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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fire Drill. Uh. First of all,

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about the grind. We cover

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Speaker 1: It is our baby at the fire Pit. UM. Thank

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Speaker 1: you to golf Tech for all their support from making

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Speaker 1: this happen behind the scenes with golfers chasing their dream

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Speaker 1: anything but millionaires. It's uh, we're super proud of it,

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Speaker 1: proud of it, and it'll start tomorrow. UM. And we

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Speaker 1: covered in the first part of the podcast. We talked

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Speaker 1: a couple of great stories. A great story about Claude

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Speaker 1: Harmon that Michael has um, a great story about VG

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Speaker 1: and Tiger UH from Alan. It's just awesome little anecdotal stories.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty proud of myself. I didn't even I didn't

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Speaker 1: pretty sure. Um, without further ado, here's the three of

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Speaker 1: us talking golf that got in my head. Can't get

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Speaker 1: was quite an interesting weekend golf. We're gonna get to

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Speaker 1: the most exciting thing that happened to the Firefit Collective

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Speaker 1: in a while, which is the release of our docuseries

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Speaker 1: The Grind. We've been talking about it and teasing it

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Speaker 1: for a very long time. It's finally upon us on Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: January twenty worth. We're gonna have the first episode available

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Speaker 1: on our our website and fire Pit Collective dot com

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Speaker 1: and of course on our YouTube channel. And uh, you know, Ryan,

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Speaker 1: and the struggles and and the heartbreaks and the occasional triumphs. Um.

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Speaker 1: So you've seen a lot of the early episodes, you

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Speaker 1: what does this mean to you? Ryan? How excited are you?

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Speaker 1: What do you think of these episodes? Like like bring

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Speaker 1: the listeners into this little world. Yeah, I'm working on

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Speaker 1: an article and the and the opening paragraph is is

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Speaker 1: something that I've talked a lot about with Michael. I

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Speaker 1: was in a campground one of the first caddy one

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Speaker 1: But uh, it really is all about the journey and

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Speaker 1: we should tip our cap to John Ram who is

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Speaker 1: a guy who can shoot sixty three any day the

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Speaker 1: week and actually is doing it right now. It seems like, yeah,

429
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Speaker 1: that's always shooting, is sixty three shooting. And so I

430
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: was at Cappalua where he went crazy deep and won

431
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Speaker 1: the tournament crazy after bogey on one on Sunday, I know,

432
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Speaker 1: nine back and at that the moment, and so he

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Speaker 1: I sneaked into this little Q and A with with

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Speaker 1: Monahan and and Rom that they do for the champion.

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Speaker 1: They do it for the It's like this private function

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Speaker 1: for the Century organizers. And Rom was coming up and

437
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: I was coming up the stairs behind him, and this

438
00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,280
Speaker 1: security guard almost didn't let him in because here's a guy.

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Speaker 1: He's he's got kind of short legs, he's kind of

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00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: he's kind of stumpy, and his shirt was a little untucked,

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Speaker 1: and he wasn't he didn't have his hat on. His

442
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: hair is all messy. He did not look like one

443
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,439
Speaker 1: of the most elite athletes roaming the planet right now.

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00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,120
Speaker 1: You know, you look at John rom he doesn't use

445
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Speaker 1: that same athleticism that say a tiger did um when

446
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: when he was prowling around out there, and it was

447
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 1: just a funny reminder that you know, not that if

448
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 1: you're not paying attention, like these guys don't necessarily look

449
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Speaker 1: like quintessential professional athletes. But John Rom is um. You know,

450
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Speaker 1: he's a prideful guy. And I think last year when

451
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Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes went to number one and he

452
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Speaker 1: wasn't one of them. I think, I think that little

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Speaker 1: fire and you know, I asked him about that at

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Speaker 1: Kapalua and he's he's talked about it since like he's um,

455
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Speaker 1: he's fired up. I mean the guys on a rampage

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Speaker 1: um now obviously UM. I will say, even though both

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Speaker 1: Kappela and the Hope yield low scores, traditionally they're very

458
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Speaker 1: different tests. I mean, Tap Lou, you have to play

459
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Speaker 1: the wind and and the lie and the uphill downhill

460
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: and funnel the ball off funky slopes, and it's very

461
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Speaker 1: creative and manageative golf, whereas the Hope is just dome

462
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Speaker 1: and you got yeah, one seventy two. It's just a

463
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Speaker 1: stock eight iron right at the flag every time and

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Speaker 1: for him for him to blow away the field, you know,

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Speaker 1: on back to back on such a different kind of test,

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Speaker 1: I think, is it's revealing of of how good this

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Speaker 1: guy really is. Well, so you gotta play with a

468
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Speaker 1: m though at the Hope for three days maybe before

469
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Speaker 1: that's an issue too? Uh used to be five days?

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Speaker 1: Can you imagine ninety holes? That was crazy? Michael. I

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Speaker 1: have a question for you leave the flag in when

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Speaker 1: you put now, don't you I do? Did you watch

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Speaker 1: Davis Thompson's put on seventeen and as it changed your mind?

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Speaker 1: I didn't? What did it? Did it hit it and

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Speaker 1: not going? What happened? Yeah? He had a fifty ft

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Speaker 1: around seventeen to time for the lead and it was

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Speaker 1: going speedily. There is debate about whether it would have

478
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Speaker 1: gone in anyway, but it pinched the flag and and

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Speaker 1: pinched out. I don't know. That flag looks gonna help

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Speaker 1: you more than hurt you. It's gonna do a little

481
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: bit of both, but it's gonna help you more than

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Speaker 1: hurt you. The only time I would really not leave

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Speaker 1: that flag in is if it was if it was

484
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Speaker 1: blowy and the flag stick was all over the place

485
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: and it was one distracting you, and two could lean

486
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Speaker 1: in and stop, you know about coming in at three

487
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: o'clock and the flag six leaning towards three o'clock. And

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Speaker 1: then of course then then skaltender. You know you don't

489
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Speaker 1: want that. I've got enough of that in my life.

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Speaker 1: But uh no, that's hard luck. I missed it. But

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell my Davis Thompson's story. I've held out

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Speaker 1: of this for a year and a half. Uh, this

493
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Speaker 1: is no one else is holding onto it. David Thompson

494
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 1: anecdote for for you know, year and a half. Uh, Jake,

495
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: you're not allowed to use this as a social clip.

496
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: So at the Barracuda Mark and I get paired with

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Speaker 1: Davis Thompson. He is on the t He says hello,

498
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Speaker 1: but it is very like just sticks out his hand.

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure he said the words hello. He

500
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Speaker 1: never said And this is not an exaggeration. He never

501
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Speaker 1: said a sing word the rest of the round. Not

502
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 1: good shot, not go fund yourself. Not a single word,

503
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: including on a hole. Now, I want to take the

504
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: people listening back two. There was such a forest fire

505
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: that the round was almost canceled. There's smoke everywhere. Okay,

506
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: you could hardly see down the fairway. That's how bad.

507
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: And think and all these volunteers are graciously out there,

508
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: They've literally paid to be out there, right, and they're

509
00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: spotting and it has become even more important because the smoke,

510
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: you can't see your ball land. So Mark is long.

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00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 1: Davis is very long. On the fourth hole, fifth hole,

512
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: he marking him hit one way down the fairway. Uh,

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Speaker 1: volunteer comes out of the smoke and comes up and says, Wow, guys,

514
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 1: I've been here all week and I haven't seen two

515
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: people this far down. You know, I haven't seen two

516
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Speaker 1: balls this far down. Mark, thank you so much. Davis

517
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: doesn't even look at him, doesn't say a word to him.

518
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: It was beyond bizarre. So I had to go back

519
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: to talk to people who we played with the rest

520
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: of the weekend. They're like, nothing, didn't say word, doesn't

521
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Speaker 1: say anything. Mark chipped in for Eagle. Nothing, literally nothing.

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Speaker 1: It was the most bizarre thing I've ever been a

523
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Speaker 1: part of. Like, hey, listen. The next day we played

524
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Speaker 1: with Joseph Bramlett. Super quiet but very nice. Okay, like

525
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Speaker 1: I don't mind quiet, you want to be quiet and

526
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Speaker 1: be in your own world. Totally get it. It was

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Speaker 1: the wildest thing I have ever seen. Doesn't talk to anybody,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know if you saw any clips, it

529
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Speaker 1: hasn't changed much. The dude barely raises his hands, has

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Speaker 1: no emotion. Wild Mark tried to engage him in a

531
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Speaker 1: thing and goes, hey, man, you went to Georgia hau

532
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: and he went yep. That was the only word he

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Speaker 1: said for the first time. It was insane. It was insane. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it gets to the point like, like you say,

535
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Speaker 1: it's fine everyone everyone in a competitive environment is going

536
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: to do it a different way. But that's almost distracting

537
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: to your play partners. It's kind of rude, honestly, like

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Speaker 1: you're not even in using the basic social graces of

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Speaker 1: of being a playing partner. Yeah, and the volunteer one

540
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: was like you, it was offensive. I mean, like the

541
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: guy is standing out in literal smoke. You could at

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00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,440
Speaker 1: least say thank you or give him a head nod

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00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: or something. You know. Well, Michael, I mean you've caddied

544
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: um famously European Tour and and the PGA Tour, and

545
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: you've probably seen some some unusual behavior. Shall we say,

546
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: Where where does that land for you? It's almost psychopathic,

547
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 1: you know, to be completely isolated from the activity around you.

548
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 1: But it does have a lot of precedent golf. This

549
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: story is not true, but people but Claude Harmon, Butcher's

550
00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: father used to tell it to make the point. Uh,

551
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: you guys will probably know it, but maybe not. Uh.

552
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: Claude Harmon, for those who don't know, was famously the

553
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: head pro at both Wingfoot and Seminal. And while he

554
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: had those two head pro jobs, basically while going from

555
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: his winter job at Seminole to his summer job at Wingfoot,

556
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: stopped at Augustin National, played in the Masters and won

557
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: it and he was the last club pro uh twent

558
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: But anyway he was close to Hogan and uh and

559
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: as the story goes, uh, uh he made a one.

560
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: Claude Harmer made a one on twelve of the Part

561
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Speaker 1: three over raised Creek, and Hogan stiff didn't. Hogan didn't

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Speaker 1: say a thing to his friend. Hogan stiffs one. Uh

563
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: makes his own putt and walking to thirteen, all Hogan

564
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: says to Claure Harman is I do believe that's the

565
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Speaker 1: first two I've made there in quite some time, or

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Speaker 1: something with something along those lines. Uh. But golf will

567
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 1: reveal the soul like nothing else. And uh. Now, Peter

568
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: Turvan and a guy caddied for in your he was

569
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,160
Speaker 1: he was conversant with himself if he wasn't really conversing,

570
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: but he was a classic New Englander and one of

571
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Speaker 1: his things if he was long with a wooden driver

572
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: whale wooden driver laminated Wilson whale. Uh wonging he was

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00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: he was, you know too eighty in the air maybe

574
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 1: maybe and uh but anyway, if another guy killed one

575
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Speaker 1: and was out there with Peter, Peter would say yep,

576
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: and you know that was that was high praise from Peter. Uh.

577
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: I did see a guy Sarah Gate blank on his

578
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 1: name right now, but he was an Argentine golfer and

579
00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 1: he missed her short. Punny took his butter head and

580
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: was scared to watch, and he smashed his forehead not

581
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: with the head of the putter, but with the shaft

582
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: right in the forehead walking off the green after missing short.

583
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: That's the most psychopathic behavior I had ever seen because

584
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: there wasn't any blood, but you had he caught it

585
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: the wrong way, it would have been a mess. Uh uh. Anyway, Yeah,

586
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 1: golful Alan, who are we with recently? Who oh rich kind?

587
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: You and I were with his kind with Al and

588
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: I were talking to the actor which on the other day,

589
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, no, gentleman, we ever throw

590
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: a golf club on the course. That was funny. You

591
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 1: gotta be kidding me. I don't know anybody, man, woman

592
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: or child who's not throwing a golf golf Club. Yeah.

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00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: Every now then you got to release attention. Um. I mean,

594
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Speaker 1: my my favorite story about this is back I think

595
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: it's oh three when VJ was on his run and

596
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 1: and you surved Tiger for a while and they were

597
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: going at it and there was no love lost between them,

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00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: and you know the story, Michael. They're on the first

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00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 1: t final round. I think it was in Boston where

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00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: VG beat him. But um, Tiger says, you know, good luck,

601
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: and VD says, titlist one. There weren't a lot of

602
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,959
Speaker 1: words spoken the rest of that day. But um, you know,

603
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: it's that's a little different. I mean, those are guys

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00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: with history and they are they are battling for number

605
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: one in the world, and like if they want to

606
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 1: be in their own world, I think it almost makes sense.

607
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: That's like Hagler hearns, you know. But um, I love

608
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: the Barracuda. I love the Barracuda, as you all know.

609
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: I love it. But when you're tight, okay on Saturday

610
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: at the Barracuda, maybe loosen up a little bit, you know,

611
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: not out here changing lives. I had a quick question.

612
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: I had a quick question for Ryan about this Baracuta tournament.

613
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: There's one tournament that gets called routinely by its corporate name,

614
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: that's Honda. Guys will actually say you're playing Honda. They

615
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: don't say are you playing West Palm Beach or Palm

616
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: Beach Gardens? They are you playing Honda? What is this

617
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: baracouta tournament? Is that Vegas or Reno? What is it

618
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: used to? How open is Baracuda? What? And what is Barracuda?

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Speaker 1: What do they do their insurance? All right, people on

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Speaker 1: the end, Michael call it the Kuda. Don't say Kuda.

621
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Speaker 1: I've heard you use that. Please as a non starter. Well,

622
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: let me pay you some rhyme about nicknames. Nicknames have

623
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: to be clever, like uh when when when Tiger Woods

624
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: called streets Seves, Strigger Stricks. That's not clever. But who

625
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,400
Speaker 1: is that famous good dresser? There was a famous Masters

626
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: winner who's a great dresser, one of the Texas guys,

627
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: and they called him Wardrobe. That's a great nickname. Cooda

628
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 1: is not a nickname, that's nothing. Burnt biscuits is a

629
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: great nickname. That's a great Those are the all the

630
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 1: gust of caddies, right like he swipes some some baked

631
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: goods out of a window and after that they called

632
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: him burnt biscuits. Um. Yeah, So in generally, in all

633
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: my typing, but especially in my books when I have

634
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: I never used the corporate names. I mean, it's a

635
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 1: San Diego Open, it's l A Open, it's the Hawaiian Open.

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Speaker 1: Then you can't imagine how people are offended by that,

637
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: Like it's called the Sony. But I'm I'm like future

638
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: proofing the book because, as we know, corporations come and

639
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: go it. Yeah, it might it might not be the

640
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: Sony in a year. Like why are people so attached

641
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: these corpet names? The Honda is no longer the Honda

642
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 1: after this year, is it not? Well, yeah, it's not

643
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: as what is the Honda enough? I mean it's the

644
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Honda this year, but this is the last year. Okay.

645
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: By the way, that that that golfer was Jimmy demerit

646
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: was it was Wardrobe anyway. Um, all right, we touched

647
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: on John rom very briefly, but let the other big

648
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: thing that happened in golf in recent days was John

649
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: John roman Eper once going he was wearing pajamas. I mean,

650
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: this guy, most of these guys you can tell right away.

651
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: John Ram you cannot. You always ready to fall asleep

652
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: off the course. And I like the fact I never

653
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: ever and Al and I have talked about ever so

654
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: Tiger off the course. John rom you see everywhere and

655
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 1: he always looks like he's wearing pajamas. Have fallen asleep? Yeah,

656
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: the anti wardrobe. Yeah, yes, together it was wearing a

657
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 1: T shirtther they said dad bod, which I thought was

658
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: funny because it's very accurate. Um. Yeah. So the other

659
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: big news in recent days in in the larger golf

660
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: landscape is that Live Golf finally landed it's TV deal

661
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: with the c W, which a network I remember, like

662
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 1: I'm just young enough that like when Dawson's Creek and

663
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 1: those those trashy teen shows were a thing I was

664
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,359
Speaker 1: sort of adjacent to asn't and so I've always known

665
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: the CW, but I honestly didn't even know it was

666
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: still in business. And I haven't thought about this c

667
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: W in decades. But it has been funny to me

668
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: the YouTube nostalgia, like on golf Twitter like, oh, this

669
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: is a terrible move. You know, YouTube is the biggest

670
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: platform in the world. When when they were only when

671
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: Live was only on YouTube, people like, oh, it's a joke.

672
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: They're only on YouTube. They can't even get on TV.

673
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: Now they're on TV, and everyone's like, oh, this is

674
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,800
Speaker 1: the wrong network, like they sort of can't win. I

675
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: agree that, you know, it's not it's not ESPN, it's

676
00:36:56,120 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 1: not Fox whatever. But it was a necessary first step. Uh,

677
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 1: but what do you guys think of this news? It

678
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: was weird to me, was that you that YouTube broadcast.

679
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 1: I watched a little bit and it was good. Uh

680
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: they did, I mean for their first year of being

681
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: in the in the business of putting golf tournaments on

682
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: they're they're broadcast was good. I mentioned, they'll do a

683
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: good job with it. Uh, you know, you can buy

684
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: talent in the TV business. You're putting on a show.

685
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: I menagined they'll do very well with it. People people

686
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 1: want to watch it. They're gonna find their way to it.

687
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,439
Speaker 1: It was good, but it wasn't. It was unsustainable. Part

688
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: I was so good was no commercials, you know, and

689
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 1: they they you know, in the world we live in,

690
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: you need TV revenue to the survive as a as

691
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:47,279
Speaker 1: a global sports you know, franchise. So I think, yeah,

692
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't. How can I take exceptional because, uh, the

693
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: Mastress has proved that's not true. The Mastress has more

694
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: money than God. The only group that has more money

695
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: than the masters of course the Saudis. So I don't

696
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: know if that's necessarily the case. I mean, like what

697
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: I made fun My joke was, uh, who's going to

698
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 1: tell the animals? Because on Sunday there's World's Funniest Animals

699
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: is on c W. So I was like, who, who's

700
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: going to tell the animals that cancel? But um, like,

701
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: I think if you look at it objectively and I'm

702
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: trying my best, is a sports organization started one year

703
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,760
Speaker 1: ago or a little over a year ago has dropped.

704
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: They didn't announce till March. Okay, yeah, less than a

705
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: year ago. They've taken some of the best players in

706
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: the world, including maybe Ram's ahead now probably the second

707
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: best player in the entire world. Right Uh, and now

708
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 1: they're on TV and they are competing against what was

709
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 1: a monopoly forever. Uh. And so yes, it's the c W. Yes,

710
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make fun of it. Yes, so is everybody else.

711
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: But if you are objective and you don't think that

712
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: they're making strides and affecting golf. You're just flat out wrong.

713
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: It's just all there is to it. It's the same stuff. Like, yes,

714
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: it's a joke that it's on the CW all of it.

715
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 1: Everything is. But if like March eleven months ago, they

716
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: were No. One and they have maybe four or five

717
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: of the top twenty or thirty players in the world,

718
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 1: and they're on a TV network and they have a

719
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: relatively full schedule, and I just they it's kind of wild. Yeah,

720
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: And to to Michael's point, I mean, the key for

721
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: Live is to make the telecasts unique and different. You

722
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: don't want to just look like Phil in the Booth,

723
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: but fill both Phil in the Booth, Phil and David

724
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 1: Ferty that they would choose some So, okay, now you're

725
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: on TV great now show us what that could look

726
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,839
Speaker 1: like in a different fashion, because to try and look

727
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: like the PG Tour but not quite as good makes

728
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:00,919
Speaker 1: no sense for them. So like they've got to they've

729
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: got to really blow up the template of what a

730
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: tour telecast is. And if they do that, they will

731
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 1: win some hearts and minds, because we all know that

732
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 1: the number one pastime of of golf fans is complaining

733
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 1: about the telecast so I'll be curious if they can

734
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: reimagine if they have the if they have the brain

735
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: power and the sensibilities, and also the runway because their

736
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: first telecast is like a month away, like, so it's

737
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: not they clearly they've had time to play on in

738
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: this offseason. But if you I don't know, I just

739
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:36,879
Speaker 1: I just hope they don't go down the conventional route,

740
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: because what's the point of that. As as J Monahan said,

741
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,400
Speaker 1: it's not product against products, and the tour product is

742
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: established and it's it's it's the it's what we all

743
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: are accustomed to, and it's traditional and it's pleasant in

744
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: its own way. So if liv really wants to be

745
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: the great disruptor, then show me something different so I

746
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: have a reason to watch. I think golf is heading

747
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 1: you know, Marketing said us to me, Uh, marketing, The

748
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: former o CEO of Taylor made no stills talk us

749
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: for a living, not out of a truck, and he

750
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 1: said this, he said, we're five years from now, we'll

751
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: be heading towards a world where there's two really prominent

752
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 1: national world tours so to speak, the PGA Tour and

753
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: and the and and Live golf, and things are moving

754
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 1: in that direction. Uh, they just they just it may

755
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 1: not be good for golf long long term, but things

756
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 1: seem to be moving in that direction. I don't know

757
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: how anyone really could argue otherwise. I am uh we

758
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: I've brought this up I think three podcast in but

759
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 1: the car R r L fight and uh and yesterday

760
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: drove it home again as the PGA tour, UH tweeted

761
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 1: out a picture of or a video of Xander making

762
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,280
Speaker 1: his albatross and then saying this was worth three thousand dollars.

763
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: And I cannot tell you how quickly that is going

764
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 1: to turn people off, Like some tweeted at me today.

765
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: You know, Uh, I guess Xander has made fifty four

766
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: million dollars playing golf like that. Three hundred thousand is

767
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 1: kind of irrelevant. First of all, the shot wasn't worth

768
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: three hundred. All of the shots were worth three hundred.

769
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: But like this whole competition of showing how much money

770
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:18,879
Speaker 1: these guys make is that's what happened to the cart

771
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 1: and I R L rich people trying to get richer

772
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 1: and it ended IndyCar Uh And viewership is down on

773
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: the PGA tour. Not a ton of people are watching live,

774
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: Like people are getting turned off by this ship and

775
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: for them to dive in, uh, you know, trying to

776
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 1: show like you know, who has a bigger bicep? Yes,

777
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: you're welcome guys for pg NG that and you thought

778
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 1: I was going somewhere else. Uh, like who has a

779
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 1: bigger bicep? Is is just going to turn golf fans

780
00:42:54,040 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: off eventually, just all there is to it. And that's

781
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: where I'm afraid golf is going, right, I mean, I

782
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: would you when someone makes an albatross, the stat is like,

783
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: how many albatrosses are there in the history of the

784
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. It's the rarest thing there is, are way

785
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: more rare than a hole on one. Don't tell me

786
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: about who cares about three? Kay? Like, you're absolutely right, Ryan,

787
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: it's but that's that's the livification of the discourse. But

788
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 1: I I really don't understand it from the PGA Tour's

789
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: perspective because the money is like if that was on live,

790
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: it would be seven hundred thousand dollars shot because like

791
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: they can't They've openly admitted they can't admit like compete

792
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 1: on a dollar to dollar basis. So I just anyway,

793
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:38,840
Speaker 1: it's Uh, it's frustrating. Yeah, I mean that. So that

794
00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:41,080
Speaker 1: was that was the big deal, was getting the tv

795
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: UM situation settled and announced. The next big announcement is

796
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: the forty eight man we can call forty man because

797
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: that's what it's gonna be roster for live golf for

798
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty three. You know, last year during the

799
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 1: beta test year, of course, they're bringing players on UM

800
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:04,359
Speaker 1: in in sort of the staggered erratic fashion. They kept

801
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: having to move people from team to team, like their

802
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: planned all along for two thousand twenty three is to

803
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 1: have everything baked out. These are our forty eight guys,

804
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 1: These are the twelve teams, and um they keep delaying

805
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: this announcement and it's gonna be weeks ago. Either it's

806
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,479
Speaker 1: because they're finalizing a bunch of deals and they're gonna

807
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 1: rock our worlds with a bunch of big announcements, or

808
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 1: they're desperately trying to get anyone to say yes it is.

809
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: It's probably one of the two, and there hasn't been

810
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 1: a lot of buzz. I mean, the the the usual

811
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: suspects who have been rumored in the past, like they've

812
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: seen more and more entrenched with the PGA Tour. They're

813
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: certainly making a hell of a lot money on the PGA,

814
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: a lot more money on the PGA Tour than they

815
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: had been previously. So, like Live knows, it's gonna look

816
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: like a a public relations defeat if they can only

817
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: announce you know, Medo Pereira or or some other semi

818
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,719
Speaker 1: fringe players. So I'm sure the offers are going up.

819
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,959
Speaker 1: I'm sure the agents are licking their chops. The there's

820
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: probably some players and their wives are anguishing. But that's

821
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 1: the next big announcement, and and I think that will

822
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: have obviously we'll define this season for Live. It'll it'll

823
00:45:15,360 --> 00:45:21,279
Speaker 1: it'll in people's minds, maybe settle the the US against them,

824
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: like the two the sides will have been drawn once

825
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: they announced this, Like it'll be pretty clear what professional

826
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,279
Speaker 1: golf is gonna look like for a long time. I

827
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: don't see a ton of movement throughout this season, so

828
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: um that that's a very freighted announcement that's gonna come

829
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 1: down any day now. And how many names are you

830
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,680
Speaker 1: looking for? Own? Well? The you know, I was talking

831
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: to some Live folks like two to three weeks ago,

832
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:49,200
Speaker 1: and they they were hoping to have a handful. What

833
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: that's can be defined? How big are your hands? But um,

834
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: you know if if it's only one, yeah, Ryan impressive,

835
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: So um we'll see. I mean that they the problem.

836
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,080
Speaker 1: The problem for Live is they've built their whole business

837
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 1: model on on buzz and on on hype, and so

838
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: if you've got to keep feeding that because I think product,

839
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: you know again, product against product, Uh, they fall short

840
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of people's eyes. So um, it's a

841
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: mad scramble right now to sign some players, and I'll

842
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 1: be very curious how it plays out. So I don't

843
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: really agree with that because I think, you know, if

844
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: they if they signed Colin Mark how which would be

845
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:36,399
Speaker 1: extremely unlikely. Uh, then he goes over and plays there

846
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: and we forget about him. If you're if you forget

847
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: about if you play the PGA Tour, and if you

848
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: if you follow the PGA Tour closely, just like you

849
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,280
Speaker 1: know how often you think about Brooks cup Can Bryson Deshambo.

850
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: Now if you're aren't following Live, So I I think

851
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 1: as long as they're forty A and the PGA Tour

852
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:57,720
Speaker 1: is still committed to six, then when on product versus product,

853
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,200
Speaker 1: it's just two really very differ from products. And uh,

854
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: they signed some guys their names. Now, that doesn't mean

855
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna be names in five years. You know, Phil

856
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: Mickelson's not gonna be a name in five years. It's

857
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: just gonna be another golfer in his mid leave fifties

858
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: who had a great, great, great career that you hardly

859
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: think about. David Duval had a great, great, great career

860
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 1: that you hardly ever think about. So they're just sort

861
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 1: of names. I don't think it's so important. Interesting, Well,

862
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 1: the marketplace will decide um before we go, let's just

863
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: touch on the Davis Love Drew Love situation. It's quite interesting.

864
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 1: Ryan explained to people why the whole world is suddenly

865
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: obsessed again with Drew Love. Yeah, Um, Drew was in

866
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: the I was perusing the final stage of Asian Toque School,

867
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:49,360
Speaker 1: which is total normal nerd golf nerd stuff. Uh, but

868
00:47:50,120 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 1: Drew Love was there and I really didn't think about it.

869
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 1: Um just assumed he got through first stage at some place,

870
00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 1: and uh he hadn't. I mean he got an exemption

871
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: into final stage. And the pettiness on both sides. Greg

872
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,759
Speaker 1: J the PJ Tour, everyone right, it's kind of like

873
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,800
Speaker 1: taking camp Smith's parking spot at TPC Sawgrass, you know,

874
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: press releases on the same day, all that kind of pettiness.

875
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,280
Speaker 1: You would think that Greg gave him exemption into Asian

876
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 1: Tour status so he would play himself into onto the

877
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 1: Asian Tour, which he did. Finished thirty cards available fourth

878
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:31,359
Speaker 1: round sixty two. By the way, the dude has some talent,

879
00:48:31,400 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: There's no argument about that. And then, uh, you would

880
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: think maybe he plays well in a few Asian Tour events,

881
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: or even before he plays on the Asian Tour, that

882
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: Greg is petty enough to give him an invite to

883
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: live because Davis has been so I was spoken, and

884
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 1: that is when I would love to be at the

885
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: dinner table of the Loves. When we had Davis on

886
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: the podcast months ago, I mean I titled it the

887
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: Voice of the Establishman. I mean that as you're saying, Ryan,

888
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 1: it's really Davis has found his voice late in life

889
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: as this crusator for the tour. And so, yeah, it

890
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: is interesting because perusing Asian Tour qualifying results used to

891
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: be high nerd, but now, as we've discussed many times

892
00:49:16,480 --> 00:49:19,320
Speaker 1: in the past, the Asian Tour has become much more relevant.

893
00:49:19,360 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: It's the future system in to live. It's it's going

894
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 1: to become a center of gravity for young inspiring players

895
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,279
Speaker 1: because the money is going up. So the Asian Tours

896
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: a much bigger deal and ever has been. But um,

897
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, do you know how unusual it is to

898
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 1: be granted an exemption into I assume that rarely happens. So, uh,

899
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: the Asian Tour has been somewhat famous for you could

900
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: buy your way into the fame, but that was before

901
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 1: they had any money, like they you know, needed money

902
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:50,879
Speaker 1: to keep tournaments going and those kind of things. Um uh,

903
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,800
Speaker 1: I just got as we were on and I have

904
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: to confirm it, but one of uh Phil's buddies evidently

905
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: missed by one at the Arizona so but was magically

906
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: in final stage and got his card. Uh. So you know,

907
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: it's it's still like it's still kind of a buddy system,

908
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,440
Speaker 1: but it's pretty unusual. No one broadcasted. I reached out

909
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 1: to the Asian Tour through somebody and they didn't have

910
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: any comment or they just sent me a list of

911
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: the reasons that someone could get an exemption. There's a

912
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: bunch and the main one is one of the ones

913
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 1: that would fall under all of these categories. Is the

914
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: tournament committee has the right to grant any sort of exemption. So, um,

915
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: it didn't actually say that this person's father is a

916
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:38,160
Speaker 1: Ryder Cup captain that which, right, who who talks about

917
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: live all the time and we would like to get

918
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: him on. Yeah, it's super weird, but it does start

919
00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:49,479
Speaker 1: to bring into sharp relief something Andy Ogletree told Allen

920
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 1: to me a while back, and it was it was

921
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:56,880
Speaker 1: so telling. Young Bryan's professional life is devoted to this statement.

922
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,960
Speaker 1: Young golfers looking for places to play, and Uh, Davis

923
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 1: isn't gonna begrudge his son for that is my reading

924
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: of it. Even with all the weirdness. Davids stands for

925
00:51:10,239 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: one thing, Davis is the voice of establishment, but on

926
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: another on another level, you know, Drew's a you know,

927
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: a good young golfer looking for a place to play.

928
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:21,439
Speaker 1: I think that's an easy conversation Michael on the Asian Tour.

929
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: I think it's a little more difficult on the Lift Tour,

930
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:27,520
Speaker 1: especially if he gets an exemption. Uh. And to the

931
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 1: people that like Listen, Drew gets a lot of hate

932
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: for all of the exemptions he's gotten and those kind

933
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: of things. Don't bregrudge him for that. Listen, Mark Baldwin

934
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: got two exemptions because of social media presence, so like

935
00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:42,879
Speaker 1: whatever the reasons are, no problem. No one's gonna turn

936
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: it down. All of us would take it. So no

937
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:49,799
Speaker 1: problem with Drew getting uh an exemption into final stage again,

938
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: it's just kind of be upfront about it, right, like,

939
00:51:52,680 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: uh it is. It's going to be wild because I mean,

940
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I don't know why Greg wouldn't.

941
00:51:59,640 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean it like, I mean, of course, like, no

942
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:10,840
Speaker 1: one's gonna go where's Henny quid? Question for you? Is

943
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,320
Speaker 1: that purported or is that the fact that he the

944
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: exemption to the final stage. Yeah, it's it's a fact. Well,

945
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: And to to your point, I'm not even sure there's

946
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: gonna be much conversation about Live because when you think

947
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: of the ultra uptight conservative, longtime member of the establishment,

948
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,359
Speaker 1: it's Wally you Line and his son's making a killing

949
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: on Live. So uh and he was you know he

950
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, Peter your Line had a great amstra career,

951
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: but he could never stick on the PGA tour. He doesn't.

952
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 1: He tried for years, So I think, um, I think

953
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: when you know the dads are pragmatic and they know

954
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: how hard how hard it is to make it, and

955
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,960
Speaker 1: um if they have a route to professional golf and

956
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 1: but anyway, yeah, so it is, Michael, can you ask

957
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: Davis if I could come over for dinner for that conversation.

958
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: I went to more than once I've had dinner with

959
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: with Drew and Davis and uh eight years ago. I

960
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,520
Speaker 1: mean Drew was a little kid, and uh there everyone

961
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 1: was rarding dinner and uh, I said, you know, what

962
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,439
Speaker 1: are the fish specials today? And everybody else was ruding

963
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:18,800
Speaker 1: steak and uh, and Drew said, you know he he

964
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,959
Speaker 1: doesn't order steak, and David says, you, yeah, that's because

965
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 1: Michael dosney neat doesn't eat red meat. And then Drew says, well,

966
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: then what does he eat? I have a Drew I

967
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: have a Drew love story. Uh. Colorado Colorado opened. Uh,

968
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:38,160
Speaker 1: Drew is near the lead. I'm out there covering it.

969
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: And Drew's caddy has uh flip flops on. I take

970
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: a picture of his flip flops, not him, just of

971
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: his flip flops. Put it up on Twitter. Sometimes I

972
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: forget like that. I have a passionate you know, following,

973
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 1: and they just hammered the poor dude, like I mean,

974
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,439
Speaker 1: just lighting him up like a Christmas tree. And Drew

975
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: getting rapnel too. You know, there's taking a guy who

976
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: doesn't care. And so I'm sitting in the in the

977
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,800
Speaker 1: cart and Drew comes off the green of like twelve

978
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 1: and he starts walking towards me and he goes, hey, man,

979
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 1: can you take that tweet down? My kid? He's just

980
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: getting hammered And all we're doing is getting a million

981
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: messages on our phone about it. And I was like, yeah,

982
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:24,120
Speaker 1: I take it down. He's also had the most earnest

983
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: caddy ever, his Davis Caddy for Drew, and Drew qualified

984
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 1: for the UH for the US Open. UH no special

985
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,879
Speaker 1: anything there of course and UH. And it was so clear,

986
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: you know, Drew wanted and Davis wanted it more, and

987
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 1: Davis was catting his bottom off. But he couldn't talk

988
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:44,200
Speaker 1: his our memory, he couldn't talk of, he couldn't talk.

989
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: Drew at a driver in one particular only drove into

990
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: the rough, made a bog and I think he missed

991
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: by a shot. I love that well to You're the

992
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: flip flop thing. When I was in during a practice

993
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: round at the Rio Olympics. I was out there on

994
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: the course and it was empty, and this ball came

995
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: rolling up from sort of adjacent fairway and it was

996
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: a titlist. It was number sixty nine and it was

997
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,960
Speaker 1: it was Scott hend and I took a photo of

998
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: it and I put it and I was like, oh,

999
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, what a dirty bird or something, and everyone

1000
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: everyone was so upset. Ian Baker Finch, the most mild

1001
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 1: manner guy in golf. I got my business like and uh,

1002
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: I was like, first of all, if you put sixty

1003
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: nine on your golf ball, you're asking for people to notice.

1004
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 1: And he could have a put to win the gold

1005
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:29,040
Speaker 1: medal and they'll zoom it on the ball and it'll

1006
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: be a sixty nine. Like I didn't make him do it.

1007
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: And it was like, it's just funny, Like people do

1008
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 1: things and I guess they think no one's gonna notice.

1009
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,720
Speaker 1: But it's not the world we lived in. So Scott,

1010
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,759
Speaker 1: this was you know, now seven years ago. If you're

1011
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 1: still sore about that, UM, I have no regrets. Um anyway, UM,

1012
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: this has been, as as always, a very eclectic fire drill.

1013
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 1: But UM, the key takeaway for you the Listeners is

1014
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: on on Tuesday, Earth, presumably tomorrow. When you listen to

1015
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 1: this um, go to the YouTube of the fire Pick

1016
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 1: Collective or go to fire Pi Collective dot com watch

1017
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: the first episode of the grind docuseries. Hopefully you'll enjoy it.

1018
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: If you feel moved to, you know, talk about on

1019
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: social media, we wouldn't mind. But we're very proud of this.

1020
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: We're very excited about it, and we hope you guys

1021
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,359
Speaker 1: will tune in. But even if you don't, we'll keep

1022
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: bringing you these fire drills every week. So for Michael

1023
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: Bamberger and Ryan Frances Alan Schufnik, thank you for listening,

1024
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 1: and we'll be back at it again soon. That's the end.

1025
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: A bed big play to win, made a fortune within

1026
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: my ship game. I run the table and thought I

1027
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:51,240
Speaker 1: could fall. Then the win hit me like a cannon

1028
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:57,600
Speaker 1: the ball and now can't shake this losing the street.

1029
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:03,560
Speaker 1: Every road I take is a dead end stream. I

1030
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: got thoughts in my head, can't get him out, trying

1031
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 1: not to think what I'm thinking about. I gott thoughts

1032
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 1: in my head. I can't get him out, trying not

1033
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: to think what I'm thinking about