us. So
Speaker 1: I've been conditioned to be scared, right, So there's nothing
Speaker 1: scary about those Satanists at all. But of course when
Speaker 1: they do things, people still come out to protest because
Speaker 1: they think they're drinking the blood of babies or this
Speaker 1: and that. But there's a lot more ethics involved in
Speaker 1: Satanism than I would say in a lot of Christianity
Speaker 1: right now. Overall, as far as you know, bodily autonomy,
Speaker 1: they believe they have different tenants. You know, there's different
Speaker 1: like Satanic groups, so there's not just one. So they
Speaker 1: all sort of go about their Satanism Satanism in a
Speaker 1: different way. But um, a lot of it is just
Speaker 1: based on individuality, individual rights and you know, fighting for
Speaker 1: other people's rights in your community. When I saw that
Speaker 1: with Satanist, I was like, so they really you're frightening
Speaker 1: black people all right? Like that ship really fucked me up.
Speaker 1: Like Satanist in the Political I thought that was a
Speaker 1: really cool chapter. Um. I also I am curious to
Speaker 1: know you said your mom's a witch? What's a witch?
Speaker 1: Right now? So many things and that because Amelia is
Speaker 1: a blue hob but she's not a bad person. But
Speaker 1: like you're wearing black eyeliner right now, and Fishness liked this.
Speaker 1: I know what I'm just saying, Like that's what you
Speaker 1: think is God, which like because that know, but the
Speaker 1: aesthetics there's a big crossover, oy okay, because you know,
Speaker 1: God aesthetics come from sort of session like you have
Speaker 1: kind of like a cap ball, but it's not a
Speaker 1: cap scarf. What is it cape? Like a bandana? I know,
Speaker 1: you know there was I should be wearing. Is that
Speaker 1: a scarf? Maybe? I can't wait till we post a
Speaker 1: picture of us. I wish I had want something more dramatic. Um.
Speaker 1: But as far as what a witch is today, that
Speaker 1: really that answer can be anyone. There are so many
Speaker 1: different ways people to find which and people practice witchcraft.
Speaker 1: You know there are Christian witches, Jewish witches, Atheist witches,
Speaker 1: um Wickan witches. But you knew practice. What is it
Speaker 1: you teach an annual? You have an annual witch I
Speaker 1: have a I have a charity festival. Actually I haven't
Speaker 1: done it in a year because oh no. So basically, Glenda, Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: So basically the proceeds from the st of all go
Speaker 1: to the Rape, Abuse and Incests National Network, because I'm
Speaker 1: sort of tying this lineage of you know, people persecuted
Speaker 1: for supposedly practicing which craft in the past to you know,
Speaker 1: the abuse of women. So and I wanted to I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask you. So when um you posted the
Speaker 1: book and I started commenting back and forth with some
Speaker 1: of our followers, they started saying, even some of the
Speaker 1: spells that still go on today, So it's a myth.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's a myth or what. Maybe
Speaker 1: it's voodoo. Um period blood going in spaghetti, which is
Speaker 1: why there's a myth that you're not supposed to eat
Speaker 1: everyone spaghetti. Have you heard of this? Not heard that one?
Speaker 1: You know, there's a king in in his like in
Speaker 1: his drink or something. Apparently the period, the period blood
Speaker 1: in the spaghetti is supposed to make him love you forever. Okay,
Speaker 1: all kinds of fun folk magic spells that I wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily know, but like my mom had her own group
Speaker 1: of spells to line growing up that she would, you know,
Speaker 1: teach me that were based on like Catholic folk magic.
Speaker 1: Do you remember Catholic folk magic? Yeah, so you know,
Speaker 1: obviously there's like the Catholic Church, but then there's the
Speaker 1: regular folk and there's a long running tradition of like, um,
Speaker 1: people who are Catholic, like you know, the way like
Speaker 1: in like Haiti, Let's say a lot of people are Catholic,
Speaker 1: but they're also practice food practices too, you know, so
Speaker 1: it's the same thing. So they'd be like Catholic folk magic,
Speaker 1: where you have to believe all the things in the Bible,
Speaker 1: but then you also do all these other things like
Speaker 1: maybe peeing in someone's tea or you know, my mom
Speaker 1: would like take a statue of St. Joseph and buried
Speaker 1: upside down in the in the front of the house
Speaker 1: if she wanted to sell the house to get it,
Speaker 1: like you know, when she was moving like a superstitious exactly.
Speaker 1: So that's like kind of like the folk magic and
Speaker 1: something else like shipping in someone's lawn, like taking a
Speaker 1: ship and burying it. Yeah, it's supposed to like take
Speaker 1: away their prosperous. Amelia told me, like, if you want
Speaker 1: to get rid of someone and shut them the funk up,
Speaker 1: you take their picture, you write a name on it,
Speaker 1: you put it in a cup, you pee, put a
Speaker 1: little pee in the cup right, you close it, seal it,
Speaker 1: put aluminum foil around it. So if they try to
Speaker 1: get out, it goes back in and you freeze them.
Speaker 1: You put them on a stuff in my freezer. Plenty
Speaker 1: of things. What um. Maybe she can say no, I
Speaker 1: don't want to like, I don't want to say I
Speaker 1: don't say that. People just like, yeah, yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: like what is your house girl? The way back at
Speaker 1: the charity festival, Like you know, you wanna like cut
Speaker 1: ties with someone and that's that's what you call. Or
Speaker 1: there's like someone you want someone to like have sweet
Speaker 1: feelings for you, and like, what's that one that's like
Speaker 1: pouring honey on You can even write someone's name if
Speaker 1: it's of paper and pour honey on it and tie
Speaker 1: it up and instagram it. What if I don't know
Speaker 1: the whole name Instagram name work, I think so it
Speaker 1: is modern day, which it is. Actually I have a
Speaker 1: friend who like anoints her phone before sleeping on Tinder.
Speaker 1: There's all kinds of shu raised that the digital interest.
Speaker 1: So if you like, let's say I have this Jezebel
Speaker 1: oil that my friends, you know, who do you want?
Speaker 1: Who do you want? Because I'm about to go to
Speaker 1: who I want some fine a French black pep you
Speaker 1: Oh wait? Who oh? I thought she was about to say,
Speaker 1: let's go come on. So yeah, I am not an
Speaker 1: herbologist or like I don't make oils, but I have
Speaker 1: friends who do. So let's say, like I have my friends, um,
Speaker 1: you know love oil or love draw oil or Jezebel oil,
Speaker 1: like you could anoint your phone like all four you know,
Speaker 1: corners and yeah, there's so many ways to do on
Speaker 1: all four corners. Because this is who I want. His
Speaker 1: name is Ruby lisch Um. He's a soccer player, but
Speaker 1: this is who I want. He's so got kill. So
Speaker 1: what do I do to get him to Just DM
Speaker 1: me bet because that's all I mean, Because the thing
Speaker 1: is one of the most The best kind of witchcraft
Speaker 1: is the kind of like you like feel that is authentic.
Speaker 1: You haven't if you do something that like you think
Speaker 1: is just from some dusty ol book or not, and
Speaker 1: you think it's dumb, it's not gonna work. So you
Speaker 1: have to do something that feels like right, I'm masturbated
Speaker 1: to him. That sex magic we got to talk about,
Speaker 1: I think from sex magic. This book deal came from
Speaker 1: and I got another book deal recently from more sex magic. Wait,
Speaker 1: what is that? Come on magic? Sex magag Like witchcraft,
Speaker 1: sex magic means a lot of things and a lot
Speaker 1: of different traditions. Like I'm not initiated into a tradition.
Speaker 1: I have my own like ship that I just learned
Speaker 1: from family stuff and just from friends and what felt
Speaker 1: right to me and some other people like really like
Speaker 1: a serious qualified path that you know, other people have
Speaker 1: written books about and have you know, you know, sacred
Speaker 1: text that's not for me. That's too close to like
Speaker 1: organized religion for me. So there's no sacred texts in
Speaker 1: my world. You know. I go with my intuition and
Speaker 1: what works, you know, and it's all sort of still
Speaker 1: working with nature and nature based ship. But the digital
Speaker 1: is obviously important. That world is what we live in.
Speaker 1: But so shakrabs, you're talking about Crystal egg, bro, I
Speaker 1: need them to sponsor us. I love Vanessa, you know,
Speaker 1: she's in the book. Oh my god, bro, like it
Speaker 1: would be perfect. She would I'm sure I moved one
Speaker 1: with someone else. Her and I were like, it was amazing,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to like puppets. But but even
Speaker 1: even talking about it, so we kind of slightly brought
Speaker 1: it up with Amelia who mentioned kind of just crystals
Speaker 1: and how they really and us saying the importance that
Speaker 1: this isn't y'all going out buying crystals and show no,
Speaker 1: do not do that. No, No, that was like poked
Speaker 1: me before. Yeah, so sex magic and chak rubs even
Speaker 1: you're saying, yeah, so I used a chak rub. I
Speaker 1: used to do my own sex magic without anything else.
Speaker 1: When I was younger, I realized I was doing sex
Speaker 1: magic without knowing and how I would masturbate and like
Speaker 1: think about things and envisioned goals and things, and it
Speaker 1: would happen. It would happen masturbating like thinking about a
Speaker 1: new job, kind of like about the feeling like like
Speaker 1: like um, just like walking into a room feeling like
Speaker 1: powerful or whatever. Sometimes there'd be you'd be thinking about
Speaker 1: a person too while you're jacking off or whatever, but
Speaker 1: sort of having this goal oriented practice or like thinking
Speaker 1: about raising certain types of feelings, or like a hot
Speaker 1: outfit you're wearing and you feel so powerful and sensual
Speaker 1: in that moment. Oh my god, Kristen, I'm masturbated in
Speaker 1: the suit I was wearing for the job I got.
Speaker 1: And I was just really really horny that day. But
Speaker 1: I didn't do it with intent. I just you still
Speaker 1: were wearing. I felt really good in the suit. I
Speaker 1: masturbated and it was like, oh, like it just felt
Speaker 1: so good, and then you got the job I did. There,
Speaker 1: you go, that's the same thing. It doesn't have to
Speaker 1: always be like conscious like that, you know what I mean? So, yeah,
Speaker 1: I I met a friend who was a creative director
Speaker 1: for a publishing house, and I told her I teach
Speaker 1: a class based on this at the new school. So
Speaker 1: I just about that and then she's like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: you should do a book proposal or whatever. But I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, I didn't know if I was
Speaker 1: going to get it. So I thought, Okay, I really
Speaker 1: need to make this ship happen. You know. I even
Speaker 1: had a friend like carve a candle for me with
Speaker 1: like and I you know, put all my intentions into
Speaker 1: into that. And it was a full moon and I
Speaker 1: had my shock rub and it was a pink of
Speaker 1: rose Courts one, a pink one because it was for
Speaker 1: like self love to really just like get into put
Speaker 1: rose Court sometimes totally. Or you could do like I've
Speaker 1: also done with Obsidian, to like get rid of all
Speaker 1: the negative feelings you might have about something, to set
Speaker 1: you free to like really get the next day because
Speaker 1: I'm really scared about my ask there you go, I'm
Speaker 1: sitting in my booty, I kind of I'm sitting there.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I did it. And then um, the day
Speaker 1: I press send on the proposal, I did my ritual,
Speaker 1: you know, jerked off with my chakrab. A month later,
Speaker 1: on the next full moon, I got an email of
Speaker 1: saying you have it, so you basically fucked yourself into
Speaker 1: my hands. Uh wow, people can And I actually teach
Speaker 1: a class with a friend of mine. It's a sex
Speaker 1: and color magic class on how do you use like color?
Speaker 1: Like you said, your your outfit, I only like black cock.
Speaker 1: That what you like saying the word cock. But when
Speaker 1: I put black front, that's what I like. So we're
Speaker 1: not you know, we are not trying to up your
Speaker 1: book deal. Let me shut up. So not colored people,
Speaker 1: but color your bedspread or your sheets, or the room,
Speaker 1: the color you paint your room with, the outfit you wear,
Speaker 1: the lingerie while you're jerking off. But okay, it's always black.
Speaker 1: My sheets are always all white, and then my clothes
Speaker 1: are always all black. Same, what do I need to change?
Speaker 1: You know, all different colors have a different sort of
Speaker 1: energetic frequency and they also mean different things. And so
Speaker 1: if you money, let's say green. Okay, so you want
Speaker 1: some money. I had a friend who was always like, yeah,
Speaker 1: when you know, jerk off, like, get some some greenery,
Speaker 1: like some live plants, you know, some fresh green, you know,
Speaker 1: and obviously imagine like green exploding and falling on you
Speaker 1: or money, you know, when you're when you reach climaxes
Speaker 1: kind very like a red red light and the moment's
Speaker 1: supposed to bring more sexual Actually I didn't hear about
Speaker 1: that because my daddy jam Makan, and he had a
Speaker 1: red light. And when that red light was on, I
Speaker 1: stayed away from the bedroom. Do you remember that. I
Speaker 1: swear to guy. I was like, daddy, why are your
Speaker 1: light red? And then we ended up talking and I'm like,
Speaker 1: my daddy, we're not going into the room when the
Speaker 1: lightbulb is red because I'm not trying to have what
Speaker 1: is it called When the water humidifier thing it glows,
Speaker 1: I put the oils in it. So sometimes I changed
Speaker 1: the color, like I noticed what I want, like a
Speaker 1: little bit of softer sex. It's like that light blue.
Speaker 1: But I don't know I were cractic like color and
Speaker 1: sex magic? Right, Oh my god, a witch. I knew
Speaker 1: it was right now. Okay, So I want to play
Speaker 1: the game really quick only with you. Basically, I just
Speaker 1: called and I want to say a name, and you
Speaker 1: just tell me about what's going on from your book.
Speaker 1: So first one is Titchuba, the Black Salem witch who then,
Speaker 1: is that one of the first three women accused of
Speaker 1: witchcraft in Salem, and she was the only black woman
Speaker 1: accused of witchcraft. Actually her racist ambiguous ambiguous, Sorry that's
Speaker 1: what I was. But some people think she was an
Speaker 1: indigenous woman umm Barbados, and some people think she was
Speaker 1: I thought write. So it's still not known the documents.
Speaker 1: It's because her last name was Indian, so they don't
Speaker 1: because she also could have been married to an indigenous
Speaker 1: man and his like they would call him John Indian
Speaker 1: was her husband's name, So they don't really know. Why
Speaker 1: was she so famous though she's so famous because releas no,
Speaker 1: there's no, there's not really a sexual aspect to her
Speaker 1: someone else but um, well, actually know the reason why
Speaker 1: you're thinking it is because in actual historical like sense
Speaker 1: that we know of, she was just accused of, um
Speaker 1: being a witch and she came out and said, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw all these other women in town doing witchy
Speaker 1: shipped too with the double so they were trying to
Speaker 1: funk with her, and she funked with them back and
Speaker 1: she survived. She actually did not get put to death,
Speaker 1: so that but we don't really know according to history
Speaker 1: what happened to her. But there was this book that
Speaker 1: I write about by Marie Conde, which is I Titch
Speaker 1: of a Black Witch of Salem and totally story. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and Tichi was a totally like sex positive witch, uh,
Speaker 1: and she ends up getting to Salem through of you know,
Speaker 1: all kinds of uh strange mishaps. And she is like
Speaker 1: a slut in the best sense of the word. She's
Speaker 1: always trying to tell the like the white Puritan women
Speaker 1: she's around, to like not be so fucking uptight, and
Speaker 1: sex is not of the devil, but like a natural, human,
Speaker 1: beautiful experience. So that I like that. We have no
Speaker 1: proof that that that's real, but it was a great
Speaker 1: like part of no. I like that. So the second one,
Speaker 1: which I feel like some of us should we should know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen Dinner Party, the installation
Speaker 1: at the Brooklyn Museum, of course, the ship So Join
Speaker 1: Your Truth was in it. If you guys don't know
Speaker 1: what it is, I'm gonna try to describe it. It's
Speaker 1: in the shape of a pussy, like really in my head,
Speaker 1: it's a triangle, right, and it's all these plates and
Speaker 1: it basically shows you in the version of I don't
Speaker 1: know a dinner plate what their pussy would look like.
Speaker 1: For example, Georgia O'Keefe, the artist we know with flowers,
Speaker 1: her pussy looked like a flower. And UM, so join
Speaker 1: your truth was on there. Can you tell us who
Speaker 1: that is if we don't know? Yes, So she was
Speaker 1: um formerly a slave and then was emancipated and um
Speaker 1: was a great orator and basically went around and these
Speaker 1: beautiful impassioned speeches to like hundreds of people about the
Speaker 1: realities of black women and enslaved women, and basically was
Speaker 1: shaking up the suffragist movement at the time when a
Speaker 1: lot of the suffragists are super racist and saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: women's rights only for white women. But this was also good, sister.
Speaker 1: Journal Truth was someone that I learned in school a long,
Speaker 1: very long time ago. Um. And they even so there's
Speaker 1: a festival in Eatonville, Florida, UM called the Zorneil Hurst
Speaker 1: and Festival. So so journal Truth was also with her
Speaker 1: UM means of or rating and speaking and writing for people.
Speaker 1: It meant a lot because of course, as you guys know, education, writing,
Speaker 1: those things were not given to slaves, let alone women. UM.
Speaker 1: So she actually, yeah, was very known during I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna say civil rights movement or anything like that because
Speaker 1: it was far well before that time, but it was yeah,
Speaker 1: but as a woman coming out being able to hold
Speaker 1: those type of like it's not the first first black
Speaker 1: city in in Florida, that's right, okay, Um, and it's
Speaker 1: in Orlando, Florida, which is where we're from. So but yeah,
Speaker 1: all of that, and she was accused of being a
Speaker 1: witch and she actually won a court case and got
Speaker 1: money for it because people said you were a witch
Speaker 1: and she was like, I'm not in the sense of
Speaker 1: the term back then, which yeah. So the third one
Speaker 1: I have in there, Um, you wrote something about after
Speaker 1: Martin Luther King died, the Witches of NYC started What
Speaker 1: the fuck? Oh? I think I was just setting context
Speaker 1: for like what was happening in the world. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like a direct response, but it was that they were
Speaker 1: protesting activist group called the Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell,
Speaker 1: which is which w t H and UM. They dressed
Speaker 1: up as witches and would do these like sort of
Speaker 1: protests like guerrilla theater like you know, um performance art
Speaker 1: slash protests like they hext the New York City stock exchange.
Speaker 1: None of them as far as I know, really believe
Speaker 1: I do rooms around when they're they're sort of like
Speaker 1: using a witch as a feminist mascot in a way.
Speaker 1: So dude, I'm not gonna lie. I feel like after
Speaker 1: reading your book, I really wanted because well even them
Speaker 1: having the brooms are dressing up like that's all. That's
Speaker 1: also just the narrative idea of what we think of
Speaker 1: a witch. Like even if we look at the witches
Speaker 1: and the Wizard of Oz and you know, the good witch,
Speaker 1: bad witch, but that which had the point, he had
Speaker 1: the point, you know, I want the point. What's funny
Speaker 1: about Mandy saying this is before when you sat down,
Speaker 1: Mandy was like, I just want to you know, I
Speaker 1: don't like but like you get woke now I'm getting awoke.
Speaker 1: Always a wait, Well, there's just so many ways to
Speaker 1: talk about the witch as a figure and an archetype.
Speaker 1: And like my dad being a super atheist, you know,
Speaker 1: he would think so much of this is like bullshit.
Speaker 1: But when it's couching this like political, you know sense
Speaker 1: there's like a real history that I think it's important,
Speaker 1: so that like how it ties to back to just
Speaker 1: sexuality and feminism just essentially men not wanting to allow
Speaker 1: a woman to be a woman, explain the woman body, um,
Speaker 1: and not just allow us to feel those same things
Speaker 1: in the same orgasms that men get to us. So
Speaker 1: I think it's and I like how you tie that
Speaker 1: into again the slut shaming what we're dealing with. You
Speaker 1: brought up she wrought up Hillary Um with the burner
Speaker 1: at the stake thing, and I just love them, Like, basically,
Speaker 1: whiches are now sluts and feminists and it's the same ship.
Speaker 1: Are they any other black feminists that you think we
Speaker 1: should all know about or rejoice in? I know, our
Speaker 1: modern day one we could say is like an Amber Rose.
Speaker 1: You brought up her slat walk and how important it is,
Speaker 1: But like, are there any other ones that you think
Speaker 1: should be maybe highlighted or not as well known. I
Speaker 1: mean she's well known, but in a different way. Bree
Speaker 1: Luna who runs the Hood, which oh I think she's
Speaker 1: super inspiring, badass, which she had her own room at
Speaker 1: twenty nine Rooms. Yeah's killing it. She's also an awesome
Speaker 1: person and super funny and creative and what she don't
Speaker 1: know her name? So with her with her business and
Speaker 1: like building the visibility of you know, a different like
Speaker 1: way we see the witch because a lot of you know,
Speaker 1: Hollywood films, at least TV, which is are white and
Speaker 1: you know that you follow the hood witch, and that
Speaker 1: is like not the way real witches are. Real witches
Speaker 1: are every different type of like actually trying, dude, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to pay a black witch switch. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: think too in pop culture. Yeah, yeah, I mean, now
Speaker 1: there's like like The Vampire Diaries had some and you
Speaker 1: know it's not as many either American story that whole oay,
Speaker 1: is there anything else? But yeah, it's really Actually the
Speaker 1: odds was it was so but the Black One and
Speaker 1: there was a black witch in that damn. I mean
Speaker 1: I get. I mean technically yeah, apart from American. So
Speaker 1: every week we get homeml right, which is basically our
Speaker 1: listener um questions that they send in. And I wanted
Speaker 1: to read this one. Hella, ladies, I don't even know
Speaker 1: how to start this. Hope it makes none the show. Um,
Speaker 1: so she wrote twice, but like, please read this on
Speaker 1: your show. Happy New Year. I love it. You guys
Speaker 1: are going strong in your lives. It gives me hope.
Speaker 1: For the women Empowerment movement. Thank you. So my home
Speaker 1: mail is that I want to be more sexually open
Speaker 1: and try things like a three summer, even using toys,
Speaker 1: or just being more of a freak overall. I grew
Speaker 1: up in a church strong and forced home, both with
Speaker 1: my mom and dad, so so all of that wasn't
Speaker 1: the lord was banished. Now I was a woman in
Speaker 1: my thirties, I've had sex, of course, and I have
Speaker 1: two partners, one male and female. Now. I was with
Speaker 1: a woman in college for three years and it was bad.
Speaker 1: I felt verbally emotional abuse, cheated on, used, And now
Speaker 1: that I'm with a man, we have connections about sex,
Speaker 1: and I do feel bad that I'm not into trying
Speaker 1: anything new, including toys, lube, watching porn. My question is
Speaker 1: whether there's something I should do to be more open
Speaker 1: or should I leave him, basically because it's not happening
Speaker 1: with him real quick. I have a young sister who
Speaker 1: went for our way to college and she did nothing
Speaker 1: but white men. We're a black family, by the way.
Speaker 1: My mom kicked her out of the house years ago
Speaker 1: and she checked my sister's email in front she was
Speaker 1: sending nudes to white man I've never tried pink talk,
Speaker 1: and I was interested, but that situation, my two sister
Speaker 1: and my mom put me off. Any advice would be great,
Speaker 1: keep up the show. I feel like she brought that
Speaker 1: up because we assume that, like white guys are like
Speaker 1: into freaky st like, bitch, why do we have a
Speaker 1: show like I mean, we're trying to. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna lie, and I've said it more times than not.
Speaker 1: I've never been with pink dick. I've only been sorry
Speaker 1: because you're white. I don't know already. Okay, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I don't want to marry it, but I've never I
Speaker 1: never had so like so like all of these sexual
Speaker 1: experiences that I've had and y'all know, y'all call me
Speaker 1: like the freakiest, like it's so nasty, but they've all
Speaker 1: been with black men. So I think it is a
Speaker 1: opening up. If unfortunately he's telling you he's not into
Speaker 1: this again, I think communication is super big. Maybe you
Speaker 1: tell any even know if you're bringing it up it
Speaker 1: sounds like it doesn't sound like you're not bringing it up,
Speaker 1: but you can start off small ways. Be like, listen, babe,
Speaker 1: I came across this porn and it's kind of wild,
Speaker 1: but look at it and kind of just gauge what
Speaker 1: he thinks about easy, I think definitely. I wanted to
Speaker 1: really read this with you because I feel again like
Speaker 1: religion kind of puts that back on us, and I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask specifically because maybe she needs to hear
Speaker 1: it and it's not a direct answer to her, but like,
Speaker 1: how does religion really shape the way we think about sex?
Speaker 1: And how can it then factor in later? Like what
Speaker 1: does it do to us? Well? Most like monotheistic religions
Speaker 1: demonized sex, particularly for women and before marriage, right, So
Speaker 1: if you're like born into that, it's really really hard
Speaker 1: to like deprogram your mind and it's a you know,
Speaker 1: constant process you have to go through, and you should
Speaker 1: be like give yourself a break too for not knowing
Speaker 1: like where to turn or how to go forward. I
Speaker 1: think that's awesome that someone would come out and ask
Speaker 1: those questions, because it's a super it's brainwashing, you know.
Speaker 1: So I don't think you should feel bad if you
Speaker 1: grew up like they. You can't help it. You can't
Speaker 1: can't help how you're born. I did an episode on
Speaker 1: our Patreon which one of my best friends on their
Speaker 1: James talks about Yeah, well, he calls his evangelist like family,
Speaker 1: which is great, but he says, you know, like my
Speaker 1: mom would cut out pictures of breast like cleavage in newspapers.
Speaker 1: He's like, I jerked off for the first time and
Speaker 1: like I didn't know what happened, what came out of me.
Speaker 1: He's like, bro, like everything about sex. I was fucked
Speaker 1: up because of this fucking bullshit, you know, religion that
Speaker 1: I went through and how it just made me feel
Speaker 1: like everything was bad. He said that he even hurt
Speaker 1: in church once. You shouldn't jerk off because it'll make
Speaker 1: you gay from touching dick. And even though that's extreme,
Speaker 1: that's very extreme. Just I feel like her saying religion
Speaker 1: was in our home. I feel like that's what makes
Speaker 1: it so scary to then bring it up, because even
Speaker 1: talking about it is wrong. That same, yeah, wanting to
Speaker 1: do anything sexual in some ways wrong in the back
Speaker 1: of your mind maybe, or even bringing it back to
Speaker 1: where we sit here and demonize women for wanting to
Speaker 1: have sex or experiencing sex, and then if they lose
Speaker 1: it before or marriage, now you're tarnished. Now, you're soiled.
Speaker 1: Now you're bad goods. So even to grow up in
Speaker 1: you know, that type of environment where that's your mindset,
Speaker 1: I can get where now it may be even hard
Speaker 1: for her to say maybe I kind of want to
Speaker 1: try kicky things, but maybe it's hard not even knowing
Speaker 1: how to express it herself. That's maybe it's just in
Speaker 1: her head. So if she feels like he won't do
Speaker 1: it with it, if she can't say the words. Because
Speaker 1: we have so many questions, we get like this, what
Speaker 1: would be your advice to someone that can't blatantly say
Speaker 1: what they want? What are other ways to be inventive
Speaker 1: with sex or asked for things that you want rather
Speaker 1: than just being like I want you to fuck my
Speaker 1: throat because they don't really know yet, Because that like
Speaker 1: figuring it out what you want first is important, right,
Speaker 1: So I think that is like all in the realm
Speaker 1: of fantasy, and that could be done with like like
Speaker 1: a masturbation challenge, you know, like if you sit with
Speaker 1: yourself and like make yourself, you know, pleasure yourself without
Speaker 1: right just like what I like that? What comes to
Speaker 1: your mind? What do you like? That's theright thing to do?
Speaker 1: So then over a month, like write down all the
Speaker 1: things that come up and then try them in real life,
Speaker 1: or at least you know, decide if that's something you
Speaker 1: want to broach or even I don't know how old
Speaker 1: she is, but something that works when I'm dating someone
Speaker 1: or when I'm trying to get to know how kinky
Speaker 1: someone is, I say, let's play the game twenty one questions.
Speaker 1: You never really get to twenty one questions, but then
Speaker 1: it just opens the dialogue like, let's not even limit
Speaker 1: what we can ask, but it's twenty one questions. How
Speaker 1: would you answer this? And so it's gauging what's really
Speaker 1: kinky to you? Would you try this? Um? This came
Speaker 1: to mind? Have you ever watched this type of porn?
Speaker 1: And so you turn it into a game to where
Speaker 1: you can even start off by saying, some of these
Speaker 1: things I've never done, but I just want to know
Speaker 1: what your what your take is on it. So then
Speaker 1: you turn it into just something kind of whimsical and
Speaker 1: kind of childish. But now you're not you know, saying that,
Speaker 1: oh I'm into because honest really fun. I had a
Speaker 1: guy I dated one said I knew wouldn't be for
Speaker 1: me because he said I laughed during sex, And you
Speaker 1: thought that was just respectful. It was a Slovenian guy.
Speaker 1: What church or something. He was like, I don't know.
Speaker 1: That really made me uncomfortable. I like, do you know
Speaker 1: much funny ship happens during sex? Think about when you're
Speaker 1: switching positions and like you're like, oh, fun Like how
Speaker 1: can I not laugh a little? I laughed every time
Speaker 1: I'd be laughing, dude, I'd be laughing when I'm like
Speaker 1: all right, I'm done right, And I don't think that
Speaker 1: the last time I laughed really hard during sex, me
Speaker 1: and Scissors were having sex and we're using this like
Speaker 1: double dong. We put it down, I'm going down on her,
Speaker 1: we pick it back up and because jelly, all his
Speaker 1: hair is stuck to it, and I'm like, bitch, between
Speaker 1: your and my fucking we've look at this like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think the last time I laughed during sex was, Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say why because yeah, I'm but he came.
Speaker 1: I asked him, and oh, I think I talked about
Speaker 1: this on a Patreon episode. So I asked him to
Speaker 1: come on my face. That's kind of what I asked,
Speaker 1: but he shot out like I as I was saying,
Speaker 1: to come on my face so I missed the closing
Speaker 1: my eye part and it went in my eye and
Speaker 1: I'm laughing because I'm literally like this and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you came in mind. And he thought it was the
Speaker 1: funniest thing. And I'm like I just got my lashes
Speaker 1: done and he's laughing, but I'm like, no, nigodies was
Speaker 1: eighty dollars and I but oh my god, Christ And
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, someone wrote in right and was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if you guys could like debunk
Speaker 1: this question. But somebody came in my eye and I
Speaker 1: swear I could feel it swim and we talked about before. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we talked about this. Yeah, and really literally we sat
Speaker 1: here and was talking about she thought there was it was,
Speaker 1: but then it happened to me after like, oh I
Speaker 1: feel it. I feel the last time what happened, I
Speaker 1: was pretty drunk and there was like I was also
Speaker 1: really hungry, and so it was kind of like a
Speaker 1: late night you know, like meet up and I had.
Speaker 1: It was at my place and there was like a
Speaker 1: bag of chip next to the bed and I was
Speaker 1: and I'm on top and I'm like, you did not
Speaker 1: start eating just while he was oh, my god, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. Do you watch Insecure? Yes? Do you remember
Speaker 1: when she was eating the She's like, oh, yes, I'm
Speaker 1: not in the fun I'm not like super into food
Speaker 1: and sex. But I was just super drunk and it
Speaker 1: was like he's a funny guy and we laughed together
Speaker 1: a lot, and I was like, I'm just gonna he
Speaker 1: thought it was funny, and I was like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I didn't do that. I would love when someone to
Speaker 1: laugh at that, Like, no, I like that really doesn't
Speaker 1: even think of It's because when you do other things
Speaker 1: while having sex, like I'm not gonna lie for me
Speaker 1: having sex, don't watch TV because then likens like there's
Speaker 1: certain things like like I like when my nigga smokes
Speaker 1: his blunt while I'm sucking his dick. But I don't
Speaker 1: like if he's watching TV while I'm sucking. But I
Speaker 1: feel like the funny way when I'm going down. I
Speaker 1: love when people are on the phone. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: trying to keep a straight the okay, not like a
Speaker 1: business call, but like even like it makes it even
Speaker 1: better get those spreadsheets over, huh. I love like let
Speaker 1: your mama call you while I'm like that. I love
Speaker 1: you already talked about admitting incests. Okay, so not really
Speaker 1: like that, but I like for him to try to
Speaker 1: keep a straight face and make it sense, like, okay, mom,
Speaker 1: let me call you back. I'm a little busy. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I like that. It's to answer your question
Speaker 1: about pink sick. Listen, I will tell you that I
Speaker 1: used to say that. I thought like when I first
Speaker 1: started dating white guys, I was like, Okay, they're freakier. No,
Speaker 1: I just think there's this all around weird thing where
Speaker 1: with black men and women, we feel like we can't
Speaker 1: say it, so we kind of just wait for it
Speaker 1: to happen, whereas I don't know why that's just our thing,
Speaker 1: whereas with white guys, he had to just happen, where
Speaker 1: guys would tell me what I liked, quicker, faster, or
Speaker 1: asked to try things with me where they didn't really
Speaker 1: have to figure. My guys aren't saying that, so you
Speaker 1: stick a figure in there, and they moved that little
Speaker 1: butt so you could stick mowing there exactly, but you're
Speaker 1: not saying it, So like you're right. I like that.
Speaker 1: It's it's really true because I was like, initially, like
Speaker 1: white guys freaker, but like they're not right, It's just
Speaker 1: you can just talk about it more, right, because I
Speaker 1: think there's another thing of like black men maybe not
Speaker 1: even wanting to be quote unquote disrespectful, right, Like there's
Speaker 1: that big thing around there where like we want to
Speaker 1: make sure like we I don't know, I feel like
Speaker 1: in my opinion, I don't know if you can agree, Kristen,
Speaker 1: but like I felt like it was cooler for like
Speaker 1: white girls at my school to be slats over like
Speaker 1: the black girls. Like I feel like it was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's way more like ability to be a slat and
Speaker 1: then go be like a respected member of society. Like
Speaker 1: it's not that like double stigma totally. It didn't feel
Speaker 1: like classes an issue too. You know, Yes, more money
Speaker 1: have the why do you are the easier it is
Speaker 1: to be like I'm slut and then still be treated
Speaker 1: like a human. Yes, when I was on Van Strow,
Speaker 1: I was saying it, but I couldn't articulate. It was
Speaker 1: in my head, but I couldn't figure out what I was.
Speaker 1: But I really have felt like that, Like I felt
Speaker 1: like with my white friends they would get excited about it,
Speaker 1: and with like black girls, it was just like I
Speaker 1: can never like for sure sucking dick. Y'all's name's Becky
Speaker 1: with a good head like its White girls like y'all
Speaker 1: are praise it, like being able to sethnicity. I'm guessing
Speaker 1: you know how to give good head. Unfortunately with with
Speaker 1: black girls like that stigma has been to wear you
Speaker 1: still stick too good? How No, either that or maybe
Speaker 1: black girls don't give his good head because you can't
Speaker 1: touch their hair. They don't want their hair touched and
Speaker 1: things like that around black women sucking dick compared to
Speaker 1: white girls putting that shir up in a polltail and
Speaker 1: just going at it. There's a meme we posted today
Speaker 1: with like you sucking the soul out of him with
Speaker 1: your wig off, Like I'm sorry, but I had to
Speaker 1: really get around like only with white guys and I
Speaker 1: don't care, like having a sew in and being like
Speaker 1: are they going to touch my braids and feel weird?
Speaker 1: And now oh I don't and I should be blending,
Speaker 1: and then maybe i'd be like just so you notice
Speaker 1: saying a mine. Then when they get the feeling and
Speaker 1: I know that they're confused because I have guys that
Speaker 1: like go to pull it and then I feel them
Speaker 1: like touching and yes it's a sewing. You want to
Speaker 1: keep sucking your dick or not, you can touch it, like,
Speaker 1: but I think that some of them think it's my
Speaker 1: natural hair until they go do the hold on white
Speaker 1: girls got clippings and they do they do. I hate
Speaker 1: what is it? You'll be taping your hair and no
Speaker 1: tape micro beating. But she's like, okay, back about listeners
Speaker 1: know where they can find you, where they can possibly
Speaker 1: get your book if you have any other books for
Speaker 1: them to read if they like, which is fus feminists?
Speaker 1: What else? Um can our listeners do to get you?
Speaker 1: Find me on Instagram? It's Christian Corvette Corvette with a
Speaker 1: K in descript enough here we're gonna put her book title,
Speaker 1: her Instagram, her site, and we'll also tag it um yeah,
Speaker 1: um yeah, I have a new book coming out next
Speaker 1: fall is like kind of a part two but evolving.
Speaker 1: How um cats actually have been coded as these like
Speaker 1: hyper sexual bee line entity? Yeah, why do we call
Speaker 1: it a pussy? Like? Why is it? You know? Why
Speaker 1: are women caddy? Like? What are all these associations with
Speaker 1: cats and sex and women? And like if you look
Speaker 1: on like the stock room. Let's say, just like you
Speaker 1: guys are y'all friends. So this whole just made me
Speaker 1: do a whole episode on animals with six animals, haven't
Speaker 1: But we came from like all this bull about animals.
Speaker 1: Fucking God. May have or may not have listened to
Speaker 1: that episode yet, but we did a whole fucking episode
Speaker 1: about animals, sucking bro. But no, for for real, they'll
Speaker 1: like think about the cat emoji. How it's got like
Speaker 1: the like it looks hotter? Yeah, why do we think
Speaker 1: cats wire cats? Let's so that's basically and also there's
Speaker 1: there's a history and also at the time of the
Speaker 1: witch trials, many cats were also put to death and
Speaker 1: like associated the black cat right or the cat lady archetype,
Speaker 1: you know all these like weird cats and women associations
Speaker 1: like dogs or men cats or women, Like why what
Speaker 1: is it? Like? So that's my next catt Yeah it's
Speaker 1: called cat call. Uh reclaiming the feral feminine. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we gotta read that one, and then next fall is
Speaker 1: no like this yeah yeah you know, well, I mean
Speaker 1: until then we brought your book. Do you do any
Speaker 1: like talks? I do talks, um, I do events and
Speaker 1: like I post about them all on my Instagram. Mostly
Speaker 1: have a website. That's boring, and one goes to a
Speaker 1: website right, not anymore. We bought the domain, but we
Speaker 1: ain't even posted yet, Like I'm on word for us
Speaker 1: to start it was effort. No, it's a ton. You
Speaker 1: gotta get the graphics. It's just a lot. But how
Speaker 1: what's the proper way to buy your book to put
Speaker 1: money in your pocket? Let's talk about that. I do
Speaker 1: usually sell it. I just sold out, but I will
Speaker 1: replenish and I sell No, but the things, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's buy my own books from the publisher. It's kind
Speaker 1: of weird, you know, I know how that said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not can you have to buy a high number?
Speaker 1: So sometimes I don't actually have the money to buy
Speaker 1: my own books to sell. But you can get it
Speaker 1: on like indie bound or the Strand or Amazon if
Speaker 1: you're not against Amazon. The Strand gets you good money.
Speaker 1: Strand is good the Strand. If you one hunts, you
Speaker 1: get paid out. Okay, Amazon, it's fine on my website
Speaker 1: if you do buy it, um, I get like I
Speaker 1: send you like a little patch that's a sex switch,
Speaker 1: and like stickers and so yeah, so that like it's
Speaker 1: the most money in my pocket. But also just buy
Speaker 1: the damn book however you want. Man, I'm just happy
Speaker 1: to share this information. Is their audio version. I just
Speaker 1: finished recording the audiobook. It's going to be out, like
Speaker 1: I hope in a couple of months. You speak well,
Speaker 1: so I listen. Maybe hate when you're saying that you
Speaker 1: can talk English. I just I appreciate it thanks in
Speaker 1: accents mean to be fair, we've had guests where we're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, Liken like this fucking talk already there,
Speaker 1: like weird, like you've spoken very well all episode. The
Speaker 1: same as King Noir, who also came on and so him.
Speaker 1: I love when men speak well. I have this super
Speaker 1: crush on a man who's taken but he has a podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: if you guys, girl, he's taken up. He was just
Speaker 1: on bands show, so if you guys want to hear
Speaker 1: an intellection. I love Aaron Foster and how he's his mindset.
Speaker 1: He's also into like science, he's an atheist and he
Speaker 1: failed to science. No it makes me know, but like
Speaker 1: so he makes atheism sounds sexy. I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, maybe because that is liked. I know
Speaker 1: he's so woke so because of how he speaks, though,
Speaker 1: it tries me on. So I think I'm a safeo
Speaker 1: sexual bitch. Thank you very much. So you know, keep
Speaker 1: going where. Yes, I think she's like what I said.
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, that's it. Are you on Twitter? A
Speaker 1: lot of people? Okay, not more? Instagram should pick up
Speaker 1: my Twitter game. But yeah, I'm just trying. And I
Speaker 1: also have the Sluttest Instagram also, but that's more like
Speaker 1: sluttest that's just not that that's not me, but like
Speaker 1: the site and if you ever have some so like
Speaker 1: you know, we have the Vanilla ships, some good Sluttest
Speaker 1: stuff for us to just yeah, every episode we have
Speaker 1: a Vanilla ship, so we love to send you you know,
Speaker 1: we can get featured insight. Yeah, I need Sluts of
Speaker 1: the Month always we are yeah, all right, there we go,
Speaker 1: there we know us the month. Alright, Well, guys, we
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Speaker 1: you so much for coming. Wasn't the funnest podcast you've
Speaker 1: been on it? Yes? Obviously. Hey guys, this has been
Speaker 1: yet another episode of horrible decisions. By delete it all,
Speaker 1: you can't. I actually kind of want to find them now.
Speaker 1: I'd love to use my own truth against myself now
Speaker 1: because I don't want it's the best way, it really is,
Speaker 1: and I would love to use my muckshot is like
Speaker 1: my tender, I mean my Tinder my Instagram picture, but
Speaker 1: I can't find it. So I'm in a lace dress
Speaker 1: with pearls. A J gott a picture of me with
Speaker 1: that from that night, lace dress with heels, and I
Speaker 1: was wearing lubatans and they had this picture of me
Speaker 1: and I was wearing it while I was out and
Speaker 1: around GP. So they make me change my clothes because
Speaker 1: my dress was too short. Put on prison clothes. I
Speaker 1: had to spread cough. You have to stick your fingers
Speaker 1: inside of yourself like hold your cheeks open and cough
Speaker 1: like I farted. So there's so much air com you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. She's like checking in my tongue
Speaker 1: and like making sure, like I don't have drugs. I'm like, which,
Speaker 1: I swallowed it seven hours ago. So I was still
Speaker 1: mollied out in jail. So get there Friday. No, now
Speaker 1: it's Saturday morning. I guess. I'm like whatever, I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna sleep this ship off. So they give me a
Speaker 1: zip lock bag and they basically give you the necessities
Speaker 1: before you have commissary money or whatever. There's a pair
Speaker 1: of underwear, um toothbrush, a notepad, pens. They give you
Speaker 1: pens and jail they had pen but like this is
Speaker 1: in a bag ziplock bag and stamps. So I get
Speaker 1: to my bunk and the girl says next to me
Speaker 1: because she looks at my mug shot picture and they're
Speaker 1: looking at my nails in my hair, and they like
Speaker 1: you getting out, huh. I was like, yeah, I'm getting out.
Speaker 1: So she goes, look kind of your stamps. I said, yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: So I take the bag and I threw it at
Speaker 1: the edge of the bed. She goes to get them,
Speaker 1: and so does another girl. These bitches start fighting nervous
Speaker 1: stamps and my bunk slides off. I am now in
Speaker 1: the midst of these two bitches fighting, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, it's no Origines of New Black was
Speaker 1: out by then. I was terrified, Mandy. I thought these
Speaker 1: holes gonna kill me. So didn't fucking they let them
Speaker 1: fight the whole way through. They don't break them up
Speaker 1: in jail. They let them fight the whole way through,
Speaker 1: which I've been there for a few hours. I'm terrified.
Speaker 1: So he looks at me, He's like, oh, y'all go,
Speaker 1: I said, oh, absolutely not. I'm I have a court date.
Speaker 1: I'm getting out. I don't know what these holes was doing.
Speaker 1: So everybody, did you know what they were in there for? No,
Speaker 1: not at the time, but people had different colors on it,
Speaker 1: a little like the little little mugs shot. So I'll
Speaker 1: tell you about that in a minute. So I sleep
Speaker 1: for the first two days, honestly, like slept it through,
Speaker 1: probably because I was so high, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean that sleep? Wake up, see the light, you one
Speaker 1: go outside. No sleep. So Sunday I wake up or
Speaker 1: Monday morning. I'm starving, Mandy. I'm starving. Everybody's telling me
Speaker 1: don't eat the food. Now they say this is the thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's true or some jail tail,
Speaker 1: but they like, don't drink the juice because they put
Speaker 1: these like hormone suppresses in it, so nobody would fuck
Speaker 1: like they put really weird shit in it. No, maybe
Speaker 1: in prison, in jail they do that. Just a myth
Speaker 1: jail mill, it could be. They were like, don't eat it.
Speaker 1: So the food was so disgusting. I then went to
Speaker 1: the counter of the person who watches the GP people
Speaker 1: and I was excuse me, as you can see from
Speaker 1: my last name, I'm a Jew and I need a
Speaker 1: kosher meal. She was like, okay, well you're not gonna
Speaker 1: see him till tomorrow. I was like, okay, well, I
Speaker 1: had money in cash. Can I use that for commissary.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you can't do anything at the holiday weekend.
Speaker 1: So there's a girl in front of me eating cup
Speaker 1: noodles and when I tell you, it looked like a
Speaker 1: steak bit for that the best Kobe wagou what I
Speaker 1: was used to at the time I'm watching her. He
Speaker 1: was used to oxtail. He was sucking Jamaican's in good
Speaker 1: so I'm looking at this girl with a couple who
Speaker 1: was I'm like, what am I gonna do? How do
Speaker 1: I convince her to fight home? So hold on? I
Speaker 1: go up here. I'm like, hey, I have money, but
Speaker 1: not with me. Can I put money in your conversary tomorrow?
Speaker 1: Can I pay you back? She's like hell no, So
Speaker 1: let me tell you. We're my negotiating you selling skills coming, bitch.
Speaker 1: I was like, listen, how much is one of those?
Speaker 1: She's like three dollars, which is very expensive. I was like, okay,
Speaker 1: well I want three, so how about I double it.
Speaker 1: I'll give you twenty dollars. She's like absolutely not, and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I guess that's not that good
Speaker 1: at a risk. I'm gonna give you forty dollars when
Speaker 1: I get out of here for three of those. So
Speaker 1: you'd be basically betting nine bucks of your commissary to
Speaker 1: make back more than triple. I wouldn't have trusted you.
Speaker 1: How do I getting it? There are now ten bitches
Speaker 1: talk about no, no, no, They're like, funk that ship.
Speaker 1: One of them yelling at her like you'll be giving
Speaker 1: you money every month? Anyway, bitch? Take it. It's take
Speaker 1: the hell you got mad money. It's the thirteenth. I
Speaker 1: remember the day because my mom's birthday, to like, just
Speaker 1: do it. You still got money left, Just do it.
Speaker 1: Bitch is worth it. So she did it. She wrote
Speaker 1: down her am scott um prison idina because I had
Speaker 1: to go to am Scott her prison idea number on
Speaker 1: my hand. She's like, bitch, if you don't do the shot,
Speaker 1: beat your ass. And I was like, okay, Mandy, when
Speaker 1: I tell you I ate them ships. Those two this
Speaker 1: day were the best meals I can remember when you're starving.
Speaker 1: I got chicken beef and a vegetable one, but I
Speaker 1: was eating them ship slow. Someone gave me a little
Speaker 1: milk to make that ship creamy. I don't even know
Speaker 1: you can do that ship how So the next day,
Speaker 1: right I go to court. It's in the morning. The reason,
Speaker 1: by the way, they she gave it to me is
Speaker 1: because of that mug shot bag badge picture. I had
Speaker 1: those pearls on that lace stress and they were like
Speaker 1: she looked like she got money. And my nails were
Speaker 1: done and my hair was like just freshly sewn in
Speaker 1: and they're looking at me like she can afford it.
Speaker 1: So I get to court. There's two women before me,
Speaker 1: and I remember specifically what they did. The first one
Speaker 1: was in possession of crack cocaine, and the woman right
Speaker 1: before me was there for prostitution. And so I said,
Speaker 1: when I got up wired you here, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just my license. I didn't do that. I just
Speaker 1: drove that a license. So then I didn't realize how
Speaker 1: testy I was being. And she was like, so basically
Speaker 1: you did it for a second time after we already
Speaker 1: had you up and watched it. I let you out
Speaker 1: you're probably gonna do it again. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: I was like pleading my case right. I think I
Speaker 1: was like twenty years old. So she tells me that
Speaker 1: she will release me as long as I have an
Speaker 1: ankle bracelet on. Now. I couldn't understand why I would
Speaker 1: be on house arrest for just a license, and she said,
Speaker 1: it's not house arrest is GPS. So we make sure
Speaker 1: you don't flee the state. You can go wherever you
Speaker 1: need to go. So I go get this ankle bracelet
Speaker 1: that was this big. It was huge. If you guys
Speaker 1: google GPS bracelet, it was huge, took up more of
Speaker 1: my ankle. I was chafing, and that's how big it was.
Speaker 1: It was rubbing against me. So long story short, there's
Speaker 1: a battery in this with a microphone because you have
Speaker 1: to charge it, and if you don't charge it or
Speaker 1: if you flee, they will talk to you through the
Speaker 1: bracelet and find your ass. So I was wearing long
Speaker 1: skirts to work. I didn't know what else to do. Right,
Speaker 1: I'm so upset. So I finally was able to get
Speaker 1: some dicks. I'll call when he's drug dealing, because I
Speaker 1: knew and I was. It was Mike, and I was like, listen,
Speaker 1: I just I'll let you know I have an ankle
Speaker 1: bracelet before you come over. He's like, it's okay, I
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. We'd before. So he comes over.
Speaker 1: We're fucking, and he's holding my ankle and like making
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't rub up and down like he's holding
Speaker 1: the ankle bracelet, and I'm like, damn, he got this
Speaker 1: ship together. So once we're done fucking, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: you actually like that wasn't your first time? He was like,
Speaker 1: bro