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Speaker 1: Hi, you guys, Welcome back to Killer Thriller Docu edition.

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Speaker 1: So today we are exploring the explosive true story behind

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Speaker 1: one of the most infamous financial scandals in history. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure most of you guys have seen or The Wolf

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Speaker 1: of Wall Street, while we are talking about the real

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Speaker 1: Wolf of Wall Street. And it's a three part documentary

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Speaker 1: series that takes a closer look at Jordan Belfort, his

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Speaker 1: Stratonokmon Empire, and the people who witnessed the rise and

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Speaker 1: fall of the firm that became synonymous with nineteen nineties excess.

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Speaker 1: I was obsessed with this film, you guys, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: a lot of you were as well. It starred Leonardo DiCaprio.

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Speaker 1: It was crazy and over the top and sort of

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Speaker 1: sexy and then kind of you know, like these guys

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Speaker 1: were just total assholes. But anyway, the series goes the

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Speaker 1: true series goes beyond the Hollywood version of the events,

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Speaker 1: so features never before seen footage, thousands of internal FBI documents,

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Speaker 1: archival interviews, and first hand accounts from those who were

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Speaker 1: closest to Jordan Belfort. And joining us today are Ross

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Speaker 1: Portnoy and Howie Gelfin. So they were two participants in

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Speaker 1: the documentary, and they actually share their personal experiences with

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Speaker 1: Strattonopmont and the culture that fueled its success and the

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Speaker 1: aftermath that followed. So we're going to talk to them

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Speaker 1: and separate fact from fiction, so you know the reality

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Speaker 1: behind Jordan Belfort's larger than life persona, why the story

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Speaker 1: continues to captivate audiences more than thirty years later. I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited to talk to these guys. I was again

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Speaker 1: obsessed with the movie, their characters in the movie, and

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Speaker 1: I want to know what's true and what's not. So

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Speaker 1: let's bring them in. Hi, guys, welcome to the pod.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Killer Thriller.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for having me, you too, thank.

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Speaker 1: You for being here. I have to say I have

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Speaker 1: to start off by saying, it's sort of a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to be talking to two people who are not involved

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Speaker 1: in some gruesome murder, kidnapping, rape, awful. Although I don't

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Speaker 1: know exactly what went on, it's strattening. I think I

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Speaker 1: do now after watching.

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Speaker 3: So far You're in the clear.

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Speaker 1: So far, whew, so far in the clear. But again,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys. I have to tell you that I

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Speaker 1: really enjoyed the documentary. What how did this. Obviously, I

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Speaker 1: saw the movie and I was obsessed. I was just

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Speaker 1: saying that to our listeners before. I love that movie,

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Speaker 1: and I've had like a picture in my head from

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Speaker 1: the movie of how the whole thing went down, and

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Speaker 1: it all seemed like it was the most fun. When

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Speaker 1: I watched the documentary, it does not seem like it

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Speaker 1: was all fun and games. So tell me how the documentary,

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Speaker 1: How did this happen? Who decided let's tell the truth,

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Speaker 1: true story.

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Speaker 2: True, true story? Is I, as you've seen in documentary.

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Speaker 2: I have videos that I've had certainly do in my

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Speaker 2: bed for thirty five years. We've moved. When I got

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Speaker 2: the busy, you know, I've had the videos. When the

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Speaker 2: movie came out, a lawyer friend of mine was friendly

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Speaker 2: with somebody entertainment tonight, brought me up there. They offered

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Speaker 2: me x amount of dollars no legals. I said, have

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Speaker 2: a nice day and I moved on. I reached out

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Speaker 2: to Jordan and said, I have the media is all

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Speaker 2: over me. Do you want my videos? And he goes absolutely,

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Speaker 2: I'm on my way to Australia. Called my assistant. I

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Speaker 2: And when Jordan found out I want them for money

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Speaker 2: because he stows me money whatever, he told me to

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Speaker 2: scratch my ass and move on, you know, lose my number. Right,

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Speaker 2: These videos are it brings out the sense of the partying,

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Speaker 2: the craziness, not the true sense of you know, the

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Speaker 2: movie depicts a lot, but this is the real side

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Speaker 2: of what went on. And they and I finally, I've

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Speaker 2: been working on this for thirteen years since the video,

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Speaker 2: my story and it ended up that we all got

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Speaker 2: together Paramount will you know license my videos, and and

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Speaker 2: here we are, He's finally playing.

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Speaker 1: You know, I feel like the difference there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of differences in terms of the documentary in the movie,

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Speaker 1: but I felt sad for you guys, right, And I

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Speaker 1: that kind of just just microcosm of sex, drugs, rock

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Speaker 1: I like being able to see the whole thing from

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason I got involved with this whole documentary

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Speaker 3: is because someone said the word real. I said, I

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Speaker 3: if this there was a genuine interest in the real story,

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Speaker 3: not that fairy tale that I watched in the movie theaters.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was kind of a fairy tale I'm in. Yeah, listen,

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Speaker 1: there was stuff that they didn't show, which I'm very

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Speaker 1: taking a shit on the table or whatever. But that

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Speaker 2: But on the other side of that, think about these

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Speaker 2: girls again, nothing against women power, all that it was

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Speaker 2: not all of them, most of them did for a living.

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Speaker 2: You know, like at his bachelor party, there were girls

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Speaker 2: great time and you know, whatever they did, they did,

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Speaker 2: but they got paid pretty well to that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I would certainly hope so because what

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Speaker 1: just awful. But anyway, so tell me what you guys

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Speaker 1: think the biggest misconception is in terms of the movie

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Speaker 1: versus the documentary. What did the movie get wrong? And

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Speaker 3: The firm closed and not one federal authority, local authority.

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Speaker 3: No one came to that office for months. There was

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Speaker 1: That was very Hollywood, right, very Hollywood.

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Speaker 3: And I know because I got one of my friends

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Speaker 3: to play one of the FBI agents.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, And.

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Speaker 3: You know it's sat dormant with all the finals and

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Speaker 3: all of this and all of that. But that's just

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Speaker 3: one of a lot that they got wrong. So that's

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Speaker 3: why you know, I was missing and a lot that

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I saw the movie with my older brother it was

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Speaker 3: a very reserved guy attorney. And when we walked out

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Speaker 3: it's bullshit. But it was entertaining. And and my brother

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's what. Yeah, that's how it felt when

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Speaker 1: a lot, I thin good part a lot to do

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Speaker 1: with your home movies were us?

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Speaker 2: They what a lot to the table because obviously they're

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Speaker 2: virgin movies. Nobody's seen them other than some friends that

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Speaker 2: you know, I showed some friends over the years, right,

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Speaker 2: But you know, the chaos was there. You know I

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Speaker 2: got one because I did printing. I was the print

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Speaker 1: Right, wait, can I ask you something? So when you

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Speaker 1: actually a securities attorney and he actually did IPOs in

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Speaker 1: the nineties, like he was he remembers all of this

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Speaker 1: with as Goldman and Ray Dirks. You guys probably knew

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Speaker 1: these guys, right, So, but would he would go to

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Speaker 1: get a xerox machine. He would go to the printer

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Speaker 1: and was it like that, is that what you were doing?

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Speaker 2: I did all the internal I did not do any

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Speaker 2: financials for them. Well, you have got suspectuses that were

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Speaker 2: printed out on huge web presses, and like the news,

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Speaker 2: they would just print it out and yes, they had

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Speaker 2: change of word. I printed business cards. I told somebody

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Speaker 2: before Stratton had six seven hundred brokers and I printed

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Speaker 2: made one hundred and twenty five thousand dollars just on

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Speaker 1: You were literally printing out all the stuff they needed.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pocket folder, the in searchs, the the brochure,

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Speaker 2: the business card, and the album. Every phone call that

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Speaker 1: Okay, wait, and also just remind me which characters who

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Speaker 1: played you guys.

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Speaker 2: In the movie I'm in the book.

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Speaker 3: From what I heard, Well, everyone, but from a legal

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Speaker 3: perspective only. In Leonardo DiCaprio played one person, Jordan. Everyone

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Speaker 3: else was a composition, and apparently Jonah Hill was a

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Speaker 1: So now that we have the real, real in terms

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Speaker 1: the film. So forgive me if I'm making you repeat

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Speaker 1: some information, But what drew you Stratonokmont, what do you

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Speaker 1: think was it?

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Speaker 2: Jordan?

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Speaker 1: Was it the idea of this money?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: You know?

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Speaker 3: I saw I saw on the phone a guy that

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Speaker 3: would have been voted the most likely person to fail

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Speaker 3: walked over to him because I heard these numbers and

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Speaker 3: I was like, what, I was making thirty five thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars a year and I was hearing ten twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: a month. I said, rich, what what do you make

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Speaker 3: for like, you know, twenty to thirty thousand a month.

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Speaker 3: And it was at that point, I said, howie, if

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Speaker 3: you don't make one hundred thousand dollars a month, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I remember that seriously considered killing yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you did really say that to yourself,

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Speaker 1: But I did hear you say that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was my buying I was in.

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Speaker 1: You still feel that attached, Like in terms of money,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think like, oh god, no good I played.

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Speaker 3: I was a contestant on he who dies with the

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Speaker 3: could be more miserable than I was. Now, coming up

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Speaker 3: on fourteen years of sobriety, I have my much ex

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Speaker 3: serenity of peace, the most amazing relationship with my kids.

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Speaker 3: So a lot back then, it was the next watch,

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Speaker 2: And he had Napoleon complex, So he was Napoleon. He

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Andy tells that story. Yeah, Andy was very Andy

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Speaker 1: He's just oh he's handsome. He should Yeah, you don't

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Speaker 2: Listen, I don't like him.

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Speaker 2: He did a number on his first wife. That's the kicker,

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Speaker 1: Come on, I would you guys have talked about that

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Speaker 1: What was her name?

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Speaker 1: I hope she's doing well.

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Speaker 2: about it. But he still to this day mocks it.

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Speaker 2: all his demented thinking and his hype and to glamorize

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Speaker 2: You know, it's all talking about and he wrote about

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Speaker 2: like why why you don't? But that's that's the hatred

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Speaker 1: I don't blame you one bit. I will tell you

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Speaker 2: Do you have videos from the sinking of the yacht?

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Speaker 2: And the true part of that story is when the

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Speaker 2: He was up with the bridge with the captain. We

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Speaker 2: We left with nothing. It all went down with the boat.

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Speaker 2: We were not allowed, ex wife, we'd had a product bag,

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Speaker 2: time to sue, well, when Joy got his seven point

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Speaker 2: Instead of him saying here's the money you lost, he

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm all over the place, so forgive me because

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Speaker 2: I think what he does is he goes to fortune

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Speaker 2: He's got to get the gab. He's how he's got

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Speaker 2: He's never once come forward and said I'm sorry, please

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Speaker 2: said to him, Jordan, how much of Strattonokmunt was real

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Speaker 1: Do you think he did he ever meet with any

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately it's net worth, but yeah, that's the only person

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Speaker 1: of his money.

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Speaker 2: Or there were thousands of people. This was just one person, right.

440
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,560
Speaker 1: No, but the one that actually right, the one that actually.

441
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Speaker 2: Doc that's blurred out, is not him.

442
00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,040
Speaker 1: Howie, what about you? Have you ever met me these

443
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: these guys that you convinced to invest with you or women,

444
00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:54,160
Speaker 1: men or women?

445
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,480
Speaker 3: Well, you know, on one of the podcasts, I was

446
00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: asked in order to do what I was doing and

447
00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:02,480
Speaker 3: what was being asked of me, I had to stay

448
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:05,720
Speaker 3: anesthetized twenty four to seven. I had to be stumped

449
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:10,159
Speaker 3: because there is no way that I could do what

450
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 3: I was doing with a clear head. You know, there

451
00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 3: are some people that got involved with that place good intentions.

452
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: Thought I was starting at a normal brokerage firm and

453
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:22,760
Speaker 3: then before you know it, making all this money and

454
00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 3: where am I going? Like I said, golden handcuffs. But

455
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:27,640
Speaker 3: then there were some bad people that really didn't give

456
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Speaker 3: a shit.

457
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Speaker 2: You know.

458
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Speaker 3: Oh, you want me to bury your body, I'll bury

459
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Speaker 3: your body. You want me to sell a stock, I'll

460
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Speaker 3: sell a stock. You want me to throw a hatchet

461
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,200
Speaker 3: or your wife's had no problem, you know. So it

462
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 3: was all all these combination of people. But the one

463
00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 3: thing you would hit on, Jen was that Hollywood's not

464
00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 3: going to show the ugly side of it. You know,

465
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Speaker 3: Goodfellas wouldn't be the legend.

466
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Speaker 1: It is glamorous in some way.

467
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Speaker 3: Right if you saw Joe Pesh, you all of a

468
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 3: sudden crying have to re shoot someone or whatever the

469
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: case might be. And there's plenty of people, you know.

470
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Speaker 3: I even mentioned that some of the some of these people,

471
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: the investors and so on and so forth. Yes, were

472
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Speaker 3: they duped one hundred percent? Were they greedy, yes, No

473
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:23,040
Speaker 3: one had a gun to their head. Their interest was

474
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Speaker 3: in putting money in a stock market, making money.

475
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Speaker 1: I totally hear what you're saying. But I'm also curious,

476
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 1: because you do hear hear of the grandmothers that answer

477
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Speaker 1: the phone that has to exist.

478
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Speaker 3: I don't have, and I've had a lot of experience there.

479
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 3: And one of the one of the very few rules

480
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: that you couldn't open an account with someone who was

481
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Speaker 3: worth less than a million dollars, less.

482
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Speaker 1: Than one hundred dollars.

483
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, but then then you were free to rob the million, but.

484
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Speaker 1: He had to be as you think that actually stood up.

485
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Speaker 3: No, there really wasn't. In know I firsthand. I would

486
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 3: have had accounts with people who had lost their last hour.

487
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Speaker 1: What do you think was the worst thing that you did?

488
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Speaker 1: And I'm talking about forget Jordan for a minute, looking

489
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Speaker 1: back on it, what do you feel? And I know you,

490
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're in the program or what. Yeah,

491
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,679
Speaker 1: it's sober, so obviously you know you've probably been through

492
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: the steps and made amends and all of that. But

493
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Speaker 1: when you look back and what is the thing that

494
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Speaker 1: you regret the most?

495
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Speaker 3: A guy that I became very very friendly with, truly friendly,

496
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 3: And while I'm trading his account and killing him, he's

497
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,840
Speaker 3: sending flowers to my mother at the home because she

498
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:48,520
Speaker 3: had just gotten out of bypass surgery. And you yeah,

499
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:54,520
Speaker 3: for me apart because he came to New York City

500
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,159
Speaker 3: a couple of times. I went to UH where he

501
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 3: lived a couple of times, and really just the sweetest,

502
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 3: sweetest guy. And I gotta tell you, on the flip side,

503
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: one of the best things I ever did was I

504
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:17,359
Speaker 3: screwed one of these firms, one of the Stratton spinoff firms.

505
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:23,400
Speaker 3: I screwed for one hundred grand and convinced him right.

506
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: He lost well over a million dollars. I said, you're

507
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 3: gonna have to trust me, You're gonna have to send

508
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:33,000
Speaker 3: me money, and I'm going to send you back an

509
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 3: extra hundred thousand. This was probably a year after everything

510
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: fell out, and because we had that relationship.

511
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Speaker 1: Still there's something about the fact that you can't take

512
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: that accountability. I don't know if Jordan ever maybe people

513
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 1: see him, maybe he makes speeches about it, but whether

514
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 1: on YouTube who absolutely know him feel if you too

515
00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 1: feel like he ever did take accountability or felt badly

516
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: about the people whose lives he destroyed.

517
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Speaker 2: I never saw it, never heard it.

518
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 3: I would bet dollars to donuts. The only thing he's

519
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: sorry about is that he didn't take more money.

520
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: Ross. You said that you you were just the printer,

521
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: so you were actually legit. Do you look back on

522
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:10,640
Speaker 1: that time and have regrets?

523
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Speaker 2: Well, I still think that, and I've said it in

524
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 2: one of my I think I even said it in

525
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 2: the podcast and the documentary that I regret making that

526
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 2: money as much as I earned it, and I worked

527
00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,359
Speaker 2: hard to get it, but it was blood money. It

528
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 2: really blood money. Looking back at it, it was blood money. Yeah, yeah,

529
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 2: that much. You know. I enjoyed the lifestyle like I'm

530
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,000
Speaker 2: never going to say that. I you know, living on

531
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Speaker 2: Charudy yachts and then he buys the Nadine yacht and

532
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 2: you know, doing all that and traveling was beyond I

533
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,240
Speaker 2: would have never had afforded to do that with my

534
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,639
Speaker 2: regular printing business. Where I met him, right lived the

535
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 2: crazy lifestyle for sixteen.

536
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Speaker 1: My father was he at one point a million years ago,

537
00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,520
Speaker 1: had that kind of money and lived that kind of

538
00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: life for probably in the eighties, right and lost it all.

539
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: He was living high on the hog. And I don't know,

540
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: I feel like he's still to this day is and

541
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: he's eighty four years old, but he lives his life

542
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: dreaming of that time or trying somehow do you miss

543
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: anything about it?

544
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 3: I'm extremely grateful, As I tell my kids, I have

545
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 3: two of the greatest kids in the world. Nineteen twenty

546
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:24,200
Speaker 3: three at least, I think.

547
00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: So.

548
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 3: I'll have to check my tattoo I have the birth

549
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:30,000
Speaker 3: dates on it. I said, this isn't the path I

550
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 3: would have chosen. I didn't want to make zillions of

551
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,520
Speaker 3: dollars the wrong way. And become homeless. I was homeless,

552
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 3: really homeless, penniless. I walked into Social Services with Ferragamolofers

553
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 3: and Louis Vauton luggage, not to be an asshole, but

554
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,119
Speaker 3: because that's the only thing I own. That this was

555
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 3: the life I had. And I was evicted sheriff's note

556
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: on the door. I had played out every card I

557
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 3: could because.

558
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: No one left to turn to do you have no

559
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: relationships where you're you know, family friends.

560
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 3: I burned everyone. I burned everyone. I was borrowing from

561
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 3: Peter to pay Paul to keep the TV on. You know,

562
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 3: And as I always tell my kids, this isn't It's

563
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 3: not like I was just a guy making fifty thousand

564
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: dollars a year that became a drug addict and lost

565
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: it all. I was at the high of highs you

566
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,399
Speaker 3: only see in movies and the low of loves you

567
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: only see in movies. I was a bowery bump living

568
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 3: in Squalor. Wow. And completely turned my life around.

569
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: And you feel satisfied now, like I do. Think of

570
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:45,360
Speaker 1: my own father, I and again he's eighty four years old,

571
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 1: but like I feel like he was always trying to

572
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 1: get back there. You and It sounds to me like

573
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: you are so well, gratitude is everything right, sounds like

574
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: you're very great time.

575
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 2: I'm wrong.

576
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, you know, if you feel like,

577
00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: do you miss anything about that life?

578
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: One thing? I you know, I reinvented myself.

579
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: What do I do now?

580
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: I was gifted for my dad to have what he

581
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 2: was golden hands. I built furniture. I put a full

582
00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 2: workshop in my basement. My father was had could do anything.

583
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 2: He too. You know, he was in a garment center.

584
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: He ended up opening up ten fabric stores in a

585
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: warehouse with a partner. And his partner was a Jewish

586
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: guy that was like a little connected and stole from

587
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 2: my parents and everything went crumbling. So my parents who

588
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 2: never had anything same as your dad. Not that they

589
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 2: were millionaires, but they were up there. You know. I

590
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 2: got the Cadillac Essentral actitioning in nineteen seventy whatever it was.

591
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 2: But he too, But he didn't miss what he had

592
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,600
Speaker 2: because he really didn't expect that to happen. But I did.

593
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 2: He reinvented himself. He always said, got these golden hands,

594
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 2: and he started doing furniture and making a living. And

595
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm the same way, as long as I could afford

596
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 2: to take care of my two daughters, my wife and

597
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: live a decent life, which I've redone. I've you know,

598
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 2: I have a decent life of a beautiful home. I'm happy.

599
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: I don't to be a millionaire and have the yachts

600
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: to planes. You know, everybody would love that. But with

601
00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 2: that comes bad, you know, it's it's not always glorified.

602
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: It's bad that comes with all that stuff. I don't

603
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 2: need that, ded.

604
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 3: I want to put it in perspective. You're talking about

605
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: someone who bought a Ferrari on a credit card. UH

606
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 3: had every car brand you could ever think of. I

607
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 3: crashed everyone eighteen car crashes. And these were not Hondas

608
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: and Toyotas. These were all high end sports cars that

609
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: life one hundred thousand dollars credit line at every casino,

610
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 3: non to mankind a thirteen thousand dollars a month drug

611
00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 3: habit just on kayludes.

612
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I have to cut you off because I

613
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: can't forget to ask this question and then we're going

614
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 1: to get back to it. What the hell was so

615
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: great about Quaila? I do LODs is like a drug

616
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 1: that people did to just chill.

617
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 3: I'm going to give you the inside scoop on something

618
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 3: that no one has you ready, yay, I don't think

619
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Speaker 3: anyone in regards to this whole production note, but the

620
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 3: original Quaylude. Once this podcast is over, I invite you

621
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 3: to google. I have on the original Quaylude. It has

622
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 3: the number seven fourteen.

623
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: And that said is correct.

624
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,000
Speaker 1: It's a what do you call it?

625
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: A quaylude? The original pill had on it the.

626
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: What does that mean?

627
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: That it's that that's the name of it was Horror

628
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,640
Speaker 2: seven fourteen, and then there was Lemons seven fourteen, the

629
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,800
Speaker 2: Auroras with three hundred milligrams and the Lemons with five

630
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: hundred milligrams. So whatever it was worth, it's like when

631
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 2: you see a pill and it's got a number on

632
00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: it's got a number. This one's happened to have seven fourteen.

633
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 2: And that's the heat of the release.

634
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: Oh wow, I didn't put it together.

635
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: Wow.

636
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,520
Speaker 3: I literally went from that life to living in a

637
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: sober house with eleven other people. Government gave me forty

638
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 3: dollars a month, and I'm halfway. I'm halfway through a

639
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: book that'll be done sooner later.

640
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 1: I was hoping you were going to say that.

641
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been working with a New York Times best

642
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:11,480
Speaker 3: selling author. He's my ghostwriter. Cool and there was a

643
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 3: there's a chapter snapple or Razors, and I'm addicted to

644
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 3: diet peach snapple. And I used to think to myself

645
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: long and hard, do I want to get a fresh

646
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 3: razor today?

647
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: Or snap?

648
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: Can you imagine? Well, you can't imagine you lived it.

649
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: First of all, I'm a little worried ROSSI you have

650
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: a big bottle of play ludes. But we could talk

651
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: about that another time.

652
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 2: Had a big bottle. It's a small bottle that happened

653
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: to be back in the day. It was a sample.

654
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: When you went, I thought.

655
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 1: You were hauling the bottle up for me that.

656
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: You got it. I was like, you know, ironically the

657
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: bottle that is in the movie that I've got Jordan,

658
00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 2: he got him one hundred pills to ten grand. My

659
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 2: friend Rob still has the bottle, the actual bottle I

660
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: have in my safe. Two of these was the original

661
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: play Lutes and the Lemon seven fourteen, which is that

662
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: was the So to answer your question, back in the

663
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 2: I was printed for all the nightclubs and the promoters

664
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 2: right with a drug a choice. So like I know

665
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: and I don't.

666
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: We don't talk it. We're talking too much about kueludes.

667
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: But I was just curious, like what was the big deal?

668
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: But they just chook you out.

669
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 2: It got you into a place that you were, you

670
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 2: felt good. Coke got you into a place where once

671
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: you ran out of coke, you would delusional. You were depressed.

672
00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 2: The quailudes you partied, you had a great time, and

673
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: you went home, went to sleep.

674
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: Got it? Okay? Okay? And I guess when you do

675
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: that many of any drug, you're gonna get high.

676
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: So would take three out of the gate. And trust me,

677
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: if I took three out of the gate, I wouldn't

678
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 2: be having this conversation with you. So his talents was

679
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 2: up here?

680
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: Did anyone open us?

681
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 3: Not that I know of, No, because you know it

682
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: wasn't like a fentanyl lace drug back then. Yeah, And

683
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 3: I took the you know, I followed directions on the bottle.

684
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 3: It said take one every five hours. I have what

685
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 3: they call pharmacy DYSLEXI I took five.

686
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: Everyone, Now exactly, do I feel like doing the documentary

687
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 1: has brought you peace and closure a little bit? I mean,

688
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: you know it must be so weird and so full

689
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: circle now that this is out.

690
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm involved for years, way more than how

691
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 2: we you know, obviously how we lived it. It's been

692
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,479
Speaker 2: a part of my life for years. My present wife

693
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 2: has not stopped hearing about it for the last way

694
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 2: together twenty five years, and it's just been a part

695
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: of my life, especially when the book came out and

696
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: then the movie came out, and then all the things

697
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: in between, with people wanting my videos as a Nadine

698
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: and Netflix all that she's sick of tired hearing it.

699
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 2: But yeah, I feel great that it's finally here, and

700
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 2: I just hope it. It's not just that, you know,

701
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 2: my PTSD is going to be relieved, it's I'm happy

702
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 2: and I want more importantly, And as I explained to

703
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 2: other podcasters that the drug how he talks about the

704
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 2: drugs and still talks about him, how it was great

705
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,319
Speaker 2: in this you have the new generation which is so

706
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 2: different than what we had back then, and it tugs

707
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: and he's promoting it. And my very close friends Victor

708
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: and Diane seven months ago was their thirty five year

709
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 2: old son twenty year addiction with a needle in his arm,

710
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 2: fent and all.

711
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: So did my friend Brady, and like lost her son

712
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: six years ago. He was nineteen.

713
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: It's just the heroin or the cooke if you take

714
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 2: nan x or something like that.

715
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 1: What I said, God was a percoset. I know a

716
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: whole different world.

717
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 3: And you just hit on one of the major reasons

718
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 3: that I'd like the idea of the documentary. Not only

719
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 3: was it pitched to me that it was going to

720
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 3: be real, which were apparently and I haven't seen it.

721
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:03,680
Speaker 3: I'll see episode one tonight. It was also my opportunity

722
00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 3: to help people through whatever podcast like this or whatever

723
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 3: it goes from here to a book, people battling addiction,

724
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 3: people battling obesity, and me winning that battle even if

725
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: I had to fight, even if I had to fight

726
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 3: it twice, and being able to help people again not

727
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 3: the path I would have chosen. But nonetheless, I'm the

728
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 3: guy that looks to my right in my car and

729
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 3: I see a woman or a man with a face

730
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: and oh, because they don't have the newest Mercedes. It's

731
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 3: last year's Mercedes, and I go, holy shit, I can't

732
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: believe New York State gave me a driver's license back.

733
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: That's so important. I love that. I mean, I think

734
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: that that's like if you go through shit like this, right,

735
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 1: and you go through the good, the bad, and the ugly,

736
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:52,840
Speaker 1: it sounds like there was the movie. It made it

737
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 1: sound like it was there was more fun than anything else.

738
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 1: Obviously that wasn't true. But the fact that you guys,

739
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 1: all these years later are able to look back maybe

740
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 1: without regret because of the place that you're in now,

741
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 1: and to have that kind of perspective, I don't think

742
00:37:07,320 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: that's easy to come by. I think they're probably a

743
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: lot of guys I could be wrong, who are still

744
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: wishing that they were living that life. A lot of

745
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,760
Speaker 1: the guys that you worked with that still wish maybe

746
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: that they could go back.

747
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 3: I chase speaking at rehabs like I used to chase his.

748
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: I chased them down they're always looking for speakers, and said,

749
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: here you go. Plus, I got a pretty interesting story

750
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 3: I was involved with. And it feels good because you

751
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 3: know what, I get to leave. I'm not an inmate.

752
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 2: I get that I'm.

753
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 3: Not sitting on that uncomfortable fucking chair I sat on

754
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: for I don't know five in patients, four out patients,

755
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 3: three in patients, and a partridge in a pantry. I mean,

756
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 3: it's crazy.

757
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 2: Ross.

758
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:50,760
Speaker 1: Did your kids see the movie?

759
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 2: Uh? Yes they did. Actually, my older daughter is the

760
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 2: one that Jordan's holding when he's looted when we're in

761
00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: Manhattan at p. Seventeen, She's not thrilled with what's going

762
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: on today with you know that I'm finally doing this,

763
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: but I have to do it for me. I mean

764
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 2: it's I've had so much anger we had. I don't

765
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: want to get into what Jordan and I had done

766
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:12,879
Speaker 2: at the end, because he accused me and my ex

767
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: wife of breaking up book starting his divorce, which was

768
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: the furthest thing from the tree him. He'd every point,

769
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 2: thing is everybody else, everybody else, everybody else. But to

770
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,400
Speaker 2: answer your use a big niss to answer your question.

771
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: Out of the six hundred brokers, and that's just one firm,

772
00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 2: there were numerous firms. Out of all these brokers, it's

773
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 2: only a handful like Howie, like Bronson that have reinvented

774
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 2: themselves and made a life for themselves. Because how do

775
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 2: we go from making whether it's hundreds of thousand dollars

776
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 2: or millions of dollars at a young age and now

777
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,959
Speaker 2: get a job for twenty we're talking thirty five years ago.

778
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: They brought the twenty thousand dollars and you got to work.

779
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, humility. Right, So they're telling me that I have

780
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: to wrap. Apparently you guys have lots of places to be.

781
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 1: But I really loved having you. I could go on,

782
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,280
Speaker 1: but apparently do it again. It's a real pleasure you guys.

783
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: I really, I really really enjoyed the film. It was

784
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: It was such I liked it so much better than

785
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: the movie. I like the documentary better.

786
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 3: Something said for the truth, Yes, something for the truth.

787
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: All right, guys, take pleasure. Nice to meet you both.

788
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: Well, bye guys, Bye,