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Speaker 1: you guys? So excited to be here. Oh, we're so

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Speaker 1: Gregory Smith and Janey of course, played by Vanessa Chester

427
00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,480
Speaker 1: who you just heard there in sixth grade, and Harriet

428
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: is nominated for class resident along with her arch nemesis

429
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: Marian Hawthorne. And the best perk of being class president

430
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 1: is being editor of the sixth grade newspaper, which is

431
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 1: a weird thing that was I was like, wow, what

432
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800
Speaker 1: a strange two powers to connect. It seems like the

433
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: president shouldn't edit the newspaper. Yeah, that would be like

434
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:22,399
Speaker 1: if Donald Trump was like the head of all news.

435
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: Right now he's the head of some news. Yea. All

436
00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 1: had to say, it seems like a conflict of interest

437
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 1: to me. I agree. Also, I don't know about like

438
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 1: your schools, but like We didn't have a sixth grade newspaper.

439
00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 1: There was no journalism of any kind is for me. Yeah,

440
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,439
Speaker 1: it was like high schools when school newspaper, right, okay,

441
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: just just making sure before that it's just all you

442
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 1: just trust what you hear over the loud speaker and

443
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:57,199
Speaker 1: if that isn't a totalitarianactly. I was very envious of

444
00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: those classes where you'd see, like they have the morning news,

445
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: where you got to be like a newscast, because I

446
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 1: would have totally been that girl, but like I didn't.

447
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: We didn't have that. Yeah, I didn't have that. We

448
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: had like a teenager that went to the principal's office

449
00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: to do the announcements every day so the principle wouldn't

450
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:20,120
Speaker 1: have to. We just had the principle outsourcing their job

451
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 1: to children. Rude. Yeah. Well, unfortunately for Harriet, Mary and

452
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: her enemy wins class president. Then after school, Harriet goes

453
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 1: off on her spy route. She spies on this guy

454
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 1: who has a bunch of cats, um, dozens of cats.

455
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: And now it's a great time to mention cats. Facts

456
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: with Caitlin. Cats have eight nipples and there were many cats.

457
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't know how many cat nipples there were but

458
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot. Anyway. I was counting my cat's nipples

459
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 1: the other day and I couldn't. I couldn't get to eight.

460
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 1: Some of them don't have that many. My fact is

461
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: actually spread because that's what Google told me. The one

462
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: time I looked it up. Fakeness canceled me. Cat Fax's

463
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: fakeness anyway. Okay, So Harriet's on her spy route. She's

464
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: looking at the guy with a bunch of cats, and

465
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,640
Speaker 1: she spies on the Hong Fat family at their supermarket.

466
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: She spies on the delivery guy who she thinks is

467
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: stealing vegetables, and she's writing all of this down in

468
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: her notebook. Then we meet Harriet's nanny, Golly, played by

469
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 1: Rosie O'Donnell. She is a very important figure and mentor

470
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: in Harriet's life. She's like, she's a better parent than

471
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 1: Harriet's parents, Right, who are these kind of upper crusts

472
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: don't seem to spend a lot of time with Harry.

473
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,760
Speaker 1: I think her dad is like a comedy screenwriter or something.

474
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: There's that exchange of dialogue where he's like, I'm the

475
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,960
Speaker 1: funny man. I do the comedy. Do you other guys

476
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 1: are the money men. I like to think this is

477
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:07,000
Speaker 1: commentary on how most male comedy writers are actually very

478
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: uptight and not funny at all. Yes, I agree, what

479
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 1: an interesting choice of job for this upper crust family. Right,

480
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: what were you writing on, sir? Yeah? Is he like

481
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 1: what show? Because this show kind of like, well, part

482
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,879
Speaker 1: of what I love about the aesthetic of this movie

483
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 1: is like it could kind of happen basically whenever, Like

484
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 1: they do that cool thing where there's not any dated

485
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: tech really included in the story, so you can kind

486
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,320
Speaker 1: of project it to be whenever. But yeah, I'm like,

487
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: what what if he was like, I'm a Seinfeld writer

488
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 1: and you're like, no, that canonically, what is he supposed

489
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: to be writing? That's really I was kind of thinking that, Yeah,

490
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: who knows. Anyway, one night, Golly invites a date over

491
00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: and it turns out to be the vegetable Steeler guy

492
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: and they go out for dinner in a movie and

493
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: they're like getting back to Harriett's house and when they return,

494
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:08,480
Speaker 1: Harriet's mom is super worried because she's like, where I

495
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: didn't know where Harriet was? So she fires Golly um

496
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: but then like immediately takes it back. But even so

497
00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: this all transpires to Golly deciding to leave. She's like,

498
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: it's time for me to go. Harriet has grown up

499
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: enough now and I'm gonna peace out. Also, Harriet's mom

500
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: was being very unreasonable in that situation. Yes, like this

501
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 1: woman is raising your child for you. Can you chill? Yeah?

502
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: I mean, well, women be lashing out, so, you know,

503
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: good things. She has her comedy right, her husband to

504
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: keep her in check. It's like, what anyways here? His

505
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 1: parents are weird? Yeah they are. But Golly leaves and

506
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: her parting words to Harriet are you know, keep being

507
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: a by and keep writing. So she does. Um, she goes.

508
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: She does her normal spy root with the cat guy

509
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: and the hung fat market, and then she sees her

510
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: friend Sport struggling to pay for groceries, and she pretends

511
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: that he dropped a dollar outside so that she can

512
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: help pay for his groceries. And then she snoops around

513
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: Eartha Kit's house. What a treat? What a fun treat?

514
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: Because you hear Eartha Kit before you see her, and

515
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:34,320
Speaker 1: so I was just like, no way, what what what?

516
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: And then she it's it's her, and it's just it's

517
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: clear that she was on set for five hours, and

518
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: then I was so what a treat? So happy to

519
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: see Oh yes, But it's at Eartha Kitts house that

520
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: Harriet gets caught, and good spies never get caught, so

521
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: she's super down on herself for having been caught. So

522
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,560
Speaker 1: the next day, instead of doing her usual spy route,

523
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: she decides to play with her friends. She's like, I

524
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: don't deserve to be a spy. I'll do normal kids stuff.

525
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 1: So during a game of bumper tag, Harriet drops her

526
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: notebook and her nemesis, Maran Hawthorne picks it up and

527
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: starts reading it to a group of kids, and it

528
00:30:20,840 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: becomes clear that it's basically a burn book where Harriet

529
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 1: is just saying pretty mean stuff about all of her classmates,

530
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: including her best friends Janey and Sport. So now that

531
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: this is all out in the public, everyone hates her

532
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,479
Speaker 1: and her friends ignore her, and the kids at school

533
00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: are like passing around notes saying that Harriet smells. And

534
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: they build a clubhouse for catching spies and just a

535
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: it's a cool clubhouse. It's I want that clubhouse, right,

536
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 1: They duck tape it together. It's it's a it's built

537
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: the way that kids would build a clubhouse, and I

538
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: appreciated that. Then her parents are like, you're obsessed with

539
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: being a spy and it's not healthy, and they make

540
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: her give up her notebook. And then there's an incident

541
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: at school where Marian and her friend's dump blue paint

542
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: on her and she freaks out. She goes home, she

543
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: rips her notebook up. It's a very big fat liar.

544
00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Even though this movie came out before big fat liar.

545
00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, yeah, PAULIATI got blue painted too.

546
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: It happens. Oh yep, I haven't seen that. Why is

547
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 1: that a children's movie trope? Just getting dumped on by

548
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: blue paint by blue paint, blue paint? I don't know.

549
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, alright, I think peace on it, please.

550
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: And then Harriet decides to get revenge on her classmates

551
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 1: for doing this, and she carves like a hit list

552
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 1: into her desk and she gets revenge by cutting off

553
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: a girl's ponytail. She ruins various school projects. She tells

554
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: Mary and that her dad doesn't of her. Pretty traumatic

555
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: things like that, very rebellious, very rebellious. Yeah, she's listen.

556
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: Harriet's a flawed character. It's true. We'll talk all about it.

557
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: And then there's like there's little moments too where like

558
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I love Harriet so much, but I'm like, oh, yeah,

559
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: she's also a rich brat where sometimes she'll do things

560
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: where I'm just like, oh, you just like have so

561
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 1: much privilege you can't see. She lives in an enormous apartment,

562
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: really nice and the Upper East Side, but I mean,

563
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: I mean so much it boggles the mind. And it's

564
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: also such a cool movie house. It's rank controled you

565
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: guys there they pay seven a month to live there.

566
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: She inherited it from her grandma's grandma. Okay, it's like friends, right, right.

567
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: So her parents are like, oh, something's happening with our daughter.

568
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: She's really lashing out. So they take her to a

569
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: child psychologist. And this is when she's maybe starting to

570
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: realize that what she was writing in her notebook was

571
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: kind of nasty and it hurt people's feelings. So her

572
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: parents give her notebook back and Golly comes back for

573
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 1: a visit, and Golly is like, here's the thing. You

574
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 1: need to apologize, and you need to tell some white

575
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: lies because white lies are okay, and also maybe try

576
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: writing something other than notes. In your notebook. So then

577
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 1: Harriet goes to apologize to Jane and sport. They're still

578
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: sour at first, and then in class, Harriet suggests that

579
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,480
Speaker 1: people besides just the class president should get to write

580
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: the school newspaper. So the kid with the purple socks

581
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: is like, yeah, I agree, and Harriet is a really

582
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: good writer. I nominate her to be the editor of

583
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: the newspaper. It's kind of incredible how much the kid

584
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: in the purple socks ends up coming through and having

585
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: narrative significance in right, and they don't see it coming,

586
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: don't see it coming. And this is someone who Harriet

587
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: said should hang themselves. It's really and he really gets

588
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: over it. He this is the thing piece I want.

589
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: The kid with the purple socks went home and was like,

590
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,880
Speaker 1: you know what, sticks and stones may break my bones,

591
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: but good journalism is good journalism that he advocates for her.

592
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 1: He sure does. So everyone else is like, yeah, Harriet,

593
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: you're the new editor of the newspaper. So then she

594
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: writes a retraction, apologizing saying the things that she had

595
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: written before weren't fair. She was too quick to judge

596
00:34:56,719 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: people and jump to conclusions. And then The movie ends

597
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 1: with her class dancing around during their winter pageant, like

598
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 1: in a gravy boat. In a gravy boat, Harriet is

599
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: an onion. I think they're The costumes are pretty fun.

600
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 1: It reminded me so much of does anyone remember that

601
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 1: episode of Hey Arnold? Were their fruits in the play? Yes,

602
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: that's another like fun children's media troupe, like we got

603
00:35:25,640 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 1: to dress up the kids like food. People love it.

604
00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 1: It's so good. Uh, And that's the story. So let's

605
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 1: take a quick break and then we will come right

606
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: back to discuss uh where where to begind um with Harry?

607
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: I mean, should we just start by by talking about Harriet?

608
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: I suppose so? Um. I think there's no better play.

609
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 1: The first thing I want to say, I think is

610
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,760
Speaker 1: that because I didn't remember what the movie was about,

611
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: like my ten year old brain just comp really forgot.

612
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 1: I assumed that this story was going to be kind

613
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: of like a Nancy Drew type story, where like Harriet

614
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: would have to like solve a mystery because she's a

615
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 1: spine and she comes across a thing that she needs

616
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: to figure out. Interesting, But I think what happens in

617
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: this movie is way more realistic to what an eleven

618
00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 1: year old girl would get involved in, rather than like

619
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: somehow being able to solve this like this mystery. So

620
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 1: I thought that was actually really cool because as I

621
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: was watching it, I was like, what's what's the missy?

622
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: When's the mystery going to happen? When are they going

623
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: to establish And I'm like, oh, wait a minute, that's

624
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: not what this movie is about. It's about her. Yeah.

625
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: I like that she like they make it clear that

626
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: she's like devoted to what she does and she is

627
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 1: good at it. But you're also like, but like what

628
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: is she doing? Which is how all of us when

629
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,479
Speaker 1: we were eleven did things Like we were just like yeah,

630
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: this is important and this is cool, and then at

631
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 1: the end they're like, well what did you accomplish? You're

632
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 1: like nothing, nothing, I got into a fight with my mom.

633
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Harriet is such a cool, complicated character. Where I was,

634
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: I was really like kind of like really impressed with

635
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: how this movie just like goes there with like parent

636
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: conflict and um, the like subtleties of like communicating that

637
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Harriet's parents are like kind of have like failed her

638
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 1: in some ways and that there has to be a

639
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: conversation about how they have failed her in some ways

640
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: and how they just don't really understand her. And there's

641
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: like class stuff tackled in this movie where like Harriet

642
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 1: doesn't clear I mean clearly to demonstrate through how she

643
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: treats sports, like doesn't understand class really at all, um

644
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 1: and like has to learn that and she like fox up.

645
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: But it's still I don't know. Yeah, it's like the

646
00:37:57,320 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 1: movie tackles so many different things that are all like

647
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 1: stuff that affects kids, but it does it in a

648
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 1: way that is still appealing to kids. It's like it's incredible. Yeah,

649
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: they do a good job because it's it's Nickelodeon. I

650
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: think it was one of the first movies that Nickelodeon

651
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: had released, And I was reading about it because I

652
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 1: think it's interesting that the book by Louise fits You

653
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: is has been banned. It's on banned books lists for

654
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: different like school like children's libraries and school libraries and

655
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: things like that. Yeah, I don't remember ever seeing it

656
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: in a school library, which is like because it goes

657
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,280
Speaker 1: back to the thing of like our you know, parents

658
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: probably have this weird toward relationship with the movie because

659
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: it's like the parents failing and they're not, you know,

660
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 1: failing their child and not being there for her. But

661
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:47,320
Speaker 1: I like the idea of like the power of words,

662
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 1: like teaching the kids what the power that they have

663
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: with their what they say and what they think and

664
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 1: how they express it. I also was thinking about like

665
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: sweet little Gali Um and her relationship up. I love

666
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: that that relationship between the two ladies. But um, you know,

667
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,879
Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, this is how I'll be able

668
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: to teach my kid about how to white light and

669
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: how that's okay. I was like, I'm gonna take that even.

670
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: I mean, like that scene is such a cool, like

671
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,839
Speaker 1: big swing of like I don't know, like just like

672
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: that just shows how seriously the like writers of this

673
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 1: movie take their kid audience of like they don't doubt

674
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: that that will like, you know, resonate with them. Yeah.

675
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean I think like the whole way through with Harriet,

676
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: like she is flawed. So I go back and forth

677
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: and like, am I supposed to be cheer like rooting

678
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 1: for her this whole time? Where am I supposed to

679
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: kind of I'm learning things as a thirty four year

680
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: old woman from Harriet Um. But you know, at the

681
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: end of the day, like with that sweet scene at

682
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: the end, it's like sometimes you have to lie, but

683
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,439
Speaker 1: to yourself you must always tell the truth, Like that's it,

684
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: you know. So I think there were really really great

685
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,920
Speaker 1: messages along the way for a nuggets for these kids

686
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 1: to actually take even though you know, our tenure o

687
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,279
Speaker 1: brains were like I want to be a spy, you know.

688
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: And then but like having uh these like nonconformist women

689
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: at the helm of a film where you go like, oh,

690
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: I you know, the underrepresented is represented in a way.

691
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: I love her relationship with Golly. I think like her

692
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: relationship with Golly is so beautiful and cool, and I

693
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: feel like a really good model of like how adults

694
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 1: can treat children not with kid gloves and it can

695
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: be like a very like that that's just like how

696
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: you should treat a kid generally. Um. I love like

697
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 1: that scene where um, Golly like listens to Harriet, she

698
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: cares about her interests, she supports what Harriet's interested in,

699
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: and then also like does that cool thing where like

700
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: it's like an adult takes you seriously and then tries

701
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 1: to like spanned your knowledge where she like brought her

702
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,399
Speaker 1: to see that movie about Mata Hari and she knows

703
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: about Josephine Baker and like all these female spies or yeah,

704
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,479
Speaker 1: I think like Golly is such a cool character and

705
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 1: and the fact that we also get a little look

706
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: into her personal life and her interior life, because they

707
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: feel like in India's movies that mostly hang out in

708
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: like the upper crust class, the only poor characters you

709
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: see have no interior life that we're made aware of.

710
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: But it's like Golly has a life, and she has

711
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: interests and she and she advocates for herself when like

712
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: Harriet's mom, you know, like treats are like ship She's like, no,

713
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm out of here. I don't I don't need to

714
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: put up with this. I also love the fem Fatale

715
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: uh movie theater. Like I was like, okay, yeah, because

716
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: they went to like a fem fatale like film festival,

717
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: right yeah, yeah yeah, and then they like saw think

718
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: it was a real movie that was like based on

719
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: like Mata Harris adventures. And I don't know, these were

720
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 1: like women that I wrote a like a report on

721
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: Mata Hari when I was a kid, like oh, spies,

722
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 1: but it's yeah, their relationship is great and it made

723
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,959
Speaker 1: me cry when Colly left the first time. It's really

724
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: like maybe I'll travel. You know, You're just like I

725
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: want to go with Golly, right right. Some other things

726
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 1: that I like that we've already touched on, but like

727
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 1: I guess in terms of um, Harriet's friend group, so

728
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 1: you know, you you you heard what Vanessa had to say.

729
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: But the fact that, um, you know, Harriet's two friends

730
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: are Janey, who is a woman of color in STEM.

731
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: It's so rare to see little black girls doing science

732
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: on screen or having an interest in science in any media.

733
00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 1: That that was really remarkable. And and it also doesn't

734
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: like make a big I feel like a big thing.

735
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 1: There is also just like normalizing it and not making

736
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 1: it this like big focal point. It's like, yeah, Janey

737
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,239
Speaker 1: likes science. This is what she does, this is how

738
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 1: she acts, blah blah blah, and like it just is.

739
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: She's also has like a fascination with very destructive science.

740
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: She's like, I love the h bomb crowd, Manhattan Project,

741
00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:36,240
Speaker 1: Let's do it. And we're like, she's obsessed with laser

742
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: beams that would like disintegrate people. She'll work it out

743
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,040
Speaker 1: in therapy later. Right, all these kids are in therapy, like,

744
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, Janey is awesome. And I was also, um,

745
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,280
Speaker 1: kind of just based on other movies that we've covered

746
00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 1: in like tropes that we've noticed over the years. Um,

747
00:43:55,280 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: I think I'm thinking of the craft where yeah, normally,

748
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 1: you know, in a movie where there's only one person

749
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:06,879
Speaker 1: of color, and usually specifically a black character, you don't

750
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,120
Speaker 1: get to see their home life or their home life

751
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: is kind of excluded from the narrative. And that again,

752
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: it's just like not the case for Janey, and it's

753
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: done in a very like just a normalized way of

754
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: like you see her mom, her mom's like stop blowing

755
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: things up, and you're like, all right, cool, there we are. Um,

756
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: you get a peek at the home life and and

757
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: like I guess to be fair, not in the same

758
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: amount of detail that we get for Harriet and for

759
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,319
Speaker 1: Sport Um, but you do get to see her home life,

760
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: her relationship with her mom, and it's you know, it's

761
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 1: like a meaningful part of the story. And then I mean,

762
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: speaking of Sport, I also like that the movie normalizes

763
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: girls being friends with boys, because I think a lot

764
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 1: of media targeted to children would try to emphasize a

765
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: divide between girls and boys, and like how girls were

766
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: turning in to like a crushed narrative too. But they're

767
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: just you know, platonic friends. There's no indication, at least

768
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: in the movie that any of them have any you know,

769
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: little crush on anyone else. You know, they're busy, if

770
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: they're too busy being spies and you know, making spores

771
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:22,399
Speaker 1: in their bedroom and stuff like that. And then with

772
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: with Sport, there is, like you said, Jamie, um, some

773
00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 1: attention is drawn to class because you know, Harriet comes

774
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: from a well to do family, whereas Sport I mean

775
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: to say the least, I mean her dad, Larry David, Like,

776
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: how is a comedy writer having that house? Who knows? Yeah,

777
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: Sport comes from a poor family who his dad is

778
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: also a writer. But you know, there's that line where

779
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: Harriet says something like, my dad would call guys like

780
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: your dad a starving artist, get a real job. Yeah,

781
00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 1: why want Harriet's dad staff sports Dad? If he's the

782
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: showrunner of Seinfeld, give Sports Dad a job on the show. Right,

783
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: But like, but if he's a shitty writer, um, that

784
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,399
Speaker 1: could be it. Well, he does sell something for ten

785
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:16,240
Speaker 1: dollars at the end, so that's true. That's that's something.

786
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: I like the sweet little scene where she climbs up

787
00:46:18,520 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 1: and she's spying on Sport and like she sees Sport

788
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: with his uh with his dad and they're running around

789
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,720
Speaker 1: like with you know, having this like grand old time

790
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: with a chicken hat or whatever. That thing was. Um,

791
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think it also shows that like happiness

792
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: comes in different forms and being fulfilled in a different way.

793
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: For children to kind of understand that, like that you

794
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: don't need money to have a happy family was also

795
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 1: like pretty pretty powerful, I thought for sure. I mean,

796
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: there's definitely an existing trope where children from poor families

797
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:57,760
Speaker 1: or just poor families in general are miserable, and often

798
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: there's like this idea that like, oh, earns of a

799
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: poor family are abusive or negligent or you know any

800
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 1: any manner of like really negative stereotypes, and we don't

801
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: see that at all with Sports family. Well, I will

802
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: say just a little bit that like Sport, I guess

803
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 1: I think that sports Dad is kind of weirdly written

804
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 1: in some moments of like he's not a good parent.

805
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: He's not written to be a good parent, because like

806
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: Sport is the one who is like doing the cooking

807
00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 1: and like buying groceries because his dad is depressed to

808
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: write his shitty book. So I feel like it is

809
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 1: not like entirely like I don't know a fair point

810
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,000
Speaker 1: that yeah, I feel like I mean this, this movie

811
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:41,959
Speaker 1: and this story goes out of the way to give

812
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,320
Speaker 1: kids a lot of agency, but like Sport is literally

813
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: seems to be running the house and he's yeah tenor

814
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: a weaven, I mean, which does mean we see a

815
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:57,840
Speaker 1: little boy doing a lot of like domestic chores, which

816
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: we never see the context of it. Though I don't know.

817
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: It doesn't like is I don't I mean, yeah, it

818
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: seems like he has, you know, a depressive parent, but

819
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: then it's like that thing where they're like, well, depressive

820
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:16,839
Speaker 1: equals art, so best not to deal with it. So

821
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was a little concerned for Sport

822
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: even when things started working out for the family, uh,

823
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 1: because I'm just like, are we does does sports still

824
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: have to cook tonight? Like? Can this dad learn how

825
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,280
Speaker 1: to make a box of mac and cheese for his son? Please?

826
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 1: I was just worried about Sport. There there is an

827
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 1: exchange of dialogue that I thought was really powerful, and

828
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 1: I think would have been especially powerful to see if

829
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: I had remembered it as a child when I saw it.

830
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: But you know, Harriet says something like I hate money,

831
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: and Sport replies with, you'd like it a lot more

832
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:55,839
Speaker 1: if you didn't have any, which is such a like,

833
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, Harriet's coming from this really privileged place, so

834
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,279
Speaker 1: of course, like she gets to hate money because money

835
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: doesn't a lack of money isn't affecting her, Like she

836
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: doesn't have to worry about that. She's never had to Yeah,

837
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: she's never had to really think about it. Um. One

838
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,680
Speaker 1: of the things where I feel, okay, so Harriet. I

839
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,640
Speaker 1: like that the that there is some like class diversity

840
00:49:17,719 --> 00:49:20,000
Speaker 1: in in this movie as well. And one of the

841
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 1: I think cool things that Harriet does as a little

842
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: rich New York kid um is that she gets to

843
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: go to therapy. And I was kind of like when

844
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: this scene came up, I was like, oh, you know,

845
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: it's like nineties six. You don't really know which way

846
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:37,280
Speaker 1: this is going to go because I feel like, especially

847
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,320
Speaker 1: during this time, there is still like significant stigma against

848
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: any kind of therapy, and you would sometimes see therapy

849
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: characters made out to be kind of like cookie and

850
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: like kind of like snake oil salesman, and you know,

851
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 1: they're like, how are you feeling, and they don't actually understand,

852
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 1: they're not actually listening. But I I really love the

853
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,440
Speaker 1: direction that this movie takes it, which is that it

854
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 1: is helpful for Harriet, like and and the fact that

855
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: she went to therapy even though she herself was skeptical

856
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: of it, um ends up improved. I mean no, I

857
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: mean like really improving her parents understanding of her more

858
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,800
Speaker 1: so than her understanding of herself. But I was happy

859
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 1: to see that therapy and like mental health stuff was

860
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: not made a joke of because I feel like that's

861
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: an easy joke that you kind of see a lot

862
00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 1: in movies in the like nineties early two thousand's. Yeah,

863
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: I think you have a long way to go with

864
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,799
Speaker 1: therapy still and mental health, even though we're moving in

865
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 1: a forward motion. But I I'm actually we're watching Sopranos

866
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,919
Speaker 1: for the first time right now, where I think they're

867
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: doing a really wonderful job with the way in that world,

868
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: like you know, handling and approaching the topic of mental health.

869
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: But like they bring their son to you know, their

870
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: sons not paying attention. They think he has a d D.

871
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,799
Speaker 1: He's going to get tested. It's like, I want to

872
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 1: see people go who don't have major overlaying issues, meaning

873
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: that like you have to go to therapy because just

874
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: because of that, Like I we always see kids being

875
00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: brought to therapy because they're troubled, rather than just being

876
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,760
Speaker 1: able to say, like therapy is okay for everybody, true,

877
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, and it's ultimately in this case, it seems

878
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 1: like Harriet is being Part of the reason to Harriet

879
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,239
Speaker 1: is being sent to therapy is because her parents are

880
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: not doing the work they need to do to understand,

881
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,880
Speaker 1: like it's just as much of them, like they should

882
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: also be in therapy, and I hope that they are right. Right, Well,

883
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 1: the movie kind of frames the Gali leaving is the

884
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 1: catalyst for trauma. Yeah, it's it's it's Harriet's trauma, and

885
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: it's why she sort of lashes out and because like

886
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:55,319
Speaker 1: what happens is that people find her notebook where she

887
00:51:55,600 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: has said all these you know, perhaps truthful but still

888
00:51:59,360 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: mean things about all of her classmates, and then they

889
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: retaliate against her because they're like, you can't say this

890
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: horrible stuff about us, that's mean, and they kind of

891
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: shun her, but she retaliates against them again for having

892
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,160
Speaker 1: been really doubles down. She doubles down, and it's like,

893
00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: but like, that's also a realistic thing that I think

894
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: a lot of eleven year olds would do. I honestly,

895
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: watching this, I'm like I anytime I see a movie

896
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: where kids like kind of act out in a funny way, like, oh,

897
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: I wish I was I wish I was like a

898
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 1: bolder child, and I like recognize at the time and like,

899
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: this really isn't going to have that much of an

900
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,880
Speaker 1: effect on my life. I should just do some fucked

901
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:44,720
Speaker 1: up weird stuff. She gets like there, she really doubles

902
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: down in a way I would not have been brave

903
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: enough to attempt as as an eleven year old. It's inspiring, yeah,

904
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: because I think maybe a movie that had a lesser

905
00:52:55,320 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: understanding of like children's behavior and psychology would just to

906
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: have it so that her book got found all of

907
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: her you know, mean notes were revealed, and then she

908
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 1: would just be like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry.

909
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: Everyone better now. But like, no, that's not It spirals

910
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: out of control and I could like totally see myself

911
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,959
Speaker 1: like me, I don't think I ever did anything quite

912
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: like that. But like you know, when you're a kid

913
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: and you don't know how to hold yourself accountable for

914
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 1: any misdeeds you did, you're gonna keep lashing out because

915
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: you just don't know how else to process anything. I

916
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 1: had a really embarrassing thing like not I mean not

917
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:36,279
Speaker 1: as it wasn't a mean thing, but when I was

918
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: in fifth grade, I left an open document at the

919
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: computer lab saying that I was like trying to I

920
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,799
Speaker 1: don't know anyway. My teacher was Mr Brewster, and I

921
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: had typed the words Mr Brewster hot, and it became

922
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:54,719
Speaker 1: a thing that was you know, it was not an

923
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,439
Speaker 1: easy time to have been the girl that typed Mr

924
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: Brewster hot, because I meant it as a question, not

925
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: as a statement, not that anyone would believe me. I

926
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 1: meant Mr Brewster HoTT, but the punctuation wasn't there, and

927
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:12,640
Speaker 1: so and and and and I just doubled down in

928
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:16,320
Speaker 1: saying that it was a question and not a statement,

929
00:54:16,360 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: which made the whole thing worse. And being a child

930
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 1: is a full full fledged nightmare. It's traumatic, you really,

931
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: I think about it all, like, even thinking about it

932
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: now just still puts a pit in my stomach of like, damn,

933
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 1: should have just pressed backspace, like it would have been

934
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: so easy. That's basically the plot of Love Simon. By

935
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: the way, I yes, I was. Uh, it's actually based

936
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:47,879
Speaker 1: on me and Mr Brewster story. They licensed it from us. Incredible. Yeah,

937
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and then we'll come back

938
00:54:50,280 --> 00:55:01,520
Speaker 1: for more discussion and we're back. There are some as

939
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,720
Speaker 1: as well as this movie does at exploring the intricacies

940
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 1: of what it's like to be an eleven year old

941
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: girl with abundant resources and um parents who don't seem

942
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,560
Speaker 1: to be able to keep track of where their daughter

943
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 1: is most of the time because she's off doing spy

944
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 1: stuff and a New York version of New York that

945
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:27,799
Speaker 1: is very safe, very safe, and quite white. Um, which

946
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: brings me to some of the issues that the movie has.

947
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 1: So one of her spy targets is the Hong Fat family,

948
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: and she says something like, oh, they have a son, Frankie.

949
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:45,440
Speaker 1: He's cool American style, and then the parents are cool

950
00:55:45,640 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 1: Chinese style, and then she like makes a comment about

951
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 1: how the parents would rather have Frankie working in the

952
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: store selling milk and bread and lizards. So it's this

953
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,240
Speaker 1: joke made at the expense of like this immigrant family

954
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: and like, oh, this thing they do that's unfamiliar to me,

955
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: it must be gross or it's weird, it's other does

956
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 1: not age well, especially because it's like there's no I

957
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,719
Speaker 1: mean that's the end of there's no commentary. Like it's

958
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: just like there's so many things and it sucks because

959
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: I I wanted to believe better of this movie. Of

960
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: there are so many things in this movie that Harriet

961
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,160
Speaker 1: is wrong about and then she learns that she's wrong

962
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: and get some perspective on it. And you would think

963
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: that this would be a great opportunity for you to

964
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: be like, no, you're like a rich little white girl.

965
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,839
Speaker 1: You don't know what you're talking about here, Like, but

966
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: it just it never comes for this um storyline. No,

967
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: it does, unfortunately, not, does it not? UM. I was

968
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 1: also kind of bummed that, um, I don't even she

969
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 1: they give this character a name, but Marian's I guess,

970
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:02,960
Speaker 1: like sidekick. Yes, her name is Rachel. Yeah. I don't

971
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: love how that character is treated as one of the

972
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: only like non white students that we get to know,

973
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: and that she's kind of like relegated to this sidekick role,

974
00:57:12,600 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 1: and I also felt, I mean, Marian's character in general,

975
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how. I well, I guess I don't

976
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: know how. There's another weird class thing happening here because

977
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 1: we've got Sport who was very clearly from a low

978
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: income family. We've got Harriet who is rich, but then

979
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:35,120
Speaker 1: Marian is even richer, and so she's the villain. It's

980
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 1: like it's right, and it's like, I don't know, I

981
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: know that like rich people technically have feelings that we're

982
00:57:43,200 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: supposed to really care about it, but it was just

983
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 1: that whole story a lote. I was just like, what

984
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: is this like? Because it's like I don't want to

985
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: It's just like a rich girl being mean to another

986
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 1: rich girl and then being like, actually I should have

987
00:57:56,480 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: thought more about the richer girl. And there you're just like,

988
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: I don't know, who care about any of this because

989
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 1: it's like demonizing extra extreme excessive wealth and marrying because

990
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: they like have her say these really goofy things like, oh,

991
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: horseback riding if you can afford it is a super

992
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: fun activity. And then her idea for like a fun

993
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 1: game that all the children can play is let's role

994
00:58:25,040 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: play buying a Volvo. You'll pretend to be the rich couple,

995
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:32,919
Speaker 1: and you'll pretend to be the car salesman, and everyone's like, boo,

996
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:37,840
Speaker 1: you're an idiot. Um, so it's like kind of hates her, like,

997
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 1: but then it's like, Harry, you're also rich, Like what

998
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: do you like? She's like, I guess slightly less rich

999
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:49,120
Speaker 1: than Mary, and so Harry, it's like cool by everyone else.

1000
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like I ended up just kind of

1001
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: shrugging because I'm just like, I don't I guess that

1002
00:58:55,760 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: we're I made to an extent, we're supposed to like

1003
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: just be like we love Harriet no matter what. But

1004
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,520
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, Harriet, like check yourself a little bit here.

1005
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,400
Speaker 1: You're like you're in You're a three per center and

1006
00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: Marian's a one percent er. What's the fucking difference? Everyone

1007
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,000
Speaker 1: to relax. Also, during that scene where like all the

1008
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: children are pitching games that they might play, someone says

1009
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: something and then Harriet says, no, that's our word. She

1010
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: says the R word, which, again a very nineties thing

1011
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: to do, even a very like two thousand to some

1012
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,919
Speaker 1: degree two thousands tens things to be like that word

1013
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: was being used very casually. It's still kicked around to

1014
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 1: this day, to our infinite frustration. UM, yeah, I was.

1015
00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: That was I like jumped. I was like, no, no, there,

1016
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: how did you get here? How did you get in here?

1017
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,680
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the queer reading of this story? Please?

1018
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: So I was doing. I've been known to do a

1019
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:06,160
Speaker 1: little context corner myself every once in a while. Um,

1020
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:08,360
Speaker 1: not to step on your toes, Jamie, I know. I'm

1021
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: so sorry. Don't worry, don't worry. But I was doing

1022
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: some reading and um, full disclosure, I have not read

1023
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: the book that this is adapted from. It was banned.

1024
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:26,520
Speaker 1: It was, it was, it was so the author, Louise

1025
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: fitz Hugh, was a queer woman. The book has a

1026
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: pretty substantial queer following the way, and I think it

1027
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: has a lot to do with the way Harriet was

1028
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:40,680
Speaker 1: described in the book and just various actions and behaviors

1029
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: of hers throughout the story. I wanted to read an

1030
01:00:43,920 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 1: excerpt from an article that I found from The Guardian

1031
01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: entitled Harriet the Spy Helped Me come to terms with

1032
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 1: my queer identity by Cat Patrick. Quote Harriet the Spy

1033
01:00:57,440 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: blurred the lines between right and wrong in a way

1034
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 1: that liberated my nine year old brain as a kid

1035
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 1: who already felt left out by the mechanisms of femininity

1036
01:01:06,280 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: that everyone around me seemed to adopt with ease. Harriet

1037
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,800
Speaker 1: was the blue denim baby Butch I needed among the

1038
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: endless Balderina narratives. Back then, I didn't have the words

1039
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: for what I felt fizzing through my inside, and even now,

1040
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 1: fifteen years after coming out, I'm only just learning to

1041
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with how I present non binary Butch end quote.

1042
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: I recommend reading this entire article because the writer goes

1043
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: on to offer a queer reading on Harriet's spy route,

1044
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:40,200
Speaker 1: the idea of having to tell you know, little white

1045
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 1: lies to survive, but also remaining true to yourself. All

1046
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,320
Speaker 1: of these themes that are explored. Queer listeners. Let us

1047
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: know how the movie resonated with you and the book,

1048
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:51,960
Speaker 1: if you've read it, if you could get your hands

1049
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 1: on one, if you can even get your hands on it.

1050
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 1: I think, I mean, as far as the movie goes,

1051
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 1: and we're we always want to know more about what

1052
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:03,960
Speaker 1: our our queer listeners think and what your read is.

1053
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: But I think that like a strength of the movie

1054
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: is that it doesn't force heterosexuality on its child characters,

1055
01:02:11,920 --> 01:02:16,320
Speaker 1: like they're just being kids. There aren't like those constructs aren't.

1056
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 1: There's no external pressure for that really coming from any direction,

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01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: which is very I didn't realize. I mean I didn't

1058
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: even I was like so refreshed by it. Then I'm like, wow,

1059
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: this really does happen in every other kid's movie because

1060
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: it just like is it makes create so much room

1061
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: in this story for interpretation and just doing other things,

1062
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,680
Speaker 1: um by by not taking up too much real estate

1063
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: with like boy girl crushes, which is also just boring

1064
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: and bad writing. Yes, um, I have some context stuff

1065
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:55,080
Speaker 1: on the production, please, yes, this movie there, I mean

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01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: I pretty much love all of it. Uh So this

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01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 1: was directed by a woman, A pretty young women as well.

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01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 1: I think she was like twenty eight or twenty nine

1069
01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: when she directed the movie. It was her first big production.

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01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: Her name's Bronwyn Hughes. Everything I've read about her love

1071
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 1: She still is directing mostly like Prestige TV. Now. She

1072
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: directed a Better Call Soul episode this year like She's

1073
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:24,560
Speaker 1: out here. But this was her first movie, and I

1074
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 1: just was really interested in how she was able to

1075
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:32,000
Speaker 1: direct kids in a way that feels so organic. Because

1076
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 1: Caitlin and I have like joked around before like the

1077
01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: way that some child actors are directed, it just does

1078
01:03:38,120 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 1: them no favors. And the way that some child characters

1079
01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:42,920
Speaker 1: are written does them no favors. But like here the

1080
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:47,040
Speaker 1: spy feels like this big outlier and so um I

1081
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:51,520
Speaker 1: wanted to learn more about her direction style, and everything

1082
01:03:51,600 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: I read about her was that they were just like

1083
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:58,040
Speaker 1: she just had like the highest energy and she was

1084
01:03:58,080 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: like dancing with the kids all day, and so like

1085
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,520
Speaker 1: takes what happened right after, like Michelle tracton Berg was

1086
01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 1: like dancing around and then Brown when used to be

1087
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: like okay, now go, and that would like bring the

1088
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: energy into the scene. So here's a quote from Michelle

1089
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:17,400
Speaker 1: Tractonburg about it. She says, I don't remember her not

1090
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 1: dancing on set and music was always playing. It was

1091
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,160
Speaker 1: really cool and in terms of performance art, she was

1092
01:04:22,160 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 1: pretty ahead of her time. It was also a great

1093
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:28,320
Speaker 1: way to direct children and keep things alive, and so

1094
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,120
Speaker 1: I I just I don't know. I ended up finding

1095
01:04:31,400 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 1: a new director that I really want to see like

1096
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: more of her work just based off of and even

1097
01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: like the pacing of it has like such a cool

1098
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 1: like jazzy kind of pacing and some of the shots

1099
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:45,640
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, this is like kind of like art

1100
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: school for for a kid's movie. I like it. Yeah,

1101
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,880
Speaker 1: thats just the colors, and like the tone of the

1102
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:55,000
Speaker 1: whole thing is like it's like a little quirky but

1103
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:57,720
Speaker 1: yet still like a little gritty at the same time,

1104
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 1: like you had that New York grit to it. And

1105
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,480
Speaker 1: I agree. I just wanted to know more about her

1106
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: because I thought she did like a fabulous job. And

1107
01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: it's really hard to direct kids. I mean, I'll tell you,

1108
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,160
Speaker 1: Like when I was a kid, they would always just

1109
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 1: like there would be really good directors and really bad

1110
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:16,200
Speaker 1: um and I recently had to direct a child and

1111
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 1: he's a bit younger, so that was even harder. But

1112
01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 1: like it's it's a it's a big mighty task to

1113
01:05:21,960 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 1: take on. Yeah, and she just like kills it and

1114
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,200
Speaker 1: brilliant and you have to imagine that having a female

1115
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 1: director on this movie made a big difference to and

1116
01:05:31,360 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: just like how do we see the kids? And so

1117
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,200
Speaker 1: there's also two credited writers on this movie. One is

1118
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:42,200
Speaker 1: a man named Douglas Petrie who has done a ton

1119
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 1: of mostly TV writing, but on shows with a pretty

1120
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:50,200
Speaker 1: good reputation for representing women. You have. He was like

1121
01:05:50,280 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: a staff writer on Buffy the Vampire Slayer Forever, he

1122
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,480
Speaker 1: wrote an Angel, He's written a lot of well regarded

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01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,680
Speaker 1: female comic book characters. I don't know about books don't

1124
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: at me. Uh. And then the other writer is Teresa Rebec,

1125
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: who is famous for she's like a legendary female mystery

1126
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: writer and is known for writing like mysteries that have

1127
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 1: like a feminist character at the center. So it seems

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01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: like they just really brought together a really solid team

1129
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:26,800
Speaker 1: of majority women to make this movie happen, and it's

1130
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:29,720
Speaker 1: it feels like a great example of like a great

1131
01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:32,040
Speaker 1: product that you can get if you just kind of

1132
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 1: get some at least some of the right people in

1133
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: the room. I wonder how passionate they were and in

1134
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: finding the director and finding bron Wyn, like, how passionate

1135
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:44,400
Speaker 1: they were about finding a female director for this film,

1136
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 1: because I think it could have been completely different film

1137
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 1: without a female director um and a per female perspective.

1138
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 1: And like you know, nowadays there it's it's a requirement

1139
01:06:56,840 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 1: for a lot of films, and so I I would

1140
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,080
Speaker 1: just be curious in that time you know, how much

1141
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: of a stickler they wore for it, or if she

1142
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:07,480
Speaker 1: was just the right you know, like who was pushing

1143
01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:10,560
Speaker 1: for it. It's interesting because I feel like, especially in

1144
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 1: this era, like Nickelodeon has kind of a better track

1145
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 1: record with how it's females characters are written and treated

1146
01:07:19,080 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: than you know, if if you're going pound for pound

1147
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 1: against Disney, which you know their history with women is

1148
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 1: maybe not so great. I was also kind of surprised

1149
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: that this movie was not particularly well reviewed. It was

1150
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,760
Speaker 1: not at the time, and and a lot of this

1151
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 1: I will chalk up to, especially in the nineties, older

1152
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 1: white male film critics being like but and see anything.

1153
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,720
Speaker 1: This wasn't for me, and then just kind of being

1154
01:07:45,760 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 1: like Sia, but yeah, it seems like it was a

1155
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:53,760
Speaker 1: movie that was misjudged in its time as well, which

1156
01:07:53,800 --> 01:07:56,040
Speaker 1: is which was just, I guess kind of strange to

1157
01:07:56,080 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: me because I've truly never heard a bad word about

1158
01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: this movie. But for going back to the original reviews,

1159
01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: and I disagree with all of them, they're like, where's

1160
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: the mystery? Like there, she didn't even solve a mystery.

1161
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 1: I'm pissed. I had the same thought. Am I bad

1162
01:08:13,320 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: you're double campbook. But in any case, it's it's definitely

1163
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:22,680
Speaker 1: I think a movie that's reputation has really like solidified

1164
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:26,679
Speaker 1: over time. Apparently it didn't in the moment. I mean,

1165
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:28,680
Speaker 1: it has to be a bit of a cult following, right,

1166
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: like a little bit, and I I think totally those

1167
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:35,800
Speaker 1: weird you know that art feel that I think I

1168
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:39,120
Speaker 1: think you mentioned earlier. It's like some people get it

1169
01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,400
Speaker 1: and some people don't. And the tone of this is

1170
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:45,559
Speaker 1: really quirky, um, a little off kilter. And I feel

1171
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 1: like if you're if you know, you're not the blockbuster

1172
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 1: that they're looking for or the mainstream, it's not going

1173
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: to be well reviewed, but other people will get in. Yeah.

1174
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:58,360
Speaker 1: I feel like the core that the intended audience of

1175
01:08:58,439 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: this movie got it, and like it wasn't written for

1176
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 1: old guys and so they perhaps did not get it.

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: I also wanted to mention just because I'm like, this

1178
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 1: is interesting, Teresa Rebec she wrote the screenplay for the

1179
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:21,599
Speaker 1: Halleberry Catwoman movie, and you're like, oh, my cinematic masterpiece, Catwoman. Yeah,

1180
01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: so you know, people contain multitudes. They sure do. Um.

1181
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:29,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to touch a little bit on some of

1182
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: the adults in the movie one. I appreciate that the

1183
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: teacher was not villainized the way that a lot of

1184
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:41,760
Speaker 1: kids movies will vitainize educators. She was maybe made to

1185
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: seem a little oblivious, perhaps, but she wasn't this like

1186
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: mean authoritarian teacher the way that a lot of again,

1187
01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:54,439
Speaker 1: like kids movies will be like teacher bad um. And

1188
01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:59,439
Speaker 1: I understand, like the kids perspective perspective, sure teachers suck

1189
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 1: or sometimes they're hot. Something to consider hot question mark

1190
01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,960
Speaker 1: or not question mark. The teacher also magically disappears after

1191
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:12,160
Speaker 1: cleaning up Harriet with the blue paint, which also gave

1192
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,800
Speaker 1: me a slight panic attack. I was like, everybody, get

1193
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: off of her. She just disappears. Yeah, she's like, let's

1194
01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: clean Harriet up. And then you know, Marian's like spill

1195
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:27,599
Speaker 1: and then where's she? Where's the discipline? Um? But yeah,

1196
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 1: that was just a quick little thing I had. And

1197
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 1: then another quick, very quick moment in the movie, but

1198
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:38,280
Speaker 1: I appreciated this. It's after Harriet has tormented her entire

1199
01:10:38,320 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 1: class and cut their hair off and strung a bra

1200
01:10:42,240 --> 01:10:45,559
Speaker 1: up on the flagpole and like all this stuff. She

1201
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,599
Speaker 1: is at home and her parents come in and they

1202
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,479
Speaker 1: are trying to figure out, like what's happening, why did

1203
01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: she do this? And her dad comes in and he

1204
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 1: says something like I used to mess around in school too.

1205
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: He's like trying to make light of the situation, and

1206
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: then her mom says something like you always do that,

1207
01:11:04,160 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: you always make jokes, and then I have to come

1208
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 1: in here and be the grumpy one, which like, it's

1209
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,080
Speaker 1: not what this movie is about at all. It's like

1210
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 1: this tiny little moment that you would probably blanket you

1211
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 1: miss it kind of thing, but I just appreciate that

1212
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 1: small attempt to show that it is in a like

1213
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: mother father household, it is often the mother who has

1214
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:29,479
Speaker 1: to bear the kind of emotional burden and the emotional

1215
01:11:29,560 --> 01:11:33,120
Speaker 1: labor of like being the disciplinarian, whereas the dad gets

1216
01:11:33,160 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 1: to be like, um, goofyld fun. I don't know how

1217
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: to discipline my kids. It's not my job. I think

1218
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: we talked about this a lot in the Mrs Doultfire episode,

1219
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:48,639
Speaker 1: and that's also true of I mean, every family show

1220
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 1: I remember watching as a kid was like, you know,

1221
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 1: shrewy mom that occasionally has a scene that's like, but

1222
01:11:57,120 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 1: I love you, and then like goofy, Dad, Right, it's

1223
01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: cannon it maybe I remember my dad used to get

1224
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:08,160
Speaker 1: really mad about it. He's just like, I don't know,

1225
01:12:08,360 --> 01:12:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not really a fair of like who cares.

1226
01:12:11,120 --> 01:12:13,920
Speaker 1: But he was just like, not all dads are stupid.

1227
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:18,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, how does it feel to be negatively

1228
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:23,519
Speaker 1: portrayed in media? Dad? I just like just the mom

1229
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:27,040
Speaker 1: acknowledging that, and like acknowledging that frustration of like you

1230
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 1: get to be the fun one and I have to

1231
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:30,439
Speaker 1: come in here and be the grumpy one. Like I

1232
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 1: found that just to be a little, a little sliver

1233
01:12:32,520 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 1: of something I enjoyed, just a nugget, just leave it there.

1234
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:37,880
Speaker 1: And and and I liked that you do get a

1235
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: scene with Harriet and her mother where like Harriet, I

1236
01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: mean we we as an audience already know that Harriet's

1237
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 1: parents are very flawed parents that don't really understand their

1238
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:53,599
Speaker 1: child because they haven't spent time with her and listened

1239
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,720
Speaker 1: to her, Like if they had spent the same kind

1240
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 1: of time that Golly had, they would under have a

1241
01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:01,360
Speaker 1: better understanding of her. And I like, I mean, it's

1242
01:13:01,400 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 1: just like another shade of gray that this movie shows

1243
01:13:04,040 --> 01:13:07,519
Speaker 1: you with, like how kids relate to people in their lives.

1244
01:13:07,560 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 1: That I thought was really nice of like her mother

1245
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 1: admitting that she was wrong and that she doesn't always

1246
01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,280
Speaker 1: understand her daughter and that like that can be true

1247
01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 1: and she can be trying to be better, and you know,

1248
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:26,519
Speaker 1: you hope that moving moving forward that like, I don't know,

1249
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:30,679
Speaker 1: it's it's nice that Harriet got because Harriet dies does

1250
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 1: like deserve an apology from for how her parents treat her,

1251
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:37,120
Speaker 1: and it would have been nice for it to come

1252
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: from both parents. But I did like that mother daughter

1253
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: scene where you even though I'm like this mom needs

1254
01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,040
Speaker 1: to get it together, You're also like, well, okay, she

1255
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: acknowledges that she, you know, has work to do and

1256
01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:55,639
Speaker 1: that both parents have work to do. And I thought

1257
01:13:55,640 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 1: it was handled, you know, pretty well. Yeah, for sure.

1258
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,160
Speaker 1: There's another one last little thing is the movie and

1259
01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: this is like hardly anything, but there are two different

1260
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:08,360
Speaker 1: scenes in the movie where the kids are watching like

1261
01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:13,040
Speaker 1: you're developing bodies going through puberty. This is how it's

1262
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:18,479
Speaker 1: going to be, like really old videos, so they're like

1263
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 1: from the sixties or something, um. And then like the

1264
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 1: fact that Harriet pretty much body shames one of her

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01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 1: classmates for like, having grown boobs over the summer is

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01:14:29,400 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 1: again not something that we admire or recommend children do,

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01:14:34,280 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: but it is again just such a a realistic thing

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01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:41,080
Speaker 1: because like you know, as young kids, their bodies are changing,

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01:14:41,120 --> 01:14:44,160
Speaker 1: they're going through puberty. They don't know what's happening. They

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01:14:44,200 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 1: if they see someone else going through puberty first they

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01:14:46,720 --> 01:14:50,400
Speaker 1: think it's weird and gross. And like again, every basically

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01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 1: everything that Harriet does and her thoughts, well, some of

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: them are like pretty violent and I don't condone at all,

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01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,559
Speaker 1: like the like the kid with the stocks should hang himself. Um,

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01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:05,800
Speaker 1: that other girl someone should just kick her. Like those

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:08,599
Speaker 1: obviously are not okay and there's no justification for them.

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01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 1: But other ones, I'm just like, of course you think that,

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01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 1: because that's such an eleven year old understanding of bodies

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01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 1: or of like socioeconomic class and you know, just different

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01:15:19,439 --> 01:15:22,120
Speaker 1: things like that. So while some of them were quite

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01:15:22,120 --> 01:15:24,680
Speaker 1: troubling and violent, other ones I'm like, I mean, I

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01:15:24,720 --> 01:15:27,599
Speaker 1: don't like that she said this, but I understand because

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:34,479
Speaker 1: it's super realistic. Yeah, it's like it's complicated, it is

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01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,680
Speaker 1: coated with Harry at the spot. You know why that

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01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:40,640
Speaker 1: just speaks to like it's so refreshing to see like

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01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: a complicated depiction of a little girl of any female ki.

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01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean we like female characters are so often written

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01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:53,479
Speaker 1: to be so flat and stock and stereotypical that it

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01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:56,280
Speaker 1: is nice to I mean we talk about like women

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01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:59,160
Speaker 1: should be allowed to be mediocre in movies, women should

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01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: be allowed to like funk up and make mistakes, and

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01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: like that's really most of what Harriet is doing is

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:10,120
Speaker 1: like having to learn major life lessons, having to apologize

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01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:14,599
Speaker 1: for various misdeeds things like that, and um, yeah, yeah,

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01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: I think it's it's actually very refreshing to get to

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01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:22,400
Speaker 1: see like a little girl go through that arc. It's true,

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01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: this movie is fun. Yeah, kudis to the you know,

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01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: like Nickelodeon for because they're saying like age nine is

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01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:32,360
Speaker 1: like the common sense age and like most would be

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01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: too pure, you know, and not allow any of these

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01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: issues to really come to the forefront of the film themselves.

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01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:42,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I I really yeah, it's I'm like, it's

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01:16:42,240 --> 01:16:46,160
Speaker 1: very hard to imagine like Disney and taking a female

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01:16:46,200 --> 01:16:50,400
Speaker 1: protagonist this seriously, So I'm glad that Harriet was already

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:55,080
Speaker 1: there for us. Does anyone else have any final thoughts

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01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: about the film. I think so. The last thing I

1307
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 1: want to say is some anist icon Agatha k Plumber

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01:17:02,400 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 1: a k A. Eartha Kid's character who we own she

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01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:09,240
Speaker 1: SUPs to be like Agatha Chris. I was like, is

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01:17:09,240 --> 01:17:12,920
Speaker 1: this an Agatha Christie reference? What is Eartha Kid doing

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01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: in there? I like, there, don't know, but one of

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01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,639
Speaker 1: the few lines of dialogue she has is she's talking

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01:17:19,680 --> 01:17:22,599
Speaker 1: on the phone with someone and she says, I have

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01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: the secret of life. You simply crawl into your bed

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01:17:26,240 --> 01:17:30,040
Speaker 1: and never ever leave it again, which in the quarantine

1316
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:32,880
Speaker 1: is something that I have been doing, so thank you

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01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: for that. I get the k Plumber, I got, like, Hey,

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01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm just like, I feel like it's an act because

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01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,439
Speaker 1: especially because it's like a female mystery story, and like

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01:17:43,520 --> 01:17:46,440
Speaker 1: this has to be some weird I get the Christie

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01:17:47,080 --> 01:17:55,000
Speaker 1: at least reference. I'm guessing, Yeah, maybe Shrug does Harriet

1322
01:17:55,000 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 1: the Spy past the Bechtel Test by any chance? Yeah?

1323
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,759
Speaker 1: All the time. Lots of different combinations of characters. Harriet

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01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:08,400
Speaker 1: talks to Golly, to Janey, to her mom, to her teacher,

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01:18:08,479 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: to marry In. Yeah, lots of different combinations of characters,

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01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: and they're taught. They're not talking about boys or men

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01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:19,280
Speaker 1: hardly ever. And there's also non Harriet combos to like

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01:18:19,400 --> 01:18:22,719
Speaker 1: Janey talks to her mom and Maryan talks to Rachel,

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01:18:22,720 --> 01:18:25,160
Speaker 1: and there's Yeah, there's a lot of good this. This

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01:18:25,320 --> 01:18:29,760
Speaker 1: handily pass the test. Absolutely. Let's rate it on her

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01:18:29,800 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 1: Nipple scale zero to five nipples based on its representation

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01:18:33,080 --> 01:18:37,920
Speaker 1: of women. I would I would give this, I think

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01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,200
Speaker 1: like a four. Um. I'll take some points off for

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01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:49,040
Speaker 1: the very nineties punching down humor and language that we

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01:18:49,400 --> 01:18:52,760
Speaker 1: see here and there, especially because I read that in

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01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:56,880
Speaker 1: the book it's an Italian family that she spies on.

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01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:02,360
Speaker 1: It's the De Santi family, UM. So the adaptation deliberately

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01:19:02,439 --> 01:19:05,479
Speaker 1: changed it to the hung fat family, UM, and then

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01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:09,160
Speaker 1: made Harriet be kind of racist. So you know, you

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01:19:09,200 --> 01:19:11,720
Speaker 1: don't get a nipple for that. You don't get a

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01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:14,880
Speaker 1: nipple for that. Also, just like I mean, even though

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01:19:14,920 --> 01:19:18,040
Speaker 1: the movie does address class, it is still like and

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01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:22,679
Speaker 1: here's this you know, wealthy white girl and her story

1344
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:26,479
Speaker 1: because that's the story that you know, we feel needs

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01:19:26,520 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: to be told more than other people's stories. So, you know,

1346
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:35,599
Speaker 1: not not a perfect film or story, but I do

1347
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 1: think it but much closer than most movies we've covered,

1348
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,639
Speaker 1: for sure. So I'll give it four nipples. I'll give

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01:19:42,360 --> 01:19:46,759
Speaker 1: one to Janey, Okay, I'll give one to Janey the character,

1350
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,439
Speaker 1: and I'll give one to Vanessa Chester. Um, thanks again

1351
01:19:50,520 --> 01:19:53,160
Speaker 1: so much to her for chatting with us and giving

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01:19:53,160 --> 01:19:57,960
Speaker 1: her input. Um. I will give one to your voice,

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01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: Jenna that is present in the playgrounds or the you know,

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01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:09,120
Speaker 1: the various scenes. Um. And I'll give one to Harriet. No. Actually,

1355
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give my fourth nipple to earth a Kit

1356
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:13,880
Speaker 1: and her um just wanting to stay in bed for

1357
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 1: the rest of her life can relate. Yeah, I'm gonna

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01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 1: go with four nipples on this too. I think for

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01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:24,240
Speaker 1: nine this movie does very well, but it still has

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01:20:24,280 --> 01:20:26,960
Speaker 1: I mean, as we discussed, it has its shortcomings, it

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01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:32,400
Speaker 1: has its dated nous, and it has, as most children's media,

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01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:37,719
Speaker 1: a fixation on uh Rich White family above any other family.

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01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:41,639
Speaker 1: It loses the nipple for that, But in terms of

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01:20:41,880 --> 01:20:48,040
Speaker 1: creating a fleshed out, um not hyper sexualized female character

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01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,840
Speaker 1: that makes mistakes that learned from those mistakes, maybe not

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01:20:51,880 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 1: as mistakes, many mistakes as we would have liked, but

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01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,400
Speaker 1: more than I expected to be honest. Yeah, just like

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01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: has a full life and is allowed a funk up

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01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:05,480
Speaker 1: and learn and have interests that are not hyper feminine

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01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,880
Speaker 1: and and eat mayonnaise sandwiches and ship like. It's all great,

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01:21:09,439 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 1: um and and I do generally I like the small

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:17,680
Speaker 1: class commentary. I mean, you know, probably could go a

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01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: little further, but it's a great movie. I really like it.

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01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 1: I feel like it. It super holds up in most ways.

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01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:31,280
Speaker 1: So I'll give one nipple to Jenna's omniscient voice. I'll

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01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:35,880
Speaker 1: give one nipple to Michelle Trachtenberg, one to Vanessa Chester,

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01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:39,280
Speaker 1: and I'll complete earth the kids set, give her give

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01:21:39,320 --> 01:21:43,240
Speaker 1: her another nip. Incredible, Jenna, what about you? Yeah, I

1379
01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,519
Speaker 1: would give it for nipples. One nipple definitely does not

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01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 1: get given any any attention. Yeah, for you know, the

1381
01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:56,040
Speaker 1: little uh I don't want to call them slip ups,

1382
01:21:56,080 --> 01:22:00,479
Speaker 1: but the shortcomings with the you know, a socio economic

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01:22:00,520 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 1: class and this young girl of really who has quite

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01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:06,519
Speaker 1: a lot of privilege. But I do I do want

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01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:09,559
Speaker 1: to say, like I I give the four for the

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01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:14,559
Speaker 1: representation for kids and females to be specific, young girls

1387
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: who like Harriet have sort of found their purpose in

1388
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:21,760
Speaker 1: the world in a way. Like as a writer and

1389
01:22:21,800 --> 01:22:23,840
Speaker 1: it's just trying to figure out where it fits in

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01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:26,280
Speaker 1: the world. And to have a kid who has purpose.

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01:22:26,360 --> 01:22:29,599
Speaker 1: I think that's why we, you know, as kids related

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01:22:29,640 --> 01:22:32,240
Speaker 1: to her at least I did as a young girl

1393
01:22:32,240 --> 01:22:35,759
Speaker 1: who had a purpose to or I wanted her purpose

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01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:38,800
Speaker 1: in that moment in time, and I think that was

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01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:42,559
Speaker 1: not and it still is not represented enough um in media.

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01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:49,439
Speaker 1: So I definitely give the nipples to Rosie, to Jake Cameron,

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01:22:49,720 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: to Michelle and to Vanessa. Awesome, Jenna, thank you so

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01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,439
Speaker 1: much for being here, for joining us today. Thanks for

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01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,320
Speaker 1: having me so much fun to um break down the

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Speaker 1: Harry at the spot Absolutely what would you like to plug? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it all of it. I think you were the seasons.

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Speaker 1: only made it to five. I'm so sorry. So you

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Speaker 1: were part of the pretty good No no, no, that's

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Speaker 1: that was pretty good. Thank you. But it started long

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Speaker 1: And thank you for listening. Oh and thanks again to

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Speaker 1: Vanessa Chester for taking the time to talk to us.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to follow her on social media and go

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Speaker 1: movie Book Smart. She's the best. Yeah. And with that,

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Speaker 1: the spy with social distancing, that's kind of what spying is.

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Speaker 1: It's true, it's just true. Observing people at a distance.

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Speaker 1: Spying is hot right now? He reasonal social distance sir,

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Speaker 1: that's right, all right, Bye bye bye