1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:24,639 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 4 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:26,720 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: name is Nol, my name has been your you. And 6 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: when all of us joined forces together, that makes this 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 1: stuff they don't want you to know. It basically formed 8 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: like Vultron. I'm the hack a Vultra, a shadowy Vultron 9 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 1: that would appear on the X Files. And today we're 10 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: going to talk about, uh, something historical, something obscure, something 11 00:00:50,760 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: that might be related to UFOs. And as you guys know, 12 00:00:53,680 --> 00:00:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm really excited every time we can check out one 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: of these episodes. Something that was made into a film 14 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:05,120 Speaker 1: in the two thousands, well has a title. This is 15 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: something that has always bugged me and probably bugs a 16 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: lot of other people as well, when they say the 17 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:14,399 Speaker 1: following events are the following motion picture is based on 18 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: actual events, right like Chainsaw Massacre is based on ed 19 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,759 Speaker 1: Gain I believe his name was, but very very very 20 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: very very very loosely and the fact that they had 21 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: a lot of barbecue in Texas. Oh boy, with those 22 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: two things combined, they made the Vultron of movies. That is, 23 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: how do we miss that in the cannibalism episode? That 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: was that's a good point. This this time, what we're 25 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: talking about occurs in two in the wee hours February. 26 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: Technically it's the twenty five February one am in l 27 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: A air raid sirens sound across Los Angeles County, and 28 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: this was a signal for what was initially taken to 29 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: be an attack by Japanese air forces. Yeah, an attack 30 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: over a populated area. So the authorities they order to 31 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: blackout through the entire or most of the county in 32 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: that area to reduce visibility for bombers precisely. Now, if 33 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: I'm a bomber going over, I can't see exactly where 34 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm going now, or at least not as easily. So. 35 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: Then at three sixteen in the morning, the thirty seventh 36 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Coast Artillery Brigade began firing fifty caliber machine guns and 37 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 1: twelve point eight pound anti aircraft shells into the air 38 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,839 Speaker 1: at reported aircraft. The artillery fire continued into the night, 39 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 1: well morning, rather the wee hours. Let's say, almost fift 40 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: hundred shells were fired, so pilots from the fourth Interceptor 41 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 1: Command were alerted. Is very important, but their aircraft remained 42 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: on the grounds. After about an hour of this intense 43 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: shelling that Knolls described, the all clear was sounded, the 44 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: blackout order was lifted. It was seven tw one in 45 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: the morning. This is a crazy day. What's that about, right, 46 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:13,400 Speaker 1: that's that's me. That's me, you know, awakened by this 47 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: heavy artillery fire, and then you wake up in the 48 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: morning and it's like nothing to see here? What what's 49 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: going on? Moving on? We're gonna get into it, but 50 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: the tensions are super high for even civilians who were 51 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: just living there in that area. And we'll get into why. 52 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, you can imagine this would be a terrifying 53 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:33,239 Speaker 1: moment being in your house as you're hearing this overhead. 54 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: I probably downpladed a little bit. It would be a 55 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: little more than what's that? Yeah, I don't know, you know, 56 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: when that when that latest how unfortunate it is to 57 00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: say it this way. When that latest string of failed 58 00:03:47,200 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: coordinated bombings occurred in New York, when that dumpster exploded 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: and Chelsea, a lot of the New Yorkers interviewed were 60 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, and they're closing down the road. I 61 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: got stuff to do. You know that buddy of mine 62 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: was at into Noble a couple of blocks away and 63 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,440 Speaker 1: said he just thought it was thunder, didn't think anything 64 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, then imagine that happening above your head approximately, 65 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: you know, hundreds and thousands of times. Right, sounds exactly. 66 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: So let's look at the aftermath. So wake up seven 67 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,239 Speaker 1: one am. You know, the lights are back on. People 68 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: are wandering out to work checking damage. Several vehicles and 69 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: buildings were damaged by fragments, but shell fragments from the 70 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: anti aircraft shelves, not wreckage from some aircraft. And there 71 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 1: were people who died, but luckily less than you the 72 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 1: less than you would think according to the official story. Yeah, 73 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: because of the blackouts, there were still vehicles on the road, 74 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: and there were I believe three car accidents or at 75 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: least three fatalities involved with car accidents. And there were 76 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: also a few fatal heart attacks or something something really 77 00:04:57,120 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: with the heart to heart attacks. Yeah, the incident was 78 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: front page news along the U. S. Specific coast. They 79 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 1: earned some mass media coverage throughout the nation and laguer 80 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: days and then people were asking exactly what you said, 81 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: you like, what happened? What? What? What the hell? Guys? 82 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: You know, it's three in the morning, And they went 83 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: to Uncle Sam So, the secretary of the Navy at 84 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 1: the time, a guy called Frank Knox held the press 85 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: conference um and the message delivered to those in attendance 86 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: was that this had been a false alarm due to 87 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:41,080 Speaker 1: anxiety and war nerves. Nerves. Yeah, well sure, war nerves, 88 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: because thank you, I like that sound a lot. But 89 00:05:46,279 --> 00:05:49,279 Speaker 1: this was contradicted by the Army the next day in 90 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: a statement relaying General George C. Marshall's belief that the 91 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: incident may have been caused by commercial planes, airplanes that 92 00:05:56,640 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: were being used as some kind of psychological warfare campaigning 93 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: to generate panic amongst the citizens. Yeah, the Army initially 94 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: stated there were possibly five light enemy aircraft launched from 95 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: secret bases within California, Mexico or from offshore submarines. Furthermore, 96 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: there were thousands of on the ground witnesses, along with 97 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: what would become a notorious photograph, and as we said, 98 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: inevitably media began to pick up the story. Some contemporary 99 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: press outlets suspected a cover up in the Long Beach Independent, 100 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: The editor wrote, as a mysterious reticence about the whole 101 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: of fan it seems that some form a census ship 102 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: is trying to halt discussion on the matter. Say yeah, 103 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: I don't think you said see at the end. But 104 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: speculation was rampant, and there were several different theories about this, right, So, 105 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 1: needless to say, there was a whole lot of speculation 106 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: going on because these different statements didn't really give the 107 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: general public gole hell of a lot to go on, 108 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: especially from two of the major military arms that are 109 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: giving conflicting stuff, totally contradictory, and just the idea that 110 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: something of this magnitude could happen, you know, as a 111 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 1: result of nerves, that's pretty terrifying in and of itself. 112 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:15,640 Speaker 1: That would not put me, uh in a very good 113 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: state of mind, when, as you know, Pearl Harbor had 114 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: happened not terribly long before this, so people were probably 115 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: already a little on edge about the potential of that 116 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: happening again, um under the cover of night, and then 117 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: the fact that their own government isn't giving them much 118 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: actual information. I do not think that created a particularly 119 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 1: confident public. The speculation wasn't something relegated to the fringes 120 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: of society. You know, it wasn't some group of people 121 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 1: gathered in smoky room with one line around them going 122 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: I don't think the story was true. It's like the 123 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: l a Times, It's like the the newspapers of note. 124 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: And so what were some of these theories, What was 125 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: some of the speculation, some of these music things, yes, 126 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: some of these music I will I will play this 127 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 1: reindeer game. First, there were theories, as we mentioned, about 128 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 1: stuff like a secret base in northern Mexico, so not 129 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: in the US but on the continent, right, because logically 130 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: be very difficult to smuggle in the requisite hardware to 131 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,320 Speaker 1: create a secret military base. But that was an idea, 132 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: wasn't it. And that was one of the ideas yet. 133 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: And then there is something else, the idea that there 134 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: were Japanese submarines stationed off shore with the capability of 135 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 1: carrying planes, which sounds so from a technological standpoint, amazing, right, 136 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,959 Speaker 1: But as you can imagine, it's still pretty difficult to do. 137 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 1: And that was compounded by the fact that a Japanese 138 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: submarine did surface off the Pacific earlier before, so people 139 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: were pretty spooked about it. Others speculated that the incident 140 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: was either staged or exaggerated, a false flag attack, perhaps 141 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 1: to give co stole defense industries and excuse to move 142 00:09:02,360 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 1: further inland. So that's a corporate motivation, you know, profit 143 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: and safety motivation. But this went all the way to 144 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: government officials calling for a congressional investigation. A representative from 145 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 1: Santa Monica congressional Representative leland Ford called for an investigation, saying, quote, 146 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: none of the explanations so far offered removed the episode 147 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 1: from the category of complete mystification. This was either a 148 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: practice raid, or a raid to throw a scare into 149 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: two million people, or a mistaken identity raid, or a 150 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: raid to lay a political foundation to take away Southern 151 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: California's war industries. You say, and I think it's some 152 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: kind of raid. It's some kind of raid, but for 153 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: what I don't know. So what happened, we'll get to 154 00:09:48,520 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 1: that after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where 155 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Even in the modern day, or we're 156 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 1: recording this in twenty sixteen, even in the modern day, 157 00:10:06,679 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: you will hear several different theories regarding what really happened. 158 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: I'm loving that finger quote sound effect. No, it's perfect. Uh. 159 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: What really happened in those in those late hours in 160 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: the most popular alternative theories today involve either a Japanese 161 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: covered up attack that you know, they were embarrassed about 162 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: they didn't want to admit, or the emergence of some 163 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: kind of top secret aircraft, you know, something that came 164 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: straight out of Nevada somewhere in a secret test facility. 165 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: Or that perhaps these were extraterrestrials. Maybe not, maybe just 166 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: the UFO, but you know that alien specter remains. When 167 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:47,679 Speaker 1: I first saw that the idea that, like it was, 168 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: they would cover up a Japanese attack, I was like, 169 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: that's ridiculous, Why would you keep your citizens in the dark. 170 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: But but you make a good point. Maybe it didn't 171 00:10:56,160 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: want to admit that they had been they got got Yeah, no, really, 172 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 1: it's legit on it. So if this turned out to 173 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: be true, it would be not only an astonishing moment 174 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: in US history, but one of the largest cover ups 175 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: in recent history as well. There's an important note that 176 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: I'll reiterate here, uh as as you guys have pointed out, 177 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: this occurred very soon after the Pearl Harbor attack. Pearl 178 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: Harbor occurred on December seventh. This occurred February two, So 179 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: uh as, as we've pointed out before in this in 180 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: this show, civilians, military officials in the media like to 181 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: believe the West Coast would be the next target. The 182 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: day before this attack occurred, a Japanese submarine had surface 183 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: near Santa Barbara. So there are all these anti aircraft 184 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:54,560 Speaker 1: batteries along the West coast. They were on high alert. 185 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: They were told to be ready at any given moment, 186 00:11:56,960 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: told to be on the lookout for anything unusual, and 187 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: they were working as active stations, ready to fire at 188 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 1: any moment, and they were taught that they were supposed 189 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 1: to expect an attack at any moment. These people were 190 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 1: assured that something terrible was going to happen, and psychologically, 191 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 1: we'll see that that's very important and could be a 192 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: deciding factor. Let's look at those three most popular theories 193 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: about what happens. When I say popular, I don't necessarily 194 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 1: mean the one that Uncle Sam accepts, because there is 195 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: one that Uncle Sam believes is the true is the 196 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: official narrative. Uh So, what what's the first one? So 197 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: Japan did in fact have a secret air based weapons program. 198 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: In the US during w W two it was called 199 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 1: the FuGO bombing balloons like actually like balloons. Yeah, yeah, 200 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: So their existence was kind of kept under wraps until 201 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: a balloon bomb killed six people having a nice picking 202 00:12:55,120 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 1: nick in Oregon. But if these balloon bomb devices had 203 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: somehow reached Los Angeles, neither the US nor Japan have 204 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:09,080 Speaker 1: any records to show that this was the case. But again, 205 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: double butt. These were only launched against America from nineteen 206 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: forty four onwards so far as we know, So that 207 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: would mean that there's a problem with the timeline. Right. 208 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 1: If this attack occurs in nineteen two, and everything we 209 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: know about these bombs says that they don't exist intil 210 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: ninety four, then they couldn't have had it. But there's 211 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: another kicker here. They weren't the only other army with 212 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 1: this sort of plan. The United Kingdom was using a 213 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: similar tactic and earlier, so their first evaluation of when 214 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: of whether these bombs could be used on balloons occurs 215 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,800 Speaker 1: in like nineteen thirty seven, So in ninety two, the 216 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,720 Speaker 1: concept of some sort of balloon weapon, as silt as 217 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: it might sound, was definitely around. It was like in 218 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: the zeitgeist. Governments were thinking about it, so just to 219 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: kind of paint the picture here, these are pretty interesting, 220 00:14:00,200 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: you know, by today's standards. Rudimentary bombing devices is basically 221 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: a hydrogen balloon with a series of chords or wires 222 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: or ropes attached around the mid section of the balloon 223 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: going down to a point. Then there's a ring with 224 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:17,200 Speaker 1: the payload I guess you could say in the center, 225 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 1: and then a series of sandbags around it. And then 226 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: you were saying that there were different regulators altimeters. I 227 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: believe that could determine what altitude the balloon was in 228 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: and then cut chords for sandbags to get it to 229 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: go higher, and then once it reached a certain altitude, 230 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 1: it would release a charge that would drop the payload. Right. Yeah, 231 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: it was on a timer system, so after it, if 232 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: it went too high, would vent hydrogen, so it would descend, 233 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:47,040 Speaker 1: drop sandbags to us end to keep it in this 234 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: range of altitude, and then when it hit its timeline, 235 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 1: then it would drop everything, including the bombs. So very clever. 236 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,840 Speaker 1: It does seem a little rudimentary in our modern a 237 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: age of drones hard to target, right right, hard to 238 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: target and not necessarily uh effective in the larger scheme 239 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: of war. But a small number had been recorded, right, 240 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 1: and they were and even some were shot down by 241 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: fighter aircraft. But there's a worrying thing about these is 242 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: that they were they had a high altitude, and they 243 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:30,880 Speaker 1: had a surprisingly fast speed. That was the main difficulty 244 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: for fighter aircraft. So it is possible that a weaponized 245 00:15:34,200 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: balloon could have been there. But there's another theory. While 246 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Speaker 1: we're on balloons. So speaking of these balloons, the US 247 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:45,920 Speaker 1: official position is that these were UFOs. They're unidentified flying objects, 248 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: but they were waiting for it. Stop me if you've 249 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: heard this one. Meteorological balloons, weather balloons. Oh, weather balloons 250 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: making a return appearance and swamp gas. Yeah, no, no, 251 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: it's just there was swamp gas of weather balloons yet 252 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 1: and this comes from a little bit more recent, uh circumstances. 253 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: Almost fifty years later, the Office of Air Force History 254 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: concluded that a careful study of the evidence suggests that 255 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: these meteorological balloons known to have been released over Los 256 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 1: Angeles may well have caused the initial alarm. This theory 257 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: is supported by the fact that anti aircraft artillery units 258 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: were officially criticized for having wasted ammunition on targets which 259 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: moved too slowly to have been airplanes. So weather balloons 260 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: were released from each of the approximately dozen anti aircraft 261 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 1: positions around the city every six hours. And if we 262 00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: look at this from a unpacking or slightly if we 263 00:16:49,840 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: look at the timeline and sequence of events, his what 264 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 1: we find. So these these balloons, these weather balloons, they say, 265 00:16:56,080 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 1: were illuminated from below by an enclosed candle and was 266 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: designed flecked off the silver lining of the balloon to 267 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,440 Speaker 1: ensure that you could see it. So reports suggests that 268 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,679 Speaker 1: the gunners from all but one battery must stook the 269 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,600 Speaker 1: balloons for planes and open fire sounds. You know. It 270 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: sounds like the old argument of incompetence versus malevolence, right, So, 271 00:17:19,840 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, We've got to think of the mentality 272 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: of the time, where people, you know, were understandably on edge, 273 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,399 Speaker 1: and as you said, there was this, uh, this overarching idea, 274 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: this notion that an attack was eminent, you know. And 275 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,159 Speaker 1: I'm not making excuses for raight, but I think they 276 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: should be trained and they should be able to react accordingly. 277 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:39,679 Speaker 1: But I don't find this particular explanation to be too 278 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 1: much of a stretch. It also has to do with 279 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: with communication that's occurring between the different arms of the military, 280 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: like depending on who released the balloons, if it's army 281 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: personnel who are shooting at these things, but it's air 282 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: force personnel that released the balloons or you know, naval personnel, 283 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: and there wasn't good communication about when they're being launched 284 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: and wear and it may even go further. That's a 285 00:18:03,359 --> 00:18:08,680 Speaker 1: good point because these anti aircraft positions, uh were these 286 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: anti aircraft positions were probably not communicating very well with 287 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: each other. So the only gun battery that did not 288 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: fire was the D Battery of the two third Coast 289 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: Artillery Regiment, and that was also directly in the flight 290 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 1: path of this alleged aircraft. This was also the company 291 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: that most recently launched its balloons at three am whener 292 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: the firing starts at three sixteen, and afterwards, the staff 293 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: at D Battery were instructed not to mention these balloons 294 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,320 Speaker 1: and the officer in charge of Colonel Ray Watson was 295 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: given a pension, which this can make sense, and that 296 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: means it would still be a cover up, but it 297 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: was a cover up to avoid embarrassment. And furthermore, why 298 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: the question is like well, why did this go so crazy? Then? 299 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: If it was just a weather balloon, why did everybody 300 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: end up shooting it? Yeah, why didn't somebody say stop, stop, 301 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: that's a balloon or why didn't the balloon pop? That's 302 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: a heck of a question. So many of the shell 303 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: burst for people who believe this story, including the including 304 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: the Navy, many of the shell bursts were mistaken for 305 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: other aircraft, and so this would lead some of a 306 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: different battery position to say, oh, crap, I gotta get 307 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: this one today. So I shoot one shell into the air, 308 00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:27,399 Speaker 1: it explodes. Nol sees it and he thinks, oh, what 309 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 1: the heck was that he shoots? And then it's just 310 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: this fun little cycle. That's just how I roll. Man, 311 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: I shoot first and ask questions later. Now you shot second, Buddy, 312 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: Han shot first? All right? And this shows the wildly 313 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: this shows, you know, this could explain rather the wildly 314 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: fluctuating reports on the number of aircraft, the speed, their altitude. 315 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: And then we get to my my favorite of these series, 316 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: do do do do do do do? Do? Now don't 317 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,960 Speaker 1: that's misleading. It could just be It could be a 318 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: lot of things, could be more of a bing No 319 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: things that really bing back then sounds to me like 320 00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: an old sailing. I like the I like to think 321 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 1: that's the noise it makes as it flies through, or 322 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:24,760 Speaker 1: it could could be the classics. So here we go. 323 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: I wants to deal with this. What I mean? You know, 324 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: I couldn't the balloon, as you mentioned, already be considered 325 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: a UFO. Excellent point. Excellent point because every time we 326 00:20:34,280 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: do this, we will get letters, will get letters from 327 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: folks who will write in and say, uh, this is 328 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 1: definitely an extraterrestrial er. This is not. And it's because 329 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: we'll use the phrase UFO. But UFO stands for, as 330 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: we all know, unidentified flying object. Yeah, unidentified flying object. 331 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 1: And that's exactly the point that Noel is making. A 332 00:20:56,200 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: balloon that you don't recognize as a balloon is a 333 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 1: UFO until you say, oh, that's a balloon. An alien 334 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: spacecraft is a UFO because if one appears, people will 335 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: have no idea what it looks like or what it is, 336 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:13,040 Speaker 1: and it will behave differently we would assume, especially if 337 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: it's space worthy. If there is a secret spy plane 338 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 1: like the B two bomber or something, then that is 339 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: also a UFO. If there is uh a Horton Hoe 340 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: twenty two, which is the which is the fixed wing 341 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: aircraft that the Nazi powers working on before the fall 342 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: of Nazi Germany. If that thing's in the air, that's 343 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:38,119 Speaker 1: also a UFO, or even a larger like nowadays, a 344 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: larger drone that perhaps you don't know exactly what it is, 345 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,719 Speaker 1: that could be a UFO. Yeah, one of those creepy 346 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: surveillance blimps to which are a real thing. So those 347 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: who believe the incident was caused by an actual, yet 348 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: unidentified craft have several pretty valid questions for the people 349 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: who buy the balloon story as well as the people 350 00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: who sell the story. UH number one, which I jumped 351 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: the gun on earlier. Here, wouldn't a balloon pop when 352 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: you hit it within artillery shell? Right the uf I'll 353 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: just argue that a balloon subject to shelling would have popped, 354 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: But there's evidence from other comparisons we can make that 355 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: that might be less certain than you would think. Kind 356 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: of similar to how in the movies, anything happens to 357 00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:34,199 Speaker 1: a car and it explodes giant fireball. Yeah, destruction, and 358 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: it's really difficult to make cars do that. In real life. 359 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: You have to know what you're doing, and it's it's 360 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 1: not just shooting at a gas tank most times. So 361 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 1: on that, yeah, I think there was. Yeah, and then 362 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: there's always sunny in Philadelphia where Mac and Charlie throw 363 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 1: a grenade into the car because they think it will explode. 364 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: It just mess really messes up there. What about that, 365 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: Not to get too off topic, what about that old 366 00:22:57,640 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 1: trick where you take a rag so get in gas, 367 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 1: put it in the gas tank and light it like 368 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: a fuse and then run away. That can work, I 369 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: can work. Yeah, Uh, that is not what happened here. 370 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: That was not what happens here, And don't ever do that. 371 00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 1: So we we have to we have to draw comparisons 372 00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: to the closest thing that we we have at the time. 373 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,360 Speaker 1: So at the time, they're also Zeppelin type airships, right, 374 00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: and that would be another kind of balloon similar too. 375 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 1: So these rigid and semi rigid aircraft are not like 376 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:38,679 Speaker 1: the FuGO balloons that we're talking about because those relied 377 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 1: on over pressure to sustain their shape. But so, yeah, 378 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: if anything punctures it, it's gone. Well, if anything punctures it, 379 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: it will it won't necessarily pop the middle yeah, it 380 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: might deflate and slowly go down. The flexibility of a 381 00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: balloon or blimps gas bag gives some protection from explosive fire. UH. 382 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: The skin will dent and distort to absorb the impact 383 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:11,159 Speaker 1: and may not actually puncture. We see experimental spy blombs 384 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,879 Speaker 1: like the one I mentioned the L E m v 385 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: UH may be able to sustain damage and not be 386 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: shot down immediately. And also to that point about cars, 387 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: it's not guaranteed that something even hydrogen powered will or 388 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,400 Speaker 1: hydrogen filled rather will ignite when hit by normal bullets. 389 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: In World War One, and this was on This was 390 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 1: a pretty interesting comparison I found on a site that 391 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: believes this is the case. During World War One, a 392 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: zeppelin called the L thirty three was hit by anti 393 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,639 Speaker 1: aircraft fire, but it didn't catch a flame. Instead, it 394 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 1: just was forced to crash land. And so the way 395 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: that fighter aircraft began to be able to really light 396 00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: up a zeppelin is when they switched from normal AMMO 397 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 1: to explosive and phosphorus in cindiary bullets. So a combination 398 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: of these would ignite the hydrogen. So it's possible, according 399 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: to the people who believe this part that trapnel from 400 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: the batteries would not have destroyed the balloon, but would 401 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,760 Speaker 1: have punctured it goes into the ocean, But that's not 402 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: a guaranteed explanation. The second question for the UFO folks, right, 403 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 1: for those who believe in the UFO theory, why does 404 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: that famous photo that we mentioned earlier show a saucer 405 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: rather than a spherical shape? Because if you look at 406 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 1: the photograph, it definitely does not look like a weather balloon. Yeah, 407 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,920 Speaker 1: but it also kind of looks like a saucer, right, 408 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,240 Speaker 1: I mean, that's one of the big things here. Like it, 409 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: the shape looks a bit round of whatever is being illuminated, 410 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: But it's also so overblown that it's really hard to 411 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: get any type of shape out of it unless you 412 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: unless you mess with a photo a lot. Look at 413 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: it now, and I mean there's a whole bunch of 414 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:07,159 Speaker 1: searchlights trained on it. And if it was a weather balloon, 415 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: like we said before, those can be quite reflective. I 416 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:15,120 Speaker 1: could see it definitely a grainy photo like this having 417 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: some issues with perspective. You know, it does look a 418 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,879 Speaker 1: little more oblong, but maybe we're seeing the top of it, 419 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, maybe we're just like the perspective is everything. 420 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: It's interesting though it's a neat picture. It does. It's 421 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: a very very compelling picture. I just don't know if 422 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,479 Speaker 1: we're able to see exactly what it is. So this 423 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: photo that we're discussing here is pretty famous. There are 424 00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: several versions of it that have been retouched over the years. 425 00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: Um it appeared in in the l A. Times. But 426 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's very common before you when you 427 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:50,399 Speaker 1: take a photo like this and then you want to 428 00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:52,199 Speaker 1: put it in the newspaper, so you take it to 429 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: the print right the big press. It's very common, or 430 00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: it was and it still is today to retouch photographs 431 00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 1: to make sure you get the best image that you 432 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: possibly can that will look the best in that black 433 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,400 Speaker 1: and white format. And we even have a quote from 434 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: the l A Times with an update about this photo. 435 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,119 Speaker 1: In the retouched version, many light beams were lightened and 436 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: widened with white paint, while other beams were eliminated. In 437 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: earlier years, was common for newspapers to use artists to 438 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,639 Speaker 1: retouch images due to poor reproduction basically ten shades of 439 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: gray if you were lucky. Thus my conclusion the retouching 440 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,680 Speaker 1: was needed to reproduce the image, but man, I wish 441 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: the retouching had been more faithful to the original. With 442 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: our current standards, this image would not be published. And 443 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: that's a statement by Scott Harrison over the times. So altered, 444 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: but not altered to uh deceive people, not necessarily, but 445 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: still it's I mean, they're putting white paint onto the image, right, 446 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 1: it's a super compelling photo. That white paint acts to 447 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: great effect. And those lights of those beams of lights 448 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,239 Speaker 1: are super stark, and they're all kind of converging on 449 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 1: this form in the sky, and I mean it it 450 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: it looks like, um, a saucer shaped sort of like 451 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: an elliptical shaped thing. And you know, I could see 452 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: how people could definitely latch onto that. It's a very 453 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: very cool, compelling image. But I can also see the 454 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: idea of taking that paint and making it more, you know, 455 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 1: pop kind of more. I mean we're used to that now, 456 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,720 Speaker 1: you know, with like Instagram, you can have a four 457 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 1: year old take a picture and slap on Instagram filter on, 458 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:32,160 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it looks compelling. But this 459 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 1: is very interesting for the time. So this is a 460 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:39,400 Speaker 1: representation of what happened. We know that there were a 461 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: ton of human beings. Probably, I mean, I can imagine 462 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: some people are outside looking up, or at least in 463 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: the window, looking up as they're taking shelter from all 464 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: this noise. What did witnesses say they saw? So you'll 465 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: hear people who want to push their own agenda, whether 466 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: they believe it was a weather blue and whether they 467 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: believe it was some kind of craft, whether they believe 468 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: it was nothing. Uh, there's a bad habit people can 469 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: sometimes have wherein they will say, Okay, out of these 470 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: ten thousand, out of these potentially two million people, uh, 471 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: the thousand who say that they saw this are the 472 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: ones who are clearly right, because that's what I believe. 473 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,440 Speaker 1: So also, as we know, these multiple there are multiple 474 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: accounts from the evening that widely contradict one another, and unfortunately, 475 00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: eyewitnesses are incredibly unreliable. So there are many many eyewitnesses 476 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: I say they saw some sort of salcer shaped thing 477 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 1: that was flying in a way they had never seen 478 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,960 Speaker 1: a craft fly before. There are many many eyewitnesses who 479 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: say that they saw multiple things fighting in the air 480 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: of war between humans and aliens or war between the 481 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: Japanese is in the Allied forces or Japanese in the 482 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: US at this point, should we should throw in there 483 00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: really fast? But with the multiple aircraft and multiple things 484 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 1: fighting in the air, the military they were using tracer ammunition, 485 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,960 Speaker 1: so you could see the bullets flying through the air, 486 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 1: and you can imagine what that might look like to 487 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: an untrained eye, all these beams of light essentially going across. 488 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: And so here we are towards the modern day. The 489 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: current official stance here in the US remains the same 490 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: as the nineteen three investigation concluded, and that stances that 491 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: UH tensions were high, people had war nerves, and routine 492 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:45,280 Speaker 1: meteorological or weather balloons deployed around three am prompted an 493 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: attack because the city was already on high alert with 494 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,040 Speaker 1: the air aid siren going off at one However, it's 495 00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 1: not likely the American public will ever consider this entirely solved, 496 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: regardless of what the government says, and less more evidence emerges, 497 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: we're stuck within official explanation that many people think is malarkey, 498 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 1: or at the very least murky lurkey. Malurkey, yes, alurky. 499 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: And there's the lasting consequences to this, regardless of what 500 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 1: you are convinced happened, and regardless how many people do 501 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: or don't agree with you, one of the lasting consequences 502 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,320 Speaker 1: which stays today is accelerated UH state discrimination against innocent 503 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: American civilians, particularly in this case Japanese American residents. At 504 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: the time, the US government was already actively UH interning 505 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,680 Speaker 1: people and and detaining them would be a good word. 506 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: And this also descends to you know, descends down to 507 00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,959 Speaker 1: the modern day when we have we have people with 508 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: legitimate concerns that one day a federal power will simply 509 00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 1: decide that they are risk and then boom bag over 510 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: your head, shipped you off somewhere, and that that belief 511 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: is the result of occurrences like this. But I have 512 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,959 Speaker 1: to ask you, guys, what do you think. I certainly 513 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,640 Speaker 1: think it was one of the in my opinion, one 514 00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: of the coolest pieces of the past dealing with the UFO, 515 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: just because of the image. I think the image, like 516 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: you said, no, it's everything. It conjures so much, so 517 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,680 Speaker 1: many other thoughts in my head about what it would 518 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: be like if an extra tricks terrestrial craft descended on 519 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: a city, and like what what how do we react 520 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: in that immediate moment if one comes down in the 521 00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: military is ready to go alright, when the government response 522 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: was so overtly shady and just like non informative, you 523 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,800 Speaker 1: know it just it did. It allows your mind to 524 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 1: kind of run wild a little bit, especially when you 525 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: pair it with an image like that. Well, it's also 526 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,080 Speaker 1: the immediate response of shooting the absolute crap of whatever 527 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 1: it is that's her head before confirming what it is. 528 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: You know, it is that we don't know what it 529 00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: is in the sky, but it's in our airspace and 530 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: we have all these weapons, so shoot that thing down. 531 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: That happens today that well, no, that's what I mean. Like, 532 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: but that's a very human thing. I think of your 533 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:20,760 Speaker 1: encroaching on my my territory and already war Yeah, well 534 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,400 Speaker 1: you shouldn't have been there. Sorry. There's also the yeah, 535 00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: the inherent distrust. Imagine when you're a kid if your 536 00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: parents tell you two completely different things, right, Uh, what 537 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 1: happened to our dog? Oh he's at the doctor. No, 538 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: don't trust your dad, he's dead. Or at the farm. 539 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,400 Speaker 1: That's that's what I heard, right, yeah at the farm. Uh, 540 00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: at the dead dog farm. So with this in mind, 541 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: we want to hear your opinions. What do you think happened. 542 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: Do you have new information that you think should come 543 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: to light? Uh, do you know someone who witnessed this 544 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 1: maybe a maybe a parent or a grand parent or something, 545 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: And if so, what is their account of the events. 546 00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: We're gonna head out now, but in the meantime, if 547 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: you enjoyed this episode, of course, we'd love to hear 548 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: from you, and we'd love it if you left a 549 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: review somewhere. Not only that, I want to point out 550 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: that we haven't been doing Shoutout Corner quite as much lately, 551 00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: and that's because we are amassing a veritable treasure trove 552 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,760 Speaker 1: of shoutouts that will get their own episode. That's true. 553 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: That's true. 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