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Speaker 1: Michael, how are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm good? How is Payne?

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Speaker 1: Lindsay? He's tired. This whole podcasting thing is, you know,

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Speaker 1: not as easy as it looks. You have to talk

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Speaker 1: You have to wake up at reasonable times, do zoom calls.

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Speaker 1: It's actually pretty sweet. Yeah. I was gonna say, there's

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Speaker 4: That first episode. It just there's so much pressure to

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Speaker 1: Lay it all out there for you. It's hard when

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Speaker 1: my head is in another place deep in this case,

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Speaker 1: And so it is always an interesting exercise to kind

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Speaker 1: to check out the show. Season four drops in ten

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Speaker 1: making true crime podcasts right here on Talking to Death. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about being able to present this to you

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Speaker 1: But obviously we're all human and I do have personal

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Speaker 2: podcasters in the country that put you in the top ten.

436
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:37,879
Speaker 2: You know, you have the Midas touch, so many of

437
00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: your shows go into the top ten. You have you

438
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 2: just have a really for whatever reason, you're this kind

439
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 2: of like.

440
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 1: Whacking your now you weird mother.

441
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 2: You look like, you know, an ecstasy swilling club kid.

442
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 2: Thank you, but you for some reason, I'll tell your

443
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: kid drugs. You look like you'd sell someone Molly at Coachella, But.

444
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 1: I know the good kind of molly, yeah, yeah, not

445
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: the you know, overdose, not the Bathtub.

446
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:13,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but you know, you've you've been incredibly successful,

447
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:16,879
Speaker 2: mostly in true crime, but you know, yeah Radio Rental

448
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 2: and High Strange and many other great shows. And how

449
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,520
Speaker 2: does that feel for you? Does it feel like does

450
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 2: it feel like, well, I want the TV deal or

451
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 2: I want Tenderfoot to be bought by Amazon, or why

452
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 2: I want to cash in in this way? And how

453
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 2: I how come no one's approached me to have a

454
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 2: you know, my own show or you know, do you

455
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:39,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean?

456
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: Like I mean totally, I mean like when Up and

457
00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 1: Vanished became successful, that was the first time I'd ever

458
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:50,160
Speaker 1: gotten the taste of of anything like that, And it

459
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: was to me a culmination of all the work I'd

460
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 1: done throughout my whole career, going back to being doing

461
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:00,639
Speaker 1: my own music and doing music videos and eventually telling

462
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: my own true crime story. And once it started clicking,

463
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: you know, a part of me, for the sustainability of

464
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: my own future and to have a career and to

465
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: no longer be a starting artist, was going to grab

466
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: on to the horns and never let go. And the

467
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: first thought I had after up in Vanish was I

468
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 1: don't want to be known just as the up and

469
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: Vanish Guy. This was a conscious thought that I had.

470
00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: So I went and made Atlanta Monster, and then I

471
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: went on tour. Then I made up in Vantish season

472
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,359
Speaker 1: two that I made Radio Rental, and and then I

473
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 1: looked up one day I was like, you know what

474
00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,160
Speaker 1: liill happened over these four years? Like how did I

475
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 1: I'm in a house that I bought? Now, how did

476
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: I get here? Right? And it wasn't really until last

477
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,679
Speaker 1: year when I was working on High Strange that I

478
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: had this sort of eye opening moment and I realized

479
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: editing an episode of High Strange that this this moment

480
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: that I was in is like the pinnacle of my happiness.

481
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: I love building this world. I like having set this up,

482
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 1: and I'm in full control over this this thing, and

483
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 1: it's fun and it's all for the right reasons, and

484
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,440
Speaker 1: it's all these different boxes are checked and so it's

485
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:17,520
Speaker 1: not about doing this to get here, it's about being

486
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: able to keep doing this at all or having.

487
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: Well that's good, that's very healthy in a way where.

488
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: It's like just doing it is kind of the point

489
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:26,800
Speaker 1: for me, I think, But look.

490
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 2: Man, this is how we're both so lucky. We're we

491
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:33,240
Speaker 2: both get to tell stories. Yeah, we're storytellers in different ways.

492
00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,200
Speaker 2: An actor is a storyteller, a podcast producer, host, director,

493
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: editor is as well. And you know, the thing I

494
00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 2: love about your stories is like I'm a huge up

495
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 2: and Vanish fan, but and Atlanta Monster, Like you have

496
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 2: a social commentary running through it. It's not just salacious

497
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,919
Speaker 2: true crime, like you're like you're peeling the onion and

498
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: kind of like a little bit on how the world

499
00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,120
Speaker 2: works and even in high strange and like the conspiracies

500
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 2: around around you know, uae S and and the government

501
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 2: and cover ups and uh, it's it's dare I say

502
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: it's important, you know what.

503
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean, like like it means that that approach or Yeah.

504
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: And also the way that you did like season up

505
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,679
Speaker 2: in Vanish was it Season three them, you know on

506
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: the on the Indian reservation, like the the the the

507
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 2: injustice and the economic injustice going on and the reality

508
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: of that life, like you open that up to millions

509
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: of people.

510
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's a scary topic to try to try

511
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,160
Speaker 1: to navigate. It's like, I mean, it's it sounds messed up,

512
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 1: but it would be easier not saying I should or

513
00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: I want to to make it about a white woman,

514
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: because if there's less tape to navigate, to do it

515
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: respectfully and appropriately, and that just comes with the territory.

516
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,080
Speaker 1: And those are challenges that I want to take on

517
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: because I think that's probably reason why people who are

518
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 1: really talented don't do that, is because they don't want

519
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: to challenge themselves and stepping out of the box and

520
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,440
Speaker 1: learn something about somebody else and how their life is

521
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: different than theirs, versus doing what they know how to

522
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: do already. Yeah you know what I mean.

523
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said, well, I'm glad you made that adjustment

524
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: and that you get to just relish doing what you

525
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 2: get to do, you know. And it's true when you

526
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 2: do a season of one of your one of your shows,

527
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 2: like you're you get to be like you get to

528
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 2: be God in a way, like you're controlling the story

529
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: and the tone and that and that.

530
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: Music you don't know?

531
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 2: Yeah right right, Yeah, you're slowly dispersing.

532
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 1: You're like you're dripping out RUMs. Yeah, come on, Okay,

533
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: I'll give you a bigger one because you're getting impatient.

534
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 2: Speaking of that, I want that. I want links to

535
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 2: the new The Homely season.

536
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was also super high when I texted

537
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: you that little clip and then I was like, you know,

538
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: I just made it, Like is this too much? Is

539
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:04,240
Speaker 1: this amazing? Is this the worst shit I've ever done?

540
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't know, but I'm like,

541
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 1: here it goes.

542
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: It's awesome.

543
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: You that's my that's my beta test is like, as

544
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: I'm making the podcast, I'll export little nuggets and shoot

545
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: them out to some of my friends and you know,

546
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: just see what they say. Sometimes they say nothing. Sometimes

547
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: they're like a.

548
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: Lot of people out there in the yeah, West Beach.

549
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 1: All the way to the Riversion.

550
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: I don't want to give too much away.

551
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 1: It was really for me out by then. So that's how.

552
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: That's the cliffhanger for episode one, which comes out on

553
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: the sixteenth of February. Sweet, so this will be out. Actually,

554
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 1: it probably be almost bingeable by then. Crazy story though,

555
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: I mean, this woman went missing from Nome, Alaska. I'm

556
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: not sure if you know where that.

557
00:30:50,440 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 2: Is on a Yeah, I canally Russia.

558
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: Yeah it's so far away. Yeah, small town of three

559
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: thousand people and there's been about twenty four unsolved disappearances

560
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: in the past couple decades and just very odd numbers

561
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:09,360
Speaker 1: for the size of the population, and there's just some

562
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: nefarious shit going on over there, and it's been really

563
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 1: scary and eye opening. I think it's probably one of

564
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 1: the most in depth seasons of a show I've ever done.

565
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: Damn excited to.

566
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: Did you ever feel in danger?

567
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,720
Speaker 1: And absolutely so. Yeah, I'll just go ahead and say

568
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: this now because it'll be out or I'll just cut it.

569
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: But there was a time there's a guy, the main suspect,

570
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: and this woman was murdered. She's not just missing, she

571
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: didn't go off on her own. I believe she was murdered,

572
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 1: and there's a main suspect and her clothes or belongings

573
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: were last seen in his tent. He's the last man

574
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: to have seen her. He fled Nome after this. He's

575
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: got a big rap sheet. He's not a good guy.

576
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: And so I have a fake Facebook account that I

577
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: started years ago, so it looks kind of legit now

578
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: has been there for years. And I won't say the

579
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: name because people are gonna go fuck it up. But

580
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 1: I just started messaging him. I was like, hey, do

581
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: you miss Alaska? And I just started talking to him,

582
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,239
Speaker 1: and for whatever reason, he just took the bait, and

583
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: eventually I was trying.

584
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 2: To figure not under your name this face?

585
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: No, I catfished him and oh shit, I eventually found

586
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: out where he was. So I had the option of

587
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: going and pouncing on him and just saying, hey, boo, gotcha,

588
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: my name is Payne lindsay let's talk about this case,

589
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: which I knew he would just say fuck off. And

590
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: I was like, what's the point, Like why did I

591
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,320
Speaker 1: come here?

592
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 3: Is?

593
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 1: Was it to get that moment for the podcast or

594
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: do I step out of my comfort zone or whatever

595
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: you think the journalistic ethics should be, and trying to

596
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 1: figure out if he did it or not, because that's

597
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: what the family wants me to do. And so I

598
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: met him as this fake guy, terrified that he was

599
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: going to figure out who I was. He didn't, and

600
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: we talked for two hours on the record, and in

601
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: my opinion, said some very incriminating statements. And to this day,

602
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: I'm not fully sure if he knows if I'm paying

603
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Lendsy or not he's he's about to know, or if

604
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: he does know, and he's trying to play the game

605
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,120
Speaker 1: that I think he lost with trying to play with fire,

606
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,480
Speaker 1: and so it's a very strange thing. But it's like

607
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 1: it's what the detectives do in the movies. Yeah, it's

608
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 1: like what they do on True Detective, but no one

609
00:33:27,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: is really doing that.

610
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah yeah, but you get to do that.

611
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: But I was really doing that.

612
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah damn.

613
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: So yeah that was scary that I'll.

614
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: Be hones that sounds scary. Wow, wow, mad props man,

615
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: that's crazy.

616
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: You should tell bj Novac that I'm I wish that

617
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: I had a cameo in that movie he did about

618
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: the True Crime ding like it was so good and

619
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 1: he nailed it. They did send me some little box

620
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: or something, but they don't want the box I want,

621
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: Like I think some people like you know, not that

622
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: I'm anybody, would probably think that. I wouldn't want to

623
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 1: make fun of myself. But that's all like me and

624
00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: my team ever talk about. Is how much of a

625
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 1: trope this shit is? Sometimes?

626
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's hysterical. Yeah, I love I love

627
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 2: the way he went right into that. Uh prefix yeah,

628
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 2: totally totally listen. I talk about this in Soul Boom

629
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 2: a lot, like it's it's the ancient spiritual journey that

630
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,560
Speaker 2: we're on, and every spiritual journey has to do with

631
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 2: the ego, right, you go as far back as you want,

632
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 2: you can go to Zoroastrianism and Hinduism and Buddhism. It's

633
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: all about the ego. The ego wants pleasure, the ego

634
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 2: wants status, the ego wants control, The ego wants power,

635
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,640
Speaker 2: The ego wants kind of sex and comfort. These are

636
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 2: this is our natural egoic you know, uh, desire and

637
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: that's it's our caveman desire. In what you're saying, it's

638
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 2: humanistc there's nothing wrong, per se and on the right level.

639
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: But then when you are given billions of dollars and

640
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 2: a great deal of power, that ego can uh. And

641
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 2: I've had little tastes of that, you know, I had

642
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 2: little tastes of that kind of narcissism and entitlement.

643
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: You mean, like yeah, yeah, you checked yourself as a hey, or.

644
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: I've had to check myself at time, my wife, My

645
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,879
Speaker 2: wife has had to check me, okay, yeah yeah, So

646
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 2: like well why would you do that? Like well, just

647
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,439
Speaker 2: being kind of a self entitled prick at the height

648
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: of the office fame and doing a lot of other movies.

649
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:36,880
Speaker 1: Like you got my coffee wrong? Kind of thing or what.

650
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 2: There's so many. Yeah, they're just being you know, being short, impatient, judgmental.

651
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:50,239
Speaker 2: Like I didn't prioritize family time when my son was

652
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 2: born and really young, like, and I would just be like,

653
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: I'm too busy and you know you we need to

654
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 2: schedule this, and it's you know, my make it in

655
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 2: me right yeah, and yeah, and I'm and I'm working

656
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: hard for the family. But it was, it was it

657
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 2: wasn't actions as much as it was attitude. But I

658
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: was I could be a not pleasant there were there

659
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,480
Speaker 2: was a while there I could not be a very

660
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: pleasant guy. And so but I think that, you know,

661
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,560
Speaker 2: I look at it from from spiritual terms that we

662
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 2: everyone is struggling in some way, shape or form with

663
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: with ego. You don't have to be elon musk. You

664
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 2: don't have to be one of the characters on succession.

665
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 2: You know you can. I've met plenty of people that

666
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 2: have a very small domain right like they're they're a

667
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 2: parking attendant in a circle of like seven other parking attendants.

668
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 2: But there's a hierarchy and a struggle and a battle

669
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: for power and control and status and money.

670
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: No one's immune to it.

671
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one's immune, and we're all on that journey

672
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: to try and to quiet that that voice and to

673
00:36:54,800 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 2: seek a greater selflessness, a greater altruism and sacrificing, sacrificing time, energy,

674
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: comfort for the betterment of others. That's that's just plain

675
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: and simple. That's the spiritual path. It doesn't matter if

676
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 2: you're Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, it doesn't really matter. I'm a

677
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 2: ba High But that's that's the path we're on. And

678
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 2: your life will get healthier, deeper, richer, and wiser the

679
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 2: more you kind of embrace and love your ego but

680
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 2: recognize it and say I want to I want to

681
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: focus kind of on my on my higher self.

682
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: Is it about self clarity and uh healing? Do you

683
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: believe in a higher power or what are your thoughts?

684
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,799
Speaker 2: What do I believe? Yeah, I believe. I believe in

685
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 2: a higher power. I believe.

686
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: What does that look like or what does that mean?

687
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 2: Well, it's I. I have a chapter in the Soul

688
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 2: Boom book called the Notorious Good. So that's that's what

689
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,800
Speaker 2: I believe in, the Notorious Good. But I think God.

690
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: People have a hard time with God because God is

691
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: equated in Western culture with the patriarchy, and it's like

692
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,720
Speaker 2: big Daddy God. I call him sky Daddy, sky Daddy

693
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: with a beard, who knows everything we're doing. It's basically

694
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: Santa Claus pain, you've been naughty and nice. If you're naughty,

695
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 2: you're going to go to hell. Or you're naughty, I'm

696
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: going to punish you. And if you're nice, I'm going

697
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 2: to reward you. And this is baked into our culture, right,

698
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,399
Speaker 2: It's in the Sistine Chapel, It's in our thoughts, it's

699
00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: in our father who are in heaven, like it's on

700
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 2: the coins. Yeah. Yeah, And so for me, I had

701
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: a real revelation when I was reading about I was

702
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: really struggling with God, and a lot of people are.

703
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 2: And I was reading about the God of the Lakota

704
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: Sioux people, and the god concept in that region of

705
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,360
Speaker 2: those indigenous people is called Wa kan Tanka, which means

706
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 2: the Great Mystery. So immediately when you think about God

707
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 2: as the great Mystery, and you don't think of a man,

708
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: and you don't think of a guy, you don't think

709
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 2: of a persona with superpowers on a cloud, you start

710
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 2: thinking about the great Mystery is contained within and throughout

711
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: nature and throughout time and throughout the elements and throughout north, south,

712
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: east and west, throughout the the multiverse, that it's a

713
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,440
Speaker 2: it's a mysterious kind of creative force, like.

714
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 1: Like not an entity, but like the sum of everything or.

715
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 2: That you get you're getting closer there. I mean, I

716
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: I believe that, you know, the higher power that I

717
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: look at, I do think has some some will, So

718
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,120
Speaker 2: it's not just like a vague like electronic force or

719
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 2: something like that.

720
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 1: But there is uh more than science.

721
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: I think. I think God is more than science. I

722
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 2: think there is some volition. I think there is some

723
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 2: will coming from that, from that cosmic creative force. And

724
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,280
Speaker 2: it's funny because I sat at this exact same table

725
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: talking to Neil Brennan about the cosmic creative force weird

726
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: and in this podcast this very podcast studio, and yeah,

727
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 2: but that but that really opened my eyes to a

728
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 2: new way of thinking about God and realizing like a

729
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,919
Speaker 2: lot of people who say I don't believe in God,

730
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: I say, well, define your God, because I probably don't

731
00:40:27,640 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: believe in the God that you don't believe in.

732
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: That's my thing with with religion that's always kind of

733
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:35,840
Speaker 1: bothered me or I've struggled with, is you know, is

734
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: it that your God is real and this one is not?

735
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: You know, because I mean with a lot of religions,

736
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: you know in America, especially if you believe this, then

737
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: you're basically saying that they're wrong. Yeah, And so you know,

738
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: do you feel like the God that you believe in

739
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: is the correct one, or do you believe that there

740
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: is a God for everybody in some way or they

741
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 1: can coexist or is there anything to definitive or is

742
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 1: that not even what it's about, or I don't know.

743
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, it's what you say is exactly right.

744
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: I once heard a radio show and there was a

745
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 2: Muslim and a Jew and a Christian talking about faith

746
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: and belief and whatnot, or set up for a joke,

747
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 2: and they were talking about God and this and that,

748
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: and you know, the Muslim was referring to him as Allah,

749
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: and then the Christian pastor was like, I don't believe

750
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 2: in Allah, and what you're worshiping is not God, and

751
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: I think it's a false prophet. And because I understand

752
00:41:33,160 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 2: God as the Father of the Son and the Holy Ghost,

753
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: and I understand the Triune God, and that's that's the

754
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 2: true God, and anyone who's worshiping anything else is a

755
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 2: false it's a false god, it's an idol. And of

756
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: course that's poppycock. I mean, give me a break. I

757
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 2: think anyone who is seeking some kind of higher truth

758
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: or transcendence or beauty or higher connection beyond just kind

759
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 2: of like our kind of material bodies that are, you know,

760
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 2: eating and pooping and fucking and all the stuff that

761
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: bodies do. Anyone who's that's a connection to to something higher,

762
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: however you conceive of that, whether it's Wakan Tanka or

763
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: Allah or God or Jehovah or the Princess Gaya or

764
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:23,320
Speaker 2: you know, a wick in God or whatever, it's whatever

765
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: force is out there. So but that's throughout human history

766
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: it's been like our God versus your God and and that,

767
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: and that goes back to the Caveman days of like

768
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: we worship this rock god named Thar God, and then

769
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: you worship this log God named Govlax and our God.

770
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 2: If we conquer you, then our God is more powerful

771
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: and we're going to make you worship our God.

772
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

773
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,760
Speaker 2: That's that's tens of thousands of years, hundreds of thousands

774
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: of years people doing that, so we we have that

775
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,280
Speaker 2: kind of baked in too. Is our God versus your.

776
00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: God verse tribal sense almost right?

777
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I mean where that that goes hand

778
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: in hand. Tribalism goes hand in hand with ego. So

779
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 2: we're talking about Elon Musk, We're talking about Twitter. You know,

780
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: Twitter is a bunch of egoistic tribes.

781
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: It is.

782
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: It is the perfect showcase for egoism and tribalism. And

783
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: it's not helping the conversation. It's not helping the evolution

784
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: away from south an ego.

785
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: I do, I do always feel a little bit like

786
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: a breath of fresh air when I read some of

787
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: your tweets, because it's always like, thank God, finally someone

788
00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: who's not taking any of the shit. Seriously, it's crazy

789
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: out here, you know what I mean.

790
00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 2: I try and lighten things up.

791
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: I always appreciate it.

792
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 2: Although I used to be on Twitter every day and

793
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 2: now yeah, I send one or two out a week,

794
00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 2: and it's it's it's I don't have it on my

795
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: phone mean X right, yeah, X sorry, it's never gonna stick.

796
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: I read a story I've never heard it before that

797
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: your dad prayed away the ghosts in some Nicaroguin house

798
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 1: and it was maybe haunted with the what are you

799
00:43:57,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: talking about? What happened?

800
00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: For for real?

801
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: For real? Okay, tell me the.

802
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 2: Story for real, for real, real real, So what's for real?

803
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:08,200
Speaker 2: My family were members of the Bahai Faith and we

804
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: moved to Nicaragua in nineteen sixty nine. I was three

805
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: years old to go teach the Bahai Faith kind of

806
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 2: missionary work. But we weren't like kind of like converting

807
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: the natives. It was more it was a little more

808
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: positive than that. So there was a house for rent

809
00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: on top of the hill that was this old Victorian

810
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,440
Speaker 2: house in this town called Bluefields, Nicaragua, and it was

811
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: really cheap. And everyone was like, oh, you don't want

812
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 2: to rent that house. It's haunted, and we're like, okay,

813
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,680
Speaker 2: yeah whatever, we're Americans, fuck you. So we rented the house.

814
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 2: This is what I've learned in the years. I was

815
00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:48,880
Speaker 2: only three, so I was just running around sucking my thumb.

816
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: But apparently every night we would go to bed and

817
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,400
Speaker 2: my dad would hear these noises coming from downstairs, like

818
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: er he and then he kind of noticed, like he

819
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,359
Speaker 2: would get up in the morning and go down and like,

820
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: why are the chairs in slightly different positions? Why has

821
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 2: everything been moved a little bit? And sure enough, the

822
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 2: next night it was like going to bed in the

823
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 2: middle of the night kind of er and he's like,

824
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 2: what the hell. So he went and got a piece

825
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,720
Speaker 2: of chalk, and he went downstairs one night and drew

826
00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:36,920
Speaker 2: circles around all of the furniture and then went up

827
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 2: to sleep, heard the same noises, went down in the morning.

828
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,760
Speaker 2: Every single piece of furniture in the house had moved

829
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: by three or four inches.

830
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 1: So it's real.

831
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: It was totally real. So he was like, holy shit,

832
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 2: So this is what he did. There's a high prayer

833
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: book that's filled with all kinds of prayers, and some

834
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:02,280
Speaker 2: of the prayers there's a section like for the departed,

835
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 2: prayers that you say when someone passes, you know, for

836
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 2: the journey of their soul. And my dad and my

837
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: stepmom sat down and said every single prayer for the

838
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: departed from top to bottom and just you know, prayed

839
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: to just kind of like let the whatever souls are

840
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 2: trapped in this house or whatever force or whatever it is.

841
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what to think.

842
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: What's your dad think? It was?

843
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 2: He just thought it. He thought it. He knew it

844
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: had to be some kind of ghost. It wasn't like

845
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: a There was no one sneaking in the house, the

846
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 2: doors were locked.

847
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 1: It wasn't like what was a ghost to your dad?

848
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 2: Like, I mean, this seems like classic Poultergeist, But I don't.

849
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 1: I don't really know what my dad thought.

850
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,320
Speaker 2: He passed away a few years ago. I would have

851
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 2: asked him otherwise, but I don't know what he thought.

852
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 2: I mean, he just thought it was some kind of

853
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:52,520
Speaker 2: Poultergeist force. But after that, after they did that prayers,

854
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: it never happened again. Every single night after that there

855
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 2: were never noises and no furniture moved.

856
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: So what do you from that? Then?

857
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 2: I take from that that if you need to get

858
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: rid of a ghost, get pick yourself up of a

859
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 2: high prayer book, say all the departed prayers. Boom, problem solved, boom.

860
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 1: Is this your radio rental story or it could be?

861
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I could be. That would be pretty meta if

862
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 2: Rain Wilson called in with a radio rental story.

863
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:20,600
Speaker 1: We don't even say you're Rain Wilson though, just like

864
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: everyone else.

865
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's It's just a voice, a random voice.

866
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: Let's talk for a second about the origin of Terry Carnation,

867
00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: how that all started.

868
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 2: So I had this idea, along with my friend Aaron Lee,

869
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 2: who's a brilliant comedy writer, of this, you know, a

870
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 2: character that I could play in some kind of recurring way.

871
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: We really loved. We were huge fans of Steve Coogan

872
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,239
Speaker 2: and his character Alan Partridge. And if you know anything

873
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: about Steve Coogan, he's done straight parts and movies and

874
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 2: he's been in lots of different kinds of films and TV.

875
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 2: But at some point, maybe the early nineties or something,

876
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: he started playing this character named Alan Partridge. He started

877
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 2: as a newscaster and sportscaster. Then he had like a sitcom,

878
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 2: then he had like a podcast, and then he's written

879
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 2: audio books and he's had a bunch of different TV shows,

880
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 2: and he even has a great movie called Alpha Papa,

881
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,239
Speaker 2: this Alan Partridge comedy. And he's just dufus kind of

882
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 2: like middle class, big toothed, self important newscaster. And I

883
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,760
Speaker 2: just loved how there was an actor who had created

884
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 2: this long term character. So we were talking about, you know,

885
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 2: what kind of character could I play and how would

886
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 2: this work? And we had this idea for Terry Carnation,

887
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: and we had an idea that he would be hosting

888
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 2: a paranormal radio call in show, kind of like Coast

889
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: to Coast AM and we were inventing things about him

890
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 2: and this and that, and literally at that same time,

891
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 2: you called and we have the same podcast agent, and

892
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 2: you're like, I want to start doing this radio rental

893
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 2: and I want to have kind of like a host,

894
00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: like a cryptique keeper kind of host, or would Rain

895
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 2: do it or would he play a character? It would

896
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: be really fun because I had tweeted how much I

897
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 2: loved Atlanta Monster, which I really love that that whole

898
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: series that you did, and so you knew I was

899
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 2: a fan, and I was like, yeah, I'll do it

900
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,919
Speaker 2: if I can play Terry Carnation as the character, yeah,

901
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: kind of the host crypt keeper guy at the video

902
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 2: rental store. So that's then we just.

903
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 1: It was kind of serendipitous to me because I mean

904
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: I remember hopping on the zoom because I didn't I

905
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,839
Speaker 1: had no backup plans if you were like, hey man,

906
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: too busy, you can't do this. Yeah, I only could

907
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 1: see you in my head doing it. I don't know

908
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 1: where that even came from.

909
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's funny.

910
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: And then I was like in New York City and

911
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: I had a zoom schedule with you. I was like,

912
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 1: I was so tired. I was a little hungover too.

913
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,360
Speaker 1: I was like, I can't blow this, you know. I

914
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: was like, let me just sell him on this somehow,

915
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,040
Speaker 1: and hop on the zoom and described it to you,

916
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: and I was like, what do you mean you have

917
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: a similar character that you have. I'm like, is he

918
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: being for real? Does he think I'm being for real?

919
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:17,240
Speaker 2: Yeah?

920
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: I was like, well, shit, uh that's cool. Yeah, do

921
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: you want to do it then? Yeah? But that's been

922
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: super fun.

923
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: It's been a great collaboration, and we were able to

924
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 2: make a whole Terry Carnation show separate from Radio Rental. Yeah,

925
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 2: and that was really fun too, to kind of take

926
00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 2: him into some other that was more of a straight

927
00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: up just comedy show. And but it's been super fun.

928
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously people love the show. They're such huge

929
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:50,759
Speaker 2: fans of it. There's such a loyal fan base. But yeah,

930
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 2: that's it, and it worked out great, and I love

931
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,640
Speaker 2: working with Meredith and we have a lot of fun

932
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: doing it. People people really enjoy the show and and

933
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 2: they love following tear and Malachi his cat and their

934
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: little misadventures in between those spooky, spooky stories.

935
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: I really need your help with something. And Okay, you

936
00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: know how hard it is to sell a show in Hollywood.

937
00:51:12,880 --> 00:51:14,879
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter who you are, what you're doing. Yes,

938
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,120
Speaker 1: And you know, my vision for Radio Rental in the

939
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 1: first place was always like bigger than the podcast itself.

940
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: It would be a really fun thing to reimagine visually

941
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: in either an anthology series or a movie series or

942
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 1: whatever it is, some scripted version of it. Right, But

943
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: it's a big swing because it's they have to bet

944
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:41,319
Speaker 1: on making this world. And you know, we've gone and

945
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,359
Speaker 1: we've kicked it around a few different times, and we've

946
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: almost sold it a few different times, and you know, really,

947
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,359
Speaker 1: just selfishly, I just want to see it get made. Yeah, right, yeah,

948
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: And I'm like, you know, I care less about my

949
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: stake and I'm like, if we banded together in something

950
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,839
Speaker 1: that may sense, that didn't hurt whatever you were trying

951
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: to do.

952
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: Ep, you're putting me on the spot right here, you.

953
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 1: Sign this piece of paper right here. It would be fun, though,

954
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: I think.

955
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, that would be super fun.

956
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: It'd be cool, which we talk about it, but it.

957
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 2: Would be it is a tricky one to figure out

958
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 2: because the audio stories are so interesting. I'm not sure

959
00:52:23,800 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 2: it would be what would you want it to be though,

960
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, I haven't given any thought

961
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: to it. But if you had, well, the problem with

962
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 2: it is is I don't necessarily want to see I

963
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,719
Speaker 2: don't necessarily want to see the people telling the stories,

964
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: and do you want to? Because the obvious way, like

965
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 2: low budget way to do it on like Discovery would

966
00:52:44,200 --> 00:52:49,160
Speaker 2: be people telling spooky stories and then having reenactments. Yeah,

967
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: that's just kind of like have you ever thought about

968
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: it animated?

969
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: We have, but I feel like it deserves more than

970
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: that still, but it would still be cool because then

971
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 1: you could.

972
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:04,720
Speaker 2: Hear people's voiceovers and then animate them and get different

973
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,760
Speaker 2: animators for each story, so you didn't have a uniform

974
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: style of animation. One was more like anime, one more's

975
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 2: hand drawn, one was like AI, you know, and then

976
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 2: depending on suiting the story, then each one is like

977
00:53:17,719 --> 00:53:20,640
Speaker 2: a little black mirror, but like or is.

978
00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: It more anthology black Mirror modern pop culture? But they're

979
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: all based on true stories or creepy posters.

980
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 2: Do you guys own the rights to all the stories

981
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 2: we like, if someone comes on and tells like a

982
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:37,359
Speaker 2: ghost story or.

983
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: All the big ones, we definitely do cause we've you know,

984
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 1: even pitched those out separately, but they'd all be down to,

985
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: you know, for us to option that if they can

986
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: see it come to life. Yeah, yeah, so I mean,

987
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: and also either way it works. They always want new

988
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: stories anyways.

989
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, but I know how hard it is for

990
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,839
Speaker 2: you guys to find those stories. So it's so much work.

991
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 2: You're going on redded and you're just yeah, if I

992
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 2: was calming the internet and YouTube and you've got researchers

993
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 2: and yeah, yeah, it's a it's a slog.

994
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it'd be easier to make them up

995
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,720
Speaker 1: for those who want to talk shit. It's like, man,

996
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: if they're real, that's why it's harder. Yeah, I sign

997
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 1: myself up for that. But right, it's what it is.

998
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well we'll continue the conversation.

999
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be fun. I got to throw it in

1000
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: your ear and just you know, yeah, it might be

1001
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 1: a fresh new approach and you know.

1002
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, do it the way that I say animated. Animated

1003
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 2: stuff you could do really fun. You could do really

1004
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 2: cool stuff with it.

1005
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, what does soul Boom even mean?

1006
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: Well, the subtitle of the book is why we need

1007
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 2: a Spiritual Revolution, And I'm trying to just reinvigorate conversations

1008
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: around spirituality because spirituality either people have a knee jerk

1009
00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 2: reaction against it because it means religion and it means church,

1010
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 2: and they're like, fuck that, I don't want to have

1011
00:54:55,320 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 2: anything to do with that, right, or or it has

1012
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: to do with this really new agey namby pamby airy

1013
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: fairy kind of like crystals and incense and chakras and

1014
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 2: and it's this really like vague thing that some are

1015
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 2: yeah yeah, yeah, that you know their aunt Connie was

1016
00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 2: involved in. And they're like, oh, I don't want to,

1017
00:55:18,200 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 2: but I do think that when you strip all that away,

1018
00:55:21,680 --> 00:55:25,200
Speaker 2: take out the church, take out the new Age, spirituality

1019
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 2: means that I'm a spiritual being. I have ninety years

1020
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 2: in this fleshy, delightful, fleshy body. And what does that mean?

1021
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 2: What kind of journey am I on? What's the meaning

1022
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 2: of life? What happens when I die? Do I have

1023
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 2: free will? What is love? What is beauty?

1024
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:45,799
Speaker 1: What is God?

1025
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: We talked a little bit about God, like these big

1026
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 2: questions should be the questions that we're talking about all

1027
00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:55,919
Speaker 2: the time. And they're not church questions, right, and they're

1028
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 2: not new agey questions. They're life questions. It has as

1029
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:04,880
Speaker 2: much relevance as you know positive psychology in the study

1030
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 2: of happiness and wellness. It's the study of of what

1031
00:56:08,920 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: our souls are like. I don't believe that our consciousness

1032
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 2: comes to an end when we're eighty seven or ninety

1033
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: three or one hundred and two and then that's it,

1034
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 2: and that there's no meaning to this vast, glorious, incredible

1035
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: uh panapoly of stars and matter and energy, that it's

1036
00:56:28,680 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 2: just always been here. Does that doesn't make any sense

1037
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 2: to me.

1038
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,480
Speaker 1: How do you grapple with how big it is? I mean,

1039
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: it's so big we learn it. It's bigger every day.

1040
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: It's bigger every day.

1041
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:38,200
Speaker 1: It's crazy.

1042
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, how do you how do you wrap your mind

1043
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 2: around infinity? Because that's what the divine is, That's what's Yeah.

1044
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: I think we learned that there is no wall. I

1045
00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 1: think if you don't get to the end.

1046
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: It's not the Truman show. You don't bump.

1047
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you mean do you think that there's other

1048
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 1: intelligent life? I mean, I think at this point would

1049
00:56:54,760 --> 00:56:59,200
Speaker 1: be for me at least, it would be incredibly insane

1050
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: if there wasn't.

1051
00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 2: You'd have to be an idiot to think that there

1052
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 2: wasn't some other kind of life out there. I mean,

1053
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Ian uaes aside, like just like we're the

1054
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:11,759
Speaker 2: only one out of trillions and trillions of stars, were

1055
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:14,319
Speaker 2: the only ones that that evolved here? And also the

1056
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: other big mysteries like how why is there life on Earth?

1057
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 2: Like there's there's chemicals, like when did chemistry turn into biology?

1058
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: When exactly? And how do you have a bunch of chemicals.

1059
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 2: You've got magnesium and lithium and silicon and you know,

1060
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 2: carbon and oxygen and hydrogen and helium all kind of

1061
00:57:36,080 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 2: bouncing around to various degrees on planet Earth? When does

1062
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 2: a when does a pyramesium or an amoeba, you know?

1063
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 2: Or when when does life start? And how The best

1064
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 2: answer someone has is like, well, that must have been

1065
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 2: on a meteor orte that fell into the ocean, which

1066
00:57:53,480 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 2: is just a total non answer.

1067
00:57:55,160 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 1: Right, But they're saying that it was caused by something, right, Yeah,

1068
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: mean basically right.

1069
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 2: Caused by something. But it's one of the great It's

1070
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 2: one of the great mysteries, you know, and no one

1071
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:10,640
Speaker 2: digs in. Also, like the mystery of human consciousness, Like, yeah,

1072
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 2: we can be having this conversation and we can have

1073
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 2: memories about you know, our families, and we can feel

1074
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: things in our hearts, and we can go compose poetry

1075
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 2: and operas, and we can marvel at the beauty of

1076
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: a tree, and you know, we can come up with

1077
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 2: incredible mathematical formulas like consciousness is beautiful and ineffable and

1078
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 2: magical And did that really just happen because we have

1079
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:41,920
Speaker 2: slightly bigger brains than an ape? Is that really what

1080
00:58:42,080 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 2: consciousness is?

1081
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I always wonder and I'm sure Bill and

1082
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: I the science guy or Nila Grosse Tyson would debunk

1083
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: this somehow, but probably not definitively. If we evolve from apes,

1084
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:58,640
Speaker 1: then why are they still around? Maybe there's some good

1085
00:58:58,640 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 1: reason for that.

1086
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:02,560
Speaker 2: Also, like what about the missing link? Like there's a

1087
00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 2: bunch there's a bunch of human species that they've found right, right,

1088
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,400
Speaker 2: and there's a bunch of monkey species, but like the

1089
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:10,640
Speaker 2: whole thing of like the missing.

1090
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: Link, where's the first one of us?

1091
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,680
Speaker 2: But they haven't really found Like where is that halfway

1092
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,560
Speaker 2: between monkey. You can't say neanderthal. There's a distinctly human.

1093
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 2: They're a distinctly human species. They're dead, and there's chimpanzees

1094
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: and orangutang so they're just all around. There's a distinctly

1095
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: you know, monkey and ape species, and then what's what

1096
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: is in between? And we don't have any fossils. It's

1097
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: a little bit weird. And that gets me into what

1098
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 2: was that alien resurrection? What was the one where the no, no,

1099
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: it was the one with the bald aliens came down

1100
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 2: and like made humans Prometheus?

1101
00:59:45,720 --> 00:59:48,959
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, you wonder like, yeah, are we part

1102
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,760
Speaker 1: of the well, we part of the experiment. I mean

1103
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: think about even just on Earth. If there's some you know,

1104
00:59:54,840 --> 00:59:57,640
Speaker 1: like you go to South Georgia and there's some swamp preservation,

1105
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:01,240
Speaker 1: We're like, hey, guys, don't go tou anything in this

1106
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,760
Speaker 1: you know, preserved area, so the wildlife can be unbothered.

1107
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 1: Are we that in some way?

1108
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah? With a bunch of these ships flying around. But

1109
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,840
Speaker 2: here's the deal, Like these aliens answer me this. The

1110
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: uaes PS United Arab Emirates is U A I D

1111
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:25,360
Speaker 2: S or I U D is A. That's a that's

1112
01:00:25,360 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 2: something else. That's a yeah, UAPs, Unidentified aerial phenomenon UAPs,

1113
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: Sorry about that.

1114
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:33,919
Speaker 1: I like UFO's that was always more fun.

1115
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 2: That's just that is more fun. But if these guys

1116
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 2: wanted to not be seen, certainly they have the technology

1117
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:44,960
Speaker 2: to not be seen. So they want to be seen,

1118
01:00:45,720 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 2: and they want to show us that they have a

1119
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: technology that far surpasses anything we can even imagine, like

1120
01:00:52,560 --> 01:00:55,720
Speaker 2: instantaneously going from here to there and you know, in

1121
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 2: vast numbers and disappearing. I know you have so many

1122
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:02,520
Speaker 2: of those great stories, like so what are the alien

1123
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 2: species that are monitoring us? And I talk about this

1124
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,240
Speaker 2: a little bit in my book soul Boom. I have

1125
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:13,360
Speaker 2: a conversation among aliens that are observing planet Earth about

1126
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,760
Speaker 2: what they're seeing, because what are they seeing. They're seeing

1127
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: us destroy our own planet with climate change. They're seeing

1128
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 2: us pump unlimited amounts of carbon and methane into the atmosphere,

1129
01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 2: causing heat trapping gases to create a blanket, and extreme

1130
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: weather events that are killing more and more people and

1131
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 2: ruining crops and starting droughts and all kinds of stuff.

1132
01:01:37,600 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 2: They're seeing us do this. They're seeing us on the

1133
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: verge of war and actually fighting wars, and they're observing

1134
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 2: all that. But why do they want us to see them,

1135
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:49,040
Speaker 2: because they could just do it from behind the moon, right,

1136
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:49,959
Speaker 2: what do you think?

1137
01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, they clearly don't want us to see them all

1138
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,560
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, and maybe I wonder if we're

1139
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 1: just getting a glimpse of them where they were a

1140
01:01:58,200 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 1: moment ago.

1141
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: But they want us to have that glimp because if

1142
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 2: they didn't want us.

1143
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: To have that, they could control that, right, But totally

1144
01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 1: they can also control landing on the White House lawn too. Sure, So,

1145
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: like you know, if if there's ever like a disclosure

1146
01:02:11,200 --> 01:02:14,320
Speaker 1: moment and they revealed themselves to the whole world, they

1147
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 1: would clearly be in control of that. They would be

1148
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: holding that. It would be up to them.

1149
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 2: I have the beginning of a science fiction movie, and

1150
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 2: I want one of your fans to write it. Okay,

1151
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 2: the alien spacecraft lands on the White House lawn. The

1152
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 2: hatch opens, an alien comes out. I don't know what

1153
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:35,439
Speaker 2: it looks like. I'm look like an alien or looks

1154
01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:40,520
Speaker 2: like a humanoid and says has a translator device or

1155
01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,800
Speaker 2: something like that, so is able to speak perfect English,

1156
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: and says I am the return of Jesus Christ boy?

1157
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 2: Because Christ returning on a cloud? What if Christ? What

1158
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: if the return of Christ was an alien?

1159
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,280
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stories in the Bible that sound

1160
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:02,160
Speaker 1: a lot like euphociding. Yes, so if they're real, you

1161
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 1: wonder what those big bright lights in this guy were

1162
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: where they.

1163
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 2: It was gone? The chariot of the gods and the

1164
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: fire back? For that would be what's the craziest uap

1165
01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 2: not uae story that from high strange? What's the one

1166
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,160
Speaker 2: that like, there's one that just sticks in your head

1167
01:03:24,200 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 2: and like, shit, this is so so weird.

1168
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: I would really probably the biggest one to me, it

1169
01:03:33,600 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 1: still has to be Travis Walton. And because I met

1170
01:03:37,720 --> 01:03:40,680
Speaker 1: with this person, and you know, I was able to

1171
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 1: give him a real assessment. This guy did not want

1172
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: to be there today. He begrudgingly met to tell me

1173
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:53,160
Speaker 1: the story. He only even did it because I know

1174
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: someone who happens to know him, which is also weird.

1175
01:03:56,720 --> 01:03:58,840
Speaker 1: But he would have never talked about it because he's

1176
01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 1: over it and he was clearly living through this traumatic experience.

1177
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 1: And so you have five different people saying that they

1178
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 1: all saw the same thing, right, they all saw him

1179
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 1: get sucked up into a spaceship in the middle of

1180
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:15,960
Speaker 1: the woods in Snowflake, Arizona, and then he was missing

1181
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:21,120
Speaker 1: for five days. And so either he was hiding and

1182
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,320
Speaker 1: they were all in on it. Where was he I

1183
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: don't know, because they searched all the houses, or he

1184
01:04:27,080 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 1: was unconscious in the woods and they couldn't find him

1185
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:33,080
Speaker 1: on all the dog searches and he somehow didn't die

1186
01:04:33,120 --> 01:04:35,800
Speaker 1: out there, or he was for he's telling the truth.

1187
01:04:37,080 --> 01:04:39,160
Speaker 1: It's just one of those things where it's it's it's

1188
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: almost weirder the rational explanation for it. And he's convinced

1189
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:49,920
Speaker 1: after all these years that he was somehow injured by

1190
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:53,200
Speaker 1: this craft and they actually saved his life, is what

1191
01:04:53,240 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: he thinks. They were like, oh shit, you know, I mean,

1192
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: and I'm like, Dann, it kind of makes sense.

1193
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: What does a spleen do again? Exactly?

1194
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,880
Speaker 1: They love poking around in all the different holes.

1195
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: That's the thing about the alien abduction thing that that

1196
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 2: gets me. It's like, really.

1197
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: Like, but what do you mean really like? Is it no?

1198
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 2: Really the anal probe like you know with the pros

1199
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,920
Speaker 2: or all they need to do is like upload, uh,

1200
01:05:25,360 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 2: you know, all the biological information that they want. They

1201
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:30,000
Speaker 2: don't need to like take someone up and like open

1202
01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:30,920
Speaker 2: their anus and go.

1203
01:05:31,520 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 1: But maybe there's something just about that old school.

1204
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: But you cannot deny. You cannot deny the dozens or

1205
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 2: hundreds of military pilots around the world. Yeah, footage, that's

1206
01:05:47,840 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 2: the first hand of these sober, lifelong military guys. These

1207
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:55,600
Speaker 2: are not some like crazy hippies living in the woods

1208
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,600
Speaker 2: in Idaho. These are like they're they're like, you know,

1209
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 2: these Air Force commanders.

1210
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: Intelligent people that you trusted to operate the most advanced

1211
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: machines on earth. Those people are saying.

1212
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:10,680
Speaker 2: That one hundred so it'd be and they have and

1213
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: they have footage.

1214
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:15,640
Speaker 1: They have footage. Yeah, yeah, I think that it's those

1215
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,760
Speaker 1: stories are always credible to me, and I often wonder

1216
01:06:19,800 --> 01:06:22,600
Speaker 1: there's no way that all these stories that we've heard

1217
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: throughout generations they're all not true, Like that would be

1218
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: more insane if we've got to a level of just

1219
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:35,800
Speaker 1: intelligence as a human species where our imaginations have convinced

1220
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 1: us that we've seen UFOs and aliens before. Doesn't but

1221
01:06:40,080 --> 01:06:41,280
Speaker 1: we know it's possible.

1222
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,439
Speaker 2: But doesn't that sync up with MDes near death experiences,

1223
01:06:45,600 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: which is which is a way that you know, you

1224
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: hear it all the time, Like people dying on the

1225
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,880
Speaker 2: operating table, floating above the table, see the doctors working

1226
01:06:56,920 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: on them, are drawn into the light. There's some loved

1227
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:04,000
Speaker 2: ones with them, there's some kind of tunnel, there's some

1228
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: kind of vague understanding that they're they're able to kind

1229
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 2: of witness their whole life more like on a tapestry

1230
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 2: rather than sequentially. So they're a little bit outside of

1231
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 2: time and they're kind of called there, and they're called back,

1232
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 2: and they choose to kind of come back, Like thousands,

1233
01:07:20,160 --> 01:07:24,240
Speaker 2: tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands every culture in the world, Like,

1234
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: are we really having a collective like dream?

1235
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:31,040
Speaker 1: Like that's what I'm saying. That would be more bizarre

1236
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:31,320
Speaker 1: to me.

1237
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: You know what Okam's razor is, which is like the

1238
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,640
Speaker 2: simplest answer is usually the right one or the most correct.

1239
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 2: I mean, I know the phrase the simplest answer is

1240
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 2: that near death experiences are true, that that's what happens

1241
01:07:44,040 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: when we die, We're going into some kind of journey

1242
01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 2: to life. That's a simpler answer than to say, hundreds

1243
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: of thousands of people around the world are having the

1244
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,800
Speaker 2: same weird illusory dreams.

1245
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:59,480
Speaker 1: That's not about their data, right, Yeah. I mean I

1246
01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: even feel that sometimes about uh like deja vu. Ever

1247
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:06,480
Speaker 1: had a really good one ton where you're just like, hey,

1248
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 1: this is not possible.

1249
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 2: When, especially when I was younger, I had deja vu

1250
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: all the time, You're about to like he's about to

1251
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 2: do this, and you're gonna, yeah.

1252
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,320
Speaker 1: What's up with that? Yeah? It makes it. It's convincing

1253
01:08:16,320 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: when you if you have a good one.

1254
01:08:17,479 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah.

1255
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:23,240
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that, you know, if we're

1256
01:08:23,240 --> 01:08:26,719
Speaker 1: trying to get somewhere like as far as Pluto or something,

1257
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 1: we're not gonna get there efficiently by some combustible engine.

1258
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:37,600
Speaker 1: I think that somewhere in time and other realms or dimensions,

1259
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: whatever it is.

1260
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 2: We have to figure out how to We've got to

1261
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,960
Speaker 2: figure out how to navigate time, because that's uh. And

1262
01:08:44,200 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 2: I love why. I love the movie interstell.

1263
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,519
Speaker 1: Or something I should watch. I watched it last night again.

1264
01:08:47,720 --> 01:08:49,639
Speaker 1: What it holds up? Yeah? It's good.

1265
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:53,000
Speaker 2: Oh man, rewatch I've seen it like three times, but

1266
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 2: the last time it's been at least five or six years.

1267
01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,599
Speaker 2: I love that movie. But we have to figure out

1268
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 2: how to navigate time and some some really unique way.

1269
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:03,639
Speaker 2: Otherwise interstellar travel is just not possible.

1270
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,479
Speaker 1: It's not possible. Yeah, we're not able to get there

1271
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:06,240
Speaker 1: the way.

1272
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 2: We have to go beyond the speed of light. Forget

1273
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:09,759
Speaker 2: the speed of light.

1274
01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 1: Or just skip that stuff.

1275
01:09:11,400 --> 01:09:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, skip that.

1276
01:09:12,200 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 1: Maybe it's maybe far away is actually really close, Like

1277
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:18,599
Speaker 1: that's what it is, right so far away, but it's

1278
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 1: actually just right here on Maybe it's all an illusion,

1279
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: maybe exactly right. You have a play around with AI,

1280
01:09:25,360 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: like ever ask it questions or anything.

1281
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: Vaguely, Yeah, not so much.

1282
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 1: I haven't gone there too much ever gotten anywhere.

1283
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:37,000
Speaker 2: Fun I like to have the AI tell jokes in

1284
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: the style of a lot of my comedian friends, and

1285
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 2: then I send them those jokes.

1286
01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:43,160
Speaker 1: It's kind of funny that they can do that.

1287
01:09:43,400 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing.

1288
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:46,840
Speaker 1: I put it to the test just to see the

1289
01:09:46,880 --> 01:09:48,200
Speaker 1: other day. I was like, I don't even if it'll

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Speaker 1: do this. I was like, right, this like paragraph in

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Speaker 1: the way that Payne Lindsay would say it in his

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Speaker 1: new true crime podcast. Oh nice, And it did it.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, holy shit, that's pretty and it

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Speaker 1: was good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And this is only the beginning of scratching the

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Speaker 2: surface of the AI like oh, five years from now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And the thing is it's here to stay now.

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Speaker 1: It's there's no it's like the Internet. It's like wishing

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Speaker 1: that the Internet would go away.

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Speaker 2: First, that social media would go away.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's here too late. Well, before I let

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Speaker 1: you go, I want to show you one funny thing

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Speaker 1: actually has to do with AI. So my friend he's

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Speaker 1: an engineer at Tenderfoot and he does a lot all

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Speaker 1: the sound design for radio rental and high strange. He's

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Speaker 1: really hip on all the new things. So there's software

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Speaker 1: now that can you know, mimic your voice? Oh no,

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Speaker 1: and so, and it's just learning from all that's out

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Speaker 1: there on the internet. So people like myself or.

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Speaker 2: Did it do Rain Wilson's voice?

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Speaker 1: I'll have him do it, but he didn't mind. I

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Speaker 1: want to see if you can, oh man, you can. Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is uh. I mean it's a little rowbody, but

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Speaker 1: not by much. You're like, okay, maybe you could see

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Speaker 1: how in like a year it would be out of control.

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Speaker 1: And there'll be some I'll have to say, Hey, that

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Speaker 1: wasn't really me that said that really fucked up thing. Right,

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Speaker 1: it'll be that which is like a deep fake of audio. Scary, right, Okay,

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Speaker 1: here we go.

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Speaker 5: Greetings fellow truth seekers, and welcome back to Up and Vanished,

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Speaker 5: the podcast where we dive deep into the shadows of

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Speaker 5: cold cases. I'm your host Payne, but before we jump in,

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Speaker 5: I want to share a message from our partner spot

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Speaker 5: pet Insurance.

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Speaker 1: So I never said any of those words. I've never,

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Speaker 1: I never. I didn't even give it anything.

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Speaker 2: That's crazy.

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Speaker 1: Greetings fellow truth seekers.

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Speaker 5: Schelde Verte Up and Vanished Podcast.

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Speaker 2: All of a sudden, you're fluent in French.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I learned it real fast.

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Speaker 2: Damn. Which one is that?

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Speaker 1: I need to ask Cooper what it is. I'll text

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Speaker 1: it to you. But he just blindly sent me like

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Speaker 1: this in four languages, and I was like, what the

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Speaker 1: hell is going on? And it hurt my brain? But

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Speaker 1: I gave it nothing. I didn't. I never said these words.

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Speaker 1: And it's pretty close. Yeah. Yeah, especially if you don't

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Speaker 1: know me, you would just say, yeah, that's pain, right,

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Speaker 1: So I bet you yours is prob is Really that's scary.

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Speaker 2: That's absolutely scary.

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Speaker 1: Yes, there'll be a moment where someone's getting I imagine

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Speaker 1: to like an audio that didn't.

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Speaker 2: But I imagine too. Like let's say that I was

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Speaker 2: sued and I was totally bankrupt, and some company came

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Speaker 2: and said, hey, for a million bucks, we want your

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Speaker 2: likeness and your voice. We get to do whatever the

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Speaker 2: hell we want to do with it. You sign it away,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, screw it. Fine, they own this and

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Speaker 2: they own this voice. And then all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: Rain Wilson is in like food commercials, Rain Wilson is

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Speaker 2: in porn. Rain Wilson is in you know, narrated.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to do that. You didn't get around the

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Speaker 1: jagr in your career.

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Speaker 2: Cat food and porn. But you know, I'm that could

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Speaker 2: happen too.

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Speaker 1: Oh totally, yeah, I mean that's where that's what they

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Speaker 1: want to do. It wasn't the writer's strike a little

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Speaker 1: bit about that. There were some there were some aspects

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Speaker 1: and the tinge of that where like they can start,

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Speaker 1: you know, And I don't think that. I think the

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Speaker 1: human touch is always going to be a step ahead

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Speaker 1: of AI in creativity, Yeah, you know, because it's always

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Speaker 1: pulling from what we've already done. Yeah, but the recreating

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Speaker 1: of a voice.

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Speaker 2: But you should do in a in one of your

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Speaker 2: pain Lindency podcasts. You should you know, you do all

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Speaker 2: the you do the intro, and you do a bunch

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Speaker 2: of interstecial interstitials. Make one of them AI and have

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Speaker 2: people try and guess which one is the AI.

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Speaker 1: Out of AI.

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Speaker 5: Pain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just like I squeeze in one segment of AI. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I bet you wouldn't mild it like an ad for

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Speaker 1: better help or something like that. That's what I really

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Speaker 1: want it for. Yeah. Second, stop reading these day and

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Speaker 1: the hats. Oh I said it. I said it perfectly.

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Speaker 1: Actually you want to redo it? You got it? That's fine. Yeah, Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks man, it's been fun. I appreciate catching.

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Speaker 2: Up pain, love what you do. Happy to be here

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Speaker 2: with you. Great conversation.

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Speaker 1: Well I appreciate a manspit of last Thanks man, Yeah sure. Peace.

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Speaker 3: Talking to Death is a production of Tenderfoot TV and

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Speaker 3: iHeart Podcasts, created and hosted by Payne Lindsay. For Tenderfoot TV,

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Speaker 3: executive producers are Payne Lindsay and Donald Albright. Co executive

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Speaker 3: producer is Mike Rooney. For iHeart Podcasts, executive producers are

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Speaker 3: Matt Frederick.

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Speaker 1: And Alex Williams.

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Speaker 3: With original music by Makeup and Vanity Set. Additional production

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Speaker 3: by Mike Rooney, Dylan Harrington, Sean Nurney, Dayton Cole, and

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Speaker 3: Gustav Wilde for Coohedo. Production support by Tracy Kaplan, Mara Davis,

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Speaker 3: and Trevor Young. Mixing and mastering by Cooper Skinner and

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Speaker 3: Dayton Cole. Our cover art was created by Rob Sheridan.

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Speaker 3: Check out our website Talking to Death podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: the full episodes. I'm sleep deprived, my stomach's empty, and

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Speaker 1: every breath I take feels like a conscious effort. I've

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Speaker 1: been like this for days now, disoriented and to put

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Speaker 1: it bluntly, scared out of my mind. Every sound, every

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Speaker 1: movement on this plane seems amplified. My surroundings feel surreal,

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Speaker 1: like I'm watching myself in third person. My mind just

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Speaker 1: can't keep up with the pace of reality. I've been

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Speaker 1: on four different flights in the last eighteen hours, small

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Speaker 1: rickety planes in the remote region of northern Alaska. Thanks

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