WEBVTT - Fire Drill 062: The Grind Continues - At Every Level 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:07.120 Welcome back to the fire Drill. Uh. First of all, 0:00:07.160 --> 0:00:09.680 I do want to talk about the grind. We cover 0:00:09.760 --> 0:00:12.480 it in the first part of this is of the podcast. 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:15.960 It is our baby at the fire Pit. UM. Thank 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.040 you to golf Tech for all their support from making 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:22.480 this happen behind the scenes with golfers chasing their dream 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:26.440 anything but millionaires. It's uh, we're super proud of it, 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:28.880 and uh we go into it. So I won't cover 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.760 it anymore. Just watch it, go to our YouTube channel, 0:00:30.760 --> 0:00:33.919 like subscribe, do those things. Uh. We're super happy about it, 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:37.040 proud of it, and it'll start tomorrow. UM. And we 0:00:37.159 --> 0:00:39.400 covered in the first part of the podcast. We talked 0:00:39.479 --> 0:00:42.839 John rom obviously, I told the Davis Thompson story from 0:00:42.880 --> 0:00:46.880 the Barracuda. We talked about Drew Love Uh, we talked 0:00:46.880 --> 0:00:49.760 about the c W. We talked about Dawson's Creek. There's 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:51.920 a couple of great stories. A great story about Claude 0:00:51.920 --> 0:00:55.120 Harmon that Michael has um, a great story about VG 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:59.720 and Tiger UH from Alan. It's just awesome little anecdotal stories. 0:01:00.480 --> 0:01:02.440 I'm pretty proud of myself. I didn't even I didn't 0:01:02.440 --> 0:01:04.440 even mean to say that word. I like it. Didn't 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:06.760 like write it down or anything. I just said anecdotal 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:10.360 by myself, uh and used it correctly. I believe, I'm 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.520 pretty sure. Um, without further ado, here's the three of 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:20.680 us talking golf that got in my head. Can't get 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:30.479 jan nothing what I'm thinking about, can't get him now, nothing, 0:01:30.680 --> 0:01:41.400 think well I'm thinking about all right, Well, gentlemen, it 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:44.000 was quite an interesting weekend golf. We're gonna get to 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:46.839 all of it, but first I want to talk about 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:48.960 the most exciting thing that happened to the Firefit Collective 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.360 in a while, which is the release of our docuseries 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.880 The Grind. We've been talking about it and teasing it 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.160 for a very long time. It's finally upon us on Tuesday, 0:01:59.280 --> 0:02:02.200 January twenty worth. We're gonna have the first episode available 0:02:02.240 --> 0:02:05.080 on our our website and fire Pit Collective dot com 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:09.640 and of course on our YouTube channel. And uh, you know, Ryan, 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:12.600 you're quite an inspiration for this whole project because it 0:02:12.720 --> 0:02:16.400 kind of builds upon your reporting and and you shining 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.239 a light on on the fringes of professional golf and 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:24.880 and the struggles and and the heartbreaks and the occasional triumphs. Um. 0:02:24.919 --> 0:02:27.239 So you've seen a lot of the early episodes, you 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:31.960 make some very important cameos, especially in episode two. But um, 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.839 what does this mean to you? Ryan? How excited are you? 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:36.840 What do you think of these episodes? Like like bring 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:41.560 the listeners into this little world. Yeah, I'm working on 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.120 an article and the and the opening paragraph is is 0:02:44.160 --> 0:02:46.120 something that I've talked a lot about with Michael. I 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:49.760 was in a campground one of the first caddy one 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:51.920 of the first caddy trips that my dad and I made, 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.840 and uh, next to me was a was a pro golfer. 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:59.320 This was a public restroom at a campground and there 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:02.079 was a pro golf for next to me, and it 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.880 just blew my mind. Like I was like, what, you know, 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:07.600 I have always been a golf nerd, but I didn't 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.960 really think about life off the course as much. And 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:19.720 so from that moment, which was eight twenty years ago, uh, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:22.560 to this a TV show about it has just been 0:03:22.639 --> 0:03:26.960 like just a crazy ride. And um, and I'm so 0:03:27.040 --> 0:03:31.200 excited because I think, you know, I've put a lot 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:36.120 of thought into why my account as has become popular 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:38.360 in those things, and I think it is the fact 0:03:38.360 --> 0:03:42.560 that most everybody can relate to someone chasing their dreams. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:45.520 It's hard to relate to the top players in the world, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:48.880 and not that we don't appreciate them and all those 0:03:48.960 --> 0:03:50.960 kind of things, but it's just hard to relate to. 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:53.760 And I think all of us can can relate to 0:03:55.360 --> 0:03:59.280 the sacrifices that not only the player makes, their family makes, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:04.000 our friends make financially, time wise, on the road, all 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.520 those kind of things, and uh, this show is going 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.080 to take you inside of that and it's just super 0:04:10.600 --> 0:04:14.120 uh super awesome. On a quick aside note, the first 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:16.599 one is kind of like the down of and the 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.080 reality of progolf. The second one is up. Mark got 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.320 an exemption into uh the A T and T and 0:04:22.839 --> 0:04:27.080 Mark Stowt and immediately went onto the range for five 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:30.039 hours straight. He loved it. Uh, we love it. But 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:32.960 you'll meet a bunch of people that are really like 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:38.200 chasing their dream. It's awesome. Well, and the marking question 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:40.640 is is Mark Baldwin. You know, we we've tracked him 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.440 for a little while in different ways on on on 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.200 this on this site, but these shows bring it to 0:04:48.240 --> 0:04:53.360 life in such an immediate sort of intimate way. Um. 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.800 And we love typed articles and we love we love podcasts. 0:04:56.880 --> 0:05:00.839 You know, we all double in those mediums, but something 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.880 about the cameras so revealing, and um, you know we're 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.400 in the car, we're in the house that he's played, 0:05:06.920 --> 0:05:09.120 um for for all these players. It's not just Mark, 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.279 I mean, um, he's fact. He's a huge part of 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:14.680 episodes one and two. And then then we start telling 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.440 other stories and UM, so it's it's really this. The 0:05:18.480 --> 0:05:21.960 scale this project is incredible. We had um a hundred 0:05:22.000 --> 0:05:26.320 and twenty hours of raw footage that we're filmed across 0:05:27.080 --> 0:05:31.360 most of two thousand and twenty two and including visits 0:05:31.360 --> 0:05:35.160 to Scotland and Ireland. Um, you know there was there 0:05:35.240 --> 0:05:38.839 was five field producers, eight video editors, a dozen cameramen. 0:05:39.880 --> 0:05:41.920 All of us have contributed words in different ways to 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:45.960 voiceovers and and to the narrative storytelling. And it's just 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.839 a monumental effort from everyone here at the collective. And 0:05:50.160 --> 0:05:52.280 you know, I've had chance to really drill down the 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:58.000 first five episodes especially, and the the storytelling is just fantastic. 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:03.479 And the production values are HBO quality or Netflix quality 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:05.680 whatever you'd expect. When when when you when eque up 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.520 what looks like a very big budget you know production, 0:06:09.720 --> 0:06:13.040 it's it's just incredible. So we're we're all super proud 0:06:13.040 --> 0:06:15.479 of it. Um. You know, Michael, you've you you've not 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:17.400 been as intimately involved as Ryan, but you've been, you've 0:06:17.440 --> 0:06:18.720 been been a part of this and you've been you've 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:20.680 been watching from afar. What kind of energy are you 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:26.280 detecting around this? Well? I think this is storytelling at 0:06:26.480 --> 0:06:30.320 its best because, uh, you know, especially when you get 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:33.839 to be my uh sixty two, you realize that it's 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.039 the biggest, one of the oldest cliches known to mankind. 0:06:37.080 --> 0:06:40.159 But uh, it really is all about the journey and 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.000 not the destination. And golf captures at so incredibly well. 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.400 And Ryan's beat captures that, uh so incredibly well. And 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.160 even if you think back about Tiger and his Hall 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:52.280 of Fame remarks, who was up there for roughly I 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.520 would say twenty minutes. Sixteen in the minutes were about 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:58.000 his amateur days playing you know, his mom dropped him 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.160 off into junior ben and he and his dad, you know, 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.159 hunting for golf balls in the woods whatever it was 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:06.840 at the at the Navy course. So, uh, Ryan and 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:10.080 this series and some of the stuff I've done about 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:12.400 you know, catting for golfers trying to make it and 0:07:12.560 --> 0:07:14.880 you know, Alan, you're writing about Rich Beam and Steve 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:20.560 to Plant. Just that storytelling never gets started because it 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:25.080 reminds us on the most fundamental level of what we're 0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:26.840 trying to do with our lives. So I think it's 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:32.960 absolutely beautiful, spectacular, Uh and a great nod of the 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.440 of the cap, tip of the cap to uh, to 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 all the people who make it possible for us to 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.679 do the kind of storytelling that we're doing. Yeah, shout 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.560 out to a golf tech. They're presenting sponsor of the 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:48.640 of the Whole Grind docuseries, which will be fifteen episodes, 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.600 and uh, yeah, I mean talking about the journey of 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:55.520 the episode three, My is just so heartwarming. It follows 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:59.480 page Crawford. She's, you know, thirty years old now, she's 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:01.880 been chasing it for a long time. She was a 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:04.920 high school basketball star. I mean, she's an athlete, came 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:08.440 to golf a little bit late and um travels the 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:11.240 rooms around the mini tours, living in a van with 0:08:11.280 --> 0:08:14.720 her girlfriend, who's a really delightful present, and they just 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.920 have this this this very sweet relationship. Their skateboarding, they're 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.400 rock climbing, they're they're hiking in the hills. I mean, 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:22.440 they kind of remind me of some of the people 0:08:22.480 --> 0:08:23.920 I know who live in big sir. You know, they've 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.160 got that free spirit energy. And and yet she's a 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.000 very you know, she's a very determined athlete, and she's 0:08:31.000 --> 0:08:33.520 trying to make it to the LPGA and and you know, 0:08:33.559 --> 0:08:35.920 we're we're in the van with them and we're driving 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.640 from Idaho to Oregon, and uh, they're cooking on their 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.920 little stove and they've got the little dog. And it's 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.959 just the most heartwarming, intimate portrayal of a professional athlete 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:49.560 you can imagine. And and so yeah, there's that. That's 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.000 the kind of those are the kind of surprises. And 0:08:52.000 --> 0:08:53.920 and you know these are not household names. That was 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.839 the whole point. Um. You know, we all love watching 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:01.319 Nelly core to play golf. But um, she's going to 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.560 be fine whether she wins the Dinah Shore or not. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:07.880 You know, like she's on only one trajectory. And um, 0:09:07.960 --> 0:09:10.440 but these these players on the margins, it's you know, 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.400 pages just just literally trying to make money to put 0:09:13.760 --> 0:09:16.199 they can they can barbecue dinner that night. And if 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:18.040 if she's if he's not able to I mean she's 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.760 she's going to find another job, and that that dramatic tension, 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:22.520 as as Ryan has talked about so much, is just 0:09:22.559 --> 0:09:26.400 a different level of of interest for a fan. You know, 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:29.520 they're they're playing for their their lives and that's what's 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.240 so thrilling about it. Yeah, that that has been I mean, 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:37.440 obviously I I've known it because I'm part of this world, 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:41.440 but seeing it on the show has really driven home 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:46.960 the selflessness of the people not that are not the players, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:54.800 uh my Mark's wife, Sarah Pages, uh girlfriend, Joe Hook's parents. Um, 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:59.400 you know these are people that travel to events, Pages 0:09:59.400 --> 0:10:04.640 girlfriend some marketing jobs so remotely so you know they 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:09.840 can afford their van life and dinner. And and these 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:12.920 people behind the scenes that will introduce you to our 0:10:13.040 --> 0:10:18.520 sacrificing so their son or girlfriend or husband can chase 0:10:18.559 --> 0:10:23.760 their dream. And uh, that has been a very interesting 0:10:23.840 --> 0:10:26.520 part of this show. And I think you'll see that 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:30.000 and that it isn't easy. Um, as we all know, 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:34.800 marriage isn't isn't perfect, and uh, it's even harder when 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.120 you're on the road six days a week, or in 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:41.800 like Pages case, you're together two seven sixty five days 0:10:41.800 --> 0:10:45.160 a year. That says a lot about a relationship. Um, 0:10:45.400 --> 0:10:48.600 and so it is the ups and downs. The first 0:10:48.640 --> 0:10:53.679 episode is Mark Baldwin and us chasing Mondays and him 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.960 not playing well and uh, some family stuff going on, 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.880 and that's that's real life. And I always tell this 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:04.719 story about that first episode is, Uh, Mark's son is 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:06.720 having some health issues that you'll see in the episode, 0:11:07.200 --> 0:11:11.200 and uh, it's it's pretty hairy for a bit. And 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.600 on Monday, Mark never brought it up with a playing 0:11:13.600 --> 0:11:15.960 group and I asked him about it. I said, why 0:11:16.000 --> 0:11:17.640 didn't you bring it up? And he said, you know, 0:11:18.000 --> 0:11:21.320 we're all going through something out here. No one's gonna 0:11:21.360 --> 0:11:25.120 feel sorry for me and they shouldn't. Uh, this is 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:29.959 this is the life. So um it's I'm super excited 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:35.640 about it. Yeah. And then episode episode two really traces 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.199 um last year's Pellal Beach program where Ryan's catting from 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.160 Mark and it's a perfect distillation of the highs and 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:45.400 lows of the life of a Golver and a Gaddy 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:48.800 for that matter, and all the people around them. Um, 0:11:48.840 --> 0:11:50.880 you know, from you can you can have you can 0:11:50.920 --> 0:11:54.080 have such a thrilling week and so many great things 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.600 can happen, and then you miss judged the wind a 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:58.320 couple of times, you make a couple of bad swings 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:00.920 and you can go crashing on the leaderboard. But what 0:12:00.960 --> 0:12:02.520 could have changed your life turns out to be sort 0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:05.760 of a whole home finished and in the span of 0:12:05.800 --> 0:12:08.359 a couple of hours. Like I mean, you know chronicles 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:12.160 you're despair Ryan When when when you as you're reliving 0:12:12.160 --> 0:12:14.960 these things now as you're watching the episodes, Um, you 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:17.440 know you have a little distance of time from from 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.559 when they actually transpired. Like what what? What emotions are 0:12:20.600 --> 0:12:26.240 inspired within you? Yeah? All of the same emotions that 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.920 I feel now. Just uh Like I mean Mark and 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.840 I talked about it privately. It's like you'll never be 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.439 able to not think about the round at Sunday at 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.120 Pebble and what it would have done had it been 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:40.760 a sixty seven or sixty eight. And it's not like 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.240 that's not a far fetched dream, right, I mean, he 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:46.400 had shot a bogey free round at the hardest course 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:49.200 in the rotation Spy last three days earlier. This isn't 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:51.679 like we're not it's not a pipe dream to think 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:53.680 that he could have shot sixty eight. He could have 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:57.160 and it would have changed his life. Uh So, the 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:00.199 emotions I got watching it. Uh, we're the same that 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:01.640 I had that week. We were on top of the 0:13:01.679 --> 0:13:06.720 world on Saturday night and you feel like ship driving 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:11.839 in a car, canceling flights, uh, finding another flight, And 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:16.320 twenty four hours later, you're standing on a matt at 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.640 a very average golf course playing a Monday qualifier where 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.400 you have to shoot a sixty three to get in. 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:26.560 And uh, that's that's the reality of pro golf in 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:29.680 a nutshell and twenty in about a thirty six hour 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:33.440 span Saturday, make the cut T nineteen, have a chance 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:37.360 to change your life. Play poorly Sunday, fly to Phoenix 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.760 playing a municipal course, having to shoot sixty three, don't 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:43.480 play well there, and you're home at Tuesday and everybody's 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.080 forgot about you. No one cares about you. Uh that's 0:13:47.120 --> 0:13:50.959 that's the reality of pro golf. Yeah, well not no one, 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:53.800 because we we were. Our cameras are there, and I 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.080 think when when when the viewers um And of course Mark, 0:13:59.240 --> 0:14:00.720 there may be some folks other saying, but I think 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.240 I know a lot about Mark Balbum already. You know, 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.120 you guys have written about him. But he's such a 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:09.040 unique pro athlete, I mean, he's so smart and cerebral, 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.079 and he has you can play the guitar, and his 0:14:11.720 --> 0:14:15.319 interests in books and music and movies or run really 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:20.360 deep and he's he's very expressive about what he's going through. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:24.040 And um, his his wife pops into this story. She's 0:14:24.040 --> 0:14:26.560 she's really sweet and has a great perspective and everything. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:29.520 And um, I mean, if if you watch this episode 0:14:29.520 --> 0:14:31.840 and and you don't wind up love and Mark Baldwin 0:14:32.000 --> 0:14:35.920 or loving Page Crawford or Joe Hooks, who's a huge 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.760 part of episodes four and five, Like these are athletes 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:41.000 who were so easy to root for because they're just 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:44.400 they're they're dreamers and then it's a it's almost an 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:46.120 impossible dream, but they won't let go of it. And 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:48.640 there's something admirable about that. You know, I think I'm 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.600 we're probably too pragmatic, at least I am. I gotta 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:54.200 you know, if I had if I had spent ten 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:57.600 years trying to get hired by a local newspaper sending 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.760 him stories and getting paid twenty bucks for them and 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:01.800 and they never published any I would have found another 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:03.840 line of work. But that's these guys just keep going 0:15:04.040 --> 0:15:08.800 and it's remarkable. How quick technical question for it. So 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:11.080 how much do this how much does the viewer have 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:14.640 to pay to watch these episodes? Well, thanks to the 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.960 generosity of Golf Tech and the Firefloy Collective, they're gonna 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:20.840 be They're gonna be free on on our website and 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:24.360 on our YouTube channel. Um and so it's a very 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.920 it's a very delightful viewing experience. Um. Kind. So a 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:31.360 quick question about sixty three. Uh, I'm always talking about 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:33.680 I'd like to know what you both think about this. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.560 So you know, Ryan mentioned you often have to shoot 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.480 a sixty three, and these Monday qualifiers sixty three could 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:42.440 play off, you might have to shoot sixty two. It's 0:15:42.440 --> 0:15:44.400 some of them. Uh, you never know. I mean there's 0:15:44.400 --> 0:15:46.440 a lot of good golfers out there. So the other 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.640 day Alan will know this name, others may not. But 0:15:49.760 --> 0:15:52.520 Jim Langley was the long time had professional Cyperus Point. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.520 He tragically lost the use of his He had the 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.880 course record at Cyperus Point with Hogan and others of 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:01.200 sixty three. He tragically lost the use of his right 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.280 hand after an accident. Then he shot a one handed 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:08.480 left handed one at Cypress Point. You see were handed 0:16:08.480 --> 0:16:11.280 clubs now, I would say if you had to, so 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:15.680 I wrote the following, there are probably five thousand golfers 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:18.760 in the world who can shoot sixty three on any 0:16:18.760 --> 0:16:21.400 given day at Cypress Point. There might be a handful 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:25.360 of people who can shoot a one handed. So somebody 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:28.600 who read it said five thousand. There's no way. So 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:31.120 here's my question to you both. How many people in 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.400 the world do you think there are that can on 0:16:33.440 --> 0:16:36.920 a good Now Cypress is short, let's but let's just 0:16:37.040 --> 0:16:39.200 use Cypress as example. But think of any of course 0:16:39.200 --> 0:16:41.800 you wish. How many people in the world do you 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.040 think there are that can shoot Because we often focus 0:16:45.080 --> 0:16:47.560 on just a hundred or two golfers, how many golfers 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:49.640 are there in the world who can shoot sixty three 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:52.680 at Cyprus Point on any given day. Well, just to 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.520 just to get more granular, here are we talking about 0:16:55.520 --> 0:16:58.880 a cassle around? Are we talking to tournament pressure pencil 0:16:58.960 --> 0:17:02.680 in your pocket? You know, no gimmese note like it's 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:05.480 a little different. I would say there's tens of thousands 0:17:05.600 --> 0:17:08.120 of guys who can shoot sixty three at Cyprus Point 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:11.919 on any given day with their buddies. Um, you know, 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.360 there's a lot of dude, you played college golf who 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:17.640 now remembers at Whisper Rock. They're not playing competitively, but 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:21.360 they can take it deep um Well said, So let's 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.040 let's let's let's change the tournament conditions because I agree 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:28.800 with that. It's tens of thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.280 of thousands possible. Ryan, what do you tournament conditions when 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:35.120 it matters. There's a purse, there's fans, there's a score 0:17:35.200 --> 0:17:38.199 with a camera on camera on how many guys can 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:45.000 shoot sixty three had a really good course? Not a thousand? 0:17:46.800 --> 0:17:50.800 I think. I think it's more you probably just looking 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:54.480 across all the mini tours, all the professional tours, there's 0:17:54.480 --> 0:17:57.200 a few thousand guys who have a card right and 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:01.440 they can do it. You're probably the four thousand. Yeah, 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:03.880 I would. I think it's even on the right day, 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:07.000 on the right day. But I mean, that's even what's interesting, Ryan, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:09.560 You track this all those guys that sixty three in 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:12.760 the Mondays and there's pressure on the Mondays. We know that, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:16.679 but there's not a gallery, there's not really TV. There's 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.640 it's it's it's just it's kind of this this gray 0:18:19.680 --> 0:18:23.760 area between tournament golf and playing with your your buddies. 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:26.879 Right then they these guys go to the to the 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:29.200 PGA Tour event. They're clearly playing well. They just got 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:32.320 sixty three on the Monday, and you know, Corey Connors 0:18:32.359 --> 0:18:34.600 and a couple others have have have continued it for 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:38.719 six more days. But um, you know what is make 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.359 the cut or something like, yeah, make the cut and 0:18:43.400 --> 0:18:46.400 to go back to the Mondays. There is pressure once 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.680 you're playing well. But I'll go to the one time 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:52.879 I caddied in with Mark in the Barracuda where we 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:55.919 got through. There's no pressure at the beginning because you 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:00.359 know you have no chance. Basically it's like a crab shoots, 0:19:00.359 --> 0:19:03.960 so there's no real like it's we I remember what 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.480 like my whe night Keddy from uh from Mark at 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.800 that Baracouted Monday two years ago. We hadn't seen each 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.480 other in a while and we were literally just catching 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:15.120 up on the front nine. There's no expectations, like you know, 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:18.080 you have to shoot a ridiculously low score and so 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.880 all of a sudden on nine he was five under 0:19:20.960 --> 0:19:24.400 through nine and we're like, oh, like we're in this, 0:19:24.680 --> 0:19:27.760 you know, and then the pressure starts. But like before that, 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.680 you're just like, like, again Scott faw said, who was 0:19:31.240 --> 0:19:34.640 a master of numbers and odds and those kind of things. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:37.960 Puts puts the like getting through a Monday at around 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:41.600 seven percent. Okay, So like there is no real pressure 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:43.960 when your tee off on the first hole, especially you 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.359 make an early bogey. There's no pressure at all because 0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:47.679 you're just like, yeah, I'm out of it. I have 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:50.280 no chance. Uh. But then yes, you got to go 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:53.600 on the big stage and there's cameras and there's you 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.800 have only had one day to prepare and you know 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:59.960 that there's no tomorrow. That's going back to the sun. 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.240 Day at Pebble is like we're playing with Alonto Griffin 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:05.960 and Davis Riley. They played like crap to you know what, 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:09.520 They're going to tee it up next week. Uh, we weren't. 0:20:09.880 --> 0:20:15.000 And so all of those factors equal of the guys 0:20:15.400 --> 0:20:18.840 that Monday making. Now that being said, a large portion 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:21.159 of mondays you handed them a PGA Tour card, they 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:26.000 would do just fine. It's the ultimate question all of sports, 0:20:26.040 --> 0:20:28.840 like why do you some players play better when the 0:20:28.920 --> 0:20:32.159 lights come on and some players don't. And you know, 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:34.840 I was yesterday, I was at the Cowboys forty Niners 0:20:35.040 --> 0:20:39.600 playoff game had great seats close to the field and uh, 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:44.240 you know there's we're behind the Cowboys on the Cowboys 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:47.560 side and close enough. Like these guys are just you 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:51.600 forget how what physical specimens they are. They're just like immense. 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:55.720 They blot out the sun. And everyone who made in 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.240 the NFL on a good team in the playoffs, these 0:20:58.280 --> 0:20:59.920 are the best of the best athletes on the whole 0:21:00.040 --> 0:21:03.560 land it and yet there's a razor thin divide there 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.159 between the guys who can get it done when it 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:08.160 really matters and and can't. And all the time, you know, 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.320 pump an iron and watching film like that helps you. 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.920 But some guys just make the plays and some don't. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.800 And I mean you extend that out to the professional 0:21:16.800 --> 0:21:19.680 golf as well. It's it's it's what's so fascinating about sports. 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.520 And one of the things that you know, watching just 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.520 a little bit of play of football this year and 0:21:24.560 --> 0:21:28.040 you see the wild range of body types that make 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.560 it to the NFL. You know, from the kickers to 0:21:30.600 --> 0:21:33.000 the lineman. It's just even from the defensive line in 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.520 the offensive line. It's absolutely why. I mean, you see 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:38.240 guys who are borderline obese. And then you see some 0:21:38.240 --> 0:21:40.240 guys d fifty five pounds and they play in the 0:21:40.320 --> 0:21:43.960 same game. But I take note of it because golf 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.760 uniquely does you know, there are not so uniquely I 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:50.240 mean tennis, I would say the same. You have to 0:21:50.240 --> 0:21:53.320 have it all in golf. Uh. And that's why Tiger 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.600 and its prime was so stunning to watch. You have 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.080 to you have to have it all. You can't just 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:00.960 be that. You can't just be the place kicker, you 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:02.840 can't just be the you know, the rusher. You gotta 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:04.320 you have to do it all, and you have to 0:22:04.359 --> 0:22:05.720