Speaker 1: Hell I Suck At Dating with the Ungler and Jared
Speaker 1: Haven and I Heart Radio podcast. What is going on?
Speaker 1: Sucky daters? Welcome to an all new episode of Help
Speaker 1: I Suck At Dating, a very very special episode for
Speaker 1: you guys this week. I know I said that every week,
Speaker 1: but this week I actually mean it because just like
Speaker 1: old times, Jared is gone, and since I obviously cannot
Speaker 1: handle the show all by myself, we brought him the
Speaker 1: Big Guns and Sydney Lutwaco, our favorite guest co host,
Speaker 1: is joining us live from I'm assuming Ohio. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: are still in Ohio. Were still going strong in Ohio
Speaker 1: live from Ohio. So if you guys haven't listened to
Speaker 1: Sydney's last episode, turn this one off. Put that one
Speaker 1: on because we checked in with Sydney and she was
Speaker 1: telling us all about how her and her boyfriend started
Speaker 1: living together right yes, in quarantine. So Sidney Phillison on
Speaker 1: what's going on over there? Because last time we talked
Speaker 1: to you, it was like, Hi to the pandemic, Hi
Speaker 1: to Quarantine. You were like, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: want to do this, but I'm gonna do it anyways,
Speaker 1: and thanks for going. Well, where are you guys are
Speaker 1: right now, Um, we are good. I so I moved
Speaker 1: in with him as of August of last year, so
Speaker 1: it's been a while that we've lived together, so it's
Speaker 1: officially like going smoothly. Um. What's funny is I think
Speaker 1: we met officially a year ago in March. Technically we
Speaker 1: didn't meet in person until three months later, but we
Speaker 1: had started talking in March. It's almost been a year
Speaker 1: technically if you can count that. So yeah, it's going well.
Speaker 1: We are through like the dating phase. Now we're officially
Speaker 1: living together and going through that dynamic. But it's it's
Speaker 1: been fun. I feel very adults and mature in my relationship,
Speaker 1: which is nice. It's been a good refresh. Yea. So
Speaker 1: March is the one year universary. We started talking talking
Speaker 1: at the start of the pandemic, So if you count that, yes,
Speaker 1: But when we met in person I think in May,
Speaker 1: so May, I guess would be a year. I put
Speaker 1: it on Instagram in June, so we can count that day.
Speaker 1: I put it on Instagram when it was I was
Speaker 1: going to ask you, yeah, well do you think you
Speaker 1: would have to have multiple celebrations of like the first
Speaker 1: day you guys started talking the first day you posted
Speaker 1: about it on Instagram, the first day you guys met
Speaker 1: in person, the first time you guys kissed, Like, what's
Speaker 1: the actual anniverse? I know, I'm always down for a celebration,
Speaker 1: but the only day I can specifically remember is the
Speaker 1: one from Instagram because I can scroll back through my
Speaker 1: feed and figure it out. So that might be like
Speaker 1: our celebration day. But it's funny because some people are like,
Speaker 1: I'll wait a long time to show my relationship, especially
Speaker 1: if you've been on The Bachelor or some type of
Speaker 1: dating show. People like to wait to show off their
Speaker 1: relationship just in case because it's kind of hard to
Speaker 1: do with the fan base and just people having opinions
Speaker 1: about your relationship. But I kind of, you know, just
Speaker 1: went with it and embraced it, and I was excited
Speaker 1: to share him with the world even though it was
Speaker 1: pretty new and it's been going well. Yeah, there's nothing
Speaker 1: worse than people speculate to get about a relationship, especially
Speaker 1: when that relationship is on the rocks. But it sounds
Speaker 1: like you kind of handled it well. So how are
Speaker 1: you guys doing since then? Since last time we talked then?
Speaker 1: Because um, like I said, we had talked to you
Speaker 1: guys you were living together in Ohio, which you had
Speaker 1: never lived in Ohio before. I've never been to Aio before,
Speaker 1: that's right. And you guys had just moved in and
Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you got you were like just
Speaker 1: going to go on vacation with his parents or something
Speaker 1: like that. It's like a lake. If I can't am
Speaker 1: I calling that correct correctly, You're you're calling like really
Speaker 1: key to deals with a little mixed up. But I'm
Speaker 1: very impressed. Actually, Um, yeah, so we've had holidays together.
Speaker 1: I've spent many. I was just with his family on Easter. Um,
Speaker 1: he's met my parents. We did Thanksgiving together. We already
Speaker 1: were splitting holidays, which was kind of interesting. Um, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it's been going well. It's funny with relationships. I feel
Speaker 1: like you go through like the honeymoon phase and everything's
Speaker 1: like fun and happy, and we definitely have had that.
Speaker 1: I mean it's not saying that's over anything, but once
Speaker 1: you move in and things start getting a little more
Speaker 1: serious than you start to learn like each other's ticks
Speaker 1: and and you know, how you mesh in a living situation,
Speaker 1: which always is super fun because it kind of brings
Speaker 1: out like, oh, what do I need to work on?
Speaker 1: What do I want him to work on, and like
Speaker 1: how we work together as a couple. So that's been
Speaker 1: a fun dynamic that we've been going through. But it's
Speaker 1: all been really good. Well let's talk about that. You
Speaker 1: brought it up. What are some ticks that you've learned
Speaker 1: about him or maybe vice versa, what it takes us
Speaker 1: he learned about you? That obviously no deal breakers anything that,
Speaker 1: but like what has been like maybe a big hurdle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's a fun time too, because I love
Speaker 1: growth and in general and just getting to know someone
Speaker 1: deeper and then figuring out how you can be better
Speaker 1: for them, how they can be better for you. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like ticks. He's learned that I'm not the
Speaker 1: most organized person in the world, so we're working through that.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, I would say he's actually the clean one,
Speaker 1: which I guess is not what you normally think of
Speaker 1: with a male female relationship. But he's definitely the clean one.
Speaker 1: So I'm working to be more organized. For example, I
Speaker 1: tend to leave stuff around and we have a dog
Speaker 1: that we now share together. I mean he had him first,
Speaker 1: but now he the dog is like my child. Um,
Speaker 1: so I try not to kill her on a regular
Speaker 1: basis because she will get into anything. She's an English bulldog.
Speaker 1: And just last week I had my backpack on the
Speaker 1: floor and she managed to find a random like it
Speaker 1: was like a power bar thing in my backpack and
Speaker 1: a ziploc bag and within four seconds she was in
Speaker 1: the room. She threw the zip block bag, had eaten
Speaker 1: it and was like living her best life and in
Speaker 1: four seconds. So I was like, great, I think I
Speaker 1: might have just murdered her dog because all of the
Speaker 1: ingredients in it were like very toxic do dogs, very
Speaker 1: bad for dogs. Had a little panic attack, But you know,
Speaker 1: she's fine. She's a trooper. I mean before I've had
Speaker 1: I've been in the other room and she's licked like
Speaker 1: you know spackle where you put on like a hole
Speaker 1: in the wall. She's looked through that. So yeah, she
Speaker 1: gets into some stuff and keeps me on my toes.
Speaker 1: But it's making me. It's forcing me to be more organized,
Speaker 1: which is probably a good thing where my growth and
Speaker 1: further the English bulldog that's like the big big bulldog
Speaker 1: right thick. She's a thick girl. She's like seventy pounds.
Speaker 1: She's pretty thick. Um, yeah, so she can handle a lot.
Speaker 1: But sometimes I'm like, did I murder our dog today?
Speaker 1: But so far we're doing Okay. What kind of text
Speaker 1: does Nick think? What kind of takes do you have
Speaker 1: against Nick? I think it's just interesting for me because
Speaker 1: I brought everything here, like this is his home, this
Speaker 1: was his like routine, so it's kind of bringing a
Speaker 1: new person into that. So it's just him adjusting to
Speaker 1: like having someone else in his life, which has been fun.
Speaker 1: Um so just kind of learning like, Okay, I wake
Speaker 1: up at this time. He likes to wake up at
Speaker 1: this time, and just like figuring that out. And then
Speaker 1: sometimes he likes personal space and I never like personal space,
Speaker 1: like to be on top of mind all times. So
Speaker 1: it's just like the fun little balance between those things.
Speaker 1: But nothing like negative. I think, like I said earlier,
Speaker 1: it's all growth. It's all it makes for everyone to
Speaker 1: be better people at the end of the day. As
Speaker 1: long as there's like he chooses his mouth open or
Speaker 1: leave the toilet seat up, come on, that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It is. Like I feel like if you think of
Speaker 1: like male female, I'm that person. Like I'll leave something
Speaker 1: out like I'll not take on the trash like I'm
Speaker 1: I'm the male version in this situation, so it's not
Speaker 1: doing those things like he'll always put the seat down
Speaker 1: and like we'll remember to put toilet paperbacks. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're making me look bad. Man. Um. Yeah, it sounds
Speaker 1: a lot like mine Klin relationship. But you and I
Speaker 1: are the same, and then Kaylin and Nick are the
Speaker 1: clean and organized one exactly. So how does Kalyn deal
Speaker 1: with that little dynamics? She deals with it very um patiently.
Speaker 1: I guess I could say, yeah, you have to have
Speaker 1: patience with us. Yeah, yeah, with us exactly. But you
Speaker 1: know what we lack in, like cleanliness or order, we
Speaker 1: make up for another thing. So I think it kind
Speaker 1: of has. Yeah. I feel like usually the creative types
Speaker 1: tend to be a little bit disorganized, but we are
Speaker 1: all here for the greater good. I don't know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm all gladly loote myself into the creative types, even
Speaker 1: though I don't know if that's necessarily true or not.
Speaker 1: So Okay, well, thanks, So do you guys live together now?
Speaker 1: And it's like official, Like it's not just like a
Speaker 1: it's not just like a warrantined thing anymore. Like you
Speaker 1: guys are living together right, Yeah, it's not out of
Speaker 1: like force anymore because of our situations or of choice now,
Speaker 1: which has been great. Yeah, so you're thriving in Ohio.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to I think the thing I'm trying to
Speaker 1: work on now that we're like, we're good, Like things
Speaker 1: in the relationship are going well, like we're moving along
Speaker 1: at a great pace that we both like, I'm trying
Speaker 1: to now figure out like my own life here, if
Speaker 1: that makes sense. Like I've always been of the camp
Speaker 1: of like having a relationship, having that together, but also
Speaker 1: having like my own life and things that I like
Speaker 1: to do, and things like having a community around me
Speaker 1: here because this is a new state for me, Like
Speaker 1: I don't have friends here before before, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of like making those new friends. I've started teaching here
Speaker 1: and doing things that I would do in like l
Speaker 1: A where I used to live, or New York before,
Speaker 1: So just having a similar community of people like I
Speaker 1: can go to and like, so I have like my
Speaker 1: own things, so I'm not relying on him for everything
Speaker 1: I think is important. So that's what I've been working
Speaker 1: on lately. It's tricky, especially moving somewhere new, because like
Speaker 1: Calin have been in l A for little bit, and
Speaker 1: I've been like similar to Nick being in Ohio. I've
Speaker 1: been in l A for a much longer time. So
Speaker 1: I've got like my friends, my interest, my you know,
Speaker 1: all my routines and all those things. Um and yeah,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine how tricky has to be to
Speaker 1: move somewhere else and like kind of like start life
Speaker 1: anew you know, yeah exactly, and like during a pandemic.
Speaker 1: So now things that are now things are opening. So
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna put myself out there and
Speaker 1: make some friends. I think it's important because then I
Speaker 1: can feel like fulfilled and good in myself and then
Speaker 1: when I come to him, like we're both good instead
Speaker 1: of like me being like I need you for everything,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right, So, how how has the
Speaker 1: friendmaking been going? Has it been easy out there? It's
Speaker 1: I mean, I feel like it's harder later in life
Speaker 1: to make friends quickly, just because like everyone's kind of
Speaker 1: in their own routines or you know, especially in a
Speaker 1: place like Ohio where everyone's kind of grown up together
Speaker 1: and has had some more backgrounds in that way. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I get along really well with his sister
Speaker 1: in law, so her and I are like besties, and
Speaker 1: then from there I'm like branching out. So I think
Speaker 1: the easiest way for me to build relationships is by
Speaker 1: doing things people that like the same things as me.
Speaker 1: So for me, that's teaching, like doing fitness um and
Speaker 1: a lot of people that teach our dancers. So just
Speaker 1: people that I have know how similar backgrounds has been
Speaker 1: the best way for me to do that. I feel
Speaker 1: like it's way harder for girls. I feel like it's
Speaker 1: harder for girls to make friends. Uh as an adult
Speaker 1: as well. Do you agree or disagree? I feel like
Speaker 1: it can be hard either way. But yeah, if you
Speaker 1: have like a girl group that's like strong and they've
Speaker 1: been together since high school and they're like rite or die,
Speaker 1: it's really hard for the new girl to come into that.
Speaker 1: But I'm so The reason I say that is because
Speaker 1: in my experience, I like some of my really good
Speaker 1: guy friends I've met, you know, twenty five and older
Speaker 1: and even in the past like a year or two,
Speaker 1: and I think guys are just so simple. We're like, oh,
Speaker 1: you like this guy, dive, I like this guy dive sick.
Speaker 1: Let's be best friends and Scott all the time together,
Speaker 1: like and girls. I just I don't know. I think
Speaker 1: there's like a little bit more of like a like
Speaker 1: an interview process. Yeah, there's definitely a process of like
Speaker 1: do we want to let her in? Could we borrow
Speaker 1: close from her? Could we hang out with her and
Speaker 1: have drinks? Could we tell her secret? So like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of like a review process that a woman
Speaker 1: is going to go through, which I think isn't more intensive,
Speaker 1: but I think that lends to a stronger relationship once
Speaker 1: you make it through that filter, if that makes sense,
Speaker 1: rather than like the superficial surface level of friendships that
Speaker 1: guys have for the like just jumping off buildings and
Speaker 1: stuff rather beers. Yeah. So, so now that you and
Speaker 1: Nick are fully moved in together, what's next? Do you think?
Speaker 1: I know that now is everyone's like, okay, when you're
Speaker 1: getting engaged, when are you doing this? Um? I think
Speaker 1: people always ask that question, and we have been open
Speaker 1: with those conversations. Like I don't think I would have
Speaker 1: willingly or not willingly or just like openly just jumped
Speaker 1: into moving in so quickly and changing my life. And
Speaker 1: I mean there was circumstances that led to that, But
Speaker 1: I think because I knew like we were solid and
Speaker 1: that we had talked about potentially being serious in the
Speaker 1: future and like engagements and things like that, Like we've
Speaker 1: had those discussions. So I think eventually that's definitely going
Speaker 1: to happen. Um, it's just a matter of like when.
Speaker 1: And but as far as like where we're at now,
Speaker 1: we're at a good spot. Definitely. Yeah. I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like last time we talked on this podcast too,
Speaker 1: you were kind of worth saying the same thing where
Speaker 1: it's like it's kind of expected at this point. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know if that's like an age
Speaker 1: thing or it's just like I wanted to go into
Speaker 1: something that I knew could end up being serious. Um,
Speaker 1: But we both have been It's been easy to talk
Speaker 1: about it, Like sometimes with girls are like wanting to
Speaker 1: know that and don't ask or are free to ask. What.
Speaker 1: We kind of talked about that from the very beginning,
Speaker 1: if that made sense, um, So there was never any like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what what could we get married? I
Speaker 1: mean I spend all of his time, all my time
Speaker 1: with his family and like his brother is Mary and
Speaker 1: she has this like adorable child that we hang out
Speaker 1: with all time, so we see like the family life
Speaker 1: and like down the road what could be happening, and
Speaker 1: it's not scary to either of us. So well, so
Speaker 1: you bring up an interesting point that I think would
Speaker 1: be good for the listeners to kind of dive in
Speaker 1: on a little bit um you said something or all
Speaker 1: along lines of sometimes girls are scared to like ask
Speaker 1: those questions, right, So what kind of advice would you
Speaker 1: have for someone that maybe is in a similar ish situation,
Speaker 1: maybe like a less stable one than you, but like
Speaker 1: someone that wants to ask the question, but it is
Speaker 1: fearful of it, you know, Like what kind of advice? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that person? And I feel like I get this question
Speaker 1: a lot, like when either if it's like someone trying
Speaker 1: to figure out if we're not dating other people or
Speaker 1: someone trying to figure out if this is going to
Speaker 1: be something serious down the road. I'm just always at
Speaker 1: the camp of just having the conversation because I like
Speaker 1: to know versus just like waiting around and wondering and
Speaker 1: getting deeper into my feelings with someone or getting more
Speaker 1: invested and they're not actually there. I would just rather
Speaker 1: know and that's kind of like ripping off the bandit
Speaker 1: and having a really hard conversation. But I think like
Speaker 1: when you have those conversations directly towards the beginning, the
Speaker 1: easier it is for you because you're not going to
Speaker 1: be invested. Your feelings won't be as hurt as they
Speaker 1: would be like down the road when you find out
Speaker 1: how they're still seeing other people or they're not wanting
Speaker 1: to have like marriage and family and all that stuff.
Speaker 1: So I liked how those conversations earlier on UM. But
Speaker 1: that's me. It's kind of like the ultimate form of
Speaker 1: procrastination where you're setting yourself up for failure. It's the
Speaker 1: longer you wait to ask the question. Yeah, because if
Speaker 1: someone's not in it for the long haul, I don't
Speaker 1: think that you can necessarily change that. UM And I
Speaker 1: mean they're going to pretty much know that from the jump.
Speaker 1: I would feel like, depending on how you get into
Speaker 1: the relationship, is it Nick younger than you? He's a
Speaker 1: month younger than me, so let's not rub it in.
Speaker 1: I thought for some reason he was like five years
Speaker 1: younger than you, But a month is a month? Is
Speaker 1: it would be wild? Yeah? No, I'm an old soul
Speaker 1: but not that much, right right, right? So okay, gotcha.
Speaker 1: So there's talks of it, but you're no rush, but
Speaker 1: hoping for a marriage kids a white picket fence down
Speaker 1: the line. Yeah, I mean that's always been in the
Speaker 1: back of my mind. But yeah, I think we're in
Speaker 1: a good place. I mean, we've known each other for
Speaker 1: a year and they're still pretty solid. Um. I think
Speaker 1: if marriage and all that comes into play, it's going
Speaker 1: to be like, I need to talk to my parents
Speaker 1: about that, and then he's he's of like the traditional
Speaker 1: route where he would want to ask my parents for
Speaker 1: permission and all that stuff, So those types of conversations
Speaker 1: would have to happen first. But we're in a good spot.
Speaker 1: I feel like those Midwest born and bred boys too,
Speaker 1: like they kind of they're on more of a traditional
Speaker 1: timeline rather than the coastal boys, the New York California kids.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be single until forty yeah, and I
Speaker 1: I mean I've dated those guys and that's fine for them,
Speaker 1: but like it's just something I knew I wanted and
Speaker 1: needed and those were kind of my boundaries and I
Speaker 1: led me to this person that was on the same
Speaker 1: page as me. So that's why I like to have
Speaker 1: the conversations kind of early, because I know that's what
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. I love like a cool girl and
Speaker 1: like someone that can like date around. That's great if
Speaker 1: you can handle that. I just know I can't handle that.
Speaker 1: So I was just very clear with that from the beginning. Nice,
Speaker 1: I respect it. Um, All right, let's let's just here's
Speaker 1: a little tiny bit because there was this US Weekly
Speaker 1: article that I read recently where you share that you
Speaker 1: felt the pressure of the entire Asian race filming The Bachelor,
Speaker 1: and I was wondering, if you, if you're up for it,
Speaker 1: would you mind sharing a little bit more about that. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: I tend to put a lot of pressure on myself
Speaker 1: and just naturally as a person. UM, and I'm pretty
Speaker 1: aware of my surroundings. So with me and what they
Speaker 1: were talking about with that article, it was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: because race has been such a talked about thing this
Speaker 1: especially this past season and around the Bachelor franchise, and
Speaker 1: I think they've made like huge shrides since I was
Speaker 1: on the show with um casting and how they represent
Speaker 1: more diverse cast members as far as them showing them.
Speaker 1: And that's a different story but for me personally, on
Speaker 1: my season, I was one of two Asian women. I'm
Speaker 1: half Asian, I'm path Filipino. Um So there was me
Speaker 1: and another girl and she went home the first night,
Speaker 1: and I was like looking around and just not seeing
Speaker 1: anyone else really that looked like me. And I was like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: um so does that mean I am now this girl
Speaker 1: for this season? Because if you think about it, they cast,
Speaker 1: they cast the season like they know who they're putting
Speaker 1: on the show. So it's like I have now a
Speaker 1: role to play. Whether that's true or not, that's just
Speaker 1: what I put on myself just knowing that. I mean,
Speaker 1: looking around the room, I was like, Okay, well, I'm
Speaker 1: now the only girl that's going to represent that. How
Speaker 1: do I want to show that? And for me, that
Speaker 1: was trying to do the best example of like what
Speaker 1: an Asian American woman is. And for me, that was
Speaker 1: just being like myself. And maybe that meant being a
Speaker 1: little more reserved with how I represented myself or how
Speaker 1: my conversations went on the show. I don't know for sure.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of factors that go into that, but
Speaker 1: I definitely have that in the back of my mind
Speaker 1: throughout my time on the show. Was that something that
Speaker 1: you ever even considered before you were on either show
Speaker 1: or is it something that you didn't even realize was
Speaker 1: a thing until you were like thrusting the environment. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm always aware of it. Like, for example, I grew
Speaker 1: up as a dancer and I would go to auditions,
Speaker 1: and if I go to a casting, it's usually for
Speaker 1: their looking for an ethnic woman. I would go to
Speaker 1: a casting and there would be a room full of
Speaker 1: Asian women. It was just me and like thirty other
Speaker 1: Asian woman, So like usually you're hired for a role.
Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of used to that life. So
Speaker 1: me going on a show, I know that, like, oh
Speaker 1: they needed another Asian girl, so I'm going to be
Speaker 1: that role. Um, whether that's a good thing or a
Speaker 1: bad thing, I've just always been aware of it, and
Speaker 1: I just I knew this was like my one shot
Speaker 1: to represent what that is. So I tried to do
Speaker 1: my very best at showing like what I think is
Speaker 1: a good example of an Asian woman on on the franchise,
Speaker 1: which can lend to a lot of pressure, but I
Speaker 1: tend to do that to myself. I can only imagine
Speaker 1: how much pressure there there has to be in that situation.
Speaker 1: As a white man, I like to obviously never have
Speaker 1: to deal with that, so I can I like, I
Speaker 1: can't even put myself in those shoes. But I guess
Speaker 1: question for you, then, why do you think there is
Speaker 1: such a lack of diversity on the show? Because at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, there's no bad things from
Speaker 1: being more inclusive and showing more diversity, right, Like only
Speaker 1: good things can come from that, So why do you
Speaker 1: think there is such a lack of it. I think
Speaker 1: it's like a fear of shifts and how that's going
Speaker 1: to affect the audience and how that's going to affect
Speaker 1: a paycheck at the end of the day, if you
Speaker 1: think about it. I mean, ratings and all of that
Speaker 1: are definitely something I'm sure the show takes into accounts.
Speaker 1: I think they even look at like who is getting
Speaker 1: the most followed from the show on Instagram, which is
Speaker 1: like you think, like not doesn't matter, but I think
Speaker 1: you're very aware of that for who they're choosing to
Speaker 1: be the lead, or like who they're choosing to bring back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think all of that goes into account
Speaker 1: which people don't always think about. But because they see
Speaker 1: all the diverse members of the cast aren't getting the
Speaker 1: same following, They're not getting the same amount of recognition.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're like, oh, we don't want to keep pushing
Speaker 1: them on our audience if they're not going to receive them.
Speaker 1: But that's just unfortunate because if you think about like
Speaker 1: the younger girl at home who is a person of color,
Speaker 1: and they're looking at the show and they love it,
Speaker 1: but they don't see themselves on the show falling in
Speaker 1: love are getting that end goal or the rise, whatever
Speaker 1: you wanna call it. At the end, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: why can't I have that? Like I don't see myself
Speaker 1: on TV falling love, I don't see myself doing those
Speaker 1: things are succeeding on a show. So that's hard to
Speaker 1: think about, Like you're you're affecting other people in that way,
Speaker 1: whether you realize it or not, it does have an effect. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I can imagine it's gotta be a slippery slope
Speaker 1: for like for The Bachelor, for instance, like twenty years
Speaker 1: ago or whenever the show started. I'm sure they never
Speaker 1: intended to be so like exclusively you know, for lack
Speaker 1: of a better term, white, But at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, Like if their audience is white and they
Speaker 1: respond more possibly to the white contestants, then through the
Speaker 1: years they're they're skewing more and more white. Whether that's
Speaker 1: true or not, I have no idea, but but yeah,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine. Um. I mean, it's it's just
Speaker 1: it's got to be. It's it's it's weird for me
Speaker 1: because as like a white guy, I've never really had
Speaker 1: to deal with any of that stuff. So even while
Speaker 1: I was on the show, like I didn't even notice it.
Speaker 1: We had like a we had a more heavily um
Speaker 1: black cast and normal and there was like everyone was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like we're we're super diverse, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. I never really thought anything of it.
Speaker 1: And then it kind of like moved away from that,
Speaker 1: and especially like the Asian representation has always been, from
Speaker 1: my understanding, like one or two contestants per season tops, um,
Speaker 1: and then they have a couple of people of color,
Speaker 1: and then there's like the traditional core white contestants, and
Speaker 1: it's just like there's I don't know, it seems so
Speaker 1: flawed in my opinion, Yeah, exactly. I mean they cast
Speaker 1: them now so they're like showing like, oh, we did it,
Speaker 1: we cast it. But now it's like how it's important
Speaker 1: to represent that then, Like I think there's a an
Speaker 1: account called Bachelor Data and it takes into like the
Speaker 1: numbers of like each person's screen time, and just like
Speaker 1: the skewed of like the white screen time was just
Speaker 1: like so high, which is like that has a lot
Speaker 1: of factors. That also depends on the relationship that's happening
Speaker 1: between the lead. So for my instance, like I know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't shown a lot because I didn't have a
Speaker 1: strong connection with the lead, So I can't necessarily blame
Speaker 1: that on anything. But besides that, but when you have
Speaker 1: like extremely sorry diverse cast and it's still skewed, it's
Speaker 1: it's still um, there's it's showing. That's no problem. You
Speaker 1: can take it one step further and say screw production
Speaker 1: for casting a lead that would never be interested in
Speaker 1: anyone other than a white girl, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it's like you can still kind of go up
Speaker 1: and I think you can even go up the ranks
Speaker 1: and be like, Okay, well, there's probably not much diversity
Speaker 1: in like the casting department. There's not much diversity in
Speaker 1: the you know, the studio heads like all that kind
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I think that diversity has to kind
Speaker 1: of start at the top and work its way down
Speaker 1: because if it's white people casting people of color and
Speaker 1: Asian Americans and all these people, it's like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: it's still a white person casting these people for a
Speaker 1: white person that probably only likes white people. So it's
Speaker 1: just like it runs. It runs really deep, and I
Speaker 1: think we're at the start of the changes. But I
Speaker 1: think because of that, it's going to take time to
Speaker 1: unravel all of the things in order for us to
Speaker 1: get there. But we're definitely at the beginning now. I'm
Speaker 1: interested to see where they're going to go with it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well so they did go somewhere with They went with
Speaker 1: Katie as one bachelor and then Michelle and another bachelor
Speaker 1: at UM. So I mean, that's that's good to see
Speaker 1: there's more representation in the leads. What's your what are
Speaker 1: your thoughts on either of them? Have you met either
Speaker 1: of them or ever talked to either of them or
Speaker 1: anything like that. I've not met or talked to either
Speaker 1: of them. I think they're both awesome. I loved that
Speaker 1: they chose both of them. I loved Michelle. I love
Speaker 1: that she was like a teacher and just seems so
Speaker 1: down to earth and can relate to kids and all
Speaker 1: the things. And I love Katie too. I thought she
Speaker 1: was hilarious, like with her dildo the whole season. I
Speaker 1: thought she was awesome. Um, I think it'll be fun.
Speaker 1: I think it'll be an interesting season. I always love
Speaker 1: a Bachelorette season. It's interesting how they're doing like so
Speaker 1: much at once. There's going to be like a bachelotte
Speaker 1: season and then Paradise and then Michelle's is like a
Speaker 1: lot um. But I'm excited. I'm also interesting too, interested
Speaker 1: to see that dynamic between like Caitlin and take shipping
Speaker 1: the host of Katie season, and how Bachelor Nation kind
Speaker 1: of takes that. Well, It'll just be an interesting thing
Speaker 1: to watch. Like, I love both of them, and I
Speaker 1: think they'll be greatest host is and it will be
Speaker 1: a nice dynamic with them both being bachelorette's from past
Speaker 1: seasons being able to like talk to Katie and like
Speaker 1: hopefully help her through because with Chris, like he he's
Speaker 1: seeing other people's emogency, understands them, but he hasn't felt
Speaker 1: them himself. So it'll I think it'll lend to like
Speaker 1: deeper conversations than more like help from the host, and
Speaker 1: they might we might see them more than we did
Speaker 1: Chris on the other Season's Yeah, I can see that
Speaker 1: for sure. Are you bummed about not being in consideration
Speaker 1: for going back to Bash in Paradise? You're satisfying. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you want to go back to my language? There's
Speaker 1: no way. I mean you you just think about, like,
Speaker 1: remember how you felt during that time? No thanks, no thing.
Speaker 1: It's like perpetual anxiety exactly. Really wants to feel that exactly.
Speaker 1: And like, I wish everyone all the best that's going.
Speaker 1: I think they're gonna have a ton of fun. I
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a fun thing to watch
Speaker 1: because there's so many seasons that they're going to get
Speaker 1: to choose from, and I'm sure they're going to use
Speaker 1: that there to their advantage and really making an interesting season. Um.
Speaker 1: I just I wish them luck. I don't wish to
Speaker 1: trade place this with any one of them. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: happy where I'm at. But um I also will say,
Speaker 1: like me being on those shows, I did learn a
Speaker 1: lot and it got to me to where I am.
Speaker 1: But do I need to go back and relearn those lessons.
Speaker 1: I'm okay, right, Yeah, So what advice would you have
Speaker 1: for a contestant that I'd be going down to Paradise
Speaker 1: for the first time. Yes, here's my advice. I would say,
Speaker 1: break the rules and actually talk to people beforehand and
Speaker 1: actually slide into people's dms and get to know them.
Speaker 1: I think, like knowing that other people did that, I
Speaker 1: was like, I am behind and I don't like to
Speaker 1: feel like I'm playing catch up. I think use your
Speaker 1: whatever you can to your advantage because it's going to
Speaker 1: be a tough season because there's so many people and
Speaker 1: so many options, and it's going to be a mess um.
Speaker 1: So if you can like lock into someone quickly, do that,
Speaker 1: Like if you can be a Dylan with Hannah and
Speaker 1: just like know from the jump, that's the way to
Speaker 1: do it because and you're just saw. I mean they
Speaker 1: mess with him with like a little bit, but like
Speaker 1: they got there. So yeah, try not to get into
Speaker 1: a love triangle. I'm sure Dan you can tell everyone
Speaker 1: about that, but the triangles and other than the one line,
Speaker 1: grab someone's hand and run into the sunset. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that you said break the rules. That seems so Unsidney,
Speaker 1: like I know, but I wish I had because I
Speaker 1: was I was so behind because I didn't break the rules.
Speaker 1: I know, I will say I I think breaking the
Speaker 1: rules can serve you for a different reason though, I
Speaker 1: think breaking the rules is important because it kind of
Speaker 1: like gives you a sense of this person and what
Speaker 1: they're going to be like in the real world, you know,
Speaker 1: like when you're on that beach, like nothing is the
Speaker 1: same as it's going to be once you go home.
Speaker 1: And so by like reaching out maybe a little beforehand,
Speaker 1: seeing how they like respond like you know sometimes like
Speaker 1: responding timely, it's kind of important. So it's like seeing
Speaker 1: how they react on their phone and um, their punctuation,
Speaker 1: their grammar could be pretty important to you too. So
Speaker 1: that's true if you're a bad text or it's just
Speaker 1: going to be over as soon as you get out,
Speaker 1: and you won't necessarily know that unless you've talked before.
Speaker 1: That's a very good point exactly. And I always talk
Speaker 1: about there's like a severe misrepresentation of people's selves on
Speaker 1: the show too, Like we always put our best foot
Speaker 1: for ord when we go on the show, like look
Speaker 1: at me, these are the things of these are my accomplishments,
Speaker 1: like this is how cool I am, how hot I am,
Speaker 1: how smart, dam blah blah blah blah blah. But in reality,
Speaker 1: like time, it's not true because we're just like trying
Speaker 1: to put our best selves out there. So by getting
Speaker 1: getting ahead of it, you might be saving yourself a
Speaker 1: little bit of heartache by not having to deal with
Speaker 1: any of that. So I get ahead, and you already
Speaker 1: have the confidence like, oh, that person was interested in me,
Speaker 1: they responded to me, or they reached out to me, Like,
Speaker 1: you already have that in the back of your mind,
Speaker 1: so you can go into the beach with a little
Speaker 1: bit more confidence where I was just like a deer
Speaker 1: in headlights. I felt like going onto the beach. Do
Speaker 1: you think there's any people from Batchean Para Day Season six,
Speaker 1: our season that are going to be returning to the
Speaker 1: beach for season seven? I mean, Blake keeps hanging out
Speaker 1: with people like he was just with all of the
Speaker 1: new crew last week, and I'm like, Blake, please don't
Speaker 1: do that to yourself. Um, but I feel like he
Speaker 1: might be going back. I feel like I think he's
Speaker 1: going back. Yeah, Like, and I hope that's not like
Speaker 1: him trying to redeem himself, because I don't think that's
Speaker 1: ever possible. I don't know, but I can go back.
Speaker 1: I could see a lot of them kind of wanting
Speaker 1: to go back, maybe, like because I think like Christina
Speaker 1: is still single, might might still be single. Mike. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he hated Paradise, so it'll be interesting to see if
Speaker 1: he does go back. But he might, you know, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a year off the show or
Speaker 1: two years and you're like, it doesn't seem so bad,
Speaker 1: but then you get back there and you're like, what
Speaker 1: did I do? I'm in case in point. I took
Speaker 1: te years off and I was like, I'm never going
Speaker 1: back again, and then te years later, I was like,
Speaker 1: screw it. Why not? So I don't know. You could
Speaker 1: see couple it did work out. I got very very lucky. Um,
Speaker 1: it did work out. But I could see you. I
Speaker 1: could see a couple of those people going back. Um,
Speaker 1: I hope, you know, it's always nice to see a
Speaker 1: familiar face on TV kind of like keeps interested. So
Speaker 1: I hope, for for our sake, for entertainment value, that
Speaker 1: they go back. But yeah, so we can watch with popcorn.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, all right, We're gonna take a quick break
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get into our guests, Shaquille Uri.
Speaker 1: I hope I'm saying his name correctly, but he is
Speaker 1: from Temptation Island. Uh. They're only season three two, so
Speaker 1: they've been they've been killing it. I remember, Well, we'll
Speaker 1: get to this later, but yes, stick around through the break.
Speaker 1: We'll have Shaquille on here pretty soon. All right, everybody,
Speaker 1: welcome back to help I suck at dating, And as promised,
Speaker 1: we have Shaquille. You're re joining us all the way
Speaker 1: from Denver, Colorado, the best state in the world. Shaquille,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good. I'm good. How are you guys?
Speaker 1: We're good, We're good. Thanks for joining us. So this
Speaker 1: is Sidney. She is guest co hosting with us today
Speaker 1: and we obviously are big fans of Temptation Island. Before
Speaker 1: we get into it, though, I have a question for you.
Speaker 1: Do you know any previous season's cash members? I do not, honestly,
Speaker 1: full displosure, I did not watch any previous seasons before
Speaker 1: going into the house, so I'm still trying to catch
Speaker 1: up on what happened before. Okay, got you because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm well I know a couple of them, I guess,
Speaker 1: so I I just it's always funny to see if
Speaker 1: there's any like mutual friends. They think that. But you'll
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit more about how you got
Speaker 1: on the show. So Temptation Island for those is it
Speaker 1: still filmed in Hawaii? Yeah, I was in Maoi yah,
Speaker 1: So tell us how you got there because I'm curious. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was actually funny. I just said, moved out to Denver,
Speaker 1: um and my phone rang from like Burbank, California, and
Speaker 1: the sweetest girls started talking to me, and she was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I've you ever heard of Temptation Island? And
Speaker 1: I immediately hung up on her first because I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you know one of these dating like shows. I don't
Speaker 1: really know, Like no, probably not. And then she kept
Speaker 1: calling me. She was persistent, so I heard her out
Speaker 1: after I got out of the gym, and I thought
Speaker 1: the idea of this sounded pretty fun. So like two
Speaker 1: months later, I was in Mauie. So you moved, You
Speaker 1: moved to Denver? Where do you? Where'd you live before Denver? So?
Speaker 1: I lived in Maine, southern Maine. Yeah, New England. I'm
Speaker 1: a new England boy, nice nice. I wish he was
Speaker 1: here because he also is a new Englander. I saw,
Speaker 1: I saw he had he loves this Tom Brady, so
Speaker 1: I kind of figured. I kind of figured, oh, dude
Speaker 1: to a fault. I'm sure you're a big pretty fans too.
Speaker 1: But it's funny how that works too, because a lot
Speaker 1: of times. So how I got on The Bachelor very
Speaker 1: similar story. It was like, at first I was like
Speaker 1: why I would ever do that? And then eventually I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what, why not? Why not just
Speaker 1: go for it? So? How how was your time on Temptation?
Speaker 1: Do you regret it all? Are you happy with it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It was. It was an emotional road coaster, I think, um,
Speaker 1: but I definitely don't regret anything. I was really happy
Speaker 1: that I kind of went for it. But it was
Speaker 1: definitely a once in a lifetime experience. I think for sure,
Speaker 1: from going on, do you wish you had watched it
Speaker 1: beforehand so you had a better idea of how it
Speaker 1: was going to go? Or do you like that you
Speaker 1: just kind of didn't know what was going to happen
Speaker 1: once you got there. I was pretty glad I didn't
Speaker 1: watch any of it, to be honest, I thought if
Speaker 1: I did, I was gonna psyck myself out a little bit.
Speaker 1: And I just wanted to go in one hand to
Speaker 1: percent myself and just kind of see what happened. Um,
Speaker 1: And then like it left a lot of like surprises
Speaker 1: around the corner, like eliminations and things like that. I
Speaker 1: had no clue that was even the thing. So it
Speaker 1: was it was excite not watching it for sure. And
Speaker 1: then how has it been watching it back? Like seeing
Speaker 1: yourself on TV? Is it weird? Um? There hasn't been
Speaker 1: a single episode that felt normal. I guess, like ten
Speaker 1: minutes leading up to a starting there's always like this
Speaker 1: spike of like anxiousness and then you just kind of
Speaker 1: start rolling with it and you're like, all right, let's
Speaker 1: see what they made me look like this week? Uh well,
Speaker 1: and so when you got there too, you had a
Speaker 1: connection with Aaron, right, And so how did that all?
Speaker 1: Kind of because she because Aaron came down with her boyfriend,
Speaker 1: but you guys kind of hit it off. So tell
Speaker 1: us about that a little bit. Yeah, So I mean
Speaker 1: her coming there like it was for her to kind
Speaker 1: of explore she how you know, can make a better
Speaker 1: connection with somebody else or if she was more compatible
Speaker 1: with somebody else. So yeah, I mean basically the day
Speaker 1: we first met, we just sort of kind of clicked
Speaker 1: a little bit. Um. We had a lot of the
Speaker 1: same humor, UM, a lot of the same interest UM.
Speaker 1: And she has very very strong personalities you can see
Speaker 1: from watching the show, and I do as well. So
Speaker 1: we just kind of hit it off from day one,
Speaker 1: and things sort of just kind of went Yeah, was
Speaker 1: Aaron the only one that you were interested in the
Speaker 1: house or where did you have other people that you
Speaker 1: could have been interested in? Um, she was the only
Speaker 1: one I was interested in, I would say. Um. There
Speaker 1: were definitely moments of frustration where I was like, you know, man,
Speaker 1: maybe I should you know, maybe talk to somebody else
Speaker 1: or get to know somebody else a little bit. But
Speaker 1: like even as soon as that moment came in my head,
Speaker 1: it was out just as fast, and I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's she's she's it from me on the island.
Speaker 1: So can you talk to me about the dynamic of
Speaker 1: dating someone that's already in a relationship. Was that did
Speaker 1: that lend to like having them be a little bit
Speaker 1: more attractive to you or like what was that like
Speaker 1: knowing that they were already in a somewhat committed relationship.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so full disclosure. My last couple of relationships
Speaker 1: were very similar situations where they were they were seeing
Speaker 1: somebody and I was kind of, uh, you know, sparked
Speaker 1: an interest in him, and I kind of just played
Speaker 1: the long game and kind of waited for for my
Speaker 1: moment there. So I was kind of coming into a
Speaker 1: familiar situation. But for me, I never really thought about
Speaker 1: the boyfriend aspect. I never really like, we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about it a lot when we had a conversation, so
Speaker 1: it was kind of in the back of my mind.
Speaker 1: I didn't really think about it too much. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to get to know her as a single
Speaker 1: individual person. And then you know, if I was good
Speaker 1: enough for her to leave the island with the great
Speaker 1: and if not, you know, I did what I could. Well,
Speaker 1: that situation, too, has to be so interesting because yes,
Speaker 1: she has a boyfriend, but the fact that she's even
Speaker 1: there kind of lends to the fact that she probably
Speaker 1: is interested in seeing other people, you know, exactly exactly, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of them. None of them wanted
Speaker 1: to admit that. Honestly, none of the girls wanted to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, I'm here to explore other options.
Speaker 1: When it's written in the description that's exactly what you're
Speaker 1: there for. But they all wanted to play it off
Speaker 1: kind of like they were there to solely work on
Speaker 1: their relationships. And it was like, I'm not sure you
Speaker 1: quite understand what we're Yeah, and then you started get
Speaker 1: like a little press raed probably too, You're like, like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? Yeah? Exactly exactly like Mark
Speaker 1: says in the intro, you know you are no longer
Speaker 1: you know, you're single from this point out, But I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of people quite understood that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So it has that ever happened to you? Have you
Speaker 1: ever been attracted or like pined after someone that was
Speaker 1: in a relationship, not intentionally, like if they were flirting
Speaker 1: with me and whatever, and then I found out later
Speaker 1: that they had a girlfriend. That's when I would back off,
Speaker 1: but first if I hadn't known. Yeah, so it's kind
Speaker 1: of happened, but not like I went after it, have you, Dane,
Speaker 1: It's never like gone progress very far? Yeah, Um, I
Speaker 1: don't think. So. There was this girl that I really
Speaker 1: liked for a long time. I had a boyfriend. But
Speaker 1: as you know, people do, they just kind of fizzled.
Speaker 1: I think we were both trying to be super respectful
Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. The long game has
Speaker 1: never been my strong suit much. Does she killed credit,
Speaker 1: So props to you for that one. Yeah, but it's weird.
Speaker 1: It's funny how like seeing someone in a relationship it
Speaker 1: like kind of like it's like the forbidden fruit, you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of like gives you this weird little attraction
Speaker 1: towards them. I feel like, yeah, I agree, Um, so
Speaker 1: what's so? Then you got voted off the island though? Right?
Speaker 1: I did? I did? She booted me? She booted you?
Speaker 1: And how does that work? So it's it's like a
Speaker 1: voting system. So the girls all kind of got together
Speaker 1: and voted that that Air needed to focus more on
Speaker 1: herself than have you there as a quote unquote distraction. Right,
Speaker 1: that's that thing a little bit? Are you kind of like,
Speaker 1: well come on? Yeah? It was tough. Like leading up
Speaker 1: to it, I kind of had an inkling like, you know,
Speaker 1: she might we're getting really close, she might boot me
Speaker 1: out of here, because I saw her play it safe
Speaker 1: in some of her day selections. So I was like Okay,
Speaker 1: if that's kind of a trending habit for her, she's
Speaker 1: definitely gonna get rid of me if she wants to
Speaker 1: play it safe. So I kind of saw it coming
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it definitely was very hard not
Speaker 1: to be like, um, this is what I'm here for,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you're kicking me off,
Speaker 1: but I'm doing my job, and it was it was tough.
Speaker 1: Um that I feel like if she kind of gave
Speaker 1: in of the process a little bit more than, you know,
Speaker 1: it could have grow grew grew a lot more than
Speaker 1: it did. Um. But you know, how about how about Corey?
Speaker 1: Because Corey was Aaron's boyfriend that she went there with.
Speaker 1: So how was your relationship with him? Was that like
Speaker 1: weird or awkward at all? Uh? Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: saw him at a late at the at the reunion
Speaker 1: with me from the reunion actually, so I've I saw
Speaker 1: him and I had to sit next to him and
Speaker 1: uh out, yeah that was super fun. And uh, I
Speaker 1: mean we're very different personality types, so like he just
Speaker 1: is really quiet and not very opinionated. So I was
Speaker 1: just you know, there was I don't get much from
Speaker 1: him when I'm around and to be honest, I wonder
Speaker 1: if that's because maybe he like has a vendetta against
Speaker 1: you or something, or if he just maybe it's generally
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I mean, watching the show bath, I
Speaker 1: think it's just how he is on top of the
Speaker 1: vendetta park. So yeah, it's a little probably a mixture
Speaker 1: of bull in that aspect. How was it for you
Speaker 1: watching then Aaron after you left and now being off
Speaker 1: the show? Do you still have feelings for her or
Speaker 1: do you have anything that you wish you could tell
Speaker 1: her or maybe that you told her on the finale
Speaker 1: or the reunion? Um, I mean, why dot you get
Speaker 1: back now that I'm not there? I mean it's you know,
Speaker 1: nothing's like kind of surprising to me. Um. I think
Speaker 1: she's very very focused on leaving with Corey. So I
Speaker 1: think that's what her mean, Like, you know, she's kind
Speaker 1: of like isolated herself, you know, just kind of having
Speaker 1: fun now, I think, and I think that's what you wanted.
Speaker 1: I gotta getting me out of there was taking away
Speaker 1: the distraction and the emotional aspect of it, because it
Speaker 1: looks like she's just there to have fun now. Um.
Speaker 1: As far as the second part of that question, we've
Speaker 1: had like some conversations. Uh, she kind of knows where
Speaker 1: I stand. And you know that I thought, even off
Speaker 1: the island, if we were never put in that situation
Speaker 1: and I ran into her outside of the whole process,
Speaker 1: it's that she would have been somebody I was very
Speaker 1: interested in the same way. Um. But I and she
Speaker 1: just has some things to figure out before we can
Speaker 1: kind of explore that anymore. We'll tell us about these
Speaker 1: conversations a little bit. What are you guys talking about? Honestly,
Speaker 1: just like a lot of it is kind of put
Speaker 1: in that situation, you never know what's real and what's
Speaker 1: kind of fake. Um. But we've had a lot of
Speaker 1: conversations about kind of expressing to each other genuinely, like
Speaker 1: you know, what we built or connected there was genuine
Speaker 1: um that it was something that wasn't just gonna stop
Speaker 1: because the cameras were off. Um. And just kind of
Speaker 1: like where she's at mentally and emotionally after filming it,
Speaker 1: after the reunion and everything, um. And then a lot
Speaker 1: of just friendly conversations like the same way we banned
Speaker 1: are on the island, it's the same way we're talking
Speaker 1: in life now. So I'm interested if say a different
Speaker 1: world where you, maybe you and Aaron were dating outside
Speaker 1: of this, would you then bring her to Temptation Island?
Speaker 1: Would you want to go through that process with her?
Speaker 1: Or would you kind of stay out of that whole situation.
Speaker 1: I would avoid bad at all costs. Like, there is
Speaker 1: no way I would bring her or anybody else on
Speaker 1: that on that show in that kind of environment. That's tough. Um,
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy, So there's no I was gonna say,
Speaker 1: isn't it so frustrating that like that, Sometimes the ones
Speaker 1: you get along with the best, like Aaron in this case,
Speaker 1: is like the one that you're not allowed to like
Speaker 1: date or be with all right, And that makes it
Speaker 1: so much worse too, because you're like we have so
Speaker 1: much like synergy and like we connect so well and
Speaker 1: we have so much fun together, but we can't be together.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's definitely tough and it's funny. I never,
Speaker 1: I never. When I went there, I did not expect
Speaker 1: It's like you got four girls and twelve guys, Like,
Speaker 1: what are the odds you're really gonna like find somebody
Speaker 1: like that? And like first day I was like, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be this is gonna be a ride because
Speaker 1: I can already tell we were going to hit it off.
Speaker 1: So let's say Aaron wasn't there, then was there anyone
Speaker 1: else that you might have found like interest in? M
Speaker 1: hm Um. I think Kristen is a gorgeous girl. Um.
Speaker 1: The only issue with that situation is she's very very
Speaker 1: invested in in her current relationship, So I know that
Speaker 1: would have been a losing battle for sure. Um. And
Speaker 1: then Chelsea and I got really really close. Actually, Um,
Speaker 1: she's a little bit older than I am, so like
Speaker 1: I'm not sure she would kind of come down to
Speaker 1: my age group, but we did get really really close. Um,
Speaker 1: so there could have been potential there if Aaron was Yeah,
Speaker 1: I get so beyond that though, Like obviously hindsight, what
Speaker 1: would you change if you go back and do it
Speaker 1: over again? You think, like any regrets anything where, like
Speaker 1: maybe it's something with Aaron where maybe like you could
Speaker 1: have could have said something to like change your mind
Speaker 1: or something like that. You know. Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: feel like I've I've been asked that question so many times. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I don't think I would have done anything different, Like
Speaker 1: I feel like I did exactly. I approached it the
Speaker 1: way I wanted to going into it. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot of people might have thought I was very like,
Speaker 1: you know, straightforward. It came on very strong, but you know,
Speaker 1: you got you got a couple of weeks to try
Speaker 1: to get this girl to question her relationship and you
Speaker 1: that you're the better option. So coming on strong, it's
Speaker 1: kind of your only way to go, And I think
Speaker 1: I think it worked out. I mean, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, I replayed the last couple of days in
Speaker 1: my head and I'm like, I don't know what I
Speaker 1: could have done differently to get her to keep me around.
Speaker 1: But I think I kind of dug my brave when
Speaker 1: we started getting close since day one. So what's it
Speaker 1: kind of been like dating now after the show? Like
Speaker 1: now you're back in Denver, the show is like you
Speaker 1: you've obviously like been on TV, Like has anything changed
Speaker 1: or they're our girls like recognizing you already think that
Speaker 1: I've had a handful of people like downtown things like
Speaker 1: that recognized me super weird, Like coming from Vermont, like
Speaker 1: the smallest state, you know, the middle of nowhere is
Speaker 1: definitely weird and weird experience to have. Um, dating wise,
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean keeping relatively to myself, to be honest, Um,
Speaker 1: I think the show honestly taught me a lot how
Speaker 1: to legitimately date, though in a weird way, because you
Speaker 1: don't have those outside distractions. You don't have four girls
Speaker 1: trying to take you on a date at one time,
Speaker 1: Like you're so focused on this one person, um, and
Speaker 1: you're actually forced that to get to know them because
Speaker 1: they are in a relationship. So you're not gonna, you know,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna go on a date and then immediately
Speaker 1: end up in bed with them or anything like that.
Speaker 1: So it definitely taught me a lot now, but in
Speaker 1: the outside world, to to take my time and actually
Speaker 1: get to genuinely connect with somebody rather than kind of
Speaker 1: just like chasing girls all over the place. Um. So yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple of dates here and there, but
Speaker 1: it just wasn't what I was kind of looking for,
Speaker 1: and the show kind of taught me that in a
Speaker 1: weird going. Would you ever go back on the show
Speaker 1: and try again with a different situation or are you
Speaker 1: going back into the real world and trying to find
Speaker 1: it there. Um, that's a great question, because I would
Speaker 1: love to just find it in the real world. That'd
Speaker 1: be great ideal scenario. But I do like, I just
Speaker 1: like the position the show puts you in because you
Speaker 1: don't have to do with the daily struggles of dating
Speaker 1: and the real world. You're just you're there and you're
Speaker 1: actually in the moment, like you can appreciate every step
Speaker 1: of the way. Um, So I love like the position
Speaker 1: it fluts you in. But I probably I just kind
Speaker 1: of like my freedom and my privacy a little bit.
Speaker 1: I don't feel that. So she goes something we've been
Speaker 1: asking a lot of people that come on the podcast
Speaker 1: is what is your worst first date story? And it
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be on TV or anything that just
Speaker 1: like real world first date story that maybe didn't go
Speaker 1: quite as planned. Oh man, that I haven't had any
Speaker 1: disasters yet, so I would honestly have to say I
Speaker 1: went out to eating with this girl, Like we went
Speaker 1: to dinner, it was nice, and she wanted to go
Speaker 1: to a party. Um it was like back in college
Speaker 1: and we were at the party together and she got
Speaker 1: blacked out passed out of the party and of course
Speaker 1: we're all, you know, maybe or maybe not age to
Speaker 1: be drinking, so of course she this girl is getting
Speaker 1: sick and passed out. So everybody leaves. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I've met this girl, So everybody bails leaves
Speaker 1: the party, and it kind of leaves me there with her,
Speaker 1: and you know, being raised as a stand up and
Speaker 1: being I was like, you know, I'm not gonna bail
Speaker 1: on this girl. So I ended up caring her like
Speaker 1: two miles down a dirt road until we eventually found
Speaker 1: a car coming along the way and I took her
Speaker 1: to the hospital. Uh but yeah, that was the first
Speaker 1: That was our first day, so that was probably the worst.
Speaker 1: That she kind of thanked me for taking care of
Speaker 1: her that there was definitely not a second day. It
Speaker 1: just kind of seemed like, how do you kind of
Speaker 1: go from there? A little bit um, so I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish you the best, and we were
Speaker 1: friends for years after that, but there was definitely a
Speaker 1: second no coming back from that one, that's for sure.
Speaker 1: So so now that Temptation Island, at least for you,
Speaker 1: is over, we kind of talked about a little bit,
Speaker 1: well what's next are you gonna because you're personal training
Speaker 1: in Denver right now? Right? Yes, yes, yes, So what's
Speaker 1: the next move for you? You think, just just the
Speaker 1: life move Life Move. I mean, honestly, for me, I
Speaker 1: would love to do another project like this to another
Speaker 1: TV show. Um. I think it would be a lot
Speaker 1: of fun. Maybe different circumstances, but I think it would
Speaker 1: be fun. Something a little more competitive. Um. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean as far as just training here, I really
Speaker 1: want to like kind of build upon my own business
Speaker 1: with that, um and then at some point opened my
Speaker 1: own location. Would be like a dream of mine to do. UM.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's probably probably kind of the next step
Speaker 1: for me. Should we get him? Yeah, we should. Yeah,
Speaker 1: messaging about that maybe. Wait you said they message you
Speaker 1: about it. Yeah. I've had just so many people just
Speaker 1: being especially after I got eliminated. Yeah, you need to
Speaker 1: do this, you need to do this, And I'm like, man,
Speaker 1: that's how have you seen that? I've you seen who
Speaker 1: they announced as the next bachelor at because there's two
Speaker 1: of them this time, is there? I sort of saw
Speaker 1: I think I sort of briefly saw it, but you'll
Speaker 1: have to refresh me because I I sort of saw
Speaker 1: something that there was two of them, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: quite sure. Well, I guess I guess. Let's put the
Speaker 1: energy out there. If someone came to you and said, hey, Shaquille,
Speaker 1: we want you on the next season The Bachelor. At
Speaker 1: would you sounds like you'd be open to the opportunity,
Speaker 1: and I would. I would pretend like I needed to
Speaker 1: think about it for a second again. Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think be an incredible experience. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that would be great. I think you crushed on
Speaker 1: The Bachelor. I think. Okay, let's so let's put it
Speaker 1: out there. Then. If there's a Bachelor producer listening to
Speaker 1: this podcast right now, Shaquille your he hit him up.
Speaker 1: He's gonna crush it for you. Competitive, which is what
Speaker 1: we like. No, I hate losing is just not my vocabulator.
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Let's will it into existence. Well, Shaquille,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. You're the man.
Speaker 1: We hope to see you on our TV screens very
Speaker 1: very June. Um. For the listeners out there that want
Speaker 1: to see more of you, where can they find you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: On Twitter? Anything like that. Yeah. So my Instagram is uh,
Speaker 1: it's shock eary so I t S. My name s
Speaker 1: j Q, you r I E And that is the
Speaker 1: same handle on Twitter as well. Sweet, You're the man.
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you on the next season Bachelorrett, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hopefully it goes a little bit better at that time. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you had a good experience, whether you
Speaker 1: came out of it with a girlfriend or not. You know,
Speaker 1: it sounds like you learn a little bit about yourself,
Speaker 1: which I think is is all we can really ask
Speaker 1: it ourselves. But um, for Temptation Island fans, we still
Speaker 1: have a couple more episodes and then the reunion, So
Speaker 1: we'll see you on the reunion. Uh, and it's temptation
Speaker 1: is it's Monday's right is when it airs Tuesdays, Tuesday, Tuesdays, Tuesdays. Sweet.
Speaker 1: We'll see you on our TV screens in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks on on the premiere I'm sorry, on the
Speaker 1: on the reunion show, and then we'll look to seeing
Speaker 1: you again, hopefully later in the year. I hope, So,
Speaker 1: I hope. So all right, Well, hey you're the man
Speaker 1: than for joining us. We appreciate it. Appreciate all right,
Speaker 1: welcome back to help I suck at dating. Big thank
Speaker 1: you to Shakill for joining us. Um, But Sydney, we
Speaker 1: have a very very special what a girl wants coming
Speaker 1: up with you here? Pretty soon. But beyond, I want
Speaker 1: to talk about your podcast. I want you to. I
Speaker 1: want you to tell suck Army more about your podcast
Speaker 1: because we share the love here, right. I want and
Speaker 1: to listen. I expect you to reciprocate here. So on
Speaker 1: your podcast you have to be plugging help by second
Speaker 1: dating too. But tell us more about yours, tell us
Speaker 1: more about what's going on over there. Yeah, Dan, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna bring you on and really girly. Um yeah, so
Speaker 1: I would gladly come on. I don't know if I'm
Speaker 1: doing the standard, but um, I have a podcast called
Speaker 1: Something to Share. Um. This is my third generation of
Speaker 1: a podcast that we've made it to where it's at now,
Speaker 1: and I'm actually super excited to the place it's become. Mostly,
Speaker 1: I wanted to start one because I've always enjoyed podcasts,
Speaker 1: whether it's been me like helping hosts like this one,
Speaker 1: or me listening to them on my own. It was
Speaker 1: always like the thing that got me through tough times
Speaker 1: or the thing I needed to hear, something that I
Speaker 1: needed to push myself forward or learn something. So I
Speaker 1: always turned to podcast and so for me making one,
Speaker 1: I wanted to do that for other people and share
Speaker 1: behind the scenes of like really fun people like from
Speaker 1: reality TV or CEOs, entrepreneurs, people that are just like
Speaker 1: successful and kind of sharing how they got there in
Speaker 1: order for other people to see like, oh she got
Speaker 1: there like that, I could do it too, just kind
Speaker 1: of sharing more So, that's my podcast. I have um
Speaker 1: episodes every Wednesday. We've had fun people from bach Shron,
Speaker 1: a lot of cool guests. You've never had me on.
Speaker 1: We haven't, and we're going to do that. I've had
Speaker 1: a lot of people on, but Dean, I think that
Speaker 1: would be a special episode, So let's let's make that happen. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to force myself onto your
Speaker 1: podcast crossover episode, we must, uh? And then what about
Speaker 1: the what a Girl Wants one that you're hosting as well. Yes,
Speaker 1: so I'm very curious as for all the people that
Speaker 1: are still dating in the world and are going to
Speaker 1: this post pandemic dating space, what that's going to be
Speaker 1: like close For me, the pandemic was actually really great
Speaker 1: for me to get out there in the dating world
Speaker 1: and to meet my person and to learn about him
Speaker 1: very differently, Like virtually we got to start dating and
Speaker 1: then we eventually became really great in person versus where
Speaker 1: like where we're going now. I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: people might have forgotten how to socialize a little bit
Speaker 1: and just kind of going through that new dynamic of
Speaker 1: post pandemic and like what it's going to be like.
Speaker 1: So I'm talking to an expert on dating and like
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see what the trends are going to be
Speaker 1: and give advice as far as like how we can
Speaker 1: proceed into this next dating space. So what we need
Speaker 1: is all of your questions on dating in the future
Speaker 1: and anything that you got, so send them in. What
Speaker 1: what's your take on the vaccine? Have you gotten yet?
Speaker 1: Actually got it yesterday? Yesterday my arm was on fire?
Speaker 1: But which one did you get? I got the Fiser vaccine? Yes,
Speaker 1: you got the first dost then yeah, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: don't get the second doest for a while, and it
Speaker 1: still hurts the first one because I heard the first
Speaker 1: one is like manageable and then the second one is
Speaker 1: really it's just like a flu shot arm situation where
Speaker 1: it's like hurts to lift your arm up. It's like
Speaker 1: the needle is really what's your other than that, I've
Speaker 1: been fine, Um, I feel good today I've just been
Speaker 1: drinking a lot of water and yeah, no, no crazy
Speaker 1: side effects. I'm not looking forward to if I have
Speaker 1: them for the second one. But we'll see. Yeah, are
Speaker 1: you getting empty? Yeah, immediately following this podcast that we're
Speaker 1: gonna go at the Johnson and Johnson. That's the one
Speaker 1: I wanted because I wanted done is always right. I
Speaker 1: want to be, but I didn't. I'm a little I'm
Speaker 1: a little concerned. I have a pretty important golf tournament tomorrow.
Speaker 1: I've heard. I've heard that Johnson and Johnson kind of
Speaker 1: knocks you out pretty hard because it's everything in the one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just like sing at all, um, I would say, just
Speaker 1: drink a lot of water, a lot of water, make
Speaker 1: sure sure to hydrate. Um. Yeah. So so I think
Speaker 1: obviously getting a vaccine is a pretty keep component to
Speaker 1: re rejoining the dating pier for the single. That would
Speaker 1: be like the fun dating question, like which a vaccine
Speaker 1: did you get? That's the question starter at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the dating app. I don't know. I think it'll
Speaker 1: be an interesting dynamic. Those are the those are the
Speaker 1: means I keep seeing. It's like a tier system, like
Speaker 1: oh you got maderna. I don't want to talk to
Speaker 1: you what kind of thing. That's why I like us
Speaker 1: getting Johnson and Johnson. I'm like Johnson and Johnson. That's
Speaker 1: kind of like the that's like the third tier vaccine
Speaker 1: that we're gonna get. But yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see, all right, we'll say you. So
Speaker 1: something we're asking I guess our our guests, our co
Speaker 1: host is what is your worst first date story? So
Speaker 1: do you have any really bad first date stories? I
Speaker 1: luckily I haven't had like horrible first dates, but just
Speaker 1: dating in New York was never like solid um just
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, it's bad, Like it's bad where you
Speaker 1: like lower your standards so much because you've just been
Speaker 1: experienced such bad dates are just like not good options
Speaker 1: or just there's so many women and just so a
Speaker 1: few men that you just kind of lower your standards naturally.
Speaker 1: Um lookily gotten out of that headspace. But yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just not it's hard and I don't want to like
Speaker 1: be negative about it, but I've had some not great
Speaker 1: time that ghosted a lot. Um. There was a guy
Speaker 1: that showed up and showed up late and I couldn't
Speaker 1: see his face in the bar it was so dark.
Speaker 1: It was like this cool speak easy and he had
Speaker 1: the voice like Kermit the Frog, And I just didn't
Speaker 1: expect that from text because he was like really cool
Speaker 1: on text, like seemed like he had it together, but
Speaker 1: not cool at all in person, and just there was
Speaker 1: a disconnect and it's just disappointing. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: want to start from a disappointment right from the jump,
Speaker 1: but it happened a lot. Or like they're shorter than thought,
Speaker 1: or are you saying in New York that there is
Speaker 1: a lot more women dating than there are men to
Speaker 1: I think, like, yeah, as far as percentage goes, there's
Speaker 1: just more women to men, So then for men there's
Speaker 1: more options. And I think with New York everyone is
Speaker 1: so driven, which is great, but then it lends to
Speaker 1: like people not really want to get into relationships because
Speaker 1: they're like, I gotta go to work. I don't really
Speaker 1: care about your feelings. So that was my experience, not
Speaker 1: saying everyone was like that. I'm sure there's some gems.
Speaker 1: There's definitely are because I met them, but I just
Speaker 1: didn't find them for me there. And I think that
Speaker 1: mismatched rag, mismatched ratio, Holy coth I could speak loudly.
Speaker 1: Lends itself to uh, some pretty significant f boyery out there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the submarining was really like a big thing for them
Speaker 1: out there, Like they would come back when they wanted
Speaker 1: the submarining where you would like go under surface and
Speaker 1: you just they forget about them for a while, but
Speaker 1: then they would just like submerge all of a sudden
Speaker 1: back into your life, stick around for a couple weeks
Speaker 1: to a month, and then submerge again. So yeah, um,
Speaker 1: it wasn't great, but we made it through. That's like
Speaker 1: learned a lot. That was like a Jared had been
Speaker 1: dating term he used to drop on us one of
Speaker 1: the ones who looked up. Yeah, what was your worst
Speaker 1: first date? Dean? My worst first date? I mean I've
Speaker 1: had plenty, plenty of bad first dates. Um, the one
Speaker 1: that comes to mind first is I went on a
Speaker 1: bumble date like four or five years ago. And I
Speaker 1: don't want to out bumble. It could have been a
Speaker 1: hinge date, it could have been a tender date, but
Speaker 1: I was I think I was only on bumble at
Speaker 1: the time, so I'm assuming it was a bumble date.
Speaker 1: But I went on a date with this girl and
Speaker 1: she was really pretty um, but she kept asking me
Speaker 1: questions that she already knew the answer to that we
Speaker 1: had like discussed like you know, in text or remember
Speaker 1: before the date, or she kept asking me questions or
Speaker 1: like saying things about me that didn't pertain to me.
Speaker 1: And so in the back, in the back of my head,
Speaker 1: I'm like, this girl was talking to like thirty other
Speaker 1: guys because she's getting mixed up with thirty other guys.
Speaker 1: That the whole time it was like we were like
Speaker 1: we were like re we were talking about everything that
Speaker 1: we've already talked about up to that point because she
Speaker 1: was like trying to remember who I was. I felt
Speaker 1: like So that was I think maybe the one of
Speaker 1: the worst first dates I've ever been on, because the
Speaker 1: whole time, in the back of my head, I'm like,
Speaker 1: what am I doing here? Like this sucks, this conversation stucks,
Speaker 1: We've already done that, blah blah blah. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: know that's not like there there. I wish it was
Speaker 1: a better story. The other worst first date I think
Speaker 1: that I went on was actually, uh is with this
Speaker 1: girl that I also meant a bumble around the same time,
Speaker 1: and um, yes, sorry bumble bumble stock taking a real
Speaker 1: big plummet. After this, and the first date it went great.
Speaker 1: You know, we went to a bar, we went out
Speaker 1: and to like playpool or dance or something. Afterwards, Uh,
Speaker 1: nothing came with it. And then like a week later
Speaker 1: we had our second date and we just like ordered
Speaker 1: Chinese food in uh And I talked about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast before too. We ordered Chinese food into the
Speaker 1: apartment and like watched crappy eighties movies on that long.
Speaker 1: But the Chinese food somehow gave me like a really
Speaker 1: like food poisoning, I guess. And so the second day,
Speaker 1: the very second time I've ever hung out this girl,
Speaker 1: I was like on my hands and knees vomiting in
Speaker 1: her toilet for six hours. Um, and that's just there's
Speaker 1: no recovering from She'll make or break. Right. Well, she
Speaker 1: was cool with it, and she was like like, you know,
Speaker 1: helpful and like all that stuff. But um, I was
Speaker 1: like so embarrassed and ashamed that I didn't want her
Speaker 1: to continue to see him in that light. So it
Speaker 1: didn't really lead to anything. Will be forever associated with
Speaker 1: food poisoning for you. So that's too bad. And as
Speaker 1: far as I understand that she is now she's been
Speaker 1: with her boyfriend for like four years. So ever since
Speaker 1: that she the next boy she dated became her. You
Speaker 1: were good luck Chuck in that situation. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny. For the longest time, I thought I was
Speaker 1: good luck Chuck. I was like every girl that I
Speaker 1: like date or going a couple of days, so it
Speaker 1: seems to find like their fiance afterwards. And it's funny.
Speaker 1: I was playing golf with my buddy yesterday who was
Speaker 1: saying the same thing, Like the last two girls he dated,
Speaker 1: one is now pregnant and the other one is like
Speaker 1: engaged to be married, and this is like within a
Speaker 1: matter of like eight months. And so he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I feel like good luck Chuck, and I hate that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna splip that. But you can be a good
Speaker 1: example that it doesn't have to always be like that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, I agree, And eventually you'll find your
Speaker 1: own person too. So hopefully, hopefully, if you have a
Speaker 1: couple of bad first dates men on bumble or not,
Speaker 1: you stick through and just keep giving it a chance.
Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it. For this week's episode of
Speaker 1: Help I Suck At Dating, Sydney. I'm just gonna keep
Speaker 1: saying you last name, because now that I can say
Speaker 1: it properly, I like it. So Sydney, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for joining us, Thanks for having me. And it's
Speaker 1: Sydney Lutwaco now, but soon enough it's got to be
Speaker 1: what's nixt last name weeby, so it would be Sydney
Speaker 1: wee bey Sydney Man. Yeah. A lot of wise, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a lot of wise. Very cheery, Sydney. Thank you for
Speaker 1: joining us. For the listeners out there to be sure
Speaker 1: to tune into what a Girl wants and be sure
Speaker 1: to tune into Sydney's other podcasts. Remind them the name
Speaker 1: of it again, Sydney. Something to share every Wednesday? Something
Speaker 1: to share that's right? Um? What else? Big? Thank you
Speaker 1: to Shaquille for joining us on the podcast, and please
Speaker 1: email us, you guys live time I talked about this,
Speaker 1: I begged for some emails, so I second dating at
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Speaker 1: will be sure to discuss them on the podcast. Be
Speaker 1: sure to tune in next week where maybe we suck
Speaker 1: just a little bit less fingers crossed. Follow help by
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