1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Where the funk are we? I keep asking myself over 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,840 Speaker 1: and over. I'm in the front seat, studying the map. 3 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,240 Speaker 1: After three or four days of sleeping in the back seat. 4 00:00:09,039 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: My shoulder length hair is up in a ponytail, and 5 00:00:11,520 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: my skin is oily. I have dark circles under my 6 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 1: hazel eyes. But I feel better and my head is clear. 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: The next time we pull over, I can actually look 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: around and make complete sense. My body has released all 9 00:00:24,120 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: the toxins, and now it's time for me to think. 10 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 1: The next road we come to is a long blacktop 11 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: which goes on forever. A few rights and left later 12 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: and we're on a dirt path. I think we're in Mississippi. 13 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Who the funk knows anymore? All the power raide and 14 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: granola bars fade into one blurry day. The sun is 15 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: high in the sky above us. It is quiet, creepy, 16 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: heavy silence. As we move onto an even smaller and 17 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:55,160 Speaker 1: more overgrown path, the trees and bushes start to get 18 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 1: thicker and thicker. As we drive further and further into 19 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: the woods, the car began to pull to one side. 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: Dylan looks at Ryan and asks him if he checked 21 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,839 Speaker 1: the right tire. Ryan shrugs. He didn't want to piss 22 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:11,480 Speaker 1: Dylan off anymore than he already is. Welcome to The 23 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,880 Speaker 1: Docherty Gang, a production of I Heart Radio and Katie 24 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: Studios Episode six, Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwiches in Mexico. 25 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm Courtney Armstrong, a crime producer at Katie Studios with 26 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: Stephanie Lydecker. We've been working with producer Beth Greenwald on 27 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: The Docherty Gang for months now. These three siblings have 28 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: agreed to tell their story for the very first time, 29 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 1: each from separate prisons. Lee Grace Docherty is at the 30 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 1: Federal Correction Institute Aliceville in Alabama. Ryan Dockerty is in 31 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: the U S Penitentiary Tucson in Arizona, and Dylan Docherty 32 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: is at the Federal Correction Institute in Bennettsville, South Carolina. 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: Let's call it's from Quison. This is just a small 34 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: amount of money, and knowing me how I in money, 35 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: I mean I could spend that in a couple of days. 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: And I think Filan's looking at me like, you know, 37 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: my sister could spend this in three days. Just there's 38 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: there's any amount of money, So I think he's worried 39 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm kinson Ryan's just drawing like a bat out of hell. 40 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:17,160 Speaker 1: I need a control that out of hell. But you 41 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 1: know this is a me and Dylan. It's falling our eyes. 42 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,120 Speaker 1: You know, I'm looking at him, he's looking at me, 43 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: and we're thinking, well, we're gonna have to really scrimp 44 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 1: and save. We're going to be eating Kenovada and Jolly sandwiches. 45 00:02:28,200 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: In Mexico. After robbing a bank and shooting at police, 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: the Docherty siblings were on the run and in their 47 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: trunk was a cash filled with weapons and two thousand 48 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 1: rounds of ammunition. With various law enforcement agencies after them, Dylan, Ryan, 49 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: and Lee Grays took only back roads, staying one step 50 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: ahead of authorities. Ryan picks up the story, we stopped 51 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: it out just because about the first place that we 52 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: stopped that was probably I don't know, thirty miles away 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: it where it's where like the further you can get 54 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: away from the actual scene, because you know you're not 55 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: getting busted immediately, you're getting busted later with like them 56 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: money still, So that's like one of the biggest issues. 57 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: It's not that you're gonna get funny, You're never gonna 58 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: get rusted into bank unless you take seven years. When 59 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: you just get like a piddley amount of money. I mean, yeah, 60 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: it's free money, but like you're never gonna get there 61 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: on that amount the whole rest of the time. I'm like, damn, 62 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: we should probably it some more banks. And then I'm 63 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: also like, man, we gotta hit one that's got like 64 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: a vault, or like one that's got more money, or 65 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: or something along those lines. Here's the Dockerty Gangs writer 66 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: director producer Sean McEwen. He's known the siblings for eight years. 67 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,320 Speaker 1: Did you get a ton of money? They got like 68 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: five grand? Or because did you want to bust or 69 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: something like that. But they had some money and it 70 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: it went down. It went just like in the movie. 71 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: It all happened like it was supposed to, and no 72 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: one got hurt. They decided, look, we gotta go. We're 73 00:03:46,400 --> 00:03:48,720 Speaker 1: probably gonna rob some more of them. It just it 74 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: takes a little bit to work your nerve up to 75 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 1: do it. And in a likely bank. You know, because 76 00:03:52,960 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 1: of the amount that we got from that bank where 77 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: sucking peanuts. You might not need enough to live on 78 00:03:57,840 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, but you sure it 79 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: and enough for some seed money. To get started, to 80 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: start a business somewhere else, or to do something in 81 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: order to support yourself. Producer Beth Greenwald. I guess I 82 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: was always under the impression that the money was just 83 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 1: to get you across the border, but the money was 84 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: to set you up. Yeah, exactly. I don't want to 85 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: do all of this and risk life and limb and 86 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 1: go somewhere else and work like that. I don't speak Spanish. 87 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: I'm an outsider. Wherever I go, it doesn't matter. It's 88 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: not gonna get some high paid jobs and where. And 89 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: I'm not bilingual, so I can't translate. I can't teach 90 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: people how to speak my language. I can't you know, 91 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: what appreciable skills do I have that the people down 92 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 1: there don't already have. It's not really like a good 93 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: way to go down there and only that, but there's 94 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: also like a negotiation to the local populace to make 95 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 1: them not maybe flip rat kick me across the border. 96 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: Because here's a joke about non extraditionary countries. Right, if 97 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: they want you bad enough, they'll just come get you anyways. Right, 98 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: you're mainly relying on the fact that you don't pop 99 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 1: up on the raidar, don't be noticeable, don't stick out right. 100 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: And if you own a business and it happens to 101 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: employ a decent amount of the local populace, right then 102 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: those people don't want you going anywhere, so they'll kind 103 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: of watch your back. That follows up with older brother Dylan, 104 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: followed by Lee Grace. What are you guys talking about 105 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: at this point? Where where are your heads at? You know, 106 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: where where's my head at? My head was at, you know, 107 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 1: getting away, not getting caught. This call was from a 108 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: federal prison. We have to make another score, and we 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 1: weren't trying to join things like you know, back to back, 110 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:36,640 Speaker 1: so to speak. I've seen heat one or two times, 111 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: but that hadn't make me up, you know, professional bank robbery. 112 00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: You know, I don't know what kind of security systems 113 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,200 Speaker 1: they have. It wasn't something that I've took two years 114 00:05:44,200 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: of planning. And then when it did so anything, that 115 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 1: was the point where we just started driving and did 116 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: not stop, because once we got away from the bank, 117 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: there was no going back. Producer Chris Grave speaks with 118 00:05:56,080 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: former FBI agent Brad Garrett, your former FBI specially, can 119 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: you kind of walk me through how long you did that, 120 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: and kind of what you did, I had for me, 121 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,520 Speaker 1: so do the ideal career, because all I really did 122 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: for twenty plush years is worked violent crime, and in particular, 123 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: I've worked literally hundreds of bank robberies because of the 124 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: squad I was on, we responded all the bank robberies, 125 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: and so that's what sort of primarily what I was 126 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 1: doing day in and day out, with a mixture of 127 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: some other crimes, but all of a violent nature. Are 128 00:06:31,080 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: there unique aspects to working bank robberies? The average robbery 129 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: that we're talking about today, to include the Dougherty robberies, 130 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: put the profile of not a lot of money and 131 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: also predictably a high risk of getting caught for a 132 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: number of reasons. One was that if you rob a bank, 133 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: there's a tendency to rob another bank or permit some 134 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: other type of robbery. In each one of those robberies, 135 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: you end up leaving more clues, whether it be surveillance photographs, 136 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 1: whether it be car descriptions, whether it be descriptions of 137 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: the people committed the robbery, because for whatever reason, robbers 138 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: tend to use kind of the same disguises as they 139 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: did and maybe in a Freeman's robbery, all of that stuff. 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: With each crime you pick up more information that ultimately 141 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: leads to somebody being arrested. But it's just a high 142 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: rate of solving bank robberies. It's typically over n because 143 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: there's this usually so much information the trail. We're growing desperate, 144 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 1: and Mexico remained their destination. We wanted to actually crop 145 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:42,040 Speaker 1: on foot in California. We figured it would be safer. 146 00:07:42,320 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: We wouldn't have to go through an actual border crossing 147 00:07:45,560 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: in a vehicle. We could just walk across and not 148 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: get stopped. We did not want to get stopped on 149 00:07:50,640 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 1: the border and have Mexican authorities pull us out of 150 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: the car, search us, find all these guns and ammunition 151 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 1: and end up in some Mexican pres it as. The 152 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 1: Trio were dodging law enforcement. They were in plain sight, 153 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: just a family in a white soup broom moving through 154 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 1: small towns. Here's Dylan speaking with Beth. Did you get 155 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: to experience anything or you guys, like, how much can 156 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: you experience something when you realize that everybody is looking 157 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: for you? You know what I mean? As far as like, 158 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: you know, do we go to an amusement park? No? 159 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: I mean do we experience stuff, Yeah, as much as 160 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: you you know, experienced stuff riding down the road, like 161 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: if you were to get the car and kind of 162 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: go on a road trip and you know, I don't 163 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: know if you have two siblings, but if you you know, 164 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 1: got the car with your siblings and and you know, 165 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: went on a road trip and then mixing the bank 166 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: the bank robbery and guns. But it's kind of a 167 00:08:39,679 --> 00:08:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was weird. It's definitely memories 168 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 1: that it all have forever. There were times where it 169 00:08:44,520 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: was kind of like a normal family vacation, and there 170 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: was other parts and it was like, you know, kind 171 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 1: of it was not normal. Like every time you thought 172 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: you saw a cop car your you know, your heart 173 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: begins to raise it, you know what I mean. Pascal 174 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: County Sheriff Chris Naco was working with the FBI to 175 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: apprehend therates. Well, I know, our local partners were engaged 176 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: very early on. I said that the federal partners did 177 00:09:05,960 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: a phenomenal job, especially went across into Georgia, crossing the 178 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: state line. Everybody was engaged deeply. But I can tell 179 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 1: you know, when a lawforce officer gets shot, our federal 180 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: partners are very deeply engaged because they also recognize that 181 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: if somebody's going to shoot lawforcement, they're willing to do anything. 182 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: There was a lot of things that happened like that, 183 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, We got a flat tire, 184 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: and I want to say it was Arkansas if I'm 185 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 1: not mistaken. We actually got lost down there, like the 186 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 1: corner of Arkansas. We hadn't get a flat tire or 187 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: we were put a little down and on the tire, 188 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,920 Speaker 1: and we were coming out in this older couple kind 189 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: of like waves us down and but like, how does 190 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: that road lead out is or is that like a 191 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 1: dead end? We're like, no, it's a dead end. It's 192 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 1: there's no way to get out. You know, we just 193 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 1: spent two hours not here driving or around the circle, 194 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: so surely it would cut out on another main road, 195 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: and it really can't just go into a tire shot 196 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 1: God and put the car on the lift and you know, 197 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to get like boxed in anywhere, and 198 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 1: pulled off on like a little side road. We have 199 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: to little donuts on the car, and you know, we 200 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,720 Speaker 1: have this other regular rim and it's got the flat tire, 201 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 1: and I rolled the tire down the road, you know, 202 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 1: like a kid kicking the tire down the street, probably 203 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: about a half mile or a quarter mile from the 204 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:13,679 Speaker 1: tire shop, And so I wheel to tire in there 205 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, yeah, I did I need a 206 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: tire replacement four And they're they're going over the rack 207 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: and the closest tire they had. They were like, oh, 208 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: well we got a one ninety five. You know, it's 209 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: a little skinnier tire. I don't care, you know what 210 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: I mean. And I was like, yeah, that's fine. I'm 211 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:27,880 Speaker 1: sitting there on the run and I'm like trying to 212 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: be like, you know, I mean that tire spine, just 213 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 1: put it on the fucking rail. Let's go. And you know, 214 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm thinking they're gonna like rag gas around and it's 215 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: not gonna be just you know, like well, I we'll, we'll, 216 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 1: we'll get till after lunch kind of thing. Because they 217 00:10:38,800 --> 00:10:40,719 Speaker 1: already had stuff they were doing. Man, they had to 218 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: tire on there in like I don't know, like ten 219 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: minutes flat. They had to. They had to tire mounted, 220 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: balance ready to go and be like, oh, we'll put 221 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: the donut back in the trunk. Four in you know, 222 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, here, you know, let me just scoot 223 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: these guns and two thousand rounds the am oh out 224 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: of the way. And I was like, well, I appreciate it. 225 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:58,079 Speaker 1: Tells you all got to do can to did a 226 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: gmmous job. I'm out here. Here's some Annie. I appreciate it. 227 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: And obviously there's reasons we couldn't just take the car 228 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,040 Speaker 1: down there. On was just one of those, you know, 229 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: weird things that happened out there on the road. The 230 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: media remained fascinated by the unfolding case. One local newspiece 231 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: was an expanded story on the trio focused on Ryan's attorney, 232 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 1: Robert Eddington. He's the man who represented Ryan for the 233 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,559 Speaker 1: loutless of his charge in Florida. Attorney Bob Eddington remembers 234 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: the look Ryan Doherty had what he walked in his 235 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 1: office two years ago, so well he can describe it 236 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: in great detail. He didn't seem to be particularly there 237 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: in terms of his mentality. It was a blank look 238 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: on his face. And found that a little bit disconcerting 239 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: because I want him to understand fully what was going on. 240 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 1: In an effort to facilitate law enforcement, Eddington reached out 241 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: to Dougherty mother Barbara Bell, and persuaded her to make 242 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,599 Speaker 1: a plea for the siblings to surrender. Mr Eddington suggested 243 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: that I give a statement to the media or otherwise 244 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: I never would have done so. And when I made 245 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 1: the video asking them to turn themselves in, I didn't 246 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: know why they were running in the first place, so 247 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: I didn't know what would have changed to make them 248 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,800 Speaker 1: want to turn themselves in. However, the reason I spoke 249 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: out at that time was to let people know that 250 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,040 Speaker 1: they were good people, that they weren't on a murderous rampage, 251 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: that they were good human beings, that these were my children. 252 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: Please prove me right and everybody wrong by doing the 253 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: right thing now and turning yourselves in. In an odd twist, 254 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: Robert Eddington was found dead a year later. Deputies investigated 255 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: it as a suicide. Here's still in followed by Ryan 256 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: speaking to Beth, and you know what happened to Robert Eddington? Correct? 257 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: You and I both know what happened to Attorney. And 258 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: that's unfortunate, to say the least, But obviously I think 259 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 1: it speaks to what the guy was involved with. I 260 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 1: think he was shady. I think a lot of attorneys 261 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: dealing shades are pray. I think that's a part their profession. 262 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: He wanted up that. I don't know if that's over 263 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: guilt of like the shitty deals that he got his 264 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: clients over a period of time or what it was over, 265 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: But like if he have family or loved ones who 266 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: left behind, I feel bad for them, I really do. 267 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: The met was an overdrive and the docritees were listening tonight. 268 00:13:08,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 1: Detectives tell us they have received a number of tips 269 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: as to where these siblings could be right now. They 270 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,400 Speaker 1: put them some in North Georgia, some in Tennessee around 271 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: or in Chattanooga. You know, we heard ourselves when he 272 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: was really weird. It's like, I don't know if you 273 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: ever any good news on mp are, but think you 274 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,320 Speaker 1: know what I mean. They're like, we're just listening to 275 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,439 Speaker 1: the radio and there's been three play together, robbing ter 276 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 1: stick together, and some other said there two brothers. Uh, 277 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: it's kind of funny. As the docertees continued driving, the 278 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: days marched on and all three were getting tired of 279 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,319 Speaker 1: sleeping in the car and finding out of the way 280 00:13:48,320 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: places to eat. There was no restaurants. Mostly it was 281 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: gas station. It was a lot of gas station food. 282 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: There was a couple of times that we got take out, 283 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: which would have been pizza with and we went to 284 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: a I want to say it was some type of 285 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: a brand Sonic. It was. It was a drive through 286 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 1: and we got drinks. Ryan picks up the story. So 287 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 1: it's in the middle of the night, We're driving the 288 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere. There's a Sonics. It's like, in the 289 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: middle of nowhere that shouldn't even be there because you 290 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: can't see a town that surrounds it. I ended up 291 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: pulling a U turn. My brother and sister like relatively 292 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: asleep in the car, you know, nodding on and off 293 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: and so like what ain't doing And I'm like, man, 294 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm going to Sonic. They're like, no, we can't go there. 295 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 1: People recognize. Uh. I didn't snap on him, but sometimes 296 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: I had to put my foot down, especially with my brother. 297 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: It's rare. I really picked my battles because for the 298 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: most part, I let him call the shots somethings because 299 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, he's a little older than me, he knows 300 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: a little better. But on that thing, I told him 301 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna get shot to pieces with my stomach empty, 302 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: go fund yourself. So you know, we went into Sonics 303 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: and they both ordered like a number six and like 304 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: a number four and like a drink to go with it, 305 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: or something like some little d s order. Right, I 306 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: turned around and I ordered stuff or two of those 307 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: chili dogs or two of those Coney Island hot dogs 308 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 1: with chili on it and extra cheese and hal Vino's. 309 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna need Tater Todds with the same deal on 310 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: top of them. I'm gonna need like these four different 311 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: drinks for these things in it. I'm gonna need desserts, 312 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:13,400 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna need this thing and that thing that 313 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,680 Speaker 1: it's like my order is like order in and of itself. 314 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: Forty order and the orders like a six dollar order 315 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: a piece. And I look back and I'm like, hey, 316 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 1: will be last chance you all want to change your 317 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: orders or add something to it. We're going to take 318 00:15:31,160 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 1: a quick break here. We'll be back in a moment. 319 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: The Doughertys kept moving, driving through multiple states to stay 320 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: under the radar. Most hotels you have to show an 321 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: I D. There's very few. Even the Mom and Pop, 322 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: the cheapest of the cheap hotel, they still required identification. 323 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: So because I had so much Figher experience, you know, 324 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 1: staying in hotels, I knew that you can't go there. 325 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,880 Speaker 1: There's always security cameras, even if it's the cheapness of 326 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: the cheap, you know, a Super eight or a wet 327 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: roof in even they have security surveilance. It was horrible 328 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: sleeping in the car, especially the SUPERU. Any other vehicle 329 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: would have been better than that fucking Subaru. It was 330 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: very cramped. I always had my feet in either Dylan's 331 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: face or Ryan's face, and thank god we're all thin. 332 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,720 Speaker 1: Even with us three, it was extremely cramped, and I 333 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: was complaining the whole time, you know, just bitching my back, 334 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: my back, my shoulders, my neck. I would wake up 335 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: with cricks in my neck. You know, I'm sleeping in 336 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 1: the driver's seat. My brother's either sleeping in the passenger 337 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: seat or my sister is that somebody's like laid out 338 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: on the back seat. You know, it's not comfortable. It's 339 00:16:49,000 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 1: uncomfortable as fuck. You're not sleeping. Well, I'm confidantly thinking, 340 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, man, I'm gonna wake up and it's just 341 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: gonna be accomplished. Me in the face. Everything is stretching out, 342 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: stretch it out. You just have to, you know, get 343 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: over yourself. So when you wake up, you feel you 344 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 1: feel like you're you're ninety years old. You're hunched over, 345 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: but sleeping on the ground and was not comfortable. It 346 00:17:08,600 --> 00:17:12,040 Speaker 1: was either freezing cold or extremely hot and humid. You know, 347 00:17:12,080 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: you're up there in the mountains you're freezing, and then 348 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:20,200 Speaker 1: you're down in the valley you're burning up. As Ryan 349 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: faced down the worst case scenario, Lee Grace had more 350 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 1: practical concerns. I do remember one point I start my 351 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 1: period and I look at Dylan and I said, you 352 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,679 Speaker 1: need to pull the funk over. I need tampons and 353 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 1: I need to leave. So I go in. They don't 354 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: have a leave. I'm just sitting here. I'm having cramps. 355 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm just being bitchy to Dylan right for no reason, 356 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: and you know he would look at me. You gotta 357 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: pull over again, Okay, come on, He's just funny. You know. 358 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: Every time I had to go to the bathroom, he 359 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: gotta get out of the car, stretch his legs. Okay, 360 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: go to bathroom. We're not looking, and he just makes 361 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: fun of me. You know, if I have to pee, 362 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,119 Speaker 1: he's okay, go over here to this ditch where nobody 363 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: can see you. And I'm asking him, can anybody see me? 364 00:17:58,119 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: He's like, no, just fucking pee and hurry up. And 365 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: you know, he thinks I take forever and I'm just 366 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: so slow. And you know, a couple of times in 367 00:18:05,560 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: the dark, he would just funk with me so much. 368 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,440 Speaker 1: I was I'm not scared of bears. I'm not scared 369 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: of truckers. But he would just start winding me up, 370 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:14,879 Speaker 1: saying that I was gonna get bit by bear. And 371 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,400 Speaker 1: he's very protective, and you know, whenever a stranger would 372 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: come up to us, Dylan would make sure he would 373 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: maneuver himself in front of me. So you know, the 374 00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: guy had to get through Dylan. And he's just funny. 375 00:18:25,440 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: The way he interacts with people is pretty humorous and 376 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,920 Speaker 1: they never leave without us a big smile on their face, 377 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: and he just he knows how to make people laugh 378 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: and just you know, feel at ease. But we did 379 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: have some interactions with people and they were just nights, 380 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 1: normal friendly. You know, nobody said anything really, I mean, 381 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: they just acted real friendly toward us. The docrit ziggen 382 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 1: zads through dozens of states, doubling back at times to 383 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 1: confuse police. Here's executive producers Joseph Morgan and Sean McEwen. 384 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: Several authorities were probably scratching their heads, you know, because 385 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,280 Speaker 1: once I get through a local jurisdiction, it's handed off 386 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: to the next one or to the next state. What 387 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 1: Feds They're looking for them everywhere, and it didn't it 388 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,679 Speaker 1: interesting and correct me if I'm wrong. When they finally 389 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:10,919 Speaker 1: were caught, they were actually called on Federal Highwood. You 390 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: know that's let's countryside and half. But you know, as 391 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 1: long as they set to these two lane pick trails, 392 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: if you will, they were safe. There's a familiar aspect 393 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: to it, the things and they're safety and comforting. There's 394 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: something interesting about this too. They went old school. Their 395 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: granddaddy taught them to. It's like you need a good 396 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: road atlet But they went to Walmart. They threw their 397 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: cell phones out the window, no credit card, nothing that 398 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: could trace them, and they got a road athlete. And 399 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: that's when they would again those blacktop highways through the 400 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: dupe the South, and you know that kept them off 401 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 1: of everybody's right on. I mean, you're see something would 402 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 1: be sleeping in the back see you know Corola for 403 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: shotgun commentating, but you know, in the back seat this 404 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: call it's from the federal prison. A lot of times 405 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: it would be there's a guy and a girl, you 406 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Or there's two dudes right in 407 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: the car. I think we had at one point about 408 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: seven or eight license play We procure those in Texas, 409 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: I think Obama and then North Obama. Um, it's what Mississippi, 410 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:13,120 Speaker 1: my fucking fuck. Hopefully you don't put that part in there. 411 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: And I believe a few in Oklahoma, but definitely we 412 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: had a whole stack of them and we just had 413 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:20,920 Speaker 1: it covered in the back of the car, in the 414 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: trunk with some small quilt. Former neighbors Vanna John Clanton 415 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,080 Speaker 1: knew the Doperties from a young age. When we would 416 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,359 Speaker 1: speak to the media, We're just like, turn yourself in 417 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: and stop this. It's only gonna get worse, you know, 418 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 1: because we didn't want to see them get killed. You know, 419 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 1: I knew how that would affect their families, and who 420 00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 1: wants to see anyone get killed? So that was one 421 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: reason I felt like I should say stuff because I 422 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 1: guess I said something like that and the lady on 423 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: Fox News. What's her name? John? Yeah, she was like, 424 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: I don't that she said something because of sarcastically back 425 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: to me, and I understand. I'm all for a while 426 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: enforce and I'm not for somebody shooting at cops or 427 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: anybody else. But I also tried to put a human 428 00:21:03,080 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: face and just be like, these are young people that 429 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 1: got caught up in whatever, and it's just accelerated and 430 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: snowballed and now they're in deep, you know, them being 431 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: young people on the run and getting away with it. 432 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 1: Usually you don't hear of people getting away from the 433 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,920 Speaker 1: police locally and then robbing a bank after that, you'd 434 00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:25,959 Speaker 1: think they'd be fearful. People were trying to figure out 435 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:30,160 Speaker 1: what is motivating these young people and intrigue the people 436 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: to want to say, wow, what they rubbed a bank? 437 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: Oh it's the same people that shout at the top 438 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: in Florida. And it started building on that and where 439 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: are they now? You know, what are they going to 440 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: do next? When we were driving up seventy five, they 441 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: had billboards but there are three pictures on it and 442 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: we're just like, oh my god, what is the chance 443 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: of something like this here again? Sean McEwen. I'm not 444 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: trying to romanticize this, but this all came through the 445 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: sieve of watching movies. It's like banks, well, banks are 446 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: ensured it's the government's money. In a way, we're not 447 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: taking from people, you know, it's the system that did 448 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 1: us wrong. That was their perception, misperception. So we'll go 449 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 1: in and we'll take from the banks because hey, that's fair, 450 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: and then we'll use that money to finance ourselves and 451 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 1: get It's kind of like take from the rich, give 452 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: to the poor kind of thing. Let's stop here for 453 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: another quick break. We'll be back in a moment. Here's 454 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: Ryan talking about what it felt like inside the surrounding 455 00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: media bubble from day one, public sentiment, we'll come most 456 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: on our side. You can feel that, and whenever you 457 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,919 Speaker 1: would hear something about it, you can tell infantely when 458 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: people being like Villa and I immediately, and then you 459 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: can also hear with people holding the court and the 460 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: justice of fucking public opinion, you know, and it didn't 461 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: seem like they hated us. And you know, there's a 462 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: difference between when you're looking for people that you hate 463 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: versus people that you don't. So I don't want to 464 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 1: make you hate me by doing something that when you 465 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: robber bank, it's kind of impersonal, right, I'm I'm robbing 466 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: an entity. I'm not robbing you. The dopertees hadn't fully 467 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: considered their actions or the consequences, and when they did, 468 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: they were scared. We're tuving, we're just going back roads. 469 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: We're ending up in cemeteries. We're meeting people that are tourists. 470 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: They're asking us for directions, we're asking member directions. You know, 471 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: we were in and out Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, Louisiana. A 472 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 1: lot of nice people in Louisiana. I really like that state. 473 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: Um and then finally Oklahama, and I think once week 474 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: is Oklahoma. There's this realization we have to go into 475 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 1: Texas or California to cross and those are very highly 476 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: police state. There's a high population in southern California that 477 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: needs more. So were I to want people that could 478 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: potentially call the police on us with the low amount 479 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: of cash, It's not like you can buy your freedom 480 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: with a couple of brands. Here's Beth Greenwald speaking to 481 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,959 Speaker 1: Sheriff Naco. Were their sightings were people calling in at 482 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: this point? Uh, you know, we've seen we think we've 483 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: seen them. After the incident in Pasco, we were getting 484 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,120 Speaker 1: calls locally, people saying, I think I thought them when 485 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: they were into Georgia and then they start crossing. Yes, 486 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: when you guys were kept swerving, I mean you didn't 487 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,360 Speaker 1: really ever get too close to the border, did you. Yeah, 488 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: there was a couple point where we were very close. 489 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: We were several times in Texas were quite close while 490 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,800 Speaker 1: we could across. But I think what was the major 491 00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: blocked I think was we were not sure how well 492 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: the border was going to be protected. So I think 493 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,960 Speaker 1: a big fear of ours was actually getting to the 494 00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: border and getting into a shootout with a non American 495 00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,680 Speaker 1: police force. You know, we didn't know how things went 496 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: down in Mexico. Maybe one of us would get shot, 497 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: maybe there'd be a miscommunication, Maybe we can go to 498 00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: jail in Mexico. Was there ever thought that maybe one 499 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: of you go over the border and tested out. Dylan 500 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: wanted me to go first, got way if there was 501 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 1: a problem, that I could signal to them, hey I 502 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 1: need help. You know, I was going to do a signal. 503 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: They could come up behind me. So what it looked 504 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: like all three of us were together, so I guess yeah, 505 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:13,679 Speaker 1: we would have split up at the border, but always 506 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,159 Speaker 1: stay within a fight. Here again, a sheriff not go. 507 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,080 Speaker 1: If the three had separated, it would have been extremely 508 00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 1: difficult trying to find I mean, at that point, the 509 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: best bet would have been one of them getting into 510 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: a stone vehicle, sticking up the stone vehicle and making 511 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 1: the arrest, or them getting pulled over for speeding and 512 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 1: finding out the day of warrants out of Florida. Those 513 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: are the type of things that when they separate, it 514 00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 1: becomes much more difficult because the tips people just see 515 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,199 Speaker 1: one young lady walking down the street. They don't think 516 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: anything of it. They say, one guy walking outre anything 517 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,560 Speaker 1: ending up it. But to see two males and a 518 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: female walking together at that point, I kind of think 519 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: everybody who had been watching the story thought, Hey, we're 520 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: gonna have to call this in. That could be the 521 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: Dougherty trio. That kind of matches their descript We were using. 522 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,280 Speaker 1: Colorado kind of has a stopping point in a hideout 523 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: because we felt like Colorado had the least amount of 524 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: police and the least amount of people that were looking 525 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: for the people in Colorado aren't as nosy maybe as 526 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: other states. In the mountains of Colorado, we had no 527 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: interaction with other people. It was just mountains, It was 528 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:29,360 Speaker 1: just foods. So we figured that would be a favorite 529 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: spot with less public interaction in order to hide out. 530 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: But eyes were everywhere. You have to pre payper gass, 531 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: like you either have to swipe your credit card or 532 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 1: you gotta go inside today with cash before you pumped 533 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 1: your gas, right, But you remember fucking years and years 534 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: ago where you could just like wave at the attendant 535 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: and they would cut your pump on and you could 536 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: pump your gas. Right. So what happened was is that 537 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,200 Speaker 1: I ended up sucking pumping the gas while I ran 538 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: over the amount that I fucking gained the lady by 539 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: like two or three dollars. So I go back in 540 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: the store to be honest and paydrecs or two or 541 00:26:59,880 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: three dollars. When I look at her and she's had 542 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: this fucking look in her eye and they gave her 543 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: the extra couple of dollars that I was wrong to 544 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: be honest and pay for the ship. And I noticed 545 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: that she's got the twenty dollar bill outside of the 546 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,080 Speaker 1: register into the side of it, like you should have 547 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,120 Speaker 1: already had that ship in the register. So I'm like, funk, 548 00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: this did calling the cops on us as soon as 549 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: we leave, or she's already done it. I just wanted 550 00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: to find a tent without happening to offer her my 551 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: firstborn child in collaterally are exactly I should have went 552 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,120 Speaker 1: to sports and doory. What's the fun? Was I thinking? 553 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,760 Speaker 1: I see this guy like, give me the fucking Harry 554 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: eyeball in the parking lot of the r I, and 555 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: he like picks up a cell phone and starts styling 556 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: and then starts talking. And I saw my brother when 557 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 1: we go out, like, hey, that dude just made us. 558 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 1: He just called the cops on us. They think they 559 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: might have seen a car mentioning the description of the 560 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,840 Speaker 1: fugitives at a campground in Colorado City. They're going to 561 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: check it out, and uh so I wasn't thinking too 562 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: much of it until I started hearing, oh crap, they 563 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: took off. Now there's a pursuit to unmarked crown bit 564 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: cop car. Like I spotted it, And I told my 565 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: brothers and sisters some mind great, this fucking copious and 566 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,439 Speaker 1: he knows who we are, Like we're fucked I remember 567 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 1: I just talked, you know, this was the end, and 568 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: there were so many cop cars behind us, possibly from 569 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: the US nine, and like every eggit ry and we 570 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: went by there was playing two or three more cop 571 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: cars and it was kind of a scene from Smoking 572 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: Demand and I'm like, man, this is in folks, there's 573 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: sure it's all gonna end. 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