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Speaker 3: are ready to attack this twenty twenty five off season
Speaker 3: with a head, a heavy heart, and with a little
Speaker 3: extra I don't even know, maybe a little extra juice,
Speaker 3: because it's gonna be an interesting off season to say
Speaker 3: the least. We've got Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy
Speaker 3: Yarrish with Chris Bean in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 3: It's gonna be yeah, buckle up, here we go. That's
Speaker 3: buckle up, buttercup. Yeah, I mean, this is gonna be
Speaker 3: a an off season that is not for the faint
Speaker 3: of heart. Cowboys have relatively zero cap room and don't
Speaker 3: seem super happy about their options of finagling that cap room.
Speaker 5: And oh and by the way, they've got to make.
Speaker 3: A decision on their head coach moving forward.
Speaker 5: So lots to talk about. Yeah, a little bit on
Speaker 5: the docket there.
Speaker 3: But yeah, how's everybody doing.
Speaker 1: Everybody great? Great?
Speaker 3: Had some little chili coming in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that hawk has arrived, dude low bringing
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Speaker 3: What man, that one's on, Tommy.
Speaker 5: Is it is crispy as a Northerner, it is very cold.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're from Chicago, Yeah, one of the bears.
Speaker 5: We'll talk about that a little bit.
Speaker 1: Twenty one degrees is twenty one degrees no matter where
Speaker 1: you are. The other thing I would say, is that
Speaker 1: different for in Chicago because win But we talked about
Speaker 1: a few days ago that wind that us shoot this run.
Speaker 5: In that was very like yeah, yeah, and the snow
Speaker 5: that's about to hit two is very We're expected to
Speaker 5: get seven inches of I've seen.
Speaker 6: Very I've seen one to four seven.
Speaker 1: I saw graphic of eight to twelve.
Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that was over like a couple of days. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that that graphic up at the top. It's like over
Speaker 3: three or four days.
Speaker 5: But still either believe the one I see it is
Speaker 5: how I'm kind of seeing it because because there, because
Speaker 5: you're from Chicago. No no, no, no, no no, no,
Speaker 5: no no no. I'm not trying to not trying to
Speaker 5: upset mother nature. I'm just saying there have been many
Speaker 5: a time in this lone star state where you know,
Speaker 5: the weizer experts say hey, it's gonna snow x y
Speaker 5: z amount and then you get flurries and that's it.
Speaker 3: Regardless.
Speaker 5: Everybody stay safe when you're driving, you're careful of good
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Speaker 6: To you, have a meteorol see you doing it.
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Speaker 5: That's the next step that direction.
Speaker 3: Everybody looks very yeah, okay, well this very cowboys.
Speaker 1: We need.
Speaker 3: We got to get fast and loose in there. You
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Speaker 3: Man, you got one guy on one side of the
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Speaker 6: If anything, just undo one of them, you know what
Speaker 6: I mean, give us a little more neck you know,
Speaker 6: I'm saying.
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Speaker 5: Got an undershirt.
Speaker 6: He's got the chain on them. Kids watching, I'm just saying, dude,
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Speaker 3: Just think what does the chain have a number on it?
Speaker 5: It does, it's a numbers. It's twenty eight for my
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Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: Cowboys fall in their final game of the regular season.
Speaker 3: Nineteen vote for Darren Woodson, please do so.
Speaker 1: Twenty eight.
Speaker 3: Yep, that's why you wear the necklace. You're trying to
Speaker 3: get exact into canton uh reaction from Washington h Cowboys
Speaker 3: fall twenty three to nineteen in the final seconds of
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season. It was a bummer way
Speaker 3: to end it. I don't think there's a whole lot
Speaker 3: of people that were upset about it. At the end
Speaker 3: of the day, it was a game going into it.
Speaker 3: We all talked about it. It was a chance to evaluate,
Speaker 3: got to see Trey Lance quite a bit, got to
Speaker 3: see Jonathan Mingo, got to see Deuce Fawn. Finally you
Speaker 3: got to see all these guys play a little extra
Speaker 3: snaps up front, and I thought you still got what
Speaker 3: you needed to out of that game. You had a
Speaker 3: chance to win it against a playoff team that played
Speaker 3: their starters for the first half, made some switches in
Speaker 3: the second half, and honestly, you played really well against
Speaker 3: their starters in the first half with your reserves and
Speaker 3: your depth, so lots to come out of that. Your
Speaker 3: thoughts after the.
Speaker 1: Loss, well, first and foremost, I think that Mike Zimmer
Speaker 1: might be kryptonite to Jaydeon Daniels. I mean, outside of
Speaker 1: the the Terry McLaurin pass late in the first matchup,
Speaker 1: he's more or less shut down Jaydon Daniels. It took
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota to enter in the game for the Commanders
Speaker 1: that have any kind of juice offensively.
Speaker 3: To tell he was trying to yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: he had a vendetta.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was trying to make something happen so interesting there.
Speaker 1: That was a big takeaway for me, is like, you know,
Speaker 1: as much as some other defensive coordinators have been trying
Speaker 1: to figure out Jaydon Daniels. Mike Zimmers had his number
Speaker 1: from day one, so intriguing, and I wouldn't you know,
Speaker 1: mind putting that in the category of pros versus cons
Speaker 1: As far as if you're going to bring zimber bag,
Speaker 1: he clearly has the number of the franchise quarterback of
Speaker 1: a rival you're going to play multiple times a year
Speaker 1: for the next several years, so keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: But I'm going to circle to Trey Lance. Finally we
Speaker 1: get not only Trey Lance as a starter, we get
Speaker 1: a full game to evaluate Trey Lance. I've been standing
Speaker 1: here pleading for months now to see it. What never said?
Speaker 3: I know, man burn all.
Speaker 1: The receipts, I saw good and I saw bad from
Speaker 1: Trey Lance, which was expected. I didn't expect that he
Speaker 1: would go out there and light up the school board
Speaker 1: to the tune of forty one points.
Speaker 6: Josh, Hey, you know, but I would have liked if
Speaker 6: those were touchdowns instead of field goals. Been a little
Speaker 6: closer for Yeah, a little.
Speaker 1: Baby puts it in when you have gold to go
Speaker 1: on more than just one occasion out of the several.
Speaker 6: Chances you got into the red zone quite a few times.
Speaker 1: Did he used his legs, which we knew was going
Speaker 1: to happen. He looked great doing so. Some of his
Speaker 1: throws were more crisp than I than I expect. He
Speaker 1: had some good accuracy in that first half, that's a zip.
Speaker 1: He had some good accuracy, some anticipation some of those throws.
Speaker 1: But in the second half, when he was tasked with
Speaker 1: applying touch to those passes, it reared its head again,
Speaker 1: which is that's what he's been struggling with. And I've
Speaker 1: been saying that since training camp. We've talked about it
Speaker 1: since training camp when it comes to those those fades,
Speaker 1: which is why I couldn't understand why the Cowboys kept
Speaker 1: calling the fades the and then I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I know it was just a mistake, but the
Speaker 3: one di Rico daddle and.
Speaker 5: I felt so bad.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know what helps, Yeah, it's true, man, yea,
Speaker 6: let me.
Speaker 1: So come on, t I mean, was it perfect. Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: We didn't expect that it would be, but he did
Speaker 1: show me. I could honestly sit here and say he
Speaker 1: showed me enough to in Fred since the two way Street,
Speaker 1: so he would have to want to come back. But
Speaker 1: from a front office standpoint, based on that game, I
Speaker 1: would be willing to welcome him back at a reasonable
Speaker 1: price for that QB two battle for twenty QB two.
Speaker 3: That that second point is very important.
Speaker 1: Reasonable price, reasonable price, Yeah, of course, very very true.
Speaker 3: I think I'm there too. The timing was one of
Speaker 3: the things, Josh. I'm sure you'll allude to this too,
Speaker 3: but the timing was off a bit in some of
Speaker 3: the throws. He whenever it comes to the cannon that
Speaker 3: he has, doesn't matter, it's still going to happen. Like
Speaker 3: he's still got arm velocity, he's got the accuracy at times.
Speaker 3: It's anytime you've got a finesse. He doesn't have that
Speaker 3: element to his game, and the timing is a part
Speaker 3: of that.
Speaker 6: But I will say Jonathan Mingo had his best game
Speaker 6: as a cowboy.
Speaker 1: What do you know? What do you know?
Speaker 5: What happens when you get a good pass?
Speaker 6: More than one exactly?
Speaker 3: And I've interpret some things.
Speaker 6: To me, it felt like Trey Lance had more juice,
Speaker 6: I mean overall than what Kooper Rush was bringing you. Granted,
Speaker 6: you're getting more of a conservative I don't want to
Speaker 6: say bus driver flippantly, but that's kind of what you
Speaker 6: get from a Cooper Rush, right, And we talked about
Speaker 6: it several times where you're not seeing the zip on
Speaker 6: Cooper Rush's throws, whereas for Trey Lance, you were seeing
Speaker 6: him throw the ball down the field. You were getting
Speaker 6: multiple opportunities for guys like Cavante Turpin, multiple opportunities for
Speaker 6: guys like Jonathan Mingo. There was juice there, and I
Speaker 6: would have killed to have seen that develop over several
Speaker 6: games versus one single game. However, if you're Trey Lance,
Speaker 6: do you in the now where we're talking free agency? Right,
Speaker 6: if you are Trey Lance, do you not feel like
Speaker 6: you might have a better shot staying here at QB
Speaker 6: two then restarting with a brand new coaching staff. I mean, well,
Speaker 6: I don't know, starting over, I know, right, and maybe
Speaker 6: a new coaching staff to begin with anyways, So I
Speaker 6: don't know. I just feel like.
Speaker 1: Build on this man to answer your question, and I'll
Speaker 1: throw it to tell me. If I'm Trey Lance, I'm
Speaker 1: going really for a couple of reasons. One, if I
Speaker 1: were literally Trey Lance, I'm looking at it as you
Speaker 1: finally gave me the start in week eighteen. However, why
Speaker 1: not give me the opportunity when we were mathematically eliminated
Speaker 1: from the playoffs, even if it was not a little
Speaker 1: bit more than a package here there, but zero reps
Speaker 1: is crazy. But also when you consider the fact that
Speaker 1: in speaking with Trey Lance after the game and going
Speaker 1: into this offseason, though when I asked him, he did
Speaker 1: say he is still not focused on free agency, so
Speaker 1: as recently as right after the game, he was like,
Speaker 1: I'm still right where I am. I need to do
Speaker 1: some reflection on the season. But he also said he's
Speaker 1: looking forward to an opportunity. That stuck with me because
Speaker 1: the question then becomes the opportunity to be what is
Speaker 1: an opportunity to remain a QB two and maybe be
Speaker 1: someone's QB three if they don't feel like they want
Speaker 1: to compete with the QB two. If it's for a chance,
Speaker 1: even a remote chance to be QB one, that's not
Speaker 1: happening here. So if I'm Trey Lance, and that opportunity
Speaker 1: that I'm looking for is at least a I don't
Speaker 1: want to say fair, but at least an open opportunity
Speaker 1: to battle for QB one somewhere, that's I'm going really quickly.
Speaker 6: If you are another two, I mean, I granted, maybe
Speaker 6: we're too close to the cowboy situation of it all.
Speaker 6: But I don't think he has a QB one.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying, hey, I'm not saying he has a And.
Speaker 6: I don't think anybody takes a mill again on like
Speaker 6: the one game that he gave you to say, oh well,
Speaker 6: let's give him a shot at QB one. I think
Speaker 6: his best scores of action would be to stay. But
Speaker 6: then again, I am very biased.
Speaker 1: But I see what you're saying. So let me clarify.
Speaker 1: I mean contextually speaking, so from a Trey Lance standpoint,
Speaker 1: if he's talking about an opportunity to compete for QB one,
Speaker 1: not necessarily right off the bat, because he's not going
Speaker 1: to have this influx of NFL teams that are beating
Speaker 1: down his doing free agency. Let's be clear on that.
Speaker 1: But if it's a way two or three, and it may,
Speaker 1: and if it is those two or three, you look
Speaker 1: at those two or three, and you look at the
Speaker 1: starting QB situation and you say, is that a Dak Prescott?
Speaker 1: Is that a Patrick Mahomes? Is that a tool? If
Speaker 1: the answer is no, no, no, is that a CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: If the answer is no, no, no, no no, then
Speaker 1: you have a chance. You go in knowing that you're
Speaker 1: likely QB two in those two or three situations, but
Speaker 1: you have your eye open to say I can probably
Speaker 1: beat out QB one.
Speaker 6: But are you looking at Dak Prescott in terms of
Speaker 6: health saying like, hey, man.
Speaker 3: Oh, I mean that's a different that's a conversation, a
Speaker 3: different conversation. I mean, the contract for Dak has him here,
Speaker 3: of course, ever, but you could look elsewhere and say, okay,
Speaker 3: is that an aging quarterback too? Of course, guys that
Speaker 3: are out what I mean, bad example, because he's an
Speaker 3: unrestricted free agent. But let's say Aaron Rodgers returns to
Speaker 3: New York. That's example, and then he returns to New York,
Speaker 3: and then there's a second opportunity at the quarterback spot there.
Speaker 1: Maybe Trey Lance is out there.
Speaker 3: You've got next up, guarantee. I don't know if Trey
Speaker 3: Lance has earned that opportunity yet. From an NFL wide standpoint,
Speaker 3: I'm curious to see what you think.
Speaker 5: I don't think so, and I don't think he put
Speaker 5: enough on tape on Sunday to warrant that either. I
Speaker 5: think you guys make good points. When I look at
Speaker 5: Trey Lance. This is a guy who has not played
Speaker 5: a lot of football in his career. When you think
Speaker 5: back to his days in college and in the NFL. Now,
Speaker 5: this is a guy who, simply put is very raw,
Speaker 5: and that's why Dallas took him because they wanted to
Speaker 5: see what could happen when they baked him a little
Speaker 5: bit and see what the product was. I don't think
Speaker 5: it was an awful product on Sunday, and I don't
Speaker 5: think that he's just been sitting there all this entire time.
Speaker 5: I think there has been some development during his time here.
Speaker 5: But when you look at that game on Sunday, like
Speaker 5: Patrick said, there was good, there was bad. Easy passes
Speaker 5: like the end zone that he underthrows, you've got to
Speaker 5: make those. You just have to make those. I thought
Speaker 5: there were some instances where he had running room in
Speaker 5: front of him. I mean, all we've talked about with
Speaker 5: adding Trey Lance to the folded quarterback has been using
Speaker 5: his legs.
Speaker 1: As psych he took him the second half.
Speaker 5: He's got six carries for twenty six yards. I think
Speaker 5: he could have easily had fifty to fifty five sixty
Speaker 5: yards in this game if he tucks a couple more
Speaker 5: and takes off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so that QB two opportunity.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it's here, because I think Cooper
Speaker 5: Rush gives you the better opportunity to win as a
Speaker 5: backup quarterback because he's already done it for you. It's
Speaker 5: not fun football all the time because it's more of
Speaker 5: just to manage the game, push the ball downfield, stick
Speaker 5: to the script type deal. But if it's winning you
Speaker 5: football games, that's what he's done and until he proves
Speaker 5: you otherwise, I don't know.
Speaker 3: Why Philadelphia, and also really.
Speaker 5: Quick unless it's Philadelphia, since.
Speaker 1: That Cooper Rush point. Cooper Rush has already felt what
Speaker 1: it's like to be on a different team, and I
Speaker 1: don't think he wants to go through that again.
Speaker 3: That didn't happen very well, right.
Speaker 1: He's extremely comfortable here, even if there's a change of
Speaker 1: head quotes. The quarterback is still Dak Prescott and they
Speaker 1: have a great relationship, and Cooper Rush is going to
Speaker 1: likely accept the veteran minimum to remain here. So that
Speaker 1: sounds delicious for a front office that's pushing the cap
Speaker 1: issue as something to content with.
Speaker 3: It's also a front office that's trying to prove that
Speaker 3: the fourth round pick that they sent to San Francisco
Speaker 3: was worth it at the same time.
Speaker 1: So there's there's elements to really trying to prove that
Speaker 1: he would have start.
Speaker 3: Started a long time ago. I agree, trust me.
Speaker 5: I will say I think there are a lot of
Speaker 5: situations where Trey Lance can really excel. Sure, I just
Speaker 5: don't know if it's here.
Speaker 1: And that's where I am with it. Yeah, so the
Speaker 1: I'm Trey Lance, that's how I feel. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is the fit for me right.
Speaker 3: A couple of things that add there. I think based
Speaker 3: off of what we saw on Sunday, Trey Lance is
Speaker 3: an NFL quarterback right, Yes, playing and simple, he is
Speaker 3: an NFL quarterback, just not a store not a starter.
Speaker 3: That's kind of and where where we are there's still
Speaker 3: that possibility because there were flashes of it. And there's
Speaker 3: always the athleticism side of things too that I think
Speaker 3: you have to keep in mind. You bring up a
Speaker 3: great point, the timidness to run. I wish Isaiah was
Speaker 3: here for this, because Isaiah was a dual threat quarterback
Speaker 3: in his own right, and he was talking about it
Speaker 3: on Sunday when we were watching the game. He was saying,
Speaker 3: I think they have told him they want to see
Speaker 3: him as a passer. He's like, because when you're a
Speaker 3: running quarterback and you're told all your life going up
Speaker 3: into the NFL, run when you need to run, when
Speaker 3: you need to run, when you need to Then you
Speaker 3: get to the NFL and you face guys that are
Speaker 3: much more athletic than what you've seen in the past,
Speaker 3: and they say, we need you to stop running. Your
Speaker 3: instincts go away. Yeah, there were a couple of times.
Speaker 3: You go back on film, there was the sact that
Speaker 3: he took where he's statued statued up, but then you
Speaker 3: could see there was a moment, there's a moment in
Speaker 3: his head where the instincts kicked in. He took a step,
Speaker 3: but then he sat down and he sat in it.
Speaker 3: So there are times in that game and you can
Speaker 3: go back and watch it. Go find the film where
Speaker 3: he takes a step and that instinct is there. You
Speaker 3: could see it. Run run, run, run and run. But
Speaker 3: he pulls back and then because his voice is correct,
Speaker 3: because he's being told, we want to see what you
Speaker 3: can do as a pocket passer in the NFL against defenses,
Speaker 3: against pass rush, how do you avoid it? Did a
Speaker 3: great job on the play. The Rico Dattle to avoid
Speaker 3: the pass rush. He was swarmed behind the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 3: had a brilliant move that was Trey Lancel was like,
Speaker 3: this is the play, and then it just fluttered to
Speaker 3: the ground and it was unfortunate. So that's the microcosm.
Speaker 3: If you could take the entirety of Trey Lance's NFL career,
Speaker 3: both in San Francisco and in Dallas right now, put
Speaker 3: it into one play, it would be that Rico Doubtle play, athleticism, talent, vision,
Speaker 3: all sorts of society. But then it just still doesn't
Speaker 3: click and it still doesn't happen. So I'm interested. He's
Speaker 3: one of the more intriguing storylines going into the off
Speaker 3: season and an off season full of storylines. But it's
Speaker 3: interesting because he could be one of those guys. I mean,
Speaker 3: we're looking at across the NFC playoff put picture right now,
Speaker 3: how many of those guys that are currently quarterbacks in
Speaker 3: a playoff picture right now are thrown away by their
Speaker 3: not original teams, but other teams along the way. You've
Speaker 3: got Jared Goff as the number one seed. You've got
Speaker 3: Sam Darnold as a possible MVP. Conversation you've got Baker Mayfield,
Speaker 3: who was on the Carolina Panthers backing up Andy Dalton
Speaker 3: like a year and a half ago. Like, there's all
Speaker 3: of these things that are playing a factor. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I'm ready to give up on Trey Lance
Speaker 3: just yet. And he shouldn't be as a team.
Speaker 1: He's shown he's worth further development. Yes, as a player.
Speaker 1: If I'm Trey Lance, I just got to feel like
Speaker 1: there's a potentially better fit some world and.
Speaker 3: Maybe a better price too.
Speaker 6: If they're telling him not to run at all costs,
Speaker 6: I think that you're cutting him off the knees. You're
Speaker 6: selling that is just that second.
Speaker 1: I almost jumped out of the press box window, like
Speaker 1: I was just like, you gotta be kidding me. He
Speaker 1: had the green there, and if he takes that, he's
Speaker 1: probably in the one yard line and his fourth and short.
Speaker 1: Now we've seen how that happened. But nonetheless, maybe you scored,
Speaker 1: whatever the case, don't stat up in that situation. And
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Go back and look at the film.
Speaker 1: He stuttered and then stood back up.
Speaker 6: And you're taking away one of the reasons you have
Speaker 6: him on the team. One of the reasons he exists
Speaker 6: as a player.
Speaker 3: The reason he was the second most impressive quarterback in
Speaker 3: that game was because look at what Marcus Mariota did
Speaker 3: with his life. Came out right playing in Marcus Mariota.
Speaker 1: Did a good thing.
Speaker 3: Arrows, He made some great throws.
Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong, he was definitely playing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Play of his game was the fourth and one
Speaker 3: that he took off.
Speaker 1: The yeah, that's what you can do with Trey Lance
Speaker 1: is basically so Mariota versus Tree Lance. It was the
Speaker 1: battle of free agency backups. That's basically because they were
Speaker 1: both battling to try to make themselves valuable.
Speaker 3: And Marcus mariotas Marcus, Yes you did, Marcus. Marcus Mariota
Speaker 3: is a QB two with with starter upside, whereas Trey
Speaker 3: Lance is a QB two with developmental upside. That's part
Speaker 3: of what perfect I looked at it out of this.
Speaker 3: All right, let's take our first break when we come back.
Speaker 3: Trey Lance is not the only decision that the Cowboys
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Speaker 3: got a deadline of January fourteenth, and somebody's already knocking
Speaker 3: on the door to talk to Mike McCarthy when we
Speaker 3: come back. What does the coaching situation look like with
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Speaker 3: that throughout this offseason. The Chicago Bears had a little
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Speaker 3: did they yeah? Early morning hours the day after the
Speaker 3: Cowboys were eliminated from the twenty twenty four campaign, the
Speaker 3: Chicago Bears reported to have asked for permission to talk
Speaker 3: to Mike McCarthy. They said, we're not going to wait
Speaker 3: until this January fourteenth deadline. We would like to throw
Speaker 3: out a possible request to talk to your head coach.
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, make a decision.
Speaker 6: Is what January sixth and they're deciding to invade our building?
Speaker 5: I don't know, n goes the star Baby. Is that
Speaker 5: the first time that's happened.
Speaker 1: I think so.
Speaker 3: There's not any other time that that could but the Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's exactly what they did. They sent an insurrection of sorts.
Speaker 1: If you will.
Speaker 3: Trying to talk to our head guy for sure.
Speaker 6: Uh, I don't even know where.
Speaker 1: To go for me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if the Cowboys use this, uh,
Speaker 1: this window of exclusivity to try to hammer out a deal.
Speaker 1: If they decided they're going.
Speaker 3: To keep away, they accept it, right.
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say so, because if you're even considering
Speaker 1: keeping him around, you you use this window in your
Speaker 1: your favor. You don't just let someone invade and give
Speaker 1: him for me? No, no, no, you wait until Jamiary fourteen.
Speaker 1: Let us have our conversation. I know you do, because
Speaker 1: he a decision made.
Speaker 3: Like yes, yesterday or last week or already.
Speaker 6: And I'm with you, and he's on record saying that
Speaker 6: would have happened last week.
Speaker 1: But I would say, and we've said this on this
Speaker 1: on this panel before, when I was naming some teams
Speaker 1: that when I said free agency is a two way street,
Speaker 1: not just for players but for coaches alike. Okay, So,
Speaker 1: for as much as the Cowboys need to decide on
Speaker 1: miche McCarthy, Mike McCarthy needs to decide on the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: This is not a Jason Garrett situation. This is not
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett situation where there was no interest from it.
Speaker 1: Any other other third said that as far as the
Speaker 1: head coaching position is concerned, this is different. Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: has actual value. He's coming. He re established a culture
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Playoff clature didn't get reestablished fair enough,
Speaker 1: I agree, But three twelve and five seasons becomes one
Speaker 1: of the winningest coaches in Cowboys franchise history. He has
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl ring shining on his finger. He's shown
Speaker 1: that he can hit the reset button for your franchise,
Speaker 1: whatever your franchise might be. That's going to be very
Speaker 1: intriguing for teams like Jacksonville, New Orleans and the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1: And it just makes sense for me. The New Orleans Saints.
Speaker 1: He has history there, He's a former oc there. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know that he would deal with what's going
Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville because Trent balk is still out there
Speaker 1: and that's just a toxic situation. But the Bears intrigued me,
Speaker 1: and that's why that was the lead horse for a
Speaker 1: team that would come after McCarthy in my eyes that
Speaker 1: I said a few weeks ago. Number one, it puts
Speaker 1: him a geographically closer to home. His family is still
Speaker 1: in green Bay still, right. Point Number two is that
Speaker 1: we all know how his time in Green Bay ended.
Speaker 1: This would give him an opportunity to play against the
Speaker 1: Bears twice a year for the next several years. Right
Speaker 1: and then I had a court a thought. I think
Speaker 1: I said it to you, Temmy, I said it to
Speaker 1: someone if in fact the Mikes are a package deal,
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Mike Zimmer To that same point, Mike
Speaker 1: Zimmer would be going back to the NFC North and
Speaker 1: he would get to exercise a vendetta against the Minnesota
Speaker 1: Vikings for multiple times a year for the next years.
Speaker 1: So it's a very intriguing standpoint. I want to get
Speaker 1: the take of the Chicago native. What what what's the
Speaker 1: temperature of your home city as far as possibly bringing
Speaker 1: McCarthy in.
Speaker 5: Well, it's cold. Here's the thing when I look at this,
Speaker 5: a couple things. First of all, the Bears have requested
Speaker 5: twelve head coaching yes, right now. Yeah, this is a
Speaker 5: wide net.
Speaker 3: I've got a list. If you want me to listen,
Speaker 3: they're turning over everyone.
Speaker 1: Actually, I would love for you to listen.
Speaker 3: Okay. So these are the other interviews that the Bears
Speaker 3: have requested. Brian Flores Vikings defensive coordinator, Aaron Glenn Lions
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator that has been accepted, Ben Johnson, offensive coordinator
Speaker 3: for the Lions, Mike Kafka, Giants OC Mike McCarthy, Cowboys
Speaker 3: head coach Todd Monkin, Raven's offensive coordinator Drew Petsig, Cardinals
Speaker 3: OC David Shaw, former Stanford head coach and current Broncos
Speaker 3: executive Arthur Smith, Steelers offensive coordinator Anthony Weaver, Dolphins defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator Mike Vrabel, former Titans head coach.
Speaker 5: That one has also been scheduled. Yeah, so I think
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson's probably the leader in the clubhouse there. When
Speaker 5: when I look at this situation, I understand why the
Speaker 5: Cowboys right now aren't letting, aren't accepting that because he's
Speaker 5: you know, he's still under that period until the fourteenth.
Speaker 5: I think they'd be doing Mike McCarthy a massive disservice
Speaker 5: if they were to go through this next seven days
Speaker 5: and not have any intention of bringing him back. I'm
Speaker 5: not saying that's what's happening. I'm just saying that's something
Speaker 5: to keep an eye on. So the fact that nothing
Speaker 5: has agree more time, the fact that nothing has been accepted,
Speaker 5: tells me at least that there's interest in retaining Mike
Speaker 5: McCarthy's head coach. So the other part of this is
Speaker 5: when you look at the fit in Chicago, my thing is,
Speaker 5: are the Bears going to be willing to bring somebody
Speaker 5: who frankly owned them for a majority of a decade
Speaker 5: plus to try and turn this frand to try to
Speaker 5: turn the franchise around. I think Mike McCarthy would be
Speaker 5: a good fit in Chicago because he's he's got a
Speaker 5: track record of developing quarterbacks. Kali Williams call a guy
Speaker 5: and right, he's gotten comparisons to Aaron Rodgers. He's said
Speaker 5: he's idolized Aaron Rodgers and how he tries to play
Speaker 5: the game. So that's there, But I'm not so sure
Speaker 5: that Mike McCarthy is very high on the list of
Speaker 5: candidates for them at this point in time, because when
Speaker 5: you think about the Bears in the past too, they've
Speaker 5: always been a defense heavy franchise. That's been their bread
Speaker 5: and butter. They want to play good defense and they
Speaker 5: want to run the football.
Speaker 3: How does that work for them since it hasn't worked
Speaker 3: well at all?
Speaker 5: You know, Like I said, I think Ben Johnson's the
Speaker 5: leader in the clubhouse, but they're also just casting a
Speaker 5: wide net. So it doesn't shock me at all that
Speaker 5: McCarthy's on that list. And I'm sure there will be
Speaker 5: other teams that throw their hat in the Mike McCarthy circle,
Speaker 5: But at least from right now, with nothing at all
Speaker 5: being said about we've granted Mike McCarthy the permission to
Speaker 5: do this interview. That tells me that there's interest in
Speaker 5: bringing him back.
Speaker 6: It just sounds like they're turning over every rock, which
Speaker 6: is what they should do when you're in that position
Speaker 6: of need, when you're in position of trying to rebrand
Speaker 6: the identity of your team. Possibly, I think that's a
Speaker 6: great way to go about it. But you said, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, Mike McCarthy basically owned Chicago Bears for a
Speaker 6: good time whenever he was with the Packers. The Cowboys
Speaker 6: were in a similar situation too.
Speaker 1: I mean, he won a.
Speaker 6: Super Bowl here h and Aaron Rodgers and the Packers
Speaker 6: did a lot of the unkind things to the Dallas
Speaker 6: Cowboys with Mike McCarthy as coach. So we were sort
Speaker 6: of in a situation where we're like, Okay, if you
Speaker 6: can't beat them, get them, Yeah, yeah, bring them on,
Speaker 6: bring them on. But then again, you have to consider
Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy's record against the Packers since leaving the Packers
Speaker 6: has not been great. Man, He's not performed very well,
Speaker 6: especially a certain wild card game from last season.
Speaker 5: I want to talk about this, stop it and you
Speaker 5: can make an argument that the NFC and NORSE is
Speaker 5: the toughest division.
Speaker 3: Yes right now, now, yes see, But that's you got
Speaker 3: to keep that in mind too. In a different way, thing,
Speaker 3: Ebb and flow in the NFL all the time right now,
Speaker 3: right this second, the Vikings, the Lions and the Packers
Speaker 3: are just all juggernauts, and they're beating up on each other,
Speaker 3: and they're beating up on the Bears and they're beating
Speaker 3: up on all the other teams in the NFC. But
Speaker 3: within four to five years, when you've got a fully
Speaker 3: developed Caleb Williams, you've got a fresh roster of young
Speaker 3: talent and guys that you can go get. They have
Speaker 3: some salary crap cap room to keep that in mind,
Speaker 3: Cowboys salary, that's what it is in Dallas right now.
Speaker 1: But that's.
Speaker 3: So the fact that Mike has already been told by
Speaker 3: the front office the same way Steven Jones has told
Speaker 3: everybody else, we don't have money to spend this offseason,
Speaker 3: which is true. They are strapped in terms of the
Speaker 3: salary cap. When you get to the salary cap in Chicago,
Speaker 3: it's not nearly as bad. It's not perfect either, it's
Speaker 3: about halfway, but you've got some room to move. You've
Speaker 3: got a young quarterback and at some point you will
Speaker 3: be that juggernaut.
Speaker 1: But you know they don't have in Chicago. You don't
Speaker 1: have a an established all pro quarterback which some years
Speaker 1: left not yet but not yet that he's built to
Speaker 1: Kyle Yoman's always say it hasn't happened.
Speaker 3: It hasn't happened, but he's built two of them. You
Speaker 3: got to give him credit. He built dac first got
Speaker 3: into an All Pro fair and he helped build h Aaron.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean they have it.
Speaker 3: Who's there, Michael Parsons, Eric Keenan Allen, who's the on
Speaker 3: over show?
Speaker 1: I mean they have they have a couple of pieces.
Speaker 1: So now, and what we're doing is, yeah, so we're
Speaker 1: doing it from a POV from McCarthy right now, folks,
Speaker 1: is what we're saying right now. So if you're McCarthy, yeah,
Speaker 1: these are some things that you're waning. And I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that he would wave off Chicago because they don't
Speaker 1: have as many of the cornerstone pieces as the Cowboys have.
Speaker 1: But it is a rightful conversation for a guy who
Speaker 1: has so many years in the league, and you have
Speaker 1: to start wondering at this point, this is fair wonder
Speaker 1: how many more years McCarthy wants to coach in the league.
Speaker 1: Right So maybe he feels like he and this is
Speaker 1: just speculative, maybe he feels like he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: do a hard reset with a particular team or any
Speaker 1: particular team. So these are all things that McCarthy is
Speaker 1: going to mole in his head, is what I'm.
Speaker 3: Saying, and he goes back to what Tommy said, that's
Speaker 3: this is all speculative.
Speaker 1: If he's even the choice in Chicago, Ben Johnson and
Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, that's one A and one B on anyone's
Speaker 1: list who's looking for him for sure, and then the
Speaker 1: rest includes McCarthy is like in the group of the conversation,
Speaker 1: Tier B, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: I think Mike still got a lot left in the tank,
Speaker 5: and I think he takes pride in being a builder.
Speaker 5: He talked about that postgame after Washington. He really enjoys
Speaker 5: building a program from the ground up. You could argue
Speaker 5: he did that in Green Bay. Obviously, they're one of
Speaker 5: the historic franchises in the NFL. The Bears are too.
Speaker 5: The issue with the Bears is they've whiffed on their
Speaker 5: head coaching hires, they've whiffed on their general manager hires,
Speaker 5: and it's just kind of been a mess. There's never
Speaker 5: been alignment, I don't think in Chicago, and some of
Speaker 5: the draft choices that they've made, like this past year,
Speaker 5: taking you know, Rama Donze instead of maybe there's an
Speaker 5: offensive a lignement on the board who could have helped
Speaker 5: you out there. They have the worst offensive line in
Speaker 5: the NFL this year, maybe one of the worst offensive
Speaker 5: lines time. I mean, it was just terrible to watch
Speaker 5: the Caleb Williams was one of, if not the most
Speaker 5: sacked quarterbacks in the NFL.
Speaker 1: He was the most.
Speaker 6: I think it was a record to Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: I think was was he.
Speaker 6: I think he was the most sack.
Speaker 5: Of the Regardless regardless of the case, they've got to
Speaker 5: draft better, there's got to be alignment. It doesn't they
Speaker 5: just have to hit this head coaching higher or else.
Speaker 5: It's just going to be the same sort of cycle
Speaker 5: that they've gotten themselves into, where you know, you've got
Speaker 5: your quarterback who is dealing with a new head coach
Speaker 5: every two years. He's dealing with a new GM every year,
Speaker 5: and that's just, you know, not sustainable for an NFL.
Speaker 3: Williams was sacked sixteen more times than any other quarterback
Speaker 3: this year. So you're thinking all time, all time.
Speaker 1: Yes, now we're plv in from Chicago. If I'm Chicago,
Speaker 1: I'd love how they're handling it. As far as due
Speaker 1: diligence cast a wide knit, that's just the wise thing
Speaker 1: to do. But the possibility of having a chance to
Speaker 1: cripple the Detroit Lions by pulling away either Aaron Glenn
Speaker 1: or Ben Johnson. Blank you blank checked that. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: just slapped Ben Johnson.
Speaker 5: A blank checking Johnson should get over and you know
Speaker 5: they've got the personnel I think in Detroit and Johnson done,
Speaker 5: what has he done?
Speaker 1: What is he doing?
Speaker 5: Scoring forty?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Ben Jonson, he plays that look really impactful.
Speaker 5: I think, well, I think part of the reason for
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson's success too is the personnel that he's got.
Speaker 5: But that is credit to to him. The way Detroit
Speaker 5: has built their roster through the draft and through free agency.
Speaker 3: He turned him on the Saint Brown, a fourth round
Speaker 3: pick into one of the top five or six receivers
Speaker 3: in the NFL.
Speaker 5: But that's what happens when you've got alignment from the
Speaker 5: top down. And so that's what you need for really
Speaker 5: for any NFL franchise, you're owner, general manager, and head
Speaker 5: coaching to all be on the same page and I'll
Speaker 5: be moving forward together when it comes to personnel, coaching,
Speaker 5: hires and things of that.
Speaker 3: And I could hear so many killboys fans right now.
Speaker 1: Allow me to megaphone what fans think you're saying that,
Speaker 1: do you feel that's the situation here in Dallas right now?
Speaker 1: Right now they're in alignment.
Speaker 5: If they bring Michae McCarthy back, that shows me that
Speaker 5: there is alignment. Yes, that there is alment sense of
Speaker 5: I believe in what you're doing. I believe in what
Speaker 5: your scheme looks like. I believe in what your personnel
Speaker 5: decisions look like. That that would be my proof of
Speaker 5: there's a line, because you'd be going on to year
Speaker 5: with six or year year six of the same program,
Speaker 5: the same way of doing things, and for a majority
Speaker 5: of the same personnel.
Speaker 1: I think for the most part they have been in alignment,
Speaker 1: which is why they were twelve and five, twelve and
Speaker 1: five twelve five exactly align. I think what this season
Speaker 1: did was expose the the part that was misaligned, which
Speaker 1: is personnel decessions right depth. Jerry Jones himself, who does
Speaker 1: a lot of spaghetti talking right, was very definitive when
Speaker 1: asked after the game after the finale if he regrets
Speaker 1: the personnel decisions not giving Mike McCarthy the roster that
Speaker 1: he feels Mike because should have had. He said yes,
Speaker 1: he said that's fair. So when you hear the owner
Speaker 1: and general manager admitting that the personnel decisions could have
Speaker 1: been better. Maybe they could have attacked free agency a
Speaker 1: little bit better, Maybe they could have done this, could
Speaker 1: have done that. I think that's the misalignment. So when
Speaker 1: I pose the question for the fans of is it
Speaker 1: like Detroit or can it be like Detroit where there's
Speaker 1: this straight line going down with no wiggle room Right now,
Speaker 1: there's too much wiggle room in that one capacity. I think,
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? I think culturally, I
Speaker 1: think strategically, I think they're all on the same page,
Speaker 1: and they're on the same direction and they're moving in lockstep.
Speaker 1: But there's that disconnect with personnel as far as who
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy would want to see added to the team
Speaker 1: versus who is not added to the team, and then
Speaker 1: who's added to the team instead of who Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: might want added to the team.
Speaker 6: And if they aren't aligned, they will be much aligned.
Speaker 1: But you can how long did you sit on that?
Speaker 5: You're sitting on it for a while. To wrap up
Speaker 5: that point, you can fix that this offseason, Yes you can,
Speaker 5: you definitely.
Speaker 1: Can, But that's that's that's a promisory note. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: because that's what you would be signing for Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 1: So if McCarthy decides if you want him back, and
Speaker 1: he decides to come back, he's basically asking you to
Speaker 1: sign a promisory note saying, when free agency and the
Speaker 1: draft arrive, this is what this is what I want.
Speaker 1: Give me what I want, Bautista, give me what I want.
Speaker 5: So that's that's when he gets what he wants.
Speaker 1: And maybe and even though the five seasons, maybe if
Speaker 1: he got I there's come on, I come on, I
Speaker 1: want to show this week.
Speaker 3: I want Will McClay to get what he wants. In
Speaker 3: terms of the draft person the draft, I could care
Speaker 3: less what Mike McCarthy wants from a player personnel standpoint,
Speaker 3: as long as he's able to coach him and get
Speaker 3: him ready to go. There's been too much I think
Speaker 3: over the last two years coach intervention in the draft process.
Speaker 3: But don't talk about that on the draft shows. At
Speaker 3: some point down the line, like balance wise, totally fine. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's Draft eleven. I want if if you're bringing Will
Speaker 3: McClay back, and you're bringing him back for the long
Speaker 3: haul and Mike McCarthy's back, that's fine. I've already been
Speaker 3: on record to say it would be a mistake to
Speaker 3: get rid of Mike McCarthy. I stand by that right now.
Speaker 3: I don't think he should have the same say that
Speaker 3: he's had the last couple of years in terms of
Speaker 3: the draft process. Fair enough, that's where I record.
Speaker 5: So I think I get.
Speaker 1: Speaking balance because here's what balance. I get what balance
Speaker 1: gets you a safety position being revamped because of a
Speaker 1: guy like Dan Quinn. Sure, dan Quinn came in. Before
Speaker 1: dan Quinn, Cowboys couldn't get it at safety. Dan Quinn
Speaker 1: comes in, he gets them to reevaluate the imports of
Speaker 1: the safety position. That's what being in alignment compromise looks like.
Speaker 1: When you don't compromise and it's just only giving the
Speaker 1: scouts what they want and the coaches can't gel with
Speaker 1: that personnel, you have a problem. And vice versa. Can
Speaker 1: give the coaches everything they want, but the scouts aren't
Speaker 1: really lought in.
Speaker 6: But then you'll see a lot of what Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 6: done where it's like I don't know what to do
Speaker 6: with this guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, inactive Trey Lance, see, but I mean ceedee lamb
Speaker 3: was that was a scout pick that Ceedee Lamb was
Speaker 3: a Scout pick. Michael Parsons was a Scout pick. Marvin
Speaker 3: Overshown was a win and a scout let them pick.
Speaker 3: There have been some other picks that haven't happened. Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy wanted to run twelve personnel. That's why you have
Speaker 3: Luke Schoomaker in the second round, plain and simple. They
Speaker 3: wanted some of those other guys that are above them.
Speaker 3: You have Luke Schoomaker because Mike McCarthy wanted Luke Schoomaker.
Speaker 3: At that point, you've got all these other picks along
Speaker 3: the way. Trey Smith scout pick that was not a
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy pick. That was a scout pick.
Speaker 1: Fair enough.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of those things that in the past.
Speaker 3: I love Mike McCarthy in terms of what he can
Speaker 3: bring and make and mold out of what he's given
Speaker 3: in terms of a football team. We saw that down
Speaker 3: the stretch of last year and that's where my respect
Speaker 3: lines with Mike McCarthy. However, I'm reluctant to give him
Speaker 3: the keys to the entire busy. And that's what I
Speaker 3: was just.
Speaker 6: Like, we're talking about this entire show alignment.
Speaker 1: Everybody in the middle.
Speaker 5: Everybody, Okay, all right, let's move on.
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Speaker 6: Like do you we get to Yeah? Yeah, we fit
Speaker 6: it all in one episode.
Speaker 1: It with your chest, you know, yeah, we do get
Speaker 1: the cram it all into. But then we got a
Speaker 1: wait forty fire week.
Speaker 6: Forty five minutes snapshot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not forty five minutes, don't We're now.
Speaker 6: Yeah, forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: You kidding me?
Speaker 3: I mean the next show that we're on has me
Speaker 3: and Tommy on it, so I guess we're just hurting
Speaker 3: ourselves at that point. All right, Uh? Priority the Wolves? Yes, Cowboys?
Speaker 1: Wait, baby, what's your.
Speaker 3: Priority this offseason? What's the first domino that needs to fall?
Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about coach or locol McClay, so
Speaker 3: wipe those off the board. We've talked about those enough.
Speaker 3: What's the ones thing outside of front office and or
Speaker 3: coaching moves that needs to happen?
Speaker 6: Retain George Lewis resigned Geordan Lewis as soon aceptually to steal,
Speaker 6: to steal a phrase from my buddy Patrick here. To me,
Speaker 6: Jordan Lewis is one of the beating hearts of your defense.
Speaker 6: You don't have de Marvin overshown for the foreseeable future,
Speaker 6: not until late twenty five, according to the Marvin Overstone.
Speaker 6: To me, Jordan Lewis is giving you everything he deserves,
Speaker 6: the bag he deserves to be on this team. You
Speaker 6: do not want to lose a guy like Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 6: To me, that is the guy that will truly get
Speaker 6: you where you want it.
Speaker 3: And that's not gonna happen until the league year right
Speaker 3: free agency starts, because he's gonna see what.
Speaker 6: And he deserves out there. He deserves to. But just
Speaker 6: make him priority.
Speaker 1: You know one way you could keep Jordan Lewis and
Speaker 1: Osa Odigi Zuwa. By the way, this is my number one.
Speaker 1: Extend Micah and do it quickly. You can leave everything
Speaker 1: right now, exceptionally right now. Michael Parsons in his fifth
Speaker 1: year option, he said to hit the Cowboys cap for
Speaker 1: over twenty one million dollars per over the cap. If
Speaker 1: you extend Michael Parsons right now, you not only don't
Speaker 1: suffer that twenty one million dollar hit, but you get
Speaker 1: sixteen point one million dollars in savings towards your salary cap.
Speaker 1: They're going to figure out the coming see but that
Speaker 1: hopefully so because right now the Cotton Bowl, at the
Speaker 1: Cotton they're gonna they're in the sweet together at the
Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl. And Jerry said he and Michael, yes, seriously,
Speaker 1: I love it. Get the deal done overs.
Speaker 3: In Ohio state, Hey, get the deal done.
Speaker 5: Both of their schools. Everybody wants to watch Texas.
Speaker 3: It's not Arkansas and it's not Penn States.
Speaker 1: Disagree, Yeah, get the deal done over some nachos by
Speaker 1: all means. But currently the Cowboys have seventeen million dollars
Speaker 1: in available cap space that will roll over to twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five if you get another sixteen million dollars toward
Speaker 1: that by extending Michael Parsons. This is money that goes
Speaker 1: potentially goes to Osa, potentially goes to Jordan Lewis and
Speaker 1: some of the other guys that you want to retain.
Speaker 1: You have twenty two unrestricted free agents coming up, and
Speaker 1: not just not just Jags, not just the name, these
Speaker 1: are these are dogs, Okay, So you want to get
Speaker 1: that on Chauncey Ghost and being another name that comes
Speaker 1: to mind. So for me, extend Michael Parsons and get
Speaker 1: him done right now. And I love what Michael said
Speaker 1: in that he doesn't want to be in the way.
Speaker 1: Michael wants to get his deal done quickly because he
Speaker 1: wants that money to go towards helping to build the team.
Speaker 6: So let's hope his agent feels that way.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a moment here and play super duper
Speaker 3: Devil's advocate because I do not want this to happen.
Speaker 3: I want to preface this, but it has been a conversation.
Speaker 3: There was even an NFL Network report about it. Would
Speaker 3: you ever consider trading michaeh It have to.
Speaker 1: Be the herschel Walker trade. It have to be just
Speaker 1: on I want your soul, like if I if I'm
Speaker 1: trading Michael Parsons, I want your soul. And if if
Speaker 1: that's if that's a non starter for you, don't even
Speaker 1: call it. Don't even call me.
Speaker 3: So just play play along here. What would it take?
Speaker 1: What would be what would have to the starter conversation
Speaker 1: is two first round picks. Okay, So that's that starts.
Speaker 3: That's not the end.
Speaker 1: That's not the end, okay, because you're gonna throw in
Speaker 1: maybe another mid rounder and probably a player of my
Speaker 1: picks within reason.
Speaker 3: So okay, So you said no very quickly? Are you
Speaker 3: completely out?
Speaker 5: Look a look at look at what happened to this
Speaker 5: defense when he came back.
Speaker 1: Oh, I agree. That's why I said, I want your
Speaker 1: soul wants us to play along.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to. I'm trying to play Devil's advocates. I'm
Speaker 5: not playing at all.
Speaker 3: That's not fair.
Speaker 6: You can't three ones and Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3: We'll see. There's nobody with multiple ones this year, at
Speaker 3: least at the moment.
Speaker 1: So, I mean, I want your soul, but Cal wants
Speaker 1: me to play along. If I'm to play along, that's
Speaker 1: my price. But I'm not playing along in real life.
Speaker 3: So yeah, No, Let's say I'm trying to think. I
Speaker 3: don't even know who would who would have Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 3: Let's say Jacksonville. Jacksonville is trying to make a statement.
Speaker 3: They've already got one edg Rusher and Walker on the
Speaker 3: outside that they feel really confident in. They've got a quarterback.
Speaker 3: They don't have to have their fifth overall draft pick
Speaker 3: this year. Jacksonville comes, they offer you five this year,
Speaker 3: they offer you two future first round picks.
Speaker 5: Would you do it?
Speaker 3: Would you think about it? That's three first round picks
Speaker 3: and the top five for sure this year, and you
Speaker 3: can't current you get to keep twelve too, where you
Speaker 3: picked Micah back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: Okay, my answer is still no, but I haven't hung
Speaker 1: up the phone yet either.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about those three first and we'll throw REI
Speaker 3: who's their top received? I don't even know, so no,
Speaker 3: I'm there, Okay, second receiver, they're not trading him Christian Kirk.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they throw in Christian Kirk to a veteran receiver
Speaker 3: that you could possibly use.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, I don't like this game anymore.
Speaker 3: I agree. I don't want to just extend him.
Speaker 1: Get the money, use the money in and let's cook.
Speaker 3: Where's your priority, Tommy.
Speaker 5: I think they'd have a good draft when they When
Speaker 5: I look back at this past year draft, there's some
Speaker 5: good picks there. Cooper BB had a fantastic season. I
Speaker 5: like what Marshaw Neeland did when healthy. Marys Lee if
Speaker 5: has got a really bright future. Still unclear of what
Speaker 5: Tyler Guidon looks like. Yes, still very unclear on what
Speaker 5: that looks like. I'd like to see him get a
Speaker 5: full training camp in, be fully healthy, and it might
Speaker 5: be you know, shuffling him around and seeing if maybe
Speaker 5: there's a spot replays better. Bottom line is, I'm a
Speaker 5: believer in that you put your best five out there, yes,
Speaker 5: regardless of you can't be too strict and assigning certain spots.
Speaker 5: You got to have your best five out there. So
Speaker 5: I'm looking at a better draft this time around and
Speaker 5: seeing if not to again not to say that this
Speaker 5: past draft was something you just completely dump away It's
Speaker 5: only been one season, and you know, Ryan Flinoy, Nathan Thomas,
Speaker 5: Justin Rogers, still Kaylin Carson even still have time around
Speaker 5: to develop. He is back, still have time to prove something.
Speaker 5: But after these rookie seasons, you know, only three of
Speaker 5: your picks really standing out. I think you got to
Speaker 5: be better this time, and all with some level of
Speaker 5: question mark exactly exactly, which is typical for for for
Speaker 5: rookie Harry typical. Again, don't don't take this as me
Speaker 5: being overly critical, but I think you got to be
Speaker 5: much stronger.
Speaker 3: This time, by the way, Marshaw naland scout pick and
Speaker 3: Marris leaf out scout pick. So keep that in mind.
Speaker 1: We all have that conversation for the twenty twenty three
Speaker 1: draft class. What was that the twenty twenty three draft class.
Speaker 1: I'm interested, not now, but down the road scout picks
Speaker 1: his coaching pigs because I class did. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can talk about that all right, more draft
Speaker 3: talk next, right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, day tune. We've got
Speaker 3: the Draft Show. First episode will be out if you're
Speaker 3: listening to this in post, it'll probably already be out
Speaker 3: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But we're going to the
Speaker 3: Draft Show. Tommy Yursh is going to be on the
Speaker 3: Draft Show this year, maybe looking forward to it. Man,
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Speaker 3: Zach Wolschew, Bobby Belt, We've got the It's basically the
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