WEBVTT - Digital Tea with Bachelor Data — Part 2 0:00:01.920 --> 0:00:04.080 Hey, everyone, welcome back to bacher Happy Hour. 0:00:04.120 --> 0:00:06.520 I'm Joe and I'm Srina and we are back for 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.000 part two with Susannah, who you also may know as 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:10.799 Bachelor Data. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:11.920 Let's get into it. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:16.400 Can we talk about because we've been touching on, you know, 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:20.880 Daisy Maria, Joey's season. It's no secret that, like Peter 0:00:21.040 --> 0:00:23.680 season was huge. Obviously you said, like the fastest biggest 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:25.799 follower growth we've seen, and then there was kind of 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:29.120 this decline and you know, we had the year with 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:31.280 the two Bacherette seasons, and we had COVID and we 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.480 had TikTok coming and like so much kind of happened 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:35.760 in that pocket of time, and then we saw this 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:40.280 crazy spike that kind of felt like out of nowhere 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:43.320 with Joey season. Can you kind of walk us through 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.959 that trajectory and like maybe why that happened the way 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:47.280 it did. 0:00:48.040 --> 0:00:51.479 Yeah, that was truly such a crazy season with social 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:55.760 media growth. I was expecting it to do well, but 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:59.040 not as well as it did. So to talk about 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.680 social media growth the best, the one of the data 0:01:01.680 --> 0:01:04.200 points that I love to look at is the average 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:08.000 follower count of the final four contestants the night before 0:01:08.040 --> 0:01:13.000 hometown airs. So I have that for like, gosh, fifteen 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.320 twenty seasons now, like there's been a lot of seasons 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.560 since I started to track every single day that I 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:20.399 have this data consistently. I don't have it for Becca season, unfortunately, 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.320 but I do for Colton and on. And what's interesting 0:01:23.360 --> 0:01:27.160 is we saw that big increase up until Peter's season, 0:01:27.200 --> 0:01:32.000 So that average went from twenty eighteen to twenty nineteen. 0:01:32.400 --> 0:01:38.240 So from who was just before Colton Ari Ari Ari. 0:01:38.720 --> 0:01:41.399 From Ari's season, the final four contestant average was one 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.200 hundred sixty three thousand followers. Then Colton's season was four 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:48.120 hundred sixty seven thousand followers, So that's one hundred and 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.400 eighty percent growth from that season to the next. Then 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.040 going from Colton to Peter season, the next season, it 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.160 was four hundred eighty one thousand followers. That was just 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.000 a three percent jump, but they did see bigger growth 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:03.400 those last few weeks. Then there was a big dip 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.160 after that, so it dropped by sixty percent most years, 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:11.919 So it went down sixty two percent from Matt, from 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:14.600 Peter to Matt season, and then sixty four percent from 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:19.000 Matt to Zach's season, and then from Zach's season to 0:02:19.160 --> 0:02:22.880 Joey's season, it jumped five hundred and fifty five percent. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:27.040 So it went from Zach's season his final four contestants. 0:02:27.040 --> 0:02:30.760 Their average the night before Hometowns was thirty seven thousand followers, 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:35.000 which was nothing. Yeah, going back to Peter's season, it 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.720 was four hundred eighty one and then it dropped to 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:38.440 thirty seven k. 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:40.440 So was the average for Matt's season. 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.440 Matt season was one hundred eighty two thousand. 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:45.960 Okay, yeah, yeah. 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.720 Which I can send you all of your follower accounts 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:49.359 from your season. 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:50.960 Oh my god, I'm too scared. 0:02:51.639 --> 0:02:54.280 So why do you think that is? I mean, I 0:02:54.800 --> 0:02:59.280 have my reasoning why I think it was personally is 0:02:59.360 --> 0:03:03.280 I think I think people just love Joey. I think 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.320 Joey has somewhat of a like a little bit of 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:09.520 an it factor to him that people just and I 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:14.079 think I think the younger generation, like that Gen Z generation, 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:16.440 really just found Joey attractive. 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:17.800 Yeah, they were crushing and they were. 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:19.560 Crushing on Joey, and I think that was a big, 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.120 a big reason for that job. 0:03:21.639 --> 0:03:24.600 Yeah. We we also have to remember that Joey's season 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:29.639 just came came right after Golden Bachelor and Golden Bachelors. Yeah, 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:33.120 crazy records. It brought so many viewers back to the franchise. 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:36.280 I think if I remember, his average viewership, like total 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:40.240 viewers for his season was like six million followers, which 0:03:40.320 --> 0:03:43.240 was crazy because we were at the point where other 0:03:43.320 --> 0:03:47.160 shows were getting like two million viewers, not followers, viewers, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.160 So that that brought a lot of viewership back. And 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.720 then I think the casting of Joey. You know, Joey 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:57.240 was an amazing lead, and I think he doesn't give 0:03:57.320 --> 0:04:00.280 himself enough credit. I remember listening to him on Taylor 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:03.960 Latner's Tay and Taylor Blattner's podcast, and he was talking 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.480 so much about like learning about what imposter syndrome meant, 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.480 and like he was a lead that really fed to 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:13.320 both generations who watched this show. He really fed to 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:15.280 the older generations who were like, oh, this is such 0:04:15.280 --> 0:04:17.800 a young, cute young man blah blah blah. Like that 0:04:17.800 --> 0:04:19.960 that's what my mom would say, right, yeah, Like he's 0:04:19.960 --> 0:04:22.400 so sweet, he's so genuine, blah blah blah. But then 0:04:22.440 --> 0:04:24.400 he also had the gen z who are just standing 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.480 over him because he has like emotional intelligence and everything. 0:04:27.560 --> 0:04:29.880 He was so you know, respectful of all the women 0:04:29.920 --> 0:04:33.000 on his season. And then we also had the contestants 0:04:33.000 --> 0:04:35.920 who were embracing not only TikTok but Instagram and really 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:40.000 bringing those audiences in. And then I also think it 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:43.640 was it was a big reason that it really took 0:04:43.680 --> 0:04:46.040 off was that fact that Daisy got that first one 0:04:46.080 --> 0:04:48.520 on one date. It was a really strong storyline that 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:50.680 made people fall in love with her. And then seeing 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:53.560 how Joey also handled the fact that she got the 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.640 helicopter date, the festival and then a concert, which were 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.240 all very loud things. 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:02.280 I forgot about, Oh my god. 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.520 Yeah, and then seeing how Joey handled that conversation just 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:07.920 made people fall in love with his season, and then 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.480 starting to really fall in love with all the contestants. 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.320 I think it was just a perfect storm season that 0:05:13.520 --> 0:05:17.240 everything went perfect and so many people were back from Golden. 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.160 Yeah, that's so interesting, the golden element of it. I 0:05:20.160 --> 0:05:21.040 didn't even think about that. 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:24.640 Yeah, that makes sense. Do you think there is something too, 0:05:24.839 --> 0:05:28.080 I mean, I think there has to be, But I 0:05:28.120 --> 0:05:32.000 always feel like people are more engaged in a season, 0:05:32.080 --> 0:05:34.560 especially the beginning of a season, when they choose a 0:05:34.680 --> 0:05:39.080 lead who's in the top three who's like, because like 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:42.760 sometimes when they do, like like Grant for instance, he 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.719 was like, you know, I think he was like six 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:45.320 or seven. 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:46.640 Yeah, there's a. 0:05:46.680 --> 0:05:49.080 Few leads that haven't made it to hometowns. I mean, 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:51.919 Katie Thurston didn't make it to hometowns. Grant didn't make 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:54.280 it to hometowns. I think Hannah Brown's the only one 0:05:54.279 --> 0:05:55.599 I can think of that didn't make it to hometowns 0:05:55.600 --> 0:05:58.200 that still ended up with like a massive season. But 0:05:58.360 --> 0:06:00.800 I'm sure a lot of that also was timing and 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.080 she was just people loved her. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:05.719 But you actually remember Hannah's season actually had some pretty 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:07.440 low ratings at the beginning. It was kind of a 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:12.000 slow start before it took off. But yeah, normally most 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:15.800 leads are chosen from final four, and there is a 0:06:15.839 --> 0:06:19.039 lot more audience momentum whenever they choose from final four 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.320 because just realistically, they're going to get more screen time 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:24.520 when you get to the final four contestants. That screen 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:28.200 time is pretty evenly split between just four people. Instead 0:06:28.200 --> 0:06:31.440 of the typical format of each week's episode leading up 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.960 to Hometowns is two people get a one on one 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.719 date where they get a lot of screen time, and 0:06:36.760 --> 0:06:39.200 then the last third of that screen time is split 0:06:39.279 --> 0:06:42.440 up between anywhere from five to thirty people. 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:43.440 Yeah. 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:47.040 Yeah, So I remember actually Brace Springs and I laughing 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:55.000 because you had posted a screen time graph chart and 0:06:55.760 --> 0:06:58.440 she was like it was a few weeks before hometowns 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.919 and she was like, you realize that ours time combined 0:07:01.440 --> 0:07:04.000 doesn't even come close to Sarah Trott who went home 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.520 like week two. Yeah, and it's like, I feel like, 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.039 you see that it's not uncommon to see like a 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:13.400 storyline from the beginning really take charge of the screen 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.160 time because it's it's drama or whatever it may be. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:20.120 They have like a heartfelt past, and then up until hometowns, 0:07:20.160 --> 0:07:22.360 like things don't really even out. 0:07:22.440 --> 0:07:23.040 Is that correct? 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.640 Yeah, And it's really interesting. People haven't seen my page yet. 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.240 I track something that we call featured screen time. So 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:32.560 the way that I track it, so it was initially me, 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:34.360 but now I have a team that helps me. The 0:07:34.400 --> 0:07:37.160 way that we track this is, let's say there's a 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.440 group of women sitting on the couch and two women 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:41.640 are having a conversation back and forth. Let's say they're 0:07:41.680 --> 0:07:44.560 arguing about something and they're you know, and then Jesse's 0:07:44.560 --> 0:07:45.880 going to come in and be like there's a two 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.640 on one day and then we're like, oh, who's it 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:50.480 going to be? Right, the camera is going to go 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:52.800 back and forth between the two women who are arguing 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:56.360 on the screen, right, and there's women around them. Those 0:07:56.480 --> 0:07:59.440 women don't get screen time because they're not actually featured 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.720 in that moment back and forth. So we literally some 0:08:02.760 --> 0:08:05.520 of our screen time segments are literally one second because 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:09.160 it'll be going back and forth between two contestants, but 0:08:09.240 --> 0:08:12.000 it's whoever's the focus of that screen time. And the 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:14.520 way that we use this data, it's really interesting to see, 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:18.440 especially before Hometowns, who gets the most screen time of 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:20.520 the season and how far they made it or how 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.720 early they were eliminated, and yeah, on Matt season, so 0:08:23.960 --> 0:08:26.040 much of the screen time. The big thing too about 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:28.520 Matt Season is that one of those first episodes that 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:31.880 one week was split into two weeks worth of episodes, 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.640 so it really like it was like a to be 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.000 continued episode, and then the rest of it aired the 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.600 following week, and a lot of that screen time went 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:42.400 to Sarah because you know, she was considering leaving the show, 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:44.400 and she was kind of putting heads with a lot 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.280 of the women in the house. And then Katie pulled 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.720 her and then they talked. You know, there there was 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:50.920 a lot of time focused on that. And what we 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:54.439 typically see most seasons is that pre Hometowns, the person 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:56.760 who gets the most screen time didn't actually make it 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:58.839 to hometowns, and that's because there was some other major 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:01.200 storyline that led to them not making it there. 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:11.880 If you think you if you went back to let's 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.240 just call it, let's just go back to twenty eighteen 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.280 and you reviewed all those seasons, do you think the 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.920 person with the most screen time ended up with the 0:09:22.960 --> 0:09:23.760 most followers. 0:09:24.400 --> 0:09:27.880 No, And it's typically the villain. So somebody who got 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.320 like a villain type edit where there was some type 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:32.680 of conflict in the house, they were getting along with 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.840 the women, or they had some big fight with the lead. 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:38.960 That's typically the person who gets the most screen time 0:09:39.840 --> 0:09:42.240 before hometowns. But then once it gets to hometowns, it 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:44.719 totally changes. It just goes to the final four contestants 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:47.120 in the final three and then they really take off. 0:09:47.320 --> 0:09:48.959 I also do have a data point, by the way, 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:51.360 if we look at women who were chosen to be 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:56.240 the next bachelorette from the Bachelor, the only women who 0:09:56.320 --> 0:09:59.040 were chosen who were not who didn't make it to 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:04.320 Hometowns were Katie Thurston Britt If people don't remember, Britt 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:08.600 was chosen to be a co bachelorette with Caitlyn Bristow 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:11.480 and then the men voted the first night on which 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:14.280 woman they wanted to actually be the lead, so brittain horrible. 0:10:14.679 --> 0:10:18.880 We actually we did like a recap of that episode 0:10:19.000 --> 0:10:21.800 because during the off seasons we did a couple like 0:10:22.040 --> 0:10:25.440 episode one rewatches like premiere episodes, and we recapped those 0:10:25.440 --> 0:10:27.440 and one of the ones we did was Caitlyn and 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:31.640 Brett and yeah, truly truly nuts. 0:10:31.880 --> 0:10:35.800 Yeah, and then it was Hannah Brown and then Jen 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:39.160 So those were the ones who were chosen pre Hometowns, 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.560 but the rest of them, they were most of them 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.959 actually came from Fantasy Suite elimination. So whichever person was 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:47.800 eliminated at the Fantasy Suites, that person typically became the 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:50.600 next bachelorette. And that was also a really nice format too, 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.719 because then at the finale in AFR, they were at 0:10:53.720 --> 0:10:56.520 that episode because they were typically shown being eliminated just 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.120 before that, but they were eliminated after the tell all episode, 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.280 so they were their net that night to be announced 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:04.960 as the next lead. Wow. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:08.360 Okay, so I'm gonna throw out a hypothetical. So let's 0:11:08.400 --> 0:11:12.120 say I'm your you know, college friend or whatever, and 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.960 I'm like, Susannah, listen, I'm going on going on the 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:19.800 Bachelor or a bachelorette. From a from a data standpoint, 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.440 what do I want to grow on social media? Like 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.040 what do I need to happen or what could I do? 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.240 Including things that obviously are completely out of the contestants control, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:32.800 which is a lot of things. 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.480 Yeah, yeah, it's really just about like, start making content yesterday. 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:38.840 And this also goes beyond Bachelor, by the way, like 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:41.400 anybody who wants to make I'm still kicking myself in 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:43.959 the butt that I did not create Bachelor data back 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:46.160 when Colton season started, because the amount of followers that 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.840 I could have gained back then on my page dis covering. 0:11:48.880 --> 0:11:51.400 But like, start making content yesterday, and don't be scared 0:11:51.400 --> 0:11:52.800 about the way that people are going to judge you 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:55.200 or anything. Start a new account. Don't tell people about it, 0:11:55.679 --> 0:11:58.160 you know. I I'm sure people made fun of the 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.760 work that I did. I mean, Tino's he Know's dad 0:12:00.880 --> 0:12:03.600 on Gabby and Rachel's season made a whole post calling me, 0:12:03.640 --> 0:12:04.680 who's this loser? 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:05.880 Really? 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:06.760 What? Yeah? 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.760 Yeah, I feel like I saw this or I saw 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:10.520 something about this. 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:11.760 It sounds kind of familiar. 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:14.400 Yeah, well, I was so mad at you the screen 0:12:14.440 --> 0:12:17.240 time analysis. It was like, what kind of loser has 0:12:17.320 --> 0:12:19.200 the time to do this? And it's like, well, the 0:12:19.240 --> 0:12:21.679 loser that made a social media falling was able to 0:12:21.760 --> 0:12:24.040 quit their six figure job to do this full time? 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.880 Yeah yeah, yeah, the loser that's making money off. 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:29.679 Of this, like you know, And that's what I say 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.400 that I was he so mad about it, you know, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.360 I think it was because he got less. So a 0:12:36.400 --> 0:12:39.000 funny data point that I will do. I don't know 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.560 if I did this during y'all y'all's Bachelor in Paradise season, 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:44.680 but a new data point that I'll do is the 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.720 contestants who got less screen time than like the Lama 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.120 on Grant season O, the Crabs on Paradise or something 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.040 like that. And I think that episode he had like 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.760 gotten less screen time than like the luggage card or 0:12:55.800 --> 0:12:57.800 something nice. Gotcha. 0:12:58.240 --> 0:12:58.800 That's fun. 0:12:59.000 --> 0:13:00.880 So always just trying to find fun data points like 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:03.960 that that we can analyze, like or you know, like 0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:09.560 analyzing the impact that the like economic environment has on 0:13:09.640 --> 0:13:11.840 the number of sparkly dresses that we see on the 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:13.560 show and stuff like that. Like I always trying to 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.680 find some fun correlations that we can analyze on the show. 0:13:17.200 --> 0:13:20.000 And yeah, I mean what I tell people, though, is 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.480 just start making content yesterday. Like the best time to 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:26.320 start was months ago. The second best time is to 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:29.440 start today. And like, your first few videos are probably 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:31.000 gonna be pretty bad if I go back and look 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.360 at my old videos, especially back when my account blew 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.040 up and covering y'all seats and for example, like my 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.640 content back then was horrible, but you end up growing 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:42.800 your craft and now like I'm now invited to be 0:13:42.840 --> 0:13:45.600 a Microsoft content creer, like I'm part of their creator program. 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.360 I like my charts are way better. I've now launched 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:50.920 and Excel Google Sheets course where I teach other people 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.040 how to use Excel and how to use Google Sheets. 0:13:54.400 --> 0:13:57.559 But through really fun content. There's so many different amazing 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:59.240 things that are going to happen if you just start 0:13:59.320 --> 0:14:01.880 now and just don't be hard on yourself. If you're 0:14:01.920 --> 0:14:04.920 going on the show, start recording your content as soon 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:06.480 as you like on the way to the airport to 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.400 go film, Like start recording that content now if you can, 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:12.200 and then when you get back, like just start start 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.160 recording everything because us viewers that really are excited about 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:16.600 the show, we're going to want to see everything. 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:18.680 Yeah, Like if people started doing like pack with me 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.360 to go on The Bachelor and then obviously posting it 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.160 like they can, but they could post it later, right, Yeah, 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:27.000 you could post it before Night one air is like 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.160 throw back to six months ago. 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.280 I mean it's fun, it's engaging. 0:14:31.400 --> 0:14:33.360 Yeah, Like I would love to see like how do 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:36.880 you fit all of those dresses plus everything you need? 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.800 And then how are you gonna do your nails during 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:40.600 the show? Like I want to know how you're packing 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:43.320 for that as somebody who also like loves to pack 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:45.480 for things and go go on vacations, Like I would 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:46.480 love to see that content. 0:14:47.240 --> 0:14:48.240 Yeah, are there? 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:53.119 I was gonna say, Obviously, so much can be quantified 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:57.040 as you've shown us through your account. Are there elements 0:14:57.080 --> 0:15:01.480 that you're like, there's these things that you just cannot 0:15:02.000 --> 0:15:05.640 put into data, Like for example, I, in my eyes 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:09.360 Joe blowing up after Night one, Like there, I'm sure 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:11.600 there's so much data to explain why that happened, But 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.160 I would assume there's also an element of just like 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:18.960 the stars aligned and timing was crazy and et cetera, 0:15:19.040 --> 0:15:19.680 et cetera. 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.760 Well, with Joe, that one made sense, right because it 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:27.640 was kind of like with Brendan and Piper on their 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:31.400 Bachelor Paradise season, but the opposite the way that the 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:35.600 audience who watches this show can just suddenly latch themselves 0:15:35.680 --> 0:15:38.720 themselves onto one specific thing that happens on the show, 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.200 and in Joe's case, it was very positive. It was 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:44.120 we are standing this man that Becca should have not eliminated. 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:46.360 He was amazing, blah blah blah. And then when everybody 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:48.760 start starts making content about it, it's just going to 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:52.000 propel Joe's name even more. And then on the flip side, 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.120 with Brendan and Piper with their whole moment where they 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:55.920 went on the show, they were caught on hot mic 0:15:56.000 --> 0:15:59.200 talking about how many followers they'd gain, how much screen 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:01.840 time she would get people talking about her before she 0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.480 even got there, and stuff like that. You know that 0:16:04.800 --> 0:16:07.440 then the audience picked up and was like, Hey, that's 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:09.840 not cool. We are going to ride you guys down 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.720 into the ground. And it became this whole social media moment. 0:16:14.320 --> 0:16:16.960 I think honestly, throughout all the years, the things that 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:20.560 I have analyzed that I found trends in, I typically 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:24.080 find a reason there, Like there are certain dates that 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:26.680 if you get that date, you're gonna make it to 0:16:26.760 --> 0:16:29.360 Final four pretty much, and there are dates that you 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.920 get that you're not gonna make it far. And it 0:16:31.960 --> 0:16:34.400 makes sense, right, Like, let's save the bigger dates like 0:16:34.840 --> 0:16:38.240 the Bachelorette. The men who get the fireworks date, most 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:40.360 of them make it to Final four, and that makes sense, 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.280 like those are very expensive dates, right, But on the 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.600 Bachelorette's a little different, only Rachel Kirconnell and Giuliano one. 0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.080 You know, there's a reason behind a lot of the 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.040 trends that we end up finding that makes sense. And 0:16:54.080 --> 0:16:57.640 then other things like villains pre twenty twenty, they used 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:01.800 to gain tons of followers, like Demi Dimmy Burnette, she 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.320 gained tons of followers, and most people forget this. On 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:08.800 The Bachelor, she got a villain edit, like the women 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.160 were really not liking her in the house. She's now 0:17:11.160 --> 0:17:14.280 gotten since better edit because of Bachelor Paradise and other shows, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:17.400 but we don't see that as much anymore. Villains now 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:20.119 it's a very different world post twenty twenty, especially with 0:17:20.200 --> 0:17:22.880 social media and how critical we're being of contestants who 0:17:23.640 --> 0:17:26.320 not me, but just like the audience are being of 0:17:26.359 --> 0:17:30.760 people who get specific edits. The one that's really interesting 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:32.880 to me is the first impression Rose on The Bachelor 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.760 versus The Bachelorette. That one is just that was one 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:37.800 of the first trends that people found before even my 0:17:37.880 --> 0:17:41.440 account was. On The Bachelor, when the guy is the lead, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.639 it is like the kiss of death to get the 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.480 first impressions, which is so funny to watch all the 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.719 women night one be so disappointed that they're not going 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:54.119 to get it, because up until Grant's season, if you 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.880 got the first impression Rows, not only were your odds 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.480 of make it to Final four pretty low, but your 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:01.720 odds of getting a one on one date we're pretty 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.760 much like zero because most of them wouldn't get one. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.760 And then they changed it for Grant season that the 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.840 woman who got the first impressure Rows would get the 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:13.560 first one on one date. But on the flip side, 0:18:13.600 --> 0:18:16.840 on the Bachelorette, nearly fifty percent of men who get 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.440 the first impression Rose win the show. 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:20.639 Wow. 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:23.879 Women's intuition it is so powerful. 0:18:24.080 --> 0:18:27.480 Do you think that anything that you have put out 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.320 there in the world as far as data, the show 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:34.719 has picked up on and switched some things up, like, 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.520 for instance, the person getting the first one on one 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:41.200 also now all of a sudden gets the first date. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:43.879 The first impression rose. Yeah, I do think that they 0:18:43.960 --> 0:18:45.359 probably changed the one. I don't know if it was 0:18:45.400 --> 0:18:48.720 my account because that had been i thing people picked 0:18:48.800 --> 0:18:51.280 up on before my account, But it does make sense. 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.720 I mean, look at the corporate world, right the people 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:57.400 who work and excel, the data analysts, the people who 0:18:57.440 --> 0:18:59.520 do this type of work. We are the ones who 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:02.600 drive decision making at companies. Like you don't make a 0:19:02.600 --> 0:19:04.600 decision at a company based off of your gut, you 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:07.320 make it based off of data. So using this type 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.880 of data to be able to drive decision making, I mean, 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.040 it makes sense, and I'm always happy to share that 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:15.760 data with anybody who needs it. But one other really 0:19:15.760 --> 0:19:18.560 interesting stat that you can you can kind of put 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.639 tune two together is like Bachelor in Paradise, the first 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.080 date of the season they rarely work out. Out of 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.720 all the seasons of Bachelor in Paradise, only twenty two 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:31.560 percent of them are technically considered successful. But season two, 0:19:31.640 --> 0:19:34.760