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Speaker 1: And we had a few u technical difficulties there, but

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So are you originally from the state

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Speaker 1: of North Carolina? I am. I was born in Shelby,

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Speaker 1: carry some pool and sure, yeah I know, but but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you ought to. You know, I think what

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Speaker 1: I'm proposing is reasony. And most of the gun owners

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Speaker 1: I've talked to agree that they are not opposed to.

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Speaker 1: You know, they think there ought to be some common

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Speaker 1: sense applied. So you know, as I said it, I

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00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: know for my opponent, you know, is brought up that

436
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,640
Speaker 1: you know some of the events I've been to, I said, look,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to ban assault weapons, but I can't get

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Speaker 1: elected running on that, so I'm proposing this alternative. And

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00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: that's true. But you know, when you run for office,

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00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:17,400
Speaker 1: you don't run to implement your own views. You run

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00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 1: to represent the district. And I know in this district

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00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,879
Speaker 1: a ban on assault weapons is not what the people want.

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Speaker 1: So I've tried to come up with something that I

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Speaker 1: think strikes a reasonable balance. Um, you know that accommodates

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00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: everybody's interests. You saw the right to have have your weapons,

446
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: but if you want something that's capable of mass destruction,

447
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: then holding you to a little higher standard, I don't

448
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 1: think it is unreasonable. Well, uh, you know that we

449
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: don't have enough of that right now. Is you know,

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00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: being able to talk with people on the other side

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00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 1: of the aisle as it may be, and king and

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00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's common sense. And so I could think

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00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: it's you know, for some groups, that's a deal breaker.

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Speaker 1: I had talked last week with a national group of

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00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,040
Speaker 1: a progressive national group that I would love to have

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Speaker 1: their support and endorsement that for them, assault weapons is

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Speaker 1: a is a deal breaker, and I'm just not gonna

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Speaker 1: do something. It's right to tell people that I'm going

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00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: to do something that i've you know, I don't believe.

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Speaker 1: And so I lost their endorsement because I won't commit

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Speaker 1: to a ban on assault weapons. But I still get

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00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: an ask from the n R. You can't losing their

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Speaker 1: two other things that are always on everyone's mind, education

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Speaker 1: and health care. Will start with education. I know that,

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Speaker 1: you know when I lived in North Carolina, and that

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00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: was a few years ago, but you know they're there.

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00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: Early areas are not good when it came to local

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00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 1: spending on you know, students, And I saw on your

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00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: website that there's still kind of in the bottom third

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Speaker 1: of the nation um in math and reading skills, and

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Speaker 1: you know that that's always a it's a hot Bunton

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Speaker 1: issue with everyone. And you know, how how can we

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Speaker 1: make education better in this country? Well, you know, education

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00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: is primarily a state and local issue, and it's really

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Speaker 1: disappointing for me, I said, I When I grew up here,

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Speaker 1: I went through first grade through twelve in the public

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Speaker 1: school system down in Shelby, and then I went to

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Speaker 1: Appalachian State in North Carolina Central, which are both part

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Speaker 1: of the u NC system. So I've got nineteen years

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Speaker 1: of my life was spent in public education here in

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Speaker 1: North Carolina. And back then, we prided ourselves on good

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Speaker 1: schools and good roads, and you know, we had Research

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00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: Triangle Park for anybody ever heard of Silicon Valley. And

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Speaker 1: back then we were a proud, progressive, forward leaning southern state.

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Speaker 1: And I think we were the envy of the Southeast

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Speaker 1: back when I was growing up. But it seems like

487
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: we're the last decade or so that their folks are

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00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: trying to turn the clock back, and one of the

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Speaker 1: things they've attacked is public education and by starving off funds.

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Speaker 1: I was. I was out in Cherokee County, which is

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Speaker 1: the furthest west county in North Carolina, and there was

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Speaker 1: a woman I was talking to There is a school teacher,

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Speaker 1: but she's teaching in Georgia, which is only about fifteen

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00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: miles away. Because the pay in Georgia's ten thousand dollars

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00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:36,920
Speaker 1: a year more than in North Carolina. So it's sad.

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Speaker 1: Like you said, you know, our kids and are rural

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00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: schools here in North Carolina rank in the bottom third

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00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: of the country and math and reading skill, so I'm

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Speaker 1: hoping that that's what I've tried to stress the folks,

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00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: you got to vote blue all the way up and

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00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: down the ballot, because we need to put some Democrats

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00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,640
Speaker 1: back into in charge of our state legislature and take

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Speaker 1: care of public education. And the one thing I can

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Speaker 1: do from a federal level is with Title one. Title

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00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 1: ones a program has been around for a long time

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Speaker 1: that provides federal funding for counties that are high in

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Speaker 1: poverty to attract and retain top notch educators. Fourteen of

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Speaker 1: our seventeen counties that make up this district in fourteen

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Speaker 1: of the seventeen or or above the national average and poverty.

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Speaker 1: So I'd like to Title one has never gotten the

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Speaker 1: funding that it that it needs, So I'd like to

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Speaker 1: fight for more funding for Title one because we have schools.

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Speaker 1: There's an article not too long ago in our paper

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Speaker 1: here saying that the average local support for public education

515
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 1: averages about sixteen hundred dollars per pupil. The high water

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00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: mark is down in Orange County. That's the Durham you know,

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00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: the Research Triangle area, and that's apparently a very affluent

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Speaker 1: part of the state, and the kids down there, it's

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00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: over ten thousand dollars a year per pupil that's spent

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Speaker 1: on their education. Out Here in the West, we have

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Speaker 1: Slain County and the average there is four hundred and

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Speaker 1: fifty dollars per pupil. And it's not you know, it's

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00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: just not rocket science that you know, a kid that's

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00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 1: got four hundred and fifty bucks spent on in versus

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00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: one it's got ten thousand. That's not you know, they're

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Speaker 1: not playing on the same field. And I don't think

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Speaker 1: there's any way to the equalize where everybody gets the same.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the quality of your education shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: determined by your zip CoA. So we've got to do

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00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: better to UH to support public education. And my opponent

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00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: UH says public public universities and public schools are liberal

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00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: indoctrination centers, so he wants to abolish the Department of

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00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: the Education. And of course he was homeschooled and has

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00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 1: never spent one day of his life in a public school.

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00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: But he's the authority now on on public education. But

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00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: we can do better. That's an area where I view

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00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:56,000
Speaker 1: education as an investment, not an expense, because those are

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00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: the those children will be the ones running our country

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00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: and you know, in a generation or two right now.

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Speaker 1: And the fact show that you know, the more education,

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00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: the higher your income. That's just a fact. And when

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00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,520
Speaker 1: you earn more, you pay more in taxes and you

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00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: spend more in your community. So it's to me it's

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00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: a win win, and rather than treating it as an expense,

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00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: I think we've got to be looking at it as

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Speaker 1: an investment. Absolutely. And I also liked your one of

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00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,959
Speaker 1: the points you've made on your website about supporting the

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00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 1: expansion broadband broadband internet through about your rural district because again,

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00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, I think so much learning goes

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Speaker 1: on today through the Internet, especially now of course this

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00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: year with the pandemic that we're all you know, hopefully

552
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: we'll all get through this in the very new but

553
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: you know we've seeing that now. They were lying on that. Yeah. Yeah,

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00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,600
Speaker 1: broadband is an issue that I'm right. I think it

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00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: is a non partisan issue here in western North Carolina

556
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: because it if you don't have it, it doesn't matter

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00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat or Republican or an independent. I mean,

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00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 1: if you don't have it, you're behind. And COVID nineteen

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00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 1: has really shown why it's an at issue I've been

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00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: talking about, you know, way before COVID nineteen. The COVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen you really put a spotlight on it because you know,

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00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 1: when it hit, a lot of our schools sent kids

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Speaker 1: home with laptops. But if you're in one of our

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Speaker 1: nationwide of Americans have access to broadband, and North Carolina

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00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: as a whole is a little ahead of that we're about,

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Speaker 1: but we've got counties out here where it's less than

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Speaker 1: fifty percent. So when those kids took the laptop home,

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Speaker 1: it was a paperweight. You know, they didn't have internet,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of folks have never heard of telemedicine

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00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: until COVID nineteen hit. But if you're in Upon Upon,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the hollis where they don't have broadband,

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Speaker 1: you can't use it. And I mentioned that, you know,

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Speaker 1: fourteen of our seventeen counties are above the national average

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Speaker 1: and poverty. You can't recruit industry now, you can't bring

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Speaker 1: in good paying jobs if you don't have broadband, because

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00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: isn't essential utility today like water and electricity. If you

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Speaker 1: don't have it, they're not coming. And then I'm a

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00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: disciple of that. I used to be a hospital. We

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Speaker 1: got one of either the best or one of the

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Speaker 1: best the best VA hospitals here in Nashville, and that's

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Speaker 1: where I go. And in our newsletter a couple of

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Speaker 1: weeks ago had said that since March the first, the

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Speaker 1: number of telemedicine appointments the v A or up a

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Speaker 1: thousand percent. But if there's sixty five thousand veterans in

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Speaker 1: this district, and if you're eligible for v A and

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00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 1: Europe in one of those areas that didn't have broadband,

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Speaker 1: you can't use that benefit. This week I got I've

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00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: got my first telemedicine appointment with the VA coming up.

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Speaker 1: So the lack of broadband is hurting us across healthcare, education, economically.

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Speaker 1: It's just we're behind. Do we need to catch up?

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00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: And there's a bill Jim Clyburn from South Carolina has

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Speaker 1: a billy introduced in the House that would treat this

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00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: like we did back in the nineteen thirties and they

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Speaker 1: had rural electrification, and it would treat broadband the same

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Speaker 1: way to bring broadband to those rural counties the way

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00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: we brought electricity to it ninety years ago. Yeah, and

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00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: and again you're talking about the feet I had a

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Speaker 1: VA appointment this morning at eight o'clock. And you know,

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Speaker 1: now a lot of my therapy appointments are done virtually,

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Speaker 1: you know, over the internet, and luckily and the internet

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Speaker 1: didn't go out, I mean this morning during my appointment.

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00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: But that's also things will have to deal with. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think better than of my appointments, I

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00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: don't have to go actually see a doctor. I can

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00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:58,799
Speaker 1: do it over the broadband, and it's it's much more convenient.

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00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: It's you know, I think it saves time and saves expense.

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00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: You don't have to drive all the way to the hospital,

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00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: you know, and especially a lot of our events are

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00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: getting up there in age and they have a hard

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00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: time getting to it from so I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I know I'm getting away from the education aspect,

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Speaker 1: but that's where, you know, I'm all for that as well.

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Speaker 1: And while we're on the subject, you know, I know

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Speaker 1: v A is they've gone through quite a few changes.

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00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: I think that turned the corner. I think they're doing

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Speaker 1: a lot better than they were a few years ago.

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00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: But they still have a long way to go, don't

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Speaker 1: they do. And that's uh, you know, I feel really

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00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: fortunate that you know. About a mile from where I'm

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Speaker 1: city is the the A Hospital, and it's a great hospital.

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Speaker 1: That's from my dad. I mentioned my dad was disabled

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00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,919
Speaker 1: veteran from World War Two and I can remember over

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Speaker 1: half a century ago coming up here with him to

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Speaker 1: go to the v A Hospital and they've taken great

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00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: care of me. So one of the things I want

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00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: to do is I'm hoping to get a seat on

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Speaker 1: the Veterans Affairs Committee so I can make sure that

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00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: we take care of the v A. That's a big

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00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: issue around here. I know, whether Democrat, Republican or independent,

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00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: if you're a veteran that uses the VA the vast majority,

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00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: you want to keep it and not privatize it. So

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Speaker 1: that's something I want to I want to try to

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00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 1: make sure we do. Yeah, absolutely, because I think when

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00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: you privatize it, I don't know, maybe I'm speaking out attorney,

635
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like when it gets privatized that the

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00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: care level is going to go down. Yeah. The doctor

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Speaker 1: and the doctor, I see the v A was in practice,

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00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: excuse me, in practice here in Ashville for a long time,

639
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,319
Speaker 1: and is the practice got bought out by a corporation

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00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: and he said he stayed on for about a year,

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00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: but it became very clear that it was about profit

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Speaker 1: and not fatient care. And that's when he left the

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Speaker 1: now here, it's not about billable hours and profit margins,

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Speaker 1: is about taking care of people. And that's why I

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Speaker 1: went to medical school. So I agree. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: some things that you know, the other side wants to

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Speaker 1: try to find a profit margin and everything, whether it's

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Speaker 1: education or prisons or veterans healthcare and I guess now

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Speaker 1: the post office. But there's some things that you know,

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Speaker 1: veterans are entitled to the promise that was made, and

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Speaker 1: that's they can go to the v A and the

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Speaker 1: v as going to take care of their medical needs.

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Speaker 1: And they do, like to said a great job. A

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Speaker 1: few years ago, I wouldn't have told you that, because

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Speaker 1: you know where I was calling that I stopped calling

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Speaker 1: actually because I didn't like the way to treating veterans

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Speaker 1: at the time. But that's that's really really changed, and

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Speaker 1: I think they're doing a great job, and I and

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Speaker 1: I think it's getting better, I'm sure, you know, like

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Speaker 1: anyone anyone else, I think it can be better. But

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Speaker 1: at the same time, I'm pretty place with what they're

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Speaker 1: doing from especially for myself, I can only speak for

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Speaker 1: this guy is standing here, But I think the v

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Speaker 1: to the state of Florida and the clinic that I'm

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Speaker 1: going to Cape Coral is really really good and I'm

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Speaker 1: very happy with it. So let's hope that we can

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Speaker 1: keep that ball rolling in the right direction. So especially

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Speaker 1: with the suicide issues, it's almost an epidemic right now

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Speaker 1: amongst veterans, and you know, that's one area that I

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Speaker 1: think the entire country is struggling with. I know the

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Speaker 1: v A is looking for starting a new program, but

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Speaker 1: it's it's far too high. I mean they're talking between

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Speaker 1: seven two a day, and how can we do You

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Speaker 1: do you have a plan on how we can help that? Well,

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Speaker 1: I think we've we've got to continue to focus on it.

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Speaker 1: Did not ignore it. I went out. You know, we've

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Speaker 1: been really limited to what we've done with COVID nineteen

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Speaker 1: on public events. But when I went to a couple

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Speaker 1: of months back, was out in Cherokee County as a

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Speaker 1: group of veterans did a twenty two mile walk to

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Speaker 1: mark the Veteran suicides per day to try to call

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Speaker 1: attention to it, but I think it's it's it's got

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Speaker 1: to be part of a comprehensive another issue we didn't

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Speaker 1: really have gotten into his healthcare and I think our

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Speaker 1: our entire health care system, we maybe COVID nineteen is

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Speaker 1: the impetus to to finally address it. That we've got

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Speaker 1: a decouple your ability to get healthcare from your employment,

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Speaker 1: where if you lose your job, you don't lose your

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Speaker 1: ability to get to the doctor because being able to

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Speaker 1: get treatment because you have for a lot of veterans

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Speaker 1: that they're not near to be a hospital, they're just

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Speaker 1: out in the community. They need to be able to

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Speaker 1: get get treatment. And we're just done a poor job

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Speaker 1: with healthcare in this country in general. We spend more

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Speaker 1: money on it than any other country in the world,

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Speaker 1: but we don't have the best outcomes. So I'm hoping

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Speaker 1: that this will maybe be h yeah, the the catalyst

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Speaker 1: for for for change in healthcare, because I think we

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Speaker 1: not just for veterans, but for for everyone. It's a

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Speaker 1: big issue right now. You know, if a lot of

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Speaker 1: people can afford the premiums that they have to pay,

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Speaker 1: and you know, as you said, I think I think

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Speaker 1: it's what one ten presented the people in America now

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Speaker 1: and don't have any whatsoever. Yeah, No, you're exactly right.

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Speaker 1: It's a you know, we spend over eleven thousand dollars

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Speaker 1: a year per person on healthcare and we had over

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Speaker 1: thirty million people that don't have coverage. Were other countries

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Speaker 1: that we consider to be our peers and our allies,

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Speaker 1: like you know, England, France, Germany, Canada on average spend

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Speaker 1: about half what we spend and everybody's covered. So you know,

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Speaker 1: we can do a much better job, I think, more

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Speaker 1: efficiently and make sure we cover everybody. I mean, you

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Speaker 1: shouldn't have to. It's not just there. There are people

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Speaker 1: that have coverage that are underinsured. I was talking to

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Speaker 1: my the other day is a family of four. I

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Speaker 1: think they said they were paying eight thousand dollars a

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Speaker 1: year in premium and they had a four thousand dollars deductible.

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Speaker 1: So you know, I'm sure you've known people do that.

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Speaker 1: You know, when they something happens, it's like, well do

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Speaker 1: to us. So I just try to tough it out

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Speaker 1: and see if it goes away, or do I send

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Speaker 1: them money. I'm guilty of that. We should we shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be doing that. We had to we had to be

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Speaker 1: if we can cover every And what I'm supporting advocated

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Speaker 1: for is that govern the funded public option. Say that

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Speaker 1: cradle to grade, you have the ability to go to

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Speaker 1: the doctor and you don't go bankrupt. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you have a serious illness or an accident. Six out

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Speaker 1: of ten personal bankruptcies in this country, six out of

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Speaker 1: ten are based on medical debt. And I've met a

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Speaker 1: number of folks around here that have said, look, I

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Speaker 1: thought I had a good job, and I thought I

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Speaker 1: had good insurance, and then I got cancer and I

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Speaker 1: maxed out my policy and ended up filing for bankruptcy,

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Speaker 1: and you know, we can do better. Well, Um, I

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Speaker 1: think that's always a big issue with with our listeners

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Speaker 1: and readers. I mean, because it goes with what what I

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Speaker 1: was saying. You know, ask me, especially as we age,

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Speaker 1: we need better healthcare and you know, there's too many

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Speaker 1: people in this contry that they're going without it. So

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Speaker 1: hopefully we can we can all work together and get

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Speaker 1: that squared away. I mean in the future. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: hope so, because our system is really geared on fixing

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Speaker 1: problems after they occur, rather than preventing problems from occurring

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Speaker 1: to begin with. So I'd love to see us be

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Speaker 1: able to make sure everybody's covered and focus on preventative

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Speaker 1: health rather than waiting until the problem happens and then

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Speaker 1: try to try to treat well. And then one of

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Speaker 1: the other things I found very interesting on your website

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Speaker 1: was North Carolina is second in the country and solar

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Speaker 1: energy production, and that, you know, when you're talking about

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Speaker 1: jobs the economy, and that's an area where I think unemployment,

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Speaker 1: you know, we can kind of nip that in the

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Speaker 1: bud and uh, you know, can you talk a little

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Speaker 1: bit about your jobs? Yeah, yeah, I was, I'll be honestly,

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Speaker 1: I was surprised too to find out the North Carolina

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Speaker 1: ranked second behind California and solar energy production. And I

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Speaker 1: mentioned my wife and I built the house and we've

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Speaker 1: been here ten weeks now, but we put in solar

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Speaker 1: and this power we've got power built today and the

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Speaker 1: first one we've gotten since our solar has been fully

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Speaker 1: up and running. And our bill last month was over

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Speaker 1: a hundred and sixty dollars and this month is sixteen dollars,

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Speaker 1: which is the monthly search. It's actually the monthly surcharge.

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Speaker 1: There's we had no We actually put more energy electricity

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Speaker 1: into the into the grid than we and we took out,

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Speaker 1: So we've got a credit for where we can pull

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Speaker 1: power back out of the system. But I think green

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Speaker 1: technology is the way forward for western North Carolina. And

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Speaker 1: I mentioned we've got a high rate of poverty here.

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Speaker 1: Back before COVID nineteen, the unemployment rate around the district

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Speaker 1: was about three and a half percent, which is pretty

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Speaker 1: close to the national average. We had counties for the

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Speaker 1: poverty rate was tells me that people were working, but

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Speaker 1: they weren't earning a living. And so I think green

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Speaker 1: technology is a win win. I mean, those are good jobs,

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Speaker 1: both manufacturing the equipment and installing the equipment, and it's

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Speaker 1: a good deal for the consumer. And I think some

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Speaker 1: of the folks that if you go out and it's

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Speaker 1: kind of like Obamacare, you know, there's some of the

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Speaker 1: rural counties going talked about Obamacare, then they immediately accused

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Speaker 1: you of being a socialist. But if you said, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about letting people with pre existing

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Speaker 1: conditions get coverage? They like that, or if you said,

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Speaker 1: what do you think about letting your kids stay until

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Speaker 1: their twenty six so they can get through school and

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Speaker 1: get up and running before they get They like that,

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Speaker 1: but it was the label they hated. And I think

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Speaker 1: the Green New Deal is kind of the same way,

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Speaker 1: where you know, if you talk about the Green New Deal,

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Speaker 1: they say you're a socialist. But if you if you

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Speaker 1: talk to about how would you like not to write

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Speaker 1: a check to the power company every month? They like that.

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Speaker 1: And for what you're what you're paying for your power

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Speaker 1: bill with the Fed a tax credit which the Republicans

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Speaker 1: are continuing to erode. With the tax credit and the

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Speaker 1: rebate from our power company, it made it economical for

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Speaker 1: us to put in solar. And they can plot out,

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Speaker 1: you know, how long it takes to recoup your investment.

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Speaker 1: For us, it's like ten or twelve years. But for

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Speaker 1: what you're paying for power, you can put in solar

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Speaker 1: and after a period of time, you're making money. And

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Speaker 1: I think you can also appeal with some of those

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Speaker 1: folks on national security grounds, because if we're making electricity

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Speaker 1: up on the roof of the house, you know, we

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Speaker 1: don't need to be garden pipelines in the Middle East

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Speaker 1: and shipping lanes if we can make it right here

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Speaker 1: at home. So I think there's an opportunity two, you know,

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Speaker 1: to get folks on board to do something that's you know,

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Speaker 1: it's good for the economy, but it's good for the

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Speaker 1: environment too, absolutely, And that's a that's a great one,

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Speaker 1: you know, when you're talking about green energy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I know the town that I just moved from up

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Speaker 1: in Massachusetts, they went on this big, you know, see kick,

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Speaker 1: and people were vastly against it when they first heard

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Speaker 1: about it, and then more and more people started getting

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Speaker 1: on board because you talked to your neighbors and you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying an electric bill anymore, and especially out

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Speaker 1: there in the winter, your your electric bill get high

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Speaker 1: during the lip of time, I mean, you know, because

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Speaker 1: you're running everything and you're trying to keep your house

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Speaker 1: warm in the lit and people were saying, you know, hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying anything anymore. And uh so it became

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Speaker 1: a thing up there. And now I'm in my old town,

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Speaker 1: solar is like, I'm probably a third of the homes

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Speaker 1: out there in that one little time. But it's starting

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Speaker 1: to grow, and I think again, it's something you know

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Speaker 1: we can cut down our national energy costs in our

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Speaker 1: reliance on for and of oil, which we don't know

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Speaker 1: it's the cause of many of our country's skills right now. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's a great opportunity. And uh, like

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, it's it's good economically, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's good environmentally. It's a it's a win win, and

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Speaker 1: you know, we have the technologies, no matter having the

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Speaker 1: will to do it. And I think like you're saying,

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Speaker 1: there are we have a couple of towns here that

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Speaker 1: public buildings they put in. You know, the community is

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Speaker 1: no longer playing a power bill. They're making their own electricity.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's an exciting opportunity. And there's some stuff

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Speaker 1: coming down the road. There's uh it's called V two

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Speaker 1: eight something from me with it's vehicle. The home. We're

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Speaker 1: like my house here, we put in a tin kill

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Speaker 1: a lot battery, so if our power goes out, I've

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Speaker 1: got ten killer lots of power to keep it running

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Speaker 1: for a while. But if you have a tesla, the

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Speaker 1: battery in your tesla is probably somewhere between eight and

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Speaker 1: a lot eight to twelve times bigger than the battery

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Speaker 1: I've got here in my house, and with the two

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Speaker 1: H technology, when you pull into your garage, you plug

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Speaker 1: up your car. But with V too H technology, when

855
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Speaker 1: your house needs power, it pulls it from your car

856
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 1: back to the house, and a battery that size would

857
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: run a normal size house for assuming there was no

858
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: sunlight at all, you could keep your house powered with

859
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: your car for three or four days. So there's a

860
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: lot of promises. Yeah, they're actually the nie the Nissan

861
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: Leaf is available now is the first car here in

862
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: this country that has V too H technology. So and

863
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: for hours we had the folks that's it's pre wired

864
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 1: for it because we're not there yet. But yeah, it's

865
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: it's really some exciting stuff out there that, like I said,

866
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: could be good economically and good environmentally. Yeah, and uh

867
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: let's move on. Um. Obviously, with everything that's going on

868
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 1: in the country right now, you know, a big things

869
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 1: poet reform and UM protests and violence going across the country.

870
00:51:05,040 --> 00:51:06,840
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's just not everyone. I don't know

871
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: if you've had any issues in North Carolina as we've

872
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:16,120
Speaker 1: seen now father, you know, Um, it's something that people

873
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: are really for or really against it. It doesn't seem

874
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 1: to have anything you know, where people are split down

875
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:28,919
Speaker 1: the mental of this, and I know North Carolina isn't.

876
00:51:29,600 --> 00:51:32,400
Speaker 1: It's really a law and order state. So I was

877
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: curious of your tay on all this. You know, what's

878
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 1: going on with racial injustice and police reform. Yeah, it's uh,

879
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: you know, we haven't had you know, the you know,

880
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: the major eventsit you've seen some other places. But you know,

881
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: my background, like I said, my background was in law enforcement.

882
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was a criminal justice major. I worked

883
00:51:55,000 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: in law enforcement training. Um. I one thing I really

884
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:03,720
Speaker 1: regret is whoever came up with the term defund the police.

885
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 1: It was a horrible label. I wish they did. I

886
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: wish they that. I wish it had been reimagining policing

887
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: because I think, you know, one of the things I

888
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: found frustrating in the military is when you move from

889
00:52:17,120 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 1: assignment to assignment, you get to a new place and

890
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: you see how they're doing things, and you ask, well,

891
00:52:21,880 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: why are we doing it that way? And usually the

892
00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 1: answer was, We've always done it that way. And I

893
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: think we've we've done that with with policing, where you know,

894
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: we've kind of gotten into this is the way we've

895
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: always done it, and I think maybe there's some things

896
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: that we've we've dumped on the law enforcement that maybe

897
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 1: belongs somewhere else, for instance, dealing with mental health issues

898
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: and dealing with alcoholism and dealing with drug addiction, and

899
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: in my view, those are to be treated as health

900
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: care problems, not criminal justice problems. So I wish we

901
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: could use this as an opportunity to to look at,

902
00:52:56,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, what are the roles and missions that we

903
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 1: want our law enforcement for estionals to carry out, and

904
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:06,120
Speaker 1: which ones belonged somewhere else. So I've gotten criticized here.

905
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:09,680
Speaker 1: You know, you mentioned went to North Carolina Central, which

906
00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: is a historically black college, to law school, and then

907
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: I taught at Howard University, which is also a historically

908
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: black college. So I have seven years you know, in

909
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: the HDCU community, which again that doesn't mean I've walked

910
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: in those shoes, but I've walked with the people that

911
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: are in those shoes, and you know, to pretend that

912
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: they're a racial problem is burying your head in the sand.

913
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 1: I mean, my opponents argued that racism ended in eighteen sixty.

914
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, with the Civil War. He made the argument

915
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: that the six hundred thousand Americans died to end slavery,

916
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:45,279
Speaker 1: and some my pointed out one half of them. We're

917
00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 1: trying to keep slavery, not end it. But it's an opportunity.

918
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: I got criticized from folks on the right for attending

919
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: Black Lives Matter marches in the district, and then I

920
00:53:57,880 --> 00:53:59,920
Speaker 1: got criticized by folks on the left for at ten

921
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:04,040
Speaker 1: being back the Blue marches. And and my answer is,

922
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: if you're going to Congress to represent the district, you're

923
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: you go to represent everybody, not just the people that

924
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: vote for you and like you. And I think you know,

925
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: both of those movements are those those are folks in

926
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:20,080
Speaker 1: the community. You know, they're your family, your friends, or neighbors.

927
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: And you know we need to get folks together and

928
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,720
Speaker 1: talk about quit pulling apart less road together for a change.

929
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:35,799
Speaker 1: And yeah, I'm sorry to interrupted, I totally agree with that,

930
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,040
Speaker 1: because you know, I think when you look at it,

931
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 1: a lot of gets lost. I think in the translation,

932
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: the vast majority of our law enforcement officers very very

933
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: good people, and they do their jobs quite well. We

934
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,720
Speaker 1: only hear about those few bad apples when things happen,

935
00:54:56,560 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I think to lump the entire police,

936
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: you know forces to you know, where they're all bad

937
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:10,560
Speaker 1: and they're all racially and just I don't think that's

938
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 1: doing them any kind of justice there. Yeah, I agree

939
00:55:15,280 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: that I've analogized it to be in the military that

940
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: I think if you served in the military or you

941
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: served in law enforcement, that you have a presumption of

942
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: honor and integrity. But it's a rebuttable presumption. And you know,

943
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 1: in the military, we had folks that we had bad apples,

944
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: and you have to get rid of the bad apples,

945
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: and law enforcements the same way. I think there's a

946
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: presumption that they're honorable folks of integrity, and a lot

947
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 1: like the military. I mean, you're not going to get

948
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: rich being in the military. You're not going to get

949
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: rich stirring in law enforcement, but you're doing something that matters.

950
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: And so I totally agree with that. Most of the

951
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: folks that I've known in law enforcement have been good,

952
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,360
Speaker 1: dedicated people that were trying to make a difference for

953
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: their for their community. And but you know, we've seen

954
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,120
Speaker 1: examples of the bad apples and those have to go.

955
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:08,840
Speaker 1: But I also I don't. I don't support violence on

956
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: the other side either, And I've been really pleased that

957
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,200
Speaker 1: some of the folks here that are activists have said

958
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 1: that some of the events when they've seen you know,

959
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:23,160
Speaker 1: folks getting violent, and they've tried to point them out

960
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 1: to the to the police and say, look, those are

961
00:56:25,640 --> 00:56:28,919
Speaker 1: not our folks. You know, we don't condone this. So

962
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 1: there's really you know, here in Nashville, this this area

963
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 1: is heavily dependent on tourism, and so when COVID nineteen

964
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:38,840
Speaker 1: had our you know, restaurants and hotels and those things

965
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 1: were really really hurting. And then after George Floyd we

966
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 1: had some marches here there's vandalism, which is just you know,

967
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: I totally rejected. We've got merchants here that we're struggling

968
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: to get by to begin with, and then to vandalize

969
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: their property is inexcusable. But I'd like to see the

970
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 1: good folks on both sides get together and let's figure

971
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: out how to address this as a community, to do

972
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:07,879
Speaker 1: better for for all of us. Absolutely, And as you said,

973
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, the the police officers that do suffering from

974
00:57:11,880 --> 00:57:17,200
Speaker 1: his conductor, you know, the use of well not use

975
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,040
Speaker 1: of forces misuse of force. Those have to be weeded

976
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: out and treated them. And and you know, one of

977
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 1: my other jobs that I do is I cover the NFL,

978
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: so you know where the vast majority of the players

979
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 1: from the African American community. And again, as you said,

980
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:42,120
Speaker 1: I haven't watching issues, but you know, talking with some

981
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: of those people, their perceptions of how they stand in

982
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: the law enforcement community are vastly different than some of us.

983
00:57:51,240 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: And you know, and if if they feel that there's

984
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,000
Speaker 1: an issue there, then we need to change that feeling.

985
00:57:58,520 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 1: Doesn't they feel like you there as protected as divers

986
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: of us are, and it is that issue, then we

987
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: need to change that. Yeah, I agree. I was talking

988
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 1: with the gentleman, African American gentleman. It's a little bit,

989
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: a little bit older than I am, not much, but

990
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: he was an educator. He lives in a nice neighborhood

991
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: as a nice car and uh, we were talking about,

992
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: you know, this very issue, and he was saying that,

993
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,400
Speaker 1: you know, over the last five or five or ten years,

994
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: he's gotten pulled over a half a dozen times driving

995
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,920
Speaker 1: home in the afternoon. You know, he wasn't speeding, he

996
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: didn't cross the yellow line. His tag wasn't expired, but

997
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 1: he got pulled over, and I haven't gotten pulled over

998
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:51,280
Speaker 1: in forty years, so you know, it's it's there's definitely

999
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,920
Speaker 1: an issue there that you know, one of the one

1000
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: of the last decisions I wrote as a judge at

1001
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: the Department of Labor was the largest racial discrimination verdict

1002
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 1: in Department of her history, and it was a case

1003
00:59:02,120 --> 00:59:06,360
Speaker 1: involving an enterprise rental Car of Baltimore. We're in their

1004
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: hiring they were discriminating against African American applicants, and both

1005
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: the government expert and the company's expert agreed that if

1006
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,320
Speaker 1: you look at the hiring pattern, that the odds of

1007
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 1: it happening by chance, we're a million times less than

1008
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 1: if you bought a single lottery ticket in one In

1009
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: other words, you buying a lottery ticket to remain I

1010
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: was more likely to win the lottery with one set

1011
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,800
Speaker 1: of numbers. This hiring pattern just happened by a chance.

1012
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: So you know, the notion that all is good on

1013
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: race is ignoring reality. Absolutely, So, sir, how difficult is it?

1014
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: I mean with all the COVID going on and you know,

1015
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,120
Speaker 1: we we we're not being able to congregate like we

1016
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: normally do I know. I'm missing my college football right now,

1017
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: although some of the teams are getting back to playing,

1018
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: but I'm getting off attention. How difficult is it to

1019
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,560
Speaker 1: run a campaign and getting out to meet people when

1020
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 1: it's really difficult to get out and meet people right now? Yeah,

1021
01:00:12,080 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: it's a I've never run before, so I mean, just

1022
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: a campaigning in general was a new experience, and then

1023
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: you throw a pandemic on top of it, and it's

1024
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:24,720
Speaker 1: made it a real, a real challenge except for my opponent.

1025
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,160
Speaker 1: My opponent just pretends like there's nothing going on and

1026
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: is still having big events with no mask and hugging

1027
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: and kissing and doing all that. And my view is,

1028
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: if you want to be in public service and your

1029
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 1: job one is not put in the public at risk.

1030
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 1: And so we've been doing events that comply with the

1031
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:47,040
Speaker 1: with the guidelines, you know, with social distancing and face

1032
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: mask and limiting crowd size, and you know, it's made it,

1033
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:56,480
Speaker 1: it's made it difficult. But yeah, I look quite literally,

1034
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: prior to COVID nineteen, I had used zoom one time

1035
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: in my life, and now I spent half my day

1036
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,240
Speaker 1: it seems like sitting in front of a camera on zoom,

1037
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 1: which has been a good tool to uh, you know,

1038
01:01:08,800 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 1: in this in this time that we're in. But again,

1039
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,919
Speaker 1: you know, I gues said, we've got counties were people

1040
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:17,360
Speaker 1: don't have broadband, so I can't reach a m So

1041
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: it really is a challenge to try to how do

1042
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 1: you connect with those folks when it's it's not safe

1043
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: to go out and have a big event and you

1044
01:01:24,160 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: don't have internet where you can talk to him on

1045
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:30,480
Speaker 1: zoom And so we're grappling like a lot of other

1046
01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:32,840
Speaker 1: campaigns and trying to figure out how you adapt to

1047
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:39,160
Speaker 1: this environment we're living in. Yeah, it's it's very difficult.

1048
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: I know, everyone's getting frustrated, you know, as time goes

1049
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: on and we're all I mean, we would all love

1050
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: to get back to where we're where we were maybe

1051
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,880
Speaker 1: seven eight months ago, but I don't see that happening

1052
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: anytime soon. But with that being said, you don't have

1053
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: a debate coming up from our night, Um now that's

1054
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: got to be a virtual debate. And will there actually

1055
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 1: be people in attendance there? Yeah, this will be This

1056
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: is our third we had to we had last Friday

1057
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 1: and last Sturday night. We've got one tomorrow night and

1058
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,120
Speaker 1: another one the end of the month, and it's a

1059
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: we're both you know, my my opponent and I are

1060
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: both there together, and the moderator and the panelist and

1061
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: a few other folks. But it's not your traditional debate

1062
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: where there's a big room full of people. So uh,

1063
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: for the public, you know, it's it's available, it's webcast

1064
01:02:34,440 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: and folks can can tune in and watch it, but

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Speaker 1: it would be a very small I think we've had

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Speaker 1: ten ten people are less in the rooms the last

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Speaker 1: couple of debates, and I think that will be the

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Speaker 1: case again tomorrow. Okay, well, um, is there anything you'd

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Speaker 1: like to add to our listeners and especially we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of readers and listeners from North Carolina, so

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Speaker 1: you know, to the voter. So there is there any

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Speaker 1: life final message you'd like to put out before we

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Speaker 1: wrap this up? It's afternoon. Yeah, I just I'd like

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Speaker 1: to say, you know, it's here in western North Carolina

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Speaker 1: we're behind you by any objective measure, whether it's education

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Speaker 1: or broadband, or healthcare or poverty. You know, we're we're

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Speaker 1: we've got work to do. And the argument I've made

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Speaker 1: that folks here gave Mark metas four terms, and I've asked,

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Speaker 1: when I'm out around the district, you know, what can

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Speaker 1: you point to that he did to make your life

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Speaker 1: better or your kid's future brighter? And folks really struggle

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Speaker 1: to try to come up with something. So the argument

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Speaker 1: I've made is give me twenty two months and I'll

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Speaker 1: get sworn in on January three and face the voters

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Speaker 1: again in November. Give me twenty two months, and if

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Speaker 1: I don't keep my word and if you don't see

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Speaker 1: things getting better, than fire me. But we can't. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're slipping behind and we need to catch up. And

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Speaker 1: so my commitment is to work for everybody in this

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Speaker 1: district Demo, crap, Republican and unaffiliated, that we're all in

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Speaker 1: this together and we can all we can all move

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Speaker 1: forward together. All right, Well, sir, we want to thank

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Speaker 1: you for joining us here and Software Radio today, for

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Speaker 1: taking the time and talking to us. And you know

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Speaker 1: you've had a very interesting life and now you're running

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Speaker 1: for you know, for office, so you know you're career

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Speaker 1: of public service continues, and well, all the best with that,

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Speaker 1: and uh I once again thanks for taking this time.

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Speaker 1: And Joyce, well, thank you. I really appreciate you taking

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Speaker 1: time to talk with me, and I hope you stay

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Speaker 1: safe and we're gonna have some better days ahead of us.

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Speaker 1: Let's all hopefull we can, you know for anybody. So

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Speaker 1: that said, you know, we wish you all the best,

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Speaker 1: and uh again, sir, stay safe, thank you for your service,

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Speaker 1: and uh you know, uh we wish you all the

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Speaker 1: success in the upcoming election. Really being said, well yes,

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Speaker 1: uh again we appreciate him and and uh patients answered

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Speaker 1: all our questions. But that right up here after this

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Speaker 1: is Software Radio on Time, on target Steve Ballistro Here.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with another podcast for little soon. We

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Speaker 1: want to thank our guest, Colonel Will Davis, who's running

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Speaker 1: office uh and for joining us here this afternoon, and

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Speaker 1: we'll be back with another show. Love been listening to

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