WEBVTT - King Charles' Coronation

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<v Speaker 1>William and Kate. By the time they give their turn,

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<v Speaker 1>they won't be so young and glamorous. Based on the

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<v Speaker 1>longevity of these royal family members, right the Queen mom

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<v Speaker 1>died at what one hundred and one, Elizabeth at ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>so Charles could get a couple of decades as monarch.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to one day University talks with the world's most

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<v Speaker 2>engaging and inspiring professors discussing their most popular courses. This

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<v Speaker 2>podcast is your chance to discover some of our top

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<v Speaker 2>rated lectures on your own schedule. I'm Stephen Tregis. We're

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<v Speaker 2>traveling across the Pond to Great Britain, where King Charles

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<v Speaker 2>the Third's coronation takes place this weekend. Although Charles became

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<v Speaker 2>king when his mother, Queen Elizabeth, died last September, the

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<v Speaker 2>coronation is an important symbolic ceremony steeped in royalty tradition.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, coronations for British monarchs have been around for

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<v Speaker 2>over a thousand years. Professor Julietatio knows this history well.

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<v Speaker 2>She has given lectures on the legacy of Queen Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 2>and the monarchy's centuries of royal scandals. Julie is an

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<v Speaker 2>author and a research professor of history at the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Maryland. She says the British monarchy's power has evolved

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<v Speaker 2>quite a bit over the centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>If this were before sixteen eighty eight, the monarch would

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<v Speaker 1>be considered divine. But after the sixteen eighty eight Glorious Revolution,

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<v Speaker 1>with William and Mary agreeing to rule with the Bill

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<v Speaker 1>of Rights, we see after that over the centuries pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much the decline of all of those royal powers. The

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<v Speaker 1>king or Queen will no longer be above the law.

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<v Speaker 1>They're subject to the authority of Parliament. Today, Charles, like

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<v Speaker 1>his mother, has the right to give the royal approval

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<v Speaker 1>to legislation, doesn't initiate it or really have anything to

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<v Speaker 1>do with making laws. It's mainly ceremonial. He's the head

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<v Speaker 1>of state, how to the church, how to the military,

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<v Speaker 1>had a state of the Commonwealth. But he has the

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<v Speaker 1>right to be consulted, the right to advise the Prime Minister,

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<v Speaker 1>and does play an important role with all the royal

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<v Speaker 1>tours and hosting foreign visitors, and if you look at

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<v Speaker 1>the Royal UK website, he is, like any monarch, is

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<v Speaker 1>meant to be a source of national pride like the

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<v Speaker 1>human face of government who unifies the nation. And that's

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<v Speaker 1>no small role to play about.

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<v Speaker 2>How many nations are there in the Commonwealth, and how

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<v Speaker 2>has that changed since Queen Elizabeth's coronation and in recent years.

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<v Speaker 1>So when the Queen first learned that she was Queen herself,

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<v Speaker 1>the first speech that she made was about recognizing how

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<v Speaker 1>the Imperial fold was growing up in changing, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the Commonwealth, of course change in a response to the

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<v Speaker 1>changing empire and the loss of certain colonies. That one

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<v Speaker 1>had already happened before her reign in nineteen forty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously Indian independence, and then since nineteen forty seven through

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen sixties almost all of the former colonies had

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<v Speaker 1>gained their independence. So this idea of a commonwealth of

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<v Speaker 1>nations is relatively new. It's now fourteen nations. Since the

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<v Speaker 1>time of her death. In twenty twenty one, Barbados stopped

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<v Speaker 1>recognizing Elizabeth as head of state became a republic. Jamaica

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<v Speaker 1>is considering doing the same, so the numbers may change

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<v Speaker 1>moving forward. They have to officially recognize him. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>automatically inherit that title. There was talk several days before

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<v Speaker 1>the coronation that Canada may no longer recognize the British

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<v Speaker 1>monarch as head of state. Australia just decided to not

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<v Speaker 1>put Charles's image on their paper currency.

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<v Speaker 2>They have an.

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous design instead. Going forward, we shall see.

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<v Speaker 2>I've heard you lecture about Queen Elizabeth before she passed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's as you said, and all of us knew.

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<v Speaker 2>She was beloved by many, many, many people. Charles is

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<v Speaker 2>a very different character though. How popular or unpopular is he?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do want to say, you know, she had

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<v Speaker 1>moments of unpopularity as well, but there is a huge

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<v Speaker 1>difference in their coronations. Britain had come out of those

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<v Speaker 1>tough years of rebuilding after the war. By nineteen fifty three,

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<v Speaker 1>rationing was finally over, and there was this feeling now

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<v Speaker 1>that the nation was moving forward. It still had some

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<v Speaker 1>of its empire, with the understanding it was going to change,

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<v Speaker 1>and she was talking about the Imperial family and how

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<v Speaker 1>she was going to represent everyone. There isn't this feeling

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<v Speaker 1>of I think youthfulness of the nation in the post

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<v Speaker 1>war period, and the last few years had been incredibly

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<v Speaker 1>tough for the world and of course for Britain with

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<v Speaker 1>Brexit dividing the name and then the pandemic. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a different moment in time than nineteen fifty three, so

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<v Speaker 1>I think that is a challenge for him. But if

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<v Speaker 1>we think back to those days after his mother died,

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<v Speaker 1>there was such an outpouring of affection for him that

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<v Speaker 1>I have tomit. I was surprised as he walked about

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<v Speaker 1>the crowds and women were hugging and kissing him, and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't seem to mind. So I think that he

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<v Speaker 1>may do better than I predicted a few months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll see how it goes. But I've heard a few

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<v Speaker 2>people say that somehow when his mother died seems like

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<v Speaker 2>perception changed, and when he actually becomes king, let's see

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<v Speaker 2>what happens. Then. You said, when you're referring to Charles,

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<v Speaker 2>the crown will rest heavy on his shoulders. Is there

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<v Speaker 2>some sentiment that, maybe, how can I put this, he's

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<v Speaker 2>the wrong guy for the job, and what does that

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<v Speaker 2>mean for the monarchy?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, he's been waiting his turn since he

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<v Speaker 1>was four years old, so I know that there were

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<v Speaker 1>some people before his mother died who said, oh, he's

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<v Speaker 1>too old, he should just you know, allow his son

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<v Speaker 1>to be king. That's not the way it happens. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>he's waited for his turn, and he's ready. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think that in those last few years of her life,

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<v Speaker 1>the Queen was really trying to smooth his transition, made

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<v Speaker 1>things a little bit easier for him, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>just the reception the tabloids have been largely favorable and

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<v Speaker 1>the public has been more favorable to him recently. It's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be difficult, obviously to fill those shoes in

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<v Speaker 1>that Crown, and maybe it won't be as heavy as

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<v Speaker 1>I once thought and more fair to him now.

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<v Speaker 2>The show The Crown, I've seen it here in the

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<v Speaker 2>United States. I've heard it's very very popular in England.

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<v Speaker 2>Everybody watches it, and that Charles is not too happy

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<v Speaker 2>with how he is portrayed in that show. Do you

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<v Speaker 2>think it's actually impacted his popularity in Britain, especially among

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<v Speaker 2>younger people who didn't know and didn't live through all

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<v Speaker 2>the scandalous stuff that's in that show.

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<v Speaker 1>From what I read, viewership in the UK of The

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<v Speaker 1>Crown really escalated in the aftermath of Queen Elizabeth the

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<v Speaker 1>Second's death. I do think though, that you know, even

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<v Speaker 1>though the royal family said they wanted a disclaimer, and

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<v Speaker 1>even Judy Dench demanded it from Netflix, so that it's

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<v Speaker 1>just historical fiction. I do think it was probably Charles

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<v Speaker 1>who was feeling upset with the way he was portrayed

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<v Speaker 1>in the previous season in the early years of his

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<v Speaker 1>marriage with Diana. The last season I felt was more

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<v Speaker 1>sympathetic towards Charles. And actually, if we take this series

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<v Speaker 1>as a whole and we go back to the early

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<v Speaker 1>years of Charles's life, it really shows that it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to say, oh, the poor prince, but his childhood wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>always an easy one. His parents were largely absent for

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of key moments in his life. He lived

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<v Speaker 1>in the shadow of what we would call an alpha

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<v Speaker 1>male father, and he was more sensitive from the moment

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<v Speaker 1>of his birth when he was presented, you know, on

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<v Speaker 1>display to the royal courtiers. He's always been public property.

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<v Speaker 1>I think in some ways the public can feel for him,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are certain things that many both British and

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<v Speaker 1>American viewers are a little reluctant to forgive, and that

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<v Speaker 1>of course is the debacle of his marriage to Diana.

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<v Speaker 1>But his popularity had gone up after his mother died

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<v Speaker 1>and in the months leading up to the coronation, So

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see if he gets a boost in the polls

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<v Speaker 1>after the coronation as well. But I do think the

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<v Speaker 1>Crown has hurt and helped him in some ways.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a fair enough answer. Now, my mother is not

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<v Speaker 2>alive right now, but if she was, she would watch

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<v Speaker 2>this coronation. But I know what she'd say. She'd say,

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<v Speaker 2>I will never forgive him for Diana. And maybe she's

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<v Speaker 2>not the only one who would say that. How does

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<v Speaker 2>that factor it? You have thoughts on.

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<v Speaker 1>That, Well, that's something I've said in the past. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I was a girl and I watched Diana get married

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<v Speaker 1>and a grown woman when I watched her funeral, and

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<v Speaker 1>those were tough moments, and I think a lot of women,

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<v Speaker 1>British and American could relate to her when she told,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all of those stories about her life and

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<v Speaker 1>her battles with mental illness and infidelity. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>recall too, that the twenty fifth anniversary of her death

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<v Speaker 1>was a little more than a week before the Queen's step.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think back to her BBC interview right with

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<v Speaker 1>Martin Bauscher when she said there were three of us

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<v Speaker 1>in this marriage. There is that figure of Diana that

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<v Speaker 1>will always loom over them.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie. We had expected Camilla to have the title of

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<v Speaker 2>Queen Consort, but on the invitation to the coronation they

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<v Speaker 2>called her Queen Camilla. How big a deal is that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not as big a deal as I think some

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<v Speaker 1>people are made of it when they saw the invitation.

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<v Speaker 1>She is still the Queen Consort. That is really her

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<v Speaker 1>official title. It's just very clunky to call someone Queen

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<v Speaker 1>Consort Camilla, Queen Consort Mary So. Previous queen consorts have

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<v Speaker 1>typically just been called Queen so and so. The fact

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<v Speaker 1>is that as the Queen Consort, she'll never be sovereign

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<v Speaker 1>in her own right. That's why it's significant that people

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<v Speaker 1>understand means So he's the sovereign. He has all of

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<v Speaker 1>the rights and powers that doesn't get passed on to her,

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<v Speaker 1>even though she's getting crowned in the ceremony. So if

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<v Speaker 1>he predeceases her, she's never queen in her own right

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<v Speaker 1>to rule. It still goes to William. So. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was a couple of things. The public has slowly

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<v Speaker 1>been prepared. First, she was going to be the prince's consort,

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<v Speaker 1>then Elizabeth before her death said no, she's a queen

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<v Speaker 1>consort because for some people they still held in their

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<v Speaker 1>hearts Diana's memory that she should have been the queen consort.

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<v Speaker 1>But now Charles really wants to prepare the public for

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<v Speaker 1>her role and to make them accept her more. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's one of the significant reasons for removing

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<v Speaker 1>a consort from the invitation. But she is still queen consort.

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<v Speaker 2>What do people think of Camilla when Diana was alive,

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<v Speaker 2>that was a complicated situation, but let's skip to twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three. What's the perception of her now?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, when they married in two thousand and five, people booed, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But now his marriage to her has lasted longer than

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<v Speaker 1>his marriage to Diana, So I think the public has

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<v Speaker 1>largely gotten used to them. I don't know if their

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<v Speaker 1>merchandise from their marriage sells as well as even still

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<v Speaker 1>the Charles and Diana merchandise. She is less popular than Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>who is less popular than his mother, but she's still

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<v Speaker 1>more popular than Andrew, so that's a good thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, you know, the tabloids have been kind of

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<v Speaker 1>working in her favor since the Queen's funeral and we

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<v Speaker 1>have to remember events like funerals, weddings, births, coronations. It

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<v Speaker 1>gives all the royals a boost and maybe temporary, but

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is going to give her a boost

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>After the break. What to expect at the coronation and

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<v Speaker 2>what the future holds for William and Kate. We're just

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of days away from the coronation. Certainly not

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<v Speaker 2>the first coronation in British history. But how will this

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<v Speaker 2>coronation be different than any other before it?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, he's the oldest monarch to be crowned. I think

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<v Speaker 1>some things we're going to see will just be fairly standard, right,

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<v Speaker 1>operation Golden Orb. He's going to be anointed with the

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<v Speaker 1>Holy Oil. He'll get the orb, the coronation ring, the

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<v Speaker 1>scepter will be blessed, He'll sit in Edward's chair. Those

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<v Speaker 1>things are standard. A couple of things which maybe to

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<v Speaker 1>us as Americans we don't think are a big deal,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think are kind of significant because Charles has

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<v Speaker 1>talked so much about streamlining things, trying to reduce costs.

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<v Speaker 1>At the same time he wants his special day. So

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<v Speaker 1>one thing that will observe is that the precession route

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<v Speaker 1>on the way to the abbey is going to be shorter,

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<v Speaker 1>and they'll also be in the Diamond Jubilee State Coach.

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<v Speaker 1>That coach was built for Queen Elizabeth's sixtieth anniversary or

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<v Speaker 1>Diamond Jubilee, and it has heat and air conditioning and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot come fear than the Golden Coach. But

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<v Speaker 1>he and Camilla will ride back in that gold coach

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<v Speaker 1>on their way back to the palace so the crowds

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<v Speaker 1>can see them, and I think everyone kind of expects

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<v Speaker 1>that gold coach that was still relatively new, that's been

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<v Speaker 1>used since the time of William the Fourth in eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty one. But Queen Elizabeth Second had said that at

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<v Speaker 1>the time that she had to ride in it both ways.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a horrible ride. It's so uncomfortable and bumpy, So

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's for his comfort, but also to show

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<v Speaker 1>we're streamlining things. The other thing is that the crown

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<v Speaker 1>that Camilla will be wearing when she has crowned during

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<v Speaker 1>the coronation. Typically there's a new Tierra design for all

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<v Speaker 1>of these ceremonies. Instead, they're sort of recycling and reusing

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<v Speaker 1>a crown that was Queen Consort Mary from nineteen eleven.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got two thousand diamonds in it, so it's not

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<v Speaker 1>a slouchy crown. But that does I think cut costs,

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<v Speaker 1>and it looks like they're being mindful of certain things.

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<v Speaker 1>So those, to me, those are actually significant because they're

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<v Speaker 1>all embedded with very old traditions.

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<v Speaker 2>The Queen's Jubilee not that long ago was very expensive,

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<v Speaker 2>and now we have a coronation. Is there a feeling

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<v Speaker 2>that maybe too much money is being spent on all

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>There's always that complaint. Made I think about the Queen's

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<v Speaker 1>first Jubilee in nineteen seventy seven, and my daughter, who

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<v Speaker 1>loves the sex Pistols, to think about their anthem of

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<v Speaker 1>protest right of God save the Queen, because those were

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<v Speaker 1>really tough years of recession, global recession, and what's the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of spending money when people are suffering? Same thing

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<v Speaker 1>when Charles and Diana got married had been a very

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<v Speaker 1>bad winter, the Winter of Discontent, and so spending money

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<v Speaker 1>on a fairy tale wedding. So whenever there's one of

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<v Speaker 1>these events, that criticism is made, like money could be

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<v Speaker 1>spent in a better way. And Charles was I think

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<v Speaker 1>he heard some of that, but at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>he wants his day in the sun.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we know if Harry and Megan will be at

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<v Speaker 2>the coronation.

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<v Speaker 1>So Harry will Meghan has said that she's staying behind.

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<v Speaker 1>It's their child's birthday, and I think that's a good compromise.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that it'll some people who criticize her

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<v Speaker 1>for not being there. But if she was there, she'd

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<v Speaker 1>be criticized.

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<v Speaker 2>What role will Prince William play in the coronation. There's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a focus on William. How's he going

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<v Speaker 2>to be involved in all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we already saw, like immediately after the Queen died,

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<v Speaker 1>that William and Kate were really taking a front and

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<v Speaker 1>center role, getting more responsibilities. Even before that, they had

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<v Speaker 1>done one of those royal tours and it didn't go

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<v Speaker 1>so well when they were touring some Commonwealth countries who

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<v Speaker 1>were kind of saying, we don't really want you anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>So they're going to have to do their work too

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<v Speaker 1>to convince Commonwealth nations through their royal tours to stay

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<v Speaker 1>a part of the Commonwealth. We'll see if they'll succeed.

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<v Speaker 1>They still give the youth and glamour to the royalty

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<v Speaker 1>at forty they're still both very good looking, and the

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<v Speaker 1>tabloids have been really working in Kate's favor as the

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<v Speaker 1>good princess kind Kate, they double all of these nice things,

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<v Speaker 1>even though they didn't love her so much in the beginning,

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<v Speaker 1>but now she's the good princess. So I think as

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<v Speaker 1>a royal couple, they're going to bring the youth and

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<v Speaker 1>glamour that Charles and Camilla can't. But also Charles has

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<v Speaker 1>had to step back from a lot of his favorite charities. Monarchs,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, can't be outspoken about their overall views. William

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<v Speaker 1>and Kate of course, can then take over some of

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<v Speaker 1>those functions, and by the time they give their turn,

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<v Speaker 1>they won't be so young and glamorous. Based on the

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<v Speaker 1>longevity of these royal family members, right, the Queen mon

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<v Speaker 1>died at what one hundred and one, Elizabeth at ninety six,

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<v Speaker 1>so Charles could get a couple of decades as monarch.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let me follow up on something you just said.

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<v Speaker 2>He said a king can't really be outspoken in his views.

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<v Speaker 1>Why not, He's already being reigned in. They have to

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<v Speaker 1>be really politically neutral. They can't side with one party

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<v Speaker 1>over the other. Now, there are ways, of course, in

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<v Speaker 1>which they can kind of leak their views, thinking back

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<v Speaker 1>to like the Thatcher years and that one of the

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<v Speaker 1>newspapers supposedly leaked a story that the Queen was upset

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<v Speaker 1>with the Conservatives, especially Thatcher, for her support of apartheid

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<v Speaker 1>and also some of her social welfare policies which the

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<v Speaker 1>Queen thought was too cruel. And then you know, during

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<v Speaker 1>the Scottish referendum and Brexit, you know, the Royals kind

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<v Speaker 1>of leaked their views about that they are not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to express their support for one political issue over another. Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>as Prince, was definitely more outspoken, sometimes got himself in

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<v Speaker 1>trouble over that. His big issue, of course, about climate change.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very political issue, as we know, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>such an important one. So I'm hoping that that is

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<v Speaker 1>the mantle that his son will take up advocating for

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<v Speaker 1>policies in that regard. But Charles cant, now.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie, let's get down to it. I'm an American, and

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<v Speaker 2>I admit I have trouble understanding how a monarchy can

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<v Speaker 2>even exist in a modern country like England. And I

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<v Speaker 2>know there's some in Britain who agree with me. What

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<v Speaker 2>are your feelings about that? Could the monarchy be past

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<v Speaker 2>its prime? Will it ever go away?

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<v Speaker 1>We've heard this so many times over the years. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think back to was at nineteen fifty seven when

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<v Speaker 1>the scandal where the aristocrat journalist said the queen was

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<v Speaker 1>too priggish and then he had to apologize. People attacked

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<v Speaker 1>his home because how dare you insult the monarch? When

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<v Speaker 1>Diana and Charles divorce, the monarchy was over. When Harry

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<v Speaker 1>and Meghan gave the interview for OPRAH, people said the

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<v Speaker 1>monarchy is over. People on both sides of the political spectrum,

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<v Speaker 1>if a majority still poll at least the last one

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<v Speaker 1>I saw, it's favoring a constitutional monarchy, not a republic

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<v Speaker 1>like the US numbers. As I've said, for among younger people,

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<v Speaker 1>there are more among younger people they do favor doing

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<v Speaker 1>a way with the monarchy, but it's still not a majority.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that events like this, the royals get

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<v Speaker 1>bumps from it. What we call a tonic to the nation.

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<v Speaker 1>It brings people together. It's a source of national pride

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<v Speaker 1>and Americans, you know, we watch shows like Downton Abbey

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<v Speaker 1>and Bridgerton and the Crown and every news show in

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<v Speaker 1>the morning always gives us, you know, tidbits about the royals.

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<v Speaker 1>So Americans we pride ourselves on a republic and a democracy,

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<v Speaker 1>but we love this stuff about aristocracy what we don't have.

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<v Speaker 1>There's something kind of romantic about it. I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it's so romantic to many British people, and don't forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also divided for people. When the Queen died, there

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<v Speaker 1>were people in Northern Ireland who were mourning her and

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<v Speaker 1>there were others who were kind of not celebrating but

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<v Speaker 1>not upset. So it's not uniform. You really got to

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<v Speaker 1>break it down by region. I think as well age

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<v Speaker 1>how people feel about the monarchy. I'm not predicting its

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<v Speaker 1>end because people do that all the time and they're

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<v Speaker 1>always wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Julie, thank you so much for doing this. I learned

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<v Speaker 2>a lot. I really appreciate you taking the time to

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<v Speaker 2>do this because it's a big event. Thank you again.

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<v Speaker 3>On average, nine pounds of potatoes have to be available

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