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Speaker 1: Welcome to Fitness disrupted a production of My Heart Radio.

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Speaker 1: I am Tom Holland and this is Fitness disrupted. The

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Speaker 1: rim to Rim to rim my run across the Grand

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Speaker 1: Canyon and back. To say that I am sore today

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Speaker 1: would be a gross understatement. My legs, my abs, parts

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Speaker 1: of my arms. Yes, it is really cool to do

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Speaker 1: this podcast today because I am two days out from

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Speaker 1: having just run across the Grand Canyon and back, which

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Speaker 1: is known as the rim to rim to Rim run.

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Speaker 1: So you start on one side, you run down, you

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Speaker 1: that do rim to rim. It is not possible to

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Speaker 1: do it right now because there's really no way to

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Speaker 1: get back unless you get dropped off on one side.

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Speaker 1: You can do it if you drop off a car,

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Speaker 1: and it's just the logistics are harder. So if you

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Speaker 1: can run the whole thing, which is right around fifty

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Speaker 1: you're kind of deviations from there, but it's around fifty

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Speaker 1: miles across and back fifty miles. So I did this

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Speaker 1: two days ago. I got back last night. My kids

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Speaker 1: laughed when I walked in because yes, I was sore.

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Speaker 1: Then and now the morning after, or you know, the

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Speaker 1: two days after the delayed onset muscle soreness that I

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Speaker 1: did a whole episode about, and most of you have experienced.

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Speaker 1: The first time you ever truly exercise lift weights, you

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Speaker 1: get that soreness that is unique, and it's not usually

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Speaker 1: the day after, but two days. So after an event

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Speaker 1: like this, sure you are sore the next morning, and

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Speaker 1: you are even more sore two days And that's where

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Speaker 1: I am right now. So I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 1: what a perfect time to do a show like this.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I of about this medium is that

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Speaker 1: I can do this, and I have a producer who

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Speaker 1: will turn this around ridiculously fast for me. And so

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Speaker 1: while it's fresh, and as I stand here, as I

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Speaker 1: do when I do this podcast, I stand standing desk

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Speaker 1: in the studio, I am really sure. I'm gonna talk

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Speaker 1: all about a quick race report, and that's what it's

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Speaker 1: known as. And I just want to say that historically speaking,

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Speaker 1: I don't I haven't done race reports. So when you

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Speaker 1: do an iron Man, when you do a marathon and

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Speaker 1: up race reports and I've read them and they're great,

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Speaker 1: and so they'll say, here's from start to finish, here's

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Speaker 1: what I ate, here's my experiences, and they're super entertaining,

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Speaker 1: they're super educational. You can learn from other people. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I personally just it's been more personal to me. I

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Speaker 1: think I've always wondered, like, why why don't I do it?

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Speaker 1: And people have asked I think racing is really personal

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Speaker 1: to me. And there's a whole bunch of reasons too.

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Speaker 1: About you know, sometimes I think it can sound like

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Speaker 1: excuses when things go wrong, because things are going to

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Speaker 1: This was one of the scariest things I've ever done,

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Speaker 1: one of the hardest things I've ever done. I'm fifty

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Speaker 1: one years old. It is the longest I've ever exercised

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Speaker 1: in my lifetime, So to say that I've done that

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Speaker 1: at fifty one is kind of crazy. But I thought,

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Speaker 1: be about. And so the Rim to Rim to Rim

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Speaker 1: run just finished. It went there with a friend. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've been talking about potentially doing this for years. I

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Speaker 1: he said we should do it, and I said, listen,

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Speaker 1: No more talking, it's COVID, there are no races. Uh,

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Speaker 1: this is pretty much, you know, one of the few

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Speaker 1: And well and behold, he booked everything and I had

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Speaker 1: you want to be entertained at my expense, this is

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Speaker 1: an amazing experience that I hope you'll enjoy. So when

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Speaker 1: we come back, quick break, uh, quick fun race report.

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Speaker 1: My experience running across the Grand Canyon and back two

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Speaker 1: Rim to Rim. I have never been to the Grand Canyon.

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Speaker 1: done several ultras in my lifetime. And ultra marathon, for

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Speaker 1: the run up poly Acola I've talked about before, incredible

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Speaker 1: that was totally unique to me. Never done anything like this,

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Speaker 1: possible so that you don't have anything surprising during the

429
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Speaker 1: event itself. Sometimes that's possible, sometimes it isn't, and sometimes

430
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Speaker 1: you go, you know what, I'm okay with trying this out,

431
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 1: and only the truly experienced should kind of take that

432
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: chance with certain things. But the polls no big deal,

433
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,679
Speaker 1: right And by the way, I could strap them on

434
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Speaker 1: my pack if I didn't want the they fold up.

435
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 1: They're amazing, and I was kind of excited to use them,

436
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,399
Speaker 1: all right, So the fear sat back and said, okay,

437
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: good to go. I'm kind of excited because I haven't

438
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: felt this nervous in a really long time. Set the

439
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Speaker 1: alarm clock to thirty am to thirty am. Oh it

440
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: went to bed. By the way, here's the other great

441
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: thing overlooked going from Connecticut to Arizona. This is the

442
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: perfect time change. Perfect. So six am flight, we get there, drive,

443
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Speaker 1: We're three hours behind now, so when I go to

444
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Speaker 1: bed at seven thirty, I usually go to bed much later.

445
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,040
Speaker 1: It's about ten o'clock at home, right ten thirty, and

446
00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 1: so I get up at two. Not too bad. I

447
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: get some good sleep, which is rare. So flying West

448
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,600
Speaker 1: worked out perfectly as far as starting in the dark,

449
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: and we started in the dark, so woke up to

450
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Speaker 1: thirty am. Alarm goes off. I'm excited. I'm feeling good.

451
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: Body feels good again. I haven't trained, overtrained, there's no

452
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: nagging injuries or anything. But the nagging question too is

453
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: did I do enough? Is that one or for most

454
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: people that's not even gonna be close to enough. I

455
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:13,719
Speaker 1: also have years of racing and years of training, and

456
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: that has not talked about enough, and I've talked about

457
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,600
Speaker 1: it in another podcasts. You have a base of strength,

458
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 1: and that's why when pro triathletes and runners and other

459
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: pro athletes talk about what they do after and you

460
00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: don't need to do that much, they are right. But

461
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 1: they also have a base. So in other words, when

462
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Speaker 1: you put in all that work, I would argue, and

463
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,920
Speaker 1: my experience has been it pays off that you shouldn't

464
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: do as much. Now your goals are different. You're not

465
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,479
Speaker 1: going as fast. But my goal is to enjoy it

466
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:45,320
Speaker 1: and to complete it. To enjoy it and to complete it,

467
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: that's it. I don't care how fast I go, and

468
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 1: don't let me throw on and not get hurt during

469
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Speaker 1: And that was a huge part two when it came

470
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Speaker 1: to pacing and not caring how fast I went. All right,

471
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 1: So wake up, have those two cups of oatmeal again, perfect,

472
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,720
Speaker 1: you know, simple, more carbs in the morning, top off

473
00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 1: the fuel tank and getting ready to go. Now, chafing

474
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 1: for anyone who's done a long event is a huge issue.

475
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: So I body glide. That's a specific type of product

476
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: that you use my entire you know, every area where

477
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 1: you think you're gonna chafe, the body glide goes. And

478
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: that's huge because chafing is just you don't want that

479
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: friction and you can minimize it and almost you know,

480
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Speaker 1: avoid it completely if you do this correctly. So body glide, up,

481
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Speaker 1: some coffee, the oatmeal, and get dressed. Now what am

482
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: I gonna wear? It's forty degrees but it's gonna get

483
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,679
Speaker 1: up to eight. So I was in shorts. I was

484
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: in a T shirt that was kind of a performance type,

485
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: performance fiber, and then arm warmers, so arm warmers that

486
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,119
Speaker 1: roll up and then I can roll them down or

487
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:56,919
Speaker 1: take them off. So it's kind of a long sleeve

488
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: shirt of sorts, you know, with the T shirt and

489
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: the arm warmers, and then I put a thin shirt over.

490
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: Now stepped outside and said, you know what, I'm probably

491
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: gonna take this shirt off and just run in the

492
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,479
Speaker 1: T shirt pretty quickly because you're gonna drop into the

493
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Speaker 1: canyon and the temperature warms up quickly. So not wearing

494
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Speaker 1: a lot T shirt, arm warmer's thin longsleeve shirt over

495
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 1: performance fiber, and that's it with the shorts. But I

496
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: got everything in the pack, the colder weather jacket if

497
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 1: I need that, and so that's going to be good

498
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Speaker 1: to go as well. All right, let's get into this.

499
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: Let's get into it. So jump in the car with Bill.

500
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Speaker 1: Drive to the canyon. We're close, about fifteen minutes away.

501
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: We left at three ft. Goal was to be running

502
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Speaker 1: by four am. We were out at I've never been

503
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,440
Speaker 1: scared like that in that way. When we started. It's

504
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: pitch dark, Bills in great shape. Bill is an ultra

505
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: runner Bills younger, he trained more, and he's gone, not

506
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: totally gone, but you know we're gonna We're gonna basically

507
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,160
Speaker 1: run alone and that will be a theme as I

508
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 1: go along. But we're standing at the top, we start

509
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: the watches and we go. Now. The only saving grace

510
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 1: to me right then was that I couldn't see the

511
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: sides of the cliff. I couldn't see what I was,

512
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, running down. I just focused on the trail,

513
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: which was very narrow, and any of you who have

514
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 1: walked it, no, it is super exposed. So one wrong

515
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: step and you're in trouble and you're super high. You know,

516
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 1: you're you're starting at and you're dropping. So Bill and

517
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: I are running, and I am using all my mental

518
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 1: tips and tricks and things I've learned over the years

519
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: just to stay focused. And so I literally just focused

520
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 1: on the trail ahead of me, didn't think what was

521
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: to the side, and just ran. And it was hard

522
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: because you're going down, so it's not going fast. And

523
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: Bill is true ultra runners, it's a technique. It is

524
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: so unique. You know, it's nothing like running on the roads,

525
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: especially when you're descending, you're using polls. I was going

526
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 1: much slower. I also, by the way, have one week

527
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,440
Speaker 1: link when it comes to running on trails like that.

528
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:23,880
Speaker 1: I rolled my ankles like crazy and woods and I

529
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 1: must have fallen fifteen times, twenty times. So my goal

530
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 1: was to not do that. Because you roll your ankle,

531
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: you can still run. And I've done it many times

532
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 1: even though it hurts. You know, if you haven't really

533
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: hurt yourself, it's just rolling it. And those of you

534
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 1: who have done it experienced it. So my goal was

535
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Speaker 1: not to do that slow pace, slow pace. So we ran.

536
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 1: He was up ahead, and he would stop periodically, but

537
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: by and large I would be running for an hour,

538
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 1: then I would catch up to him, he'd wait, and

539
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: then we take off again. And that three hours in

540
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Speaker 1: the dark unning down the Grand Canyon, just us, no

541
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:08,600
Speaker 1: one else by head lamp was amazing and it was frightening,

542
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: and it was truly testing me in a way that

543
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: I haven't been tested before. And all the time I'm thinking,

544
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: I gotta pace myself. This is just the start, this

545
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: is just the start. But as we're going to I

546
00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 1: am reminding myself how amazing this is, how amazing that

547
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: I have the ability to get there, and enjoy this

548
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: and do this, and I'm healthy enough and to experience

549
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 1: the Grand Canyon in this unique way amazing. So we

550
00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: did that for like ten miles. Now the whole way,

551
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: I am hydrating. You have these special tubes that come off,

552
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: So you have a tube that comes off that two

553
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: leader water comes across your chest. You put it right

554
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: in your mouth. Every ten minutes or so, I am

555
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: drinking that every five or ten minutes. I'm taking some

556
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: sports drink as well. Every forty five minutes or so.

557
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: I am taking a goo, so a couple hundred calories

558
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 1: hundred calories every forty five minutes, and hydrating and gatorade periodically.

559
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: I have to front load to get across and enjoy

560
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 1: this and get back. And it was spectacular. And about

561
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: seven am, the sun comes up and Bill is waiting

562
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: and watch as the Grand Canyon woke up. And it

563
00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: was one of the most amazing, amazing experiences, one of

564
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: the most incredible surroundings. And I've been in amazing places

565
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: so to see because it's been pitch dark, haven't seen again,

566
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: thank goodness. As I was running down and now you

567
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 1: can see what you've been running through, and it was amazing.

568
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 1: Again for those of you have been there, this was

569
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: my first time. And now I'm down in it and incredible, incredible,

570
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 1: all right, So now we're going, We're into it. We're

571
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: ten miles in and I'm feeling good. And by the way,

572
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: I keep checking my body. The goal is to be

573
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: in the moment. I'm never thinking ahead, and I am

574
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 1: just thankful that the body feels as good as it does.

575
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: And I was shocked at how good. Now Again, the

576
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: question is, well, do you feel that good because you

577
00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: haven't trained that much. That's part of it. But I'm

578
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: you know, I've been running downhill, which is brutal on

579
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: the legs, by the way. You know, the downhills and

580
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: the up hills just you gotta be you know, they

581
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 1: shred your legs, and you know, super hard, super slow going.

582
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: I would much rather run faster on flat than slower

583
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: up and down, just really hard. So we're running, and

584
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: now Bill is in charge of navigation. We talked about

585
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: how we're gonna stay on this bright Angel trail, by

586
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 1: the way, and he's way ahead and there's a fork

587
00:33:53,360 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: in the road. I can go one way or the other,

588
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at that sign and I'm cursing myself

589
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: out because stupid. And I'll admit it, right, you should

590
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: never do uh an event like that and not know

591
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: exactly the route. Now again, it was a very simple route.

592
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: This would be the only true fork in the road.

593
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: But it was a fork in the road, and I

594
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: have no sense of direction, and given two choices, I'm

595
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 1: going to make the wrong one, and so I am

596
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 1: cursing myself. I'm staring at that sign, and then all

597
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: of a sudden I looked down and there's a rock

598
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: formation pointing to the right, an arrow. There are rocks

599
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: in the form of an arrow pointing to the right,

600
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: and I thought, oh my gosh, Bill has left me

601
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,799
Speaker 1: an arrow. And then I thought, well, maybe it's not Bill,

602
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: and I thought it's gotta be Bill. There's no one,

603
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: you know, there's a couple other people out there, I'm sure,

604
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: and we ended up seeing people. But he left me

605
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: a rock arrow. So off I go, and sure enough,

606
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: as I saw him later, he confirmed that he left

607
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,320
Speaker 1: the arrow for me. But note to all of you again,

608
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: don't do as I do, and if you are challenged directionally,

609
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: have the map with you. Um I did not so

610
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: laughed that I you know, hadn't seen the rocks right

611
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: away because it was a big formation. But off I go,

612
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 1: all right, and again, I am just loving every second

613
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: and I'm loving that it's not a race that I

614
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: don't care about time. And that's point number three in

615
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:28,720
Speaker 1: this whole race report lesson is that we are so

616
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: tied up and what other people think. You know, when

617
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: people do marathons and whatever the event is, you know

618
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: what other people are going to think about what you did.

619
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: And this, you know, it sounds selfish to say it's

620
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: not about anyone else but you. It's your time, and

621
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: it's your suffering, and it's your learning about yourself. And

622
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: so I couldn't care less what my finishing time was.

623
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 1: And it's taken a long time to get there. Yes,

624
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: I raced, you know, years ago, and there's certain times

625
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: when I care, but it's it's a totally different now.

626
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: And I talked about this with Dean car Nazis and

627
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: when I interviewed him, and it is one of the

628
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: most freeing things when you truly get to that point

629
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: when you don't care what other people think. And again,

630
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: it sounds like it's a selfish thing and self centered,

631
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: but it's absolutely the opposite. It's that this is for you.

632
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: And there were moments super spiritual, by the way, and

633
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 1: that's personally or for another show, but it's about being

634
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:40,839
Speaker 1: in the moment, enjoying every step, looking around at where

635
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: I was. You know, I used to do, you know,

636
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: be in the races in like New Zealand and South

637
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 1: Korea and China, amazing locations, and I would just notice

638
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 1: the people who we're racing and not you know, truly

639
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 1: enjoying the moment. And I get it and enjoying the surroundings.

640
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 1: But they're not mutually exclusive. They're not. You can enjoy

641
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 1: it and take it in now. I was doing that

642
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: at a different level. I was taking some pictures and

643
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,800
Speaker 1: slowing down. But who cares? Is my point? Who cares?

644
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: Enjoy it now? My only stressor, I should say, was

645
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 1: that Bill and I and I'm surprised we didn't have

646
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 1: the conversation that he should just go ahead. So at

647
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: that point, about halfway across the Grand Canyon for the

648
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,560
Speaker 1: first leg, I just wanted to catch up to him

649
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,720
Speaker 1: and tell him to go to not wait any longer.

650
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:33,840
Speaker 1: You know. He would wait at certain water stops and

651
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: things like that, and that was the only stressor everything

652
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 1: else was just amazing. And I was constantly checking my

653
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: body and being thankful that it was responding so well.

654
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: All right, at miles seventeen, get to a water station

655
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: and there's Bill or no, I'm sorry he wasn't there.

656
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: The people told me that he had just left and

657
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: that he had waited around but was getting cold, so

658
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: that again, a little stressed, I wanted him to that

659
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: he should go ahead. So now we're climbing to the

660
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: north room. We started on the south rim. Now we're

661
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: climbing to the north. He's ahead of me, and that's

662
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: up at so that's gonna be altitude. So it was brutal,

663
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,879
Speaker 1: and that's where you start to question. This was super hard.

664
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 1: A mile is so slow going when you're climbing to

665
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: feet as quickly as we were, and so this is

666
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: where you start to question and think can I get back?

667
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: And again I just kept checking my body. I was fueling.

668
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: I was going, this is this is gonna be fine.

669
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna finish. I don't have to rush. I don't

670
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: have a time, not trying to qualify for the way

671
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 1: iron man, I'm not trying to break three hours from

672
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: here I'm just here to enjoy it, and it was

673
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: so special. I truly love this whole ultra running for

674
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: that reason is that it really takes the focus off that.

675
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: So as I'm suffering on the way up, sure enough,

676
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: here comes Bill on his way down, which I expected,

677
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,280
Speaker 1: and it was such a freeing moment. We stopped quickly,

678
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:59,359
Speaker 1: you know, checked in with each other. He was looking great,

679
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: and I said, Bill, go, I will see you at

680
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 1: the finish. I will see you at the finish. And

681
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 1: that was the final weight lifted off me. And it

682
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: wasn't a huge one because I knew, you know, deep down,

683
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 1: that he was doing his thing, obviously, but I wanted

684
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: to have that final conversation where I wanted him to

685
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:17,840
Speaker 1: know he should just go. Not that he wouldn't have anyway,

686
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: but he didn't have to wait around the way he was.

687
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 1: And so now I'm good to go, and now I'm suffering.

688
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: So that final climb to the North Rim brutal, so

689
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: slow going got to the top. It is so windy

690
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: and cold, the temperature changes, the environment changes. For those

691
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: of you who haven't been to the Grand Canyon, incredible.

692
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: Every thousand feet it's different, and it was just amazing.

693
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: So got to the top first time. I'm like, okay,

694
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: I'm suffering. You know, I'm still feeling good. By the way,

695
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 1: there's such a difference. So I didn't have I hadn't fallen,

696
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: hadn't twisted my ankle. There was no major issues. Was

697
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 1: I tired? Yeah? Was the altitude like really? I could

698
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:04,359
Speaker 1: feel it absolutely? But that's okay. And here's what number

699
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 1: are we on? Takeaway number four? I think is the

700
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 1: most incredible lesson you learn, and I've said this on

701
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: other shows from doing these events, is that no matter

702
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 1: how bad you feel at one point, you can feel

703
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: incredible later on. And that's counterintuitive, that doesn't make sense.

704
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: So you think I just made it across. I have

705
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: to go back. So I'm twenty some odd miles in.

706
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: I gotta go back, but I feel like garbage as

707
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: far as just the altitude, and you know, bodies, you

708
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: know there's no major issues. But this is challenging. But

709
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: I know because I've been there that I can feel

710
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: even better. So you don't pack it in. You don't

711
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:53,279
Speaker 1: start the negative self talk. Listen to my podcast on

712
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: self talk. You don't start that. I had positive self

713
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: talk talk the entire time, and it is a it

714
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 1: is an art and something you need to practice. And

715
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: I I am amazed at how it has changed for

716
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: me over the years that during this event, keeping the

717
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: negative thoughts out of my head, it was easier than

718
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 1: it's ever been before in one of the most challenging

719
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: tasks I've taken than ever before. And that was practice

720
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: and that self efficacy and this way I talked about

721
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 1: on Fitness Disrupted and that will be the takeaway too,

722
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: about challenging yourself how you learn and it sounds so

723
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: simple and so common sensical, but you have to experience it.

724
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: I'm not superman. And by the way, I ran by

725
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,720
Speaker 1: and and got passed by probably fifteen other people doing

726
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 1: this run. A bunch of women incredibly fit, some solo,

727
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: some in you know, groups of two pairs of two,

728
00:41:55,680 --> 00:41:57,840
Speaker 1: and one group of four or five, which blew me

729
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: away that they could stay together for that long. I

730
00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: mean Bill and I stayed together for ten seconds. So

731
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 1: we're not superman or superwomen. We've just learned. And so

732
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: that is such an incredible takeaway. And it goes for

733
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:20,399
Speaker 1: life that you're going through tough times and you think

734
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,840
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, like you're a teenager. It's the

735
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: be all end all. You cannot see the light at

736
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. And not only is there

737
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,879
Speaker 1: a light at the end of the tunnel, but it's

738
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: even better than you think as far as how you

739
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:37,240
Speaker 1: can feel. And again it's counterintuitive. It doesn't make sense

740
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 1: you shouldn't feel better at mile forty then you did

741
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 1: a mile. But that's exactly how it played out for

742
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: me and has so many times. But if you let

743
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 1: the negative talk take over, you're finished. That's why at

744
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: the end of every podcast I talk about controlling our attitudes,

745
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,279
Speaker 1: because that is everything. All right, had the cliff bar

746
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:00,360
Speaker 1: first time I've had solids. It felt like rocket fuel.

747
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: I get off that rim and I say, okay, now

748
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,400
Speaker 1: I'm running home. And as crazy as it sounds like,

749
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: I used to do the marathons where you get to okay,

750
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: it's six more miles for this one, I got to

751
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: ish and I said, okay, now I just gotta go back.

752
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 1: And that was the way to chunk it. Mentally, that

753
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:21,840
Speaker 1: really worked for me and not surprised even me. I

754
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, I'm basically saying I just

755
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 1: have to do another marathon and I'm done, but that

756
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: was okay. Mentally, I was going home. I was going back,

757
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: and our mental framing and reframing is everything, all right,

758
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: So going back down, feeling good, getting off that foot altitude,

759
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: and I'm going back and yeah, I'm getting tired, but

760
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm shocked at how I haven't fallen, which is remarkable.

761
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: But I'm going slowly and I'm fueling and I'm pacing,

762
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,240
Speaker 1: and I'm using all the mental tips. I'm enjoying the moment.

763
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,800
Speaker 1: I'm looking around saying this is insane, how incredible that

764
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm here. And then I'm healthy enough to do this,

765
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: and I'm fifty one again. I'm pretty sure I was

766
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: the oldest one out there doing the rim to rim,

767
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: at least on that day. But they're older people than

768
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:21,720
Speaker 1: me as well. I know some of you have reached

769
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: out and said, stop talking about being old at fifty one.

770
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 1: You're right, You're right, all right. So home stretch to go,

771
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: and I'm feeling good again because the one weight that

772
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,040
Speaker 1: I had about, you know, feeling bad that Bill was waiting.

773
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 1: Now I don't have to worry about that. Now I

774
00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: can just go. And we should have had that conversation

775
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 1: and if you ever do something like this or with

776
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 1: a friend anything, have that conversation makes a difference mentally

777
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: should so running, running, enjoying beautiful, taking pictures. And now

778
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm getting tired. Thirty some miles in, you're starting getting

779
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: a little goofy. So making sure to stay on top

780
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: of the hydration, to can in the gels every forty

781
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: five minutes or so. Taken in my salt because cramping

782
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: not something I want to have happen. Talked about that

783
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: on prior episodes. We'll talk about that more big believer

784
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: in salt to prevent cramping. At least for me and

785
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: my experience, it has worked. Wonders. The one thing that

786
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: I can definitively say in all my years of endurance

787
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: races that has made a remarkable difference is the salt.

788
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 1: And then I'm running down a trail. It's beautiful, We're

789
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: getting closer to sunset, but it's hot. It's about eighty

790
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: degrees about an hour or so before sunset, and rattlesnake

791
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,240
Speaker 1: right in the middle of the trail. Rattlesnake nearly stepped

792
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: on it. It's kind of excited that I saw rattlesnake.

793
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: Never seen one before it scampers off and I was

794
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: going to UH. I didn't say that. I brought headphones

795
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: with me, And it was a question if I would

796
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 1: listen to music at any point. No, I said, there's

797
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 1: no way. As much as I love music, I need

798
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: to have all my faculties about me, especially if there's

799
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: rattlesnakes and there's other wildlife in the canyon. Obviously, no,

800
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: no music. So now completely alone. This has been amazing.

801
00:46:04,920 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: The body is good, and I'm getting ready to have

802
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: the final stretch, which is gonna be night, and this

803
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: is going to be challenging. And I realized that I

804
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: thought I would potentially finish before the sunset. I had

805
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: no idea. There's uncharted waders. I hope that I would

806
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 1: finish before there was no chance. And so now I'm

807
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: getting nervous again because now I'm on my own, it's

808
00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 1: gonna be dark. I'm gonna be really fatigued, and I'm

809
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: going up and I'm on that cliff, you know, on

810
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 1: the side, really exposed, and I'm all by myself, and

811
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: I am praying that the batteries on my head lamp

812
00:46:43,280 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: don't die. Now I got backups, thank goodness, But that's it.

813
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: And so I'm reframing again and I'm thinking, like, is

814
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: this not everest? I feel good, the weather is perfect,

815
00:46:56,000 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: So I'm constantly reminding myself of what's good. And the

816
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,359
Speaker 1: final takeaway before I, you know, wrap it all up,

817
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: is what I did at that time and throughout the

818
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 1: entire run, was remind myself of all of my worries

819
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: and fears that it was gonna snow, that it was

820
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna be too cold, that I was going to fall

821
00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: off the side, that my legs were going to be

822
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: shredded early on, that I you know, it was gonna

823
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:24,800
Speaker 1: feel like garbage, all of these things that were worries

824
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: that I thought of, And then I put aside all

825
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 1: of the things. And it was a long list that

826
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 1: could have gone wrong. They didn't. And that's how I'm

827
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: gonna bring it all together in a second, I promise.

828
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: So let's just go to nightfall. It's night and now

829
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,279
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I got three hours. Most likely I'm

830
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: doing the math now because I'm climbing out and it

831
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: is so slow going and I'm tired and I'm just

832
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:02,279
Speaker 1: beating up, but I'm good and again didn't fall. I'm fatigued,

833
00:48:03,280 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: but I know I can finish. I just have to

834
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: keep moving forward. Slow is still moving forward. And when

835
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: you don't have a finishing time and your goal is

836
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 1: just to finish and your goal is to enjoy it,

837
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: then you go. But I was just praying that that

838
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: head lamp was good. And by the way, the winds

839
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: started picking up early on we had gust up tour

840
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 1: and that got scary because now it's dark and I've

841
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: got the head lamp and I'm tired, and I got

842
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:41,920
Speaker 1: three hours climbing out. But again I would say to myself,

843
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 1: this isn't everest. Other people have done this, and that

844
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: was a constant refrain by the way other people have

845
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,839
Speaker 1: done this. Other people have done this. If they can

846
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: do it, so can I. You've got to remind yourself

847
00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,399
Speaker 1: of that. And I've used that for iron Man's when

848
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Speaker 1: so can I, and so can you. But I have

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Speaker 1: I thought, you know what, it's not that cold. I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I have it if I need it, But I don't

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Speaker 1: want to stop, because truly the legs were starting to

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Speaker 1: give out. I was really tired. I'm forty some odd

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Speaker 1: to the finish, just keep moving forward. And that was

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Speaker 1: some crazy challenging times and that final to one five

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Speaker 1: one mile to go, an eternity, an eternity, And now

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Speaker 1: the rains start coming down harder and it was getting cold,

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Speaker 1: and about one point five miles from the finish, I said,

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Speaker 1: just gonna keep going. I'm good, like, yeah, it's getting cold,

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Speaker 1: but slowing down, stopping, I'm gonna be colder. I got,

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Speaker 1: you know, who knows how long to get back out

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Speaker 1: But I'm gonna keep moving. I'm gonna keep moving. And

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Speaker 1: long story short or not so short. All of a sudden,

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Speaker 1: because you don't really see where the top is, it's

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Speaker 1: dark and you're by yourself, and I pop around a

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Speaker 1: corner because it's switched backs all the way up and

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Speaker 1: there's a head lamp and a couple other people and

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Speaker 1: one of the people says, you know hi, I say

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Speaker 1: hi back, and then the other person with the headlamp

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Speaker 1: says hey, and I say hey back, and he said hey,

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Speaker 1: it's me, and I woke up in its bill. He

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Speaker 1: had come back. He had finished ahead of me, long

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Speaker 1: long ahead of me, had gone act checked into the

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Speaker 1: hotel which was just you know what, a ways away

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Speaker 1: walking and came back, which was amazing. And the feeling

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Speaker 1: of completion and just having done yet another incredibly challenging

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Speaker 1: physical and mental and more mental was It's the greatest feeling.

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Speaker 1: And we need to challenge ourselves. And to have had

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Speaker 1: at fifty one that experience the longest sixteen some odd hours.

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Speaker 1: By the way, I gotta look, my watch died, by

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Speaker 1: the way, two miles from the finish. That's how long

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Speaker 1: it took, fully charged garment died. Incredible and I haven't

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Speaker 1: been that tired and fatigued in years. And that's what

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Speaker 1: it was all about. So final point, it about challenging yourself.

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Speaker 1: It's about collecting experiences. I don't care about the material stuff.

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Speaker 1: Couldn't care less. It's that experience I just had with

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Speaker 1: an amazing guy, Bill, like, no better person to do

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Speaker 1: this with, and to have challenged myself at this age

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Speaker 1: to do something that again was more than I've done

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Speaker 1: in my lifetime as far as moving and exercise and

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Speaker 1: you know, just crazy. And it's about the anxiety and

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Speaker 1: the worry, and that's what I want to leave you with.

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00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: It's all worthless. Worry is worthless and anxiety. So we

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Speaker 1: want to control what we can, so I end every

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Speaker 1: episode it's the perfect way to end this one, and

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Speaker 1: then you let the other stuff go. So I had

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Speaker 1: my head lamp, I had my food, I had my nutrition,

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Speaker 1: I planned, should have known the route, things like that.

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Speaker 1: But worry is worthless, anxiety about something that might happen.

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Speaker 1: And that was what was so powerful during the run,

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Speaker 1: is to go over those things in my head and

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Speaker 1: remind myself that they didn't. So what's the point. Think

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Speaker 1: of all the times you worried about something that didn't happen,

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Speaker 1: and then if it did, did you get through it?

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Speaker 1: Was it remotely as bad as you thought? No? And

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Speaker 1: I didn't think I could be nervous the way I

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Speaker 1: was nervous for this and those last three miles in

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Speaker 1: the rain and the cold, you know, forty eight miles

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Speaker 1: whatever it was to the finished, you know, deep into

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Speaker 1: the forties of high forties and mileage. I should say this,

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Speaker 1: by the way, you're probably thinking, what, why didn't you

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Speaker 1: get My watch was completely wrong? As I I alluded

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Speaker 1: to that, you know, fifty six miles it showed and

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Speaker 1: it died to two miles early it was somewhere around fifty.

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Speaker 1: But in other words, I couldn't really look at my

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Speaker 1: watch to know where I was. Yes, at the end,

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Speaker 1: there was finally a sign that said three miles and

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Speaker 1: then one point five, but that's part of this whole

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Speaker 1: journey as well. You are just in the moment. When

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Speaker 1: I do other races where it's marked, I try not

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Speaker 1: to look at the mile markers. I don't care. I

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Speaker 1: just want to know how I feel at that moment.

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Speaker 1: Now you may say, well, that's stupid. You have to

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Speaker 1: fuel yourself, and I have a plan. I'm still going

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Speaker 1: to take in my nutrition every forty five minutes. I'm

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Speaker 1: still gonna take in my hydration. That's not going to

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Speaker 1: really change. So I'm working backwards. But when I felt

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Speaker 1: the way I did at the top of the North

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Speaker 1: Rim halfway across, and then thirty miles in, I'm feeling great.

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Speaker 1: I'm feeling better. I ran more on the way back

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Speaker 1: was pacing, and a huge part of that was that

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Speaker 1: I felt better thirty miles in that I did twenty

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Speaker 1: And so that's what this is all about. Did this

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Speaker 1: race report too hopefully entertain you a little bit, but

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Speaker 1: also just to show you and tell you that the

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Speaker 1: human body is capable of so much more than you think.

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Speaker 1: That anxiety and and worry is meaningless, accomplishes nothing, and

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Speaker 1: that we need to challenge ourselves, need to be frightened

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Speaker 1: about your goals. And that's where self efficacy and confidence

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Speaker 1: comes from, is constantly challenging ourselves and getting that confidence

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Speaker 1: that you can get through it. If you don't take chances,

951
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Speaker 1: you don't get that confidence and you don't get to

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Speaker 1: experience incredible things. I mean, I've always said how blessed

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Speaker 1: I am that my job is not just helping people

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Speaker 1: will look better, feel better, live longer, but to put

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Speaker 1: it into practice myself and to travel and to prove

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Speaker 1: that you know you gotta walk the walk as well.

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Speaker 1: And so that's it. Collect experiences. We have one life,

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Speaker 1: you know, go for it, get out there, challenge yourself.

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Speaker 1: I want to thank Bill Osane, my partner uh in crime,

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Speaker 1: for this race. Amazing, put the whole thing together. Even

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Speaker 1: had by the way, not only you know, finished before

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Speaker 1: me checked us into our rooms, but he had a

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Speaker 1: piece of pizza and a cheeseburger waiting for me in

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Speaker 1: my room. That was the greatest piece of pizza and

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Speaker 1: the greatest cheeseburger I've ever eaten in my lifetime. I

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Speaker 1: hope you enjoyed this, and again I just want to

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Speaker 1: say that you can accomplish so much more than you think.

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Speaker 1: That has been my job for years decades now, helping

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Speaker 1: people do that, and that is what this show is

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Speaker 1: all about. All right off, thank you for listening. I

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Speaker 1: am Tom Holland and if you have not yet rated

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Speaker 1: the show, please do so. Obviously this one was longer.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't complain about the length this was. This is

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Speaker 1: not a you know show with you know, specific studies

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Speaker 1: and things like that. A little different. I want to

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Speaker 1: mix it up for you, and that's what it's all

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Speaker 1: about too. Uh Some science some stories, some interviews, a

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. You know, I hesitated to

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Speaker 1: do a race report, but I know that you can

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Speaker 1: learn from it and hopefully be inspired and get out

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Speaker 1: there and do things that you didn't think you are

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Speaker 1: capable of because you are. There are three things we

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Speaker 1: can control, how much we move, what we put into

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Speaker 1: our mouth, and our attitudes, and that is awesome. I'm

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Speaker 1: Tom Holland this is Fitness Disrupted, Believe in Yourself. Fitness

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