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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody, Welcome to move the stick DJ Bucky

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Speaker 1: rat back with you. On a Monday, following a crazy

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Speaker 1: week of action, we had well, let's be honest, we

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Speaker 1: Neither here nor there.

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Speaker 2: We'll do NFL stuff.

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Speaker 1: We won't, we won't. We won't spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: tuck on that. It was an enjoyable flight, by the way,

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Speaker 1: real quick on that one. I'm on the flight, the

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Speaker 1: Charters flight to Wisconsin. The Wi FI was not great.

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Speaker 1: So my son is actually texting me play by play

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Speaker 1: and it gets to the point where it's James Madison

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Speaker 1: and I'm telling you, there's there. There's an anticipation when

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Speaker 1: I imagine it's like, oh yeah, maybe liked the younger

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Speaker 1: Bubbles like anticipation, there's some anticipation there, but the uh

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Speaker 1: but he says first down and my thought was who, like,

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Speaker 1: was they got the two point of version. I was like,

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Speaker 1: this is painful, but then ended up wing overtime, so

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Speaker 1: it ended up being a happy day. But I was

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Speaker 1: just saying, the anxiety of the bubbles, that's a real

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Speaker 1: that's real there, bubbles. Agatch buck. How was your weekend, man.

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Speaker 2: Well, the weekend was great when the Jaguars won.

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Speaker 3: It was crummy because Carolina lost to Clemson again down

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Speaker 3: in Devin Valley. The basketball team looks good though, so

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Speaker 3: I'm excited about basketball season.

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Speaker 2: I'm excited about basketball season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know there eventually and it's yeah, he's the

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're just gonna you know, I need a minute,

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Speaker 1: Let's all figure it out, all right, you guys want

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Speaker 1: to jump into these games, let's get in. I'll start

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Speaker 1: us off. Yeah, I'm up first, I'm betting lead off

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Speaker 1: today Chargers. Hey, guys, surprise, it came down to the

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Speaker 1: very end of a Charger game. It's like, I've never

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Speaker 1: seen this before. They lost their fifth game by three

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Speaker 1: or fewer points on the season.

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Speaker 2: Is that crazy? Buck?

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Speaker 1: It's every week every week. It's like it's kind of

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Speaker 1: exhausting to call the games. I can't imagine from a

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Speaker 1: guys have been around teams, you played on teams forever, Like,

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Speaker 1: how often is it that you go a whole season.

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Speaker 1: It's like you don't get that. Hey, let's get the

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Speaker 1: backups in there. Let's rest a little bit, Let's take

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Speaker 1: a little break. Hey, hey, we're getting blown out in

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Speaker 1: this one. Let's back off. You know, let's save our guys. No,

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Speaker 1: every week is a nail bike all in. It's crazy.

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Speaker 1: On the positive side of things, I'll start the positive

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Speaker 1: side of things for both teams. Both these quarterbacks, same

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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. Remember back in that draft of twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: it was good to see those guys. Both played really well.

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Speaker 1: I thought Herbert actually played the best game of the year.

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Speaker 1: Something we've talked about exhausting the down, using your legs,

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Speaker 2: He did it.

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Speaker 1: He had he had over seventy yards rush and it

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Speaker 1: it's going back into that big twelve wide receiver conversation

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Speaker 3: That are we talking about breaks, route running and all that.

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Speaker 3: The thing that I would say about looking at at

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Speaker 3: Look, they're just snake bit And I just wonder because, like, look,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, just to kind of continue the

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Speaker 4: conversation you were furthering the conversation you're having on the

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Speaker 4: Big twelve. I mean, maybe maybe the Chargers need to

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Speaker 4: go out to the Mountain West then find a Romeo Dobbs,

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Speaker 4: they all three contributed in a big way, and none

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Speaker 4: the tight ends that they drafted this this year, right,

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Speaker 1: it's just having that veteran something Bucks talked about for

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Speaker 1: But I mean I'm just seeing from a pass catcher,

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Speaker 1: like if you get some type of a veteran pass catcher,

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Speaker 3: Man, look so and watching this game, like from the

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Speaker 3: Lions standpoint, I do think is great.

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Speaker 2: The resilience to the show.

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Speaker 3: And they talk about the grit and those things, and

440
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Speaker 3: we've talked about on this podcast a couple times about

441
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Speaker 3: the team taking on the character of the coaches.

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Speaker 2: So this is a tough team.

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Speaker 3: And I think Jerry golf and Body Day, you have

444
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Speaker 3: three interceptions and you bounced back and you're able to

445
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Speaker 3: kind of do what he was able to do to

446
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Speaker 3: get them back seventeen points.

447
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Speaker 2: In the fourth quarter, he makes the.

448
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Speaker 3: Dime throw to Jamison Williams to kind of put them

449
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Speaker 3: over the top. And just the way that he has

450
00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,960
Speaker 3: been able to kind of like steady this offense whenever

451
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Speaker 3: they needed it.

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Speaker 2: You gotta love that.

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Speaker 3: From the Bear standpoint, I think it's interesting to see

454
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Speaker 3: how they go about this process when it comes to

455
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Speaker 3: evaluating Justin Fields had over one hundred yards rushing, had

456
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Speaker 3: a pretty solid day through the air. But man, once

457
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Speaker 3: again at the end of the game, he had a fumble.

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Speaker 3: If you think about what he has done since he's

459
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Speaker 3: been the starting quarterback for the Bears, I want to say, yes,

460
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Speaker 3: thirty one or thirty two fumbles. He just has a

461
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Speaker 3: tough time with ball security. Not all his fault, but

462
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Speaker 3: the quarterback has the ball, he has to take care

463
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Speaker 3: of it. I just wonder what is going to be

464
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Speaker 3: the decision that they make at the end of the year.

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Speaker 3: He's been good enough to keep him around, but he's

466
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Speaker 3: good enough to pay him the significant amount of money

467
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Speaker 3: that he's going to be old if he's a starting

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Speaker 3: quarterback for a team. I just wanted do you reset

469
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Speaker 3: the clock with a draft pick or stayed? Of course,

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Speaker 3: tough decision for the Bears, but just one that they

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Speaker 3: gonna have to make coming up short Where is he from? Buck,

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Speaker 3: that's from Atlanta. Yeah, he's right right outside of Atlanta. Interesting,

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Speaker 3: all right.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna take a break, we come back.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into the Bucks and the Niners right after this.

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Speaker 1: All right. It was just a little cliffhanger there at

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Speaker 1: the end of the that's all I'm just saying. Okay,

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Speaker 1: it's from Atlanta. I don't know. Maybe they're in the

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Speaker 1: quarterback market. Who knows. All Right, I'm up next here. Niners,

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Speaker 1: Bucks twenty seven fourteen forty nine ers are rolling right now.

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Speaker 1: They're back into a groove after a little bit of

482
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Speaker 1: a stumble there in the middle part of the season.

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Speaker 1: They're back rock parties playing really well. And the first

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Speaker 1: thing I wanted to look at, you know, and I

485
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Speaker 1: pulled out the box score. The thing that jumped out

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Speaker 1: to me was Iyuke with five for a buck fifty six.

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Speaker 1: So I want to jump into his tape this morning

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Speaker 1: and see what that looks like. And man, I always

489
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Speaker 1: would say off the line releases, it was Davante Adams,

490
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Speaker 1: Keenan Allen, Stefon Diggs, or the three guys you study

491
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Speaker 1: like if you talk to young receivers, those the guys.

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Speaker 1: You look at Brandon Ayukxen, he's he's in the mix

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Speaker 1: now with what he does, and they they look they

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Speaker 1: motioned him on one of them, and man, it's like

495
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Speaker 1: he's shot out of a cannon. Once. They're using that motion,

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Speaker 1: then turning it up the field and then running. They're

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Speaker 1: running a lot of digs out of that. So it's

498
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Speaker 1: like the Tyreek Hill play, except they're doing it instead

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Speaker 1: of instead of just that short outside motion, they're just

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Speaker 1: still doing the motion across the field. But then he

501
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Speaker 1: hits that gas and then you press and you get

502
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Speaker 1: on top of their toes and you snap it off.

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Speaker 1: But anyways, that was impressive. But the other ones were

504
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Speaker 1: just his releases off the line of scrimmage or big time.

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Speaker 1: He's explosive out of the break point. He's after the catch,

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Speaker 1: he gets he has juice after the catch, he has

507
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Speaker 1: another gear when the ball's up in the air. He's

508
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Speaker 1: a he's a really good player. I think to me,

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Speaker 1: he's and no disrespect to any of the other guys

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Speaker 1: they've got. They've got a lot of playmakers on that team.

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Speaker 1: To me, if we go out into the backyard and

512
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Speaker 1: the park and say I've got to have a completion

513
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Speaker 1: and a playmate. He'd be the one that I would

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Speaker 1: take on all those guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because what we're saying, and I think

516
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Speaker 3: we've used the analogy when it comes to bass to

517
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Speaker 3: quarterbacks like shooter and score.

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Speaker 2: So the difference is he's a shooter.

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Speaker 3: To me, he's a more refined receiver than Deebo Samuel

520
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Speaker 3: in terms of route running ability overall skill level. He

521
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Speaker 3: is that Deebo Samuel is someone you want to put

522
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Speaker 3: the ball in his hands and let him go to

523
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Speaker 3: work because the best thing that he does is make

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Speaker 3: the magic happen in open field.

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Speaker 2: Yuck is a route runner and what the Niners do, and.

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Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about brock perty having a three

527
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Speaker 3: hunder yard game having a perfect passer rating. I don't

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Speaker 3: know if I've seen a team throw the ball over

529
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Speaker 3: the middle more than in terms of hey, we're throwing

530
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Speaker 3: everything inside the numbers in breaking routes on the move,

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Speaker 3: I don't know if anyone does it better than them.

532
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Speaker 3: And I know it's a combination of play acts because

533
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Speaker 3: they move the linebackers up and they create these huge voids,

534
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Speaker 3: but man, they get more ballas out of these inbreaking

535
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Speaker 3: deep overs, crossers, digs then any of the team that

536
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Speaker 3: I've seen, and as Brock Purdy is silencing the naysayers

537
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Speaker 3: and bouncing back in a major way. This team is

538
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Speaker 3: so good offensively that it often overshadows what they do

539
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Speaker 3: on defense. But man, this team is prime and ready.

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Speaker 3: And we talked about Philadelphia having a major game on

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Speaker 3: Monday night against the Kansa City Chiefs, but that that

542
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Speaker 3: train is coming, the San Francisco forty nine or train

543
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Speaker 3: is coming, and it's gonna be exciting to see them

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Speaker 3: kind of square it off.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 4: I would just take a brief look at the four

547
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Speaker 4: at the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. You know, started the season

548
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Speaker 4: three and one, and they were kind of one of

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Speaker 4: those teams you're like, huh, all right, maybe a little

550
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Speaker 4: better than we thought, you know, Baker Mayfield maybe settling

551
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Speaker 4: them down, but now you know, unfortunately they've lost five

552
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Speaker 4: of six. I will say there are some bright spots here.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: Klaijahkansei, I don't even know if he played in this game,

555
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Speaker 4: but he didn't end up on on the stat sheet.

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Speaker 1: At all, but four sacks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he has had some real.

558
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Speaker 4: Flashes, certainly as he came back off the injury that

559
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Speaker 4: he started the season with. How about yah Yad Diabi

560
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 4: two sacks in this game from from Louisville?

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Speaker 5: Where did?

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Speaker 2: Where? Do you have?

563
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Speaker 4: A terrific week leading into the end of the draft

564
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Speaker 4: process Senior Bowl right at A at a pretty good

565
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Speaker 4: week right there. And then obviously they've got, you know,

566
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Speaker 4: guys like Antoine Winfield will be foundational pieces for him

567
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Speaker 4: moving forward. But again, it was just kind of fun

568
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Speaker 4: to go back and look and watch it. You know,

569
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Speaker 4: a young player like that that can make some plays

570
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Speaker 4: for you and you can point to that moving forward.

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Speaker 4: Be like, all right, obviously we got Vidavea, who's just

572
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Speaker 4: an absolute, you know, stud and force of nature, you

573
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Speaker 4: know in the middle, and there's some real I mean,

574
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Speaker 4: there's real playmakers on that defense. They just they got

575
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Speaker 4: to figure out what they want to be offensively, and

576
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Speaker 4: they're getting older there at some of those positions that

577
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Speaker 4: you've been counting on. The Mike Evans situation with the

578
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Speaker 4: contract sounds like this is you know it, what's up

579
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Speaker 4: with Chris Godwin buck So like I I and then

580
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Speaker 4: look at that DJ. I just I think that they

581
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Speaker 4: have put in some some nice effort defensively to build

582
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Speaker 4: that roster. I just I don't know what it's getting

583
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Speaker 4: him right now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, one thing, I'll pull up my notes here on

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Speaker 1: Dyabi ya ya Dabi was six ozho three three two

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Speaker 1: sixty three. He ran four or five to one. Played

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Speaker 1: a lot of three man front. You see some push

588
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Speaker 1: and pull stuff with him. He's got quick change of direction, flashes,

589
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Speaker 1: a shaking bowl. He'll get washed and toss some at

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Speaker 1: the in the run the point of attack. He's a tweener,

591
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Speaker 1: but he's got thirty four inch arms and he ran

592
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Speaker 1: four five to one. So Buck, we always talk about

593
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Speaker 1: pass rushers traits. Man, that's it, right, you hit it,

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Speaker 1: it's the traits.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So did you want to go back to the Niners

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Speaker 2: right quick?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 3: So, in two games, we've seen Chase Young have what

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Speaker 3: a sac and a half two sacks. We've seen him

601
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Speaker 3: be as active as we've seen since his rookie year

602
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Speaker 3: when he was defensive Rookie of the Year. I'm now

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Speaker 3: wondering if you're the San Francisco forty nine ers, and

604
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Speaker 3: I know, man, you'd like to allocate cash and resources

605
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Speaker 3: to that front line, But do you do anything that

606
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Speaker 3: you can to keep him in the fold because he

607
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Speaker 3: certainly made a difference.

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Speaker 2: On the quarterback.

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Speaker 3: You got money, I mean, I mean, do you do

610
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Speaker 3: you go all so you now have Nick Bosa, Javon Hargrave,

611
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Speaker 3: you have Eric Armstead and Chase Young and you just

612
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Speaker 3: live with whatever you have to get.

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Speaker 5: That's when they've been the best. That's when they've been

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Speaker 5: at their best.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the next time. Ye after that you have

616
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Speaker 1: to figure out some stuff. But yeah, I think for

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Speaker 1: the next two years they can roster that they can

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Speaker 1: roster that money because I'm just looking.

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Speaker 3: At him and just looking at the difference that he's

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Speaker 3: made and just the energy, the effort that he's just playing,

621
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Speaker 3: the skill level, like we talk about the D line

622
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Speaker 3: coach Chris Caseric and that stuff.

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Speaker 2: The environment.

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Speaker 3: To me, it just makes too much sense for them.

625
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Speaker 3: They talk about building strength on strength on that front line.

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Speaker 3: Why not find a way to keep him. I know

627
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Speaker 3: it's a short term runner, but why not find a

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Speaker 3: way to keep him their long term?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you on that one

630
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,080
Speaker 1: big win for the Niners. Let's keep it moving here, Bucket,

631
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Speaker 1: you are up next, and you've got Steelers Brown really

632
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Speaker 1: really high scoring. Fun game there, huh.

633
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Speaker 2: Yeah, fun game.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, you knew when it was the Steelers,

635
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Speaker 3: the the score is going to be always bet the under,

636
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 3: and so like thirteen ten, the Browns find a way

637
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,119
Speaker 3: to do it. But I never would have imagined that

638
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:06,160
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns, after all the injuries, would be sitting

639
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 3: there in the spot like where it could be first place.

640
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 2: You know, we could talk about DTR.

641
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 3: He had a bad performance the first time he had

642
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: an opportunity to start, but then he's able to leave

643
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 3: a game winning winning drive to get them over the top.

644
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 3: And when you look at this team and this defense,

645
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 3: I mean this defense that they're trying out, I mean

646
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,359
Speaker 3: you talk about Miles Garrett and crew, like he's defensive

647
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: played a year, two sacks, three quarterback, four pressures, all

648
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 3: that other stuff. Like the defense continues to do whatever

649
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 3: they want to do, just dominant when it comes to

650
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:39,120
Speaker 3: their effort, but just getting enough offense to be able

651
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Speaker 3: to get over the top.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, can this team really win a division? Like?

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Speaker 3: I mean, is this a team that really can win

654
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Speaker 3: a division with a rookie quarterback that.

655
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: When has to do DTR?

656
00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: I mean anywhere they're not falling off. Man, it's impressive.

657
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: And then Brett on the Steeler side of things, I

658
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: want to get to you on that one. Just I

659
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: know you're starting to see Deontay Johnson. I saw a

660
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: tweet there where he's, you know, some fan had called

661
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: him out saying he ran a wrong route and he's like, Hey,

662
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 1: that ain't that's not accurate. Bah blah blah blah blah.

663
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,919
Speaker 1: And then the Kenny Pickett noise is getting louder and

664
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: louder and louder, and Matt Canada has been catching his grief,

665
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: but points is no bueno.

666
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 4: Well, I mean the best player on their team right

667
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 4: now offensively is Jalen Warren. I mean you got a

668
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: seventy four yard rushing touchdown on the second play of

669
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 4: the second half, which was more yards gained than the

670
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: entirety of the Steelers offense in the first half. Yeah,

671
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 4: I mean, like what what. I don't want to sound

672
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 4: like we're picking on Najie Harris here because I don't

673
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 4: think it's it's necessarily all his fault, but you'll get

674
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 4: nine carries on hundred twenty nine yards.

675
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 1: He have a huge runway hit twelve for thirty five

676
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 1: for Harris.

677
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just one of those things is not like

678
00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 5: the other.

679
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: You know, one deserves more.

680
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, and they just don't have in Jalen Warren's the

681
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 4: only guy with juice right now. And it's a shame

682
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 4: because there are talents there. I mean, we've seen what

683
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson can do, right, we see what George Pickens

684
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 4: is capable of goodness.

685
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 5: But you know, you just need more.

686
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 4: You need more than just a splash play here and there,

687
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 4: and they gotta find they gotta find more Jews, more consistent.

688
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: Buck, would you agree with this statement that your talent,

689
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: like you're if we look at receiving corps, your receiving

690
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: corps has to match both your quarterback and your coordinator.

691
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: That all has to be in alignment because there's different

692
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: ways to play games. There's different ways to win games.

693
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: You know, like what works with certain quarterbacks might not

694
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: work with that coordinator or you know one of the

695
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: you all have to be in alignment. Here, build your

696
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,760
Speaker 1: team that fits both your your coordinator and your quarterback.

697
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you absolutely have to to do that. And here's

698
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 3: the thing, and here's the thing. They would frustrate me

699
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: if I'm a Stills fan when it comes to Deontay Johnson, Right,

700
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: so have you washed him up close?

701
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 2: Like he's great where I running, he has tremendous skills.

702
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,239
Speaker 3: Or whatever, but he drops a lot of fastest and

703
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: so like he demands the ball, he wants the ball,

704
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: he wants to be featured. But man, there's too many

705
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,960
Speaker 3: times where they put the ball in his hands and

706
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 3: he can't catch it. And so I can understand his frustration,

707
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: but also understand the frustration of the coaches because he

708
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: has paid like a high end playmaker, but I don't

709
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 3: know if he's necessarily worthy of being considered a high

710
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: end playmaker.

711
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 2: There's just a rub.

712
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 3: And you heard Naja Harris after game talk about like

713
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 3: guys playing like not putting the team first. I feel

714
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 3: like there's a lot of stuff swirling around that locker room,

715
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 3: and I'm not surprised because when the offense doesn't perform

716
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: like that, there's a lot of finger pointing that can

717
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 3: go from offense to defense and from offensive players to

718
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 3: other offensive players, trying to blame those who they perceive

719
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: to not be carrying their weight.

720
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. RTT keep us going here, What do you.

721
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: Got next Cardinals sections and this is an interesting one.

722
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: And I don't know that anybody would have circled this

723
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 4: game on the calendar before the season started. But man,

724
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: with Kyler Murray back and based on what he did

725
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 4: last year, last week in his debut, I'm like, all right,

726
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: this is gonna be a heck of a game.

727
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 2: And it was.

728
00:30:57,400 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 5: I mean it was bombs away early, Kyler Murray found

729
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 5: Rondell More or you know, the shot shot shots, the

730
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 5: whole thing it was.

731
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: It was they had it going right.

732
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 4: But you know, we used to do a show I

733
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: used to do a show with Brian Billick and Sean

734
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 4: O'Hara called the Playbook for NFL Network, and one of

735
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 4: their big mantras was third down in red zone is

736
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 4: what win games? Right, And he's talking about all the time. Uh,

737
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 4: and that was such a case in this game. Here

738
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 4: just quickly to set it up on CJ. Stroud obviously

739
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 4: not his best game, through more interceptions in this game

740
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:30,479
Speaker 4: than he had the entire season leading into it.

741
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 5: The third one was the worst. You know, they're trying

742
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:34,640
Speaker 5: to put the ball away.

743
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 4: Final five minutes of the cut the game away, final

744
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 4: five minutes bad mechanics kind of falling away with.

745
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 5: Some interior pressure and throws inside on an out route.

746
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 5: Can't have it right.

747
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 4: But then the other two interceptions come in the red zone.

748
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 4: They were down in the red zone five times and

749
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 4: came away with just two touchdowns. They should have blown

750
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 4: the Cardinals out in that game. He had, you know,

751
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:56,719
Speaker 4: obviously a couple of decisions that he went back. One

752
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 4: of them I think bounced off Robert Woods's hands. The

753
00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 4: Cardinals got into the red zone once in that game,

754
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 4: so five times to one.

755
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: And then let's talk about third down. Here.

756
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: CJ.

757
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 4: Stroud on third down in this game ten for eleven,

758
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 4: one hundred and twenty six yards in a touchdown. You

759
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: know what he is now on the season adjusted completion

760
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 4: rate on third downs to account for drops, eighty percent

761
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,800
Speaker 4: on third downs. Yeah, they converted seventy percent of their

762
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 4: third downs in this game. The Cardinals converted thirty percent.

763
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 4: Like you just look at those two facets and you

764
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 4: understand how the game ended up. Now, Look, they needed

765
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: the defense to stand up in the second half. Texans

766
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 4: didn't score a point in the second half. Defense made

767
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 4: it stand up behind Will Anderson and Christian Harris, A

768
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 4: couple of draft picks there the last couple of years

769
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: there in Houston, Will had a sack, Christian Harris was

770
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 4: all over the field, tackles all over the place. Again,

771
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: fun team to watch, and they're playing complimentary football here.

772
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 4: When CJ didn't have it, defense made it stand up,

773
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 4: which is kind of cool.

774
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 1: Hey, buck real quick? Who drafted Tank Dell this week

775
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 1: in our rookie draft?

776
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh you got him, didn't he? I don't think I

777
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 2: didn't get him.

778
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,800
Speaker 1: Come on, because you took Stroud And I said, I'm

779
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: not getting you the connection yet, not get.

780
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 3: He's not letting you get the trifect of the combination.

781
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 3: But my goodness, they're young, dude. I mean just it's

782
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: it's really amazing Tangdale doing what he's doing. But man,

783
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: how about Devin Singletary going over one hundred yards like

784
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 3: you talk about the donasty Yeah. Last year, man, it

785
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 3: was all about Damian Parson all that other stuff. And

786
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 3: now for them to remember Buffalo just kind of dispatched him,

787
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 3: didn't think he really could do anything. He goes to Houston,

788
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: he's been a big time playbacker for them.

789
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,960
Speaker 2: This is a dangerous team. It's a scary team.

790
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: Because they're getting confidence and they've won in a bunch

791
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 3: of different ways. Look, man, they're gonna be a force

792
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: to be reckoned with as they continue to grow and

793
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: grow together. This is a team that has done a

794
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: really good job of rebuilding itself, and I don't I

795
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 3: think the best is yet to come because there's still

796
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 3: so many pieces that they can add to this puzzle.

797
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you what, this is a perfect This

798
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: is perfect for Arizona real quick.

799
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 2: RHT.

800
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: That's what I want to see. I want to see

801
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray play, you know, do some good things. Play well.

802
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: Give me some hope that he can, you know, be

803
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: who we has been at his best going forward. Free

804
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,040
Speaker 1: us up with the second overall pick in the draft

805
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: to be able to trade it for a king's ransom

806
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: if you wanted. I think they picked two and twenty

807
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: one if the season ended today, because obviously the Houston

808
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: pick hasn't worked out as well as they would have

809
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 1: hoped the way they're playing, right, But I mean that

810
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: I don't know everybody's We've just kind of assumed, I think,

811
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: you know, before the season started that this is you know,

812
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams or it's gonna be Drake May. They're taking

813
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 1: a quarterback, whether they're one or two. Now I'm sitting

814
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: here saying, if they're two and Kyler Murray shows you

815
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 1: what we've seen like some doing some good things. I mean,

816
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: this is a rookie of the year. This guy's had

817
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: some big time moments and big time games, and you

818
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 1: already paid him. So I don't know that. I don't

819
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: know that the threshold for him is as high as

820
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: as maybe for another, you know, first contract quarterback. You're like, Okay,

821
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: we we don't want to pay him, We're going to

822
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 1: draft another one. We'll start the process. So you've already

823
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: wrote the check, or you just.

824
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: Put you know, you just put Marvin Harrison in place

825
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,280
Speaker 4: of Greg Dortch, who is their leading.

826
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Well, that's the other thing. Yeah,

827
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: either trade that pick or you take what As I'm

828
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 1: getting started on this, I don't know that there's going

829
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,240
Speaker 1: to be a better player than Marvin Harrison in this draft.

830
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 1: And that's including the quarterbacks. So yeah, and then he's

831
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: your Larry Fitzgerald for exact generation exactly off and running

832
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: all right, next game up here? Who is up next?

833
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: It's me.

834
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: We had the Sunday night or this was the Broncos

835
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: coming back beating the Vikings. I wanted to jump in

836
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: and look at Russell Wilson. So that was my tape

837
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 1: study this morning, studied him, went through all of his plays.

838
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,439
Speaker 1: I thought it was interesting, you know, you think about

839
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: a veteran coach. Even though the points didn't come early,

840
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: they had they stalled out. They had some field goals

841
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 1: there in the first half. But I thought that to

842
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: steal a Bucky line, they let him get see the

843
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: ball go through the hoop, you know, so the way

844
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,319
Speaker 1: they start out the game as a quarterback and it's

845
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: little stick route, just an easy easy throw. Get the receiver,

846
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: gives you the numbers. It's an easy, easy completion. Then

847
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: it's a swing. Then he's checking the ball down a

848
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 1: couple of times. You know, he hit a curl and

849
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 1: so he hit a curl to Judy, he hit a

850
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: go ball of a sudden and you know, somewhat early.

851
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: But they ease him into games and they get him

852
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: and I think it kind of gets him into that mindset.

853
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: There's a reason that they're doing so well, you know,

854
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: protecting the football and not turning the ball over. I

855
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,800
Speaker 1: think sometimes in games, what you do early on in

856
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 1: the game kind of dictates the mindset for the quarterback

857
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: of how to play. And I think it's, hey, we're

858
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: going to take what they give us. Man, We're not

859
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: gonna We're not gonna try and do too much. We're

860
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: gonna take. We're gonna stay in the game's not gonna

861
00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: get away from us. Our defense is going to play well.

862
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 1: We're not going to lose the game early. We're going

863
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 1: to feel the game out. We're going to hang in

864
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: the game. And as we start getting a feel for

865
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: the opponent and what, you know, we're gonna we have

866
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: a couple of shots that we're going to dial in here,

867
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: we'll bake into the offense. But I don't know, I

868
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 1: just I thought it was kind of a masterful job

869
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,320
Speaker 1: by Sean Payton of just getting someone into the flow

870
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:58,840
Speaker 1: of a game. And that's what he did with Russell

871
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: Wilson and then obviously the big time throw late, you know,

872
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:03,399
Speaker 1: to win the ball game. But I thought that game

873
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: was one not late, but was one early with how

874
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: they kind of got into the ball game.

875
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, I give Champagne a lot of credit for

876
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 3: what he's been able to do. And this is why

877
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 3: there's something to have an experience as a head coach,

878
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: because what he's been able to do is take an

879
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: assess where Russell Wilson is, how this offense needs to flow,

880
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 3: and make tweets along the way to get it going.

881
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: So they've rilled off with four straight wins. They're now

882
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 3: sending five hundred. He's done a really good job of

883
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 3: kind of bringing Russell Wilson back. When I look at

884
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: this offense, when I squint, it's a little bit of

885
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: the Drew Brees at the end of his career offense,

886
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 3: a lot of control passes, running game dependent and then

887
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: just leaning on the veteran quarterback to make just a

888
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:46,879
Speaker 3: handful of plays each week to push them over the top.

889
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 3: Back to back weeks, we've seen Russell Wilson have a

890
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: game winning drive. We've seen him gain more confidence, and

891
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: we feel like the old Russell is coming back. And look,

892
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: I'll be the first one to say I felt I've

893
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 3: been one of his harshest critics when it comes to

894
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 3: his game falling off, but Sean Payton has done a

895
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 3: really good job of putting him in a very comfortable

896
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,240
Speaker 3: environment and allowing him to kind.

897
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 2: Of play.

898
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: In a safe space. We'll see if they can continue

899
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: to do it. But this Broadgos team, it's a lot

900
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: different than the team that played the first four or

901
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: five weeks of the season.

902
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: I mean, shoot, they're sitting near at five, they're five

903
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 4: hundred right in the mix. Thought, and here's the thing,

904
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 4: like let's just and quickly here on this one, like

905
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 4: something to be said for patients in this game, man,

906
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: I mean, Sean Payton should have fired a vance Joseph

907
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,319
Speaker 4: the minute of Miami game ended. Right should have fired

908
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 4: the defensive coordinator playing a little bit better on defense.

909
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 5: The last four or five weeks.

910
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 4: Right should have traded away Courtland Sutton and Jerry Judy.

911
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 4: Courtland Sutton's got a nice connection building a five straight

912
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 4: games a touchdown bang bang, and then Jerry Judy, you know,

913
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 4: five catches fifty eight yards in this game as well.

914
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 4: So like it has taken time, and you know, a

915
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 4: hat tip, you know to the ownership group there and

916
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 4: to the you know, front office there for exercising some

917
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,919
Speaker 4: patients with how things were going to go, not fire

918
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,520
Speaker 4: sailing everything, you know, at the trade deadline when they

919
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: certainly could have, right, and there was that there was

920
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 4: definitely that momentum towards that, but they decided to stick

921
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: it out.

922
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: And it's paying.

923
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 4: That dividends again with a coach who has a track

924
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 4: record of telling you he can do it.

925
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: So Yeah. Also, there's sign of a good coach, guys,

926
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: is when you get points before the half. That's big, man,

927
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: like just even going down there getting that field goal.

928
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 1: It's this it's kind of cliche or hockey like situational

929
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 1: mastery or whatever, like, yeah, you know what, good teams

930
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 1: and good quarterbacks they get those points every single time,

931
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: you know, and they don't try and do too much,

932
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: just get the field going and get some points and

933
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: off you go into the half. It's just the sign

934
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: of a well coached team to me. Teams that know

935
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 1: how to manage those end a half and end of

936
00:39:49,400 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 1: game situations. They've obviously done at the end of the

937
00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: game the last couple of weeks.

938
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 3: They certainly have, and everyone has to be on the

939
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: same page to do it coach player for them to

940
00:39:58,160 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 3: kind of make the plays that they've been able to do.

941
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: I'm really kind of astonished because I did not think

942
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 3: that Russell still had any of that.

943
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: Left, but that's it.

944
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,320
Speaker 3: On the other side, I am amazed at how much

945
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 3: leeway they're giving Josh Dobbs as a backup quarterback, and

946
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,720
Speaker 3: I mean it is as if he has the full

947
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:20,439
Speaker 3: complement of plays game plan. They're throwing almost every down,

948
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, I don't know if I've ever

949
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 3: seen a backup quarterback get this much uh leeway. Yeah,

950
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 3: to just kind of operate and play like a franchise quarterback.

951
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 3: I mean, it's a credit to him learning to the offense.

952
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: But I do wonder if take a skilly back just

953
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 3: a little bit and not necessarily make him the playmaker,

954
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,720
Speaker 3: but a little more of the game manager.

955
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,120
Speaker 1: Plus, I mean, if he just plays like this even

956
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:44,720
Speaker 1: if they're if they don't win, Kevin's gonna he's gonna

957
00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: get the Coach of the Year. He's going to be

958
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: in the running for the Coach of the Year. What

959
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: he's been able to do. I give Kevin o'connen a

960
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: lot of credit as well as Dobbs. Dobbs been has

961
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: been awesome, but Kevin's made him comfortable and they rolled there.

962
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: We've got one more game here, Buck, You've got what

963
00:40:57,600 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: you got the Raiders and Dolphins here.

964
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, Raiders, and so this is one that you wanted

965
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 3: to see because you look, the Raiders had created a

966
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 3: little buzz, have won two straight games at home. So

967
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 3: now they're going to take on a big opponent and

968
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: the Miami Dolphins, and look, a very competitive game, a

969
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 3: game that was right there for them to take. Couldn't

970
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 3: make the plays, But to me, this is all about

971
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 3: the Dolphins. And normally I come in talk about the

972
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: Dolphins offense, which is always remarkable, like Tyreek Hill is

973
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: him hydro forty six receiving yards, did a really good

974
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 3: job of making plays.

975
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: But this defense is kind of rounding into form. Oh,

976
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 2: Jalen Ramsey coming back as interceptions in the two tail weeks. Yeah,

977
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 2: like Jalen Phillips driven him, teaming up with Bradley Chubb

978
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 2: giving him the pass rush to go with the coverage.

979
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,239
Speaker 2: And it's a team that you know, they hadn't beat

980
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 2: any heavyweights, but they're sitting in a perfect spot where

981
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 2: they could swipe the number one seed. It's the Kansas

982
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 2: City the Chiefs falter and then all roads go through

983
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 2: South Florida with a defense that's really beginning to kind

984
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 2: of come into his own under Vic fangioll. This defense

985
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: look like it's going to be one of those tough

986
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: defenses down to stretch. Could be a very very difficult

987
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 2: team to face because you can't keep up with the

988
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 2: offense and then defensively they get in turnovers. Very problematic

989
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,360
Speaker 2: for the opponents in the AFC.

990
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's you know, it's a big win for them.

991
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: I actually had a little bit of a premonition that

992
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 1: the Raiders might keep this close. I think it's an

993
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: easy game to overlook. I know the Raiders have won

994
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: a couple games, but you're the Dolphins and you're kind

995
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: of going through your schedule and that one doesn't really

996
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: pop right, and you got Aidan O'Connell out there. So

997
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: it was kind of one of those muddy, ugly games.

998
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: But you got to find a way to win those

999
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: games when you're not necessarily playing your best. And offensively

1000
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: they weren't at their best, but the defense bailed them out.

1001
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,040
Speaker 1: Battle is big, Yeah, yeah, so you pick them off

1002
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: three times. That helps Rhett on any of these other

1003
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: games here, Giants, Commanders, Cowboys, Panthers, Jets, Bills was a

1004
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,919
Speaker 1: thrashing and then Seahawks Rams ended up being a great game.

1005
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 1: Any comments, any nuggets on any of those.

1006
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:59,439
Speaker 4: Panthers fans are overly attached to Brian Burns. I don't

1007
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 4: know if you guys read your comments.

1008
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: Us.

1009
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: They did not want you trading Brian Burns.

1010
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 5: They did not want to traden Brian Burns.

1011
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:08,240
Speaker 2: Guys.

1012
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 4: And I just say, like, if you're Panthers fanning, you

1013
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 4: watched the end of that game where you know it went.

1014
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 5: From bad to worse like that for the Rice.

1015
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 4: Young in the offense, you're like, guys, I mean like,

1016
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 4: I don't know how many more offensive coordinators you want

1017
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 4: to how many more play callers do you want to

1018
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 4: put in here? Give Josh mccounter run. It's the same

1019
00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,200
Speaker 4: guys out there, you know, and and so like it's

1020
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,799
Speaker 4: it's just it's time for them to start figuring out

1021
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 4: that playing forward to help help out on offense. And

1022
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,879
Speaker 4: the thing I'll say on the bills, they had fun

1023
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: playing offense, which I don't know that we could say

1024
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 4: that for the last you know, ten weeks, like everything

1025
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 4: looked like it was hard.

1026
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 5: You're always fighting, scratching and cross klawn.

1027
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 4: In this game, it just it felt like things it

1028
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,480
Speaker 4: just felt a little bit more natural. And I think

1029
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 4: that's not just on coordinator change. I think that's mentality

1030
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 4: change from the quarterback and from the associated weapons out

1031
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: there to get that thing together and understand how they

1032
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 4: want to attack. And it obviously paid big definitds.

1033
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 1: I didn't see that game, either of you guys. Buck

1034
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,920
Speaker 1: did did Joe Brady take his notebook and slam it

1035
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: on the ground and start punching it in the press spot?

1036
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 3: He didn't give us the couple, but he had a

1037
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 3: he had a couple of fist pumps.

1038
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 2: He was a little excited. Uh, they got it going.

1039
00:44:20,640 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 3: And look, he did a really good job of just

1040
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 3: kind of keeping as simple man. Look, his players not plays.

1041
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 3: He put the ball in the hands of the best playmakers.

1042
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 3: They made plays, and those things the thing that I am.

1043
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 3: I guess I can't understand this when people are watching

1044
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 3: the Jets, I can't understand, like, why all the conversation

1045
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: is centered on the quarterback. Their their office is terrible

1046
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 3: up front, It's terrible, and I don't know if anyone

1047
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: could could thrive in that situation. I'm not saying is

1048
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 3: zach which is going to amount to anything, but man,

1049
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 3: I just feel like he has been the punching bag

1050
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,520
Speaker 3: that has allowed people to ignore all the other stuff

1051
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 3: that is really plaguing this team.

1052
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: This team offensively is bad and they're not going to

1053
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 2: win games no matter who you tried out there. Joe

1054
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: Names could come back, but they're not going to be

1055
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: any better until they change.

1056
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,440
Speaker 1: Here's here's here's my question. It is baffling to me

1057
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: in that in that market in the last twenty I

1058
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: was maybe you can even go back thirty years outside

1059
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:27,240
Speaker 1: of Eli Manning, who by the way, had a bumpy ride,

1060
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: you know, if not for you know what he did

1061
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 1: in the postseason. Tell me the guy that's had developed

1062
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,919
Speaker 1: and had any staying power there. They eat their own

1063
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: at the quarterback position in that market for the Jets

1064
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: and the Giants. I'm tell me who the like Mark

1065
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: Santez had a little blip and then he was gone gone.

1066
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 1: It's so to me, it's it's it's almost a from

1067
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 1: a team building philosophy, it's almost like, hey, we're just

1068
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: gonna bring in the veterans. We're gonna we're gonna overpay

1069
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,799
Speaker 1: if we have to trade for one, if we're gonna

1070
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: do whatever. But we got to have somebody who's got

1071
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 1: some credibility because it turns on it's just such an

1072
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: eas escapegoat and it's like, ah, look at this, you

1073
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 1: know this, this one dumb play and then he's the

1074
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: worst player of all time and they're like, I get it.

1075
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 1: They can't score points, they cannot score points, and Zach

1076
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 1: Wilson is not good, He's not played good. I don't

1077
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,439
Speaker 1: know that he's the answer. I think he might be,

1078
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, ruined, and you can, you can, you can

1079
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,760
Speaker 1: get a million different opinions if you talk to people

1080
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: in the football space about who's you know, who's responsible

1081
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,319
Speaker 1: for why he's been as bad as he is. But

1082
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,080
Speaker 1: I think if you open your eyes and look at it,

1083
00:46:28,160 --> 00:46:31,919
Speaker 1: you can say they cannot protect. They cannot run the ball.

1084
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: Every time. I mean, I'm always flying. I feel like

1085
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 1: when these games are going on, and I feel like

1086
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: I always look down at box scores, I'm like, oh

1087
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: my gosh, Dak Wilson's lead him and rushing again, Like

1088
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: they can't run the ball, so you can't pass protect,

1089
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: you can't run the ball, they can't catch, they have

1090
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 1: drops every week. I'm sure I didn't even see this one,

1091
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: but I'm sure there were and and without without pause,

1092
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:54,280
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you there's a handful of dumb penalties

1093
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: because they're good for a handful of those every week.

1094
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: So I mean, and Zach Wilson. You know, look, I'm

1095
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: almost like waving the white flag on that, like, hey,

1096
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: you got you guys win. You want to move on

1097
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 1: from Zack Wilson, move on from Zach Wilson. I'm fine.

1098
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to fight that fight anymore. But if

1099
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: you think that this is the that that is the

1100
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: singular issue with this offense, you are not being honest

1101
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 1: with yourself. There is that? Is that enough? I wouldn't

1102
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: even want to talk about them today because it's just

1103
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: like a watch watch.

1104
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 3: They're they're really really really hard to watch, really hard.

1105
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: To It's not an easy watch on your eyes for sure.

1106
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,919
Speaker 1: All Right, that's going to do it for us today.

1107
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,359
Speaker 1: It's a fun episode, some interesting games. We have got

1108
00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 1: a banger coming up tonight, Game of the week really

1109
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: Monday Night. We've got the Chiefs, We've got the Eagles.

1110
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,879
Speaker 1: We will dig into that tomorrow, break that one down

1111
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 1: for you, and we will have shows each and every

1112
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 1: day this week. Given those Thanksgiving we will record, record

1113
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: a little bit and we'll have five for you coming.

1114
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: So we appreciate you. And by the way, he'll love this.

1115
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:54,279
Speaker 1: I uh I always print out our notes and our

1116
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: rundown and everything, so apparently on the printer I added

1117
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 1: an extra page which was not that which is the

1118
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:11,279
Speaker 1: buck you'll like this, which is for the Rouths. Yes, yes, yeah,

1119
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: very good. Yeah, but big Ruth Chris guy, so I

1120
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: know he would love that. Anyways, we'll get that cast

1121
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: role done. We'll get that done for Thanksgiving. All right,

1122
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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Right here, unmove the sticks.