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Speaker 3: This He's Talking Cowboys, springing live.

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Speaker 5: At the Star in Frisco.

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Speaker 1: Now your hosts Isaiah Standback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and

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Speaker 1: Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 3: It's an off season edition of Talking Cowboys, presented by

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Speaker 3: Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco,

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Speaker 3: Texas in the SWBC studios. Welcome in, everybody, as we

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Speaker 3: are ready to attack this twenty twenty five off season

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Speaker 3: with a head, a heavy heart, and with a little

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Speaker 3: extra I don't even know, maybe a little extra juice,

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Speaker 3: because it's gonna be an interesting off season to say

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Speaker 3: the least. We've got Patrick Noci Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tommy

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Speaker 3: Yarrish with Chris Bean in the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be yeah, buckle up, here we go. That's

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Speaker 3: buckle up, buttercup. Yeah, I mean, this is gonna be

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Speaker 3: a an off season that is not for the faint

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Speaker 3: of heart. Cowboys have relatively zero cap room and don't

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Speaker 3: seem super happy about their options of finagling that cap room.

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Speaker 5: And oh and by the way, they've got to make.

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Speaker 3: A decision on their head coach moving forward.

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Speaker 5: So lots to talk about. Yeah, a little bit on

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Speaker 5: the docket there.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, how's everybody doing.

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Speaker 1: Everybody great? Great?

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Speaker 3: Had some little chili coming in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that hawk has arrived, dude low bringing

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Speaker 1: is bringing carry on luggage. This this is coming weekend.

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Speaker 3: What man, that one's on, Tommy.

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Speaker 5: Is it is crispy as a Northerner, it is very cold.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're from Chicago, Yeah, one of the bears.

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Speaker 5: We'll talk about that a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Twenty one degrees is twenty one degrees no matter where

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Speaker 1: you are. The other thing I would say, is that

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Speaker 1: different for in Chicago because win But we talked about

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Speaker 5: In that was very like yeah, yeah, and the snow

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Speaker 5: that's about to hit two is very We're expected to

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Speaker 5: get seven inches of I've seen.

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Speaker 6: Very I've seen one to four seven.

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Speaker 1: I saw graphic of eight to twelve.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, that was over like a couple of days. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that that graphic up at the top. It's like over

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Speaker 5: But still either believe the one I see it is

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Speaker 5: how I'm kind of seeing it because because there, because

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Speaker 5: you're from Chicago. No no, no, no, no no, no,

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Speaker 5: no no no. I'm not trying to not trying to

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Speaker 5: upset mother nature. I'm just saying there have been many

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Speaker 5: a time in this lone star state where you know,

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Speaker 5: the weizer experts say hey, it's gonna snow x y

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Speaker 3: Regardless.

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Speaker 5: Everybody stay safe when you're driving, you're careful of good

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Speaker 5: and please don't get hurt.

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Speaker 3: Meteorologist Tommy Ash talking.

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Speaker 6: To you, have a meteorol see you doing it.

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Speaker 3: We gotta get you to screen.

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Speaker 5: We gotta get you to stop wearing button ups.

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Speaker 1: To talking cowboys.

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Speaker 5: That's the next step that direction.

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Speaker 3: Everybody looks very yeah, okay, well this very cowboys.

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Speaker 1: We need.

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Speaker 3: We got to get fast and loose in there. You

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Speaker 3: got your butt up. Don't listen to that thank you

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Speaker 3: say with your chest.

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Speaker 1: When when you're here with it.

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Speaker 3: Man, you got one guy on one side of the

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Speaker 6: If anything, just undo one of them, you know what

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Speaker 6: I mean, give us a little more neck you know,

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Speaker 6: I'm saying.

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Speaker 5: Got an undershirt.

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Speaker 6: He's got the chain on them. Kids watching, I'm just saying, dude,

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Speaker 3: Just think what does the chain have a number on it?

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Speaker 5: It does, it's a numbers. It's twenty eight for my

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Speaker 3: That's a supporting boyfriend right now.

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Speaker 1: I love bit.

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Speaker 3: We're going to talk about that after the show.

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Speaker 3: Cowboys fall in their final game of the regular season.

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Speaker 3: Nineteen vote for Darren Woodson, please do so.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that's why you wear the necklace. You're trying to

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Speaker 3: get exact into canton uh reaction from Washington h Cowboys

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Speaker 3: fall twenty three to nineteen in the final seconds of

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season. It was a bummer way

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Speaker 3: to end it. I don't think there's a whole lot

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Speaker 3: of people that were upset about it. At the end

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Speaker 3: of the day, it was a game going into it.

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Speaker 3: We all talked about it. It was a chance to evaluate,

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Speaker 3: got to see Trey Lance quite a bit, got to

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Speaker 3: the second half, and honestly, you played really well against

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Speaker 1: Loss, well, first and foremost, I think that Mike Zimmer

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Speaker 3: To tell he was trying to yeah, oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: he had a vendetta.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, it was trying to make something happen so interesting there.

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Speaker 1: As far as if you're going to bring zimber bag,

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Speaker 1: But I'm going to circle to Trey Lance. Finally we

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Speaker 1: a full game to evaluate Trey Lance. I've been standing

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Speaker 1: here pleading for months now to see it. What never said?

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Speaker 3: I know, man burn all.

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Speaker 1: The receipts, I saw good and I saw bad from

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Speaker 1: Trey Lance, which was expected. I didn't expect that he

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Speaker 1: to the tune of forty one points.

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Speaker 6: Josh, Hey, you know, but I would have liked if

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Speaker 6: those were touchdowns instead of field goals. Been a little

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Speaker 1: Baby puts it in when you have gold to go

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Speaker 1: on more than just one occasion out of the several.

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Speaker 6: Chances you got into the red zone quite a few times.

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Speaker 1: Did he used his legs, which we knew was going

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Speaker 1: He had some good accuracy, some anticipation some of those throws.

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Speaker 1: But in the second half, when he was tasked with

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Speaker 1: which is that's what he's been struggling with. And I've

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Speaker 1: been saying that since training camp. We've talked about it

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Speaker 1: since training camp when it comes to those those fades,

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Speaker 1: which is why I couldn't understand why the Cowboys kept

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Speaker 3: Mean, I know it was just a mistake, but the

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Speaker 5: I felt so bad.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, but you know what helps, Yeah, it's true, man, yea,

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Speaker 1: So come on, t I mean, was it perfect. Absolutely not.

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Speaker 1: We didn't expect that it would be, but he did

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Speaker 1: so he would have to want to come back. But

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Speaker 3: That that second point is very important.

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Speaker 1: Reasonable price, reasonable price, Yeah, of course, very very true.

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Speaker 3: I think I'm there too. The timing was one of

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Speaker 3: It's anytime you've got a finesse. He doesn't have that

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Speaker 6: But I will say Jonathan Mingo had his best game

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Speaker 1: What do you know? What do you know?

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Speaker 5: What happens when you get a good pass?

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Speaker 6: More than one exactly?

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Speaker 3: And I've interpret some things.

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Speaker 6: To me, it felt like Trey Lance had more juice,

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Speaker 6: I mean overall than what Kooper Rush was bringing you. Granted,

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Speaker 6: you're getting more of a conservative I don't want to

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Speaker 6: say bus driver flippantly, but that's kind of what you

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Speaker 6: it several times where you're not seeing the zip on

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Speaker 6: would have killed to have seen that develop over several

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Speaker 6: games versus one single game. However, if you're Trey Lance,

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Speaker 6: do you in the now where we're talking free agency? Right,

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Speaker 6: if you are Trey Lance, do you not feel like

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Speaker 6: you might have a better shot staying here at QB

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Speaker 6: two then restarting with a brand new coaching staff. I mean, well,

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Speaker 6: I don't know, starting over, I know, right, and maybe

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Speaker 1: Build on this man to answer your question, and I'll

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Speaker 1: throw it to tell me. If I'm Trey Lance, I'm

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Speaker 1: going really for a couple of reasons. One, if I

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Speaker 1: finally gave me the start in week eighteen. However, why

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Speaker 5: I don't think so, and I don't think he put

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Speaker 5: there were some instances where he had running room in

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Speaker 1: As psych he took him the second half.

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Speaker 5: I don't know if it's here, because I think Cooper

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Speaker 1: That Cooper Rush point. Cooper Rush has already felt what

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Speaker 1: He's extremely comfortable here, even if there's a change of

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Speaker 1: So there's there's elements to really trying to prove that

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Speaker 3: Started a long time ago. I agree, trust me.

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Speaker 3: You go back on film, there was the sact that

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Speaker 3: If you could take the entirety of Trey Lance's NFL career,

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Speaker 3: it into one play, it would be that Rico Doubtle play, athleticism, talent, vision,

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Speaker 1: He's shown he's worth further development. Yes, as a player.

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Speaker 1: If I'm Trey Lance, I just got to feel like

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Speaker 3: Maybe a better price too.

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Speaker 6: And you're taking away one of the reasons you have

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Speaker 3: The reason he was the second most impressive quarterback in

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Speaker 6: Don't get me wrong, he was definitely playing.

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Speaker 1: The yeah, that's what you can do with Trey Lance

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Speaker 3: All right, let's take our first break when we come back.

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Speaker 3: Trey Lance is not the only decision that the Cowboys

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Speaker 5: Now, yeah, make a decision.

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Speaker 6: Is what January sixth and they're deciding to invade our building?

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Speaker 5: I don't know, n goes the star Baby. Is that

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Speaker 5: the first time that's happened.

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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 3: There's not any other time that that could but the Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what they did. They sent an insurrection of sorts.

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Speaker 1: If you will.

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Speaker 3: Trying to talk to our head guy for sure.

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Speaker 6: Uh, I don't even know where.

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Speaker 1: To go for me.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why.

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Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if the Cowboys use this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this window of exclusivity to try to hammer out a deal.

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Speaker 1: If they decided they're going.

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Speaker 3: To keep away, they accept it, right.

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Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't say so, because if you're even considering

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Speaker 1: keeping him around, you you use this window in your

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Speaker 1: him for me? No, no, no, you wait until Jamiary fourteen.

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Speaker 1: Let us have our conversation. I know you do, because

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Speaker 1: he a decision made.

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Speaker 3: Like yes, yesterday or last week or already.

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Speaker 6: And I'm with you, and he's on record saying that

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Speaker 6: would have happened last week.

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Speaker 1: But I would say, and we've said this on this

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Speaker 1: for as much as the Cowboys need to decide on

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Speaker 1: miche McCarthy, Mike McCarthy needs to decide on the Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: This is not a Jason Garrett situation. This is not

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Speaker 1: Jason Garrett situation where there was no interest from it.

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Speaker 1: Any other other third said that as far as the

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Speaker 1: head coaching position is concerned, this is different. Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: has actual value. He's coming. He re established a culture

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Speaker 1: with the Cowboys. Playoff clature didn't get reestablished fair enough,

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Speaker 1: I agree, But three twelve and five seasons becomes one

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Speaker 1: of the winningest coaches in Cowboys franchise history. He has

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl ring shining on his finger. He's shown

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Speaker 1: that he can hit the reset button for your franchise,

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Speaker 1: whatever your franchise might be. That's going to be very

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Speaker 1: intriguing for teams like Jacksonville, New Orleans and the Chicago Bears.

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Speaker 1: And it just makes sense for me. The New Orleans Saints.

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Speaker 1: He has history there, He's a former oc there. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I don't know that he would deal with what's going

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Speaker 1: on in Jacksonville because Trent balk is still out there

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Speaker 1: and that's just a toxic situation. But the Bears intrigued me,

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Speaker 1: and that's why that was the lead horse for a

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Speaker 1: team that would come after McCarthy in my eyes that

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Speaker 1: I said a few weeks ago. Number one, it puts

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Speaker 1: him a geographically closer to home. His family is still

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Speaker 1: in green Bay still, right. Point Number two is that

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Speaker 1: we all know how his time in Green Bay ended.

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Speaker 1: This would give him an opportunity to play against the

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Speaker 1: Bears twice a year for the next several years. Right

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Speaker 1: and then I had a court a thought. I think

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Speaker 1: I said it to you, Temmy, I said it to

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Speaker 1: someone if in fact the Mikes are a package deal,

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy and Mike Zimmer To that same point, Mike

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Speaker 1: Zimmer would be going back to the NFC North and

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Speaker 1: he would get to exercise a vendetta against the Minnesota

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Speaker 1: Vikings for multiple times a year for the next years.

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Speaker 1: So it's a very intriguing standpoint. I want to get

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Speaker 1: the take of the Chicago native. What what what's the

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Speaker 1: temperature of your home city as far as possibly bringing

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Speaker 1: McCarthy in.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's cold. Here's the thing when I look at this,

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Speaker 5: a couple things. First of all, the Bears have requested

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Speaker 5: twelve head coaching yes, right now. Yeah, this is a

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Speaker 5: wide net.

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Speaker 3: I've got a list. If you want me to listen,

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Speaker 3: they're turning over everyone.

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Speaker 1: Actually, I would love for you to listen.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So these are the other interviews that the Bears

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Speaker 3: have requested. Brian Flores Vikings defensive coordinator, Aaron Glenn Lions

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Speaker 3: defensive coordinator that has been accepted, Ben Johnson, offensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: for the Lions, Mike Kafka, Giants OC Mike McCarthy, Cowboys

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Speaker 3: head coach Todd Monkin, Raven's offensive coordinator Drew Petsig, Cardinals

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Speaker 3: OC David Shaw, former Stanford head coach and current Broncos

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Speaker 3: executive Arthur Smith, Steelers offensive coordinator Anthony Weaver, Dolphins defensive

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Speaker 3: coordinator Mike Vrabel, former Titans head coach.

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Speaker 5: That one has also been scheduled. Yeah, so I think

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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson's probably the leader in the clubhouse there. When

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Speaker 5: when I look at this situation, I understand why the

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Speaker 5: Cowboys right now aren't letting, aren't accepting that because he's

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Speaker 5: you know, he's still under that period until the fourteenth.

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Speaker 5: I think they'd be doing Mike McCarthy a massive disservice

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Speaker 5: if they were to go through this next seven days

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Speaker 5: and not have any intention of bringing him back. I'm

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Speaker 5: not saying that's what's happening. I'm just saying that's something

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Speaker 5: to keep an eye on. So the fact that nothing

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Speaker 5: has agree more time, the fact that nothing has been accepted,

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Speaker 5: tells me at least that there's interest in retaining Mike

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Speaker 5: McCarthy's head coach. So the other part of this is

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Speaker 5: when you look at the fit in Chicago, my thing is,

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Speaker 5: are the Bears going to be willing to bring somebody

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Speaker 5: who frankly owned them for a majority of a decade

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Speaker 5: plus to try and turn this frand to try to

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Speaker 5: turn the franchise around. I think Mike McCarthy would be

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Speaker 5: a good fit in Chicago because he's he's got a

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Speaker 5: track record of developing quarterbacks. Kali Williams call a guy

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Speaker 5: and right, he's gotten comparisons to Aaron Rodgers. He's said

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Speaker 5: he's idolized Aaron Rodgers and how he tries to play

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Speaker 5: the game. So that's there, But I'm not so sure

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Speaker 5: that Mike McCarthy is very high on the list of

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Speaker 5: candidates for them at this point in time, because when

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Speaker 5: you think about the Bears in the past too, they've

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Speaker 5: always been a defense heavy franchise. That's been their bread

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Speaker 5: and butter. They want to play good defense and they

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Speaker 5: want to run the football.

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Speaker 3: How does that work for them since it hasn't worked

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Speaker 3: well at all?

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Speaker 5: You know, Like I said, I think Ben Johnson's the

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Speaker 5: leader in the clubhouse, but they're also just casting a

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Speaker 5: wide net. So it doesn't shock me at all that

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Speaker 5: McCarthy's on that list. And I'm sure there will be

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Speaker 5: other teams that throw their hat in the Mike McCarthy circle,

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Speaker 5: But at least from right now, with nothing at all

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Speaker 5: being said about we've granted Mike McCarthy the permission to

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Speaker 5: do this interview. That tells me that there's interest in

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Speaker 5: bringing him back.

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Speaker 6: It just sounds like they're turning over every rock, which

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Speaker 6: is what they should do when you're in that position

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Speaker 6: of need, when you're in position of trying to rebrand

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Speaker 6: the identity of your team. Possibly, I think that's a

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Speaker 6: great way to go about it. But you said, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, Mike McCarthy basically owned Chicago Bears for a

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Speaker 6: good time whenever he was with the Packers. The Cowboys

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Speaker 6: were in a similar situation too.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he won a.

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl here h and Aaron Rodgers and the Packers

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Speaker 6: did a lot of the unkind things to the Dallas

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Speaker 6: Cowboys with Mike McCarthy as coach. So we were sort

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Speaker 6: of in a situation where we're like, Okay, if you

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Speaker 6: can't beat them, get them, Yeah, yeah, bring them on,

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Speaker 6: bring them on. But then again, you have to consider

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Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy's record against the Packers since leaving the Packers

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Speaker 6: has not been great. Man, He's not performed very well,

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Speaker 6: especially a certain wild card game from last season.

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Speaker 5: I want to talk about this, stop it and you

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Speaker 5: can make an argument that the NFC and NORSE is

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Speaker 5: the toughest division.

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Speaker 3: Yes right now, now, yes see, But that's you got

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Speaker 3: to keep that in mind too. In a different way, thing,

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Speaker 3: Ebb and flow in the NFL all the time right now,

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Speaker 3: right this second, the Vikings, the Lions and the Packers

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Speaker 3: are just all juggernauts, and they're beating up on each other,

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Speaker 3: and they're beating up on the Bears and they're beating

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Speaker 3: up on all the other teams in the NFC. But

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Speaker 3: within four to five years, when you've got a fully

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Speaker 3: developed Caleb Williams, you've got a fresh roster of young

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Speaker 3: talent and guys that you can go get. They have

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Speaker 3: some salary crap cap room to keep that in mind,

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Speaker 3: Cowboys salary, that's what it is in Dallas right now.

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Speaker 1: But that's.

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Speaker 3: So the fact that Mike has already been told by

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Speaker 3: everybody else, we don't have money to spend this offseason,

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Speaker 3: which is true. They are strapped in terms of the

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Speaker 3: salary cap. When you get to the salary cap in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: it's not nearly as bad. It's not perfect either, it's

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Speaker 3: about halfway, but you've got some room to move. You've

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Speaker 3: got a young quarterback and at some point you will

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Speaker 3: be that juggernaut.

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Speaker 1: But you know they don't have in Chicago. You don't

659
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Speaker 1: have a an established all pro quarterback which some years

660
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Speaker 1: left not yet but not yet that he's built to

661
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Speaker 1: Kyle Yoman's always say it hasn't happened.

662
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Speaker 3: It hasn't happened, but he's built two of them. You

663
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Speaker 3: got to give him credit. He built dac first got

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Speaker 3: into an All Pro fair and he helped build h Aaron.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean they have it.

666
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Speaker 3: Who's there, Michael Parsons, Eric Keenan Allen, who's the on

667
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Speaker 3: over show?

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Speaker 1: I mean they have they have a couple of pieces.

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Speaker 1: So now, and what we're doing is, yeah, so we're

670
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Speaker 1: doing it from a POV from McCarthy right now, folks,

671
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Speaker 1: is what we're saying right now. So if you're McCarthy, yeah,

672
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Speaker 1: these are some things that you're waning. And I'm not

673
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Speaker 1: saying that he would wave off Chicago because they don't

674
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Speaker 1: have as many of the cornerstone pieces as the Cowboys have.

675
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Speaker 1: But it is a rightful conversation for a guy who

676
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Speaker 1: has so many years in the league, and you have

677
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Speaker 1: to start wondering at this point, this is fair wonder

678
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Speaker 1: how many more years McCarthy wants to coach in the league.

679
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Speaker 1: Right So maybe he feels like he and this is

680
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Speaker 1: just speculative, maybe he feels like he doesn't want to

681
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Speaker 1: do a hard reset with a particular team or any

682
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Speaker 1: particular team. So these are all things that McCarthy is

683
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Speaker 1: going to mole in his head, is what I'm.

684
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Speaker 3: Saying, and he goes back to what Tommy said, that's

685
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Speaker 3: this is all speculative.

686
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Speaker 1: If he's even the choice in Chicago, Ben Johnson and

687
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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn, that's one A and one B on anyone's

688
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: list who's looking for him for sure, and then the

689
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Speaker 1: rest includes McCarthy is like in the group of the conversation,

690
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Speaker 1: Tier B, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 5: I think Mike still got a lot left in the tank,

692
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Speaker 5: and I think he takes pride in being a builder.

693
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Speaker 5: He talked about that postgame after Washington. He really enjoys

694
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Speaker 5: building a program from the ground up. You could argue

695
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Speaker 5: he did that in Green Bay. Obviously, they're one of

696
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Speaker 5: the historic franchises in the NFL. The Bears are too.

697
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Speaker 5: The issue with the Bears is they've whiffed on their

698
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Speaker 5: head coaching hires, they've whiffed on their general manager hires,

699
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Speaker 5: and it's just kind of been a mess. There's never

700
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Speaker 5: been alignment, I don't think in Chicago, and some of

701
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Speaker 5: the draft choices that they've made, like this past year,

702
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 5: taking you know, Rama Donze instead of maybe there's an

703
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 5: offensive a lignement on the board who could have helped

704
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Speaker 5: you out there. They have the worst offensive line in

705
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Speaker 5: the NFL this year, maybe one of the worst offensive

706
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Speaker 5: lines time. I mean, it was just terrible to watch

707
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Speaker 5: the Caleb Williams was one of, if not the most

708
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Speaker 5: sacked quarterbacks in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: He was the most.

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Speaker 6: I think it was a record to Aaron Rodgers.

711
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Speaker 1: I think was was he.

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Speaker 6: I think he was the most sack.

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Speaker 5: Of the Regardless regardless of the case, they've got to

714
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Speaker 5: draft better, there's got to be alignment. It doesn't they

715
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Speaker 5: just have to hit this head coaching higher or else.

716
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Speaker 5: It's just going to be the same sort of cycle

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Speaker 5: that they've gotten themselves into, where you know, you've got

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Speaker 5: your quarterback who is dealing with a new head coach

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Speaker 5: every two years. He's dealing with a new GM every year,

720
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Speaker 5: and that's just, you know, not sustainable for an NFL.

721
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Speaker 3: Williams was sacked sixteen more times than any other quarterback

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Speaker 3: this year. So you're thinking all time, all time.

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Speaker 1: Yes, now we're plv in from Chicago. If I'm Chicago,

724
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Speaker 1: I'd love how they're handling it. As far as due

725
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: diligence cast a wide knit, that's just the wise thing

726
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Speaker 1: to do. But the possibility of having a chance to

727
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 1: cripple the Detroit Lions by pulling away either Aaron Glenn

728
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: or Ben Johnson. Blank you blank checked that. Yeah, you

729
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: just slapped Ben Johnson.

730
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Speaker 5: A blank checking Johnson should get over and you know

731
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Speaker 5: they've got the personnel I think in Detroit and Johnson done,

732
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Speaker 5: what has he done?

733
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Speaker 1: What is he doing?

734
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 5: Scoring forty?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I think Ben Jonson, he plays that look really impactful.

736
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Speaker 5: I think, well, I think part of the reason for

737
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Speaker 5: Ben Johnson's success too is the personnel that he's got.

738
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Speaker 5: But that is credit to to him. The way Detroit

739
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Speaker 5: has built their roster through the draft and through free agency.

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Speaker 3: He turned him on the Saint Brown, a fourth round

741
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Speaker 3: pick into one of the top five or six receivers

742
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Speaker 3: in the NFL.

743
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Speaker 5: But that's what happens when you've got alignment from the

744
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 5: top down. And so that's what you need for really

745
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 5: for any NFL franchise, you're owner, general manager, and head

746
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 5: coaching to all be on the same page and I'll

747
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 5: be moving forward together when it comes to personnel, coaching,

748
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 5: hires and things of that.

749
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 3: And I could hear so many killboys fans right now.

750
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: Allow me to megaphone what fans think you're saying that,

751
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: do you feel that's the situation here in Dallas right now?

752
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 1: Right now they're in alignment.

753
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 5: If they bring Michae McCarthy back, that shows me that

754
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 5: there is alignment. Yes, that there is alment sense of

755
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,840
Speaker 5: I believe in what you're doing. I believe in what

756
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,360
Speaker 5: your scheme looks like. I believe in what your personnel

757
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:39,239
Speaker 5: decisions look like. That that would be my proof of

758
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 5: there's a line, because you'd be going on to year

759
00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: with six or year year six of the same program,

760
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 5: the same way of doing things, and for a majority

761
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:49,400
Speaker 5: of the same personnel.

762
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Speaker 1: I think for the most part they have been in alignment,

763
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: which is why they were twelve and five, twelve and

764
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: five twelve five exactly align. I think what this season

765
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,959
Speaker 1: did was expose the the part that was misaligned, which

766
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: is personnel decessions right depth. Jerry Jones himself, who does

767
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: a lot of spaghetti talking right, was very definitive when

768
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: asked after the game after the finale if he regrets

769
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: the personnel decisions not giving Mike McCarthy the roster that

770
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Speaker 1: he feels Mike because should have had. He said yes,

771
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,399
Speaker 1: he said that's fair. So when you hear the owner

772
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: and general manager admitting that the personnel decisions could have

773
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: been better. Maybe they could have attacked free agency a

774
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:30,399
Speaker 1: little bit better, Maybe they could have done this, could

775
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: have done that. I think that's the misalignment. So when

776
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 1: I pose the question for the fans of is it

777
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 1: like Detroit or can it be like Detroit where there's

778
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: this straight line going down with no wiggle room Right now,

779
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: there's too much wiggle room in that one capacity. I think,

780
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:49,440
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for? I think culturally, I

781
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,360
Speaker 1: think strategically, I think they're all on the same page,

782
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: and they're on the same direction and they're moving in lockstep.

783
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: But there's that disconnect with personnel as far as who

784
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy would want to see added to the team

785
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: versus who is not added to the team, and then

786
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 1: who's added to the team instead of who Mike McCarthy

787
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: might want added to the team.

788
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 6: And if they aren't aligned, they will be much aligned.

789
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: But you can how long did you sit on that?

790
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 5: You're sitting on it for a while. To wrap up

791
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 5: that point, you can fix that this offseason, Yes you can,

792
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 5: you definitely.

793
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Can, But that's that's that's a promisory note. Yeah, well,

794
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,760
Speaker 1: because that's what you would be signing for Mike McCarthy.

795
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: So if McCarthy decides if you want him back, and

796
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: he decides to come back, he's basically asking you to

797
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 1: sign a promisory note saying, when free agency and the

798
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 1: draft arrive, this is what this is what I want.

799
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 1: Give me what I want, Bautista, give me what I want.

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Speaker 5: So that's that's when he gets what he wants.

801
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: And maybe and even though the five seasons, maybe if

802
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: he got I there's come on, I come on, I

803
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: want to show this week.

804
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 3: I want Will McClay to get what he wants. In

805
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 3: terms of the draft person the draft, I could care

806
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 3: less what Mike McCarthy wants from a player personnel standpoint,

807
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 3: as long as he's able to coach him and get

808
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:13,160
Speaker 3: him ready to go. There's been too much I think

809
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 3: over the last two years coach intervention in the draft process.

810
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:19,359
Speaker 3: But don't talk about that on the draft shows. At

811
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 3: some point down the line, like balance wise, totally fine. Yeah,

812
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: there's Draft eleven. I want if if you're bringing Will

813
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 3: McClay back, and you're bringing him back for the long

814
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: haul and Mike McCarthy's back, that's fine. I've already been

815
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 3: on record to say it would be a mistake to

816
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 3: get rid of Mike McCarthy. I stand by that right now.

817
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 3: I don't think he should have the same say that

818
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: he's had the last couple of years in terms of

819
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: the draft process. Fair enough, that's where I record.

820
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Speaker 5: So I think I get.

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Speaker 1: Speaking balance because here's what balance. I get what balance

822
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Speaker 1: gets you a safety position being revamped because of a

823
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: guy like Dan Quinn. Sure, dan Quinn came in. Before

824
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: dan Quinn, Cowboys couldn't get it at safety. Dan Quinn

825
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 1: comes in, he gets them to reevaluate the imports of

826
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Speaker 1: the safety position. That's what being in alignment compromise looks like.

827
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: When you don't compromise and it's just only giving the

828
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: scouts what they want and the coaches can't gel with

829
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 1: that personnel, you have a problem. And vice versa. Can

830
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: give the coaches everything they want, but the scouts aren't

831
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Speaker 1: really lought in.

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Speaker 6: But then you'll see a lot of what Mike McCarthy's

833
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Speaker 6: done where it's like I don't know what to do

834
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Speaker 6: with this guy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, inactive Trey Lance, see, but I mean ceedee lamb

836
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Speaker 3: was that was a scout pick that Ceedee Lamb was

837
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Speaker 3: a Scout pick. Michael Parsons was a Scout pick. Marvin

838
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Speaker 3: Overshown was a win and a scout let them pick.

839
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Speaker 3: There have been some other picks that haven't happened. Mike

840
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 3: McCarthy wanted to run twelve personnel. That's why you have

841
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,920
Speaker 3: Luke Schoomaker in the second round, plain and simple. They

842
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 3: wanted some of those other guys that are above them.

843
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 3: You have Luke Schoomaker because Mike McCarthy wanted Luke Schoomaker.

844
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Speaker 3: At that point, you've got all these other picks along

845
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 3: the way. Trey Smith scout pick that was not a

846
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy pick. That was a scout pick.

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Speaker 1: Fair enough.

848
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of those things that in the past.

849
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Speaker 3: I love Mike McCarthy in terms of what he can

850
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Speaker 3: bring and make and mold out of what he's given

851
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 3: in terms of a football team. We saw that down

852
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Speaker 3: the stretch of last year and that's where my respect

853
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 3: lines with Mike McCarthy. However, I'm reluctant to give him

854
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: the keys to the entire busy. And that's what I

855
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Speaker 3: was just.

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Speaker 6: Like, we're talking about this entire show alignment.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the middle.

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Speaker 5: Everybody, Okay, all right, let's move on.

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Speaker 3: One more, one more break, one more segment here on

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Speaker 3: this week of Talking Cowboys. When we come back, what

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Speaker 3: are the priorities for the Cowboys this offseason? Where do

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Speaker 3: we start in this long journey that we have ahead.

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Speaker 3: this one and only weekly edition of Talking cal.

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Speaker 6: Like do you we get to Yeah? Yeah, we fit

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Speaker 6: it all in one episode.

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Speaker 1: It with your chest, you know, yeah, we do get

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Speaker 1: the cram it all into. But then we got a

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Speaker 1: wait forty fire week.

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Speaker 6: Forty five minutes snapshot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not forty five minutes, don't We're now.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, forty five minutes.

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Speaker 1: You kidding me?

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Speaker 3: I mean the next show that we're on has me

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Speaker 3: and Tommy on it, so I guess we're just hurting

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Speaker 3: ourselves at that point. All right, Uh? Priority the Wolves? Yes, Cowboys?

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Speaker 1: Wait, baby, what's your.

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Speaker 3: Priority this offseason? What's the first domino that needs to fall?

928
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Speaker 3: And I'm not talking about coach or locol McClay, so

929
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Speaker 3: wipe those off the board. We've talked about those enough.

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Speaker 3: What's the ones thing outside of front office and or

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Speaker 3: coaching moves that needs to happen?

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Speaker 6: Retain George Lewis resigned Geordan Lewis as soon aceptually to steal,

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Speaker 6: to steal a phrase from my buddy Patrick here. To me,

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Speaker 6: Jordan Lewis is one of the beating hearts of your defense.

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Speaker 6: You don't have de Marvin overshown for the foreseeable future,

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Speaker 6: not until late twenty five, according to the Marvin Overstone.

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Speaker 6: To me, Jordan Lewis is giving you everything he deserves,

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Speaker 6: the bag he deserves to be on this team. You

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Speaker 6: do not want to lose a guy like Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 6: To me, that is the guy that will truly get

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Speaker 6: you where you want it.

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Speaker 3: And that's not gonna happen until the league year right

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Speaker 3: free agency starts, because he's gonna see what.

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Speaker 6: And he deserves out there. He deserves to. But just

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Speaker 6: make him priority.

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Speaker 1: You know one way you could keep Jordan Lewis and

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Speaker 1: Osa Odigi Zuwa. By the way, this is my number one.

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Speaker 1: Extend Micah and do it quickly. You can leave everything

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Speaker 1: right now, exceptionally right now. Michael Parsons in his fifth

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Speaker 1: year option, he said to hit the Cowboys cap for

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Speaker 1: over twenty one million dollars per over the cap. If

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Speaker 1: you extend Michael Parsons right now, you not only don't

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Speaker 1: suffer that twenty one million dollar hit, but you get

954
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Speaker 1: sixteen point one million dollars in savings towards your salary cap.

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Speaker 1: They're going to figure out the coming see but that

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Speaker 1: hopefully so because right now the Cotton Bowl, at the

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Speaker 1: Cotton they're gonna they're in the sweet together at the

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Speaker 1: Cotton Bowl. And Jerry said he and Michael, yes, seriously,

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Speaker 1: I love it. Get the deal done overs.

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Speaker 3: In Ohio state, Hey, get the deal done.

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Speaker 5: Both of their schools. Everybody wants to watch Texas.

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Speaker 3: It's not Arkansas and it's not Penn States.

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Speaker 1: Disagree, Yeah, get the deal done over some nachos by

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Speaker 1: all means. But currently the Cowboys have seventeen million dollars

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Speaker 1: in available cap space that will roll over to twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five if you get another sixteen million dollars toward

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Speaker 1: that by extending Michael Parsons. This is money that goes

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Speaker 1: potentially goes to Osa, potentially goes to Jordan Lewis and

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Speaker 1: some of the other guys that you want to retain.

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Speaker 1: You have twenty two unrestricted free agents coming up, and

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Speaker 1: not just not just Jags, not just the name, these

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Speaker 1: are these are dogs, Okay, So you want to get

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Speaker 1: that on Chauncey Ghost and being another name that comes

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Speaker 1: to mind. So for me, extend Michael Parsons and get

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Speaker 1: him done right now. And I love what Michael said

976
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Speaker 1: in that he doesn't want to be in the way.

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Speaker 1: Michael wants to get his deal done quickly because he

978
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Speaker 1: wants that money to go towards helping to build the team.

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Speaker 6: So let's hope his agent feels that way.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna take a moment here and play super duper

981
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Speaker 3: Devil's advocate because I do not want this to happen.

982
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Speaker 3: I want to preface this, but it has been a conversation.

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00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: There was even an NFL Network report about it. Would

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Speaker 3: you ever consider trading michaeh It have to.

985
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Speaker 1: Be the herschel Walker trade. It have to be just

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00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 1: on I want your soul, like if I if I'm

987
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,439
Speaker 1: trading Michael Parsons, I want your soul. And if if

988
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Speaker 1: that's if that's a non starter for you, don't even

989
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Speaker 1: call it. Don't even call me.

990
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 3: So just play play along here. What would it take?

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Speaker 1: What would be what would have to the starter conversation

992
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 1: is two first round picks. Okay, So that's that starts.

993
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 3: That's not the end.

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Speaker 1: That's not the end, okay, because you're gonna throw in

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00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: maybe another mid rounder and probably a player of my

996
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Speaker 1: picks within reason.

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00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 3: So okay, So you said no very quickly? Are you

998
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: completely out?

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00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 5: Look a look at look at what happened to this

1000
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 5: defense when he came back.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I agree. That's why I said, I want your

1002
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: soul wants us to play along.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to. I'm trying to play Devil's advocates. I'm

1004
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 5: not playing at all.

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00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: That's not fair.

1006
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 6: You can't three ones and Patrick Mahomes.

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00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 3: We'll see. There's nobody with multiple ones this year, at

1008
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Speaker 3: least at the moment.

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, I want your soul, but Cal wants

1010
00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: me to play along. If I'm to play along, that's

1011
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,520
Speaker 1: my price. But I'm not playing along in real life.

1012
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: So yeah, No, Let's say I'm trying to think. I

1013
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,120
Speaker 3: don't even know who would who would have Lawrence Taylor.

1014
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: Let's say Jacksonville. Jacksonville is trying to make a statement.

1015
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 3: They've already got one edg Rusher and Walker on the

1016
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 3: outside that they feel really confident in. They've got a quarterback.

1017
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Speaker 3: They don't have to have their fifth overall draft pick

1018
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 3: this year. Jacksonville comes, they offer you five this year,

1019
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: they offer you two future first round picks.

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Speaker 5: Would you do it?

1021
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 3: Would you think about it? That's three first round picks

1022
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 3: and the top five for sure this year, and you

1023
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: can't current you get to keep twelve too, where you

1024
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 3: picked Micah back in twenty twenty one.

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00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: Okay, my answer is still no, but I haven't hung

1026
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 1: up the phone yet either.

1027
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 3: Okay, what about those three first and we'll throw REI

1028
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 3: who's their top received? I don't even know, so no,

1029
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 3: I'm there, Okay, second receiver, they're not trading him Christian Kirk.

1030
00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1031
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, they throw in Christian Kirk to a veteran receiver

1032
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 3: that you could possibly use.

1033
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 1: No, no, no, okay, I don't like this game anymore.

1034
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 3: I agree. I don't want to just extend him.

1035
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: Get the money, use the money in and let's cook.

1036
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 3: Where's your priority, Tommy.

1037
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 5: I think they'd have a good draft when they When

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00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 5: I look back at this past year draft, there's some

1039
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 5: good picks there. Cooper BB had a fantastic season. I

1040
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 5: like what Marshaw Neeland did when healthy. Marys Lee if

1041
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:12,920
Speaker 5: has got a really bright future. Still unclear of what

1042
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 5: Tyler Guidon looks like. Yes, still very unclear on what

1043
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,040
Speaker 5: that looks like. I'd like to see him get a

1044
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 5: full training camp in, be fully healthy, and it might

1045
00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 5: be you know, shuffling him around and seeing if maybe

1046
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 5: there's a spot replays better. Bottom line is, I'm a

1047
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 5: believer in that you put your best five out there, yes,

1048
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 5: regardless of you can't be too strict and assigning certain spots.

1049
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,200
Speaker 5: You got to have your best five out there. So

1050
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 5: I'm looking at a better draft this time around and

1051
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 5: seeing if not to again not to say that this

1052
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 5: past draft was something you just completely dump away It's

1053
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,800
Speaker 5: only been one season, and you know, Ryan Flinoy, Nathan Thomas,

1054
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,880
Speaker 5: Justin Rogers, still Kaylin Carson even still have time around

1055
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 5: to develop. He is back, still have time to prove something.

1056
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 5: But after these rookie seasons, you know, only three of

1057
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 5: your picks really standing out. I think you got to

1058
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 5: be better this time, and all with some level of

1059
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 5: question mark exactly exactly, which is typical for for for

1060
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:10,960
Speaker 5: rookie Harry typical. Again, don't don't take this as me

1061
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 5: being overly critical, but I think you got to be

1062
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:14,839
Speaker 5: much stronger.

1063
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 3: This time, by the way, Marshaw naland scout pick and

1064
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 3: Marris leaf out scout pick. So keep that in mind.

1065
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:24,120
Speaker 1: We all have that conversation for the twenty twenty three

1066
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: draft class. What was that the twenty twenty three draft class.

1067
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: I'm interested, not now, but down the road scout picks

1068
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: his coaching pigs because I class did. Yeah.

1069
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 3: Yeah, we can talk about that all right, more draft

1070
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 3: talk next, right, yeah, exactly, Yeah, day tune. We've got

1071
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 3: the Draft Show. First episode will be out if you're

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Speaker 3: listening to this in post, it'll probably already be out

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00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 3: on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. But we're going to the

1074
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Speaker 3: Draft Show. Tommy Yursh is going to be on the

1075
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Speaker 3: Draft Show this year, maybe looking forward to it. Man,

1076
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Speaker 3: I'm really another member of the Talking Cowboys family. Nick

1077
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Speaker 3: Harris returns. You've got Brian broad Us, You've got Foch Lombardi, god,

1078
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Speaker 3: Zach Wolschew, Bobby Belt, We've got the It's basically the

1079
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Speaker 3: Avengers of Draft Cut. It's gonna be fun, So let's

1080
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Speaker 3: get it going. We've got the Draft Show coming up.

1081
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: But that does it for us here on Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 3: presented by Black Rifle Coffee. We will be back next Tuesday.

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Speaker 3: This is our normal time Tuesday at ten am Central

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Speaker 3: Time for Patrick noc Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Tomyrish, Chris Beam

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Speaker 3: in the backup Kyle Yoman saying so long with singing

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