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Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. Let's go.

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Speaker 2: Let's go Giants, Dont Giants, gim me some job.

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Speaker 1: Part of the Giants Podcast Network, Let's roll.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giants Little Podcast,

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Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the

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Speaker 3: New York Football Giants. Well over the last couple of weeks, folks,

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Speaker 3: we've had a lot of fun interviews. We've interviewed former

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Speaker 3: NFL general managers like Thomas to Meet You from Randy Mueller.

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Speaker 3: We've talked to former Hall of Fame players like Kurt Warner.

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Speaker 3: We've talked to media scouts. But some days you just

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Speaker 3: want to get crusty. So I went out there and

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Speaker 3: I found that the oldest, crustiest scout that makes crusty

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Speaker 3: the crown Clown look fresh, and he is. Brian brought

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Speaker 3: his former NFL scout now host down in Dallas on radio,

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Speaker 3: and of course he's also part of the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 3: Draft show. Brian, We've done this a bunch of years

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Speaker 3: in a row. I really appreciate it. Are you like,

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Speaker 3: is this inside scouting? You still kind of getting the

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Speaker 3: tingles now that we're about a week away from the draft.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, and thank you so much again for having me.

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Speaker 2: I feel always privileged and honored to be with you.

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Speaker 2: I have the utmost respect not only for the Giants organization,

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Speaker 2: but for you and the job that you do. So

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Speaker 2: to be on your platform it does mean a lot

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Speaker 2: to me. You don't take these for granted very often.

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Speaker 2: And I'm being really, really nice to you right now

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Speaker 2: because I do love being on with you. Did the

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Speaker 2: interactions that you and I have had over the years,

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Speaker 2: It's educated me. As we always talk about the draft show,

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Speaker 2: investigate and educate well, I think you do a great

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Speaker 2: job of educating your fans. So to be on with

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Speaker 2: you is a great privilege. Yeah. This when people ask

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Speaker 2: me what I miss most about the NFL, this is it.

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Speaker 2: This time of year, the putting together, the board, stacking

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Speaker 2: the board, the discussions, the information, the trading, the learning

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Speaker 2: about players. You know, if you and I were sitting

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Speaker 2: in a war room together and you were scouting the

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Speaker 2: Northeast and I was down in the Southeast, and your

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Speaker 2: percent players and I'm like, man, John truly got it

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Speaker 2: together on these Penn State kids. Now he's selling me

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Speaker 2: on these guys, man, they're better than my kids down

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Speaker 2: at LSU. They're better than my kids at Old Miss.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is where you learn. This is where

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Speaker 2: scouts in the building learn about the what's going on

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Speaker 2: in the area. You get so focused on your part

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Speaker 2: of the country and your region, and and this is

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Speaker 2: where you present. This is where you present for potentially

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Speaker 2: ownership like here in Dallas. You know, ownership being the

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Speaker 2: general manager. This is where you present to the head

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Speaker 2: coach who doesn't get out very much. This is where

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Speaker 2: you present to your other scouting buddies. And so this

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Speaker 2: is important. It's an important time of the year and

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Speaker 2: it's it's one of those things where this is the

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Speaker 2: best opportunity we're given every year to build your team.

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Speaker 2: And I'm really happy that a lot of these the scouts,

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Speaker 2: but the media scouts find it's very very important to

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Speaker 2: do a quality job of it.

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Speaker 3: You find Brian on the Gbag Nation two to seven pm,

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Speaker 3: Money through Friday on one O five through the Fan

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Speaker 3: of course, I mentioned the Draft Show podcast, also the

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Speaker 3: Love of the Star podcast.

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Speaker 1: Make sure you go check that out. And Brian, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're gonna do here today.

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Speaker 3: You know, we've gone through you know, interviews with the

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Speaker 3: go through some of these positions and see how we

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Speaker 3: something you've talked about in some of your programming this

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Speaker 3: Quest Diagnostia Training Center where the GM is in there

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Speaker 1: How do you have to.

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Speaker 3: Massage what you say to make sure the group can

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Speaker 2: Yeah, John, it's it's as I mentioned, it's such an

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Speaker 2: There's some scouts that go in with the attitude of

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Speaker 2: have to put your ego aside. You have to be

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Speaker 2: able to know what battles to fight, when to back

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Speaker 2: I always held certain scouts And I'll give you example,

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Speaker 2: coaches will come in and say things that the scouts don't.

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Speaker 2: But there's there's discussions in these rooms. It's not always

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Speaker 2: you've got to keep you know, take the ego out

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Speaker 3: And I'm gonna leave the quarterbacks for last, just because

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Speaker 3: I know we're gonna have a fun I know we're

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Speaker 3: a position that I think has been forgotten a little

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Speaker 3: focusing on the Cowboys down there, they don't really have

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Speaker 3: there with it with any confidence to start. The Giants,

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Speaker 3: not Devin Singletary, but obviously the lost Sakuon Barkley and

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Speaker 3: Brian I'm sitting here, I'm staring at seven third round tags.

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Speaker 1: On my board.

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Speaker 3: I don't have anyone with a with a second round

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Speaker 3: I like Marshall Lloyd from USC just because I think

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Speaker 1: I think his vision could use a little bit of work.

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Speaker 3: And then my other three guys in that round. I

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Speaker 3: love will ship Ley out of Clemson. I think he's quick,

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Speaker 3: he's a really good receiver. I think he finds the

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Speaker 1: Big guy.

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Speaker 3: I think, more elusive than people think, and he's certainly

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Speaker 1: And then I like Blake Korum.

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Speaker 1: And I like short running backs.

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Speaker 1: So those are my third round guy.

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Speaker 3: Then I have a bunch of guys with with fourth

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Speaker 3: be totally honest with you, but those are my seven

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got actually a couple of second round backs

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Speaker 2: He mentioned him. He's five nineties, two hundred and twenty pounds.

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Speaker 2: The burst, the acceleration, he can get to the whole

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Speaker 2: Maybe I've seen it a little bit because of Ezekiel

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Speaker 3: That's also a Shipley thing too, by the way, it.

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Speaker 2: He can make people miss, but he's played a ton

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I And I wasn't high in this player last

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Speaker 1: I wasn't a big Devon E Chang guy last year.

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Speaker 3: I just didn't see like the complete back to me.

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Speaker 2: Right? You know the thing that I liked about, right

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Speaker 2: I've seen him run where he puts his head down

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Speaker 2: the power to gain yards when there's none. Seeing him

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Speaker 2: catch in the ball. I think that's so important, John,

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Speaker 2: you understand that, you understand how this league is. As

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Speaker 2: The thing that I really liked about right is I

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Speaker 2: he's going to take guys on square, he's going to

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Speaker 2: complete traits and games. I kind of like Jalen Right

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Speaker 3: So what to get your take on two of the

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Speaker 3: I'm a big Isaiah out of South Dakota State. Yeah

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Speaker 1: It's funny.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I've ever seen a running back

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Speaker 3: The guy's at Tasmanian devil. He runs, he's spinning, his

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Speaker 1: You could tell he's.

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Speaker 3: Just learning how to play running back. But you look

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Speaker 1: But my god, this guy, he it looks like you.

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Speaker 3: I just got the kid at the playground that's never

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Speaker 3: You put him on your team and just give him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, five eleven and two hundred and nine pounds. I

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Speaker 2: short shuttle at four to one eight. It's it's funny

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Speaker 2: that sometimes he doesn't play this way, but he does

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Speaker 2: various ways. You know. The strength in his game might

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Speaker 2: he can make plays down the field. He's got some

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Speaker 2: The toughness to finish the concern is, like I said,

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Speaker 2: figure out ways to use him. Right, five eleven, two

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Speaker 2: oh nine. This guy has traits that you would like

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Speaker 3: to wide receiver. Reinald'll spend a ton of time on

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Speaker 3: I don't see that, you know. Besides, they can test

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Speaker 3: I think in some of the man on man coverage

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Speaker 3: But that's kind of have all those three guys stacked up,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a doonesay is man. I think he nailed it perfect.

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Speaker 2: little bit of a long strider. He can cover some

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Speaker 2: they have this kid and I've seen them all. This

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Speaker 2: like that. This kid is as good as those guys are.

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Speaker 2: He is that good. And I mean he generates a

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Speaker 2: Excuse me. He gets full speed in the blink of

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Speaker 2: a running back with the ball in his hands in

435
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Speaker 2: the open field, run after catch. He's a game breaker.

436
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: He's physical, he gets north and south in a hurry.

437
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,320
Speaker 2: There's so much to like about it. The thing about

438
00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:12,520
Speaker 2: LSU is you're playing them. Opponents know he's going to

439
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 2: get the ball, and he still has the skill to

440
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Speaker 2: come up with it. That's what you have to really

441
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:17,840
Speaker 2: like about this kid.

442
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Speaker 1: He's got that thick lower body too, where you can break.

443
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Speaker 2: Yeah. He six foot, he's two hundred pounds and he

444
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Speaker 2: like I say, I watched him his whole career, and

445
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Speaker 2: I love the kid. I love the fact he played

446
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Speaker 2: at my alma mater and he and he, as I mentioned,

447
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Speaker 2: I've seen all the great ones come through. This kid

448
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Speaker 2: will be the next one. He will be the next one.

449
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Speaker 2: I think he's going to be a great pro. I

450
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Speaker 2: really do you love turf?

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458
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Speaker 3: group of wide receivers. I got two guys sitting here

459
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Speaker 3: in my next tier, and I've gone back and forth

460
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Speaker 3: between Ady Mitchell and Brian Thomas Junior, and I feel

461
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Speaker 3: like you have some pretty good insight on these two guys.

462
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: I like Mitchell better on tape, but I don't like

463
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Speaker 3: the fact that he shows up at the combine and

464
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 3: basically says publicly, yeah, when I knew I wasn't getting

465
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Speaker 3: the boy, I wasn't gonna run hard.

466
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Speaker 1: Don't love that, And I wonder if.

467
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: That reflects on other parts of his game that might

468
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,360
Speaker 3: show up that haven't shown up yet until he gets

469
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Speaker 3: into the National Football League. What have you heard about

470
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 3: Mitchell from Texas and some of that stuff? And Brian

471
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Speaker 3: Thomas Junior. I think he's still very raw, but boy,

472
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Speaker 3: some of those physical traits A guy is size, even

473
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Speaker 3: has some.

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Speaker 1: Wiggle to him. Your thoughts on those two.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. My son is a sophomore

476
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Speaker 2: at the University of Texas, and so he knows quite

477
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: a bit of these kids. As matter of fact, he's

478
00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: befriended him and Arch Manning are really good friends. And

479
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,399
Speaker 2: so Bennett likes to talk in football. And I asked

480
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 2: my as been all the time, like, man, what about

481
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: these kids? What about this Texas kid? You know, there's

482
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 2: plenty of them, you know, to and Bennett kind of

483
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,240
Speaker 2: puts his money where his mouth is my son. He

484
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 2: traveled to Alabama, the Tuscaloosa to watch him play, so

485
00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:20,959
Speaker 2: he'll go around and watch these guys play, and and

486
00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:22,960
Speaker 2: but he gives me a good scouting reports on him.

487
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: The thing with Mitchell is he would not believe that

488
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 2: he weighs two hundred five pounds, but he does. He's

489
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Speaker 2: so thinly built, but he's he does weigh that. And

490
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: you know, he's generally a strong handed player. You watch

491
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 2: the Alabama game, Arnold, the very talented corner knocked the

492
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Speaker 2: ball out of his hands. Probably that was the only

493
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Speaker 2: time he ever saw him not just you know, just

494
00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:48,280
Speaker 2: hang onto a ball that way. He'll catch his share

495
00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:50,840
Speaker 2: of high point passes. He runs a lot of vertical routes.

496
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 2: He runs a lot of crossing routes. He tracks the ball,

497
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 2: he could find it. When he finds it, he extends it.

498
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: You know, he had a huge touchdown I mentioned the

499
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:03,360
Speaker 2: Alabama game, like a justing over his shoulder. The initial quickness.

500
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Speaker 2: I don't really know about the top end speed for

501
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 2: as many of the vertical routes as he executes. But

502
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: he is a fluid mover. He can create separation. He's

503
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: a long arm player. With a soft hands, reliable catch rangers.

504
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 2: We've talked about all that. I like to stop the

505
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:22,480
Speaker 2: start stop quickness into his game. How he gets up

506
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 2: the field. I mean, there's there's times where you know

507
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:30,040
Speaker 2: he is just he's just making play after play after play,

508
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,680
Speaker 2: and so you know, maybe you know, he transferred from

509
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Speaker 2: George and he kind of reminded me a little bit

510
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 2: when George Pickens came out of Georgia in twenty twenty

511
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: two that you saw these incredible plays and the ability

512
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 2: to go down the field and make plays like that.

513
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: I know Pickens makes plays for the Steelers quite a bit,

514
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 2: and this kid's got that same same kind of ability

515
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,600
Speaker 2: when you look at when you look at Thomas and again,

516
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Speaker 2: here's you know, I'll try to not put my my

517
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Speaker 2: LSU alumni hat on here, but you mentioned it's six three,

518
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Speaker 2: two oh nine. This guy's a fluid moving guy for

519
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 2: a guy that did with with each stride he takes,

520
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:10,399
Speaker 2: he creates separation. He's very savvy and reliable pass catcher.

521
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:12,600
Speaker 2: He does a fine job of tracking the ball down

522
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Speaker 2: the field. There were plenty of times where the ball

523
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 2: was thrown and he had to make an adjusting catch.

524
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Speaker 2: You know he plays in tight spaces that you know

525
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: in the games where you see him. They throw the

526
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 2: ball in the corner six three two o nine, he

527
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,880
Speaker 2: goes up, he gets it hands hands, gets the ball

528
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 2: feet down, concentration to make those acrobatic plays. He could

529
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: track it from either shoulder. I mean they throw the

530
00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: ball inside, he's tracking it outside, he's tracking it. There's

531
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Speaker 2: an element of toughness to his game, and I think

532
00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 2: where he'll need a little bit of work is if

533
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:49,119
Speaker 2: people get up on him and press they and they'll

534
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: try and knock him around a little bit. That's where

535
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 2: he has to kind of figure some things out. But

536
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 2: when he sees that ball, he is going to get it.

537
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 2: So I could see why people have him as high

538
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 2: as they do. Lsu had two of the best receivers

539
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Speaker 2: in the country. I think this kid led the nation

540
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: in touchdowns. So that tells you a lot about his

541
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: kind of ability to finish plays.

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Speaker 3: And now I think the next group is really the

543
00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,400
Speaker 3: fun one, right and I have I think, only looking

544
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 3: at my numbers right here, I have twelve guys. If

545
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 3: you had a third fourth thing.

546
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Speaker 2: To still Bill, yeah, still Bill Parcell's line. You got

547
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: him stacked in there like club sandwiches.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I do.

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Speaker 3: Second and third round is just stuffed with wide receivers

550
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Speaker 3: and they're all and they're all good players, Brian.

551
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Speaker 1: I mean, I gotta be honest with you, they are

552
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Speaker 1: good players. My next four.

553
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 3: Guys, like, depending on the day you talk to me,

554
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: right is where I have him. Right right now, I

555
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 3: have him a Conkie, Tony Franklin, pierceol Xavier Worthy. But

556
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 3: you talk to me in two days, I might have

557
00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: a couple of those guys flipped either way and then

558
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 3: not behind too far behind them or Keon Coleman, devontees Walker.

559
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,439
Speaker 3: So I got these guys just really stacked up against

560
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 3: each other. And these are guys going to be good,

561
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Speaker 3: I think, better than average daughters on day one walk

562
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Speaker 3: into the league.

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Speaker 2: No, I think if I could focus on a couple

564
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: of them, go ahead. Conki Mconkee from Georgia is one

565
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: of my favorite players. He's at six foot, he's one

566
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty six pounds. I mean, he's got a

567
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: slippery side to his game. He's one of the best

568
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: route runners I studied in this draft. He has deceptive speed,

569
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: he's got a burst. You don't think he's going anywhere

570
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,400
Speaker 2: and with the ball. The next thing you know, he's

571
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 2: off to the races. This short area quickness is really good.

572
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: He creates opportunities at all levels of the defense. He

573
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 2: is a precise route runner. He's got a feel for

574
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 2: how to set up defenders. The quickness off the line,

575
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: the ability to escape. He catches the ball with ease.

576
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: If it's anywhere near him, he's going to make a play.

577
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: That's the type of player he is. And I wouldn't

578
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: bet against this guy having a great career in the

579
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 2: in the NFL. Now.

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Speaker 1: The only thing is health, right because he has an injuries.

581
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: That's the only thing that health.

582
00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, the health, and that's something that we're gonna have

583
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 2: to like, we're going to have to check on. They

584
00:27:56,320 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 2: had situation you mentioned Ricky Piersoll from Florida. This guy

585
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,200
Speaker 2: is a transfer from Arizona State. He has gotten better

586
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,919
Speaker 2: each year he's played college football. I went back. I

587
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 2: was curious. I wanted to see what kind of player

588
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: he was at Arizona State. And he did some really

589
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 2: some quality thing. I mean, he finds ways to get open.

590
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:18,959
Speaker 2: He's got quickness, he's got speed, he can make sharp cuts,

591
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: he can get the defender off balance. He's not afraid

592
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: to take his routes anywhere on the field, plays well

593
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 2: in the move. The hands are excellent. He's got the

594
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 2: ability to make circus catches. Few receivers have the skill

595
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 2: set that he does. Catching the football. I was constantly well.

596
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's Mertz, a transfer from Wisconsin.

597
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,560
Speaker 2: That was his quarterback at Florida, and the ball wasn't

598
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 2: always where it needed to be, but he was constantly

599
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 2: adjusting for passes and making plays. He takes big hits,

600
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 2: he gets up. He's super reliable in critical moments. I

601
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: see this guy is a really high high IQ player,

602
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 2: and so he knows how to find the spaces and

603
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: that toughness about his game. You could use this guy

604
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 2: in the slot. He's gonna he's gonna kill people there.

605
00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: You can use him as a kick returner. He's gonna

606
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: help you there. But you could also play him on

607
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: the outside. He's, just, like I say, a high IQ

608
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 2: player that knows how to play the game at a

609
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: high level.

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Speaker 1: It was funny.

611
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 3: I'm watching I believe it was Ronaldo Green, or maybe

612
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: it was different, and I'm watching the corner and I'm like, well,

613
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: this guy is awesome.

614
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 1: He's having a great year. I'm going through it.

615
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: And then Ricky Piersoll shows up like as like the

616
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 3: next to last tape on on the schedule, and it's like,

617
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: oh yeah, oh and wow, I mean Piersoll just was

618
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: the craft of playing of wide receivers just absolutely yeah.

619
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Speaker 2: And I and I know why you have all those

620
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 2: guys stacked in there because and this John. This is

621
00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: what I want to ask you, if I can ask

622
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 2: a question please, when you look at these receivers, do

623
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: you feel like that maybe teams will say I don't

624
00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 2: want to take a receiver in the second because I

625
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: might get the same Do you feel like that maybe

626
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: the position stretches so much then you'll see somebody like, Okay,

627
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna nab somebody here. I could go back to

628
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 2: the receiver and maybe get a guy like a pier

629
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 2: Saw or Pulp from Washington or somebody like that that

630
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: that you maybe could have gotten the second round.

631
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Speaker 3: Now, I think there's a little bit of a gap

632
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: going from this group that we just talked about to

633
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 3: the Jalen mcmillans, the Mount Kai Corley's, the Jalen Pokes.

634
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 3: I don't have Xavier le Get until the third round. Myself, sure,

635
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 3: I think he's just really raw as a rat runner.

636
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 3: I don't see that, you know, I don't see the

637
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 3: same A lot of people talk about his yards after

638
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: catch stuff, as though he seboll Samuel. I just don't

639
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 3: see that on tape enough. For me, I see a

640
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 3: guy that's a six foot one contested catch guy, and

641
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 3: that does not get me that excited. But he has

642
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 3: the body for it, right, So I think there's a

643
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 3: little bit of a drop.

644
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Speaker 1: Off for me.

645
00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,400
Speaker 3: But if you're a team where you know, if you

646
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Speaker 3: draft a guy end up being a number three instead

647
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 3: of a number two when you're trying to fill out

648
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 3: your room, and you're good with that, I would understand

649
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: the idea of waiting. But if you're looking for a

650
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: legit what I think could be really good number two

651
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: wide receiver, I would try to get one of these

652
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 3: guys in the second before you get to that next

653
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 3: group in the third.

654
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,120
Speaker 2: I just, yeah, there's a couple of positions I feel

655
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: like that stretch pretty good. The receiver, maybe the corner,

656
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,959
Speaker 2: maybe the edges. They seem to stretch a little bit more.

657
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 2: I wonder if people are gonna say, hmm, these guys

658
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 2: are kind of packed in there pretty good. We could

659
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 2: maybe wait, let's go get one of these, like, let's

660
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,040
Speaker 2: go get a defensive tackle. Now, there's not a lot

661
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: of those guys. We come back and address this wide

662
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 2: receiver room if we have to.

663
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 3: Who's the day three wide receiver that you think you

664
00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 3: like more than everybody else? I like League Washington out

665
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 3: of Virginia. I think he's going to be a good pro.

666
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. The guy that I really like is

667
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 2: McCaffrey from Rice, and too he is. He's one of

668
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 2: those guys. I think he's learning the position and that

669
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: you know, of course, the bloodlines are there for for

670
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 2: what he you know, for his dad was a really

671
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: nice player. Mom was a really good soccer player. Brother.

672
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 2: Of course, we all know what. We all know what

673
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: the brother situation is there. But I think he's learning

674
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: the position. He was a quarterback at Nebraska. They made

675
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: him a receiver. He's played receiver at Rice. The concentration,

676
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: the ball track and skills, he'll make some of the

677
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 2: most unreal receptions you'll ever see. I think he does

678
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: a really good job of putting himself in position to

679
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: receive the ball. He can adjust to the off target throw.

680
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 2: If it's in his area, he's likely to come down

681
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: with it. The savvy, natural kind of receiver of the ball.

682
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: So I think if you if you said, hey, give

683
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: me a guy in the in that day three that

684
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 2: kind of puts puts it together for me, I would

685
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: say that that he would be a guy that that

686
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: I would look at. I'll give you another one two

687
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 2: that I really like. I don't know if you've seen

688
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: bub Means from he.

689
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 1: Is next on my list. I was hoping you will

690
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: bring up bub.

691
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: Well, let me, let me, let me, let me, let

692
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 2: you talk about bub Means and I'll just agree with

693
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: everything you say.

694
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 3: How about no, No, I have he is literally in

695
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: the next receiver I have to watch. I've not gone

696
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: to him yet, so please tell me all about him.

697
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: Okay, well, this is this is this is one of

698
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 2: those guys. He's had an interesting college career because he

699
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: was a defensive back at Tennessee. Then he transferred to

700
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: Louisiana Tech to become a receiver. Then he went on

701
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh and so. But he's an impressive player. He's

702
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,479
Speaker 2: sixties two hundred and twelve pounds. When you when you

703
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 2: start to like watch tape of those ACC games, he

704
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: makes a ton of contested catches. Uh, you know, it

705
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: was like it was crazy the number of catches he mac.

706
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 2: I think he had eleven of them in the just

707
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 2: alone in the twenty twenty three season. I think that

708
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,840
Speaker 2: was the second most in the ACC. Five of his

709
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 2: receiving touchdowns were twenty plus yards. He's got a knack

710
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 2: for going and getting the football. He'll make receptions where

711
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: he's at full extension and somehow he's able to bring

712
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 2: the ball down. He'll make those circus catches I've talked

713
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: about with some of the others. The routes will go inside,

714
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 2: they'll go up the field. He works the middle of

715
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: the field. Well, the ball's going to his direction, he's

716
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna catch it. He's got upper body strength. He lowers

717
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 2: his pads to run through defenders. He can make people

718
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 2: miss in the open field. He will need a little

719
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: work as a route runner, but he just has a

720
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 2: natural feel for the way he plays a game. I

721
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,279
Speaker 2: feel like that his best football is ahead of him.

722
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 2: I just do you know. I know he's he's kind

723
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 2: of trying to learn, but he's been at a couple

724
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: of different stops. But at six ' one, two hundred

725
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: and twelve pounds, someone's gonna get a really good football

726
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: player here that can do a lot of things for you.

727
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 3: All right, Well, let's him the tight ends rather than

728
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 3: going through this whole list here, Brian, Yeah, I only

729
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 3: have what i've Brad Bauers obviously as kind of your

730
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,399
Speaker 3: blue chip top ten, top twelve type pick, and then

731
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: I only have two other tight ends with Day two

732
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 3: picks on my board here, and I'll just put out

733
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: one guy that I think I like better than most people, Bensonatt.

734
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: When I watched him on tape.

735
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 3: For a guy the way he's shaped, I thought his

736
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: ability to really snap off routes at the top of

737
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 3: the route, she was actually pretty good. For a guy

738
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 3: that I kind of see almost as like a you know,

739
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: KYLEO Yustchik type of player, I think, you know, when

740
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: he gets to the next level, you can run out

741
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 3: of the backfield. He split out wide, he was on

742
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 3: the line. He's not the biggest guy, but he's a

743
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: willing blocker. I would be very happy drafting Sonata on

744
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 3: Day two, knowing all the different ways you could use him.

745
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 3: Talk about him if you want to if there's another

746
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: tight end that you think you like more than most.

747
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 2: No, I mean I think you got Benson. I think

748
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: you got him right, sixes, two hundred and fifty pounds.

749
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 2: You line him up. You mentioned Kyle Yuschik. What does

750
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 2: Kyle Uschek do? He lines up all over the formation.

751
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,360
Speaker 2: Guy moves really well for size. He does have some

752
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 2: foot quickness to his game. I think he's got really

753
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 2: good hands. He only had two drops for the season

754
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 2: if you look at the metrics on him as as

755
00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: a player. But the thing about him is he is

756
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: a He is a good locker. I mean he is

757
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: a really good blocker, and so the you know, the

758
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,360
Speaker 2: thing that he plays, the out routes that he runs,

759
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 2: the speed outs, those were like two of his biggest

760
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 2: players wh they needed their first down. They throw him

761
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,279
Speaker 2: the ball in that speed out the out. You know,

762
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: I think that to me when you the athletic ability,

763
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: he gets what he can to run after catch, the balance,

764
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: the toughness, you know, I love the versatility, and I've

765
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 2: just it never has been easy for him, it seems like,

766
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 2: but he manages to see it through. Think about him too.

767
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: He was a walk on at Kansas State. That's kind

768
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,880
Speaker 2: of when you start to talk about players that you know,

769
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: I kind of had things a little rough. He's one

770
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,919
Speaker 2: of those guys that's kind of been able to fight

771
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: thing through. If I can mention one other guy that's

772
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: tied end, Jared Wiley from TCU. I don't know if

773
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: you've seen him.

774
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 1: I have.

775
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: I like him more than I like Theo Johnson to

776
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: be honest with Yeah, yeah, and.

777
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 2: Theo Johnson's high on a lot of people's board. This

778
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 2: guy's auld transfer from Texas mentioned he's sixty six, he's

779
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: two forty nine, and they're at TCU. He catches the

780
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 2: ball really, really well, and he's a tall guy and

781
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 2: so he get adjusted when it's delivered. You do not

782
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: see him play a lot of inline stuff. He's not

783
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 2: when we talk in line that's tackle next to the tackle.

784
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 2: He's usually a wing or a move guy. But the

785
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: coaches at TCU created ways to get him the ball.

786
00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,399
Speaker 2: But he's got strength to run through arm tackles. He's

787
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 2: got power. Uh you know, he can find soft spots

788
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: in the zone. He's got He gives effort as a

789
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,960
Speaker 2: blocker and a second level blocker, but he's not a

790
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 2: killer by any means in that his contact balance as

791
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: a blocker will come and go. That's why he's not

792
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 2: an in line guy. But man, this is a red

793
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: zone guy. He can separate, he can make contested catches,

794
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: He's got straight line speed. I just feel like to

795
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 2: me that there's a guy that at six six two

796
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,280
Speaker 2: forty nine, you you've got talking about a big target

797
00:37:58,520 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 2: that could work the middle of the field. I would

798
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: be surprised that some people have him higher on their ball. Yeah.

799
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,839
Speaker 3: I have Stover and Wiley as my only two fourth

800
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 3: round tight ends. So those are the two guys I

801
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: like in Round four. Different type of players, but I

802
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 3: have them kind of stack, you know, in relatively closer right,

803
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 3: let's go to the offensive line here, Brian, the offensive

804
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 3: tackle to me is fascinating. I know you love Fuanga

805
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 3: a lot at out of Oregon State. I want to

806
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 3: ask you about one thing, but you said you I

807
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 3: remember listening on one of your shows. You can't really

808
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: find the weakness watching his tape. Yeah, look at some

809
00:38:28,080 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 3: of the in game team stuff at the Senior Bawl

810
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,959
Speaker 3: Diza Isaac give him.

811
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 1: Some issues with speed rush And maybe maybe this.

812
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 3: Is me being scarred from from from Evan Neil the

813
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: last couple of years. I worry about his ability to

814
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:46,600
Speaker 3: really get wide on his kick and handle speed rushers outside.

815
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 3: While I see Latham, he gets out there easily, he

816
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 3: gets those long arms and the meat hawks on guys

817
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: and he locks him down. I like Wuanga as a

818
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 3: guy that can you know, play inside power. He flies

819
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 3: off the ball straight ahead, good athlete. I wonder about

820
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 3: his lateral ability to get wide against some of those

821
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: better speed rushers.

822
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:10,760
Speaker 2: To me, I man, I saw a really good foot athlete.

823
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 2: That's and you know, and I and I'm gonna admit

824
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 2: I did not look at the stuff at the senior ball.

825
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: I just went and did his tape that he had

826
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 2: at Oregon State. I kind of felt like though that

827
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 2: to me, there was there wasn't anything that he couldn't do.

828
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 2: And I just it was one of.

829
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,360
Speaker 3: The Brian Honestly, it did not show up on his

830
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 3: game tape much to be totally honest with.

831
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: You, Yeah, yeah, I I man, I just saw a

832
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 2: guy with natural strength. I saw leverage, I saw power.

833
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: I saw him stone and defenders. I mean I felt

834
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:46,400
Speaker 2: like he played relaxed as a passway. He didn't appear

835
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 2: hurried or stressed out. I thought he was a light

836
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 2: footed guy. Again, I watched the UCLA rushers, the Utah

837
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: rushers here, second level stuff. I mean, there's there's times

838
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: where you see him punish defenders, and I I thought

839
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 2: when he was helping his teammates that was something really big.

840
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: I love the power in the finish. I need to

841
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 2: probably go back and look at the Senior Bowl stuff

842
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 2: that way and see how that all worked out. But

843
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 2: that Penn State rusher is not a bad one that

844
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 2: he was, that he was he was dealing with. Now,

845
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: I will say this about Latham and I and I Okay,

846
00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: and you know, I covered the Dallas Cowboys here, as

847
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 2: everybody well knows. So they're they're hunting the left tackle here. Really,

848
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 2: they're they're trying to figure out, you know, do they

849
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: want to kick Tyler Smith the guard outside? How do

850
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,759
Speaker 2: they want to deal with that? So Latham is a

851
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 2: guy we're looking at all these tackles. I'm looking at

852
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: him and I'm going, okay, can he play left tackle?

853
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: And I'm I'm asking, I'm watching. I'm thinking, Skut looks

854
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 2: like a right tackle. He looks like a guard and

855
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,439
Speaker 2: I'm just kind of going through it in my head.

856
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,760
Speaker 2: I I just remember, like at you know, three hundred

857
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,919
Speaker 2: and forty two pounds, I'm thinking, and Okay, this guy,

858
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 2: he does move pretty well and all that. I asked

859
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,879
Speaker 2: a scout in the league, one of my buddies. I said, hey,

860
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 2: do you think Latham can play left tackle? He goes, no,

861
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: but I think he could be an All Pro guard.

862
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 2: And I'm like, okay, he's like a guard. Yeah, I mean,

863
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: it's sixty six, three forty two. That's what we're dealing

864
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 2: with right now. I kind of feel like he's going

865
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 2: to need to lose some weight to be even better.

866
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: And and you know, he started off like as a

867
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty pound guy and then you get

868
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: the combine and he's three forty two. So maybe he

869
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: is going in the right direction. But you talk to

870
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: people at Alabama and there were some questions about him

871
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:44,880
Speaker 2: moving to left tackle after his sophomore year, and you know,

872
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: but that that, you know, Evan Neil was on the

873
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: team at the time. So the team they took they said, no, no,

874
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 2: We're going to play Latham at right tackle because they

875
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,439
Speaker 2: wanted to try and develop a left tackle out weaken

876
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 2: the right side. So there are things that Alabama did

877
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,399
Speaker 2: you know, maybe this kid can play. But I like,

878
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 2: I say, talking to a couple of scouts that that

879
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: that do the Southeast, the one just said, man, this

880
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 2: guy could be an All Pro guard. And I wonder, John,

881
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: how many of these guys we're looking at at tackle

882
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 2: that are going to end up playing guard? And I'll

883
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: give you I'll give you an example. I'll give you

884
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 2: an example of the guy that I'm that I'm thinking about.

885
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 2: Here is our guy from from Arizona, Morgan. Morgan. I mean,

886
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 2: everybody you talk to is like he's a guard. He's

887
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 2: a guard. He's a guard. But you watch him play

888
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 2: at Arizona, he's got some tackle trades to him. But

889
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: you know, if the Cowboys, let me tell you this.

890
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 2: I know I'm in a Giants podcast here right now,

891
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: but I'm just talking about it for you know, if

892
00:42:53,719 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 2: if you're the Dallas Cowboys, you look at these mammoth

893
00:42:56,800 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 2: tackles and to sell the Jerry Jones my own experience

894
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: to selling to Jerry Jones about you know, there was

895
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: a guy named Flozell Atoms that played a long time

896
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: and so if you describe the player like this guy's mammoth,

897
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: like flows Elle Adams. I think there are a couple

898
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 2: of those guys in this draft, these mammoth six six,

899
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: three hundred and forty two pound guys. And I guarantee

900
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 2: you everybody's got these tackles sorted differently. Yeah, there's no consensus.

901
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: It's probably like the quarterbacks. There's no consensus on these

902
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: offensive tackles.

903
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:31,880
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908
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 3: Two tackles that interesting to me. Tony Tyler Goyton, who

909
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 3: I think, just based on athleticism, is probably the most

910
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 3: athletic tackle, but his hand usage is a mess and

911
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 3: there's just a lot of work to do with that.

912
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 3: Amarius Mims does not have a lot of starts under

913
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 3: his belt, but Mike.

914
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 2: That would scare me.

915
00:43:57,560 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 1: That would the tape that he has.

916
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 3: Dude, nobody gets by him, I mean no, no one

917
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: gets by him, and.

918
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 1: He looks really really good.

919
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 3: I don't know how much of a fearsome, you know,

920
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:07,399
Speaker 3: power run blocker he's going to be just because he's

921
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 3: so tall, but boy, his pass pro is phenomenal. And

922
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 3: then one of my personal favorites is Kingsley Suamataiya out

923
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 3: of Dyu.

924
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: Boy.

925
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 3: He's not quite the athlete Guidan is, but he's really

926
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,919
Speaker 3: good and he is nasty. You watch him on tape,

927
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 3: finished blocks in the run game. He will bury guys.

928
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,440
Speaker 3: But again, much like Geydon, a lot of work to

929
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 3: do there in terms of some of the fundamentals. But

930
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: he has left and right, which is something that I think,

931
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 3: you know, you like when you're trying to figure out

932
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 3: a fit for him. I just wonder how much teams

933
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 3: think that their old line coaches can coach up those

934
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 3: three guys where you know there is some rawness to

935
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: their games, but boy, the raw talent is just off

936
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: the charts.

937
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, we did a before I came on with you,

938
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: I was with Dallas Cowboys dot Com. We did the

939
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: draft show today and we did a mock draft and

940
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 2: we traded back. We picked up a pick from the

941
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 2: forty nine ers that Dallas doesn't currently have a fourth

942
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: round pick. We picked up a pick, went back to

943
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: their spot and picked at thirty one, and this is

944
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 2: who we picked. So Kingsley, we picked him. And I

945
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 2: totally agree with you about you know, you kind of

946
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: feel like with Brigham young players that you're always going

947
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: to get an older guy. This is not an older guy. No,

948
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: this is not an older guy. This guy transferred from Oregon.

949
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 2: And the reason he transferred from Oregon is he really

950
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,160
Speaker 2: really missed his family. He got homesick and he missed

951
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 2: his his family and he's is Mormon faith and those

952
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: are the two things that when he was at Oregon.

953
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: You know, Oregon has done a great job of you know,

954
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 2: we talked about Oregon players every year, so that type

955
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 2: of thing. And BYU says a great history of putting

956
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: players in this league. But I totally agree with you.

957
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: At six five, three hundred and twenty six pounds, maybe

958
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: a little maybe some struggle in the Texas game, but

959
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:52,640
Speaker 2: the Texas Tech game was really good. And so you know,

960
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 2: there's there's some things about with him coordinating a little

961
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 2: better with the hands and the feet, but if you

962
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 2: try and take him down the middle, he is not

963
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 2: going to let you buy, you know, And so I

964
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,320
Speaker 2: kind of really. I love the way that as a

965
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: run blocker, when he comes out of a two point stance,

966
00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 2: he comes off the ball, he engages, he works him

967
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 2: out of the play. He's got depressive second level blocks.

968
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,520
Speaker 2: I would say that he runs really, really well, moves

969
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 2: well in the open field. But man, I'll tell you

970
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 2: what he is a He is a good football player.

971
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: And maybe if you're looking at the tail end of

972
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 2: all those tackles, this would be your guy.

973
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,799
Speaker 1: Am I wrong to really like Roger Rosengarden?

974
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: I know no, and you're not, and you know, I

975
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 3: know he's stunk against Michigan, But dude, he's an athlete.

976
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: He can move, he has a good punch. I talked

977
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: to him at the Senior Bowl. He's got a great

978
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 3: attitude on him. I think I feel it bad for

979
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 3: the kid because his last stuff on tape before the

980
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 3: Senior Bowl is that terrible game against Michigan.

981
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: But he is a good player.

982
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 2: He's a really good player. And the thing about Rose

983
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,279
Speaker 2: and Garden is, and this is where my history kind

984
00:46:56,280 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: of hurts me because every time did I see a tall, linear,

985
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: kind of light tackle, and I go back to David

986
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 2: Bachtiari Colton Miller. No, that's ad One, a guy in

987
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 2: your backyard there at Nate Solder. You know that type,

988
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:17,279
Speaker 2: that that linear, long kind of guy. I always say,

989
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 2: not enough power, not enough power, not enough power, can't play,

990
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 2: can't play, pan play, And then they play twelve years,

991
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:26,560
Speaker 2: you know, and it it Rose and Garden from Washington.

992
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. He's an exceptional foot athlete. His movement

993
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 2: skills are outstanding. It doesn't matter if it's run blocking,

994
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 2: pass blocking. You rarely see him on the ground. You

995
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: rarely see him in poor blocking position. He does a

996
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 2: great job of getting out of his stance. He could

997
00:47:40,560 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 2: time his feet, his hands, He's fluid, he does it.

998
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 2: He has the balance not to put his head in

999
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 2: the block. There's a lot of times. Let me tell

1000
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:51,799
Speaker 2: you the one thing I love about this kid. This

1001
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: guy's got a crafty element to his game. And I

1002
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: want to say, in this way, he'll throw rushers off

1003
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,920
Speaker 2: with the way he times his sets. Have you noticed

1004
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 2: when sometimes he'll set deep, or he'll set really quick

1005
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 2: on the line, and he'll like he'll he'll we call

1006
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,719
Speaker 2: short set. So like you get ta you get these

1007
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: edges that are so used to rush, rush, rush, I mean,

1008
00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: they're gonna back up, back up, back up, and then

1009
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: the third or fourth rush he will set short and

1010
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 2: stab you at the line and they'll throw you off.

1011
00:48:25,040 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: So I call that a crafty element to his game

1012
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 2: because he's trying to throw the rushers off with the

1013
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 2: timing of his sets, and you can't really get a

1014
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 2: feel for him. I think he's going to be a

1015
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 2: really good swing tackle to start his career, and I

1016
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: would be surprised if he ends up being like David

1017
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 2: Botti and Miller and these other guys that might be

1018
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 2: that tall, linear kind of player and play for a

1019
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 2: long time.

1020
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: All right, let's go to guard center, Brian World.

1021
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 3: We'll only we will only stack offense here again, and

1022
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 3: then I'll get a couple of nuggets on a couple

1023
00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 3: of defensive guys. Sure, and then I'll have one final

1024
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 3: question for you about the Cowboys, considering the interest for

1025
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 3: Giant fans, you know, they haven't been able to beat

1026
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:05,680
Speaker 3: the Cowboys when to.

1027
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: See it, all those wide receivers we talked about, the

1028
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:10,359
Speaker 2: Cowboy fans are terrified that you guys are gonna take

1029
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: one of those cats.

1030
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, they should be. I mean, I don't know if

1031
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 3: the Giants. But it would make a whole lot of sense.

1032
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:21,399
Speaker 2: Every wide receiver we talked about. You guys like it. It

1033
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: would terrify me as a cowboy fan.

1034
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, Uh, let's go guard center here, Brian.

1035
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: And maybe you have some exclamation, maybe you don't. I

1036
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 3: don't know, but you talk to people that you trust

1037
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 3: around the league, that talk to people in front offices,

1038
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 3: and it seems like the league does not feel like

1039
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 3: Jackson Powers Johnson is a first round player. I don't

1040
00:49:43,800 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 3: understand that at all. I mean, my gosh, you know,

1041
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 3: a three. And maybe this is me spoiled watching Dexter

1042
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 3: Lawrence all the time. All I see Dexter Lawrence do

1043
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,880
Speaker 3: is run over these three hundred and five pounds centers

1044
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,399
Speaker 3: like James Bradberry. And then I see this three hundred

1045
00:49:56,440 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 3: and twenty five pound tank in Jackson Powers Johnson that

1046
00:49:59,560 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 3: can also move, and I'm like, why woantn't a team

1047
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 3: want this guy playing center for them and be like

1048
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: an easy, can't miss first round pick?

1049
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know, and I think John a lot

1050
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: that has to do with Uh, there's an injury history there. Uh,

1051
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: there's there's two things that he's really dealing with that

1052
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: are that teams are having to dig in on and uh,

1053
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 2: both of the more physical things. I can't get into

1054
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 2: it right now with you. I wish I could. I

1055
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,960
Speaker 2: just it's something that that I have to check on more.

1056
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: But I've heard from a couple of different teams we're

1057
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:39,479
Speaker 2: starting to see Graham Barton from Duke elevate over him

1058
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 2: and Graham Barton's dealing with his own stuff like that.

1059
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,439
Speaker 3: But and by the way, he looks more like his said,

1060
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if he has the power to play guard,

1061
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 3: but I would be fine with him playing center.

1062
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's the thing about it is. I mean

1063
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 2: there there's Graham Barton is a really good player, high

1064
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:57,160
Speaker 2: IQ player. But to get back to Powers Johnson, there's

1065
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,240
Speaker 2: things medically there that teams are having to look at

1066
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:05,480
Speaker 2: physically and some other things as well. So we're starting

1067
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 2: to see that maybe some teams, you know, I'll just

1068
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,799
Speaker 2: give you example. Mel Kiper didn't have him in a

1069
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,719
Speaker 2: first round. Monk Daniel Jeremiah had him at high one

1070
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,760
Speaker 2: time and now has dropped him down in the ranking field.

1071
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: Yates mentioned how he's talking to teams and he had

1072
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 3: him going the twenties that that's way too high.

1073
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah see, and that's the deal. And I think what's

1074
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:30,120
Speaker 2: happening right now, to be honest with you, John is

1075
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: scouts are catching up. Media scouts are catching up with

1076
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 2: the injury history, and our teams comfortable with the medical history,

1077
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 2: and so much like Peyton Wilson, the very talented linebacker

1078
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 2: from North Carolina State, there are things that you have

1079
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 2: to dig in on him. And I have a feeling

1080
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 2: now where we had power Shohnson me personally for the

1081
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 2: Cowboys at twenty four, I'd absolutely take him. I would

1082
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 2: just you're right. This guy is he's a tank. And

1083
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 2: the way he plays, the way he gets the second level.

1084
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: He's physical in the running game. You know, he helps

1085
00:52:06,719 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 2: his teammates, you know, six three three, twenty eight, My gosh,

1086
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 2: this guy. I mean, when Dallas was really good running

1087
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: the football, they had a good center in Travis Frederick.

1088
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 2: This guy's got the angles, the second level, the two blocks.

1089
00:52:19,080 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 2: On one play, he'll bounce from one guy to another guy.

1090
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: He drive his guy the hole. He didn't appear to

1091
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 2: have the longest arms, but he does a good job

1092
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 2: of finding his target.

1093
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: He finishes inside.

1094
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:32,480
Speaker 2: All the hans are inside he's smart. You don't see

1095
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,759
Speaker 2: him get busting plays or getting fooled. He loves to

1096
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 2: play the game. His toughness is impressive. Yeah that that's

1097
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,919
Speaker 2: if teams are getting off of him because of some

1098
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: medical concerns, well then maybe a team will benefit by

1099
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 2: by having him on their team or draft.

1100
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 3: You know you mentioned scouts that are really good at

1101
00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 3: drafting positions. Can you send whatever Cowboys scout d scouts

1102
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:58,719
Speaker 3: offensive lineman for them and send them up here because

1103
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 3: the Giants us, Oh, we've been trying for a while,

1104
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 3: it hasn't been working.

1105
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, plug and play man, I mean that's Dallas. The

1106
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 2: one thing is Dallas takes the first round offensive lineman

1107
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 2: that is going to be a plug and play player.

1108
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: They have a great knack for doing that.

1109
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,400
Speaker 4: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens,

1110
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 4: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country.

1111
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 4: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

1112
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 4: you ready for all that life brings?

1113
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 3: You know, people come to this podcast. Nothing gets the

1114
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 3: more excited Brian than talking about day two. Guards and centers. Yeah, sexy,

1115
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:40,720
Speaker 3: It's it's exciting. So I love Zach Frasier. The Giants

1116
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 3: don't need a center, but I so. I haven't had

1117
00:53:42,520 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 3: a chance to talk about him much, but I watched

1118
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 3: him a couple weeks ago, and I don't know if

1119
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 3: he wrestled in his background, but the way he's so

1120
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:50,279
Speaker 3: low to the ground and squatty, he looks like a

1121
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 3: wrestler the way he plays. I don't think enough people

1122
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 3: talk about Cooper Bebee. He's the second round player for

1123
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 3: me all day long. I don't care that he bench

1124
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,239
Speaker 3: press twenty that guy. I tweeted this the other day.

1125
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 3: If you're a linebacker or a defensive back and he's

1126
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,120
Speaker 3: coming at you on one of those you know, second

1127
00:54:06,200 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 3: level blocks, look out because he's looking to murder you

1128
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 3: and put you, you know, six feet on there.

1129
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: Like yeah, Muller. I like Christian Haynes at a Yukon and.

1130
00:54:14,680 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 3: Then around three you know, Dominic Poone's kind of a

1131
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:19,840
Speaker 3: tweeler for me. He looks like he should be a tackle,

1132
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: but he's not long enough to be a tackle. But

1133
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure he's big enough to be a guard.

1134
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 3: So I like the player, I just don't know where

1135
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: he fits. I like Isaiah Adams as a guard. And

1136
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 3: then I'm a big Mason McCormick guy at a South

1137
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 3: Dakota State. I think he just has the mentality, physicality

1138
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,000
Speaker 3: and everything to be a darn good interior offensive line.

1139
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 3: And then guys with like third fourth round combo grades.

1140
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:43,320
Speaker 3: For me, I like BORDERLINI out of Wisconsin moves better

1141
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:43,719
Speaker 3: than you know.

1142
00:54:43,800 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: He good mover.

1143
00:54:44,640 --> 00:54:46,839
Speaker 3: I think he overextends himself sometimes and bends a little

1144
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 3: bit too much and leans. And then you have Ziner

1145
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: and Mahogany, which you're kind of like. I think they

1146
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 3: in a year or two they could be like baseline

1147
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,719
Speaker 3: levels starting guards that aren't gonna dominate, but aren't gonna

1148
00:54:57,719 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: get you into trouble either.

1149
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think if Tom Coughlin was still coaching for

1150
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: you guys, Christian Mahogany from Boston College would have a

1151
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,720
Speaker 2: good Boston College has a great history of putting offensive

1152
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,400
Speaker 2: linemen in the league. They do. They're tough guys, and

1153
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 2: so we'll see where Christian mahage If I could circle

1154
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 2: back real quick, and this is the guy when I'll talk.

1155
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, hey, hey, whoever you want.

1156
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 2: Zach Frasier and you mentioned him from West Virginia. He's

1157
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of a You know, he doesn't look

1158
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: as big on tape, but he's three hundred and thirteen

1159
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: pounds and he's really good as a point of attack blocker.

1160
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 2: He's really good in the passing game as well. He

1161
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:32,319
Speaker 2: plays on his feet. You don't see him getting knocked

1162
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 2: around or anything like that. He gets in position, as

1163
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 2: you mentioned, right off the snap, and he's one of

1164
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 2: those guys that you'll see him he'll get his head

1165
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 2: all the way across the defender and secure blocks like

1166
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:48,239
Speaker 2: wide techniques, that one technique, that three technique. He can

1167
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:50,719
Speaker 2: He has a real feel for that. If you ever

1168
00:55:50,800 --> 00:55:54,759
Speaker 2: have the opportunity watch him play against Texas, and all

1169
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about are Texas's defensive tackles, the

1170
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 2: ones and the threes, you know, sweat, We're going to

1171
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:03,799
Speaker 2: talk about those guys. He handled those guys, and those

1172
00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,840
Speaker 2: guys are going to play in the league. Those guys

1173
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 2: are gonna get drafted pretty highly. And he handled those guys.

1174
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,560
Speaker 2: If he's handling those types of guys, he can handle

1175
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,840
Speaker 2: others in the National Football League. I really do like

1176
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 2: that player a lot, all.

1177
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 3: Right, So let's let's let's go express to the defense

1178
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 3: real quick. Brian, we've been going a while already. I

1179
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:24,319
Speaker 3: want to waste more of your time.

1180
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 2: No, you're not wasting time.

1181
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: I love doing this defensive tackle. Give me a guy

1182
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 3: maybe that you like more than most. I'll just throw

1183
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 3: my two cents out there to Vanji Sweat. And this

1184
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:36,399
Speaker 3: is even before the DWI thing. Yeah, this is would

1185
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:40,799
Speaker 3: that put aside. A guy that fluctuates weight wise that

1186
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: much is always going to scare me. So I like

1187
00:56:44,080 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: a third round great on him, just because I'm worried

1188
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 3: about that sort of stuff. Any sore thumbs for you

1189
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 3: with defensive tackle in terms either you're much higher or

1190
00:56:51,560 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 3: lower on some of these guys than maybe with the consent.

1191
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:55,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, I you know what the problem I'm running into,

1192
00:56:56,080 --> 00:57:00,879
Speaker 2: John is that I this is a very and the

1193
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: one techniques. I think they're guys the three techniques, and

1194
00:57:05,120 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 2: that's again working for you know, covering the Cowboys, Dallas

1195
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 2: is really looking for a one.

1196
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: Technique, not a lot of those guys in there.

1197
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see what happens Mike Zimber. We'll see

1198
00:57:14,160 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 2: what happens with Mazzie Smith, and Mike can do something

1199
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: with Mazzie Smith, get the weight back on Mozzie Smith

1200
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: and all that, But you mentioned sweat Fisk from Florida State.

1201
00:57:23,600 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 2: I think is a really really good player, a guy

1202
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 2: that a guy that that. I don't know if you've

1203
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 2: if you've looked at or you've studied all that much.

1204
00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,720
Speaker 2: Have you studied Jackson from Texas A and M Jackson.

1205
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 3: Yes, I have, and I saw him up close to

1206
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 3: the Senior Bowl too, and I was very impressed. I

1207
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,000
Speaker 3: think for a guy that size, he can push the

1208
00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: pocket a little bit.

1209
00:57:45,080 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's three, he's six two, he's three hundred and

1210
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 2: twenty six pounds, and you know, this is where I

1211
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 2: saw a really explosive guy. I saw range. I saw

1212
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 2: a guy that got off the ball. As you mentioned,

1213
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,960
Speaker 2: he's constantly jarring opponents, and you can see him knocking

1214
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: guy's back, the power, the double teams, all those things

1215
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 2: that he faced. He moves like a much smaller guy,

1216
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, but he's got all that size and I

1217
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 2: was amazed with how well did he really meet you.

1218
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:17,200
Speaker 2: You see snaps where he is off the ball and

1219
00:58:17,480 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 2: you know, kind of knocked around a little bit, but

1220
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:21,880
Speaker 2: then again the next one he's on the other side

1221
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:24,600
Speaker 2: of the line of scrimmage. I think he's is equally

1222
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:27,000
Speaker 2: good playing the nose head up as he is playing

1223
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,280
Speaker 2: in the gap. And he's a guy that I like,

1224
00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 2: you know, as you look down potentially in that third

1225
00:58:32,720 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 2: fourth round. The guy that I and here's when my

1226
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 2: LSU guys.

1227
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't have much separating him in sweat by

1228
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: the way they are not.

1229
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,200
Speaker 2: Ye, there you go, that's good. That's good. Then that's

1230
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 2: good to know. The guy that I would be a

1231
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:48,520
Speaker 2: little worried about is Mason Smith from LSU.

1232
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:51,320
Speaker 1: Looks like Tarzan, but you don't see it on the field, man, You.

1233
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 2: Don't, You sure don't. He was a five star recruit

1234
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 2: coming out of college, and he's had two major injuries

1235
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,080
Speaker 2: while he was at LSU. He had a shoulder problem

1236
00:58:58,160 --> 00:59:01,360
Speaker 2: and a knee problem. And he's got a really good

1237
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 2: first initial step, and then after that he loses momentum.

1238
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: And I think there's a lot of people that really

1239
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:11,160
Speaker 2: like this kid a lot. He plays really tall, his

1240
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:15,560
Speaker 2: pad level is immediately comes up, and against double teams

1241
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: he'll struggle and he'll lose that at the point of attack.

1242
00:59:18,200 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 1: I liked Wingo's tay better than his, to be honest.

1243
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would be I would kind of be buyer

1244
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,800
Speaker 2: beware about Mason Smith. And here I was praising LSU

1245
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: guys earlier. This would be a buyer beware thing. If

1246
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:33,360
Speaker 2: you're looking for one technique.

1247
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: Tackle, yeah, you mentioned one.

1248
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: I'm curious, how do you sort out these like mid

1249
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 3: round three techniques. I'll take fist out of it. Already

1250
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 3: mentioned him v Yeah, the ro Ros, the Jenkins, the Dorlesses,

1251
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,640
Speaker 3: the Michael Halls, like that group.

1252
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:47,800
Speaker 1: How do you kind of sort through that mess?

1253
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,600
Speaker 2: I like the thing I you know, I Jenkins to

1254
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: me if you if you Mazzie Smith at a Michigan

1255
00:59:56,440 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 2: and Mozzie came to the league and had problems with

1256
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,920
Speaker 2: his the get off and you wonder, I'm like, is

1257
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 2: that him or is it the scheme? You watch Chris

1258
01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: Jenkins play some of the similar problems of getting off.

1259
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:12,720
Speaker 2: I mean they play such a read and react defense

1260
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 2: there at Michigan, and you wonder how it's fed. I

1261
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,280
Speaker 2: love Dorless. I think Dorless could play any one of

1262
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:22,680
Speaker 2: the spots out of Oregon. Mike Hall from Ohio State

1263
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,800
Speaker 2: another guy that I really liked.

1264
01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:26,880
Speaker 1: Inconsistent though he's a great athlete, but.

1265
01:00:27,840 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, but him Carter from from Duke Yeah, good play.

1266
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,040
Speaker 2: I think those are all those are all kind of

1267
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 2: third fourth round guys. You mentioned Wingo Taylor from Miami.

1268
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 2: I think those are guys that you know are all

1269
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,000
Speaker 2: kind of in that in that group. But I do

1270
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 2: like dor Less from Oregon quite a bit.

1271
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 3: Okay, give me one notable thing from your edge group

1272
01:00:52,880 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 3: that people should know about.

1273
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:57,280
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I think that. If you're looking

1274
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:01,520
Speaker 2: for a complete player, and I know we Dallas Turner

1275
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: as being the potentially the best one at Alabama, I

1276
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,840
Speaker 2: got Verse from Florida State as a better player, and

1277
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:08,520
Speaker 2: I'll tell you why.

1278
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 1: So much power, Brian, It's so much fun to watch.

1279
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: The thing with Versu is that with his ability to

1280
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 2: play the run and also rush the passer, give me

1281
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 2: these complete guys, don't. I don't need a one trick pony,

1282
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:25,600
Speaker 2: as we say in scouting world. I don't need a

1283
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,640
Speaker 2: guy that's just a great pass rusher. The thing with Verse,

1284
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 2: I know, you know a transferred from Albany, which is

1285
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 2: a story in itself, but the fact that he the

1286
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,080
Speaker 2: way that he plays at Florida State, the explosiveness, the

1287
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 2: way he plays with power, the way he plays with

1288
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 2: the point of attack. Give me that guy. I have

1289
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 2: a chance to be really wrong about Chop Robinson by

1290
01:01:45,160 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 2: the way I got him in the second round. I

1291
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:49,479
Speaker 2: know there's some people that probably have him a little

1292
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 2: bit higher. Me too, but man, the upper body that's

1293
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,440
Speaker 2: kind of thin, the lower body that has the power

1294
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 2: is nice. I don't know if I always see it

1295
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:05,360
Speaker 2: with Chop Robinson though. And then Latto from UCLA there's

1296
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 2: another one of those medical concern guys. The guy is

1297
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: a freak type of a pass rusher, but you know

1298
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 2: the medical retirement when he was at Washington, he went

1299
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 2: to UCLA. There's a lot of questions about that guy.

1300
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 2: But Turner scares me a little bit because I watched

1301
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 2: Braswell on the other side. It seemed like he got

1302
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:29,200
Speaker 2: more pressures there at Alabama.

1303
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: You know what, I walked away thinking the same thing.

1304
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: I like Braswell.

1305
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And if I could give you a guy down

1306
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:40,160
Speaker 2: the line, yeah, to check out as The University of

1307
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 2: Houston has an edge rusher that I really really like.

1308
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what. Nelson Caesar is his name,

1309
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 2: and he's sixes two hundred and fifty four pounds. He

1310
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 2: can stand up he could put his hand down. Check

1311
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,200
Speaker 2: out Nelson Caesar if you had this guy plays with

1312
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 2: a true, true burst. He's six three, two fifty four.

1313
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:04,960
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, you know, he's one of those guys

1314
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 2: he does not let blockers get into his body at all,

1315
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: and he could split guys on the goal line. He's

1316
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,480
Speaker 2: a physical tackler. So I'm talking about potentially a Day

1317
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:18,040
Speaker 2: three guy right there. But Nelson Caesar as a guy

1318
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: I need to.

1319
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 1: Mention, all right, I want to hit DB's real quick.

1320
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 3: The Giants have two needs there, Tony Brian quarterback, I

1321
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 3: think you know you got that group that's gonna go

1322
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 3: one very early two. Then you got a bunch of

1323
01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:33,880
Speaker 3: second third round guys here that can play inside and outside.

1324
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,280
Speaker 3: I really like Rinaldo Green out of Florida State. I

1325
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 3: like Mike Sandser Still out of Michigan. I think both

1326
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:41,360
Speaker 3: are very good football players. Who do you like in

1327
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 3: that mid mid day two type of area, either inside

1328
01:03:45,200 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 3: or outside.

1329
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: It is quite frankly, the Giants could use both.

1330
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: The sansor Still guy from Michigan is as a quality

1331
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,280
Speaker 2: quality player, and you know the thing about him is,

1332
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 2: though he's a little bit of a shorter guy. But

1333
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 2: you know, he was a converted wide receiver and I'll

1334
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 2: tell you what though, it shows because he knows how

1335
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,880
Speaker 2: to read routes and like you said, you could play

1336
01:04:04,920 --> 01:04:09,120
Speaker 2: him inside outside. He's got quick feet. It's a hard

1337
01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 2: guy to get away. He's smart, he's tough, he's willing.

1338
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,080
Speaker 2: He is a smaller guy. That's the thing about it.

1339
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 2: The guy that I like. And again, here's a guy

1340
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 2: we probably have to check some injury history on a

1341
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 2: little bit. But Kyrie Jackson out of Oregon is a

1342
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 2: six ' four one and ninety four pound corner. He's

1343
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 2: a transfer from Alabama. He's a long, athletic cover guy.

1344
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 2: It's got a lot of physical tools to his play.

1345
01:04:35,160 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 2: He's very competitive. He wants to be a part of

1346
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,439
Speaker 2: the action. He's not a blow you up type of guy.

1347
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 2: He'll wrap up. I've seen him on the blitz. He's

1348
01:04:42,600 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 2: had six success attacking the pocket. Easy for me to

1349
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:49,080
Speaker 2: say right then and there, but he mainly plays as

1350
01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 2: an outside corner and he's going to travel with the

1351
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 2: number one. His best snaps are when he could play

1352
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 2: impress man and disrupt guys off the line. He uses

1353
01:04:57,680 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: linked I love the way challenge receivers. You know, he

1354
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,680
Speaker 2: might need a little help with the change of direction stuff.

1355
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:07,400
Speaker 2: He gets a little handsy at time. But other than that, man,

1356
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,440
Speaker 2: this guy is a really talented player with some size.

1357
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,160
Speaker 2: All right.

1358
01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:14,200
Speaker 3: Then finally, safety Tony, I keep calling you Tony, Tony.

1359
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:16,080
Speaker 3: Paul need is my coast on draft season, and I've

1360
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 3: been doing that all week.

1361
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,120
Speaker 1: I do all these interviews. I apologize, Briance.

1362
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:21,920
Speaker 2: It's okay, I just I just answer whatever you call me.

1363
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Coole Bishop is a safety. I really like anyone

1364
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: from this which I think is really muddled in that

1365
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: day two area that really sticks out to you as

1366
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:35,320
Speaker 3: a guy that can The Giants are probably gonna go

1367
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 3: to this split safety, you know, scheme where you need

1368
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:38,960
Speaker 3: the guys to be a little more versatile.

1369
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:40,320
Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys you like that might

1370
01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:41,280
Speaker 1: be able to fit in that mold?

1371
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Cowboys the same way with Mike Zimmer He

1372
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:47,080
Speaker 2: Mike wants guys to play with rain. Well, everybody wants

1373
01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 2: rain safeties and stuff, but they have to be interchangeable

1374
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,080
Speaker 2: safeties is what you're looking at right there, to be

1375
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: able to play down in the box, play back. My

1376
01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 2: favorite guy when it comes to this type of play

1377
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 2: is Tyler Nuban from Minnesota, and you know, we'll see

1378
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 2: where he goes in this draft. I think he's the

1379
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: best safety in the country. I think the awareness he

1380
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 2: plays with, the instincts when others are standing still. At

1381
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 2: Minnesota on defense, he's in attack mode. Everybody's kind of

1382
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: trying to figure every things out. He know he's coming,

1383
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 2: He's gonna. He's got straight line speed, he's got quickness,

1384
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 2: he's got a burst. He punishes his ball carriers with

1385
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 2: his closing speed. He makes a ton of plays down ill.

1386
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:27,520
Speaker 2: I love the way that he tracks the football. He's

1387
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 2: got a feel for how to play in order to

1388
01:06:30,040 --> 01:06:33,800
Speaker 2: play through the receiver in order to make the play.

1389
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,480
Speaker 2: So I really really am a big fan of his.

1390
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:40,520
Speaker 2: I know you mentioned you mentioned the Cole Bishop out

1391
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 2: of Utah. I think there's a guy that you look

1392
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,120
Speaker 2: at the link the build. He can cover some ground.

1393
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 2: He's one of those type of players that can play

1394
01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:50,680
Speaker 2: near the line of scrimmage. He can play with some depth.

1395
01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:53,800
Speaker 2: He's asked to play a bunch of spot He's not

1396
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,200
Speaker 2: bad at mixing it up at the line again, uses

1397
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:00,160
Speaker 2: a blitzer run defender. Ford in a hurry. I think

1398
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 2: he could feel a little inconsistent as a tackler though

1399
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 2: I've seen him wrap up. But I've also just seen

1400
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,040
Speaker 2: him throw his body into the guy and hope for

1401
01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 2: the best right there. So there's it's quite a group

1402
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 2: I know that people have talked about with Kaylen Bullock

1403
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: as well from USC kind of is the true guy.

1404
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 2: I mean, he's one hundred and eighty eight pounds. He

1405
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 2: really looks thin on tape.

1406
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:23,800
Speaker 1: But he gets the ball though, man, he does he

1407
01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:24,440
Speaker 1: hit the ball.

1408
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:26,919
Speaker 2: He does get the ball. He's a fluid moving guy

1409
01:07:27,480 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 2: when he's he has no trouble coming forward. His range,

1410
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 2: That's the thing about an is his range. He could

1411
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:36,960
Speaker 2: overlap and cover from different areas in the field. He

1412
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 2: plays with his eyes, read and react. I mean, there's

1413
01:07:40,080 --> 01:07:42,840
Speaker 2: a lot of really positive things to like about Kaylen Bullock.

1414
01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,560
Speaker 3: All right, final question, And I like that like to

1415
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,200
Speaker 3: think that I keep track of all of these teams

1416
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 3: into the Cowboy in the Giants Division like the Cowboys,

1417
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 3: and I have a pretty idea what Washington's doing.

1418
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:54,560
Speaker 1: I have a pretty good feel for it.

1419
01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 3: Phil He's trying to do extending all their young guys

1420
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,680
Speaker 3: early and all that stuff. But Brian, I gotta be

1421
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 3: honest with you, I can't for the life and we

1422
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 3: figure out what the heck the Cowboys are doing with

1423
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:06,200
Speaker 3: Dak Prescott. How they're handling this is mind boggling to

1424
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:09,040
Speaker 3: me from a salary cap perspective. And just if they

1425
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:11,600
Speaker 3: really like Dak Prescott, well, he's gonna be basically an

1426
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: unrestricted free agent next offseason if they'll do something, and

1427
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,360
Speaker 3: if they want to keep them, it's he's only gonna

1428
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,200
Speaker 3: become the highest paid quarterback in football because he's gonna

1429
01:08:20,200 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: could basically dictate to the Cowboys whatever he wants. And

1430
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: they still have land that they haven't extended Michael Parson's extension.

1431
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,200
Speaker 1: Alb they even done him yet.

1432
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,800
Speaker 3: Can you give me some idea of what the Cowboys

1433
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 3: they have their coach on the last year of his deal,

1434
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 3: what's their long term plan here moving forward in terms

1435
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:36,920
Speaker 3: of getting well.

1436
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 1: Really the core of their team moving forward.

1437
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:41,679
Speaker 2: A lot to unpac there, and you kind of covered

1438
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 2: it all. Uh yeah, John, it's uh, we're all kind

1439
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 2: of trying to figure that out as well. You know,

1440
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: they could have flipped some switches, did some things, They

1441
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:53,200
Speaker 2: created a couple avoidable years. They were able to kind

1442
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: of get a little bit of cap relief on You're right,

1443
01:08:56,439 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: if they let him get the free agency, there's an

1444
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:01,639
Speaker 2: opportunity for somebody to grab him. Then you only get

1445
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 2: the compensatory three likely out of that. If that's the case. Yeah,

1446
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,559
Speaker 2: there's a lot of questions there. Some unfortunate things have

1447
01:09:10,600 --> 01:09:13,759
Speaker 2: happened to them in this regard. They didn't they didn't

1448
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: react quick enough to get him done. They didn't have

1449
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 2: a fifth year option on him, the know, but they

1450
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:22,519
Speaker 2: kept letting it go. They let Ken play out and

1451
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 2: play out and play out, and it finally it's caught

1452
01:09:25,040 --> 01:09:26,760
Speaker 2: up with them in that way. They keep kicking the

1453
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:29,880
Speaker 2: can down the road. But now they're in a situation

1454
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 2: where there's no trade. You know, Now, if you wanted to,

1455
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: you could probably go to him and say, listen, we

1456
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 2: have a deal. Would you be interested, and you know,

1457
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,320
Speaker 2: he could say yes or no. But yeah, this is

1458
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:45,240
Speaker 2: this is a situation where there's not a lot of uncertainty.

1459
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,800
Speaker 2: You know that I believe they're going to pay him.

1460
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,120
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to pay him now, but

1461
01:09:51,200 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 2: when they're going to try and see if they can

1462
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 2: compete next year with it and we'll see. They have

1463
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 2: a history of signing guys for training camp opens. You know,

1464
01:10:02,479 --> 01:10:04,519
Speaker 2: we get there, they make a big announcement, Oh, Dak

1465
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,080
Speaker 2: Prescott has signed an extension. Da da da da. But

1466
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 2: there's I just have a feeling that they're going to

1467
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: figure this thing out. And Dak Dak has reasons to

1468
01:10:14,800 --> 01:10:18,080
Speaker 2: be here for his off the field stuff too, which

1469
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 2: is very promise that it's a very big part of

1470
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,280
Speaker 2: what he does. But I think Dallas is going to

1471
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,519
Speaker 2: get the deal done. But there's also a side of

1472
01:10:28,520 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 2: me that says, I wouldn't be surprised if they moved

1473
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: on from Mike McCarthy, moved on from Dak Prescott and

1474
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:36,799
Speaker 2: just kind of reset this thing. You know is Jerry

1475
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: and Stephen Jones aren't going anywhere. The front office is

1476
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 2: not going anywhere. If you're a general manager that needs

1477
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:45,519
Speaker 2: to have keep your job because of your quarterback, you

1478
01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 2: probably would have had this thing done. But they're not

1479
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 2: going anywhere. So they feel like that they could probably

1480
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,920
Speaker 2: wait this thing out and make him play another year

1481
01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 2: and then come back to the table and see if

1482
01:10:57,560 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: it's good enough or not. If it's good enough, uh,

1483
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: they'll they'll pay him a huge amount of money, as

1484
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 2: you just mentioned, if it ends up to being like

1485
01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 2: it was against Green Bay, they can very well move

1486
01:11:08,120 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: on from this guy. I think that's where we're at

1487
01:11:10,520 --> 01:11:10,960
Speaker 2: right now.

1488
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 1: You think any chance Lamb gets extended before the season.

1489
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 2: Uh, that's one man. That's a that's that's another good question.

1490
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: Yes, he seems to check every box like he does.

1491
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:24,920
Speaker 2: He does, he's got he's gotten better, He's gotten better

1492
01:11:24,960 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 2: every year. I will say this, and this is how

1493
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,200
Speaker 2: Diggs got his deal done at the cornerback spot. If

1494
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 2: you're not the guy resetting the market, Steven Jones will

1495
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: deal with you. He's really good at Okay, I don't

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Speaker 2: have to be the highest paid wide receiver, but if

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Speaker 2: I'm the third highest paid wide receiver, you know, Stephen

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Speaker 2: Jones can figure out ways to work with you that way.

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Speaker 2: He's really good at doing that kind of stuff. But

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Speaker 2: when you when you're the resetter of the market, like

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Speaker 2: what's gonna happen with Michael Parsons. You know, we saw

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Speaker 2: what Josh Allen just got in Jacksonville, right.

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Speaker 1: And Brian Burns from US.

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Speaker 2: And Brian Burns, Yeah, that's the same. I mean, those

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Speaker 2: are only things that Steven Jones is gonna have to

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Speaker 2: deal with down the road. So I think it's easier

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Speaker 2: to figure out what they might do in the draft

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Speaker 2: than it is to figure out what they're gonna do

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Speaker 2: with these contracts.

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Speaker 3: Brian, awesome stuff. Tell the folks where they can find

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Speaker 3: all your fantastic work.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate that, Johnny. Again, I utmost respect for

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Speaker 2: the Giant organization. Thank you for the bank that sponsors

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Speaker 2: your show, for putting us on today. Yeah, all my

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Speaker 2: stuff is I'm at one O five three to the

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Speaker 2: Fan two to seven Monday through Friday. You can catch

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Speaker 2: us on the Odyssey app if you're interested in that

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Speaker 2: kind of stuff. Dude, love with the Start podcast with

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Speaker 2: Bobby Belt That's something we do on Odyssey as well.

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Speaker 2: And then also the Draft show, which I do with

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Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Been running on that for eleven

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Speaker 2: years now, so that's part of it. So all that

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Speaker 2: at Twitter at Brian brought us welcome all questions. If

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Speaker 2: you're a Giants fan and you have a question about

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Speaker 2: maybe a player or two, I'll be happy to answer

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Speaker 2: those questions. Just let me know you're a Giants fan too.

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Speaker 2: I always like interacting with fans especially this time of

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Speaker 2: year with all the work that we do covering all

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Speaker 2: these players.

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Speaker 3: Brian, great is that my friend I always love catch

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Speaker 3: up with every year around this time.

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Speaker 1: It's a ton of fun. I just love talking to you.

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Speaker 1: I think we've become.

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Speaker 3: Friends over the years, and I absolutely and I just

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Speaker 3: enjoy talking to you. Good luck as we sprint about

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Speaker 3: one week until draft, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, John appreciate that, and you guys take care

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Speaker 2: out there.

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Speaker 3: Brian brought us thanks for joining us on the Giants

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Speaker 3: Little Podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of

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Speaker 3: the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time.

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Speaker 2: Everybody,