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Speaker 1: Astrology is the study of how the sky mirrors what

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Speaker 1: happens on earth, of your life, of your life's purpose,

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Speaker 1: of your soul. What do you want to do with that?

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Speaker 2: Hey? Everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you

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Speaker 2: come to become happier, healthier, and more healed. Today's guest

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Speaker 2: is astrologer and author Channy Nichols, whose book You Were

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Speaker 2: Born For This has helped millions find meaning in their

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Speaker 2: charts and their lives. As we close the year and

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Speaker 2: prepare for a new one, Channey invites us to reflect, release,

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Speaker 2: and step into what's next with clarity and intention. And

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Speaker 2: if you're loving our conversation, I highly recommend you go

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Speaker 2: and grab your copy of You Were Born for This

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Speaker 2: Astrology for Radical Self Acceptance by Channy Nichols. Channy, welcome

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Speaker 2: to On Purpose.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: It's so great to have you here because I feel

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Speaker 2: astrology is only being talked about more. Yes, people are

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Speaker 2: more and more more curious, they're more and more fascinated

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Speaker 2: they are, and at the same time that leads to

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Speaker 2: more and more misinformation, a misunderstanding and misconception, and excitement

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Speaker 2: and energy and language and vocabulary changing. But with all

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Speaker 2: of that, I wanted to start with a really simple question.

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Speaker 2: And I'm asking this, funnily enough, as much for everyone

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Speaker 2: else as I am for myself as well for anyone

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Speaker 2: who's heard of astrology but doesn't really know what it is.

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Speaker 2: What is astrology and how does it work?

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Speaker 1: So astrology is the study of how the sky mirrors

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Speaker 1: what happens on earth. Astrology in your astrology chart is

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Speaker 1: a mirror of your life, of your life's purpose, of

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Speaker 1: your soul. It's a mirror of the events that also

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Speaker 1: happen on the earth. And when you're born. Somebody's astrology

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Speaker 1: chart is literally like a map of their life. It's

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Speaker 1: a map of your potential. It's a map of your problems.

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Speaker 1: It's a map of your growth edges. It's a map

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Speaker 1: of all the ways in which you need to grow

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Speaker 1: and work and change into yourself. And what it also

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Speaker 1: signifies is that there's this kind of sense of you're

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Speaker 1: an amulet of the exact time that you were born.

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Speaker 1: So every single moment of life has its own chart.

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Speaker 1: So us meeting today has a chart for it, and

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Speaker 1: it is a crystallization, or the chart becomes a map

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Speaker 1: of what we're crystallizing together. So you as a person,

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Speaker 1: when you're born, we look at we take a snapshot

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Speaker 1: of the entire sky when you're born, and the exact

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Speaker 1: location and the exact time that you were born, and

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Speaker 1: we see where everything was in the sky. And that

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Speaker 1: is the amulet of you, if you so choose to

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Speaker 2: So you're looking at everything from the stars, the moon,

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Speaker 2: the position of where you were born, the time of.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're looking at everything. So literally, right now, if

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Speaker 1: we were to take a snapshot of the sky, because

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Speaker 1: we are in this place and because it's this time,

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Speaker 1: there's a specific sign rising up over the horizon, the

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Speaker 1: and so astrology is the study of those relationships. One

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Speaker 1: and it's a seven hundred year documentation of the planet's

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Speaker 1: So it's literally our longest standing scientific record. Humans forever

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Speaker 1: if you think about it, I was somewhere recently where

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Speaker 1: there wasn't a lot of electricity, and I could have

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Speaker 1: You can see galaxies, I mean, you can see the

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Speaker 1: milky Way. You can see and then you can see

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Speaker 1: the planets moving. And so we've always until very recently,

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Speaker 1: that moment out. So you're a moment in time, and

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Speaker 1: with free will as a soul, you get to live

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Speaker 1: that out and express that however you want, like, but

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Speaker 1: it is what it is, but you have free will

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Speaker 2: We're going to get to that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, when did you know it freaks people out?

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Speaker 2: No? When did humans? When did humans start to develop

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Speaker 2: Because when you say who we are, are you talking

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Speaker 1: So the personality kind of test of astrology is fairly

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Speaker 1: new in terms of astrologies, long long history, but humans

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Speaker 1: from the caves of Lesso and France, they are the stars,

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Speaker 1: And so again we have to remember like as hunters

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Speaker 1: So we were literally like it was part of our

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Speaker 1: it was used to understand like rulerships, and it was

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Speaker 1: then slowly, over a longer period of time, it began

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Speaker 2: For anyone who's listening in their skeptical about astrology, they

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Speaker 2: have their doubts, they're cynical about it. What would you

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Speaker 1: Great, I love it, like you should be cynical. And also,

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Speaker 1: God forbid we all like the same thing. It's like,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that I don't really even want to

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Speaker 1: whatever that might mean. I think diversity is really important.

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Speaker 1: I think that the main, my main agenda is that

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Speaker 1: you towards serving the world in your own specific way.

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Speaker 1: I think that for me, astrology is my quickest entry

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Speaker 1: all legitimate and wonderful. I just want you to find

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Speaker 1: don't know of anybody, and I, you know, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: there is people out there. I don't know of anybody

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Speaker 1: like really thoroughly studying it and then feeling like it

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Speaker 1: had no merit whatsoever. Young the psychotherapist psychologist famously thought

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Speaker 1: But I feel like most people that don't like it

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Speaker 2: Tell tell me about the difference between what you were

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Speaker 1: So sun sign horoscopes were developed around the time of

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Speaker 1: Because basically, if you knew the day that you were born,

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Speaker 1: And the rising sign is so specific because again it's

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Speaker 1: all of that. So your sun sign is like something

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Speaker 1: Only your rising sign can tell us your entry point,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, if you are like I don't want to

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Speaker 1: chart is so much more complex than that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: get into of meaning that people again spent thousands of

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Speaker 1: and so your sun sign is like, it's fun to share,

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Speaker 1: it's very memeable, it's very gameable, it's very shareable, and

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Speaker 1: so it's an entry point, but it has so little

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Speaker 1: at when we look at your chart.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, relieving, Yeah that's good. Yeah, Yeah, it's really helpful

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Speaker 2: because I feel like you're absolutely right that it's sharable,

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Speaker 2: it's interesting, it's fun to talk about. But then when

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Speaker 2: you look at how valuabilel it is or how accurate

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Speaker 2: it is, naturally, it's never going to feel that way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It's the same as a broad personality test that divides

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Speaker 2: you into four core personality types. It's like, of course,

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Speaker 2: we're far more complex and layer than that. Yeah, and

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Speaker 2: we all believe that, especially as we get older. Can

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Speaker 2: you explain you've been referencing birth chart and chart. Can

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Speaker 2: you explain what that birth chart is? I imagine it's

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Speaker 2: when you're born, as you were saying, where everything lands

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Speaker 1: the moment where she was like, well, the ruler of

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Speaker 1: your as sentence in the third House, and I was like, oh,

433
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,240
Speaker 1: and it all just clicked. And I'd always wanted to write,

434
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:54,080
Speaker 1: but I never thought I was smart enough. I didn't

435
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: think I was educated enough. I didn't think I was

436
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,200
Speaker 1: able to do it. And it's literally one of the

437
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: things that changed my entire life. And it's right there,

438
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,760
Speaker 1: plain as day in my chart. And I didn't see

439
00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 1: it for like twenty years, wow, because I started looking

440
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: at astrology and understanding my chart at age twelve. Wow.

441
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 1: So but I didn't really I didn't really know what

442
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,159
Speaker 1: I was looking because I didn't have traditional astrology. So

443
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, when you meet your teacher also, everything really

444
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: starts to come into practice and into place. And so

445
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 1: when I met my astrology teacher and she taught me

446
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: this really ancient traditional way of doing astrology, it just

447
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: landed everything. And it was like this whole rubric that

448
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: was so clear and so concise and so specific and

449
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: so not about my intuition or not about you know,

450
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: what I felt about the chart or anything like that,

451
00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: not about like oh I knew this scorpio once and

452
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: they did this. It's like really like no, if this

453
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: is here, this means this, Yeah, do this and see

454
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Speaker 1: what happened.

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Speaker 2: So you're actually saying that astrology is guiding us when

456
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 2: you say purpose, But really you're talking about activity task

457
00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: methodology like you said, writing, speaking, teaching. Yeah, those are

458
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: very occupational in that they are an activity that someone

459
00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,679
Speaker 2: can take out. Yes, so you're saying that astrology. Am

460
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 2: I right in saying that? You're saying astrology shares your

461
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: purpose and it defines purpose as activity of greatness?

462
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: Yes? And it can get more complex than that. So

463
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Speaker 1: say if the ruler of your ascendance in your eighth house.

464
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,800
Speaker 1: The eighth house is a place of loss and grief

465
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Speaker 1: and mental anguish. It's also a place of inheritance and

466
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: other people's money, and there's a lot of things connected

467
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Speaker 1: to it. And so when you see somebody's you know,

468
00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: when you see a significant placement in a part of

469
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Speaker 1: the chred that's really difficult, you have to wonder if

470
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Speaker 1: they've got there yet. But often when I see really

471
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 1: significant placements in difficult houses in the chart, I'll ask like,

472
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: are you are you a grief doulah? Are you someone

473
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: who does trauma informed counseling? Are you you know, do

474
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 1: you feel really receptive to other people's pain and suffering,

475
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: and so it's not as clear sometimes, Like sometimes it

476
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,439
Speaker 1: is like you could go and study and be you know,

477
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: someone who does hospice work or something like that, if

478
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: that call to you. But sometimes it's a little bit

479
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 1: less specific. But it's very important still for that person

480
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: to be able to move towards that area of life

481
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 1: and know that the inklings that they have towards that

482
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: area of life are very much embedded in their life's purpose.

483
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Speaker 1: And I've just seen time and time again once they

484
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Speaker 1: once you take that action towards that that things just

485
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: start to open up and fall into place and then

486
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 1: you find your way to do that signature in your chart.

487
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 2: Can your astrology tell you whether you're going to be

488
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: a millionaire or a billionaire?

489
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 1: Well, there's a famous quote attributed to JP Morgan that

490
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Speaker 1: says millionaires don't use astrology, but billionaires do. And it's

491
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: not clear if he actually ever said that, but he

492
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: worked with an astrologer, Evangeline Adams, for a very long

493
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 1: time and he was actually like a student of hers.

494
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,119
Speaker 1: He got readings from her and she taught him and

495
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: so he used astrology to do his banking. So I

496
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,760
Speaker 1: think that there are definitely signatures that can tell you

497
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: when somebody is really adapt at working with the material world,

498
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: and whether they engage with that or not is also

499
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: their choice. I see a lot of people that have

500
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: a lot of talents in their chart in their life

501
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: and they don't necessarily engage with it. You also have

502
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: to have the friction. You also have to have the

503
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: thing that spurs you into action to make use of

504
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 1: the gifts that you've got.

505
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: But your astrology doesn't tell you whether you have that part.

506
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: Yeah it is.

507
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, So your astrology could literally say you have talent,

508
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: but you have no spark.

509
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't say that. I would say if someone

510
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 1: has a really like easy setup, I would say the

511
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 1: most important thing for you to do is to embrace

512
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: the struggles in your life. Is to like really lean

513
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 1: into what is going to challenge you and who is

514
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: going to challenge you, and what's going to help you

515
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: to struggle to find your own way and don't lean

516
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: on the things that are necessarily so easy.

517
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Speaker 2: It's fascinating because I can think of so many people

518
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 2: in my life right yeah, And it's interesting that astrology also,

519
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: I assume, by what you just said right now, believes

520
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: in growth being critical for humans to live a great life.

521
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: I have a lot of friends you say to me,

522
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 2: and they're not speaking astrological and you're just speaking in

523
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 2: self awareness and they're saying, Jay, this is just who

524
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: I am. They're like, Jay, you're ambitious, you're driven. Yeah,

525
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: you know I'm not. Yeah, and so you know this

526
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: is just my life. And I'm like, well, I don't

527
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 2: know if I was always ambitious or driven. I feel

528
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: like there were skills I learned and habits I developed,

529
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: and there were coaches and mentors in my life who

530
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 2: taught me certain things. And you can build confidence and

531
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 2: you can build skill sets that allow you to live

532
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: a better life. And I don't just mean materially.

533
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm to me as well, yeah, And.

534
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: They'll be like no, no, no, But you know some

535
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 2: of us are wired like you, and some of us

536
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Speaker 2: are not. So is that true? Is that?

537
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there's I think there's some truth to that. Okay,

538
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: to you, But I think you can choose to not

539
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: rest there, right, Like it's do you what do you

540
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: want from this life? It's really about that, Like are

541
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:47,600
Speaker 1: those people happy or are they They're not snorrying, right,

542
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: but are they interested in their suffering enough to do

543
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: something to change it. And so what I'll look for

544
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: is time periods that will come along and kind of

545
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: put the pressure on and be like this you're gonna

546
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: if you haven't done your work, if you haven't individuated,

547
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: if you haven't really tried to build something in yourself

548
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: of your own efforts, then this period of time is

549
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: going to really be rough. But that's good for you.

550
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: You know, like Saturn will come along as a planet

551
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: of boundaries and structure, and it will come along and

552
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: hold you in place until you figure out how to

553
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: either find another way to move or to like lift

554
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 1: the weight that's on you enough times until you get

555
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 1: strong enough to move it completely. And Saturn's a planet

556
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: that you can also look at in terms of your

557
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: life cycles. So Saturn comes along every seven years and

558
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 1: does something really important. So at age seven, it comes

559
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: along and helps you to distinguish yourself a little bit

560
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: from your parents, helps you to find like your own

561
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: see and then at age fourteen, age fourteen's usually that's

562
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: called a Saturn opposition. It's usually a time where something

563
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: happens in our life. And you know, we're fourteen, so

564
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense. Psychologically speaking, but something happens

565
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: or we're like, wait a minute, this is what I want,

566
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 1: this is what you want, These are the expectations you

567
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: have on me. This is what And then at twenty

568
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: one we have another one and it's part of the

569
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 1: adult cycle. And then from twenty eight to thirty Saturn

570
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: closes the loop when we go through something called a

571
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:27,080
Speaker 1: Saturn return, and that's where we move through our first

572
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: really big threshold where we move from whatever remnants of

573
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 1: being a child or whatever remnants of being a young

574
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: adult kind of like have to trickle away, and we're

575
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 1: asked to move and cross a threshold into our true

576
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: adulthood and to take responsibility for our decisions and our actions.

577
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 1: And so if you miss that, if you're like, nah,

578
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,719
Speaker 1: it's gonna be harder and harder, and you'll have like,

579
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: in the next seven years, you'll have another moment of struggle.

580
00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: And so that, like saying the seven year itch is

581
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: interesting because it is like a saddern cycle.

582
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: And even in marriage, right, like, yeah, most divorces happen

583
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: at five to seven years.

584
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, yeah, it's that friction point.

585
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 2: Fascinating. Okay, well, you write in your book that our

586
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: chart isn't our fate, it's an invitation. And I think

587
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 2: this idea of fate and free will, and you mentioned

588
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: it earlier that what does astrology believe about fate and

589
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,360
Speaker 2: free will? Do we have agency or is everything predetermined?

590
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,120
Speaker 1: You and I right now are in this city. We're

591
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: not in a city, We're not in France. We're here,

592
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: and so there's certain conditions here. We can't do everything here,

593
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: but we can do all the things in this city

594
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: that we can do. And so it's the same with

595
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,880
Speaker 1: your chart. It's like you're given a landscape. What do

596
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: you want to do with that? How do you want

597
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: to approach it?

598
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: Yeah?

599
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,800
Speaker 1: And how do you want to work with these really

600
00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 1: specific skills and this really specific setup.

601
00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like I was born in London. Yeah,

602
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,959
Speaker 2: you were born in Canada. Yeah, and that created a

603
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: certain environment, Yeah, what was available. Yeah, I was aware

604
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 2: of what was possible. Yeah, but somehow I've ended up

605
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:13,479
Speaker 2: in LA. You lived in la and you live in

606
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: New York now. And if someone told me all the

607
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: way up until the age of twenty eight, which is

608
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 2: when I moved to New York, if anyone told.

609
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 1: Me that in return.

610
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. If anyone told me up until that age that

611
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,919
Speaker 2: I would ever live in any other place apart from

612
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: Northwest London, I wouldn't have believed it.

613
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Wow, Oh, so you've left London at twenty eight.

614
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. The first time I left was when I lived

615
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 2: in India for a period of my time as a monk,

616
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 2: and then I left when I came and lived in

617
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 2: New York first, and then now La. And so the

618
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 2: reason I'm bringing that up is to say that there

619
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: is more choice and free will and agency than we

620
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: sometimes think. When you're looking at astrology and you might

621
00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 2: consider everything's predetermined.

622
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Like I know, you know, I'll see like

623
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 1: harrowing Transit's come up for me, and I have to

624
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 1: be like, I'm not going to catastrophize this, but i

625
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: have to work against it. You know, it is just

626
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 1: a natural human thing. And then I'll live through it

627
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, oh, that was totally different than

628
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: I thought, but it's so emblematic of what it was

629
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:20,720
Speaker 1: and I absolutely needed to go through that. It's always

630
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: about like distancing yourself enough from the thing, from your

631
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: astrology chart, from the thing that you're going through so

632
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 1: that you can understand what life is trying to teach you.

633
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: So when people come to me and they're like really

634
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: in trouble or they're really in a lot of pain,

635
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 1: sometimes it can help to be like, yeah, this started

636
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: six months ago and it's going to last for like

637
00:35:45,480 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: another eight months. You're in the middle of it. You

638
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 1: know what it is? This is it?

639
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: Like?

640
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: How else too? How do you want to hold this?

641
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: How do you want to work with this? What is

642
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: this teaching you? Like, this might be some suffering, but

643
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: what else is here to teach you? Or what is

644
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: it here to teach you? What can you learn? And

645
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: if if I am struggling and I look and see

646
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: I'm in a challenging aspect, then I can be like, oh, okay,

647
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:20,319
Speaker 1: then it's not just out of the bus. It doesn't

648
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 1: feel random, I think for some people. And so that's

649
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: the other side of like Murcury's retrogrades, something's going to

650
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: work out. We don't want to do that, but we

651
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 1: do want to use it and be like, Okay, it's

652
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: just a time period. It's just a cycle that we're

653
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: in that I'm in.

654
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 2: Does your astrology tell you who you're going to fall

655
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: in love with?

656
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: No? It tells you, though, what you need out of

657
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: a relationship interesting, so it tells you the quality and

658
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: the nature of the person that you need. So for

659
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: me also, I didn't realize this until after I had

660
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: met my wife, but I really need somebody to like

661
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: work with me. I need someone to be like right,

662
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: need someone to partner with me in every single way possible.

663
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: And when we met, she just did that instantly. And

664
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: I was working with my teacher at that point, and

665
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: she pointed that signature in my chart out to me,

666
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,279
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, my god, that's what she does.

667
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: Like me and my wife met and I didn't even

668
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 1: know how to put a PayPal button on my website,

669
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: like on my blog, and she put it on there

670
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: in like two seconds, and I was just like, wow,

671
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: you're a magician. And we just became business partners like immediately,

672
00:37:30,080 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: and so then we grew this business together and then

673
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: we created an app, and you know, the rest is

674
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 1: kind of history. But she was an immediate partner for me.

675
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: And that is a very specifically accurate, you know, like

676
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 1: read of my chart, so you can see like what

677
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: kind of qualities and what kind of nature you need

678
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 1: from somebody.

679
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,439
Speaker 2: Does it predict when you're going to fall in love.

680
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure those Vedic astrologers at the Ashtram

681
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 1: would say, yeah, there's certainly definitely timing techniques. There's like

682
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: ancient timing techniques for everything. I think that they're correct,

683
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:11,879
Speaker 1: they don't necessarily I don't know if they'll always say,

684
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 1: like how long it will last. Some astrologers are excellent

685
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 1: at doing that, but I think that what's more important

686
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: is understanding yourself, understanding the qualities that you need in

687
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: a partner, and finding that energetic match with somebody else

688
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: before you really even touch the astrology. I don't know.

689
00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 1: I think I'm not as interested in finding out when

690
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: something is going to happen in my life as I

691
00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: am and understanding who I am and what I've got

692
00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:50,279
Speaker 1: to give this moment, and like what's possible here, Like

693
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: what could I what could I do with what I have?

694
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: Because I think that our agency is the greatest power

695
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: that we have, and so I again, I never want

696
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: the astrology to get in the way of you understanding

697
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,840
Speaker 1: your agency. Yeah, so those predictions can be right, but

698
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if they're helpful to know.

699
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: I imagine though, that that's the kind of questions people

700
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: ask you, because when I talk to my friends who

701
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,919
Speaker 2: go to astrologers, it's constantly to figure out, like when

702
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 2: am I going to meet the guy? Or you know,

703
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: when should I you know, when should I think about

704
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: selling my company? Or when should I start my company?

705
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 2: Or those are the questions that I'm hearing that they're asking,

706
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 2: and then they tell me what their astrologer said. Yeah,

707
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 2: and sometimes people be as specific as you should marry

708
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 2: someone whose name begins with ah and you'll probably meet

709
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 2: them in the next six months, or they'll get an

710
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 2: answer that's like, well, you're not going to find someone

711
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 2: for two years, yeah, and so what do you make

712
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: you're saying that that could be accurate, but you're saying

713
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: that's actually not the best use of astrology almost.

714
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's up to you, right right, It's like,

715
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: what do you want to use it for. I don't

716
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 1: use it for that because I don't think that's helpful

717
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:20,480
Speaker 1: for the people I work with.

718
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 2: Right.

719
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: I think that picking a time to launch your business

720
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 1: is great. If you like, give me a time frame.

721
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: If you're like, I want to launch it in the

722
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,279
Speaker 1: next three months, I'll give you the best day in

723
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: time within the next three months to launch.

724
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 2: Talk to me about that. So how is that calculated

725
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 2: and why is that important?

726
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 1: You just look for the best signature within the timeframe

727
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: you're given. And what do you don't have like forever?

728
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 1: You just have like the timeframe. So people want to

729
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 1: get married, I'm like, well, what's the best day in

730
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: August to get married? And then I have to look

731
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: at a time that's like reasonable to get married. Like

732
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: I'm not going to say four in the morning. I'm

733
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 1: going to say I'm going to look for like any

734
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:55,319
Speaker 1: evening period or an afternoon period, and then look to

735
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 1: see I want the conditions of the planets associated with

736
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 1: the event to be good. So a wedding, I want

737
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: venus to be good, and a venus is really not

738
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,760
Speaker 1: in a great situation the month you want to get married,

739
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: then I'll look for something else, Like I'll ask you, like,

740
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: is it really do we have to do August? Could

741
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: we do July? Or is that totally out of the question.

742
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: And if it's out of the question, then it is

743
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 1: you just you have to live your life and how.

744
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: Does that impact the quality of a marriage or a business?

745
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: Well, it is the the imprint of it. So it's

746
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,399
Speaker 1: the launch of it. So it's the mark of it.

747
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: And so you don't want to play god with it.

748
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: You know, there's there's like there's problems with every moment

749
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: in time, there's problems with every chart. You just want

750
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 1: to look for something that's relatively auspicious.

751
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like trying to find a sunny day. Yeah,

752
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: it's like no one, no one, Like you don't want

753
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: to get married on a rainy day. Yeah, and so

754
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:56,200
Speaker 2: you're trying to find like that's just a natural inkling.

755
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: Yeah.

756
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: And so you're saying similarly on a planetree sun level,

757
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: you want to find a day that feels auspicious for

758
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:04,400
Speaker 2: a better way. But yeah, you know you're trying to

759
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: find what a day that has good energy.

760
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, it has like a good coming together yeah of things.

761
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: It's got like a good a good picture to it.

762
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: And so you want to begin something if it's within

763
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 1: your control. You want to begin something with as much

764
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: on your side as possible.

765
00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

766
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, But then the thing you have to learn is

767
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,919
Speaker 1: that's still up to you, Like that's yours to still learn.

768
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 1: You can pick the best astrology chart in the world,

769
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: but if the person you're getting married to isn't the

770
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: right person for you? Like, it's not gonna do that much.

771
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: Maybe the divorce will be better, Yeah, but it's still like,

772
00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: you still have to live your life. You still have

773
00:42:42,200 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: to take the actions, you still have to do the

774
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: hard stuff. You still have to show up.

775
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 2: What do you feel having helped so many people being

776
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: deep into this work, how have you seen astrology really

777
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,920
Speaker 2: help people? Where is it truly change people's lives?

778
00:42:56,320 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 1: I think it really truly changes people's lives when they

779
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 1: need the confirmation that their soul's purpose is what they

780
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: think it is. So like, I remember when I met

781
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 1: my wife, I refused to look at her astrology chart.

782
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: I didn't want to see it. I don't want to know.

783
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: So I sent her to my teacher and she got

784
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 1: a reading. And my teacher didn't know anything about her.

785
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: I looked at her chart and said, oh, your life's

786
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 1: work is in the realm of gender base violence. And

787
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: she was like yeah, But she was a banker at

788
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: the time and she wasn't valuing that part of her work,

789
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: even though it was something she had done since she

790
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: was sixteen, And that reading gave her the kind of

791
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: affirmation she needed to move fully towards it. And it's

792
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,560
Speaker 1: one simple thing, you know, It's one thing that someone

793
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: says to you. And it's quite often at those junctures

794
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,319
Speaker 1: in our life, we just need that one thing, that

795
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: one person to just hold that little bit of space

796
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: for us to say, yeah, you are there, it is.

797
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: It's plain as day, and then you can Then you

798
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: again have to go off and do all the work.

799
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: Astrology is not going to do the work for you.

800
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to act on that insight. Yeah, that

801
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 2: insight can be so reassuring and reaffirming totally, because everyone

802
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 2: else has been reminding you of the opposite ever since

803
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 2: you were born.

804
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: Right, We have a lot of obligations, we have a

805
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,200
Speaker 1: lot of responsibilities. A lot of people want us to

806
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 1: be a certain way, not because they're bad people, but

807
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: just because of whatever conditions we're in. And astrology is

808
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: one tool that can help you to distinguish yourself and

809
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: really see yourself a lot more clearly. And so when

810
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you do, I think if you're conscious, then you can

811
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 1: take action. Until we have consciousness around something, we don't

812
00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:03,359
Speaker 1: really have a lot choice, but once something comes into

813
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: awareness and consciousness, we then have choice. What am I

814
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: going to do with this information. How I'm going to

815
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: act is this mind to do something with And so

816
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: if you need that, then a good astrology reading should

817
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: be able to give you the shape of yourself in

818
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 1: a really clear and specific way, and then you get

819
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: to choose what you want to do with that information.

820
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely. Do you believe in divine timing?

821
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I work in timing. It's like my

822
00:45:37,239 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: whole life, My whole life is timing, And yeah, I

823
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 1: really do, and I think that astrology is a part

824
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: of it. It'll tell you about your life cycles that

825
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: you're in, but you again have the agency to meet

826
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: those moments with your work and your effort and your consciousness,

827
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: and then you can and I think, speed up everything.

828
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: But that requires you to say yes to the things

829
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,799
Speaker 1: that are yours to say yes to. It requires you

830
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 1: to say yes to your talents. It requires you to

831
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: say yes to your agency and then to fully fully

832
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: own it and everything that comes along with it, and

833
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 1: then move boldly in that direction. And then I think

834
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: that time starts to kind of meet you in a way.

835
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 2: As I'm talking to you, I'm just thinking we're asking

836
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: all the wrong questions of the striges like I'm just

837
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 2: like when I think about all my friends and every

838
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 2: question they asked them, like, wow, we're asking bad questions

839
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: because there's just so much more and it's kind of

840
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 2: it just it's kind of like how you know, there's

841
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 2: that I don't know who've said this, but the whole

842
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: idea of how if aliens came down to Earth and

843
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,239
Speaker 2: so uce all just staring at our phones and it'd

844
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 2: be like, why are you wasting life? And it almost

845
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: feels like that that what we're going to astrologists for

846
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: and what we want to use it for or seems

847
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: to be so rudimentary compared to what it truly can offer.

848
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 2: When as I'm talking to you, I'm like, wow, it

849
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 2: just feels so much bigger than that, and so much

850
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,279
Speaker 2: deeper than that, so much more meaningful, and we're using

851
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: it to figure out like you know, am I going

852
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 2: to meet my person in three months? But that's because

853
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: that is our insecurity, Like that is what people are

854
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,080
Speaker 2: struggling with, is really that question is actually the question

855
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 2: may not be ideal, but it's coming from a deep

856
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,760
Speaker 2: rooted insecurity of am I lovable?

857
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: Yeah?

858
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: And that's because through time, we have felt that we're

859
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 2: not lovable based on people we've dated, family experiences, So

860
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,279
Speaker 2: to go back to that and expand my compassion, it's like, well,

861
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 2: actually the question we're asking is based on this deep

862
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 2: feeling of just not being loved, and therefore we're not

863
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 2: We're not really asking will I find love in three months?

864
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 2: We don't really care about them, but we're just like, well,

865
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:53,479
Speaker 2: I ever find love is really the question I'm asking,

866
00:47:53,520 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: And I'd like to have it to happen tomorrow, Yeah,

867
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:59,359
Speaker 2: because I would make my life better. How would you? Yeah?

868
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 2: So how would you i someone who is going through

869
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 2: that experience that I just mentioned to you when you're

870
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 2: reading their charts, and of course their chart is going

871
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: to say what it's going to say, which we you know,

872
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:15,280
Speaker 2: you can help me hypothetically, but what happens?

873
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,160
Speaker 1: What do you if someone comes and they're really they're

874
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: just like you, Look, I got broken trying to make something.

875
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like I got broken up with two years ago. Yeah,

876
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 2: I am still getting over it. I've been dating this guy.

877
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 2: I don't know if he's into me. I can't even tell,

878
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:34,480
Speaker 2: but I just really want to settle down, Like I

879
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 2: just want to fall in love and get married and

880
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: have kids and have a great life. And I'm a

881
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: good person and I've got my career sword and that

882
00:48:40,600 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 2: seems to be going well.

883
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: But every straight woman out there totally totally.

884
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 2: And I have a lot of friends who are in

885
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:51,200
Speaker 2: that position. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

886
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: I will anchor myself in what I'm feeling from them,

887
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 1: So I'll have the chart. But if what you're saying

888
00:49:01,560 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: is you're not over him or you're not over the

889
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 1: breakup yet, like what happened to you? What are you

890
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: still holding? Like that's when I just want a human

891
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 1: to human, Like there's the chart, but like, can we

892
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: just have a conversation about what you're holding right now?

893
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 1: And like that is a legitimate feeling of frustration and

894
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: despair and feeling like you're going to be left out

895
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:32,960
Speaker 1: of a life cycle, like you know, you're not in it.

896
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 1: It's missing you, it's like passing you by, And that's

897
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: a real feeling, and it is also situated in a

898
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: greater context where there's a lot of people in your

899
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: similar situation that feel the same way, So you're also

900
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,839
Speaker 1: not alone. It's your personal life, and it's also there's

901
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: a sense of like there's another thing happening, and then

902
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: I'll go to the chart and see what I can

903
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: talk about. I want to talk about the person that

904
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,320
Speaker 1: I see in the chart that will be your partner,

905
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about that and be really

906
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: specific about it. And then I want you to meditate

907
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 1: on that. I want you to sit And this is

908
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: from Catherine Woodward Thomas calling in the one one of

909
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: the best meditations that she ever gave me, and I've

910
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 1: given it to millions of people, is to sit in

911
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: meditation and just no thoughts about no specifics about like

912
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,880
Speaker 1: who the person, what they look like, or what they

913
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: do for a living, none of that. What do they

914
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,640
Speaker 1: feel like, what does their energy feel like? And what

915
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: do you feel like sitting across from them? And what

916
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: is that energetic match? And I just want you to

917
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: go out into the world and feel that who has

918
00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 1: that energetic resonance for you and who doesn't. So there's

919
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: the things you can get into, all the details in

920
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: the chart, but then there's just the like, let's just

921
00:50:55,880 --> 00:51:00,120
Speaker 1: be human and just acknowledge that what you're carrying right

922
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: now it's really hard, and that loneliness is really real.

923
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: And I don't want to diminish that at all. And

924
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: all I know that you have in terms of your

925
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:17,720
Speaker 1: agency is to yes, work on yourself and develop yourself,

926
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: but also just to like be with it. You know.

927
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: Like I was thirty eight when I met my wife,

928
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 1: I had had a bajillion relationship. I was like, I'm

929
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,319
Speaker 1: just going to be alone forever. I had totally given

930
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: up on it. And then it was like I walked

931
00:51:34,080 --> 00:51:38,240
Speaker 1: out of that life and into a totally different life.

932
00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 1: And that can feel like a setup to you to

933
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: say to people, because you know, it's like, I feel

934
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: like I got really lucky to meet her in this

935
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,959
Speaker 1: lifetime and it's a really, I feel like, a really

936
00:51:48,040 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: rare special relationship. And I also did everything I could.

937
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: I did every course, I did everything under the sun,

938
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:00,640
Speaker 1: and then I did just kind of like let it go.

939
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 1: And when I met my teacher and when I started

940
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: to feel like I was meeting my life's calling and

941
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: my purpose, I did everything I could to anchor myself

942
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: to that. And I do feel like there was some

943
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: kind of synergy there. So everyone has some kind of

944
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,400
Speaker 1: story like that, and each of ours are so specific.

945
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: And I always say to people, what if you don't

946
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: meet them for another fifteen years, Like I don't know,

947
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,919
Speaker 1: maybe you'll meet them tomorrow, but what if you don't,

948
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: how are we going to make sure you live a

949
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: full and beautiful, loving life? And like you've got tons

950
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: of relationship and tons of intimacy and joy and bliss

951
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: and fun, Like what do you actually need to do

952
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,360
Speaker 1: to feel like you aren't holding yourself back from life

953
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: because somebody else hasn't shown up yet? We have no

954
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 1: control over I feel like the moment my wife was

955
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: ready to meet me, she appeared like out of thin air,

956
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: and like a day before it just wasn't ready. And

957
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm older than her, and so it was like I

958
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:06,319
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, like I am that's it,

959
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 1: Like I've lost I'm too old now, or you know

960
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: all the things that come with being out of sync

961
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,360
Speaker 1: in those kinds of ways. So we each have our

962
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,479
Speaker 1: own journey. We don't know why it is, and yes,

963
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 1: the chart will speak to it, but I first and

964
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: foremost want to hold you as a human and acknowledge

965
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: what you're struggling with. And then that's a real struggle

966
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: and those are real fears.

967
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:37,600
Speaker 2: Can people miss the love of their life success that

968
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 2: moment because they weren't prepared at the right time.

969
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 1: Gosh, that's I I think that for me, I have

970
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 1: certainly done things to delay my own success and my

971
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: own arrival. I have burn bridges. I have done things

972
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: in the past that I look back on and I'm like,

973
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: oh my god. But I was so full of insecurity.

974
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:14,520
Speaker 1: I felt so unlovable, I felt so all the things

975
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: that I didn't know how else to act. I was

976
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,160
Speaker 1: coming with my best and it wasn't meeting the situation.

977
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 1: So in one way, it's like, well, I wasn't ready

978
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: for it, and I had to learn and grow and

979
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: you know, really like kind of wrestle with life and learn,

980
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: and so I wasn't quite ready for it. But I

981
00:54:35,080 --> 00:54:37,200
Speaker 1: don't know if you can miss it. I don't know.

982
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: I think I feel like that's kind of fatalistic. I

983
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: just feel like when you that you you won't catch

984
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: the other relationships maybe or the other job opportunities, Like

985
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:52,560
Speaker 1: you will lose some stuff if you don't know how

986
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,680
Speaker 1: to show up for it. But it doesn't mean that

987
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:57,280
Speaker 1: it won't come back and different.

988
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean it would never exist. Yeah, it means

989
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 2: be delayed.

990
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you got to wait for the next

991
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: best to come. Yeah, and then you got to like

992
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,279
Speaker 1: figure out what you're doing with yourself. Are you going

993
00:55:07,320 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: to read a book? Are you know to waste your

994
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:10,239
Speaker 1: time on TikTok? I don't know, Like what are you

995
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 1: going to do in the in between?

996
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's astrology believe in the idea of the one

997
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 2: that there's one perfect person for you, or that there

998
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,920
Speaker 2: are many people who it could work with.

999
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,320
Speaker 1: I don't think it doesn't have that kind of judgment.

1000
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: It looks at the chart, like you can see when

1001
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 1: someone will have multiple significant partnerships. You can see when

1002
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 1: people have multiple children. You can see like there's a

1003
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: there are ways of seeing those things. And then there's

1004
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:43,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's really important for us to understand like

1005
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 1: how how we work, right, So, like if I understand

1006
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: how I work, then every relationship I'm showing up to

1007
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 1: is going to have a greater potential for me to

1008
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:58,680
Speaker 1: learn from. And so the one I don't know, like

1009
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,880
Speaker 1: every everyone that I'm in a relationship with is so

1010
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,720
Speaker 1: important to my life and my understanding. Like every single friend,

1011
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,720
Speaker 1: everyone in my company, everyone teaches me so much because

1012
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 1: I'm always learning about how I'm dealing with another human

1013
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:19,000
Speaker 1: being given the conditions I'm dealing with the men. So

1014
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,879
Speaker 1: I think everyone is the one that we're if we're

1015
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,040
Speaker 1: in a relationship and we're in contact, like that's it.

1016
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,200
Speaker 1: And then there are these people like no one else

1017
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:32,799
Speaker 1: in my life made me feel seen the way my

1018
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:36,720
Speaker 1: wife did. Ever, no one got me. I don't trust

1019
00:56:36,760 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 1: anyone like I trust her. Like her talent, her her instincts,

1020
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:47,760
Speaker 1: her intuition, her knowledge, her wisdom is for me just unparalleled.

1021
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: So the synergy between us when we met was just undeniable.

1022
00:56:52,920 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 1: There was too many things that happened that were like

1023
00:56:55,239 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: that was how did you know that I was going

1024
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: to say that? Or how you pulled that book out?

1025
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: I was going to give it to you. You know.

1026
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: There was just so many things that occurred that I

1027
00:57:05,760 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: was like, this is bigger than the two of us.

1028
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 1: This is something else. This is a third thing, and

1029
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:16,160
Speaker 1: that is so unique and so special that you might

1030
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: call that the one. And that's fine if that's the language.

1031
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:24,840
Speaker 1: I just think it's really important to recognize when those

1032
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: things occur. There's some people that come into your life

1033
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: and they just change the entire trajectory of it. I've

1034
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: had teachers like that and I've had, you know, this

1035
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,600
Speaker 1: relationship that has been like that, and everybody else was

1036
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: really helpful. You know what I did, it was you

1037
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: know I did it was fine. But this is a

1038
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: distinct category in and of itself. I think when and

1039
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: that's my calling, like that's my life story. I know

1040
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: people that don't have that story. They have a different story.

1041
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: And so some people's one is there or their art

1042
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,680
Speaker 1: they're calling like that's their one, and that's beautiful, And

1043
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,280
Speaker 1: I just I want us to live in like a

1044
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 1: village full of really distinct different humans that do life

1045
00:58:12,520 --> 00:58:14,919
Speaker 1: in all kinds of different ways, so that we can

1046
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: share childcaren.

1047
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:19,920
Speaker 2: I love that.

1048
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,000
Speaker 1: Not everyone should have children, not everyone should get married,

1049
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 1: you know, like someone us should live on the outskirts,

1050
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,280
Speaker 1: some of us should live in the center. Like some

1051
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 1: of us are cooking for everybody. Some of us are

1052
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: teaching someone.

1053
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 2: Your astrology tell you that's better for you? Like does

1054
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 2: astrology predetermined whether you're gonna have kids or not?

1055
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:40,320
Speaker 1: Like I've had a atic nostrology tell me that I

1056
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna have kids, and I do.

1057
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 2: How do you how so, how do you reconcile that

1058
00:58:43,840 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 2: someone who practices who believes.

1059
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:50,120
Speaker 1: In I understand why he said that, and yet it's

1060
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: not true. So it's like it's a certain condition in

1061
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: my chart and it's like not great for having kids,

1062
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: and you could I mean, I'm queer, so the way

1063
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 1: we had a kid is different than how heterosexuals have kids.

1064
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: So if he was trying to look at my chart

1065
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 1: through a heterosexual lens, then yes, he's right.

1066
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 2: But interesting, you know.

1067
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 1: So it's really about the astrologer and where they're coming from.

1068
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 1: I've had an astrologer look at my chart and be like,

1069
00:59:18,080 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: I don't know how you're ever going to find love, Like,

1070
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: basically you're doomed.

1071
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 2: So how do you reconcile that?

1072
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 1: I was like, that's a really awful thing to say

1073
00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: to somebody. That's not helpful. Even if you think that's

1074
00:59:31,320 --> 00:59:33,520
Speaker 1: true and you think you're right, I don't know how

1075
00:59:33,520 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 1: that's ever going to help me. So, as an astrologer

1076
00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: or a coach or a therapist, even if my person

1077
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 1: in front of me takes it all with a grain

1078
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: of salt, I have a tremendous responsibility to be very

1079
00:59:46,920 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 1: encouraging of somebody's best to come forth. I don't need

1080
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: to make them feel doomed. Everybody already does feel doomed,

1081
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,040
Speaker 1: like we already go there. So what can I do

1082
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:03,880
Speaker 1: to help fortify that person, to help them find their power,

1083
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,280
Speaker 1: their creativity, their special thing in this life and to

1084
01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 1: move from that place. I need to make you feel

1085
01:00:13,480 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: like you've got a lack of anything. And I also

1086
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: don't need to predict everything correctly that you're ever going

1087
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: to do and say and be. I want that to

1088
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: be part of the mystery of who you are. I

1089
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: just think that you have, like I don't know, when

1090
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: I see somebody's chart, I'm so fascinated, like I'm like,

1091
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: oh my god, you have this thing and you do

1092
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: this thing, and it's the exact replica of you're living

1093
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: it out. You don't even know it, but it's the

1094
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:43,880
Speaker 1: exact signature. Like that's so beautiful to me. So my

1095
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: work is mostly incredibly awe inspiring because I don't have

1096
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 1: people coming to me with questions of like when am

1097
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 1: I going to meet the one? I really do have

1098
01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:56,880
Speaker 1: people coming to me with questions of like, Okay, I've

1099
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 1: done this huge career and now I'm met this their

1100
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 1: place and I'm wondering what else there is or you know, yeah,

1101
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: or I'm in this really dark, hard place and I

1102
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 1: feel like the world's turned against me, and I'm like,

1103
01:01:12,520 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 1: I'm in that kind of crucible place. And then I

1104
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 1: get to be like, yes, I see that, and I'm

1105
01:01:17,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: with you, and like, this is part of your journey

1106
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:22,920
Speaker 1: and I know you've got what it takes to move

1107
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: through this, and I just want to witness that with you.

1108
01:01:26,120 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: Like I get to witness people's awareness and healing and

1109
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:35,400
Speaker 1: their journey and their gifts, and I get to remind

1110
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: them of how powerful they are. You know, people like

1111
01:01:38,840 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you have this too, but like people with

1112
01:01:41,080 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: extraordinary like talent and success doubt themselves so much. I'm

1113
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 1: like you too. You struggle with this insecurity, You struggle

1114
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:55,360
Speaker 1: with this self doubt. Wow, it's just the human condition. Yeah,

1115
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, it's incredible that we're so alike in that place.

1116
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: But there's so much to what you've said about the

1117
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: adeptness of the practitioner, Like the practitioners that you met

1118
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 2: that told you, hey, you could doomed, you're never going

1119
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,280
Speaker 2: to find love or whatever it may be. Like, I

1120
01:02:09,360 --> 01:02:13,720
Speaker 2: was thinking about it because I think the often skepticism

1121
01:02:13,880 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 2: is well, if everyone's telling you different things. Then it's

1122
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:19,240
Speaker 2: not an exact science and there can't be truth to

1123
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,480
Speaker 2: it then, and I was thinking about even medically, like

1124
01:02:23,520 --> 01:02:25,880
Speaker 2: I remember this is a long time ago now, but

1125
01:02:26,920 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 2: a doctor checked my throat because I felt I had

1126
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:31,280
Speaker 2: a soort throat. But it was really bad. I was

1127
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,760
Speaker 2: like losing my voice. It was painful. And he said, yeah,

1128
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,080
Speaker 2: you got a sore throat. Just take antibiotics or whatever,

1129
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 2: and I took them. Four weeks later, it was really

1130
01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 2: bad and I went to the doctor. I went to

1131
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: an E and T surgeon, Iano's throat surgeon to be

1132
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,960
Speaker 2: really clear, and he immediately said to me, he goes,

1133
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,160
Speaker 2: you've had polyps growing in your throat for at least

1134
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:54,240
Speaker 2: X amount of months I can't remember. And I was like,

1135
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,000
Speaker 2: wait a minute, I literally just got to check four

1136
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 2: weeks ago. And he goes, no, these are produnctulated polyps, big,

1137
01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:03,240
Speaker 2: like they couldn't have grown in four weeks. And so

1138
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 2: I'm like, I met a doctor who wasn't an expert,

1139
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 2: who didn't who was a doctor but didn't have the

1140
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: right tools or whatever you want to call it. And

1141
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:13,280
Speaker 2: then I met a surgeon who was very adept at

1142
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: his job and immediately saw what the problem was and

1143
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 2: I was in surgery and had to get the polyps

1144
01:03:17,840 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 2: lasered from my throat. But all of that to say,

1145
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 2: I think sometimes people look at astrology and it's got oh, well,

1146
01:03:22,760 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 2: if three people said three different things, then obviously there's

1147
01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:28,840
Speaker 2: no truth the actual thing. But that's not correct because,

1148
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:34,919
Speaker 2: like you're saying, there's so much left to interpretation, cultural understanding,

1149
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 2: you know, disposition of what does that make sense?

1150
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1151
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 2: And that what I'm saying in.

1152
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 1: No, I understand what you're saying. I think if astrology works,

1153
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 1: the three astrologers should come up with the same yeah thing,

1154
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 1: the same reading. And that's part of why we made

1155
01:03:51,200 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: an app, because my theory is if it works, you

1156
01:03:55,320 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: should be able to pull up your chart in my

1157
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: app and get some kind of guidance from it and

1158
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: feel seen, feel witnessed, and feel like, oh, I make

1159
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: sense to myself, just because the technology of the astrology

1160
01:04:11,800 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 1: is sound when it's used well. And I think that

1161
01:04:16,760 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: you know, we're humans, and so you have to take

1162
01:04:19,320 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: that into account that when you're going to another human

1163
01:04:21,880 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: for advice or for their expertise, you're going to have

1164
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: your own relationship with them, you're going to walk into

1165
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: the room and they're going to have a reaction to you,

1166
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 1: and it's up to them whether they deal with that

1167
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: in a productive way or not.

1168
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so many people talk about satin return.

1169
01:04:38,480 --> 01:04:41,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is it? Actually, it's when Saturn comes back

1170
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: to the same place it was when you were born.

1171
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 1: And because Saturn is the planet that, to the naked

1172
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 1: eye is the last planet in our little solar system,

1173
01:04:53,160 --> 01:04:57,040
Speaker 1: it was thought is such a big moment because every

1174
01:04:57,080 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: twenty eight years you go through this closing of a loop.

1175
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,959
Speaker 1: Between the age of twenty seven ish twenty eight, twenty

1176
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: seven to thirty, you go through this kind of closing

1177
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,320
Speaker 1: of a door and a threshold experience into a new

1178
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: stage of life. Saturn is the planet of responsibility and

1179
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:20,960
Speaker 1: of adulthood, and it's also the planet that's of mortality.

1180
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: It's like, hey, I'm the time lord, Like, you don't

1181
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: have all the time in the world. So at thirty

1182
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: you should be going through some kind of crisis, some

1183
01:05:29,520 --> 01:05:31,800
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh, I guess I'm going to get

1184
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:37,360
Speaker 1: old too, And you should also be doing things that

1185
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:43,080
Speaker 1: require everything from you. Saturn is a planet of discipline

1186
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: and hard work, and so this is the time to

1187
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,000
Speaker 1: put your money where your mouth is, to like be

1188
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:54,520
Speaker 1: in the game fully and to again own your choice

1189
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,600
Speaker 1: and to say I chose to do this. And it's

1190
01:05:57,640 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: also a planet of separation. So in some way, shape

1191
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,680
Speaker 1: or form, we usually separate from our family of origin.

1192
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:08,520
Speaker 1: Maybe that's psychologically, maybe it's physically. Maybe we get married,

1193
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: maybe you know, some kind of big life transition happens

1194
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 1: at that time that distinguishes us from our family of origin.

1195
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: Not that we're not still part of it, and we

1196
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: can still be living at home even well and you know,

1197
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,880
Speaker 1: for the rest of our lives. But there's something here

1198
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 1: that's like, I have to build a really solid foundation

1199
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:31,800
Speaker 1: in the world that is mine, that is apart from

1200
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: the thing that I come from, or apart from the

1201
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,640
Speaker 1: convenience or the comfort of the people that you know.

1202
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 1: Hopefully you have people that love you and you can

1203
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: really and fall back on them, but you need to

1204
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,040
Speaker 1: understand that you can go out there and do something

1205
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:48,240
Speaker 1: for yourself, or that you can separate in the ways

1206
01:06:48,240 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 1: that you need to separate psychologically, emotionally, sometimes physically sometimes months.

1207
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,280
Speaker 2: That's not a negative thing at all, that's really good.

1208
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 2: Then why do we talk about it in such a has.

1209
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,640
Speaker 1: The Internet because people are like, oh, my side in

1210
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: return was awful, and then they blame everything on the

1211
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,560
Speaker 1: side and return. But a said in return should be

1212
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:13,560
Speaker 1: a time of a kind of like again, discipline, awareness, strictness,

1213
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: almost like severity sometimes but also like so much joy,

1214
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: like in my side and return. I moved to la

1215
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 1: and I was I didn't know anybody here, I didn't

1216
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,000
Speaker 1: have any money, I didn't have any contacts, I didn't

1217
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:32,520
Speaker 1: have anything. And I was like elated. I really did

1218
01:07:32,560 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: walk out of my life. I was living in Toronto

1219
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 1: and I left and I started this whole new chapter

1220
01:07:40,120 --> 01:07:43,320
Speaker 1: here and it was on my own terms. And I

1221
01:07:43,400 --> 01:07:47,400
Speaker 1: had to really prove myself to myself that I could

1222
01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:50,880
Speaker 1: do this. And there were days where I didn't have

1223
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: anybody to call, and there were financial struggles and I

1224
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 1: didn't have a car, and like it was a whole thing,

1225
01:07:57,600 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 1: but I did it and that no one could ever

1226
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: take that away from me. And as much as I

1227
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: believe in community, and I believe that we shouldn't live

1228
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: in an individualistic kind of culture, we have to do

1229
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:14,240
Speaker 1: those things that help us understand what we're made of,

1230
01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,400
Speaker 1: that help us understand, like put me anywhere and I'll

1231
01:08:18,439 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: figure it out. That's how I function at least, And

1232
01:08:21,200 --> 01:08:23,400
Speaker 1: so that happens that there's a version of that that

1233
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: happens at seven, at fourteen, at twenty one, and then

1234
01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,720
Speaker 1: at like twenty eight ish. That's the big one.

1235
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,640
Speaker 2: I can relate to every single thing you just said. Yeah,

1236
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,720
Speaker 2: every single thing you said. It's so vivid for me.

1237
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 2: It's like fourteen. I mean, this is small, but I

1238
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,080
Speaker 2: remember at fourteen that's like the age in England that

1239
01:08:41,080 --> 01:08:43,680
Speaker 2: you decide what you're going to study for, Like, oh,

1240
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 2: you do it quite early. So I remember like find

1241
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 2: with my parents about what I wanted to focus on,

1242
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,479
Speaker 2: and I won and did what I wanted to do.

1243
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,519
Speaker 2: And that's when I first felt confidence in who I was,

1244
01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:58,680
Speaker 2: in my ability. And then twenty one, going on twenty two,

1245
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:00,679
Speaker 2: I decided to go live as a monk. Oh my god,

1246
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: that was a big decision. And then twenty eight I

1247
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:04,439
Speaker 2: moved to New York and I was in New York

1248
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 2: for two years going through exactly what you said when

1249
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 2: you moved to LA. Yeah, and it's amazing how that tracks.

1250
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:12,599
Speaker 2: And yeah, thirty eight, so I've been through thirty five

1251
01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:17,320
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, which yeah, you plan amazing.

1252
01:09:17,280 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: But you planned a seed at the sad and return

1253
01:09:19,920 --> 01:09:24,040
Speaker 1: cycle of your own selfhood, of your own adulthood. Like,

1254
01:09:24,160 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to stake a claim here. Maybe this is hard,

1255
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: maybe it sucks, maybe I'm lonely, but I'm doing this

1256
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: and this is my choice. And then by the time

1257
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 1: you get to thirty six, you're at that next first

1258
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,800
Speaker 1: quarter square and you get to see what worked, Like

1259
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 1: what from that seed that you planted at around thirty

1260
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 1: is growing and then you're like, Okay, I'm either going

1261
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,840
Speaker 1: to double down on that now or it's not a

1262
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,760
Speaker 1: viable option. And so it's this really i think, really

1263
01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 1: helpful kind of growth cycle, which.

1264
01:09:55,160 --> 01:09:57,959
Speaker 2: Is so important because we almost look at all the

1265
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: wrong ages. Yeah, like if you look at the material

1266
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:03,240
Speaker 2: take on it, it's like we look obviously, we look

1267
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 2: at like sixteen or eighteen, becoming an eighteen becoming an

1268
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: adult like sweet sixteen birthday, eighteen, become an adult. Twenty one, Sure,

1269
01:10:11,360 --> 01:10:13,560
Speaker 2: you graduate, so that feels on track, but then it

1270
01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 2: almost was like after twenty one, no one cares. And

1271
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 2: then it's like I'm thirty and I'm forty, and then

1272
01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 2: you're just scared about you know, the next decade. Yeah,

1273
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:26,160
Speaker 2: so it's it's less about growth, it's less about I

1274
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:28,120
Speaker 2: loved what you were saying about. How like from twenty

1275
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 2: eight to thirty that whole idea was, I'm locking in.

1276
01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 2: I choose what I focus on, the discipline, the grit.

1277
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I can relate to every single one of

1278
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: those things.

1279
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,280
Speaker 1: I have to put I have to invest in myself.

1280
01:10:39,520 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: So we're talking about those people earlier that maybe have

1281
01:10:42,479 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 1: a really easy situation if they don't do that sad

1282
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:49,479
Speaker 1: in return thing and they just kind of fall back

1283
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:53,599
Speaker 1: on what's easy. Then at thirty six it gets harder,

1284
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Speaker 1: and then again at like the early forties it does too,

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01:10:57,120 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's saturn is also this like market can

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Speaker 1: feel depressive until again you kind of start to work

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01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: towards well, what is the discipline that I need in

1288
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: order to do this? But some of us really like

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01:11:11,479 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: thrive on discipline, and some of us really have a

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Speaker 1: hard time with it. You know, there are signatures in

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Speaker 1: the chart. I have some friends like this that they're

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01:11:20,080 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 1: just so good at having fun, and so it's hard

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01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:27,000
Speaker 1: to like gather them and to like help them to

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01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: focus because part of the signature of their life is

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01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,760
Speaker 1: to like enjoy things, and then you have to kind

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01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,839
Speaker 1: of like work against that somewhat.

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Speaker 2: So if someone's about to enter their SAT in return, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what would you recommend they do?

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Speaker 1: Do the things that are hard, that are going to

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01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: that are going to require everything from you, that are

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01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 1: going to be worthwhile in the long run, Like what

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01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:09,800
Speaker 1: is going to be satisfying to you seven years from now?

1303
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:14,559
Speaker 1: Do not think about instant gratification. Do not this is

1304
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,960
Speaker 1: not a social media game, Like this is about if

1305
01:12:18,960 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: you only had seven years left, what would you do,

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01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:25,559
Speaker 1: Like what do you want to make sure you've left here?

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01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: And what would move you deeper into your integrity so

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01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: that you were proud of even having attempted it. And

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01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 1: if it's not that serious, then it's not really either

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01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: part of your side and returner. It's not going to

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01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:47,160
Speaker 1: last for that long. And so if it's a lot

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01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,720
Speaker 1: of times people will get to that age and you'll

1313
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:53,360
Speaker 1: start to see their life crack because they've spent their

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01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 1: twenties in an industry that maybe wasn't the industry of

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01:12:57,160 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: their dreams or that took everything from them, and they

1316
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,439
Speaker 1: realize it's not really they're calling and so they've been

1317
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:06,000
Speaker 1: locked in this maybe like corporate thing, or they've been

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01:13:06,040 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: locked in this other, you know, relationship, and you start

1319
01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:12,519
Speaker 1: to feel the cracks show at around twenty eight, twenty

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01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 1: nine thirty. And so this is your chance. This is

1321
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: like a portal of time. I mean, any day is

1322
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:20,759
Speaker 1: your chance. But this is a time where the pressure

1323
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: and the gravity of what doesn't feel good in your

1324
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:29,519
Speaker 1: life will become really acute. So if you're fearing your

1325
01:13:29,560 --> 01:13:34,759
Speaker 1: sadder return, you're actually fearing the truth of your situation,

1326
01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:39,679
Speaker 1: and you're fearing confronting what you actually need to do

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01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: and the work it will take to do it. And

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 1: that's fine. You can fear it, but you can also

1329
01:13:46,360 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: just like embrace it and move into it and be

1330
01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:55,160
Speaker 1: okay with I think you also have to be okay

1331
01:13:55,200 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: with being alone, going it alone. You have to be

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01:13:58,120 --> 01:14:02,400
Speaker 1: okay with doing something that wasn't expected. You have to

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01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 1: be okay with disappointing people. It's a time where you're

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01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:09,839
Speaker 1: supposed to learn about boundaries. And so if you can't

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01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 1: have a boundary with yourself, which is to say I

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01:14:14,840 --> 01:14:20,360
Speaker 1: will not abandon myself, then it's going to be really rough.

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:21,400
Speaker 2: But if you.

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Speaker 1: Promise that you will not abandon yourself, You will not

1339
01:14:24,400 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: abandon your gifts and your talents and your inner knowing.

1340
01:14:28,600 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 1: Then the Sad and Return will really set you on

1341
01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: a course that feels like liberation because it's stripping you

1342
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:41,280
Speaker 1: down and being like, it's this or it's going to

1343
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 1: be like what pain do you want to choose? You

1344
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 1: want to choose the pain of choosing the thing you

1345
01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: know you need to choose, or do you want to

1346
01:14:48,560 --> 01:14:51,720
Speaker 1: choose the pain of denying that? And that's kind of

1347
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,559
Speaker 1: the crossroads that the Sade and Return finds us at.

1348
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:59,080
Speaker 2: You have totally redefined my perspective of Oh good, it's

1349
01:14:59,080 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 2: so much more powerful. Well, yeah it is. It's so powerful,

1350
01:15:02,800 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 2: it's so empowering, it's so clear. So it's better than

1351
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 2: it's so clarifying to know what you need to focus

1352
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,320
Speaker 2: on and what this period of life is about, and

1353
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: also just like the willingness to get on with it

1354
01:15:17,000 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: and build and you know, create and yeah. The other

1355
01:15:20,479 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 2: word that's thrown around is mercury retrograde.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:28,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I was like, so what is mercury retrograde?

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01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah?

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01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:30,600
Speaker 2: And how does it actually affect you?

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01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very common, it happens three to four times

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01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,679
Speaker 1: a year for three weeks a year, three weeks each time,

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01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:39,439
Speaker 1: so that's like at least nine weeks a year out

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01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,280
Speaker 1: of fifty two it's going to be retrograde. So because

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01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: it's so common, it is so prevalent, and it is

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01:15:46,320 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 1: so misunderstood. So please Clary, I wish no one ever

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01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:55,800
Speaker 1: mentioned Mercury retrograde because I think it's the main reason

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01:15:55,840 --> 01:15:58,439
Speaker 1: why people hate astrology, because someone at the office will

1368
01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,519
Speaker 1: be like, I told you, everything is going to go

1369
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,720
Speaker 1: wrong because Mercury's retrograde. It is a planet of communication

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01:16:05,320 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 1: and is the planet that can rule every and we,

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01:16:08,640 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 1: you know, rely on gadgets and technology, and that's all

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01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:18,320
Speaker 1: the ways in which we communicate. So there's some very famous,

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01:16:18,520 --> 01:16:20,839
Speaker 1: you know, things that have happened during a Mercury retrigrade

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01:16:20,880 --> 01:16:23,800
Speaker 1: with tech companies that are kind of comical. I'm sure

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01:16:23,800 --> 01:16:26,280
Speaker 1: they're really difficult for the people that are working in them.

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01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:29,640
Speaker 1: But for like sites to go down and for communication

1377
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 1: to be bumpy is what is supposed to happen during

1378
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: Mercury retrigrade. But it becomes this catch all for everything.

1379
01:16:37,439 --> 01:16:40,680
Speaker 1: It becomes a catch all for everybody's every emotion, it

1380
01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 1: becomes a catch all for every single thing going wrong

1381
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:46,760
Speaker 1: ever in the universe, and so then it loses its definition,

1382
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,000
Speaker 1: and it loses its specificity, and it loses its meaning.

1383
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,639
Speaker 1: So it's something really common that happens. And what it's

1384
01:16:53,720 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 1: trying to teach us is stop, pause and turn and

1385
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,120
Speaker 1: around and look at what just happened. Review where you

1386
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:08,840
Speaker 1: just came from. Review the document? Do you need to

1387
01:17:08,840 --> 01:17:12,560
Speaker 1: send that text? Like, it's a good time to practice,

1388
01:17:13,680 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: even whether or not you believe in astrology, it's just

1389
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: like a good time to practice mindfulness and thoughtfulness and reflection.

1390
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:23,720
Speaker 1: And that's really what it's about, or it's supposed to

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01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: be about. It's just like a good time to be reflective.

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01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 1: And I find that I also have a tech company,

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01:17:30,240 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: so I think that sometimes we feel it a little

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01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: bit more acutely than other people. If something's going to break.

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,800
Speaker 1: It generally does break during my career, and I hate

1396
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: it because I'm always telling people it's not you know, like,

1397
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,360
Speaker 1: don't make such a big deal about it, and then

1398
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh my god, here it is again. But

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01:17:46,160 --> 01:17:48,320
Speaker 1: what I also find having a team, and this is

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01:17:48,360 --> 01:17:50,080
Speaker 1: for you know, we all have a team, whether it's

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01:17:50,120 --> 01:17:53,719
Speaker 1: a family or housemates or business or whatever. Is that

1402
01:17:54,040 --> 01:17:58,040
Speaker 1: the team, whatever the team's working on, like the system

1403
01:17:58,400 --> 01:18:01,160
Speaker 1: that we've put in place to work on a project together.

1404
01:18:01,960 --> 01:18:04,880
Speaker 1: If there's cracks in that system, it'll reveal itself and

1405
01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 1: I'll be like, oh, well, we didn't put this thing

1406
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,439
Speaker 1: in place, so then the thing went out completely wrong,

1407
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: and why didn't we have that system in place? And

1408
01:18:11,920 --> 01:18:13,519
Speaker 1: everyone's like, I thought you were doing it. I thought.

1409
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: And so you tend to find the ways in which

1410
01:18:17,280 --> 01:18:20,559
Speaker 1: we haven't systematized something in our life.

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01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 2: That's so interesting. I love that. Yeah, And that's the

1412
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:28,600
Speaker 2: way it's more sustainable, sustainable solution, yes, because if you

1413
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:30,599
Speaker 2: figure out the system, then the next time my key

1414
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:33,559
Speaker 2: is in retrograde, the same thing can't break right.

1415
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,240
Speaker 1: And it's just like for life. You're like, oh, well

1416
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 1: this was always going to break. Yeah, so it just

1417
01:18:37,800 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: broke now because it's time for it to break. But

1418
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,799
Speaker 1: this was never going to work long term, so I can't.

1419
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get mad at the planet. I'm

1420
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:48,320
Speaker 1: going to be like, Okay, where else at my life

1421
01:18:48,360 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: am I not paying attention to this thing? Where else

1422
01:18:51,240 --> 01:18:53,400
Speaker 1: in my life am I not seeing that? Like this

1423
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: system doesn't work or there's there's a malfunction here and

1424
01:18:58,920 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: I need to adjust way in which I'm approaching it.

1425
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 1: And also it's just a really good time to think,

1426
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 1: like how am I communicating to the people in my

1427
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:13,280
Speaker 1: life that I work with? Like are they receiving? Are

1428
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 1: they hearing me? Am I saying things that are getting

1429
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: the message across? Like what do you need me to

1430
01:19:21,120 --> 01:19:24,519
Speaker 1: say more of? Or what do I say to you

1431
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:27,600
Speaker 1: that like shuts you down? What do I say to

1432
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:32,639
Speaker 1: you that makes you feel small? Or do I say

1433
01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: things to you that make you feel a certain way

1434
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: that I don't want to do that, but I might

1435
01:19:39,560 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: be doing it unconsciously. So it's a good time to

1436
01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,840
Speaker 1: also think about the ways in which we speak to

1437
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 1: each other. And I think because our culture is so

1438
01:19:48,439 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 1: like go, go, go and forward forward, these are just

1439
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:57,400
Speaker 1: invitations to be more reflective and consider it of what

1440
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:58,760
Speaker 1: we're saying and how we're saying it.

1441
01:19:59,280 --> 01:20:02,720
Speaker 2: Do you think some we use shots and signs as

1442
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 2: an excuse for our bad behavior?

1443
01:20:04,880 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 1: Always, he sadly, always, I wish, I wish, I wish

1444
01:20:10,400 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: we didn't do it, because I I it's not what

1445
01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:18,599
Speaker 1: it's about. It's never it's never the reason why someone's

1446
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:23,479
Speaker 1: acting badly interesting. It's not because they're sign It's because

1447
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 1: a need isn't being met, or you know, there's some

1448
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:30,360
Speaker 1: they're dysregulated, or you know, there's something else happened before

1449
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:33,080
Speaker 1: they walked in here. They might do it in a

1450
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:37,320
Speaker 1: certain style that might be in accordance with what you

1451
01:20:37,360 --> 01:20:40,719
Speaker 1: think their sign means, but it's not that as humans

1452
01:20:40,760 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 1: were always looking for patterns, and of course as an astrologer,

1453
01:20:43,320 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 1: I love to look at patterns because I look at

1454
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:47,519
Speaker 1: cycles and I try to see, like, oh, what happened

1455
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: three hundred years ago when Pluto was an Aquarius. Oh,

1456
01:20:50,240 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: we had an industrial revolution. Oh Pluto just went back

1457
01:20:53,200 --> 01:20:55,599
Speaker 1: into Aquarius in March or twenty twenty three. Oh that's

1458
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: when chat Chibt exploded onto the scene. Like that isn't

1459
01:20:58,600 --> 01:21:03,320
Speaker 1: another industrial And there's a million signatures that you can

1460
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:05,680
Speaker 1: look at like that. So it's interesting to see like

1461
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 1: these big cycles. But because humans always want to find

1462
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,479
Speaker 1: pattern recognition, what we tend to focus on is like

1463
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: that Gemini broke my heart, and so I'm going to

1464
01:21:16,240 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: see that characteristic in every other Gemini that I ever meet,

1465
01:21:20,439 --> 01:21:22,839
Speaker 1: you know, And that's I just don't think it's helpful.

1466
01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 2: We often hear about how Satin signs are compatible and

1467
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 2: Satain signs are not based on what you just said.

1468
01:21:29,600 --> 01:21:34,760
Speaker 1: Awful advice, no good. Every sign is compatible, no way.

1469
01:21:35,280 --> 01:21:39,679
Speaker 1: There are specific ways in which the signs will really

1470
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:43,559
Speaker 1: like say, so when people talk about that, they're often

1471
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:47,400
Speaker 1: talking about their sons sign. So that's again one tiny

1472
01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:51,040
Speaker 1: part of someone's whole entire chart. I really want to

1473
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,640
Speaker 1: look at the moment that you were born. You have

1474
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 1: this full picture of the sky, and the moment they

1475
01:21:56,640 --> 01:21:58,720
Speaker 1: were born, there's a full picture of the sky. How

1476
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:02,799
Speaker 1: do those two pictures lineup? Because there's all those different points.

1477
01:22:02,840 --> 01:22:06,160
Speaker 1: I need to know if you're what style is your venus?

1478
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:11,040
Speaker 1: What style is their venus. There's no bad combination of

1479
01:22:11,160 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 1: venus signs. There's just styles like your style of being

1480
01:22:16,360 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: your sun sign and my style of being My son

1481
01:22:18,560 --> 01:22:22,920
Speaker 1: sign will have a relationship in a certain way, but

1482
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: that's also obviously based on us. But it's it's not

1483
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,920
Speaker 1: about there being good and bad matches. There's about being

1484
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 1: there's certain resonances with certain signs, but you shouldn't be

1485
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:40,400
Speaker 1: with somebody just because there's ease, Like that's silly. And

1486
01:22:40,439 --> 01:22:44,840
Speaker 1: it really is about the whole entirety of somebody and

1487
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:47,799
Speaker 1: their chart and the whole entirety of you and your chart,

1488
01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:51,280
Speaker 1: and how those full two things go together. But I

1489
01:22:51,320 --> 01:22:54,360
Speaker 1: don't think you should look at somebody's chart until you know.

1490
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:57,960
Speaker 2: Them, because we'll make assumptions.

1491
01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1492
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's such a nagativity bias that we

1493
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 2: have obviously naturally as humans. Yeah, as soon as you

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01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 2: hear like you said, oh my last X was a germinal, Yeah,

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01:23:06,360 --> 01:23:09,679
Speaker 2: this one is too, or oh the chart said this.

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01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. I

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01:23:13,400 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 1: just don't think it's helpful when you're trying to meet

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01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:17,760
Speaker 1: somebody and get to know.

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01:23:17,760 --> 01:23:20,800
Speaker 2: That when you're dating, you'd suggest we actually just date

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01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: the person.

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01:23:21,960 --> 01:23:22,920
Speaker 1: Yes, I would love that.

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01:23:23,160 --> 01:23:26,280
Speaker 2: If we happen to like them and things are getting

1503
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 2: more serious and we believe in astrology and value it,

1504
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: then that should come later.

1505
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. Then you can see like, okay, where do we

1506
01:23:33,120 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 1: come together, like what are the things that we would

1507
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: be good at doing together? Or you would just probably

1508
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,960
Speaker 1: notice like oh yeah, that is what we naturally do together.

1509
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 1: How cool that that is reaffirmed in our charts. But

1510
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:49,240
Speaker 1: I think you should always come to a first date

1511
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,479
Speaker 1: or a situation where you might be meeting someone and

1512
01:23:52,760 --> 01:23:55,559
Speaker 1: really again try to feel what it feels like to

1513
01:23:55,600 --> 01:24:00,160
Speaker 1: be with them. What is the energy between you? Do

1514
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,960
Speaker 1: you feel safe? What is your body saying? Like? What

1515
01:24:03,240 --> 01:24:06,280
Speaker 1: are they telling you? What are the little things they're

1516
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:09,720
Speaker 1: telling you that you would normally not listen to? Are

1517
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:12,519
Speaker 1: their red flags? Like, there's a million things to look

1518
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:15,080
Speaker 1: at and pay attention to before you get to an

1519
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 1: astrology chart.

1520
01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 2: Can astrology charts tell you about some of the long

1521
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:19,520
Speaker 2: term red flags?

1522
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:25,360
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah? Like what yeah, like where you'll have like

1523
01:24:25,400 --> 01:24:31,040
Speaker 1: communication issues down the road, where like your venuses, Like

1524
01:24:31,200 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: are my venus is in a certain sign? Your venus

1525
01:24:34,040 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: isn't a certain sign. So if it's really different or

1526
01:24:36,760 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 1: if they don't have a relationship with one another, then

1527
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: we're going to have to work to kind of like

1528
01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 1: connect it. You know, there's things that will eventually aggravate

1529
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 1: you about any person that you're with long term, and

1530
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,920
Speaker 1: those differences and disparities are in the charts, but they're

1531
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,720
Speaker 1: also in the relationships, so you know what they are.

1532
01:24:57,720 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: The chart will just kind of confirm them that those

1533
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:03,920
Speaker 1: are differences and this these are where you come together,

1534
01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:06,320
Speaker 1: and this is where you kind of go your separate ways,

1535
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 1: or this is where you will generally tend to like

1536
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:11,240
Speaker 1: miss each other. Like my wife and I have very

1537
01:25:11,280 --> 01:25:15,400
Speaker 1: different incompatible charts, and a lot of things just don't

1538
01:25:15,439 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 1: go together. There's obviously places where it's like full harmony,

1539
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: but then there's places where we're just like kind of

1540
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:27,000
Speaker 1: alien to each other almost. And it's not that I

1541
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: don't relate to those parts of her, she doesn't relate

1542
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:30,880
Speaker 1: to those parts of me. It's just we do it

1543
01:25:31,160 --> 01:25:36,120
Speaker 1: so differently. Yeah, and that's what makes our relationship, you know.

1544
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:39,160
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, that's what she's doing the thing, or

1545
01:25:39,240 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 1: I'm doing the thing, and that makes me have to

1546
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 1: struggle to like appreciate and understand somebody else. And there's

1547
01:25:48,400 --> 01:25:51,040
Speaker 1: always going to be that disparity in any relationship.

1548
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can agree with.

1549
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: I feel like we always want everything easy and simple

1550
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:56,840
Speaker 1: and prepackaged, and it's like.

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01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,559
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I can agree more. It's almost like that

1552
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:05,760
Speaker 2: balance between it shouldn't be excruciating or torture you obviously,

1553
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 2: and then it can't ever be fully seamless and easy.

1554
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's only when we're first born, hopefully with our

1555
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:16,439
Speaker 1: parents you know, like if that, if that, Yeah, most

1556
01:26:16,439 --> 01:26:18,559
Speaker 1: of us don't even have that, But that's what we're

1557
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: I feel like, trying to get back to that totally,

1558
01:26:22,600 --> 01:26:26,439
Speaker 1: that total union, and that's not what being a human is.

1559
01:26:26,520 --> 01:26:28,800
Speaker 1: We have to separate from each other, and we have

1560
01:26:28,880 --> 01:26:31,919
Speaker 1: to find those places of difference.

1561
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, as it's coming up to the end of the year,

1562
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: and people maybe looking back and thinking this year didn't

1563
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:42,240
Speaker 2: go the way they wanted to, Maybe they didn't make

1564
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 2: the progress in their career that they wanted. Maybe their

1565
01:26:44,840 --> 01:26:49,840
Speaker 2: relationship is just about surviving. Maybe they haven't found a

1566
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,640
Speaker 2: partner that they're looking for. How would you encourage them

1567
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:56,240
Speaker 2: to release this year so that they can truly move

1568
01:26:56,280 --> 01:27:00,000
Speaker 2: into the next year with a healthier mindset and approach.

1569
01:27:01,080 --> 01:27:05,240
Speaker 1: I think that one of the things that's important to

1570
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 1: remember about this time of year, at least in the

1571
01:27:07,240 --> 01:27:11,240
Speaker 1: Northern hemisphere, is that we're moving into more and more darkness.

1572
01:27:11,479 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: We're moving away from the great activity of summer, and

1573
01:27:15,280 --> 01:27:18,519
Speaker 1: we're moving into the quietness and the stillness, which again

1574
01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,519
Speaker 1: is hard for most of us because life is so busy,

1575
01:27:22,040 --> 01:27:25,559
Speaker 1: But I think it's really important to allow yourself to

1576
01:27:25,640 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 1: think about this frame of time, especially as we move

1577
01:27:30,360 --> 01:27:33,320
Speaker 1: closer to the winter solstice as being a time where

1578
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: we're just allowing a waning of energy to occur, and

1579
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:42,960
Speaker 1: we're allowing that waning of conscious activity to help us

1580
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: transition into a place of stillness and regeneration. And then

1581
01:27:50,360 --> 01:27:55,439
Speaker 1: if we don't allow those times of release, like if

1582
01:27:55,439 --> 01:27:57,559
Speaker 1: the year was hard, it was hard for I think

1583
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,519
Speaker 1: most people in a lot of different ways, a lot

1584
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: of different places, And so if we don't allow certain times,

1585
01:28:05,240 --> 01:28:09,280
Speaker 1: especially at the end of the year, to unwind and

1586
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:13,960
Speaker 1: to fully kind of just like let it be like

1587
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:18,720
Speaker 1: whatever this year has been for you, that happened, it

1588
01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: impacted you, what is it that you're left with now,

1589
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 1: and just allowing some days, especially you know in December,

1590
01:28:27,800 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: especially as we move towards the twenty first of December

1591
01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:37,559
Speaker 1: the solstice, to just be with what was Who were

1592
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: you at the beginning of last year? Who are you

1593
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 1: now at the end of this year, and have those

1594
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 1: moments of reflection, because you know, like the year will

1595
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:50,719
Speaker 1: change and things will open up and it'll be busy, busy, busy,

1596
01:28:50,720 --> 01:28:54,719
Speaker 1: and it'll be a lot of things. But astrologically speaking,

1597
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,360
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five was one of those like game changing

1598
01:28:58,439 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 1: years where all of these major planets changed signs, and

1599
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: so it was a signal that this year was going

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01:29:04,840 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 1: to be very different than years that we've had in

1601
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: the past, and there was going to be things that

1602
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 1: were going to happen this year that we're going to

1603
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,679
Speaker 1: impact us for decades to come. So if you feel

1604
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,040
Speaker 1: like you haven't been able to do all the personal

1605
01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: things that you wanted to do, yes, like we're in

1606
01:29:22,240 --> 01:29:26,919
Speaker 1: the midst of a massive transition and a lot of change,

1607
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:31,719
Speaker 1: and so you're also caught up in a greater cycle

1608
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:35,320
Speaker 1: of things right We're in a collective thing right now,

1609
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:39,439
Speaker 1: and so the world is working and looking differently, and

1610
01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:45,760
Speaker 1: so allowing yourself time to just reflect and not even

1611
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,320
Speaker 1: so much with your mind, but just like allowing your

1612
01:29:48,360 --> 01:29:54,880
Speaker 1: body to decompress in any way, shape or form, to

1613
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:58,240
Speaker 1: just deal with the impact of what this year has brought,

1614
01:29:58,840 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: I think is a huge gift to yourself and allowing

1615
01:30:03,479 --> 01:30:06,719
Speaker 1: yourself some time again if you don't have kids, allowing

1616
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 1: yourself some time to write, to reflect, and to reset,

1617
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: like you can reset, we can take a pause, we

1618
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:20,599
Speaker 1: can you know, turn the off switch off, like let

1619
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: it drop down and give yourself a minute to be

1620
01:30:27,200 --> 01:30:32,400
Speaker 1: a human. Yeah, and just like let the reckoning kind

1621
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: of happen, but allow yourself to be humane and just

1622
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,400
Speaker 1: be as much as you can. It's the gift of darkness,

1623
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:43,320
Speaker 1: It's the gift of winter, It's the gift of this

1624
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:46,920
Speaker 1: time of year. Is to just like less and less

1625
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:50,160
Speaker 1: and less and less, because it'll all come back and back,

1626
01:30:50,200 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: come back, come back. So any of that stillness, anytime

1627
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:56,160
Speaker 1: you can get out of nature, anytime you can gaze

1628
01:30:56,200 --> 01:30:58,960
Speaker 1: up at the sky, anytime you can really truly be

1629
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:03,320
Speaker 1: present with your people, like hopefully there's gatherings and hopefully

1630
01:31:03,320 --> 01:31:06,920
Speaker 1: there's you know, places of warmth and connection in your life.

1631
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,360
Speaker 1: Just let yourself be filled back up. If this year

1632
01:31:10,439 --> 01:31:14,639
Speaker 1: has been disappointing, do what you can to fill yourself

1633
01:31:14,680 --> 01:31:16,719
Speaker 1: back up at this point.

1634
01:31:17,080 --> 01:31:19,519
Speaker 2: And are there any habits or practices you recommend people

1635
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,479
Speaker 2: take into the new year or to set themselves up

1636
01:31:22,479 --> 01:31:24,240
Speaker 2: for that new year to make it different.

1637
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:27,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I do have, you know, like we have

1638
01:31:28,360 --> 01:31:31,479
Speaker 1: on the app, We've got readings for the new year.

1639
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,960
Speaker 1: You can map out your whole year if you want

1640
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:37,080
Speaker 1: to use astrology, I go through each month and tell

1641
01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:39,840
Speaker 1: you about the energy and the pattern of that month

1642
01:31:39,840 --> 01:31:42,519
Speaker 1: and like this month is like go time. This month

1643
01:31:42,600 --> 01:31:44,840
Speaker 1: is going to look a little clustered and a little

1644
01:31:44,840 --> 01:31:48,519
Speaker 1: bit more difficult to like we can do this and

1645
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 1: this and this. So every week I give you specific

1646
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: things to do. I'm quite action orientated and also reflective,

1647
01:31:56,479 --> 01:31:58,360
Speaker 1: but I do like to say, Okay, this is what

1648
01:31:58,400 --> 01:32:00,680
Speaker 1: this time is good for, this is what we can do.

1649
01:32:01,400 --> 01:32:02,880
Speaker 1: And so I go through each month. So you could

1650
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:05,120
Speaker 1: always listen to all those readings and kind of plan

1651
01:32:05,240 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: out your month or your year month to month. And

1652
01:32:09,600 --> 01:32:12,360
Speaker 1: there is a ritual for the solstice that we have

1653
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 1: on the app because I think it is a really

1654
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:19,639
Speaker 1: powerful moment. It's the obviously the longest night and shortest day,

1655
01:32:20,240 --> 01:32:23,760
Speaker 1: but from there the light starts to increase. So any

1656
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:28,400
Speaker 1: intentions that you set or anything you do around the solstice,

1657
01:32:28,520 --> 01:32:33,599
Speaker 1: if you think in terms of cycles, brings the ever

1658
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:36,679
Speaker 1: increasing light with it. So it's a really good time

1659
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 1: to think of allow yourself to move into stillness and

1660
01:32:40,160 --> 01:32:44,160
Speaker 1: get really contemplative, fill yourself up, and then see what

1661
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:48,160
Speaker 1: are my intentions for this year? And plant those intentions

1662
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,320
Speaker 1: by writing them. You can burn them if you want,

1663
01:32:51,000 --> 01:32:55,160
Speaker 1: gather with friends, talk about them. How are you going

1664
01:32:55,240 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 1: to bring life into your intentions, like what are you

1665
01:33:01,400 --> 01:33:04,439
Speaker 1: going to You want to again, clear space, get clear

1666
01:33:04,479 --> 01:33:07,080
Speaker 1: about it, write them down, understand what it is you're

1667
01:33:07,080 --> 01:33:09,639
Speaker 1: moving towards, and then what are you going to do?

1668
01:33:10,160 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 1: And we got to we have to feed those We

1669
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,439
Speaker 1: have to feed those intentions then every day. But if

1670
01:33:15,479 --> 01:33:18,080
Speaker 1: you want to think of it symbolically, the winter solstice

1671
01:33:18,160 --> 01:33:20,960
Speaker 1: is that time when the light just continues to grow

1672
01:33:21,400 --> 01:33:24,040
Speaker 1: into the next six months, So you could use that

1673
01:33:24,080 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 1: as an encouragement.

1674
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:29,479
Speaker 2: Annie, you have completely expanded my viewpoint, opened my mind

1675
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 2: in an incredible way, and answered so many hopefully not

1676
01:33:34,840 --> 01:33:39,519
Speaker 2: stupid questions. I've learned so much, and I really am

1677
01:33:39,560 --> 01:33:42,720
Speaker 2: so happy that for your success and your ability to

1678
01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:46,400
Speaker 2: help so many people, because I can easily tell from

1679
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,679
Speaker 2: sitting with you for the past couple of hours that

1680
01:33:49,560 --> 01:33:52,240
Speaker 2: everything you're doing is coming from a great place but

1681
01:33:52,720 --> 01:33:56,080
Speaker 2: also is truly trying to guide people towards their greatness

1682
01:33:56,080 --> 01:33:59,640
Speaker 2: and their best self. And you know through through all

1683
01:33:59,640 --> 01:34:02,360
Speaker 2: your Maaze teachings and studies and research that you've done

1684
01:34:02,479 --> 01:34:03,719
Speaker 2: so thank you so.

1685
01:34:03,680 --> 01:34:04,479
Speaker 1: Much, thank you so much.

1686
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:07,439
Speaker 2: That's your joy. We end every episode of On Purpose

1687
01:34:07,439 --> 01:34:09,640
Speaker 2: with a final five Yes, these questions have to be

1688
01:34:09,640 --> 01:34:12,000
Speaker 2: answered in one word, one sentence.

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01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:13,599
Speaker 1: Word okay, do you have a sentence?

1690
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:17,000
Speaker 2: You have a centence? Okay, so Chinnie Nichols. The are

1691
01:34:17,040 --> 01:34:19,719
Speaker 2: your final five. The first question is what is the

1692
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 2: best advice you've ever heard or received?

1693
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:26,879
Speaker 1: If you choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself

1694
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:30,840
Speaker 1: about it. Your agency is your greatest gift and your

1695
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:35,280
Speaker 1: greatest power. The moment you feel sorry for yourself, you

1696
01:34:36,439 --> 01:34:40,960
Speaker 1: decouple yourself. You do yourself the greatest disservice. If you

1697
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:44,360
Speaker 1: choose it, do not feel sorry for yourself about what

1698
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:47,120
Speaker 1: it takes to make it happen. You can unchoose it,

1699
01:34:47,960 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 1: but if you're choosing it, this is what it is.

1700
01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:52,120
Speaker 1: Do you still want it?

1701
01:34:52,240 --> 01:34:53,559
Speaker 2: Such a great answer. I love that.

1702
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:54,720
Speaker 1: So many questions so good.

1703
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:56,400
Speaker 2: No, that was great. That was great. I loved it.

1704
01:34:56,840 --> 01:34:59,240
Speaker 2: Second question, what is the worst advice you've ever heard

1705
01:34:59,360 --> 01:34:59,879
Speaker 2: or received?

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Speaker 1: Someone telling me they didn't know how I was ever

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01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 1: going to find love. I don't know if that's advice,

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01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:06,320
Speaker 1: but yeah.

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Speaker 2: Question number three, does astrology tell you when you're going

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Speaker 2: to die?

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Speaker 1: There are ancient timing techniques that do I do not

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Speaker 1: dabble in those arts.

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01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:24,920
Speaker 2: Tell me, tell me more about the arts. You don't

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01:35:24,960 --> 01:35:25,400
Speaker 2: double it.

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01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:29,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to know about. There are timing techniques,

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01:35:29,520 --> 01:35:32,920
Speaker 1: there's like mathematical equations you can do, there's ways that

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01:35:32,920 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: you can tell that there are people. Very few most

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01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,679
Speaker 1: astrologers would say, I don't won't do that because I don't.

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01:35:39,720 --> 01:35:42,559
Speaker 1: I don't. That's not Ay, that's not an art form

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01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,719
Speaker 1: that I need to look at. It's above my pay grade.

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01:35:47,080 --> 01:35:52,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, got it. Question number four, what's a misconception about

1722
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 2: astrology that you'd like to debunk?

1723
01:35:57,200 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: That there are certain signs that are good or bad.

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01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 2: They're all bad.

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01:36:03,320 --> 01:36:05,040
Speaker 1: Yes, they're all problematic.

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01:36:08,120 --> 01:36:10,400
Speaker 2: Explain what's the right answer.

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Speaker 1: Well, everyone, every single sign is an archetype. So the

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01:36:14,680 --> 01:36:20,559
Speaker 1: archetype is both has qualities of both like magnificence and

1729
01:36:20,840 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: horror because they're reflective of us. So everyone's a problematic. Fave.

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Speaker 2: Fifth and final question. We asked this to every guest

1731
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,400
Speaker 2: who's ever been on the show. If you could create

1732
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:34,759
Speaker 2: one law that everyone in the world had to follow,

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01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:35,680
Speaker 2: what would it be.

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01:36:36,720 --> 01:36:38,479
Speaker 1: I've listened to a lot of your episodes. I don't

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01:36:38,520 --> 01:36:39,360
Speaker 1: remember this question.

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01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:43,679
Speaker 2: Oh it's always lost. Okay, so you're living Yeah, exactly,

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01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:45,759
Speaker 2: that's what I'm learning, Channi.

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01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:50,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, the law is that everybody's child is yours.

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01:36:51,360 --> 01:36:55,519
Speaker 2: M I love that answer. That's a great answer. Never

1740
01:36:55,520 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 2: had that before. That's brilliant. The book is called You

1741
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:01,240
Speaker 2: Were Born for This. The it's called the Channey App

1742
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:05,680
Speaker 2: Channey Nickels. Everyone, please share what you learned on your

1743
01:37:05,680 --> 01:37:09,360
Speaker 2: Instagram stories, your tiktoks. I'd love to see the clips

1744
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:11,680
Speaker 2: that you all create and the parts of this that

1745
01:37:11,720 --> 01:37:13,559
Speaker 2: you're going to practice. Of course, use the app if

1746
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 2: you're someone who really wants to know your chart and

1747
01:37:16,680 --> 01:37:19,720
Speaker 2: understand how your next year of twenty twenty six is

1748
01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 2: going to map out. And of course go and grab

1749
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:24,519
Speaker 2: Chanes's book You Were Born for This Astrology for Radical

1750
01:37:24,600 --> 01:37:28,519
Speaker 2: Self Acceptance, and follow Channey Nickels across all social media

1751
01:37:28,560 --> 01:37:31,880
Speaker 2: platforms if you don't already. Channy, thank you so much

1752
01:37:31,960 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 2: for being here today. I hope this is the first

1753
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:36,080
Speaker 2: and many times that you'll come on the show and

1754
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,200
Speaker 2: light them me in our community. And so grateful for

1755
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 2: you and thank you for asking answering all the questions

1756
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:45,240
Speaker 2: wherever we went. So grateful to connect with you. Thank

1757
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,519
Speaker 2: you so much, Thank you. If you love this episode,

1758
01:37:48,600 --> 01:37:52,280
Speaker 2: you love my conversation with doctor Joe Dispenser on why

1759
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:56,599
Speaker 2: stressing over thinking negatively impacts your brain and heart and

1760
01:37:56,640 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 2: how to change your habits that are on autopilot it

1761
01:38:00,560 --> 01:38:03,799
Speaker 2: right now. How many times do we have to forget

1762
01:38:04,200 --> 01:38:06,480
Speaker 2: until we stop forgetting and start remembering.

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01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: That's the moment of change. No one cares how many

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01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,360
Speaker 1: times you fell off the bicycle if you ride the bicycle.

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01:38:11,400 --> 01:38:12,519
Speaker 1: Now you ride the bike.